Regarding slave revolts in Dark Elf society - in “Total War: Warhammer” lore there is a tribe of orcs and goblins that actually does stage a successful revolt on land. They establish a minor faction known as Broken Chainz. So, not all slave revolts are doomed to failure.
The dark elves have the most bizarre society of all, it's seems even more alien than the northern humans that worship chaos. It's a miracle how they keep themselves alive and don't self destruct.
Chrysaetos11 I think the historical inspiration is the Assyrians. They are the only comparable example in real histroy of warfare and cruelty exalted for their own sake.
Thank you for the information! I just watched a video about the inspection of fictional cultures from real ones! "Overly Sarcastic Production" Thare video on "Planet of Hats."
With the Chaos Dwarves it's more an aesthetic, in the way that regular dwarves have a norse/scandinavian aesthethic, albiet an advanced and civilised one, as opposed to the norscans who have a more savage version of it. I think overall the dark elves are very much their own thing, based on what would happen if Tolkien elves ever became evil. That said Assyrians did have a certain amount in common to the dark elves. War and slavery were big things, as was projecting power through monuments and ritual. It was a society that abhorred weakness.
I listen to the lore videos for each faction when I play them. Lizardmen when playing Lizardmen. Skaven when playing skaven. Dark elves when playing dark elves.
Fun fact: Male Dark Elves are forbidden from learning magic, with a notable exception of the Doomfire Warlocks (cause they're cursed to have their souls devoured by She Who Thirsts unless they offer substitute souls). Why does Malekith forbid this. Mainly due to the Prophecy of Demise which reads as follows. "And lo, he shall rule with a dark hand and his shadow shall touch upon every land. Steel will be his skin and fire will be his blood, in hatred will he conquer all before him. No blade forged of Man, Dwarf or Elf shall endure him fear. Though will it come to pass that the firstborn son of noble blood shall rise to power. The child will be learned in the darkest arts and he will raise an army of terrible beasts. Thus will the Dark King fall, slain by neither blade nor arrow but by a sorcerous power of darkest magic and so shall his body be consumed in the flames and for all eternity burn." The Prophecy of Demise
I guess Games Workshop kinda forgot about that when they wrote end times. Seriously end times is just so bad they should retcon all of it and age of sigmar.
Yeah I just got into the whole thing myself with total war. I always liked fantasy settings though, but sucks that when I get into it and the lore of everyone and really started to dig into it I find they killed the whole setting off I was dumbfounded especially with the success of the total war and vermintide games. But do you think that the prophecy could have been about maliketh himself but as the one who would kill the dark lord or whatever. I mean fits the bill he could be either person in the prophecy
@@michealfiles166 I thought the same, With a bit of creative interpretation the 'Dark King' could easily be Aenearion and thus Malekith could be the son of noble blood (the 'firstborn' is the tricky part though)
@@michealfiles166 They canned fantasy due to comparatively low sales numbers on the miniature game. And it was entirely their own fault too. They made the rules for the last edition of warhammer so that large games would be more popular, and huge units(needing a ton of models) were the best options for most armies. On top of this they made one of the most unbalanced editions of the game ever. So people disliked playing 8th edition, and the cost of starting the game was through the roof so they didn't get many new players to sell models to. The CEO who was in charge when this happened also made the end times and AoS, but has since then left games workshop. So right now more competent people are pouring a ton of effort into AoS. As a result AoS is actually a pretty good tabletop wargame(and the setting is getting better), but it makes me sad to think that they could have fixed fantasy before shit-canning it.
Except that Malekith is the true Phoenix King, the flames of Asuryan seared him yes, but he did survive. All the later kings survived the flames by being protected by magic, not because Asuryan chose them to live like he did Malekith
@@ignacio4159 end of times is shit but it does prove the darkelf cause was right all along they were hard done by and were bitter about it so they became an extremist war cult to help achieve their aim
I’ve been trying to learn about these guys for a while. All I knew was that they were mean, had slaves, worshipped Khaine, liked killing, and liked being pirates. Okay that’s a lot but I didn’t know the story.
Bel-Shanaar apparently to the point of view of the DE committed suicide after witnessing the stone of destiny the Elven nobles accused Malekith of murder and when they jumped him he cut them all down by himself in self defense
cardboard box They’re extremely vicious even without a sword and shield. You can’t bribe/strike fear in them, they’re literally have the minds of machines. They were made for only one purpose, and enslaving them is difficult because all a Sarus will do is try to bite your face off, even if you whip him. I think the closest thing you could enslave safely is a skink... but not sure if they’re even worth the trouble since they’re tiny.
