PAINT TALK: The hardest thing about oil painting
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Hi, I am the son of two artists and began painting in my hometown of Richmond, Virginia before I could walk. I was a rare combination of artist and athlete so I moved to Los Angeles in 2008 to play football for USC. I left the team my sophomore year to focus on painting and filmmaking, applying the same focus and discipline from my football career to my art. I primarily work in oils, and spend most free days painting "en plein air" in my new home of Sarasota Florida.
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😂 omg that intro is the best. I havent even gotten into oil painting yet, but I'm glad I decided to watch
Glad you liked it!!
Painting with oils is extremely difficult if you don’t know how to apply the paint properly. ALWAYS go with wet on wet and know which brush to use for the occasion.
@@williammcclanahan4518 that's a prevalent misperception regarding oils, that they *extremely difficult" 🙄 I've been a professional artist for almost 4 decades, I'm primarily self-taught, and sadly, because I bought into that misperception, I only took up oils about 9 years ago. My only regret is not working with them sooner!
How to avoid mud, lol
Thanks for explaining, to many channels just want to show there skill but not explain anything
You saved yourself a lot of time
I feel like this dude could teach me to paint and then immediately whoop my ass at beer pong.
I feel like I would be comfortable letting him do my eyebrows too. Multifacetted. I’m a fan!
LOL!
@Daniel Owen whoa it’s as if this is isn’t a scam and you are probably the same person🤩🤩
i WAS THINKING THE SAME
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I've been trying to find this type of demonstration for a week, first video I've seen that actually shows this. Thank you
Kris Phero glad to be of help
Art teacher here: Thank you so much for this video! It addresses a very difficult concept to master. Paint density while layering can be confidence destroying. I also appreciate that you used a warm color on top of a cool color for your example. Its typically easier to start with your darkest coolest colors first and apply think layers. The warmest and brightest colors can be applied at "higher" layers. There are some really cool ways to mix gamsol and linseed oils with paints to make them more or less dense than each other. You can even acheive layering of less dense paints on denser ones if you keep the ratios in sync. Cool stuff thank you!
I've been oil painting on and off for almost three years and I did not know this. I tried using all sorts of techniques, mediums, etc. and nothing has been satisfactory. You hear fat over lean all the time but no one says, go lean for at least the first 50% of your painting. I'm looking forward to setting up my new studio to start painting again!
Art is not a solitary hobby. You need to be around other experienced artists or watch them paint. You cant improve by being on your own or closed off. After you have learned and socialized with other artists for several years, then you can go off into solitary and create work.
Wish you the best ☺️👍 I find oils so addictive, truly nothing compares! 🎨
@@thedeafgenius I was just thinking about that again, particularly "copying" the masters as Chris suggests, not to sell, but to learn. I am kind of isolated in a rural area bit we do have some plein air painters and get together sometimes to paint
Interesting that people really strive to go thick asap, even thought liquid paints seem to be a lot easier to control.
This was SOOOO helpful..i just started art school & my teacher barely discusses the proper way to use the oil paints. THANK YOU :)
Super helpful especially when you're coming from another medium. I was/am definitely one of the people who didn't know how to word this question! Would you mind showing us and talking a little bit about the varnish/finishing process? How long do you wait to do it? How long does it take to dry? How shiny should we go.. all that jazz. Thank you!
Thanks! I will put varnishing on the list!
Tiffany Lee I’m still super confused? I opened a bottle of Gamsol and the whole room was filled by fumes that seem toxic and bad. I opened up all
The windows but it was so strong and also my eyes kept feeling irritated and dry. Why or how are people doing this?
@@nsr5961 Wow - I recently bought a bottle but don't even smell anything ? all people are different ? maybe you are allergic ?
Charger Steve Agree. I like the smell of most paint and stuff.
I really appreciate how you explain things really straight forward with demonstrations that anyone can totally understand. If only i could take a whole art course from you irl. I have a feeling that i would improve greatly if that were to happen. You are still helping me through youtube and it isnt making me worse that is for sure. I have painted for years but i am only now realizing that i had some downright terrible painting teachers. What a waste when there is so much to learn! If only they were as skilled and personable as you! Thank you for sharing with us!
7:23 ..... life changing
Perfect. Simple explanation.
why thankyou
I AM SO HAPPY THAT I FOUND YOU!!!! THANK YOU SOOO MUCH FOR SHARING YOUR PAINTING SECRETS... YOU SIMPLY THE BEST TEACHER EVER!!!!
