DEBUNKING THE VEGAS LOOP (1080p)
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2021
- Musk might be regretting showing the world what The Boring Company is capable of - because it's not much, and it's definitely not what the customer ordered.
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Imagine: the year is 2095 and Elon Musk is all over the news and the internet with his latest invention... Windows 95.
Hahaha pure gold!
Plug&Prey never gets old!
That over rated snake oil sales man would never be able to pull that off , the best he could do is windows ME
oh no... he will be floating through space slowly dissolving as small pieces of debris chip away at his frozen body because he pissed off the wrong person with actual knowlegde about the spaceship and its airlocks while on his way finally abandoning earth.
It will be a good day for humanity.
Duh frick
they took a subay tunnel, replaced tralcks with concrete, painted it white, put in 30$ amazon LEDs and called it a transport system.
That’s an insult to subway tunnels. At least if the subway train breaks down you can open the doors and escape down a catwalk.
@@LeDank Subways also have far greater capacity, far better power efficiency, and only require one or two drivers per train (and are far easier to make autonomous if you wanted to).
But as the video said, the route this runs on is so short that they could have just stuck in a moving sidewalk and called it a day. There’s no need to even bother with a train system, let alone this overengineered and pointless solution that exists purely to say “hey, it’s not actually a subway, so it’s cool and futuristic.”
@@Nathan-kk6lb What it is is a tax-funded Tesla advertisement.
A airport pod transport system works better than this and is totally automated.
@@johntheux9238 actually the digging is far and away the most expensive part, so 2 tunnels is way more expensive than one with a track.
The lack of fire safety is the biggest failure imo; just one incident could result in loss of life, a huge lawsuit, and an indefinite shutdown of the system. Musk really dropped the ball on this one.
-> Mont Blanc tunnel fire
can people even open their car door while inside the tunnel? it seems like there is no evacuation route too
@@DumbAssPro717 All there is is a regular old fire extinguisher at the entrance of the tunnel. If you slow down the video enough it does look like there are doors throughout the tunnel which may be emergency exits. They're not clearly labeled though, that in itself I'm pretty sure is illegal.
The state authorities should not allow this until fire safety is handled.
@@deniseallen5233 it is maybe handled as a testing facility? Some backdoor where you can do anything.
Musk's approach to make tunnels soooo much cheaper than the competition: skip everything that makes them safe to use. Genius!
It's not about skipping the infrastructure but integrating the infrastructure into the car. They are self powered and don't need tracks. They also have safety features like airbags, crumple zone and an HVAC filter if there is a fire.
@@benoitgermanier8815 stop posting now plz.
@@papalegba6759 Why? Just ignore the fact that this information is from me and focus on the content.
@@benoitgermanier8815 not too sure how well a HVAC system in the car is going to work in the middle of one of those tunnels when one of the cars go up in flames.
@@markbrown8097 It won't clear off smoke in the tunnel but passengers are safe.
the lesson here is: never trust a car salesman xD
that is actually so very true
If only public transport is more prevalent...
Not a European btw
@@revimfadli4666 Even here in Mexico City where a part of our metro collapsed we have better infrastructure than most of the US.
@@Ottmar555 can't have a collapsing infrastructure if you didn't have one in the first place lol
A lithium-snake oil battery car salesman.
I promised you guys a mobile phone with that would cost ten thousand dollars but would have a holographic display and allow for wireless transmission of text just by thinking about it. We decided to simplify this, for the benefit of the consumer, and now we present a pair of cans connected by a string.
To be fair they simplified the loop system but the long term goal for throughput and top speed remains the same: 4000 cars per hour and 150Mph top speed.
If you can get rid of the monorail and get the same specs it's just common sense.
😁😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
No the phone will cost nothing but maybe a few thoughts will be used to present only ads you want. This is win win
"here is your soup."
"but i ordered steak."
"maaahhhhh....close enough."
Which is way more profound than it sounds.
The single fire extinguisher *Chef’s Kiss*
If someone gets a heart-attack or anything of that sort, they'll just straight up die, cause there is no reliable way of helping them.
Well unless the car is self driving, hah
Well the La Vegas Convention Centre may have just introduced its newest food concession. Because one of those vehicles ignites in a tunnel you’re going to have BBQ Human. Finger licking good
@@andrewfranklin4429 stop being a grovelling fanboy. Really. Your comparing a system that can carry 1,000 people per train with 4 seater cars. Hilarious. Oh and they must be clumsy in NYC - because I can guarantee in most of the worlds metros people are not falling or being pushed in front of speading trains. Crowd stampedes?? Wtf. Terrorists? These are what you think are selling points. Are you 5 years old? By the way must be exhaustion popping around making all these comments over the last hour on the same thread defending the system.
If Tesla cant even make autopilot work in an isolated tunnel built by themselves, it's probably never going to work.
Plus, since these cars are only used in the loop system itself, they could even just have added a little tracker thing to them and to the street they built. But even that was too much.
AI driving will eventually be perfected, I just don't think Tesla will be the ones to do it. It will be created by real engineers and programmers, not Elon Musk, and traditional auto manufacturers will buy the tech and put it into cars. With any luck, it will be a big open source system that anyone can use or modify.
As a logistics guy: self driving in tunnels or known areas is absolutely standard stuff. So even compared to similar technology (not compared to useful transportation solutions for people as most do), this is pretty bad.
Work for them! It might work if others tried.
Right? I mean there are 100 ways to program those cars to drive this path...and it still doesn't work. Laughable.
On the other hand, this would make for a nice cycling tunnel...
That might end up being the only way these tunnels end up being usable is as bike-only roads. That is the only way they could redeem this thing without massively redesigning it
Or cross country skiing...
True. You could probably go faster on a bike.
that would be awesome ! Some cool Tron looking bicycles
Hey! It might move more than 4400 people per hour.
I cannot fathom how anyone sees this "loop" without realizing its literally just a shitty tunnel with leds? Do all reporters have stock in tesla? Why do they keep covering for this obvious scammer?
Reminds me of the news media's fixation witht he Kardashians and the Kennedys.
It's crazy to me how this was approved and built. Not only is it a huge safety hazard, it is incredibly inefficient.
Here in Hamburg there are Metro and Underground Stations that run 3-4 lanes with intervals as short as 2minutes. Each safely transporting a few hundred passangers per train.
For example if you wanna go from the Mainstation to the western district "Altona" there are 3 tunnel lanes: S1, S2, S3, aswell as 2 regular ground lanes: S11 & S31. These run on 10minute intervals, with 6 carts (each cart having ca. 75-100 seats) with about 3minutes apart from the Tunnel lanes and 5minutes for the ground lanes.
Annual passanger load for our Metro was about 245 million passangers in 2017 and 280 Million for our "S-Bahn" in 2016.