It should be straight up impossible to enslave a saurian. They would die in defiance before they follow orders of another faction. A slann would likely cooperate while trying to come up with a plan to escape. Not sure about skinks. They are more intelligent and have more of a free will than saurians so it me be possible to break their will and enslave them.
Yeah...even though I'm a bit new to Warhammer Fantasy lore, from what I understand of Lizardmen I just can't picture one being enslaved. They'd wear their paws to stumps trying to claw from their cells, would chew off their own hands and feet to slip out of shackles, would chomp at bars of steel past the point they no longer had any fangs left, and they would take ANY opportunity they could to kill one of their captors. It wouldn't eat and eventually die of starvation, too. And as for doing work? Absolutely not. Even if you went and said you could get around all those other issues, it would not cooperate. Ever. You can't break and cow a Lizardman. Their minds work in a way totally unique from the way every other sentient species does; they don't really have a concept of individual identity and even though they are aware and intelligent, they're not quite *self*-aware, so there's nothing you can do as far as harming the *self* via torture or other methods. Torture needs to trigger a 'selfish' instinct; being tortured to the point you're willing to 'sell out' and possibly hurt your species by aiding your own enemy if it means the torture will stop. Torture would never bring them to making that self-centric conclusion. If you really wanted to have a Lizardman of your own, you'd basically have to put it in a straight-jacket and throw it in a corner and occasionally force-feed it. It'd still probably find a way to escape, kill itself, die of starvation/thirst/asphyxiation, or kill you, but at least you'd have a lizardman of your very own for a few weeks.
Yeah I just got into the whole thing myself with total war. I always liked fantasy settings though, but sucks that when I get into it and the lore of everyone and really started to dig into it I find they killed the whole setting off I was dumbfounded especially with the success of the total war and vermintide games. But do you think that the prophecy could have been about maliketh himself but as the one who would kill the dark lord or whatever. I mean fits the bill he could be either person in the prophecy
It seems to never be explained how the dark elves changed so much. Those guys were high elves and proud and honourable warriors. Then they need forced labour cause none of them knows how to grow a tomato and they suddenly all become sadistic slavers who torture for fun and have a significant lack of common decency. Games Workshop should have made their lore more sophisticated. Let them use forced labour for their industry, which makes some dark elves go the extra step and just practice outright slavery. Morathi would influence the culture with her cults but for the most part the former Nagarythi lords would look at those cults and practises at least with scepticism and at most with disdain. But a few sour apples spoil the bunch. The dark elves could have the same reputation as they do now but actually it is just Morathi with her cults and a few dark elven lords loyal to her that practice cruel slavery and sadism, while most druchii are very similar to the asur and may use forced labour of prisoners of war to stay competitive but want nothing to do with torture.
Well said. It's similar on Elder scrolls online, the dunmer dark elves are more fleshed out in lore and society. Not all the dark elves houses of morrowind practice slavery. I wish they did the same on warhammer for the dark elves. They didn't have to make the dark elves all completely evil sadist pricks. It's a shame cause I love the dark elves faction the most.
So in Gotrek&Felix Giantslayer we got some POV chapters of Teclis. When he fights he noticed a darker cruel side of him. He even starts to laugh during a fight and enjoys the power he wields. He envys Tyrion for his perfect body and fighting skills (Teclis is deformed from birth but magic items helped him). So there is an other site of elves. The Drucci arnt genetical different, but the cruel and violent society which Malekith builds to support is reign appeals to another site of the elven nature. So its culture what made the Drucci that way. Alith Anar is a (descendant?) prince of Nargarythe but his family opposed Malekith. Edit: Answering a 3 year old comment xD
Hey jumbo you should add the elven pantheon video to the dark elf playlist,i think :D thanks so much for all this info, wish you did more of these, they're great!
there is a lot of lore there I wonder where you got it from. Some I didnt know and sounds true enough, all and all a good video I think, that said though at some point in the video you mention the most common raids are to Ulthuan and as far as I know that is not so. I belive I read it in the 1st malus book that while High elves are a good price their constant patrols around the island make it hard to raid there and its almost a suicide run unless they go in full force which is very rare (malus has to pay the raiders a lot of coin to convince them to go to ulthuan for those reasons).
