I love going back to old StarlordD vids and seeing what was proven right and what was wrong. Somehow, even after the speculation is ended by new quests, the vids are still fun.
It would be very devastating for the Grinner empire if the Tenno used Cressa Tal´s DNA (leader of the steel meridian) to contaminate a batch of grinner soldiers before they are created. If they find a cloning facility (or more) they just need to change the usual DNA sample with Cressa Tal´s sample and then the next wave of clones would be born with the defective DNA which means they are able to rebel.
Takezo Kimura but grineer don't use gene samples for cloning, they melt organism that they want to clone, so we will have to melt her, plus the clones will be weaker than previous clones and grineer kill every clone that doesn't obey the twin queens, except rare situations
olodemolo MCAroon But why do you think clones are made anyhow? By copying someone else’s genetic template, and producing like individuals en masse. Take how we breed Kubrow and Kavat for example; or how about the clone troopers from Star Wars? The Grineer Empire is no different.
i think if this game had any basis in reality the grineer would have been extinct a long time ago check your stats on how many grineer youve killed and multiply by the entire player base
I mean…the whole „all Warframes in our(players) possession are controlled by a Tenno, who are energy beings“ kinda sorta was right. We’re literally void demons, possessing the bodies of Warframes like surrogates
On Darvo's emblems, he has Emblems for both Beecloud and Luksor, I took to imply a potential alliance in the two factions. They appear a lot side-by-side, as you mentioned, and it seemed to me that the operations of the two factions that you mentioned in your Corpus WWT might make them natural close - or, at least, that they joint-operate the gas-harvesting foundries around Jupiter. Could be Darvo, like Alad, was or was intended to act as a representative between these two - Frohd DID want him to take a seat on the Board, after all, potentially one opened by Alad's "demise"? A part of me wants to say that Alad and Frohd Bek MIGHT even be related. After all, Frohd was very certain that Alad's wealth would be given to him after he was gone, and what better way is there for a claim such as that then by having blood relation? Wealth passed from one deceased family member to another living one.
+Morec0 I like to think ALL Corpus ships have mercantile purposes, and each are simply different variations of the ships used to haul different sized loads. Also like to think they're ALL armed to the teeth - like 14th Century Merchant Vessels were in order to stave off pirates.
+Morec0 Not sure about Prisma Crystals being crystallized Void energy themselves, given their description talks about the Prisma crystals being baptized in the energy of the Void - which suggests to me a different origin for the crystals themselves. The idea of Void energies being toxic to non-Tenno is a concept I love, though, it helps keep the idea of the Warframe as a sort of reverse-hazmat suit alive.
+Morec0 I try to stay away from terraforming because, even though it's most certainly confirmed, a LOT of the tilesets in Warframe are still placeholder-worthy (i.e. snow on Venus) and it's difficult to talk about such a subject without being able to clearly define what can stay and what has to go.
+Morec0 That's definitely a solid theory on the Prisma. I tend to lean on them requiring Void to form given Baro's occupation, but it's just as likely he brings Prisma in from outside the Void and then sells them once they've been exposed.
What we know The Balo Famordians (The Grinner Battlecruiser that was introduced to us in the Archwing quest and apper in the Events where we have to stop it from Destroying the 3 Relay stations)
In any case the grineers are like the clone troopers originally breed for combat but those that are defected are now part of steel meridians or kabor grineer that choose to flee the system to begin somewhere else
Note on the "Cantalouper" ships - the living quarters would probably be easily ejected in an emergency, to protect those on board from a Grineer boarding pod attack such as the one depicted in the Anti Moa imprint.
I'd love to have a grinder defector stay in the orbiter, changing the personal quarters to a makeshift room and have him occasionally clean up, or like mess with the bobbles in the ship and create random things in the boundary etc, that would be cool
i have theory that umbras are warframe that have no operator, we know form the second dream quest warframes can do actions on their own without the operator, but we don't know i they can just dosimple actions on their own (like your warframe pulled the war out of his/her chest) or even operate without operator.
@Sard Lorlade this theory is proven correct, umbra can fight without an operator... and this was confirmed with sacrifice... which was released like 5 months ago... it legit is an update about umbra
I always found Corpus ships really cool and impressive, they kind of draw your eye, when you're sitting in the Liset. Also, kind of interested if the battle over Europa will become a lore point, or an Event, sorta like the Gradivus Dilemma.
Another small note I like to make on the "tenno are energy theory" is that, I believe Vor says during the "Vor's Prize" or during his boss fight some time, something along the lines of, "The Tenno are the power/energy, not their Frames." (I couldn't find the exact quote).
+Samuel King no they arnt energy beings if you think im lying look at these two japanese posters for warframe i0.cy.com/wf/news/20150324/news4.jpg it shows excalibur battle damaged you can obviously see human skin behind the gashes in excaliburs suit
Grail W LMAO you need to be baiting me rn. 1. It's Chinese posters. 2. DE themselves have said that whatever are on those posters is NOT CANON. Meaning DE didn't approve of those, that might just be the Chinese lore, because in China it's kind of taboo that you be playing something other than human or something like that If I recall it correctly.