But hey, it's not a flashy LED fire hazard tunnel that cost 55mil $ and transport 350k people a year, i guess
@@andrewfranklin4429 declaring this a new copypasta
@@andrewfranklin4429 cope harder, elon fanboy
@@andrewfranklin4429 1: Many subway Systems have higher capacity than you assume. 2: Those stations are not 5 times as close as an average subway station.
3: Even if your logic were right it’s still less efficient than a subway system.
4: It says a lot that you need this much overthinking to find a reason why the loop doesn’t suck.
@@andrewfranklin4429 So I take you have no reasoned response to that?
@@hi.2842 After scrolling through the comment sections on many videos debunking the Vegas Loop, I've identified "Andrew Franklin" (previously "Roc Wurst") and "Martin Hill" as two suspect accounts. They seem to be the exact same person using three different accounts to spam the same marketing hype. I also nominate "Alan Goldstein" as a third suspect. These three people seem to be targeting mostly early comments or the ones that get a ton of likes.
A common trend with Andrew Franklin goes like this:
- Andrew will post some BS
- Then another user (let's call them "User X") will reply with something that boils down to simply "you're wrong"
- Andrew will trick User X into opening a can of worms by replying with something like "wrong in what way [first word of previous user's username]? ..."
- User X will then (reluctantly) pick apart the bullshit that Andrew posted
- Andrew will then reply to User X with more BS
- This is then followed by extremely long back-and-forth arguments consisting mostly of users destroying Andrew Franklin's BS while Andrew themself constantly doubles down on it regardless of how many times they've been proven wrong before.
It's also interesting how, in many of their comments, these users address people by the first word in their username. Another red flag for me is the fact that they repeatedly copypaste the same crap to almost everyone they reply to, quite often doing so multiple times on the same thread.
There's also "Kevin Bailey" (and probably a few others) who is another fairly well-known shill but I'm not sure if they are the same as the previous two or three. They're not as rampant, but I've seen them many times when I sort the comments on a video about the Loop by "new". Kevin is no less egregious than those three because even though they're not "in your face" about the bullshit they're pushing they will often say things to try to hide the fact that they're shilling.
But seriously, if you have to resort to massive numbers of logical fallacies to "get your point across", you don't have any good points.
UPDATE May 2022: At this point, I strongly suspect that these accounts are AI chatbots, given the downright inhuman nature of the way they do things.
They built a metro, but worse in every single aspect.
Just what humanity needs.
Imagine the drivers' mental psyche when they have to face down those trippy tunnel every single day. Can't be that healthy for sure. Talk about literal tunnel vision.
Now imagine DRIVING down those white tunnels with only the road as a visual indicator of where the car needs to be not to hit the walls.
Imagine being autistic and having to use this sensory nightmare
I know right? Like what the fuck, what kind of dystopian shits does Elon brings here?
The cars drive on their own. And since this is not on public roads, the FSD can be implemented without government approval.
From being an Uber driver for 1.5 years I can't imagine doing this for 40 hours a week. It's extremely distracting talking to strangers while you are driving and every person who gets in this is going to be blabbing while you navigate that tiny tunnel hundreds of times a day.
"We simplified this a lot. It's basically just Teslas in tunnels at this point, which is way more profound than it sounds"....um no its not 🤦♂️
it's so easy an intern could do it!
Thank you Kanye, very cool.
Well no it is! More money in Musk pocket!
Just not teslas in a túnel , Elon saving Las Vegas and the world , with his electric cars powered by fósil fuel .
Elon in 5 years: "We simplified this a lot. It's basically just a couple of pictures made by Ingenuity that we show to our Starship guests. This is way more profound than it sounds..."
"So... how about we build a direct route to the convention center?"
Las Vegas: "Okay."
"It'll be underground and be pretty fast."
Las Vegas: "Yeah, keep going..."
"It'll be on rails and have a high capacity for people."
Las Vegas: "Ew, no. NO TRAINS!"
"Alright, how about we pave the tunnel with asphalt and put cars through it..."
Las Vegas: "Hmm... maybe..."
"And outfit it with neon lights?"
Las Vegas: "BRILLIANT!"
I don't get why Americans hate trains. They seem brilliant to me. Pretty straightforward, great for mass transportation, usually only more expensive to build than roads, but way cheaper to maintain... personally I think no means of transportation has succeeded in being better than trains.
@@Corredor1230 Go check out the shenanigans that take place on New York trains or any large American city for that matter. Americans don’t know how to behave or clean up after themselves. The results are public transportation being a horrible experience at times. And I could not imagine how it would be in Vegas. Mind you that cities nickname is Sin city. There would be countless crimes taking place on public trains in Las Vegas.
@@carpediem8314 I think that's probably the impression you get because public transport is underfunded in the US, no?
@@Corredor1230 I honestly have no clue. I’ve never even been on any form of public transportation. But that could definitely be the reason. That or there’s just too many crackheads concentrated in one area lmao.
@@carpediem8314 Lol, well, there are plenty of crackheads in cities like Paris and Madrid too, but they manage somehow. So I think that it's just about giving proper funding to public transport. If you ever visit Europe or East Asia, you'll see it's definitely possible.
Let's see, 15 minute walk or possible unescapable tunnel of fiery death? I think I could use the fresh air.
@@rajnadar6555 If it truly is just 1km, then that's 45 minutes... crawling! 1km is hardly enough distance to drive.
@Raj Nadar They actually mentioned that it's normally a 15 minute walk in the promotional video. That is for about 1.3 kilometers. Most people walk about three or for kph, but l suppose if you were strolling and eating ice cream, taking pictures etc then it could maybe take twice as much. If you were trapped in a burning car in a tunnel and you can't open the doors it might take even more of your time.
@@SofaKingShit ...you'd might even say it would take ALL of your time.
🤣🤣🤣😂
@@Corredor1230
1 km would be about a ten minute walk; not far enough to be worth getting into a car unless you have difficulty walking, or the weather is bad.
This is going to go down as one of the world's stupidest feats of "engineering". Like any normal person would see all of the flaws in this system but with enough hype silicon valley tech bros will eat up anything
We can only hope people see it before they waist more time and money on this shit.
It will definitely be up there with Juicero.
Nah, Solar highways already got that spot quite firmly.
@@dmclegg66 *waste ~ sorry, can't help myself.. yes, you are right
Perfect for Vegas.
Next, Elon Musk is going to invent a toaster, that makes twice as much bread in half the time, and yet costs ten times as much, burns down your house ten times as often, and takes twice as long in praxis.
The flamethrower could be used for that...
Every few mornings it won't toast because software update.
Eventually, as Musk realizes that he can patch issues with software, design will move more towards software because it's cheap and less towards engineering.
Software patching overtakes engineering, reliability and solid design replaced with flexibility until, ultimately, the toaster will be a neural network robot arm that costs 1000 dollars and will toast upwards of 90% of all bread given to it after 3 years of training. It now has a minimum age to operate, as a few accidents happened where the arm tried to toast some children.