@@zygimantassilobritas6034 I know the male soldiers wear armor but most of hte woman are fine with almost streaking, unless they let their tits harden like diamonds and use them as weapons
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Regarding slave revolts in Dark Elf society - in “Total War: Warhammer” lore there is a tribe of orcs and goblins that actually does stage a successful revolt on land. They establish a minor faction known as Broken Chainz.
So, not all slave revolts are doomed to failure.
Broken Chainz is such a badass name for a Greenskin tribe
Pretty sure that's an actual minor faction in the games too
The dark elves have the most bizarre society of all, it's seems even more alien than the northern humans that worship chaos. It's a miracle how they keep themselves alive and don't self destruct.
Chrysaetos11 I think the historical inspiration is the Assyrians. They are the only comparable example in real histroy of warfare and cruelty exalted for their own sake.
Thank you for the information! I just watched a video about the inspection of fictional cultures from real ones! "Overly Sarcastic Production" Thare video on "Planet of Hats."
i thought the chaos dwarfs were inspired by assyrians/babylonians. makes more sense
With the Chaos Dwarves it's more an aesthetic, in the way that regular dwarves have a norse/scandinavian aesthethic, albiet an advanced and civilised one, as opposed to the norscans who have a more savage version of it.
I think overall the dark elves are very much their own thing, based on what would happen if Tolkien elves ever became evil. That said Assyrians did have a certain amount in common to the dark elves. War and slavery were big things, as was projecting power through monuments and ritual. It was a society that abhorred weakness.
Chrysaetos11 they are just illogical people whose fate defies logic, so I don't follow anything to judge them.
Perfect ambient music. Love it. Great storytelling as well. Good voice. Thanks
I always rewatch Jumbo Thick vids when restarting my campaign
I always listen to these at work :)
I listen to the lore videos for each faction when I play them. Lizardmen when playing Lizardmen. Skaven when playing skaven. Dark elves when playing dark elves.
@@thegametroll6264 let me guess you listen to Empire when playing Empire?
@@ethanhopkins3263 don't care for empire.
Fun fact: Male Dark Elves are forbidden from learning magic, with a notable exception of the Doomfire Warlocks (cause they're cursed to have their souls devoured by She Who Thirsts unless they offer substitute souls). Why does Malekith forbid this. Mainly due to the Prophecy of Demise which reads as follows.
"And lo, he shall rule with a dark hand and his shadow shall touch upon every land. Steel will be his skin and fire will be his blood, in hatred will he conquer all before him. No blade forged of Man, Dwarf or Elf shall endure him fear. Though will it come to pass that the firstborn son of noble blood shall rise to power. The child will be learned in the darkest arts and he will raise an army of terrible beasts. Thus will the Dark King fall, slain by neither blade nor arrow but by a sorcerous power of darkest magic and so shall his body be consumed in the flames and for all eternity burn."
The Prophecy of Demise
I guess Games Workshop kinda forgot about that when they wrote end times.
Seriously end times is just so bad they should retcon all of it and age of sigmar.
Ancaps
Yeah I just got into the whole thing myself with total war. I always liked fantasy settings though, but sucks that when I get into it and the lore of everyone and really started to dig into it I find they killed the whole setting off I was dumbfounded especially with the success of the total war and vermintide games. But do you think that the prophecy could have been about maliketh himself but as the one who would kill the dark lord or whatever. I mean fits the bill he could be either person in the prophecy
@@michealfiles166 I thought the same, With a bit of creative interpretation the 'Dark King' could easily be Aenearion and thus Malekith could be the son of noble blood (the 'firstborn' is the tricky part though)
@@michealfiles166 They canned fantasy due to comparatively low sales numbers on the miniature game. And it was entirely their own fault too.
They made the rules for the last edition of warhammer so that large games would be more popular, and huge units(needing a ton of models) were the best options for most armies. On top of this they made one of the most unbalanced editions of the game ever.
So people disliked playing 8th edition, and the cost of starting the game was through the roof so they didn't get many new players to sell models to.
The CEO who was in charge when this happened also made the end times and AoS, but has since then left games workshop. So right now more competent people are pouring a ton of effort into AoS.
As a result AoS is actually a pretty good tabletop wargame(and the setting is getting better), but it makes me sad to think that they could have fixed fantasy before shit-canning it.
Except that Malekith is the true Phoenix King, the flames of Asuryan seared him yes, but he did survive. All the later kings survived the flames by being protected by magic, not because Asuryan chose them to live like he did Malekith
End times is shit
@@ignacio4159 End times is cool. Ironical, unusual and cool
@@ignacio4159 end of times is shit but it does prove the darkelf cause was right all along they were hard done by and were bitter about it so they became an extremist war cult to help achieve their aim
Still watching Warhammer lore in 2020. Great voice and storytelling!