You seem to have confused the "ends" of the Plinth-class ships. The end with the cargo containers is the front, as seen at 3:03, while the end with the bit that juts down and out is the rear. That section extended downward at the rear is most likely the engines and thrusters, _not_ a command bridge.
As cool as it may be to get one of those Umbra in my hands, I think having Umbra as new Tenno enemy might be cool. Umbra enemies would work similarly to stalkers, but with more varieties and random Warframe type.
I'd say that the precepts are by the cephalons themselves, because Ordis is able to defy one., and agnowledge that he is doing so- Hence him saying; "To hell with Precept 44, get out of there!" Just what I think tho.
I feel like the Umbra frames are a combination of your idea, the few who refused the Second Dream, and the Stalker Lore entry, which I am sure that you are aware of. I believe that the Umbra Tenno, are the high guards, and considering in U18 there will be quests, and lore for the Lotus, Stalker and Orokin Moon, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that the Umbra are the Warframes which were High Guards of the Orokin, perhaps some of the outstanding Tenno, who had performed great acts of honour during the war. Perhaps when the older frames, that were sent into the vault, as we see it, were taken to the Vault on the Moon, to be outfitted with better Orokin technology, perhaps referring to the Dark side of the moon, constantly freezing, and covered in shadow, in contrast to the bright, white light of purity, that the Orokin are believed to be, by the Corpus, and even themselves, a lot of this is just speculation, but DE does love their Metaphors. What makes you believe the Umbra warframes do not have anything to do with the idea of the Tenno High Guard, or Tenno Council, made present in the Stalker lore entry? It would make sense, considering the recent expansion of this area of lore, and with the Sentient making a return, perhaps these original warriors, who displayed honour, in destroying the Sentient will return?
Could be a really big company. I was going to joke that they sponsor the Corpus and so they get advertised like on a billboard, but given how the Corpus are a very economically focused lot, I might be onto something.
i just found your channel and instantly watched everything on it, keep up the amazing work x) I really hope they contact you so you can come up with the lore for the game xD
As always, deep and interesting speculation. I wonder what sense you make of vandal and wraith equipment. where does it come from? to what purpose it's created? who creates and who is supposed to have access to it? Though there seems to be an obvious distinction between vandal and wraith: both are superior grade versions of corpus and grineer equipment respectively, you never see any enemy unit using them so that leads to the question: are these items fashioned by the enemy factions to reward "contracted" tenno? If so why would these factions not use this superior grade equipment themselves?
That's an interesting theory on Umbra you have there, i love it. Though, i would use different wording. Not warframes choose to embrace their "sins", but Tenno who is inside them.
1. Luxor was originally an ancient Egyptian City, and the Obelisk was first an ancient Egyptian construction. I think you're barking up the wrong tree here with the Plinth and the Cantilever - I'm willing to bet they've got slightly ancient Egyptian names as well. 2.Maybe Void Vor isn't really Vor anymore? I was always of the mind that the Janus Key somehow possessed him and is using him as a mouthpiece. No idea why.
+Bob Joe I guess the real Vor is dead. The void Vor we met is just Janus Key manifest itself into solid shape, that is Vor. Void VOr even said that he can't be killed because he is energy.
How do you find out what the corpus ship classes are called? I only knew the ashlar transports from lotus' dialogue and the obelisk class from words on them in archwing missions and whatnot but the other 2? I feel sorta ashamed I didn't know lol
+StallordD you WHAT?! Well I guess technically your description of the ashlar class wasn't complete BS, but I assumed the lotus was talking about the Rovers being ashlar transports... Idk
+StallordD you might want to put up a disclaimer/caption or something that you're making stuff up... For your sake. The haters are coming. I just sort of assumed all your videos are based on actual evidence in the game but now I don't know how to feel.
If umbra are tenno that hide in the shadows maybe the wheel introduced in the war within quest influences if you can get umbra in the umbra quest in 2018
from what I understood, its a tenno that took part in the Orokin massacre and didn't cared about the aftermath (unlike "us", who vanished to the Second Dream); sort of like the anti-stalker.
I just don't want Venus, Neptune and Pluto to have pretty much the exact same tileset/landscape as they currently do. More unique tilesets like Europa for Corpus please. Pretty much every Grineer planet/tileset has a unique aesthetic.
In regards to the umbra theory, would this explain Ordis's line in regards to "Do not lift the veil. Do not split the dream." and in the Natah quest, Lotus admits to stowing the Tenno away in the Second Dream because she knew that if she crossed over she would be infertile and wanted something to call her children. So is where we are now the "second dream", or the Void, or something completely different that may be coming in U18 with the supposed Orokin Moon tileset?
i have found in the wiki lore that tenno rebelled against the orokin because of how they were created or something similar. If this is true ( i dont know if i should trust the wikia) maybe the umbra frames are those who stayed loyal to the orokin, forced to hide in the shadows from the other tenno
Warframe’s have to be fitted with something called a “Transference Bolt” for obvious reasons, so maybe we’re thinking too hard about this. Maybe Umbral Warframe’s are simply the caste of Warframe’s that Ballas made before or after making the Primes, weapons with sentience that the Orokin sought to control in all their idiocy. Warframe’s who could move and operate without the need of the “Void Demons” would make some sense as an alternative to use of the Zariman kids, who most of the Orokin likely hated. It would also make sense as to why Ballas wanted Umbra dead. Maybe he is the last operational Umbral frame.
