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You have a similar DVD/VHS combo player to ours (well, my mom's, as I am just 16, so I was either not in existence or not capable of comprehending what a player is back then). I think that might even be the same remote as ours.
Interestingly the group was named after the Hotel (High Sierra Hotel and Casino) where the hardware manufactures (including Apple) gathered to discuss a standard file system for Yellow book (CD-ROM) as up until then (1986/1987) there was no standard file system for CD-ROMS. ISO was based on High Sierra. So yeah, you needed that extension to read many of the early CD-ROM titles. I don't remember it being used much in the mid 90's but that was a while ago so I may certainly be wrong.
All he would need is the System Enabler and the TV Tuner control panel if he is re-installing 7.1. Anything after 7.5 no longer needed System Enablers.
Amazing video like always, Ken! You are so close to 100K and I CANNOT WAIT! You made it this far, and I just want to say, don't ever give up. Congrats dude.
Because they take up too much space. The cubic space one regains from eliminating a CD drive is crucial. Think of all the performance and storage you can fit into that space, nowadays.
@@IanC14 this is a misconception. they do have to be thinner and lighter but a laptop CD drive is naturally at least the size of an entire CD which can fit a LOT of other, smaller and more useful components. SSDs, more cooling, more memory, more battery, a discrete video card... you can get an external disc drive.
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Back in the day, I sold these Macintosh TVs at the SDSU computer store. They were pretty cool because they were black and we had a pair of 'rabbit ears' attached to it so we could demonstrate the TV, back when analog TV signals were broadcast over the air. While watching TV, you could still do Command-Shift-3 to take a screenshot of the TV image, but you could not capture any live video. The CD-ROM drive remained platinum in color because these were an 'experimental' Mac and Apple did not want to spend extra money to have black CD-ROM drives manufactured. At the time, all computers were platinum beige. Apple tested the market to see if a TV tuner would be popular. It was, and Apple introduced the AppleTV/Video card for the LC/Performa/Quadra 630 series of computers. Those boards allowed you to watch TV in a separate window while still using the Mac. The Macintosh TV was a severely limited Mac. It featured a 32 MHz 68030 running on a 16 MHz data bus, with a RAM limit of only 8 MB. Video supported 16-bit color for TV, but only 8-bit color (256 colors) for the Mac. Compared to the LC 520 at 25 MHz 68030 on a 32 MHz data bus, the Macintosh TV was about 15% SLOWER. The LC 575 with its 33 MHz 68LC040, 32 MHz data bus, and 36 MB RAM limit, it was screaming fast compared to the Macintosh TV. The LC 575 also supported 16-bit (Thousands) of colors. People thought the Macintosh TV was cool, but when they saw how much faster the 575 was, and that it was less expensive than the Macintosh TV, they always bought the 575. The Macintosh TV does have a place in Apple's history for being the last Macintosh to ship with a 68030 CPU.
High Sierra File Access probably has something to do with reading CDs. Back when the CD filesystem, commonly known as ISO9660, was being developed, it was originally called the High Sierra Format. I briefly recall this had something to do with the hotel in which the plans were written out on the back of a napkin, or perhaps a restaurant ... I can't remember. Technology Connections here on UA-cam did a wonderful series on the compact disk and this is where I learned about all of this.
5:59 I suggest, if you're going disposable, using Energizer Ultimate Lithium. Slow drain on small devices that don't get used too often, they last forever, and they don't leak. I've switched over to them after getting frustrated with my rechargeables not lasting as long as I thought they would.
What does the number 181222 mean on the CD in 2:37? Also you could just repartition the Mac TV disk. Remove the partitions named 2, 3 & 4, then extend the 1st one to a full 30 MB or so.
Could one “extend” a partition in System 7.1? I’m well aware I can repartition, but I’m not doing anything until I upgrade the operating system. Also, the number is a date. 181222. 18=2018, 12=December, 22=22.
Yeah, I'm an Elder Geek.... I remember and lived through VCR's ( and yes I could program one too) Cassettes, Vinyl,.. Respect your elders, ya young whipper snapper............ :)
The drive info says "ZFP" which is an old brand of LaCie external SCSI drives, so the internal drive in that thing is definitely not original. I wonder if all the tiny partitions is because the Mac repair shop you got it from used the drive as a troubleshooting drive with various versions of MacOS on each partition? Might even be fun to run an ancient version of Norton Utilities and see if you can undelete whatever used to be on there... In any case you should definitely backup the TV-specific software (or preferably the whole drive) and then repartition that sucker and install 7.6. I'm curious if the TV sound input was exposed to the OS in any way for recording. If you check the Sound control panel, does TV sound show up as an input source?
The first video showed a LaCie serial number label on the drive itself, which was my first clue that it wasn't an original drive. Original apple drives of that era typically had a sticker with a single-color apple logo and the number of megabytes somewhere on the top of the drive.
I had a Macintosh Performa when I must have been around 13 or in the early 2000s when I was just starting to get in to computers . I actually had 2 at one time. One was a tower and one was an all in one that had the TV tuner and AV/S-Video in. I got it at a garage sale around $10-20 I think. It was great at that time I wasn't allowed to have a TV in my room but my parrents didn't say I couldn't have an old computer😂. The tv and AV was perfect! We didn't have cable, but over the air local tv with our roof intinna worked great! There absolutely no delay what so ever I played my PS1 and N64 in S-video. It was awesome! I even found a universal remote with an automatic code searcher that worked for it! I got rid of it when I got "better" spare parts for a better Windows XP computer with a Pentium 3 and an AGP ATI all in wonder rage TV capture/ video card, but it was nothing like the performa's Zero latency. You couldn't play any console games with it:/
With the video over now. This really was a primitive version. My performa version much newer, and about FEB HDD. you could run the TV/video in window mode. and record like 280i-360i low quality And you could customize what interface color you wanted. Take screenshots too
I would get one of those adapters that lets you use an SSD. This thing is pretty cool. I remember I briefly had one of the black macbooks. It was pretty cool too.