As quality lowers and software dependency grows, it will become unprofitable and eventually shut down the servers, rendering all the toasters obsolete.
Company shuts down, but not before all assets are sold to his new company, a sex toy endeavor which promises the best handjobs on the planet. It consists of a robot arm and a neural network.
Keep out of reach of children.
you have graced us with your presence.
@@skunkjobbarguably thats the best device they've made functionality wise ( not giving ot praises in that regard though) and it claims to NOT be a flamethrower. You have to admit, theres a solid record of not delivering on promises.
@@skunkjobb That'll be the hyperflame if you don't mind........ XD
I'd rather walk. Slowly moving through a tightly enclosed tunnel sounds like pure torture.
Don't forget the color changing LEDs
Could be a good walking space during hot days
While sitting right behind a battery that can spit bright yellow lithium flames... and there's no way out of the tunnel quickly.
@@pedrolmlkzk I’ll pass, not a fan of staring at white walls with no way to know where you’re going
I live in a place (Dortmund, Germany) with a functioning, helpful subway system (in spite of the flooding and coal mining history of the entire area) and when I saw this the very first time, I said nothing, showed my gf the picture and waited for her reaction. She's basically the neutral observer in this, almost no interest in engineering, Infrastructure and technology. She said "oh good, a less effective, less safe, less useful subway. This is why I don't wanna go to Vegas, it's the dumbest place on earth"
I know americans like to do this to things, but they have no managed to fuck up even the subway.
@@StrazdasLT 🇺🇸 👍
You got a smart gf man
Grüße gehen raus an die U47! Und den "neuen" Hauptbahnhof.
Gambling is a great way to lose money. Yes, the capital of free dumb america.
Imagine being a driver for this, your mind would go insane after a while and you'd want to crash the damn thing.
they'll need 100s of drivers too, the system is unworkable.
I got a job interview for this place soon rip to me
@@josueflores6641 make sure you're not liable for any damage to the car if you ding it, that's the exact kinda d!ck move musk'd pull.
Yup and I have a feeling the super saturated hyper colors will worsen or induce vertigo.
Marines in boot camp have to run an underground tunnel on the shooting range from one end to the other that's 500+ meters long and it's very easy to get sucked into the sides and crash and burn😁. And we had more space running single file in those tunnels than the cars do in the "Hyperloop". Hope no one gets hurt.
Very difficult to drive through a tunnel that narrow - even once, let alone on constant repeat. Total concentration required at all times... And what happens when you need to take a pee?!
Personal Rapid Transit projects from the early 1970s managed to be way higher capacity, energy efficient, faster, safer, cheaper to operate, and ACTUALLY AUTONOMOUS. With a very simple computer and rails.
And even then they weren't really a good alternative to classical rapid transit (in most cases).
You mean the 1870s. Well maybe not the actually autonomous part yet.
@@lars7935 except for airports, but MAN is a bi-directional curb steered bus cool
"The Boring Company" is the perfect name.
Driving around that circle 8 hours a day has got to be one of the most boring jobs on the planet. That in itself is going to cause safety issues.
It probably wanted to sound like and be associated with ''Boeing''. It failed on every count.
Next they're gonna replace the New York subway trains with Teslas that'll move 5 people a minute.
They just did a stress test on Tuesday. It was far more than 5 people a minute, but probably not 4400 people per hour. I will wait to see the numbers.
NY subway has a capacity of 50.000 per hour per direction for more than 100 years.
@@endlesscyclist1212 But at what cost?
Update: they exceeded 4400 people per hour and it was just V3 configuration. Target is 5050 people per hour for V4.
@@benoitgermanier8815 Unless they were using clown cars i doubt they could pull off 4,400 people per hour. Also subways easily carry 10 times the amount of people per hour for only a fraction of what it'd cost to run the loop
We already knew it would be a joke, but in the end, it turned into a dangerous joke. The puny fire extinguisher is an april's fool in itself.
I also love the little mirror on the wall, so the autopilot can see backwards....
I don't suffer from claustrophobia, but watching the cars drive through the tunnels was anxiety-provoking even for me.
Imagine one of those Teslas catching fire (that never happens , right?) , no way to escape, no fire suppression of any kind, no ventilation, no way to evacuate safely...what can go wrong???
Just imagine this, I live in London and they spend millions here modernising the tracks, building high speed rail/underground systems, making road tunnels, hell the eurotunnel literally connects France to England, it transports goods, cars and people and yet it runs a train. The cars load on a train and drivers can get out and relax in the food carriage. This is beyond stupid. They built a fuvcking zebra crossing for 4400 people/hr that crosses the track like WHAT!?
If Elon was in Europe he would be either be heavily fined (UK, France, Italy etc) or worse jailed (Germany, Netherlands).
God bless murica, land of the con, home of the scammer
And then there's the DLR, providing effective automated transport since at least the early nineties.
@@ETM2024 hahaha on the DLR while you posted this. Definitely DLR gets way less credit than due. Its even more interesting than some underground lines. Also, you get mobile network and the views are just the best out of all London lines.
@@chiefponcho
Perfect 😂
It's been a while since I was last in London but I thought the DLR was an excellent bit of engineering when I first discovered it and still wish we employed a similar system here (Glasgow), and loved the view travelling around it.
Even in the UK, France or Italy if this dumbass system caused a fire and deaths he'd be jailed.
I am really curious how it actually managed to pass the capacity test. Sounds like independent observers were not allowed.
I think the point is they did not
I bet the test was run under perfectly favourable conditions so as to avoid any of the problems that would occur in the real world.
The documentaries on Elon musk in a 100 years will be fascinating
I bet 10 years will be well enough
Fair enough. Depends on how big and obvious the crash is. he's literally trump in the 80s and 90s. except that he's not putting his name on real estate but on futuristic sounding niche products touted as revolutionary
@@paapa300 clicked to say the same. Might be only one year. Depends on how long we have to wait until a tesla blows up in that pipe and how many die.
Just think there's probably some 9yr old Disney kid now who'll win an Oscar for playing Musk as a crazy John deLorean type in forty years time.
If the stans have their way they'll write revisionist history that portrays him as a martyr/prophet.
They'd be better off having people run bicycles down those tunnels, ur huge ass conveyer belts.
A smaller, less safe and less efficient version of a regular tunnel. Idk why he's trying to reinvent the wheel only to make a worse wheel
more like a square
the Channel Tunnel (or Chunnel) runs for 50km under the English Channel crossing at the Strait of Dover. it consists of two 25ft main tunnels, and a 16ft service tunnel, and carries 20 million passengers, 1.5 million tonnes of freight, 2.5 million cars, 51000 coaches, and 1.6 million lorries per year. it cost $30 billion dollars and was completed approximately 30 years ago. Elon Musk takes $50 million dollars to dig a couple of 12ft wide tunnels under a parking lot. he delivers late and forgets to put in fire suppression equipment, proper ventilation, and an alternate means of access. and is promptly hailed as a visionary genius. in fact, he's Times Man of the Year. honestly, i'm not even sure what world we're living in anymore.