Maybe Prisma is refined Argon ... or very old Argon Cristals refined by the void energies and high levels of radiation to form much unlike Argon Cristals a much more stable Multicristaline structure. Like certain cristals it only chips and not completely breaks. And since its likely that Argon cristals can be used to channel void energies Prima should be better, and since more stable than Argon could be used to "Enchance" the Performance of any Object with it.
on the tenno are energy theory, assuming that the updating of the game is also time passing in the warframe universe, it would be imposible that tenno are energy becouse in an earlyer version of warframe in the defence missions with cryopods was the glass of the cryopod transparent, showing us a kind of shrimpled gray tenno face without warframe, leaving me to beleave that the tenno are a completely seperate species from the sentients, orokin, grineer, humans and corpus and that "the decentants of the orokin" refers to a social connection connection instead of a genetical connection
+istasenkris In the Tenno as energy theory, Tenno and Warframes are different. A Tenno controls a Warframe from a remote location, most likely the moon.
DoctorCyber Mini games they are kuria u scan em using codex i always found em in random locations of mars on getting all the scans u get the glyph nd this entry.there are lots of scans nd u havent completed myselfXD
Dauragin primes are the frames made by orokin and the regular ones are the more recent ones. Tenno or whoever makes/made the more recent frames are ashamed of how the orokin were and didint want to show any similarities between the frames, even if it meant they were worse.
Dauragin prime frames were the original models while the normal ones were built based off of the originals design, I’d imagine the orokin didn’t mass produce the prime ones because they were too “expensive” and resource heavy. That or the Tenno were forced inside of the prime frames before transference was a thing, and I’m guessing the copies were more suited for transference but in exchange they were less powerful.
could you maybe make one all about how in TWW the worm queen calls you a "infested puppet" like what that means and if the warframes have infested inside them or something like that
one question: who are the humans we see in our repeaters? are they rebell grineer or civilian tenno? that migth answer if whe are human, alive, infested, energy or that we are only the warframe itself and theres a dead guy inside.
+Mike A Repeaters? What? Civilians are human, such as the workers on relays. Rescue targets are also human. If you mean the things in the cryopods, it's unsure. Probably a "base" frame, that specific types of frames can be crafted around.
i think the player tenno is infected, and his mutation can change form, thats why we can use warframes of different shape, but we arent from the firsts, the firsts are the "blueprint", then the orokin made like copy paste but the clonation doesnt work well so we are amorphs
+Miguel Ignacio Arriagada Aravena Tenno aren't infected with virus, but with void energy, warframe is just a suit that channels that energy into specific power. Tenno without warframe also can channel the energy into power, like in Rhino codex. I don't really understand the second sentence, but I guess you're talking about warframe is a clone, right? Well... the suit is just factory made suit, just like modern day armor is just factory made. But the tenno is not a clone. They are different people with different personality. The first refugee from the void are given prime version of the warframes of its type. The regular warframes are copy-paste of prime, minus the gold part or the decorations, simplistic, industrial grade suit. Like in Loki's leg "Tenno Model 2100N serial 148-H", indicated that regular warframes are made in a factory.
Ok, the theory I throw up was full of speculation and I think I putted a lot of my imagination on it. My problem is, if the void refugees already came with some "powers" how "we" can change them changing warframes. (Sorry english is not ny native)
Miguel Ignacio Arriagada Aravena my guess is we have two gender tenno of ourselves, a male and female. Male goes to male warframe, female goes to female.
I think umbras are the original frames. Ballas states that the Orokin took their best, both willing and not...and infected them with the virus. We see umbra's memories. He was a high ranking Dax soldier. A very high ranking one, to the level of knowing Ballas personally and having portraits of him on the walls of his villa. This is speculation ofc, but what if the Orokin took the best soldiers in their domains...infected them... and cloned whatever was the result. The best Dax soldier of the orokin empire would yield the Excalibur frame... Excalibur Umbra, to be more exact..which then went out of control...and after putting it down, the Orokin cloned it with more genetic magic , resulting the Excalibur Prime, which the Tenno used in the First War. Infect the best hand to hand combatant in the empire and you get Atlas Umbra... which you then slightly modify and make Atlas Prime. Ember might just have been a psychotic arsonist rotting in an Orokin jail and when offered the techocyte virus, she agreed to be experimented on and transformed. Mag might have been a physicist...Saryn a botanist... So on and so forth with every frame. Literally taking the best of the empire in their respective fields, in an attempt to create the ultimate weapons. This doesnt sound so far fetched, considering that the Orokin were willing to sacrifice entire planets in order to win the First War. The powers that the frames have are clearly not comming from the tenno. Otherwise, we would be able to use them when transferring out of our frames. The abilities come from the frames and the tenno is like a battery that powers them through transference.
Cantilever is 'Leever' otherwise it'd have to be spelt 'Cantilevver'. A lever has a long 'e' meaning that 'e' sounds like it does in the alphabet. Short vowels are those whose sounds are different to how they sound in the alphabet. That's why 'travelling' for instance is spelt with two 'l's otherwise it is pronunced, 'traveeling' with the 'e' becoming long - but nobody obviously says it that way.
Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through it's Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn it's simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.
waittt, alad v in second dream said: last time u came into contact with sentients u killed whole civilization...so this means sentients used us to kill orokin probably with energy cuz when u channel the enemies u killed imidatley disentegrate (sry for grammar) with energy, so we could have killed them without giving them time to regenerate i suppose also, therr are couple of orokin alive, alad v and teshin ,im not sure of teshin, so in conclusion umbras are probably still controled by sentients, mabey?
+Balmux The Tenno follow the Orders of the Lotus without a second thought. lotus ordered the Tenno to slaughter the Orokin. Teshin said something similiar about the Lotus. but after that "accident" we could choose what we can do. Thats the Invasions
Here's what happened: Orokin, huge, golden powerful civilization, creates something to help them. This something is called Sentients, used to terraform planets. Sentients rebel against their masters. Somewhere a ship full of children called Zariman, gets fucked by the void and its energy. Orokin used tenno and made suits for them, heavily implied that it is made of infested tissue, which the tenno can control in a certain way. Lotus controls the tenno, a female sentient who lost her fertility. Orders the tenno around. Tenno kills sentients, then kill orokin, then she should kill them, but gets a motherly love for the tenno, and refuses.
Hey I think that Ordis is Jordas THEY ARE THE SAME CEPHALON And If you looked at Ordis's 3D Model he looks that he is Broken... and If Jordas And Ordis SAME and Related To Infested ... WTF IS THAT THING IN MA SHIP ?????
There is almost nothing in this video that has been usurped by new information, except for the little bit about the Tenno. I have no idea what you're referring to.
+MrThaddeusRex That's my natural speaking voice. I have a lot of something called "vocal fry" that takes a lot of concentration to mitigate even slightly, like I tried to in these. But at least now I know I was justified in my fears of having a piece of shit narration voice, so it further reinforces my decision to stop these for good.
I love going back to old StarlordD vids and seeing what was proven right and what was wrong. Somehow, even after the speculation is ended by new quests, the vids are still fun.
It would be very devastating for the Grinner empire if the Tenno used Cressa Tal´s DNA (leader of the steel meridian) to contaminate a batch of grinner soldiers before they are created. If they find a cloning facility (or more) they just need to change the usual DNA sample with Cressa Tal´s sample and then the next wave of clones would be born with the defective DNA which means they are able to rebel.
Takezo Kimura but grineer don't use gene samples for cloning, they melt organism that they want to clone, so we will have to melt her, plus the clones will be weaker than previous clones and grineer kill every clone that doesn't obey the twin queens, except rare situations
olodemolo MCAroon
But why do you think clones are made anyhow? By copying someone else’s genetic template, and producing like individuals en masse. Take how we breed Kubrow and Kavat for example; or how about the clone troopers from Star Wars? The Grineer Empire is no different.
John Baxter but grineer use the method of melting down organism to get a sample, in grineer sealab (on uranus) you see the process.
@@j.baxter4265 They don't copy the genetic code properly they melt them down like he said
i think if this game had any basis in reality the grineer would have been extinct a long time ago check your stats on how many grineer youve killed and multiply by the entire player base
Corpus Obelisk ships just look like giant flying guns.
Maybe they are?
Flying kitgun
@@FireFly-kz2te they in fact are
Coming on this video in 2018. its interesting to hear the crazy threories people had back before the Second Dream
I mean…the whole „all Warframes in our(players) possession are controlled by a Tenno, who are energy beings“ kinda sorta was right. We’re literally void demons, possessing the bodies of Warframes like surrogates
I find it odd that Umbra, at least conceptually, has been known of since before the second dream came out.
same
I come from the future to say that this week we will finally know what the Umbra is all about =D
6:39 lets be honest, when we first saw the Venus tundra, we all thought it was really weird considering how real life Venus is far from a tundra.
That Umbra theory would be awesome! I'm so pumped for U18, so many questions might be answered! Great videos by the way!
On Darvo's emblems, he has Emblems for both Beecloud and Luksor, I took to imply a potential alliance in the two factions. They appear a lot side-by-side, as you mentioned, and it seemed to me that the operations of the two factions that you mentioned in your Corpus WWT might make them natural close - or, at least, that they joint-operate the gas-harvesting foundries around Jupiter.
Could be Darvo, like Alad, was or was intended to act as a representative between these two - Frohd DID want him to take a seat on the Board, after all, potentially one opened by Alad's "demise"?
A part of me wants to say that Alad and Frohd Bek MIGHT even be related. After all, Frohd was very certain that Alad's wealth would be given to him after he was gone, and what better way is there for a claim such as that then by having blood relation? Wealth passed from one deceased family member to another living one.
+Morec0 I like to think ALL Corpus ships have mercantile purposes, and each are simply different variations of the ships used to haul different sized loads. Also like to think they're ALL armed to the teeth - like 14th Century Merchant Vessels were in order to stave off pirates.
+Morec0 Not sure about Prisma Crystals being crystallized Void energy themselves, given their description talks about the Prisma crystals being baptized in the energy of the Void - which suggests to me a different origin for the crystals themselves. The idea of Void energies being toxic to non-Tenno is a concept I love, though, it helps keep the idea of the Warframe as a sort of reverse-hazmat suit alive.