Thank you so much 😀
finally i can start with oils! the demo i have been looking for all my life!! I was so confused to start with oil paints bcoz of poor knowledge of mediums and confusion with thick over thin.. i just kept reading about it and even tried looking for it on youtube but just couldn’t find the right video to clear my confusion!! finally i have !! Cant thank u enough dude ! 😘
Very helpful video.. oils continue to stress me out, but as you said, it's practice, practice.. You definitely made it less intimidating.. and I can see the possibilities now. I have some oil paints that I have been avoiding, but your video was very encouraging.. thanks so much..!
You're an angel! Seriously made me get over my fear of oil painting
That's what I'm here for!
Brilliant explanation of the basics of oil painting . If only teachers would not skip this vital part of teaching , so important for beginners like me . Many thanks 😄
I've been trying to figure out how to manage paint thickness for SO LONG! This visual guide helped a ton. Thank you!
I cannot express how much I appreciate this, didn't know why this happened sometimes till now.
Wonderful explanation on the worst (muddying) and best (everything) things about oil painting!!!
I love it for, among other reasons, it's correctability!!! It is so forgiving of your mistakes!!
Thank you!!
I like how you explain fat over thin. It’s easier to understand the concept! Great job!
Thanks so much for recognizing that beginners often don't even know how to word the problem in order to search for a way to fix it!
Ive gone back to acrylics because the drying time is so much faster. if the bottom layer is dryer you can cover it with another color real easy. and you can still add oil paint sections.
Much appreciated. I’ve watched countless videos and every person just dances around it or doesn’t show such a basic concept
This is as transparent as anyone can be, super helpful!! Thank you
Thank you so much!!! I have been searching for a visual example (I learn this way) and the complicated other videos I've seen confused me more with the technical jargon! I have always used acrylics and have so nervous to do oils. You have helped me immensely!!
Omg this is game changing! It’s like layers in photoshop but with paint 🤩
Thank you so much! Now I know how to approach my next painting.
I wish I had this info a few days ago 🥲 I am on my first proper painting which is my friend’s cat and it took me a while to figure out the basic colours and light/dark distribution and the fur is next and I’m a bit anxious 🥲 I know, a pet is ambitious, but I have experience with watercolours and have been drawing for years so I thought I’d just give it a shot.
To not complicate things for myself I decided to use the paint directly without thinner. I managed the blending and everything okay but it took me quite a few layers and taking off paint and so on and now I don’t want to ruin what I managed to achieve because it really took a while 😭
I have been searching for videos about “oil painting detail” and didn’t find what I was looking for. In the painting process of someone else I saw them applying the details last and it looked like they kind of “dragged” the light paint so blend in with the existing one and it did work for me on some spots but definitely won’t for detail. Now I know I should’ve thinned the paint in the lower layers. Do you think it’ll still be possible if I wait a few days and let it dry a bit? I know it’ll take much longer to dry completely but do you think that could work?
Thank you. After watching your video and another one about oil painting I tried my second shot at it after the very first time in the last summer and... heck, you nailed it! It's been great. No frustration at all and the piece is coming out quite nice. Now I have to figure out how to approach precise objects like buildings and so but I'm happy already. 😀
That's great!
This video and all of them are the best!! I’ve been trying to teach myself how to oil paint but the color mixing has stumped me. This helps so much. Your explanations help with concepts that books or other videos don’t explain well. It makes sense. Thank you.
A simple basic thing that nobody tells you and it is so helpful, thank you so much, you are a great teacher.
Thank you sooo much! I had no idea that the problem I kept running into had a solution like this! I didn’t know what I was doing wrong even though I heard thousands of times “fat over lean”.
Yes, thank you!!!!! So, so helpful! I was trying to figure this out...great explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
Super helpful demo. Definitely was an obstacle for me getting into oil painting, learning how to maneuver the paint. Great tips 👍
Glad it was helpful. I plan on making more videos like this in the future.
The "hardest" part you all didn't understund, is the simple fact that oil is getting dry in 2-3 days, while acrilyc 2 minutes, "why all the colors are mixing together"🙄 DUUH, that's why!!
Very helpful, thanks. I just hope that there’s less music background😃
Just keep in mind guys if you sand down any sort of dried paint be extra cautious no to inhale it or ingest it in any way, it can be toxic.
