Had a privacy complaint probably off Karen, so anyone have any tips how to challenge it, if not I may have to blur her out but I’ll put some imagery on Twitter @TGAGwentAuditor but yeah any tips would be appreciated otherwise faces will be blurred in this video from tonight
As for tips... As far as I'm aware privacy rules usually regard name, address and other more uniquely identifiable information, opposed to just what they look like. They go out in public and work in a public facing environment so their face wouldn't fall under the privacy rule. Could add more context to the video if you subject access request all information they processed about you, emails, any reports, including all cctv of you that day 👌
Says somebody who got nothing better to do than watch you tube videos they don't like? If you think that's harassing then you are a snowflake as well. Get a grip it's a man with a camera, doing a legal activity. When did people in this once great country become so weak and pathetic, and so mardy arsed!
I hate TFW services, they are consistently unreliable and a let down… the staff are literally useless with no customer service skills. I felt for you dealing with this lot.
They are awful nowadays swear they were better in the Arriva days. But yeah entitled cow and ignorant arseholes who think everyone else is wrong and they are right
Grantham Rose Think you’re the fool tbh, and they are fools for not respecting people filming and photographing, I was doing nothing wrong I would’ve been happy just to walk through up to the platforms and filmed the trains if they’d only left me to it
Her (Karen) logic is flawed. Bylaws are there to be used where applicable and appropriate. I see so many rules on the transport systems broken every day. She just escalated it is all. So let me get this straight. That buffon of a ticket collector wanted you to WALK home for all she knows. I truly hope she is outed for what she is. .....I'm sure she must drive in to work 🙄
I would have asked for Karen to be arrested for her sexist comments of calling you "LOVELY" all the time, unless she was thinking of you covered in BBQ sauce and served up medium-rare with a plate of chips hahahaha
As a photographer and railway enthusiast I absolutely support the rights of individuals to take photographs in public locations including on the railway. I also support understand that police, security and railway staff don’t always understand the laws and rules which govern photography in public places. Having said all of this, I have concerns about “auditing” as the auditor must know the rules and behave in an impartial and consistent way. I think the nature of this filming is just unusual and so any staff or onlookers just won’t understand what’s happening.
She has ideas above her station and she was just using that passenger as an excuse, her sole reason for refusing you travel was vindictiveness and revenge because you never listened to her
6. Unacceptable behaviour (1) No person shall use any threatening, abusive, obscene or offensive language on the railway. (2) No person shall behave in a disorderly, indecent or offensive manner on the railway. (3) No person shall write, draw, paint or fix anything on the railway. (4) No person shall soil any part of the railway. (5) No person shall damage or detach any part of the railway. (6) No person shall spit on the railway. (7) No person shall drop litter or leave waste on the railway. (8) No person shall molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience of any person on the railway.
@@martinsanders6124 The railway is private property with public access and governed by the Railway Byelaws. He was legally asked to stop filming, refused to comply with their request and was ejected from the station by BTP for breach of Section6. Secondly, contrary to what he says he did not comply with the Guidelines for Rail Enthusiasts and finally under Section 24 he can be moved with reasonable force by security. What bit don't you understand?
@@fredfoto7362 Not a single point in the list refers to filming. Therefore, he did not act contrary to any rules, therefore there was no premise to eject him from the station. What part don't you understand?
@@martinsanders6124 It doesn't have to specifically refer to "Filming" however _"interference with the comfort of any person"_ certainly would cover filming in various circumstances.
@@B-26354 My understanding is that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in a train station, as it's a public building, i.e., publicly accessible by anyone. However, there is a reasonable expectation of privacy when someone is in their home own. Would you not agree?
That lady contradicted herself on so many occasions and clearly was looking to make TGAs life difficult through retaliation. Absolutely no de-escalation from her and no customer friendly approach when TGA was in fact the victim of threatening behaviour to start with. Which is a point really, if TGA was threatened by a member of the public where staff witness it and refuse to act to remove the man committing a public order offence, is TGA not justified to record for his own safety within that area. Also, by refusing travel she now allowed TGA to potentially remain in the presence of a man who threatened violence against TGA. She did not ask if we agree to you to allow you to travel will you please not record. She instead made presumption that TGA will record and distress people and on that basis refused travel. Such an embarrassment to Cardiff Station and not a good example of customer service.
Haha she says in reference to that guy threatening violence ‘everyone is allowed to say that and express themselves’. You cant make it up. Also first thing she said was you went up to her shooting your mouth off. You did no such thing. She was so passive aggressive telling her story to the police.