But I genuinely don't understand what does WFRP 4th ed. stands for.
@@charbelyounes5188 Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Fourth Edition.
@@bializm5420 wow, I even forgot I commented this. Thank you
You are definitely my go to channel for lore. No edgy neckbeard accent just the facts and the lore.
Or the injecting of their neckbeard views of politics and feminism hot takes lol. They just can't help themselves, too socially inept
Oh god, the fact that I know who you’re talking about says so much.
@@jessecollins3652 Who are you guys talking about?
@@michaelstitt7178 Arch warhammer. He’s this weird LARPy neck beard who has some really cringe views on politics.
@@jessecollins3652 Thanks.
How to defeat a male Dark Elf army:
- Just force them to close ranks, their ridiculously spiky armors will do the restXD
17:25 Wow I didn't know dark elves have literal DINOSAURS for horses. They're so edgy I got a paper cut just typing their name.
They are called "Cold Ones". They tamed them from the northern Lustria. Lizardmen also use them as mounts.
I’ve been trying to learn about these guys for a while. All I knew was that they were mean, had slaves, worshipped Khaine, liked killing, and liked being pirates. Okay that’s a lot but I didn’t know the story.
Amazing lore videos man. When I looked I couldn't believe you didn't have more subscribers. These are great.
You deserve more subs! You always pump out enjoyable content
I admire the dark elves for their depravity.
EDGE FOR THE EDGELORD !
ANGST FOR THE ANGST THRONE !
Bel-Shanaar apparently to the point of view of the DE committed suicide after witnessing the stone of destiny the Elven nobles accused Malekith of murder and when they jumped him he cut them all down by himself in self defense
No mention of hithuan, hakseer cruises, retainership, and their treachery. Your content is great, no doubt. Perhaps a second video more in depth?
Warhammer fans are some of the most creative people I've ever met!!!
Do dark elves take lizard men has slaves? I've never heard of it happening but I'm not sure why they wouldn't.
cardboard box They’re extremely vicious even without a sword and shield. You can’t bribe/strike fear in them, they’re literally have the minds of machines. They were made for only one purpose, and enslaving them is difficult because all a Sarus will do is try to bite your face off, even if you whip him. I think the closest thing you could enslave safely is a skink... but not sure if they’re even worth the trouble since they’re tiny.
It should be straight up impossible to enslave a saurian. They would die in defiance before they follow orders of another faction. A slann would likely cooperate while trying to come up with a plan to escape. Not sure about skinks. They are more intelligent and have more of a free will than saurians so it me be possible to break their will and enslave them.
Yeah...even though I'm a bit new to Warhammer Fantasy lore, from what I understand of Lizardmen I just can't picture one being enslaved. They'd wear their paws to stumps trying to claw from their cells, would chew off their own hands and feet to slip out of shackles, would chomp at bars of steel past the point they no longer had any fangs left, and they would take ANY opportunity they could to kill one of their captors. It wouldn't eat and eventually die of starvation, too. And as for doing work? Absolutely not. Even if you went and said you could get around all those other issues, it would not cooperate. Ever. You can't break and cow a Lizardman. Their minds work in a way totally unique from the way every other sentient species does; they don't really have a concept of individual identity and even though they are aware and intelligent, they're not quite *self*-aware, so there's nothing you can do as far as harming the *self* via torture or other methods. Torture needs to trigger a 'selfish' instinct; being tortured to the point you're willing to 'sell out' and possibly hurt your species by aiding your own enemy if it means the torture will stop. Torture would never bring them to making that self-centric conclusion. If you really wanted to have a Lizardman of your own, you'd basically have to put it in a straight-jacket and throw it in a corner and occasionally force-feed it. It'd still probably find a way to escape, kill itself, die of starvation/thirst/asphyxiation, or kill you, but at least you'd have a lizardman of your very own for a few weeks.
Yeah I just got into the whole thing myself with total war. I always liked fantasy settings though, but sucks that when I get into it and the lore of everyone and really started to dig into it I find they killed the whole setting off I was dumbfounded especially with the success of the total war and vermintide games. But do you think that the prophecy could have been about maliketh himself but as the one who would kill the dark lord or whatever. I mean fits the bill he could be either person in the prophecy
I think it would be Teclis but in End times Teclis ironically was among the first Asur that supported him
@Lord Inquisitor Shadowlord Fer mor teef!