Bro, I have been trying to figure this out by myself for the longest time. And I finally got over my ego and looked on youtube. You have given me the answers I need! Thank you!
Every tip you give about oil painting is a reason I haven't tried it yet, so thank you
Your spot on on all your teaching. A great channel to help new painters and a great site to refresh skills. Subscribed 👍🇨🇦
Very helpful thank you! I was struggling with the same issue and watched bunch of videos like wet on wet techniques however didn't get it, but now I got it... 👌
That intro is so insanely relatable. thank you!!
This is fantastic! I hope you know how many fellow artists you have helped! Thank you!
You remind me of one of my nephews who is a ski instructor and also a really good teacher. Good lesson; even though I'd seen videos on this before, I had a hard time understanding what the differences entailed before I watched this.
Another option is to simply use alkyd (fast drying oils) paints, at least for the initial layers/passes. They dry only slightly slower than acrylics with retarder added, i.e. painting done in morning is dry after lunch. Then on your final pass go with the fattier oil paint.
Also, if in the past your underpainting/ground was done in acrylic, you'll find better layer attachment alkyd to oil than acrylic to oil.
Helpful tip- thanks for sharing!
i appreciate this more than u can comprehend my guy
Finally I know that thing I didnt’t know and I didn’t know that I do not know but struggling! THANK YOU!
Thanks man This was my biggest frustration, I am coming from Cuba and Cervantes Cabrera Moreno was part of my family but I was to young when he died out of stroke
I haven’t picked up a paint 🎨 brush going on 5 years 😞and I am 😔slowly warming up to the idea again . Thanks 🙏
The Explanation In This Video Is Excellent Now Everybody That Watches Your Videos Are Gonna Know Their Mistakes! Stay Connected!
Thank you, I learn something new all the time.
It’s funny I sort of knew this but not really n this made it more obvious how they work.
I haven’t painted in a few years cuz we moved to the RV n I have no room n my husband retired which makes doing things difficult in a small area but I’d like to paint a few more paintings before retiring altogether. ❤
I think if you start off with watercolor, you'll be able to get a better grip on the oils. Like we have to deal with worse problems like harsh edges, bleeding, cauliflower thing, colors mudding up, and slow (not as slow as oils but compared to acrylics) drying.
Dude , this channel is better than art college. Keep it up!!
Oh man, thank you for explaining this in the phrasing that my mind was asking the questions.
Your videos are great! I love oil painting and this inspires me to keep pushing myself to get better:)))
You’re a great teacher. .. very direct practical info.
That’s was an eye opener! Thank you so much.
Also I would love a video on brush economy ,like getting a painting done with just a few correct brush strokes, like maybe a flowers in a vase?
Wow So Beautiful Colours playing, Wishing you more and more Successes 🌺💜💐
Thanks, that was already helpful, but i still have a question: How is Bob Ross doing it? Because in his videos I don't see him using gamsol, etc
LuxAeternum thanks! He has a specific way of painting and prepping the canvas. He had paint thinner in that tub off screen that he would use and then “beat the dickens” out of his brush to get it dry. He worked in a particular way to create his specific style in a very short amount of time.
Bob coats the canvas with a thin layer of Liquid White. You can buy this at Blick or Jerry’s Artarama. He uses very thick oil paint and natural hair brushes.
@@paintcoach I also noticed that Bob Ross would always say thin paint sticks to thick paint, but you are saying to work opposite...thin to thick. Is Bob's way specifically for the wet on wet technique? Or does it work both ways? I'm trying to figure out my own style, but I'm also trying to learn as much as I can about oil painting to better understand what I'm doing.
His "liquid white" under layer is pre-thinned, and he often mixes that with other colours to create a dilute paint. Also, if you listen carefully, he'll just casually drop in passing that he's thinned paint down with linseed oil or thinner.
His paintings have a specific construction that still fits this principle, though - the underlayers are very very thin - not necessarily dilute, but thin. Just a scraping. Then there is a single thick layer of top of that. He advises against painting thickly on paint that is already thickly applied, that's "mud-mixing".
@@lpiccitto Bob Ross does start with thin layers, though, before the thick paint even goes on. His "thin sticks to thick" principle applies to the final touches which go on top of the thick impasto layer.
This intro was so good ! Thanks a lot !!! i have been searching a video for getting a better grasp at the basic concept of mediums and solvents and this was so helpful !
You're very welcome!