Flaming hell what a Karen. Before long are we all supposed to walk about wearing a blindfold or with our eyes closed.It’s getting unreal. It’s completely looney tunes. I think the privacy complaint was put in because it shows how stupid she is. Good vid TGA.
1:00 A private building has no bearing on being able to take pictures of it. Section 62 of the Copyright Design and Patents Act 1988 says that it's legal.
Section 33, Criminal Justice Act 1972, for the definition of “public place” in section 9(1) of the M1 Public Order Act 1936 there shall be substituted- “Public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise ”.
@@grahamtaylor3349 Also section 1(4) of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 and quite a few other places in legislation. Occurs so often that it's a legally defined term. Also has case law such as Knox v Anderton to back it up.
CCTV cameras are actually regulated under law - you're also entitled to see footage of yourself as well as part of the Data Protection act - that includes private CCTV held by private businesses/companies, This is all regulated by the Information Commissioners Office. It isn't at all the same to compare the two.
@@B-26354 Yes, but cctv is still filming everyone without asking anybody's permission to be filmed, and we do not get a say in that at all. GWR are only franchise operators, Network rail own the station, they state online they happily allow and encourage people to film inside their stations and on the platforms. Don't film security cameras or any other security measures that are in place.
@@scruffyalice-ff5pz Regardless the two aren't comparable and it annoys me when auditors pull this fast one with people. CCTV is regulated in law and you're entitled to request copies of footage under the DPA. Auditors can do whatever they want with their footage and aren't actually regulated at all (unless of course they're a limited company - which many are but don't actually comply with the DPA.)
Good polite audit if anything too polite as it gave karen the upperhand and she seemed to be dominating you. Just one question if you were certain you were in the right regards the laws why not stand your ground or at the very least put in a complaint.
Because the railways have byelaws, and if you start getting aggressive or disorderly it’s a breach of those byelaws, plus a bunch of other byelaws, so I was sticking within the byelaws and the woman wouldn’t bloody shut up
TGA but you did nothing wrong You did not break any laws. Because you are filming should not stop you to travel. Feeling cannot stop you doing a lawful activity. Train spotting you do not need permission OK it the proper thing to do but it's not law. Hope you complained to head office about Karen's conduct towards you.
The first guy was right, the private land owners place silver discs within the pavement when construction is taking place. This allows them to close that part of the pavement without council authority, for maintenance etc.
Ah right, the Karen was completely wrong though and why BTP decided to take her side in the end after initially saying I should be free to travel I don’t know
When you make a claim against them give them a choice cough up or sack the person responsible to teach them a lesson. Its about time that the individuals take responsibility for their actions. May be then she'll learn not to make things up when dealing with the public if she ever gets another job as any employer that see's this will instantly backlist her from any job interview for being thick (and that's putting it politely). I'd also have at the end when they said are we all happy with that for you to be evicted you should have said no, but that you would leave only if you were under threat of arrest. I hope TFW have seen this. May be link the video on the TFW Facebook page.
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA She called for action. So its her Karenness that instigated you being held for nearly an hour. It's people like her that would see an innocent man burned under tyres in the third world where a shout in the crowd calls out so many white knights. 🙄
She's not a Karen, she's a young woman who debates her points far, far better than you and she wiped the floor with you. Calling her Karen is just sour grapes.
She is a LIAR! She just talked over him all the time, and kept lying. The first interaction was recorded, and her lies exposed, that is why she has complained. She was caught out lying. She also said she can refuse anyone travel, even if they have done nothing wrong, and she does not like the look of them.
You should complain about this feeling do not affect your rights youcan film anything or anyone in public from a public place. She cannot stop you from travel. You done nothing wrong . You should complain you done nothing wrong I would write to the railway company. The railways is a public place You need to get tougher and stronger you got over whelmed There wrong you done nothing wrong and I would Defford not blur Karen out for stopping your travel.
Rail enthusiasts have no problem for one simple reason, why get permission first. Railway stations are private property, and so filming is at the owner's or owner's agent's discretion.
Yeah, the thing is though there is actually guidelines posted on Network Rail’s website for Filming and Photography which state no permit or permission is required and the byelaws have nothing to prohibit Filming or Photography either, so don’t defend the idiot of a woman.
Understand this, if you’re making a video as a train enthusiast you’re likely going to pass through and visit multiple stations in one day and you aren’t always sure which ones so it’s not possible to get permission from every one
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA It isn't a network rail station though ,its a Transport for Wales Station. Their policy states:- _"We recognise that there is significant interest in filming on our network and we will always try to accommodate such requests."_ _"As the railway is a safety critical environment, all filming requests on our trains and stations must be supervised, with requests submitted to us with 14 days’ notice."_ You needed permission to film according to the TfW policy.
