So true. If I write what I want for an assignment, I’ll get a C. If I write what they want to hear, I get an easy A. Super frustrating. I’m paying to learn and to expand my mind - yet - this is the result.
Understanding a problem is a good thing, then the next step is finding a solution. With creative minds outta the box =)) Educational reform draft, developing tools for educators to directly create and implement that draft while eliminating educational bureaucrats, legal proposals for enforcement of the reform projects, something like that. But yeah, problem definition goes first. Interesting topic, thanks.
I am from a third-world country and here we have a preconceived notion that anybody who is proficient in English is smart and knows what they are doing. It amazes me that when I find people arguing over stupid stuff on the internet and these are the people that hold the college degrees. Another thing is I have met a lot of smart people that dropped out of colleges because of circumstances and they are doing just as good but just don't bother getting involved.
It's a little bit cliché tho...it's been said so many times. It's obviously a plus in somebody's life to learn and know at least the basic stuff : reading, writing, counting ! And with that, nothing prevents you from thinking critically or be creative in your teen or adult years. You talk of school and teachers as if they were autoritarian surrogates...teachers get persecuted and ass whooped by their own students nowadays. Nobody ever said that what i was learning was gospel but that being said, in order to learn anything at all in the beginning, one has to give it some value and some truth...Kids aren't psychologicaly ready to cope with the idea that facts aren't set in Stone and prone to be understood differently depending on the way we conceptualize the world...plus, try to teach to a class of 30 overactive Kids, and let see what are your thoughts about obedience afterwards...you ll lose your shit in no time
It seems to have rubbed off on you. Chris is trying to teach how to think differently and you are disrupting the class. It really depends what school you went to to understand what she is talking about. Some people will disagree without ever understanding because all they were taught is what she talks about here. Like at university I studied mechanical engineering. Yet after 3 years I had learnt absolutely nothing about mechanical engineering. It was really frustrating. The purpose was literally to pass the exam, study the material taught which was extremelely basic, nothing that would have made you be able to design a car or a rocket or anything like that. That was not the purpose, the purpose was just to get a good grade and then get a good job, where one would have to relearn everything all over in whichever industry one ended up in, which would obviously not have been covered once in the course material. Employers were more interested in how well you could study, learn and then replicate what you had learnt. You could even pass an exam to some extent without understanding what you were copying. I was however quite lucky to have gone to a great school before this that covered all kinds of subjects in great depth for me to know how well students could be taught, including religion, which I didn't like too much and just made me become an atheist - because it had been taught to me so well I ended up understanding religion better than most religious people that just follow the bible like sheep without understanding the basics the bible is all about or some of the stories in the bible that would be completely illegal and frowned upon these days because they had never actually been taught the subject properly. Most religious people are completely oblivious to some of the stories in the bible and just use it as an excuse to behave in a certain way on a daily basis. Most of the time not even in a morally good way either sadly which I think should be the main purpose of the bible - to make people behave better in society and not act like overactive kids with no moral values.
Most people don't want to "think for themselves". They are way more lazy than you think. And of which education system are you talking about? Depends on the country, I'd say. Obeying isn't very common at the moment in western countries. Go and ask teachers in any European country. Every society needs some rules, like rules for traffic for example. You can't go without. I don't see sheep. I see lazy people (lazy in their minds) and I see thoughtful people. Bashing everyone won't help.
"Lazy" is just an aggressive label to put people down, there's no laziness: there's a lack of motivation with multiple different reasons. Understanding those reasons leads to possible solutions, what could make society more free, happy and creative.
So, your argument is that being educated is not a guarantee of being an autonomous, critical thinker (well, okay) and conclude that this means that it is designed so that this is the outcome. Back to school methinks.
Are you smart or educated?
Totally true!
Thanks so much, I am glad you agree.
So true. If I write what I want for an assignment, I’ll get a C. If I write what they want to hear, I get an easy A. Super frustrating. I’m paying to learn and to expand my mind - yet - this is the result.
Yeah, having to pay a lot of money to satisfy a teacher’s ego and get no actual education in return is indeed frustrating.