Every "sales pitch" should be accompanied by a "fails pitch" made by critical engineers.
Just think about the mental impact of driving through a tiled tube for several hours or even an entire shift.
The government of Las Vegas could have built an actual subway instead.
Now imagine living in a colony on Mars controlled by that guy.
We had the fire in the Düsseldorf Airport exactly 25 years ago. This forced a number of new laws about safety in such buildings. I'm sure this loop would never see a passenger in Germany. It wouldn't even be build unless a safety concept is proven and accepted.
Grüße nach Düsseldorf aus Linz :)
Das kannst du laut sagen!
I am pretty sure that it would be the same for every country in the world except the countries where people still ride on the roofs of trains.
I would be interested to hear what the tesla workers in California say when they see German tesla workers making twice as much in a unionised factory with qualified safety officers and union reps looking out for them
@@stephenirving1737 Germany has a lot of laws about worker rights, safety and such but Tesla don't have to join the association of car makers&steel and the general nation wide agreement with the union. They can pay what they want just like Amazon is doing this right now. In this case, the workers can build a union or join an existing and start a strike when ever they want (even with just a few people). They can't get fired for this. At Amazon, there are only few workers attending those strikes so Amazon can live with it at the moment.
It will be interesting to see how Tesla will handle this. My prediction is, that Elon will not talk with the unions and try to keep them out. On the other hand, a car manufacturer has so many specific work areas, that a few people can stop the whole production. The German working culture is different and if Elon don't adapt to this he will be out just like Walmart that failed miserably.
Seriously what is the function of the rainbow LEDs if not to create a futuristic illusion? The system is not innovative, not cost effective, nor safe.
Suppose it could be used for signalling to the drivers to help them maintain a safe distance. Or warning of a fires n the tunnel... But yeah they've just got them set to disco mode in all the promos.
@@joinedupjon Can you imagine driving through a narrow tunnel that changes its colors every second for 8 hours a day?
I actually felt a little uncomfortable just by looking at the screen.
The idea was to make the ride "thrilling" and "exciting" because VEGAS! (seriously, that's how they sold it)
The lights let everybody know the loop is gay approved.
The rainbow light show is there for the news media to eat up, and people fall for it.
I just learned that 25 more miles of the "Las Vegas Loop" have been approved aprox. 2 months ago. I don't know if I should be horrified that Las Vegas authorities have approved the possibly larges crematory in the world, or looking forward to CSS doing an update on this insanity project...
I'd have to believe that the LVCC could have built an cable-supported tramway for a fraction of what the LVCC Loop cost, with total transit time not much slower, and a lot lower labor cost.
It probably could have been inside the convention center, which would have allowed visitors a birds-eye view of exhibits they might be interested in seeing up close.
An APM system would have probably been even easier. Lots of manufacturers to choose from, with plenty of proven solutions from, I don't know, every other international airport. Could have saved some money as well if they allowed it to be elevated.
thing is, they did this for the clout and the headlines. also as a way to draw in musk fanboys who will want to "experience the future with their own eyes". that doesnt work if you do something more reliable, safe and afordable...
@@marcosdheleno yeah, but it's honestly silly that Musk didn't just design a "Tesla train" and use it to build up hype for Hyperloop in the process.
Of course, then we'd see that battery-powered EVs don't scale up as well at they like to pretend they will
So... A handful of nails could bring this whole thing to it's knees!?!
One flat tire!
@@animatewithdermot Let's hope nobody accidentally breaks a bottle then.
As if that's likely at all... in Vegas... in a system marketed primarily towards tourists...
Ha ha you thinks that’s bad, just wait till you think about hyper loop and a massive vacuum tube. One ☝️ bullet. One ☝️ cracked seal. One earth tremor... the list goes on
@@morphman86 yeah i worked in a big uk train station and dealing with gangs of drunken revellers was a nightmare. let's hope there's none of them in vegas lol...
@@papalegba6759 Do the doors lock under motion? Pretty easy to scrape the sides of that tunnel. Or maybe just lean out the window and hurl all over the sides of the tunnel lmao
Looks like an episode of "engineering disasters" in the making.
Indeed Well There Is Your Problem... pre-emptively covered it, too.
@@Daneelro Cars bad, trains good.
@@lars7935 yes
@@lars7935 what does that mean? Because factually cars, electric Musk cars are bad as shown in the video, Electric trains are better
@@ryhanzfx1641 Theres a podcast called "Well there's your problem". And one of their common sayings is "cars bad trains good". Because car centric development sucks. It's a waste of land, it creates gridlock, it's paves over the world where instead people and/or plants could find a place.
Electric cars are a little better than combustion engine cars because they don't pollute at the point where the car is but they still suck. Individual transport just isn't the answer.
Btw. Trucks for anything but short range suck too. Maybe even more.
how tf did they get approval to build it without *any* safety installations?!
Great question.
Musk probably bribed the authorities heavily.
I just watched your video again and the lack of any safety measures is terrifying. As soon as something goes wrong, and one of those cars combusts, everyone in that tunnel who can't race out of there to the next offload point is going to die of smoke inhalation. It's amazing that this project was greenlit at all. That loop is a deathtrap.
I find it funny that the tunnel is so narrow, a standard tow truck wouldn't even fit, let alone have room to hook up a disabled vehicle.
Tow trucks are a things of the past. I present to you the new invention of Musk called pushing the car with your hands. What do you mean its not efficient!?
By the dead gods… you're telling me they promised to deliver _"self-driving vehicles"?_ They would have been better off making a streetcar, with 19th century technology. Take a look at the modern streetcar system linking Monaco to the Côte d'Azur.
I wonder how the convention center feels about paying all these drivers after they bought an automated system.
Lol now we know because they' re expanding the system.
Human's walk at 5km per hour. It would take a human 12 minutes to walk that 1 kilometre with no requirement for electricity. A normal fit human can run at 5 minutes per kilometre so this car is faster than a walking human but slower than an average human's jogging pace.
Revolutionary
It takes 2 minutes to go from one side to the other with this loop...
@@benoitgermanier8815 the documentation from the company actually states one lap is 5 minutes and 50 seconds so that is 2km. Lets say its 3 minues for the 1km. Add in passenger inress/egress times and queueing for available car that would take much longer. Let's say its 1 minute in and 1 minute out. Nothing additional for delays or queuing. That is 5 minutes. A good jogging human pace. Bicycle is faster. It would be much easier and no cost to just walk that distance. The NYC subway Q train takes 2 minutes to get from 72nd street to 86th street (900 metres). This system is not faster than the subway
@@brianhourigan Just looked at the video "Las Vegas Loop Tesla Testing at Las Vegas Convention Center"
10:42 -> 12:41 so two minutes
13:05 -> 14:07 so one minute
So if you go directly from the first to the last station it's about 3 minutes.
