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World War 2 | Why are people obsessed with the war? | Today | 1972 | Part 2
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2019
- Part two of a studio debate chaired by Bill Grundy asks why people today, particularly the younger generation are still obsessed with the Second World War.
Participants of this debate include.
Leonard Cheshire V.C
Claire Rayner
Rosie Boycott
And 'Dads army' creator Jimmy Perry
First shown: 22/09/1972
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Thanks for uploading this Thames . Very interesting . My father was in the Far East in WW2 . He didn't talk about his experiences , a lot of that generation didn't either . So it was all a bit of a mystery for younger people . We only had rather bland explanations in so called history books and war films ! .
Massive respect for Russel Braddon. He lived it. We are obliged to listen to him.
Good to see a discussion panel without the clapping seals who applaud contradictory statements all the time
No more brother wars.
As in kid growing up in the 70s, reminders of WW2 were everywhere. The TV was full of Colditz, Secret Army, Dad's Army, It Ain't Half Hot Mum, The World at War and endless war films like the Great Escape and The Dambusters. Add to that the number of surviving veterans sill in their 50s or early 60s. We made model kits of WW2 weapons and played at war in the playground and the woods. I suspect that as Britain fell into temporary decline the war was something people used as a benchmark for the country's former greatness.
What a refreshing platform, the host asking questions of the audience.
Oh the casual smoking... Such a different world back then.
Russell Braddon wrote a fantastic book, The Naked Island, on his time in a Japanese POW camp.
Noid111Read it. Great book and account.
Where is Johnny Rotten to highlight the nastiness of Mr. G.
In my opinion people should just forget about World War 2 and focus on the present
The Vietnam War once the US pulled out by 75 changed Hollywood forever. No more of the glorified war movies even on WW2 and the majority of the war films depicting the Vietnam War except Green Berrets are bleak anti war films that aren’t cliched or goodies versus baddies. Much more rounded. Yet at the same time Star Wars and sci films that followed went down this route with what those 50s and 60s WW2 films proported or represented! Fascinating!
War is a stupid business but sometimes it is unavoidable! Many are religious which is a contradiction where wars are concerned because most wars are fought by people that have different religious views. Religion should be based on love but for the most part, it is based on intolerance. It's all bloody ridiculous really! If we don't learn from our mistakes, we are doomed to repeat them. Being reminded repeatedly of past conflicts and their aftermath is a good thing because it reminds us that we should try to avoid wars if at all possible. However, sometimes we need men like Lenard Cheshire to go out and fight for the common good. Unfortunately, many have died so that the world can become a better place! In theory, it works. Unfortunately, in practice, it is a pipedream. Still, we can but hope!
If people were adamantly disgusted by war as opposed to obsessed then perhaps we would avoid future wars. Sadly we still have leaders that are more than prepared to create and support them. The human race will eventually fall under a final conflict this much is certain. It’s in our nature.
Lighting up at 1:50...haha
The background of what was going on in the world when the Today programme was made and the guests opinions I think are influenced by what was going on. Certainly the Cold War and the quiet constant possibility of a nuclear bomb, the Vietnam War was raging, the War between India and Pakistan, the Arab Israeli conflict, I’m also not sure wether the Munich Olympics had happened when the Today programme aired. The troubles in Northern Ireland and Bloody Sunday again I’m not sure if the Today programme had aired by then. Britain was spiralling into a recession and a three day week plus there were other awful negative things happening in the world. I wonder if that was the point of the programme. That with all that raging in the world Hollywood was still making positive yet cliched black and white goodies versus baddies depictions of WW2 and that the tv channels were airing the older WW2 films that suffer from these issues that is the reason for the concern, debate and why Grundy and the Today programme chose this subject. One thing the majority of millennials don’t know. At the time definatley the men who fought in the war never ever talked about what they went through and most of the older men, women and children who experienced the war on the home front didn’t talk about it! The survivors of the Holocaust hadn’t started to talk yet about the awful things they suffered! That’s also a big point!
Raphael Rau Anyone else understood a word of this?
Isn’t this Today programme that inspired Thames television and Jeremy Issacs to make the seminal documentary and interview series on World War Two which is called the World At War?! Because that’s the series where the men and women really opened up from the private’s through to prime ministers and in every side. The ice breaker so to speak and it’s the bench mark series on WW2. That changed things.
I did not know that. I am finding this fascinating
The series was called The World at War . It's on DVD these days . I've seen parts of it on TV.
About 1972 I was obsessed with ww2, reading all the comics, wanting toy guns and playing soldiers. Now in my 50's I see war as a crock of shit that uses young men as pawns for political ends
Terribly sad to think that Nicholas Tomalin was killed only a year afterwards while on assignment in Israel.
Lol youth are interested in war because it’s a subconscious rite of passage, especially for young men. How would I react etc., which is why Full Metal Jacket is so powerful to men. One of the young men was trying to express that but was cut off by the questioning host. Whether that’s good or bad is immaterial.
Pretty sure Jimmy Perry would have voted for Brexit, and for Boris. They don't like it up'em do they! Vichy France, Pierre Labelle. There's some bedtime reading.
How Bill Grundy ever got a job in television is beyond me.
steve hunt Bill was great in this. A TV legend.
@@philipcurnow7990 he's awful- doesn't know how to relate to people. The pistols had his card marked.
"Conflict is the essence of entertainment". Claire Rayner. May she Rest In Peace. War is crap.
Perhaps the most extreme example of banality I’ve ever seen.