+Morec0 I try to stay away from terraforming because, even though it's most certainly confirmed, a LOT of the tilesets in Warframe are still placeholder-worthy (i.e. snow on Venus) and it's difficult to talk about such a subject without being able to clearly define what can stay and what has to go.
+Morec0 Iiiiiiiinteresting idea on the Umbras... Very interesting...
+Morec0 That's definitely a solid theory on the Prisma. I tend to lean on them requiring Void to form given Baro's occupation, but it's just as likely he brings Prisma in from outside the Void and then sells them once they've been exposed.
2018 and we finally know what Umbra is. Still interesting to look back.
Im planning on getting back to warframe after binge watching your lore vids. Thanks man, you reminded me how awesome the game is.
Imagine if later when codename railjack is released we can travel to the void and collect prisms ourselves
What we know The Balo Famordians (The Grinner Battlecruiser that was introduced to us in the Archwing quest and apper in the Events where we have to stop it from Destroying the 3 Relay stations)
In any case the grineers are like the clone troopers originally breed for combat but those that are defected are now part of steel meridians or kabor grineer that choose to flee the system to begin somewhere else
Note on the "Cantalouper" ships - the living quarters would probably be easily ejected in an emergency, to protect those on board from a Grineer boarding pod attack such as the one depicted in the Anti Moa imprint.
I'd love to have a grinder defector stay in the orbiter, changing the personal quarters to a makeshift room and have him occasionally clean up, or like mess with the bobbles in the ship and create random things in the boundary etc, that would be cool
i have theory that umbras are warframe that have no operator, we know form the second dream quest warframes can do actions on their own without the operator, but we don't know i they can just dosimple actions on their own (like your warframe pulled the war out of his/her chest) or even operate without operator.
nice theory high five
@Sard Lorlade this theory is proven correct, umbra can fight without an operator... and this was confirmed with sacrifice... which was released like 5 months ago... it legit is an update about umbra
@@rexthakum6685 /woosh
they're controlled by void energy?
So it can be a operators stand if it wants to
I always found Corpus ships really cool and impressive, they kind of draw your eye, when you're sitting in the Liset. Also, kind of interested if the battle over Europa will become a lore point, or an Event, sorta like the Gradivus Dilemma.
they are impressive, mostly because of how huge they are. Some say them being about 10k + long
Another small note I like to make on the "tenno are energy theory" is that, I believe Vor says during the "Vor's Prize" or during his boss fight some time, something along the lines of, "The Tenno are the power/energy, not their Frames." (I couldn't find the exact quote).
+Samuel King no they arnt energy beings if you think im lying look at these two japanese posters for warframe i0.cy.com/wf/news/20150324/news4.jpg it shows excalibur battle damaged you can obviously see human skin behind the gashes in excaliburs suit
Grail W LMAO you need to be baiting me rn. 1. It's Chinese posters. 2. DE themselves have said that whatever are on those posters is NOT CANON. Meaning DE didn't approve of those, that might just be the Chinese lore, because in China it's kind of taboo that you be playing something other than human or something like that If I recall it correctly.
i think vor refers to the tenno being the ones who comtrol the void energy the warframe uses
You seem to have confused the "ends" of the Plinth-class ships. The end with the cargo containers is the front, as seen at 3:03, while the end with the bit that juts down and out is the rear. That section extended downward at the rear is most likely the engines and thrusters, _not_ a command bridge.
As cool as it may be to get one of those Umbra in my hands, I think having Umbra as new Tenno enemy might be cool. Umbra enemies would work similarly to stalkers, but with more varieties and random Warframe type.
I'd say that the precepts are by the cephalons themselves, because Ordis is able to defy one., and agnowledge that he is doing so- Hence him saying; "To hell with Precept 44, get out of there!"
Just what I think tho.
I feel like the Umbra frames are a combination of your idea, the few who refused the Second Dream, and the Stalker Lore entry, which I am sure that you are aware of. I believe that the Umbra Tenno, are the high guards, and considering in U18 there will be quests, and lore for the Lotus, Stalker and Orokin Moon, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that the Umbra are the Warframes which were High Guards of the Orokin, perhaps some of the outstanding Tenno, who had performed great acts of honour during the war. Perhaps when the older frames, that were sent into the vault, as we see it, were taken to the Vault on the Moon, to be outfitted with better Orokin technology, perhaps referring to the Dark side of the moon, constantly freezing, and covered in shadow, in contrast to the bright, white light of purity, that the Orokin are believed to be, by the Corpus, and even themselves, a lot of this is just speculation, but DE does love their Metaphors.
What makes you believe the Umbra warframes do not have anything to do with the idea of the Tenno High Guard, or Tenno Council, made present in the Stalker lore entry? It would make sense, considering the recent expansion of this area of lore, and with the Sentient making a return, perhaps these original warriors, who displayed honour, in destroying the Sentient will return?
+Samuel King Why do u always have so many comments everytime -.-
Im Vin I HAVE A LOT TO SAY
keep it in one comment and say it in one go -.-
Im Vin Easier said than done, it already has more than 28 lines, in that one comment.