@@benoitgermanier8815 Three minutes in a tunnel with non-existent safety measures, plus waiting for pedestrians at the crossing, and for a car to become available. Or you can walk and arrive a minute later.
@@smaakjeks Yeah, but this tunnel will be connected to the Vegas extension which should be 6 miles from one side to the other. This is just the beginning.
It amazes me that this was ever given fire certificate. Even when it was still a CGI or a plan submitted to the local planning mandarins, didn't anyone think to ask "what's you're emergency evacuation strategy?" before signing off the consents. Perhaps a USA (better still Vegas) based reader could enlighten us on what the culture, if not the local law, is on such matters.
I was wondering that myself.
"All Hail The White Paper"
Las Vegas was founded by organized crime figures.The entire economy revolves around escapism.
I think there were some under the table payments for the Las Vegas officials and the fire chief to look the other way, nothing else makes sense, this is just a tragedy waiting to happen anybody with some basic intelligence can see that.
Maybe the "fire suppression" needs a bit more examination. Musk fans claim "it has sprinklers" and if one examines the on ride video, there is "something" running along the crown of the tunnels and every so often something that runs around in an annular ring. Perhaps thee are their sprinkles systems. However, I am surprised there are no smoke vents, emergency walkways, egress to surface, fans, etc.
Something else no one seems to have mentioned thus far, is the lack of access for anyone mobility impaired. Good luck if you are in a wheel chair or have impaired vision for example.
Also, for all the Ayn Rand loving Libertarians out there, you want to know what lack of regulations gets you? Well here is your example
This is supposed to be your mic-drop moment? A lot of the money he's been securing for garbage like this have been given to him by government. Allowing them complete control with more regulations doesn't stop people like Elon Musk.
@@pumpkin6429 I agree. Corruption doesn't uderstand regimes.
OK this not the result of lack of government.
Somalia, Syria and Afghanistan is what happens without a government.
@@pumpkin6429 And what's your amazing alternative to government regulations? To just let him do whatever the hell he wants in a Ayn Rand Libertarian paradise without the government?
The problem isn't government regulations. The problem is that the United states is a government tainted by corporate corruption and bribery which is a result of unfettered capitalism. Most countries don't let corporations openly bribe politicians in the guise of donations, yet here we are where it's commonplace. The problem is there's not enough regulations on corporations and their ability to influence, and taint politics to suit their own personal interests. All removing the government does is speed up how fast they're going to fuck everyone over to hit those profit margins.
It's that the government is tainted by big donors like Elon Musk that this kind of shit happens, as though he didn't influence them choosing his design at all. It's corporations influencing the government, with the government throwing out a few half-assed hand-slappy stipulations to pretend like they're doing anything besides sponsoring these kind of people, when the facade wears thin.
this is the fault of progressives. you will buy anything as long as a con man assuages your emotions
Detroit: "The PeopleMover is the worst public transport idea ever"
Vegas: "hold my beer"
The only thing more mysterious than how this shyster gets away with this is is how dumb the Vegas municipal govt must be to have fallen for the grift.
And Musk will get no bad press from that I'm pretty sure.
Remember that the next time you see a mainstream media report.
Of course he won't, he's too connected and he has his propagandists in the media.
His stock and trade is Fairy Dust. He delivered in spades here. The media is all about Alice in Wonderland.
You might not get to the convention center faster than you can walk, but you might get an epileptic seizure from all the flashing disco lights.
Imagine if it's a 10 minute lineup to get into Loop
To be fair, you're in Vegas, it's not like you'd be safe outside.
Or they might be scraping your ashes off the floor and walls and you'll be arriving at your destination in a jar.
@@ndi4926 - I was shocked at how much ghetto Vegas was when you get a few blocks east of the strip.
Your clearly not a gamer
Musk believes that in a few years, autonomus driving will be possible in like 90% of the roads -- yet he can't even solve autonomus driving for a simple 1 lane single way tube...
To be fair they don't use LIDAR so they have to train the AI first to recognise the environment.
They also need to find how far they can push an human driven system to set a new standard and then try to beat that with self driving.
@@benoitgermanier8815 In other words, Tesla are stuck in the "excuses" phase.
*claims
not believes
Musk: "We should make rubber roads and asphalt wheels."
Simps: "Ahhhhh.... Genius."
I'd be interested to hear what professionals working with fire safety has to say about this tunnel. Assuming the air moves in one direction by fans and assuming that you can actually exit your vehicle in case of an emergency, if there is a vehicle fire in there, the smoke would travel along the pipe in one direction and people could escape the other. But if there are multiple cars in the tunnel, the cars in front of the fire will suddenly be enveloped in smoke and would have to hold their breath while they exit the tunnel without smashing into the cars in front. I imagine visibility could become zero quickly in such a case, making a safe exit very hard. I really hope that these things will be considered by the authorities in the area before rather than after a tragic incident happens.
I didn't notice any tunnel ventilation fans..
If the Las Vegas Building & Safety Dept actually signed off on Musk's permit, they share liability for incurring damages. Someone in that department is either very stupid or received a disgusting amount of money and has retired to live in the Bahamas.
Firefighter for 13 years. This wouldn't pass muster. I see it being a rerun of either the kaprun disaster, or the St. Gothard tunnel fire.
@@bosoerjadi2838 My speculation is that the ventilation is managed from mid station, that it is kept at a positive or negative pressure relative to the outdoors. Though which such small cross sectional area that pressure have to also overcome the entries for people and such which would have way less resistance.
@@miklov I agree vid's don't do the actual engineering justice. Presumably the venting is managed but it's such a meager installation this could be handled by some relatively low grade hardware at the center station, and I bet that got undersizd, lol. First accident in the tunnel could still be a catastrophe though.
@David Orozco Do you see any vents in the tunnels? Also, simply having vents is not good enough, you need to force the air one or the other way. In regular tunnels you have air pumps in the ceiling. A fire in a regular tunnel is pretty bad, a fire in this tunnel while occupied by multiple vehicles is probably a tragedy.
How this was even allowed to be built?
I mean, really, it fails any safety check even on paper.
Probably because Tesla has the highest Euro NCAP safety rating, one accident every 4.19 million miles driven on autopilot (versus 484'000 miles for the US auto average) and one fire every 205 million miles driven (versus 19 million miles for the US auto average)
@@benoitgermanier8815 oh, I didn't know, that EuroNCAP is performing tests for poorly designed tunnels with no room to vent, escape or evacuate if the safest car ever existed will go flame.
And, of course, I'd like to see comparison with other tunnel transportation solutions, like subway/underground - you know, avarage speed, passenger capacity, cost efficiency and, of course, safety.
