If We Abolish the Police
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
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Any farmer will tell you that when this many apples are visibly bad, there's a problem with the tree
Except humans are nothing like fruits. That comparison is invalid.
@@danepaintrue but it’s a metaphor for the police force. The fact that so many cops (bad apples) are falling/growing on a tree means that something is wrong with the tree or in this case how these bad apples are protected in the police force. Not every police officer is bad, just like how not every tree will have rotten fruit.
@@danepainthe comparison works. The System is simply broken
@@danepainbro just learned about metaphors.
@@graveyardshift2100 A dumb one.
I'm just saying, the issue with the police isn't "a few bad cops" it's a far more fundamental issue. However, the call to 'abolish', or massively defund, the police is not based on any tangible reality. If we do nothing to improve and/or invest in social programs to massively reduce violence, crime rates will simply increase. Also, even in countries with extremely humane criminal justice systems and very low crime rates, a police force is still needed (as it has always been).
It's nice to see some intelligent comments like yours on this guy's videos.
The purpose of the police, from the very beginning, has been to serve the interests of capitalism by controlling the poor and enforcing the capitalists' property rights. Sure, the police are necessary for capitalism to function, but they are not necessary by any means for society to function.
The idea that the police are necessary to maintain civil society is not an idea with any empirical or historical merit. There are plenty of places in the world even today that have no formal police force.
very well said.
I see you are well intentioned and on track, but you fundamentally misunderstand the meaning of the slogan. It derives specifically out of longstanding injustice of the state against black folk. Abolish THE police, has never meant no policing or system to enforce Justice. It is specifically in reference to THIS system. I hope you will acknowledge how inaccurate your initial characterization is, because it is kind of spreading misinformation.
It'd be way easier to fund social programs if we weren't spending billions of dollars on giving military toys to fascist dickheads. To not understand that is to not understand the slogan abolish the police
If they abolished the Police I would pull a Ceaser from Fallout and create my own gang of warlords
Where can I sign up?
AVE true to.....whatever your name is, my lord
There would surely be plenty of gang violence without cops.
So you'd make your own police.
@@kinorris1709 More like I would just become a Dictator
Personally, I think abolishing the police probably wouldn't really do anything, but defunding them would. The departments don't need all of the equipment that they have, and getting rid of the funding for that stuff and puting it into more training and wellness checks would be better.
Abolish and defund the police have the same intentions. Abolish THIS system, doesn’t mean do not rebuild a better system. That’s what many of y’all have failed to understand all these years.
I definitely agree with "defund the police" when it comes to frivolous expenses/equipment, but what people don't seem to realize is that training police costs... money. So, defunding the police would actually run counter to that goal. But I guess that "defund the police except for a fund for increased training" isn't exactly as pithy.
@@ellag3265 the only reason people say defund or abolish is with respect to a corrupt institution that will not reform. You don’t need training not to be racist or abusive. It’s an entirely separate matter fundamentally. A completely new policing institution needs to be created which has an entirely separate culture. It’s a matter of having to destroy the body, as two heads surge every time you take out one.
@@aqueous5099 If you want to replace the whole system then yeah sure that's different, but the person who I responded to wasn't suggesting that. They said that we should *not* abolish, instead divert funds from the current police, and also give the current police more training. That's actually something I hear a lot.
Given that, I don't think pointing out that retraining the police costs money is really out of place in this situation? It's just a practicality that I'm pointing out.
@@ellag3265 If you actually look at the funding of policing, very little of it goes to actual practical things that serve the community including proper training. Saying defund the militarization and bureaucratic elitism-like millions of tax dollars paying off lawsuits-within policing and diverting it to things that serve the interests of the community are not actually at odds with each other.
I am in a gray area for police officers
Wrong. They'd get jobs at security firms on tax payer dollars. :/
"Guys lets get rid of the orginization constructed specifically to stop and prevent crime,, what could go wrong?!?"
Look at New York, they seem to be doing real well at defunding the police as a slow road to abolishment. I'm sure its a perfect example of how it would turn out... At least the people in charge of 'relocation of others goods' seem real happy
Edit due to comments being deleted within seconds of posting (odd, are you being manipulated viewers?)
Nypd has gained funds... After losing funds in 2020-21. They are using that to make up for losses. They have also lost over 2000 officers since then since due to the debt they are paying about 25% of what other regional offices are paying, so they are bleeding uniformed officers due to overwork (up to 60 hours overtime) and underpay. Throwing money at the problem after you caused it by ripping it away is like bandaging an abscessed wound. Not gonna save anything
And as well look at history-lets destroy the ruling body we dislike! Oh no, something worse took over/the people who promised to rule without corruption are worse! Now its a dictatorship, if only we had examples that we could have learned from!
Don't worry, examples changed nothing.