I do long articles in forums u know its easy just to write 28 lines or even 50
these videos are amazing. good work and solid thoughts
Maybe the emblem is just a cloth branding? Like Adidas having it's name and it's symbol on anything.
Just saying.
But then why would it be on walls and security hardware/software?
Could be a really big company. I was going to joke that they sponsor the Corpus and so they get advertised like on a billboard, but given how the Corpus are a very economically focused lot, I might be onto something.
Alad-idas pfffff
love your lore videos, way better then DK's imo, you got a prefect voice for this as well, subed without a doubt
I now want those Umbra frames. NOW!
Yeah
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Stallord needs to make more of this
Your Umbra theory might be spot on, as Steve himself conformed, that Umbra are the "darker counterparts of the primes".
i just found your channel and instantly watched everything on it, keep up the amazing work x)
I really hope they contact you so you can come up with the lore for the game xD
Sheephead how!?! It takes me hours to watch all of his content.
How did you do it in an instant?
I find these old lore videos very interesting, oh how wrong you were ;p
😢 I prefer his perspective the old days were fun
i swear i saw some corpus prodmen dropping of the first ship you talked about
The umbra idea is cool in that of the first dream
The umbra theory is really nice! o7
As always, deep and interesting speculation. I wonder what sense you make of vandal and wraith equipment. where does it come from? to what purpose it's created? who creates and who is supposed to have access to it? Though there seems to be an obvious distinction between vandal and wraith: both are superior grade versions of corpus and grineer equipment respectively, you never see any enemy unit using them so that leads to the question: are these items fashioned by the enemy factions to reward "contracted" tenno? If so why would these factions not use this superior grade equipment themselves?
That's an interesting theory on Umbra you have there, i love it.
Though, i would use different wording. Not warframes choose to embrace their "sins", but Tenno who is inside them.
1. Luxor was originally an ancient Egyptian City, and the Obelisk was first an ancient Egyptian construction. I think you're barking up the wrong tree here with the Plinth and the Cantilever - I'm willing to bet they've got slightly ancient Egyptian names as well.
2.Maybe Void Vor isn't really Vor anymore? I was always of the mind that the Janus Key somehow possessed him and is using him as a mouthpiece. No idea why.
+Bob Joe I guess the real Vor is dead. The void Vor we met is just Janus Key manifest itself into solid shape, that is Vor. Void VOr even said that he can't be killed because he is energy.
You deserve more subs and views dude.
it feels weird watching this in the feauture
How do you find out what the corpus ship classes are called? I only knew the ashlar transports from lotus' dialogue and the obelisk class from words on them in archwing missions and whatnot but the other 2? I feel sorta ashamed I didn't know lol
+Eric Fung I made all of them up except Obelisk.
+StallordD you WHAT?! Well I guess technically your description of the ashlar class wasn't complete BS, but I assumed the lotus was talking about the Rovers being ashlar transports... Idk
+StallordD lore is too vague as usual
+StallordD you might want to put up a disclaimer/caption or something that you're making stuff up... For your sake. The haters are coming. I just sort of assumed all your videos are based on actual evidence in the game but now I don't know how to feel.
+StallordD great video still, no need to feel bad or anytgibg
If umbra are tenno that hide in the shadows maybe the wheel introduced in the war within quest influences if you can get umbra in the umbra quest in 2018
excal umbra was shown 3 years before their release? damn i didnt know that
I really like your Umbra idea.
sounds amazing, but if i understood right its just a Tenno who stayed with the Orokin or what?
I am not 100% either way for that, sorry.
from what I understood, its a tenno that took part in the Orokin massacre and didn't cared about the aftermath (unlike "us", who vanished to the Second Dream); sort of like the anti-stalker.
***** seems interesting. hopfully we'll get some informations
pause at 2:03 this is what i want to explore on pluto when eidolon comes out
I just don't want Venus, Neptune and Pluto to have pretty much the exact same tileset/landscape as they currently do. More unique tilesets like Europa for Corpus please. Pretty much every Grineer planet/tileset has a unique aesthetic.
yeah corpus is just some ice sprinkled with a bunch of blue shit everywhere
shame about the energy being tenno theory
but the precious twinks truth is just as likeable
In regards to the umbra theory, would this explain Ordis's line in regards to "Do not lift the veil. Do not split the dream." and in the Natah quest, Lotus admits to stowing the Tenno away in the Second Dream because she knew that if she crossed over she would be infertile and wanted something to call her children.
So is where we are now the "second dream", or the Void, or something completely different that may be coming in U18 with the supposed Orokin Moon tileset?
i have found in the wiki lore that tenno rebelled against the orokin because of how they were created or something similar. If this is true ( i dont know if i should trust the wikia) maybe the umbra frames are those who stayed loyal to the orokin, forced to hide in the shadows from the other tenno
Aww snayup! The Tenno being energy theory! :P
Most plausible theory yet.
+Krion and now we kno they arent. lol play second dream unles you alredy have xD
Michael Maszk lol xD This comment was created before The Second Dream lol xD
You're so fucking smart.
i did not kno
you are being mean.
Michael Maszk
And you're being dumb.
Warframe’s have to be fitted with something called a “Transference Bolt” for obvious reasons, so maybe we’re thinking too hard about this.