Or even put an electric bus in line, for better comparison.
But even this is not the whole picture without detail: what Elon Musk claimed while presenting such stupid idea with underground cars for cars, traveling 160 mph and what public got IRL - with 62 Teslas riding somewhat 35 mph in avarage, and carrying less passengers than electric bus, while costs twice as much (comparison is done for car price/bus price, tunnel not included). And all of that is done with public money, LOL.
@@Immanatum I don't think he ever promised to reach 155mph for this tunnel...
But yeah, we need to wait for the Maxwell dry coating for fireproof batteries. Hopefully the HEPA filter is enough to keep people safe if there is a fire.
@@Immanatum Long term goal is 4000 vehicles per hour so 28000 people per hour for 7 seats. That's about the same as othe transportation solutions.
But it's not really the efficiency that matters, it's better to have two small tunnels than a big one because then you have more stations, so less walk.
@@benoitgermanier8815 it is sounds more like highly cocained trip, than solution IRL. 4 000 cars, 7 passengers per car (really? Where is the driver? Where are places for two additional passengers?) Currently, avarage price for 62 Teslas in total is ~$2.1 mln, while electric bus Volvo 7900 costs ~$1 mln. In case if this amphetamine dream comes true, it will cost more than $135 mln.
Even extremely rough calculations shows that one Volvo 7900 can carry up to 135 passengers, per hour (in avarage) ~15 000 passengers, which is ~20 Tesla cars (or, more realistically 4 passengers + driver - 34 cars). So, 4000 cars with 28 000 passengers per hour is ridiculous. 2 busses need two drivers. They will ride with the same speed - 35 mph, won't fatally jam the traffic - if something happens in case of 62 Teslas in the tunnel - if something happens to one of them in the tunnel - how many cars will stuck in the tunnel? Which has highly questionable design with poor ventilation, has no room for anything except Tesla car (in case of emergency - passenger got heart attack or so - what to do?).
To summarize: enormous amount of 4000 cars, which carry less passengers per hour than 2 buses, inside the tunnel which is done with all possible violations is a bad idea. Really bad.
I knew this was a insanely stupid idea, yet every video I watch about it somehow reveals even more about just how kind bogglingly terrible of a project this was
I swear a kindergarten classroom could plan something better than this
I visited LVCC on April 2022 during NAB 2022 and I rode the Vegas loop many times during this visit. Couple corrections and validations:
1. Yes, the IDEA of loop is great and valid - when you're on trade/show, you're in suit, you don't have time and you don't want to sweat, running from west to east hall. Believe me.
2. west station doesn't have and doesn't need pedestrian crossing - pedestrians come to the station between the entrances to the tunnels
3. As for April 2022, there is still no fire/accident equipment
4. No, there is no sightseeing on this 15 minute walk from west to south hall. Just concrete and heat.
5. Yes, cars still have drivers and still are slow
6. Wait time is about a minute
7. You didn't add to the cost, the employees working at stations that are hired to: point you to the car; supervise you don't get hit by tesla car.
Great idea, bad execution.
Bad execution, like his abandoned hyperloop in LA...imagine that?
agreed. It's good for getting people around a convention, and it's a good tourist attraction (which is the whole point of vegas). But it's terrible for traditional transportation needs, and therefore won't ever replace typical metros.
I can picture Musk screaming at his abused employees to install RGB lights to make the tunnel look more futuristic.
Mentally, he's basically a spoiled 8 y/o gamer whose parents buy him every new PC component that becomes available on the market-oh, and everything has to be RGB, of course.
I think he just ran out of money. RGB lighting is the cheapest way to make something look better. It does a great job at hiding the poor paint job on the walls, the uneven walls and general lack of polish and finish.
Especially when you are used to going into a subway station which are well built, cleaned and maintained.
@@ndi4926 Part of hiding the scam of claiming this is cheaper than subways.
Of course it is if you don't even put tile on the floor.
A less boring tunnel, so to speak.
@@brendanariki I think it doesn't make sense to point out that there are no fire extinguishers, while in the next breath pointing out that you cannot extinguish battery fires ;)
The Boring Company and Musk should be called "The Emperor's Clothing Company"
Musk is the real life version of the Simpsons Monorail guy...
So basically, they built an expensive death trap that probably won't save time anyway thanks to a crosswalk.
The people mover at Disneyland did better. Maybe not as fast, but more people per hour.
and safer...
And 60 years ago
And pretty view
I was actually thinking the mini-trams they have from the parking lot at Disneyland would work well in these tunnels.
It doesn't have all of the frightening safety issues though. No fun.
That tunnel is so small it looks claustrophobic. There's no way the concept vehicle, which looks like people could stand up in, could fit in the tunnel.
Honestly, I don't know how it is possible that this person is not behind the bars yet.
It’s amazing how many aspects of the design show that humans are the last thing that Musk cares about.
Why do I feel this will end up on Fascinating Horror within a decade?
Would not have expected to see this comment, but that's exactly what I thought! The reasoning sounds a lot like the one behind the Kaprun Disaster: Fire is unlikely, so wee don't need any precautions... :/
It's gonna end up like Mark's Zukerberg satelit. And then they're gonna come up with this ufo video record. Simple as that.
@@mrmarrel In fact there are precautions, each car has an HEPA filter against smoke. The tunnel also has a ventilation system, just a small one since those cars do not consume oxygen.
They wanted a hyperloop. They got a hypoloop.
I almost thought "hypoloop" was a spelling mistake but then I realised the joke! LOLOLOL
Or a hypnoloop because they couldn't possibly have been in their right minds when they thought this up.
The correct spelling is Hypeloop.
Isn't it time to tell Elon that when a transit system follows a pre-determined route, you can put it on rails and thus you don't need a vehicle you can steer? I mean, those pods, on rails, is totally doable. We have something similar in London, it's called the Docklands Light Railway. And it's electric, but due to an advanced system of central generating technology, doesn't have to carry batteries around.
@jaxtraw woah woah woah go easy with these futuristic ideas you’re suggesting all at once.
My brain is still in recovery mode after taking in so many important high level ideas
An advanced system of central generating technology, like the trams they had in the 1800s. Still more technologically advanced than the Vegas Loop.
"advanced system of central generating technology". How would it look like if Elon would "re-invent" that? Cars carrying charged batteries around?
The UK also has Ultra PRT, which ferries passengers around Heathrow airport.
@@frankfahrenheit9537 I think it might mean Teslas in tunnels carrying batteries from a solar farm to a "power bank" in your town, and then driving the discharged batteries back to the solar farm to be recharged.
Knowing Musk I bet these drivers are paid absolute shit. I'm actually amazed the city let him build this deathtrap that looks like a set reject from clockwork orange with disco ball lighting. At least you'll look super tacky and vapourwave in your dying moments.