B-263-54 That’s ridiculous must be regarding commercial filming, so I’m going to carry on filming for trainspotting purposes just do it more discretely at train stations in future
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA It's on their website. You can't just dismiss something because you disagree with it and then try to quote sources from other rail operators to try and justify your position. I'm fairly neutral when it comes to these kinds of videos but you have no right to film on other people's property without their permission. By your own logic you would be able to walk into the pub down the road and film everyone inside without the landlord being able to throw you out and 'bar' you. Which is a ridiculous mindset to take.
I don't see the problem with someone with a camera on the railway a few years ago the BBC did a series on the railways and no one objected and it was very educational and interesting.
Rwy’n wedi diflasu ar bobl sy’n cael problem fawr gyda ffilmio pan yn sefyll dan sawl camerau TCC eu hunain. I’m bored of people who have a big issue with filming whilst standing under several CCTV cameras themselves.
And yet I watch the silauron security guards bullying, intimidating and humiliating people practically on every train journey I take these days I’d rather walk hope you got a refund and request the cctv it’ll be funny 😂
They don't want anything recorded that might be shown in court. People just aren't used to cameras that can prove they're in the wrong and they've been getting away with it for decades. Security, get with the reality...your lies are OVER. Typical call to Dispatch..."He's behaving aggressively" camera shows otherwise...enquiry follows... nothing to see here. I call total BS.
Cardiff Central station is private property with public access, managed by TFW and governed by the railway byelaws. Putting that to one side and reviewing the Guidelines for Rail Enthusiasts, requests enthusiasts to inform the duty manager of their presence and I guess that would have brought the audit to a stop. This issue may provoke TFW to put their own policy together for photography as the NSPCC has.
It's owned by Network Rail, TFW own a franchise to run train services. Tfw can not put their own policies in place above Network Rail, who online say they approve filming on all their stations, and station platforms. she also said she can refuse travel to anyone, even if they have done nothing wrong, just because she can.
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA He hasn't got much of a choice, the railway byelaws are pretty watertight when it comes to people being asked to leave etc. Railway stations are probably one of the worst places to do any kind of auditing next to airports and sea ports because they're so well regulated with specific pieces of law.
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA Right but train spotting is entirely on the terms of the railway staff, they could ask you to leave and you'd have to leave that is a specific byelaw on the railway, if you refused to leave you'd be liable for prosecution. You were refused travel in this instance which is what the byelaws allow railway staff to do - if you had refused to leave the railway the police have a power to remove you. Personally it isn't worth arguing with staff or causing a scene, railways aren't a street corner they're places of heavy industry and transport, totally different to say a park or pavement. Staff may tolerate filming trains because those types of people have always existed (spotters) staff however will take umbridge to being filmed on camera or someone walking around the station building filming. At the end of the day the station building is privately owned, you can't just impose yourself on others property.
You have grounds for a civil case against TFW services. For the trespass against the person, the harassment, the calling of police which escalated a situation which the bylaws allow, the attitude of the staff against you, your human rights, and probably a few more. Pile it on. And go for £435, and nice odd number which looks like you've worked it out. A simple letter before claim which you can write yourself might suffice. If TFW decide to let it go to court, it's up to you if you get a solicitor but when you win, you'll get your costs covered.
I’ve made a complaint against her with TfW, if I went straight in with a claim against TfW themselves, who are a large railway operator with Welsh Government ownership and funding, chances are I would end up with hefty court fees and losing to TfW, so better to take it up with TfW directly regarding the individual
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA The Human Rights Act doesn't prohibit anything, it sets out HUMAN RIGHTS alot like the US Constitution sets out specific rights/freedoms. For example Article 2 of the Human Rights Act protects your right to life. Article 3 Protects you from Torture etc. There is no Human Right that protects filming on someone else's property, it isn't a human right, which should be common sense - land owners however have rights in law found in common law - aka they get to decide who can stay on their property. The original poster doesn't actually know what they're talking about, they are simply posting up their opinion and making themselves sound informed.