Also check out Cash Jordan here on yt, for the perspective of a civilian in NYC
The cops do neither of that.
@@JericoshostEric Adams has extremely increased the NYPD's budget by millions. What are you talking about?
@@flkajfdfrier7312 odd my comment was deleted. Its always concerning when evidence is deleted.
Anyways make sure you arent quoting fiscal values those are promises not guarantees.
Also in 2020 they made 5.3b, 2021 they made 4.6b. Big drop.
Are they making more now? Yes.
But imagine your boss dropped your pay from 5.30 to 4.60
Now during that year you miss some rent and payments. You are in debt.
You get a pay increase, even beyond your old pay!
It goes into the debt.
In a few years we may see an improvment, but for now they have lost over 2000 uniformed officers(not document filers, the guys who come when you call) since those budget cuts. And officers keep transfering out because they need to work upto 60hours overtime each week and are being paid 25% of what other regional officers are paid (due to lasting budget cut effects) recently there are proposals to increase but there are still recruitment issues from cancelled nypd classes.
I would post links but yt doesnt seem to like that.
Also check out Cash Jordan here on yt if you want a perspective of someone in nyc
I've had 2 comments deleted within 2 seconds of posting. Something is up
"abolish the police" mfs when they get their wish (its been 30 minutes and the world has become fallout irl)
Your average person ain't no murderer
@@theyeening No Shit Sherlock!
@@theyeening our society is not full of average people, we've seen people care less about morals while laws and policing still exist, imagine what more it would be without all that.
Before the modern police were the enforcers of the law, it was the army who were in charge of it (especially in nations with centralized power as almost all modern countries are)
And I mean if that's what you want, go ahead but whether you want it or not, someone is going to be the responsible to enforce the law and sovereignty of a country, whether the police force is separate of the army, is another matter.
But oh well aint my country aint my problem, just commenting on this point I can bet that the majority of those who protest this do not take into account
Tbh having the army handle the law would probably be better than the police 💀, I'd rather be pulled over by someone who would die for me in war rather than a guy who just gets off to handcuffing the homeless for "loitering" (which ironically could also be veterans because we treat our veterans like shit in this country)
My country has passed by a period with the army in charge for... For everything, I don't know how word you use to describe the oposite of "Democracy" vur was that for much time... Dark ages, if I couod say. So, yeah, the army, sometimes can do worst than just "brutality"
@@PauloHenrique-op9zw A country with the army in charge of everything would be a Military Dictatorship, by definition not necessarily bad but many times they do end badly so I hope your country hasn't done badly with that
@@BaldianOfIbelin It did... Jail to civilians who tell something about the army, torture, excecution, many corpses have not even found yet, many they also didn't confessed to kill... Like I said, dark ages... Ib the other hand, culture have a jump in quality, because it was the only way you could manifest your opinion, so, the music from the 60's are better here... So, yeah, not only bad things, at least it ended in the 80's, could be worse...
Problem is more that american police gets around 6 month of training with no background checks. In europe they get both background checks and has to complete 3 years training. This includes deescalation training.
On one hand I totally get where the “abolish the police” crowd is coming from, but on the other hand I don’t see how anyone could think simply abolishing the police out of nowhere wouldn’t end in a lot of terrible stuff happening. What exactly do they think would happen?
Maybe because no one is saying to abolish the police out of nowhere with no back-up plan?
That's literally just a propaganda narrative from those in power who have a stake in the usage of a violent, fascist police force.
@@SynthVoice oh yeah
@@SynthVoice I would like see this back-up plan, maybe I'm uninformed but what solution do you have to abolishing police force? Even if a new system is created, history does repeat itself. Reform and retraining seems a lot more sustainable and makes a lot more sense with little confliction. Abolishing and making a new force/system to police sounds primal to what we already have, laws have been in place for decades and how do we replace those just in a little matter of time? It leaves a lot of room for chaos and conflict.
@@allanparty God its like listening to a five year old explain economics. You really don't understand how abolish the police works huh?
@@willoweableYou really could explain this to him, someone open to dialogue, but the urge for shit in his head and look superior is more strong...
Then they call the police to save them when their policies backfire.
With every upload you make you get better and better. So glad i subscribed
No, this is nonsense. Why would you want MORE crime?
@@danepain because they wanna commit more crime
@@danepain ah, so you didn't understand the video
@@bobmasters9871 You clearly don't.
@@danepain oh my god so impressive. I never expected the "no you" defense!
But what about snake oil salesmen, thugs, thieves and serial killers?
You mean cops?
@@SynthVoiceHe means the ones who aren’t cops, who’s gonna stop them?
@@SynthVoice I understand the problem you mean, but you can't argue that there are many criminals who deserve what they get. Is society ready to handle them without a weaponized organization? Besides, if the police is defunded, wouldn't many of these violent cops also continue to rampage on the other side of the law?
