@@RyanBassForLifei have 3 NVX vcw 12s and love them especially for about a bill a piece i paid direct before everyone knew about them. They sound great and can get low and hit plenty hard enough. Ran a single 12” on a Korean half bridge 1600 rms amp and the sub never even got warm.
Bruh I have been foolin with subs and systems for almost 30 yrs and I NEVER thought to cut the rubber off the magnets on the back. It makes so much sense, the way you explained how it doesn't dissipate heat
More budget banger vids my system is built already but it's interesting to see where I could save and still be good I always feel like top names are better
I've found that sealed enclosures and suv's don't go well together. The large interior volume cancels out your upper frequencies and then the sealed enclosure limits your lower frequencies. You end up with a very narrow usable frequency range which gives you one note bass. I tend to use ported enclosures and tune it low like 27 or 30 Hz to get the most usable frequency range. I would have him try that. Of course, you should use whatever you think sounds best.
Pretty much all built in one of theee major buildhouses in china. At that point your down to the fact of specs, quality and price. I stopped worrying about brands a while ago..lol
😂 Just playing with your head Mr mb. I model the 508 in bassbox pro and the graph looking good with .8 net box vol with 11.88 sq-in of port area and tuning around 36hz. Just waiting on the dealer to get them in stock in trinidad.
I gotta say it. You can't judge a driver by the size of it's motor. I'm not sure why your comparing motors and saying one is better than the other. They look comparable to me. There's no drastic difference. In fact, if the design and tolerances of the Hydrogen are higher, it could be better than the NVX. I think comparing motors distracts from the point you were making, which is "pricing is complicated". In theory, you could have 2 different companies making identical subwoofers in every way. One company may have to charge much more than the other company. Factors such as how much time and money was put into research development and testing, how much overhead the company has, how much they pay their employees, cost of shipping based on where they are and on and on. I don't think it's fair to say that a person is being "robbed". That's a very exaggerated opinion. My opinion is that people who don't have money to waste should focus on products that give the most performance for the least money. The best bang for the buck. The car audio hobby should be a fun hobby, so if someone feels good about buying a Ground Zero product, let them go ahead and buy it and enjoy it. 👍
If everything else is similar, yes, you can compare motor size. MB was merely pointing out that one company hides the size of the actual motor. Maybe ask why the company did that. You left out one cost for companies, marketing. Some do it deceptively. And you think that if ppl know there are companies deceiving their customers, we should say nothing. Nope.
@derrick_v How the heck can we tell if everything else is similar? Not only would you have to tear the driver apart to measure the gauss and the voice coil gaps, but how could you even model the magnetic fields? Only high level speaker engineers have that equipment. You might be able to compare the specs, such as Bl, Xmax, sensitivity, Vas, etc... but those may not be accurate. So no, you can't judge a driver by it's motor size. Even MB has said this. Second, they don't appear to be hiding the motor size. That's just an assumption or opinion. There are legitimate reasons that boot might be shaped like that and be 1.8mm thicker than the other. It might be easier to mold, more durable, or simply to look nicer. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Most engineers, even Kip from Kicker, will tell you that the boot doesn't affect the heat dissipation. It's main function is to protect the fragile ferrite magnets from getting chipped as well as for cosmetic reasons. Lastly, yes, marketing is another is a long list of expenses thar can effect the final price. 👍
@@derrick_v the coil is a bigger factor than the motor in many aspects. You could have a 300lb neo motor but if you have a single layer, cheap coil it is meaningless. The motor provides the filed, the coil takes the power and does the work and if the GZ has an 8 layer coil its going to do more than a the NVX if it has a 2 layer coil. Copper, aluminum, and CCA play a role as well in the coilce between handlingd heat, power, and the weight of the coil as well as the suspension and overall moving mass. The actual suspension is also a huge part and a very still sub is going to use a lot of power from the amp just to keep moving before it can even produce sound. A good motor can suggest a good sub but just comparing motors to motors is not an accurate way to rate a sub
You lost any credibility you had with this video. SPL DOES NOT EQUAL SOUND QUALITY. Maybe you should try listening to real music instead of Hip Hop/Rap. Put them both in a recommended enclosure and lister to Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. The GZ is a SQ sub, not an SPL sub.