Problem with common painters is that they dont glide their brushes when painting. They use force. Also another issue is that people are repeatedly brushing the area after first application for the wrong reasons. That is why people need to experiment. Those who don't experiment tend to have boring paintings and you can pick them out of the crowd of paintings instantly. You guys really need to find a mentor in your area that you can actually go visit and watch them paint. You guys need to be part of a group and learn from them. Thats the only way you will get good and will set you apart from those whose works havent improved for years.
THANKS took so long to finally get an answer !
Good video but youve got this wrong. Fat over lean refers to the amount of oil on the paint. The first layers have solvent, then neat paint, then paint mixed with additional oil. That's why glazes, which are mostly oil, are used last.
exactly
Also, when the paint is dry, just paint over it instead of 'sanding' it.
Wouldn't thst depend on the technique you are using: direct or indirect?
I have a question. I have a painting medium that came with my paiting kit, it's basically a mix of vegetable oils and mineral spirits. If i dry my painting in beteween layers and want so follow the real fat over lean rule: does straight paint from the tube go on top of the paint mixed with this medium or the other way around? And if i add more of this medium does is get fatter or leaner considering it has both oil and thinner inside?
Your channels really been helpful, I have been trying to get into oil paint recently and I find your videos great for tips!
it helps, but to actually keep the color from changing whilst going over any thin, wet layer , it is helpful to let it dry. If you dont and you want popping colors to stay vibrant, the impasto you will need makes it dry even slower, and the texture could get in your way in later layers, for its not really possible to cover up that layer if not dried completely
Thank you. I think you've just saved me hours of frustration!
This helped tonnes and put it all in perspective for me. Thanks!
This is a problem that has kept me from transitioning my professional illustration work to oils for years. Certainly the medium needs practice but this always gets in the way.
Another problem is what I’ve heard called as “skating” which is when you’re trying to apply paint even of the same color, thicker even, and instead of it sticking on all that happens is your brush (along with the load of paint it has) ends up wiping off the paint already on the canvas and spreads some out of the sides of the stroke on the canvas.
This all is quite frustrating because there were illustrators who did pro work, fast, for decades, in oils, and managed to do things alla prima, with thin layers of paint. Take Frazetta for instance. Much of his work is so thin it’s like watercolors almost. There are many he did in multiple sessions and there are some he did in one sitting, but they look layered instead of all the painting being done with mixes of color on the canvas.
What is going on in those cases and what is the problem when the paint “skates”? How much does the ground play into this?
I’m extremely curious too and would love an answer to all your questions
Changing over from Acrylics to Oils, this subject is my number 1 issue I’m having!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I was painting a project fr my MAPEH class TuT And I came through this problem and I searched and saw this vid... THANK YOU
I’m so confused,, is that a water he’s mixing the colour with ? Or just oil?
really great info! i'm new to oil painting and your videos help me a lot! 💜
That's awesome! More on the way!
The most helpful oil paint tutorial..this was the one I was looking for.. thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Me to thanks
You're brilliant! Thank you for this quick explanation.
Thank you! What a simple thing to fix my issues!
Thanks a lot Bro. You're doing a great job. Thank you!
This info is gold! I am always struggling to avoid mud. Therefore i am using to little paint. Lightbulb moment here ;-) Thank you
I remember having to use almost no medium for most parts of a painting for uni because I left it till the last minute to paint, lol. Ain't got no time to wait for that previous layer to dry. And in the end that was one of my favourite paintings.
Thank you, I have some problem when I try to explain this thickness properties to my student in english ; Now I can try it again.
Happy to help!
Thanks for this video. I always seem to fight my paint when oil painting and have to wait for layers to dry before I go to the next color. Appreciate the lesson.
This video saves lives.
I find your videos short, and to the point. When you cimbine that with lots of detailed demonstrations, well, how can we not like them! Thanks They are also great respite from the Covid 19 house arrest that we find ourselves under at present. Cheers
Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying them!
I have just discovered you, Paint Coach, and am so enjoying learning from you. Could you consider lowering the volume of the music so it isn't competing with you to be heard? Your message is so good that even no music at all would work. :-) Thank you for sharing your knowledge so generously.
yeah it's an older video. My new ones are mixed better. Glad you like the channel!