A false techno promise in a city that has a reputation for false dreams and promises is pretty fitting.
a Sewer pipe is a fitting platform for all things Musk.
I am sure the Vegas authorities got a handsome bribe for green lighting this scam. 😂
to be sure
they got a nice thick stack of greeen paper for sure
Bribing them with Tesla stock would be the icing on the cake
This is simply the Vegas monorail under ground. Same scam hidden.
@@johndough23 Elon is basically Lyle Langley at the town hall meeting
Based on the subtitles, it looks like the tunnel fire happened in Norway. We have lots of tunnels here, because 70% of the country is mountain range. There is no way in hell that dank neon tunnel of pungent Musk would be approved here.
Now that I've taken the time to look at the plan for the larger "Vegas Loop" scheme ("a 29-mile tunnel network connecting 51 stations throughout the resort corridor"), as opposed to the currently operational part, which is the "Las Vegas Convention Center Loop" it's pretty obvious that this system will never be able to routinely achieve the claimed 100+ mph speeds. It looks like there are only two segments more than a mile long. The primary advantages of a Personal Rapid Transit system over larger capacity transit are: more frequent (nearly on-demand) departure times, and potentially faster transit times because individual vehicles don't have to stop at any of the intermediary stations.
Making a public transportation system for a fixed rout, especially in tunnels and for that using cars is so fucking stupid that I lack words for it. Goddammit, just build a regular subway and you'll easily fulfill the transportation need with much less drivers (if any), no batteries that can burn and everything is simply better.
A subway would need to stop at each station so it would be a lot slower.
@@benoitgermanier8815 Is only 1.5 km long, what stations in between?
@@AurelAvramescu There is only one station in the middle for now, but the Vegas extension will have tens of them.
@@benoitgermanier8815 This is not scalable for longer trips. The tunnel is too small and congestion will happen to all stations, because you have to brake and still will be slow and anyway is slow at 30MPH
@@AurelAvramescu This loop has no straight line so it's quite slow but their target is still 155mph for the loop system.
The Vegas extension will have a 4 miles straight line. We will see what maximum speed they can achieve.
The dumbest thing is it's so small it's basically pointless, and I'm sure if you looked at the actual spots people are coming from/going to, walking will probably be faster than it would realistically take to go through the hassle of using this system
If you gotta wait 10 minutes for this thing It would have been faster to walk 4 sure!
@@StinkPickle4000 - Most of the people who visit Vegas are to obese to walk.
@@KevinBalch-dt8ot They should just open the tunnel up to their mobility scooters! lol
When Vegas is crowded and hot (remember it’s a desert), a 15 minute walk can be an hour and very unpleasant
@@jorgesmith2000 vs waiting at the outside collection points? You only get to wait underground if you are leaving the central station.
And, I'm sorry but temperature and relative humidity does not impact time and space. It may *feel* like an hour, to you, but a 15 minute walk is still 15 minutes, although I concede walking anywhere in America is unpleasant.
Imagine a 50 million dollar above ground walk path, call it HyperPath! It would be beautiful and with the annual budget of the loop you could spray gold flaked cooling water on people as they walk!
Does all emergency vehicles fit down the tunnel?
None of them would.
This had the potential to actually be a good idea of they used buses...maybe.
The fire safety aspect is terrifying and a lawsuit waiting to happen
It's a disaster waiting to happen en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire
Imagine the employees at TBC's. They must have screaming nightmares every night.
No kidding!! Good lord, I cant even imagine being one of those shuttle drivers. I'd lose my mind.
They sold away their dignity
@@theinitiate110 trying to control the passengers in that central station will be bedlam when it gets busy.
Short distances and tight curves made it obvious to anyone with sense that the promised system was impossible...
yeah what is with those tight curves i mean it is a short tunnel under a straight street
That's why they never promised to reach 155mph in that tunnel. The goal is to reach 155mph in the Vegas extention, which has a 4 miles straight line.
The tunnel itself has a _boring_ design, no emergency exits, ventilations, fire extinguishers, and more safety standard. That's why it's called " _Boring_ Company"
The first accident in that tunnel would also be the last. So, so dangerous to be driving in a horizontal garbage chute like that.
This is the biggest gimmick of them all
People forget this whole thing is a proof of concept. First figure out IF it can be done, which this has shown, then improve upon it with every iteration thereafter. In other words this is a beta product at best. Give it time and this could revolutionize mass transportation.
@@realjoedee an auto - tunnel is not a new concept, it's proven. All they have done here is make it alot worse and dangerous
@@__beer__ Price is the main factor. Average tunnel costs are 10-20X per mile, but they've innovated the process.
@@__beer__ To be fair EVs does not produce a toxic exhaust like ICE cars so you can reduce the tunnel diameter and be safer.
Re-inventing the subway, but far worse. Reminds me of Uber re-inventing the bus.
I wonder whether they will be exempt from having to use seat belts, like mass public transport is. It's regular cars, so it is hard to see why... that will be hugely inconvenient, the older and more obese people are, for such a short trip. When I visited my parents last Xmas, I had to help my father strap in in his own fucking car because it took him so long... it would be funny if this project dies by safety regulation :)
@@Baerchenization I just hope they shut it down and empty Musk's accounts before people die in that tunnel from fire or smoke inhalation.
Or fucking monorails that were a waste in any place that had it.
Uber didn't reinvent the bus, just Yellow Cab, which Elon also plans to do with his loop.
It has nothing to do with subways, and costs 1000s of times less, is quicker, more flexible and 3d. Its also the very first one, take a breath.
The other massive point of failure is the loading bays. It's just some stairs and open area right next to the parked cars. No room to que people up, no railings or anything to funnel people. No splitters for larger groups, not even a place to have a Kiosk to talk to some one.
Simply it relies entirely on people waking in and getting in the cars on their own, or even more staff standing around helping direct people. Imagine if amusement parks like Disneyland just had open ques and told people to "Get into the ride". There would be chaos and it wouldn't lead to quick loading and unloading.
Frankly if there is less than 3-5 minutes for people to get into and out of the car I would be surprised. Especially if your cramming 3-4 people inside. That tends to be a family, with likely kids and some kind of bags from shopping to worry about.
Hear this out: subway
Where is the complete routing software to make sure that a station doesn't get overloaded and congestion backs up in the tunnels?
That congestion disaster is awaiting the first day of a fully attended CES.
I just regret not watching Common Sense Skeptic before I invested $3k into Tesla. Now I know I will never see that money ever again. Anytime anyone brings up Musk I always direct them to this channel, hopefully it will open their eyes as it did mine. Keep up the great work.
Set your sale price for a small profit and get out if and when some hype pushes it past you purchase price.
Then look into shorting Tesla stock. :p
@@EricLDunn I'll admit I'm long TSLA for now, and have been for a while. I keep watching for the "Theranos reveal" moment. The Nikola moment.... The biggest draw on TSLA in the past year was GME stonks! The stock has nothing to do with underlying business here and I suspect its the same money/mentality that keeps pushing TSLA higher made stocktips a thing. How far can things go?