@@B-26354 Thank you, that's your opinion. There isn't anything specific about filming, just as there isn't anything specific about the right to hop on one leg. There is nothing in law that says photography is a restricted activity. So there is nothing that can be done by anyone to restrict it. Owners can put up various rules about conduct and activities on or in their properties, but they need to have a valid reason. So restricting photography in a private business is valid because of confidentiality and commercial secrets. But restricting photography in areas regularly used by the public is not valid and is too restrictive. It's like the rules that men should wear shirts when inside a shopping mall - and such rules are even more stupid when the shopping mall is next to a beach. The rights of land owners is absolute when the public aren't allowed on to it. But when the public are allowed on to the land, then owner's rights are very restricted. They have to ensure the safety of the public, and can be sued if a MotP does something stupid and has an accident such as slipping on a banana and the owner didn't do anything about it. Human rights laws are generally about what the state can't do to it's subjects. But they do also extend to corporate bodies and other organisations. So an employer placing restrictions on their employee's activities when they are not working is tantamount to a breach of their human rights
Why are so many people supporting this man? Just aggravating people doing there job. Skimmed through a few of your videos now and no one in them has done any wrong. This women is NOT a Karen. You should be ashamed of yourself going to people and harassing them at there job and then not giving people your UA-cam name or channel or video evidence because you know you’re in the wrong. Shameful.
Nice attempt of hiding her face 🙄 no privacy what's so ever be nice if you was actually videoing trains or whatever your hobby is but no you was harrasing the staff.
It goes to show from the start of the video that nobody wants odd balls with their faces covered up videoing them. How are people to know what you intend doing with your videos. We, the public only get see your edited footage.what you people are really filming is something else.
They are there to find criminality in what you're doing and copsplain to excuse behaviour You DON'T have to understand the other view and they have no right to apologise for that They have not 'been alright' You must be nuts. Thumbs down You've been made to justify lawful behaviour You never asked them were you being detained. Terrible audit They're going to go away thinking they owned you
Had a privacy complaint probably off Karen, so anyone have any tips how to challenge it, if not I may have to blur her out but I’ll put some imagery on Twitter @TGAGwentAuditor but yeah any tips would be appreciated otherwise faces will be blurred in this video from tonight
Do a repeat trip, stay on public land and just video all day 👌
Proper Karen, if they left you alone nothing would have happened 🤷🏼♂️
As for tips... As far as I'm aware privacy rules usually regard name, address and other more uniquely identifiable information, opposed to just what they look like. They go out in public and work in a public facing environment so their face wouldn't fall under the privacy rule.
Could add more context to the video if you subject access request all information they processed about you, emails, any reports, including all cctv of you that day 👌
@@jjthumbs13051 Exactly
@@jjthumbs13051 Yeah I've requested the CCTV
@@jjthumbs13051 This is true, however the privacy thing here is from the UA-cam rule book of killing joy.
Great police work, the policeman with the navy mask knows his stuff! 👌
Bloke filming is an absolute knob. Clearly hasn’t got anything else better to do than harass people at their work, how very sad
Thank god someone in this comment section has some sense!
Says somebody who got nothing better to do than watch you tube videos they don't like? If you think that's harassing then you are a snowflake as well. Get a grip it's a man with a camera, doing a legal activity. When did people in this once great country become so weak and pathetic, and so mardy arsed!
This helps the auditer by adding a coments & improves the circulation of these vidz. Well done.
I hate TFW services, they are consistently unreliable and a let down… the staff are literally useless with no customer service skills. I felt for you dealing with this lot.
They are awful nowadays swear they were better in the Arriva days. But yeah entitled cow and ignorant arseholes who think everyone else is wrong and they are right
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA you made a fool of yourself
Grantham Rose Think you’re the fool tbh, and they are fools for not respecting people filming and photographing, I was doing nothing wrong I would’ve been happy just to walk through up to the platforms and filmed the trains if they’d only left me to it
@@cowardsallaround98 he remained polite and attempted to stand up for his rights. If you think that makes him a fool, you're wrong.
Her (Karen) logic is flawed.
Bylaws are there to be used where applicable and appropriate. I see so many rules on the transport systems broken every day.
She just escalated it is all.
So let me get this straight. That buffon of a ticket collector wanted you to WALK home for all she knows.
I truly hope she is outed for what she is.
.....I'm sure she must drive in to work 🙄
I would have asked for Karen to be arrested for her sexist comments of calling you "LOVELY" all the time, unless she was thinking of you covered in BBQ sauce and served up medium-rare with a plate of chips hahahaha
And you blur out your own name! Won’t even show your identity to your ‘fans.’ Can’t believe so many people are agreeing with him. Scary.
As a photographer and railway enthusiast I absolutely support the rights of individuals to take photographs in public locations including on the railway.
I also support understand that police, security and railway staff don’t always understand the laws and rules which govern photography in public places.
Having said all of this, I have concerns about “auditing” as the auditor must know the rules and behave in an impartial and consistent way. I think the nature of this filming is just unusual and so any staff or onlookers just won’t understand what’s happening.