You get this from Bob Ross, if you look at how he constructs his paintings. The first layers are very thin - the white underlayer which is both dilute and vanishingly thin, then the background colours, which are full-strength paint but again are wafer-thin. Then there is only one thick layer of full-strength paint (the mountain, the base colour of the tree) and one upper layer of dilute paint (snow, tree highlights on top) which has to be dilute or it will not work. If you add extra layers of thick paint, you become a "mud mixer". You really only get one shot at the thick layer, unless you're going to let it dry and come back to it. It's a thing which is quite unique to oil paint and I was surprised by it.
I'm finding Bob Ross tutorials a great way to learn the basics of how oil paint behaves.
It’s actually the opposite of Bob Ross. Bob Ross worked in a very specific way that doesn’t lend itself to basic oil painting techniques
@@paintcoach Do you not think his initial layers follow your principle, though? I understood you to be saying that you had to build up thin layers first, then the impasto goes on. You can't start thick and keep going thick. It's a different technique but the same materials
but why would you ever need to layer it like that. why not just put the green paint around the red stripe so theres no mud or mixing at all. even painting alla prima theres no reason to do that.
It's nice to build colours slowly and let the light travel through multiple layers of paint until it hits the canvas. I feel like it looks richer in colour variation in that way in comparison to painting everything with a premixed colour.
Maybe it's also how you're used to work with other media....like watercolours or alcohol markers for example rely heavily on building up several layers of transparent colour.
Also sometimes you want to change things because you didn't like the colours how you first planned them. Like maybe you didn't think about adding red at first but now you think it would look better with some in it and you don't want to wait 4 weeks until you can add it in.
"How to stop muddy paint mixing" would be what I would search
This is helpful. I have been using the thinner to thin out my paint and do quick dry layers.. I will try gamsol
Awesome! Yeah it's all about working thin to thick
One of the things that can confuse is the difference between. thick thin and fat lean. They are not the same. Using your thick thin example the middle thickness one, the one with medium is actually the fattest. Fat meaning the amount of oil in the paint and its effect on the speed of drying. Fat over lean is always putting slower drying, more oily, paint over thin faster drying less oily paint. This stop cracking on gives a better paint film that will last.
Yeah I kind of misspoke here. This video is just about thin to thick and not fat over lean
First problem is I'm on a very tight budget and I'm wondering if you have a recipe for making gesso ?
Second problem
I've painted a blue suit on one of my characters and it was far too blue using French Ultramarine Blue. Too much, far too much chroma. So I tried glazing with "liquin" and orange oil paint. That made it blotchy ! So then I thought I'd use Phthalo Blue, with licquin and that made it dark, less chroma, in fact hardly any chroma. Midnight in a coal cellar would be more accurate. So now I'm stuck. Do I need to use paint stripper and start again. It's a big canvass 3 foot by 2 foot so I really need to be sure that whatever I do next will be beneficial
Kind regards - Chris in Thailand
PS, great videos ! Keep up the good work and take a medal out the bucket ! Bravo !
You are a life saver 🌺
Thaaaannkk uuu , I watched alot videos just to get the layering
Best explanation ever! Thank you so much.
fun fact: toxic pigments are in it's most toxic form if you sand it, the dust that you might breath in from it is more toxic than any solvents you migth breath in in the normal process o painting.
“Please choose one… They’re both good” haha polite begging Ill take it
Can you speak to the best practice for cleaning the brush when mixing of changing mixtures? Does it not keep colors cleaner? It's good habits that really help.
This is so helpful
this was so helpful and came along right when I needed it!
If I haven't watched your video I wouldn't know how to work with it....
Thanks that was a lot helpful....
Glad I could help!
IMHO. The pink color usually is a transparent color.
White usually is opaque.
Opaque color can replace any other color.
Simple.
Artist color always mention opaque or transparent or between.
Love the videos and learn a ton! But please lose so much of the background music. Maybe some at the start before you get into the lesson. Keep it up coach!
It's like a motivational video lol jk
Thanks for this video. My apologies if this question has already been answered but where does alkyd medium fall on this thin to thick spectrum? Also how long can a painting sit untouched before it’s no longer “wet into wet” painting? I know that may sound obvious but is there a level of tackiness that once reached you would recommend that a painter deliberately thicken up their paint before proceeding further?
Very helpful - thanks for the simple explanation
Hi, ive got a question, i just started out oil paint, but when i try to mix, for example, when i try to mix red and white, instead of being light pink or so it becomes silvery like the white is not mixing with the red. What shoyld i do? Ty, lots of love :)
The intro is funny. I sounded just like that when I was painting and that happened to me so funny..😊