@@kenfiedler1737 that not how they qualified it…😂. They specifically say SPL in the very model number. Your feelings hurt….sorry but the truth does that. Hurt feelings.
Mb showing us what these subwoofers look like without a BBL 😂😂 they got some lil bitty booties.
@@Cupandnoodles 😂
🤣🤣🤣
NVX is the Poor Man's SQ builder's best friend
My dad has a 15" NVX and it hits hard.
@@RyanBassForLifei have 3 NVX vcw 12s and love them especially for about a bill a piece i paid direct before everyone knew about them. They sound great and can get low and hit plenty hard enough. Ran a single 12” on a Korean half bridge 1600 rms amp and the sub never even got warm.
Bruh I have been foolin with subs and systems for almost 30 yrs and I NEVER thought to cut the rubber off the magnets on the back.
It makes so much sense, the way you explained how it doesn't dissipate heat
Color is also used to give certain effects..
Three of those nvx would be good for a civic. No one around here sells nvx. There is a dd dealer though. I love low notes.
Amazon
Sonic electronics sells nvx online
Space for bass!! There is a reason for budget bass.
Upgrades come later.
More budget banger vids my system is built already but it's interesting to see where I could save and still be good I always feel like top names are better
I'd Go as far to say that. NVX is the poor man's JL audio!
To be clear I'm not saying they're as good as JL audio. I'm just saying if you can't afford JL this is probably a good bet.
The vcw subs are budget gems imo.
Yooo, my eyes did the same thing when you pulled the boot off that second motor 😂😂😂 I said, What Da
Try the NVX in a sealed box. My dad has a 15" in a sealed box and it shakes his suv.
I've found that sealed enclosures and suv's don't go well together. The large interior volume cancels out your upper frequencies and then the sealed enclosure limits your lower frequencies. You end up with a very narrow usable frequency range which gives you one note bass.
I tend to use ported enclosures and tune it low like 27 or 30 Hz
to get the most usable frequency range.
I would have him try that. Of course, you should use whatever you think sounds best.
I have a Sundown E12 what would be a better budget king???
digital designs 512 12”
"Stop asking me to look at this doo-doo." 😂😂😂😂😂
If you want a SPL sub yeah, get DB drive... along with DD..
Pretty much all built in one of theee major buildhouses in china. At that point your down to the fact of specs, quality and price. I stopped worrying about brands a while ago..lol
Harmony Audio HA-ML Monolith also Powerbass 3XL series, sleepers.
Do the TEST.... N VX
You’re a great man.
I was considering x4 15 nvx on 5k just to practice.
Sounds like a challenge for 600 watt open air 40 hz till it pops see the real doodoo. That will clear up the mud
Pretty sure if u tested them.. the 250usd would play better & louder
I did…output the same
Interesting review odd though talking about doodoo and chocolate real similar to that audio control 8 you had a few weeks ago,,, doo doo
One is f30 other is f35
Lipstick on a pig and calling it a Stallion!😂😂
No, not at all.
When you go do the toro fierce 8 they don’t get enough attention
Hey fam you need to test them kb 8s Keith barker 8s
👍👍
I need a box
wouldnt the bl give the magnetic force
Anybody: I want a 1 ohm load to my amp using 2 subs. Do I need dual 2 or dual 4.
Dual 4
@MrAdeesmith2 preshate it bro.
You’ll always pay for names. Sometimes it’s worth it most of the time it’s not
What about the dd 508? Did not see you finished the review with it in a box. Hope it's not in the same class as those subs.