She has ideas above her station and she was just using that passenger as an excuse, her sole reason for refusing you travel was vindictiveness and revenge because you never listened to her
She does, she’s a entitled cow
Andy - Was that deliberate?..."above her station", LOL
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA
Gwent trouble maker
And for filming to. All wrong
@@cowardsallaround98 troll
6. Unacceptable behaviour
(1) No person shall use any threatening, abusive, obscene or offensive language
on the railway.
(2) No person shall behave in a disorderly, indecent or offensive manner on the
railway.
(3) No person shall write, draw, paint or fix anything on the railway.
(4) No person shall soil any part of the railway.
(5) No person shall damage or detach any part of the railway.
(6) No person shall spit on the railway.
(7) No person shall drop litter or leave waste on the railway.
(8) No person shall molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience of
any person on the railway.
I don't see any mention of filming in that list; therefore, the Officer ejected him on a false premise.
@@martinsanders6124 The railway is private property with public access and governed by the Railway Byelaws. He was legally asked to stop filming, refused to comply with their request and was ejected from the station by BTP for breach of Section6. Secondly, contrary to what he says he did not comply with the Guidelines for Rail Enthusiasts and finally under Section 24 he can be moved with reasonable force by security. What bit don't you understand?
@@fredfoto7362 Not a single point in the list refers to filming. Therefore, he did not act contrary to any rules, therefore there was no premise to eject him from the station.
What part don't you understand?
@@martinsanders6124
It doesn't have to specifically refer to "Filming" however _"interference with the comfort of any person"_ certainly would cover filming in various circumstances.
@@B-26354 My understanding is that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in a train station, as it's a public building, i.e., publicly accessible by anyone.
However, there is a reasonable expectation of privacy when someone is in their home own.
Would you not agree?
Look...we're all masked up! We're SO virtuous.
That lady contradicted herself on so many occasions and clearly was looking to make TGAs life difficult through retaliation.
Absolutely no de-escalation from her and no customer friendly approach when TGA was in fact the victim of threatening behaviour to start with.
Which is a point really, if TGA was threatened by a member of the public where staff witness it and refuse to act to remove the man committing a public order offence, is TGA not justified to record for his own safety within that area.
Also, by refusing travel she now allowed TGA to potentially remain in the presence of a man who threatened violence against TGA.
She did not ask if we agree to you to allow you to travel will you please not record. She instead made presumption that TGA will record and distress people and on that basis refused travel.
Such an embarrassment to Cardiff Station and not a good example of customer service.
Exactly, I’ve put this in a complaint against her to TfW let’s hope they take it seriously
The auditor did nothing wrong by filming and to not let him travel is a joke
Is rights cannot be stoped because of feelings.
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA Mate you have extraordinary patience to listen to her nagging for 30 mins.
Martin Sanders I know she was so pathetic
Haha she says in reference to that guy threatening violence ‘everyone is allowed to say that and express themselves’. You cant make it up. Also first thing she said was you went up to her shooting your mouth off. You did no such thing. She was so passive aggressive telling her story to the police.
Why would you refuse travel for filming .. she needs sacking
That station was full of freaks.
Too right
Flaming hell what a Karen. Before long are we all supposed to walk about wearing a blindfold or with our eyes closed.It’s getting unreal. It’s completely looney tunes. I think the privacy complaint was put in because it shows how stupid she is. Good vid TGA.
Thanks
1:00 A private building has no bearing on being able to take pictures of it. Section 62 of the Copyright Design and Patents Act 1988 says that it's legal.
Thank you
Section 33, Criminal Justice Act 1972, for the definition of “public place” in section 9(1) of the M1 Public Order Act 1936 there shall be substituted-
“Public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise ”.
@@grahamtaylor3349 Also section 1(4) of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 and quite a few other places in legislation. Occurs so often that it's a legally defined term. Also has case law such as Knox v Anderton to back it up.
OK Karen what about all the video cameras/cctv that are currently filming what's the difference between them and yourself.
You cannot talk sense to brain dead people like her they only go on their feelings not facts.
CCTV cameras are actually regulated under law - you're also entitled to see footage of yourself as well as part of the Data Protection act - that includes private CCTV held by private businesses/companies, This is all regulated by the Information Commissioners Office.
It isn't at all the same to compare the two.
@@B-26354 Yes, but cctv is still filming everyone without asking anybody's permission to be filmed, and we do not get a say in that at all. GWR are only franchise operators, Network rail own the station, they state online they happily allow and encourage people to film inside their stations and on the platforms. Don't film security cameras or any other security measures that are in place.