I don't really know what's up with police in America, but from what I've seen still many of them do their work, therefore abolish is a strong word to use. You're gonna have some wrong people in the movement who's gonna fall for the name. I think making movements callings and slogans more clear and specific will benefit the movement itself more. Like what's the point of such strong words if in the end the people just want reforms in the police system and not eradicate it? Police gonna exist in any other form even if people come up with other solition, and calling them murderous freaks isn't helping situation when there is no alternative in sight. Many people in my country don't like police either, but the last thing they want is to make them gone, the just want reforms.
Abolish is a string word, the police system just need some HEAVY reforms. Like the comic said if it was just straight up abolished all the murderous psychos would just do even more bad stuff
You heavily missed the point of you think the comic was saying that the police are preventing the supposed hordes of murderous psychos.
@@josiadorthestrong1031 I mean I kinda thought it was the threat of being punished by the law, and like the police just kinda exist to ensure that if you break the law you get caught?
Makes ya almost dare some city to try out abolishing the police over there and see what happens~
@@FezFindieI think it did happen? But I don't know it was awhile ago
Abolish the police isn’t anti-policing. No one ever listens to the black people who created the slogan. Abolish the police-and rebuild from the ground up-an ethical, accountable, democratic system of Justice. No one ever listens to what people actually mean and just run with surface level assumptions
Oh my god I only just got it
Hot take: Both sides are absolutely stupid and numbskulled and we all should purchase and play Stardew Valley™ instead of tribalising like its year 0
Based?
“Why are those tribalists calling each other idiots and acting like they’re superior to each other? They’re clearly stupid idiots and we’re better than them for not taking a side.” - Most intelligent “both sides” person
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Biy
Bly the commander of 327th?
Your comment is better than all the ones promoting crime.
Bob
I'mma say it, other countries' police forces go through way more training for way longer than our country's police force, and they have way less fatalities by police violence. Norway went over a decade with only 4 police related fatalities. Something needs to change, innocent people being murdered will not be excused.
It's not just the amount of training, but the quality, too. Heard one training regimen here in the US had every situation they put the would-be officer in have the "correct answer" of escalating to lethal force. That's the mindset of American police and what we're up against.
@@TheBronzeDog Definitely some "if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" type of sh¡z.
As a person who larps as police when we declared our own 'anarchist commune' (totally did not form a government right after), this is soooo true
I know this doesn’t have anything to do with the video, BUT I have a question for you, Nora. It’s Synth your last name or something? Why did you choose to use the word Synth in the name of the channel if the voice we hear is your real voice and not a synthetic one?
That's...a good question actually...
@@user-kd5bo2sk3rLet’s see if she answers it
I always loved this line of thinking especially when the Republicans like to say things like well what happens when you abolish police and then someone breaks into your house. Well why would I have called the police? If they can't do their job right in the first place that I had to fire them why would I bother asking for their help when they can't do their job??
Surely a solid support net for hungry and/or disabled people would be more benefitting for people in general so they won't need commit crime in first place.
That and rehabilitative justice (including psychological assistance) instead of mistreating the prisoners and creating them more resentment. Surely it would be people that would decide commit crimes even with those things but they would way be less than now and sounds more humanitarian than violenting poor and mentally unhealthy people.
But yeah, we need to reduce the power of policeman so they can't abuse it and act more responsable. So let's promote oversight for their actions and achieve they will finally work for people instead of being the repressive forces of the Status Quo.
You are under the misconception poor people rob because of need. Robbers rob due to greed, because its easier to steal and sell drugs than it is to get an actual job. Poor people could 100% recover if they did things right, but most of them just screw themselves over time and time again.
Justice needs a tweak yes, they shoulsnt allow prisoners to socialize and get validation for their wrongdoings, they should be separated, isolated and made to work every day from morning to evening to pay for their own stay and food, so they build discipline over the years to be at least a useful member of society.
Policeman need more accountability not necessarily less power, if police didnt have qualified immunity then the abuse of power would go down by a lot.
@@fabrypetty1689 It's funny how people will blame crime on poverty as if criminals are not responsible for their own actions.
@fabrypetty1689 I've already said that people would still committing crime with that precious differences but it would be a smaller amount and would reduce recidivism. Although you have a point, you need some apathy towards other people for stealing them but the current prison system in US and another countries just promote it instead of solving it.
@@danepain I mean, if we're talking about robbery of small amounts of money or basic needs products, it tends to be the case. Also punishment has been proved as not effective as rehabilitation for stopping the reproduction of these actions.
I'm not saying minor criminals should be allowed of doing whatever they want, It's just some proportionality.
@@Helehache Most criminals don't really steal basic needs stuff, they always steal what they can sell and try to make as much money as possible without ever getting a real job, Muggers also use weapons to rob, so they already are valuing whatever they are robbing over another human's life, meaning they don't really deserve consideration. Either way, robbing/mugging is not acceptable at all regardless of circumstances, if they needed something they should ask for it.