Maybe Umbral Warframe’s are simply the caste of Warframe’s that Ballas made before or after making the Primes, weapons with sentience that the Orokin sought to control in all their idiocy. Warframe’s who could move and operate without the need of the “Void Demons” would make some sense as an alternative to use of the Zariman kids, who most of the Orokin likely hated. It would also make sense as to why Ballas wanted Umbra dead. Maybe he is the last operational Umbral frame.
I saw the name of the one you're calling Plinth named differently on roger adams artstationn, he named them Stanchion class.
Great video. I'm thinking your Umbra theory is right
3:00 wow i totaly missed that😮😎
Maybe Prisma is refined Argon ... or very old Argon Cristals refined by the void energies and high levels of radiation to form much unlike Argon Cristals a much more stable Multicristaline structure. Like certain cristals it only chips and not completely breaks. And since its likely that Argon cristals can be used to channel void energies Prima should be better, and since more stable than Argon could be used to "Enchance" the Performance of any Object with it.
on the tenno are energy theory, assuming that the updating of the game is also time passing in the warframe universe, it would be imposible that tenno are energy becouse in an earlyer version of warframe in the defence missions with cryopods was the glass of the cryopod transparent, showing us a kind of shrimpled gray tenno face without warframe, leaving me to beleave that the tenno are a completely seperate species from the sentients, orokin, grineer, humans and corpus and that "the decentants of the orokin" refers to a social connection connection instead of a genetical connection
+istasenkris In the Tenno as energy theory, Tenno and Warframes are different. A Tenno controls a Warframe from a remote location, most likely the moon.
+StallordD ah, i didn't know that, i thought the tenno ware just sentient energy in the warframe in the theory, that makes more sense
6:18 what is that and why does it look like worm?
DoctorCyber Mini games they are kuria u scan em using codex i always found em in random locations of mars on getting all the scans u get the glyph nd this entry.there are lots of scans nd u havent completed myselfXD
as of now we know that the umbras are probably warframes that are more human than armor
What We Know Warframe Lore - Prime and Regular Warframes.
Dauragin primes are the frames made by orokin and the regular ones are the more recent ones. Tenno or whoever makes/made the more recent frames are ashamed of how the orokin were and didint want to show any similarities between the frames, even if it meant they were worse.
Dauragin prime frames were the original models while the normal ones were built based off of the originals design, I’d imagine the orokin didn’t mass produce the prime ones because they were too “expensive” and resource heavy. That or the Tenno were forced inside of the prime frames before transference was a thing, and I’m guessing the copies were more suited for transference but in exchange they were less powerful.
could you maybe make one all about how in TWW the worm queen calls you a "infested puppet" like what that means and if the warframes have infested inside them or something like that
Warframes are made from infestation, yes. I could do a video on that I guess, but I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.
Can you please do a video on the Arbiters of Hexis?
I wonder how many Warframes will have Umbra variants?
I want Loki Umbra so bad.
Nyx Umbra would look way better.
We'll see :D
I think Excalibur umbra was to satisfy those who can't get the prime.
When is the next episode comeing out?
one question: who are the humans we see in our repeaters? are they rebell grineer or civilian tenno? that migth answer if whe are human, alive, infested, energy or that we are only the warframe itself and theres a dead guy inside.
+Mike A Repeaters? What? Civilians are human, such as the workers on relays. Rescue targets are also human. If you mean the things in the cryopods, it's unsure. Probably a "base" frame, that specific types of frames can be crafted around.
StallordD sorry, in the spanish translaction of the game the reles are called "repetidores" which means that, repeaters.
i think the player tenno is infected, and his mutation can change form, thats why we can use warframes of different shape, but we arent from the firsts, the firsts are the "blueprint", then the orokin made like copy paste but the clonation doesnt work well so we are amorphs
Not how mutation works. Also, I have difficulty comprehending your hypothesis.
+Miguel Ignacio Arriagada Aravena Tenno aren't infected with virus, but with void energy, warframe is just a suit that channels that energy into specific power. Tenno without warframe also can channel the energy into power, like in Rhino codex.
I don't really understand the second sentence, but I guess you're talking about warframe is a clone, right? Well... the suit is just factory made suit, just like modern day armor is just factory made. But the tenno is not a clone. They are different people with different personality. The first refugee from the void are given prime version of the warframes of its type. The regular warframes are copy-paste of prime, minus the gold part or the decorations, simplistic, industrial grade suit. Like in Loki's leg "Tenno Model 2100N serial 148-H", indicated that regular warframes are made in a factory.
Ok, the theory I throw up was full of speculation and I think I putted a lot of my imagination on it. My problem is, if the void refugees already came with some "powers" how "we" can change them changing warframes. (Sorry english is not ny native)
Miguel Ignacio Arriagada Aravena my guess is we have two gender tenno of ourselves, a male and female. Male goes to male warframe, female goes to female.
What?
i need more of these videos !!!!!!
I think umbras are the original frames. Ballas states that the Orokin took their best, both willing and not...and infected them with the virus. We see umbra's memories. He was a high ranking Dax soldier. A very high ranking one, to the level of knowing Ballas personally and having portraits of him on the walls of his villa. This is speculation ofc, but what if the Orokin took the best soldiers in their domains...infected them... and cloned whatever was the result. The best Dax soldier of the orokin empire would yield the Excalibur frame... Excalibur Umbra, to be more exact..which then went out of control...and after putting it down, the Orokin cloned it with more genetic magic , resulting the Excalibur Prime, which the Tenno used in the First War.