Chris, the education system creates obedient SHEEP 100%! 😭 P.S. Big up to the mini xmas tree in the background 🥹
Aww, thanks Jo! I love my mini Christmas tree 🥰
Understanding a problem is a good thing, then the next step is finding a solution. With creative minds outta the box =))
Educational reform draft, developing tools for educators to directly create and implement that draft while eliminating educational bureaucrats, legal proposals for enforcement of the reform projects, something like that.
But yeah, problem definition goes first. Interesting topic, thanks.
I think the future of education is home schooling using the internet, and probably standardized tests in person once in a while.
I am from a third-world country and here we have a preconceived notion that anybody who is proficient in English is smart and knows what they are doing. It amazes me that when I find people arguing over stupid stuff on the internet and these are the people that hold the college degrees. Another thing is I have met a lot of smart people that dropped out of colleges because of circumstances and they are doing just as good but just don't bother getting involved.
That's so interesting! Thanks for commenting!
It's a little bit cliché tho...it's been said so many times. It's obviously a plus in somebody's life to learn and know at least the basic stuff : reading, writing, counting ! And with that, nothing prevents you from thinking critically or be creative in your teen or adult years. You talk of school and teachers as if they were autoritarian surrogates...teachers get persecuted and ass whooped by their own students nowadays. Nobody ever said that what i was learning was gospel but that being said, in order to learn anything at all in the beginning, one has to give it some value and some truth...Kids aren't psychologicaly ready to cope with the idea that facts aren't set in Stone and prone to be understood differently depending on the way we conceptualize the world...plus, try to teach to a class of 30 overactive Kids, and let see what are your thoughts about obedience afterwards...you ll lose your shit in no time
It seems to have rubbed off on you. Chris is trying to teach how to think differently and you are disrupting the class.
It really depends what school you went to to understand what she is talking about. Some people will disagree without ever understanding because all they were taught is what she talks about here.
Like at university I studied mechanical engineering. Yet after 3 years I had learnt absolutely nothing about mechanical engineering. It was really frustrating. The purpose was literally to pass the exam, study the material taught which was extremelely basic, nothing that would have made you be able to design a car or a rocket or anything like that. That was not the purpose, the purpose was just to get a good grade and then get a good job, where one would have to relearn everything all over in whichever industry one ended up in, which would obviously not have been covered once in the course material. Employers were more interested in how well you could study, learn and then replicate what you had learnt. You could even pass an exam to some extent without understanding what you were copying.
I was however quite lucky to have gone to a great school before this that covered all kinds of subjects in great depth for me to know how well students could be taught, including religion, which I didn't like too much and just made me become an atheist - because it had been taught to me so well I ended up understanding religion better than most religious people that just follow the bible like sheep without understanding the basics the bible is all about or some of the stories in the bible that would be completely illegal and frowned upon these days because they had never actually been taught the subject properly. Most religious people are completely oblivious to some of the stories in the bible and just use it as an excuse to behave in a certain way on a daily basis. Most of the time not even in a morally good way either sadly which I think should be the main purpose of the bible - to make people behave better in society and not act like overactive kids with no moral values.
Religion and the Bible is a great example, thanks so much for pointing that out.
@@tomfurmby88 Disrupting the class?! You mean engaging critically with what teacher says. Oh dear.
Most people don't want to "think for themselves". They are way more lazy than you think. And of which education system are you talking about? Depends on the country, I'd say. Obeying isn't very common at the moment in western countries. Go and ask teachers in any European country. Every society needs some rules, like rules for traffic for example. You can't go without. I don't see sheep. I see lazy people (lazy in their minds) and I see thoughtful people. Bashing everyone won't help.
Agreed - there is no use bashing education as a cry for more "smart" people - reminds me of needing to see the difference between "smart" and "wise".
"Lazy" is just an aggressive label to put people down, there's no laziness: there's a lack of motivation with multiple different reasons. Understanding those reasons leads to possible solutions, what could make society more free, happy and creative.
So, your argument is that being educated is not a guarantee of being an autonomous, critical thinker (well, okay) and conclude that this means that it is designed so that this is the outcome. Back to school methinks.