@@scruffyalice-ff5pz
Regardless the two aren't comparable and it annoys me when auditors pull this fast one with people.
CCTV is regulated in law and you're entitled to request copies of footage under the DPA.
Auditors can do whatever they want with their footage and aren't actually regulated at all (unless of course they're a limited company - which many are but don't actually comply with the DPA.)
She had more chins that brain cells.
Too right she did haha I was in my right mind to say jog on fatty but I was trying to persuade BTP to allow me to travel
But who ended up walking to bus!! Lol
very poor from TGA I think. Just f**kin tell her she can't ask you to stop filming instead of making excuses. Simple.
Exactly he did nothing wrong feeling cannot stop his rights end of.
A man with a camera
all train spoters should b locked up for 10 years min
Good polite audit if anything too polite as it gave karen the upperhand and she seemed to be dominating you. Just one question if you were certain you were in the right regards the laws why not stand your ground or at the very least put in a complaint.
Because the railways have byelaws, and if you start getting aggressive or disorderly it’s a breach of those byelaws, plus a bunch of other byelaws, so I was sticking within the byelaws and the woman wouldn’t bloody shut up
TGA but you did nothing wrong
You did not break any laws.
Because you are filming should not stop you to travel.
Feeling cannot stop you doing a lawful activity.
Train spotting you do not need permission OK it the proper thing to do but it's not law.
Hope you complained to head office about Karen's conduct towards you.
Because he did contravene sec 8 of the railway bylaw... . Read it
Sec 6(8)
The first guy was right, the private land owners place silver discs within the pavement when construction is taking place. This allows them to close that part of the pavement without council authority, for maintenance etc.
Ah right, the Karen was completely wrong though and why BTP decided to take her side in the end after initially saying I should be free to travel I don’t know
By the way, the tannoy is patronising and annoying. Directives like..."don't leave your belongings on the train"! Really!?
These two security bods ‘O’dear!
If her jurisdiction is DOWNSTAIRS then how can she be upstairs telling you you can't catch a train?
And she said we can stop anybody catching a train even if they have done nothing wrong, and we don't need a reason at all?
It's a fucking camera! Calm down! Nothing happens when you take a picture - NOTHING!|
When you make a claim against them give them a choice cough up or sack the person responsible to teach them a lesson. Its about time that the individuals take responsibility for their actions. May be then she'll learn not to make things up when dealing with the public if she ever gets another job as any employer that see's this will instantly backlist her from any job interview for being thick (and that's putting it politely).
I'd also have at the end when they said are we all happy with that for you to be evicted you should have said no, but that you would leave only if you were under threat of arrest. I hope TFW have seen this. May be link the video on the TFW Facebook page.
I have sent a long worded complaint against the individual to TfW
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA She called for action. So its her Karenness that instigated you being held for nearly an hour.
It's people like her that would see an innocent man burned under tyres in the third world where a shout in the crowd calls out so many white knights. 🙄
They would only sack her if she did a gross misconduct but not understanding the rules or bylaws is just a retraining at best.
That’s the last person I would want to see if I was filming
She's not a Karen, she's a young woman who debates her points far, far better than you and she wiped the floor with you. Calling her Karen is just sour grapes.
She is though, she’s a bad person for infringing on my rights and acting like a snowflake
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA How immature are you? She is not a bad person, grow up.
@@mrteroo8953 ok mr tesco
She is a LIAR! She just talked over him all the time, and kept lying. The first interaction was recorded, and her lies exposed, that is why she has complained. She was caught out lying. She also said she can refuse anyone travel, even if they have done nothing wrong, and she does not like the look of them.
They obviously havent got enough body worn equipment on!
If they do not want to be on film get rid of the CCTV and Bodycams
Sounds like she knew someone that looked at the rules once, then used her feelings make up rules
Petty small minded power crazed 🤪
What a terrible way they treat their CUSTOMERS?!?!?
Yeah it’s disgusting doesn’t seem to be much customer service on the railways anymore
Small minded? - That was the only thing that was small about Karen!
Top Cat haha too true, think she needs to lay off the Maccies
Too right
i loves your audits mate, nice to see a auditor from Gwent, Hello from Cwmbran :)
Thanks so much man, not finished with Cwmbran yet haha, got more to audit there
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA can't wait to see the audits :)
Hello Cwmbran from Cwmbran
he said ..the filming and things like that ..what r things like that ?
Does karen know, the police are filming her.
Didn’t the SS guards at the camps use that excuse.