Do one on Vlad von Carstein.
Jumbo thick can you do one on the high elves
It seems to never be explained how the dark elves changed so much.
Those guys were high elves and proud and honourable warriors. Then they need forced labour cause none of them knows how to grow a tomato and they suddenly all become sadistic slavers who torture for fun and have a significant lack of common decency.
Games Workshop should have made their lore more sophisticated. Let them use forced labour for their industry, which makes some dark elves go the extra step and just practice outright slavery. Morathi would influence the culture with her cults but for the most part the former Nagarythi lords would look at those cults and practises at least with scepticism and at most with disdain.
But a few sour apples spoil the bunch. The dark elves could have the same reputation as they do now but actually it is just Morathi with her cults and a few dark elven lords loyal to her that practice cruel slavery and sadism, while most druchii are very similar to the asur and may use forced labour of prisoners of war to stay competitive but want nothing to do with torture.
Well said. It's similar on Elder scrolls online, the dunmer dark elves are more fleshed out in lore and society. Not all the dark elves houses of morrowind practice slavery. I wish they did the same on warhammer for the dark elves. They didn't have to make the dark elves all completely evil sadist pricks. It's a shame cause I love the dark elves faction the most.
So in Gotrek&Felix Giantslayer we got some POV chapters of Teclis. When he fights he noticed a darker cruel side of him. He even starts to laugh during a fight and enjoys the power he wields. He envys Tyrion for his perfect body and fighting skills (Teclis is deformed from birth but magic items helped him). So there is an other site of elves. The Drucci arnt genetical different, but the cruel and violent society which Malekith builds to support is reign appeals to another site of the elven nature. So its culture what made the Drucci that way. Alith Anar is a (descendant?) prince of Nargarythe but his family opposed Malekith.
Edit: Answering a 3 year old comment xD
These videos are superb. Keep it going bro.
Hey jumbo you should add the elven pantheon video to the dark elf playlist,i think :D thanks so much for all this info, wish you did more of these, they're great!
Quality. Subbed
This is really cool! Crazy how much this world has in common with LOTR...
there is a lot of lore there I wonder where you got it from. Some I didnt know and sounds true enough, all and all a good video I think, that said though at some point in the video you mention the most common raids are to Ulthuan and as far as I know that is not so. I belive I read it in the 1st malus book that while High elves are a good price their constant patrols around the island make it hard to raid there and its almost a suicide run unless they go in full force which is very rare (malus has to pay the raiders a lot of coin to convince them to go to ulthuan for those reasons).
Nice vid. Subscribed.
You sir have gained a subscriber. Fantastic video.
I appreciate the support Busstiseboost.
do you plan to do lore videos on high and wood elves ?
Eventually I would like to cover all of the factions.
Can you also do one the lizardmen
Do more of these please. There is a lot of lore to cover, and you are a lot better than Arch.
Arch Warhammer sucks ass lol. It's like listening to a politician with mental health problems.
Always about birthright
Could anyone please tell me the name of the Book he is reading? I`m curious.
The Sundering maybe?
I never knew half of this info Insta sub thank you
Nice videos sir! keep up the good work! i wish there was more In-Game Lore about Factions and Settlements..
Can you link on where it says dark elves know how to bring the dead back to life?
High elves, actual protective armor or protective to a degree
Dark elves, bakini armor............................wait what
Well those are the witch cults who I believe originally split away from the cults of pleasure. Most normal Dark Elves wear actual armor.
@@zygimantassilobritas6034 I know the male soldiers wear armor but most of hte woman are fine with almost streaking, unless they let their tits harden like diamonds and use them as weapons
Diamond nipples :3
Awesome!
Glad I found ya! Great stuff o7
Will you be making more warhammer lore videos?
The fantasy cousin of the dark eldar
Where is S'sildra Tor
I am the druchii
Druchii is spelt the same a scipii and brutii from Ancient Rome. They're pronounced like brute-e-eye. So I say druke-e-eye or druch-e-eye
Except that Scipii isn't pronounced like this. It's just Skipi with a prolonged i in the end
Hyaenodon Gigas Hyaenodon Gigas except it's not. Look it up. It's actually sip-e-eye
Go learn latin you fucking illiterate
Hyaenodon Gigas who the fuck speak Latin besides Catholic priests and try hates on the internet?
Nobles, you don't understand because you're a pleb
i love dark elf race i wish could have one dark elf gf ❤
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When you go to look up lore and they just read off the wiki lore