Stop it.. you already know it not in this class, if I back it. And by the way it’s $159 not $350 like the Ground Zero 8”. Peace
😂 Just playing with your head Mr mb. I model the 508 in bassbox pro and the graph looking good with .8 net box vol with 11.88 sq-in of port area and tuning around 36hz. Just waiting on the dealer to get them in stock in trinidad.
STOP 🛑 ASKING MBE TO LOOK 👀 AT DOO DOO 💩 😂
I gotta say it.
You can't judge a driver by the size of it's motor.
I'm not sure why your comparing motors and saying one is better than the other. They look comparable to me. There's no drastic difference.
In fact, if the design and tolerances of the Hydrogen are higher, it could be better than the NVX.
I think comparing motors distracts from the point you were making, which is "pricing is complicated".
In theory, you could have 2 different companies making identical subwoofers in every way. One company may have to charge much more than the other company. Factors such as how much time and money was put into research development and testing, how much overhead the company has, how much they pay their employees, cost of shipping based on where they are and on and on.
I don't think it's fair to say that a person is being "robbed". That's a very exaggerated opinion.
My opinion is that people who don't have money to waste should focus on products that give the most performance for the least money. The best bang for the buck.
The car audio hobby should be a fun hobby, so if someone feels good about buying a Ground Zero product, let them go ahead and buy it and enjoy it. 👍
If everything else is similar, yes, you can compare motor size.
MB was merely pointing out that one company hides the size of the actual motor. Maybe ask why the company did that.
You left out one cost for companies, marketing. Some do it deceptively. And you think that if ppl know there are companies deceiving their customers, we should say nothing. Nope.
@derrick_v How the heck can we tell if everything else is similar? Not only would you have to tear the driver apart to measure the gauss and the voice coil gaps, but how could you even model the magnetic fields? Only high level speaker engineers have that equipment. You might be able to compare the specs, such as Bl, Xmax, sensitivity, Vas, etc... but those may not be accurate.
So no, you can't judge a driver by it's motor size. Even MB has said this.
Second, they don't appear to be hiding the motor size. That's just an assumption or opinion. There are legitimate reasons that boot might be shaped like that and be 1.8mm thicker than the other. It might be easier to mold, more durable, or simply to look nicer. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy.
Most engineers, even Kip from Kicker, will tell you that the boot doesn't affect the heat dissipation. It's main function is to protect the fragile ferrite magnets from getting chipped as well as for cosmetic reasons.
Lastly, yes, marketing is another is a long list of expenses thar can effect the final price. 👍
@@derrick_v Are your last 2 sentences a question for me? What are you asking? It's not clear.
@@derrick_v the coil is a bigger factor than the motor in many aspects. You could have a 300lb neo motor but if you have a single layer, cheap coil it is meaningless. The motor provides the filed, the coil takes the power and does the work and if the GZ has an 8 layer coil its going to do more than a the NVX if it has a 2 layer coil. Copper, aluminum, and CCA play a role as well in the coilce between handlingd heat, power, and the weight of the coil as well as the suspension and overall moving mass. The actual suspension is also a huge part and a very still sub is going to use a lot of power from the amp just to keep moving before it can even produce sound.
A good motor can suggest a good sub but just comparing motors to motors is not an accurate way to rate a sub
LMAO. You do realize the ferrite weight between those is nearly identical?
You lost any credibility you had with this video. SPL DOES NOT EQUAL SOUND QUALITY. Maybe you should try listening to real music instead of Hip Hop/Rap. Put them both in a recommended enclosure and lister to Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. The GZ is a SQ sub, not an SPL sub.
@@kenfiedler1737 that not how they qualified it…😂. They specifically say SPL in the very model number. Your feelings hurt….sorry but the truth does that. Hurt feelings.
@@kenfiedler1737 and by the way. Hip hop/R&B is real music to me and that all that matters. The people I’m concerned with like it.
@@M.B.Enclosures My bad, I thought you had said the GZ was the Uranium series, which is their SQ line.
Do the TEST.... N VX