You should complain about this feeling do not affect your rights youcan film anything or anyone in public from a public place. She cannot stop you from travel. You done nothing wrong .
You should complain you done nothing wrong
I would write to the railway company.
The railways is a public place
You need to get tougher and stronger you got over whelmed
There wrong you done nothing wrong and I would Defford not blur Karen out for stopping your travel.
Are kopz now the film filth at the beck & call of Karens.😮
Rail enthusiasts have no problem for one simple reason, why get permission first. Railway stations are private property, and so filming is at the owner's or owner's agent's discretion.
Yeah, the thing is though there is actually guidelines posted on Network Rail’s website for Filming and Photography which state no permit or permission is required and the byelaws have nothing to prohibit Filming or Photography either, so don’t defend the idiot of a woman.
Understand this, if you’re making a video as a train enthusiast you’re likely going to pass through and visit multiple stations in one day and you aren’t always sure which ones so it’s not possible to get permission from every one
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It isn't a network rail station though ,its a Transport for Wales Station.
Their policy states:-
_"We recognise that there is significant interest in filming on our network and we will always try to accommodate such requests."_
_"As the railway is a safety critical environment, all filming requests on our trains and stations must be supervised, with requests submitted to us with 14 days’ notice."_
You needed permission to film according to the TfW policy.
B-263-54 That’s ridiculous must be regarding commercial filming, so I’m going to carry on filming for trainspotting purposes just do it more discretely at train stations in future
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It's on their website.
You can't just dismiss something because you disagree with it and then try to quote sources from other rail operators to try and justify your position.
I'm fairly neutral when it comes to these kinds of videos but you have no right to film on other people's property without their permission. By your own logic you would be able to walk into the pub down the road and film everyone inside without the landlord being able to throw you out and 'bar' you.
Which is a ridiculous mindset to take.
I don't see the problem with someone with a camera on the railway a few years ago the BBC did a series on the railways and no one objected and it was very educational and interesting.
Rwy’n wedi diflasu ar bobl sy’n cael problem fawr gyda ffilmio pan yn sefyll dan sawl camerau TCC eu hunain.
I’m bored of people who have a big issue with filming whilst standing under several CCTV cameras themselves.
We can see why she didn't want to be filmed...
... all that meat, and no potatoes.
Haha
And yet I watch the silauron security guards bullying, intimidating and humiliating people practically on every train journey I take these days I’d rather walk hope you got a refund and request the cctv it’ll be funny 😂
You ain't going to train spot in the foyer of the station. You turn out to be just another RRC.
Railway Enthuasiasm, that’s what people don’t get
RRC?
"We're just doin our job luv" Was she dragged up or did she go to school?
OMG!!!!!! a camera!!!!!
They don't want anything recorded that might be shown in court. People just aren't used to cameras that can prove they're in the wrong and they've been getting away with it for decades. Security, get with the reality...your lies are OVER. Typical call to Dispatch..."He's behaving aggressively" camera shows otherwise...enquiry follows... nothing to see here. I call total BS.
Cardiff Central station is private property with public access, managed by TFW and governed by the railway byelaws. Putting that to one side and reviewing the Guidelines for Rail Enthusiasts, requests enthusiasts to inform the duty manager of their presence and I guess that would have brought the audit to a stop. This issue may provoke TFW to put their own policy together for photography as the NSPCC has.
It's owned by Network Rail, TFW own a franchise to run train services. Tfw can not put their own policies in place above Network Rail, who online say they approve filming on all their stations, and station platforms. she also said she can refuse travel to anyone, even if they have done nothing wrong, just because she can.
This day and age people are PARANOID.
Nice gunt...... if you like that sort of thing.
Oooooo camera...black magic mun. We in Wales dont understand such things!
I think she wants BTP to come...I mean she said it at least 5 times so...
😂😂😂😂😂
I'd love to see these goons with a real threat! They'd sht their pants.
'Cysur Heddlu!' - There's Twp!
Scruffy pair these two dreadful attitude and behaviour.
BTP always tend to be quite polite on these kind of videos.
Usually, didn’t like the one officer completely agreeing with everything that Karen said though
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He hasn't got much of a choice, the railway byelaws are pretty watertight when it comes to people being asked to leave etc.
Railway stations are probably one of the worst places to do any kind of auditing next to airports and sea ports because they're so well regulated with specific pieces of law.
B-263-54 it’s not right I don’t think, especially with a lot of people including myself being interested in trains and the railways in general
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Right but train spotting is entirely on the terms of the railway staff, they could ask you to leave and you'd have to leave that is a specific byelaw on the railway, if you refused to leave you'd be liable for prosecution. You were refused travel in this instance which is what the byelaws allow railway staff to do - if you had refused to leave the railway the police have a power to remove you.