It looks like it might just be slow attrition. Dustinbins keep blowing up in Boca, loops keep coming in at 30mph, neuralink... Starlink will be interesting. His referral program ensures there are armies of 'influencers' pushing his positive narrative, meanwhile his stans provide cover and purchasing power to push stonks higher!! One analyst says it can go to $2000; buy now!! Musk can then reissue higher and higher, not to mention his compensation package was linked to STONK price!
@@StinkPickle4000 the P/E for Tesla is about 1100 (!) right now. It’s the biggest car company in the world, that sells 1/40 of the cars. How..?
@ Muskateers, or stans, or the fans, or the base, they keep bidding price up. Its not based on business performance. Their "influencers" have convinced people that SpaceX is connected to TSLA, and that buying TSLA is like buying into our "Ludicrous Future" who wouldn't want the future? It's a wonderful future that meant not having to sacrifice a lifestyle to fix climate change just had to buy the right car!
@@StinkPickle4000 It's like a religion.
1950: "in the future we'll have flying cars!"
2021: "it's a super slow subway with colorful lights and a (PR) disaster waiting to happen"
@trevor keen Flying cars actually exist. They're ugly, expensive as hell and iirc require a pilot license, but they exist. Although for the mass market current concepts like battery powered manned drones are more realistic.
Flying cars would be way more dangerous thought...
Another great video. I always knew that Elon Musk’s projects are overhyped scams. But once again, you added additional info I wasn’t aware of like the safety concerns of the tunnels and the drivers for the cars being used.
Keep up the good work.
But the tunnels have pretty lights. And I think they even change color!
colorful lights may seem simple, but it's more profound than it seems! :P
Man, what a genius, nobody has ever done that before.
Colour changing lights,
Must be the future 🤔😆😂
Just you wait until there's a fault in the Chinesium control unit, and the lights begin strobing frantically, giving people epileptic seizures and headaches.
@@NerothLoD , strobing lighting, then the music will start up and we could all dance Elon style
Ok maybe it's the fact that I used to have a diagnoses of epilepsy whilst I was a teenager (it got removed after I hadn't had a fit in 4 years the month after I turned 19), but the lights in the tunnels of the Loop straight up do my head in and give me a headache.
I've no idea how any driver could endure that for the two 4 hour shifts they'd be driving. Frankly I feel bad for the poor souls because whilst it may give me a headache within a few minutes, even if they are resistent to it, they'll be in there for a long time.
I've been involved in a few tunnel projects that run under Sydney, Australia. I can tell that the size of those tunnels is actually a tunnel that is normally only used for utilities like power,comms,water etc. I really dont think anyone other than Boring Company uses that size for vehicles......that would be stupidly cramped and accident prone, even for a single vehicle. Its a death trap.
@@johntheux9238 People can't leave their vehicles even if they wanted to. Also how can reverse in those tunnels when there's like 5 cars behind you at all times and you're all dying from toxic fumes?
The drivers subjected to this LSD lightshow will develop autism... :D
The CIA now knows where to recruit Manchurian Candidates.
As soon as I saw the size of the tunnels, I said to myself, what happens when one of the Teslas goes up in flames? And that's not a possibility, that's an inevitability.
A mathematical certainty. OTHER tunnels have actual fire drills where they light a vehicle on fire and test the response. Some of those tests have even gotten out of hand and caused emergencies themselves.
When are they going to be torching a Model3 midway down a shaft to conduct that test?
@@commonsenseskeptic Muskrat on a similar comment came out with a sterile scenario where the cars ahead of the fireball just drive out, and the ones behind just drive back to safety, and All Is Well. Absolutely ZERO thought given to human nature, and the way people behave when they're trapped. I was trapped in the backseat of a crashed car (on the side of the highway to Vegas) about 11 years ago. The front right wheel had fallen off. Car pulled up behind us, lady ran up and screamed "Your truck is on fire!" then ran away. I tried to open the door. CHILDLOCK. BIL and Brother scramble out the front, now I'm stuck in the back with SIL. Do I gallantly say "After you madam?" Do I f*ck. I scrambled out of that that bloody thing in sheer panic BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO DIE IN A BALL OF FIRE. Imagine how worse, in a similar scenario in that stupid, stupid little tunnel, with smoke filling the space and reducing vis to ZERO. Imagine tumbling out, many people overweight, luggage and crap spilling out, people with health issues (sight, hearing, breathing, walking), children, cars still piling in (break speed @ 35pmh is what? 130feet? That's gonna take a while to shake out. The people in those cars freaking out, every one scrambling over one another in animal panic.
I guess the muskrats have spent so much of their lives mistaking CGI for Reality that when it hits them they won't know what's happened. As an old friend once said "I've stopped waiting for people to deal with reality, now I'm waiting for reality to deal with them".
They burn very slowly so you have more time to escape than from an exploding gas tank.
@@commonsenseskeptic Would you mind posting your math showing it's a certainty?
When I tried to figure out the likelihood of a fire in a tunnel, I started with Tesla's record of 1 fire every 205 million miles. Of the 22 documented Tesla fires I found, 20 have been Model S or X, and 2 have been Model 3, of which there are about 10x more on the road than Model S & X. So that's roughly 100x less likely for a Model 3 to catch fire than a Model S, probably due to the non-removable battery, which is harder to puncture. So that comes to a Model 3 fire every 20 billion miles or so. It looks like they're going with Model 3s so far.
If they manage to achieve 4400 passengers an hour capacity, assuming 4 passengers per vehicle, that's 1100 trips per hour, and I'll assume the average passenger isn't going to do a round trip, but go one way or about a mile, so 1100 miles per hour. So that's about 10 million miles per year. At that rate, they'd hit 20 billion miles or 1 fire every 2000 years.
Of course if they switch to Model X, at 100x more likely to catch fire, that'll take it down to 1 fire every 20 years or so. Though, we should consider road debris that could puncture the battery is going to be rarer in that tunnel than on the highway.
Did I screw up on my calculations? Or are my assumptions off?
@@SodaPopin5ki Your assumptions are off. You are comparing stats of road and highway driving with wider lanes and shoulders to a very tight tunnel, where a vehicle has to pass by any point in the tunnel every 2.4 seconds to hit their target. That’s closer together than the three-second rule used by safe drivers. And you’re assuming 4 pax per vehicle, which take longer to load in an out, which makes the vehicle have to travel faster to hit their lap time.
All the way around, walking is a better solution.
Love the vids. I like relaxing documentaries and the smooth and even tone with no suddenly shouting is perfect for that.
They could have just bought a fleet of trolley buses, installed catenary wires for a fraction of the cost, and carried far more people per hour.
Simpons monorail episode