"Some cops are good" is the equivalent of trying to pick the good bits off a moldy loaf of bread. You're not actually getting good bits, you're getting the bits you can't instantly see are rotten too.
"abolish the police" is not buying bread ever again
What about Alex Murphy?
You want crime to be allowed so bad.
Stereotyping are we?
I mean there are good cops though, right? Like statistically there’s at least one
I really don’t understand this one, are you saying that the police or state designates some people as violent (which is their “job”) in order to legitimize the intuition of police? Really don’t know
Yeah i also don’t understand this one
I think it's saying that the "muder-hungry extremists" Are the police
That's layered man
Unfathomably based 👌
Edit: tools of the state failing to realize we aren’t anti-policing 🤦🏿
Edit 2: this dude really just called me a “good one” 🤦🏿
That sounds like what a criminal would say.
@@fabrypetty1689 So true. The "abolish the police" crowd just wants more crime.
@@fabrypetty1689 Sad but true.
chaz larpoid
@@fabrypetty1689 what a pretentious projection. I believe in policing, by the actual members of a community, not a state who doesn’t give a damn about my community, who will allow white supremacists to murder people who look like me, or assault detainees, and get off with a slap on the wrist.
Yep Yep Yep
No one understands that if the police is gone from our country, we will all die.
XD Stellar comeback.
As a crime lover who raids local businesses and steals cars,I can agree
Activists are good at recognizing problems but usually really bad at offering solutions
Depends, sometimes the solutions work, but the higher ups just don't want to implement then
Kind of knocking down a straw man argument. The only side really worried about extremists are the ones calling to abolish the police (which in itself is an extreme statement). Most people in support of the police just don't want crime to run rampant. Just looking at NYC will show you what happens when theft is excused, forcing many businesses to leave.
It's also kind of a giant statement to say defund the police considering how many types of police there are and how much the vary state to state or town to town. If you were talking about federal forces like the fbi, cia, and atf im sure lots of people would agree with the sentiment. But if it's state police that you want to abolish then you are gonna put more work on the much lesser trained local pd. If it's local pd then sure, ig individual towns could do that but im not gonna call to defund my local pd when a lot of people around town including me know them by name.
I guess my solution would be to try to decrease poverty with a freer market approach allowing people to actually raise their standard of living.
Nice one
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Certified Chaz Larp moment:
A good example of how horrible it is: so live in Louisville, am trans, and where a hoodie a lot, hood up as people are spooky. I’ve been stoped mid walk before because I “look suspicious” the entire idea of modern cops is to make people feel less safe I swear to god.
Also so happy to see you getting popular, I’d explode into confetti to see you and the Queen Quills do something x3
Walking around in a hoodie probably trying to hide your face, that's pretty suspicious
@@railroadmillion681 How?! I just want to be hidden!
@@railroadmillion681people have a right to privacy.
@@josiadorthestrong1031 Yoo I see the little void boy x3 have you gone thru steel soul yet?
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Not all cops are bad. Don't know how hard it is to understand that.
Except the good cops either do fuck all about the bad ones, or are punished when they step forward by their supervisors. The fact so many departments give cover for bad cops or just cycle the bad ones to a new department when the PR is bad kind of shows the rot in the system.
@@GuardianofRoinStill, getting rid of police would only cause more crime. 🤷♀️
Yeah, except the other officers protect them, therefore making them bad as well. The police system is extremely oppressive, and is very much fundamentally broken, the entire criminal justice system needs to be torn down and built again from the ground up.
Exactly that's why we need to increase the police budget so they they can have better training.
The system encourage corruption. But we agree, isn't a problem of "some people", it's something inherent about the structure of how is built our societies.
I’m the snowflake-iest liberal out there but I think “abolishing the police” might be the dumbest idea ever. Anarchy is an idea for edgy 14 year olds with no concept of how society functions, not for grown men.
Skill issue, read Kropotkin
@@CatMaster90001 he’s a guy, not a book. You mean read his works?
@@guineapiggames8208 You know exactly what I mean, smartass, don't toy with me.
@@guineapiggames8208 You know exactly what I mean, don't toy with me.
@@guineapiggames8208 You know exactly what I mean, don't pretend like you don't.
God, this lefty furry comics are so cringe.
Agreed
Very cringe and unfunny ancom shit.
Honestly, in my opinion, Happy Roadkill is funny as Babylon Bee. Political humor is for few.
By other hand, in a (rigth) libertarian point of view, whiteout a police force, no one can forces me to pay taxes, take my guns or my car for not having a stupid licence or arrests me for shoots a squatter invading my house(Due all the squatters right shit happening in some of the USA states).