Infect the best hand to hand combatant in the empire and you get Atlas Umbra... which you then slightly modify and make Atlas Prime.
Ember might just have been a psychotic arsonist rotting in an Orokin jail and when offered the techocyte virus, she agreed to be experimented on and transformed.
Mag might have been a physicist...Saryn a botanist...
So on and so forth with every frame. Literally taking the best of the empire in their respective fields, in an attempt to create the ultimate weapons. This doesnt sound so far fetched, considering that the Orokin were willing to sacrifice entire planets in order to win the First War.
The powers that the frames have are clearly not comming from the tenno. Otherwise, we would be able to use them when transferring out of our frames. The abilities come from the frames and the tenno is like a battery that powers them through transference.
infomation about umbra in wiki: warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Excalibur/Umbra
Your umbra theory sounds better imo lmfao
Love the vids
>2015 talking about umbras.
>2018 HOLY SHIT OUR FIRST UMBRA
2:22 There's just a giant fieldron pick-ups at the back of the ship lol. Talk about reused assets.
are you using the keyboard n mouse or a controller?
+rizqi ariffi M&K
perhaps he is called Umbra because that is his name. Umbra Dax.
I want to live in a Cantilover.
Cantilever is 'Leever' otherwise it'd have to be spelt 'Cantilevver'. A lever has a long 'e' meaning that 'e' sounds like it does in the alphabet. Short vowels are those whose sounds are different to how they sound in the alphabet. That's why 'travelling' for instance is spelt with two 'l's otherwise it is pronunced, 'traveeling' with the 'e' becoming long - but nobody obviously says it that way.
Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through it's Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn it's simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.
This is what we know...
Do what we know-stalker
Actually umbra Excalibur was a dax
FeelsSadMan
umbra came in 2018
waittt, alad v in second dream said: last time u came into contact with sentients u killed whole civilization...so this means sentients used us to kill orokin probably with energy cuz when u channel the enemies u killed imidatley disentegrate (sry for grammar) with energy, so we could have killed them without giving them time to regenerate i suppose also, therr are couple of orokin alive, alad v and teshin ,im not sure of teshin, so in conclusion umbras are probably still controled by sentients, mabey?
lotus are originally a sentient
Alienoid *is and yes i know isnt that iobvious taht we came into contact with lotus and she had control over us and then ordered us to attack orokin?
+Balmux The Tenno follow the Orders of the Lotus without a second thought.
lotus ordered the Tenno to slaughter the Orokin.
Teshin said something similiar about the Lotus.
but after that "accident" we could choose what we can do.
Thats the Invasions
SkullPlays alad v said that : remember what happened last tiem u came into the contact with the sentients, u whiped out the enitre civilization
Here's what happened:
Orokin, huge, golden powerful civilization, creates something to help them. This something is called Sentients, used to terraform planets. Sentients rebel against their masters. Somewhere a ship full of children called Zariman, gets fucked by the void and its energy. Orokin used tenno and made suits for them, heavily implied that it is made of infested tissue, which the tenno can control in a certain way. Lotus controls the tenno, a female sentient who lost her fertility. Orders the tenno around. Tenno kills sentients, then kill orokin, then she should kill them, but gets a motherly love for the tenno, and refuses.
1:52 or that Darvo just stole it from someone
9:32
not to pick on you, but another take would have been recommended.
lol whyd i hesitate
Definitely a miss on that Umbra part.
Boy that Umbra segment didnt age well, huh?
Chroma lore pls
Jordas was right all along....
Hey I think that Ordis is Jordas THEY ARE THE SAME CEPHALON And If you looked at Ordis's 3D Model he looks that he is Broken...
and If Jordas And Ordis SAME and Related To Infested ... WTF IS THAT THING IN MA SHIP ?????
Clemmm
It turns out that the "Tenno as energy" theory is busted. In reality, the Tenno are humans remotely operating the Warframes
whaaaaaat
+Mike A Play The Second Dream quest that was added in Update 18
and suposedly, umbra are Tenno that do not have operators, and it is rumored that the stalker is one as well
Diego Diaz The Tenno ARE the Operators. As such, I'm assuming that you meant WARFRAMES without Operators.
Epicmonk117 exactly what i mean
Old theme ;.;
It's funny, the out-datedness of this video. It needs an update. But, eh.
There is almost nothing in this video that has been usurped by new information, except for the little bit about the Tenno. I have no idea what you're referring to.
StallordD Primarily the things referencing the Tenno. Otherwise, yeah you're right.
First bb
Tone the *D* *R* *A* *M* *A* *T* *I* *C* voice back a bit dude.
Its as monotone as someone can get
these videos are quite good, but using a gravely voice makes them difficult to listen to and enjoy
+MrThaddeusRex That's my natural speaking voice. I have a lot of something called "vocal fry" that takes a lot of concentration to mitigate even slightly, like I tried to in these. But at least now I know I was justified in my fears of having a piece of shit narration voice, so it further reinforces my decision to stop these for good.