Personally it isn't worth arguing with staff or causing a scene, railways aren't a street corner they're places of heavy industry and transport, totally different to say a park or pavement.
Staff may tolerate filming trains because those types of people have always existed (spotters) staff however will take umbridge to being filmed on camera or someone walking around the station building filming.
At the end of the day the station building is privately owned, you can't just impose yourself on others property.
You have grounds for a civil case against TFW services. For the trespass against the person, the harassment, the calling of police which escalated a situation which the bylaws allow, the attitude of the staff against you, your human rights, and probably a few more. Pile it on. And go for £435, and nice odd number which looks like you've worked it out. A simple letter before claim which you can write yourself might suffice. If TFW decide to let it go to court, it's up to you if you get a solicitor but when you win, you'll get your costs covered.
I’ve made a complaint against her with TfW, if I went straight in with a claim against TfW themselves, who are a large railway operator with Welsh Government ownership and funding, chances are I would end up with hefty court fees and losing to TfW, so better to take it up with TfW directly regarding the individual
Out of interest what part of the 'human rights act' covers filming on private property?
B-263-54 Exactly it doesn’t so no one can stop you from filming on those grounds
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The Human Rights Act doesn't prohibit anything, it sets out HUMAN RIGHTS alot like the US Constitution sets out specific rights/freedoms.
For example Article 2 of the Human Rights Act protects your right to life. Article 3 Protects you from Torture etc.
There is no Human Right that protects filming on someone else's property, it isn't a human right, which should be common sense - land owners however have rights in law found in common law - aka they get to decide who can stay on their property.
The original poster doesn't actually know what they're talking about, they are simply posting up their opinion and making themselves sound informed.
@@B-26354 Thank you, that's your opinion.
There isn't anything specific about filming, just as there isn't anything specific about the right to hop on one leg. There is nothing in law that says photography is a restricted activity. So there is nothing that can be done by anyone to restrict it.
Owners can put up various rules about conduct and activities on or in their properties, but they need to have a valid reason. So restricting photography in a private business is valid because of confidentiality and commercial secrets. But restricting photography in areas regularly used by the public is not valid and is too restrictive. It's like the rules that men should wear shirts when inside a shopping mall - and such rules are even more stupid when the shopping mall is next to a beach.
The rights of land owners is absolute when the public aren't allowed on to it. But when the public are allowed on to the land, then owner's rights are very restricted. They have to ensure the safety of the public, and can be sued if a MotP does something stupid and has an accident such as slipping on a banana and the owner didn't do anything about it.
Human rights laws are generally about what the state can't do to it's subjects. But they do also extend to corporate bodies and other organisations. So an employer placing restrictions on their employee's activities when they are not working is tantamount to a breach of their human rights
Im going to try again
Such a lot of fuss q d time wasting by these people for what?
Fucking sad life this guy got imagine doing this as a job ,mum be proud but
What the BTP Officer I’m confused who you are referring to?
Why are so many people supporting this man? Just aggravating people doing there job. Skimmed through a few of your videos now and no one in them has done any wrong. This women is NOT a Karen. You should be ashamed of yourself going to people and harassing them at there job and then not giving people your UA-cam name or channel or video evidence because you know you’re in the wrong. Shameful.
British Transport allow filming
Haha jog on haha
What is the actual point in what you do? You don’t actually do anything useful, all I see is you purposely agitating adults doing their job.
Dreadful body language from these two.Aggressive totally disinterested. Need re-training.
Nice attempt of hiding her face 🙄 no privacy what's so ever be nice if you was actually videoing trains or whatever your hobby is but no you was harrasing the staff.
It’s all blurred
It goes to show from the start of the video that nobody wants odd balls with their faces covered up videoing them. How are people to know what you intend doing with your videos. We, the public only get see your edited footage.what you people are really filming is something else.
Um, the station? Don’t see an issue with that do you? Disgrace someone discrediting what we do using AB’s real name
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA My name is similar, but not the same.
They are there to find criminality in what you're doing and copsplain to excuse behaviour
You DON'T have to understand the other view and they have no right to apologise for that
They have not 'been alright'
You must be nuts.
Thumbs down
You've been made to justify lawful behaviour
You never asked them were you being detained.
Terrible audit
They're going to go away thinking they owned you
www.networkrail.co.uk/communities/railway-enthusiasts/guidelines-for-taking-photos-at-stations/