That daughter board on the Mystic board was not the memory board, it was a network card. The Mystic board uses a single 72-pin SIMM for main memory and two slightly smaller SIMMs for VRAM, while the MacTV board uses 30-pin SIMMs and is already maxed out at 8MB total. The MacTV board also lacks the slot for the network card, the space being taken up by the tuner hardware.
@@evknucklehead yep! That Ethernet card on the LC 575 board from the first video was a PDS card. The LC 575 board has a special communications slot (you can see it next to the PDS card slot in the video). You could buy either a modem or a 10BaseT Ethernet 'comm slot' card without having to block the PDS card slot. I have one in my vintage LC 575 along with the rare PowerPC upgrade card that allows dual booting of the 68LC040 CPU or the PowerPC 601 CPU. The PowerPC upgrade card installed directly into the 68LC040 socket and then you placed the 68LC040 back onto the PowerPC upgrade board.
For the TV adapter, you mean? In general, the TV adapters were composite and S-video only. The monitor is a VGA-ish monitor made especially for the Mac TV, and likely won't accept 15 kHz RGB directly.
Having a computer and tv in on one screen would be sick today Wait, you can connect a pc to a tv and alot of TVs and streaming boxes have pc features like a web browser and mouse and keyboard support... Dang it Or what about the coupmuter inside the tv... That would also be nice.
There's this lowish-res, no edit video from some guy who demonstrated this machine using the RF receiver in 2013. You might think almost 6 years is a lot of time, but actually analog TV was gone (or even long gone) in most places (2010 in my country, for instance), yet this guy zapped around (with the original remote, btw) up to 20+ channels like it was only natural. ua-cam.com/video/61k7yUXj6ck/v-deo.html
No you don't. System Enablers were non-existent starting with System 7.5. System Enablers were only required with System 7.1 and it was Apple's way of making a new Mac compatible with the System Software without having to release an entire new update for that Mac. The Macintosh TV shipped with System 7.1 and System Enabler 404, but you could upgrade to System 7.5 or 7.6 and have all the necessary components installed because the installer would recognize the model as a Macintosh TV.
Hey, I have a Macintosh TV as well, though I need the keyboard and mouse for it, for the OS, I would suggest to do a clean install with just one partition, you can get the correct restore CD image here macintoshgarden.org/apps/apple-restoration-cd-system-software-series-september-1994 it should work just fine, though it will only give you 7.1 which is what it came with, you can then do an upgrade to 7.5.5 which I believe is the max it can take.
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You have a similar DVD/VHS combo player to ours (well, my mom's, as I am just 16, so I was either not in existence or not capable of comprehending what a player is back then). I think that might even be the same remote as ours.
I like watching these videos every Friday or morning or night right now I’m watching at 1:28 pm
Nice video so far Ken! I'm literally watching this on my Power Mac G5 for the Mac Yak PPC Challenge ;)
Computer Clan YOU ARE SOOOOO CLOSE TO 100K
@@HrutkayMods i GOT a Power Mac G3 3weeks AGO LOL :)
15:08 High Sierra is the precursor to the ISO 9660 standard. This extension is probably used to enable CD-ROM support in MacOS.
Ah! That makes sense.
Interestingly the group was named after the Hotel (High Sierra Hotel and Casino) where the hardware manufactures (including Apple) gathered to discuss a standard file system for Yellow book (CD-ROM) as up until then (1986/1987) there was no standard file system for CD-ROMS. ISO was based on High Sierra. So yeah, you needed that extension to read many of the early CD-ROM titles. I don't remember it being used much in the mid 90's but that was a while ago so I may certainly be wrong.
Make a backup of the previous system software because it is a "oem" version specific to this model
he's probably gonna have to find a ide/scsi interface that works on newer macs, not an easy task
All he would need is the System Enabler and the TV Tuner control panel if he is re-installing 7.1. Anything after 7.5 no longer needed System Enablers.
Amazing video like always, Ken! You are so close to 100K and I CANNOT WAIT! You made it this far, and I just want to say, don't ever give up. Congrats dude.
When you started UA-cam Did you ever think that you would be playing Pac-Man on a Macintosh TV?
NOPE. Hell, I didn’t even know what a Macintosh TV was.
Because they take up too much space. The cubic space one regains from eliminating a CD drive is crucial. Think of all the performance and storage you can fit into that space, nowadays.
Meshach Lovelace and who uses them anymore
@@meshachlovelace.8162 because they have to be thinner and lighter. Screw practicality!
@@IanC14 this is a misconception. they do have to be thinner and lighter but a laptop CD drive is naturally at least the size of an entire CD which can fit a LOT of other, smaller and more useful components. SSDs, more cooling, more memory, more battery, a discrete video card... you can get an external disc drive.
I REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY WANT THIS TO BE THE MAIN MAC FOR THE KRAZY KEN SHOW
1:16 Ayyyyy The 8-Bit Guy owns that plug and play device!
Congrats on 100k!
Thank you
@@ComputerClan weres todays vid?????¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿??????????
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@@ComputerClan right now im just installing
mac osx lion on a 2017 imac
@@BlockyOldNov20202 is that even possible? ?
vocally protested when you tried to insert that tape into the vhs player.
never felt such a pain before hahaha
Thank you for mentioning me
Back in the day, I sold these Macintosh TVs at the SDSU computer store. They were pretty cool because they were black and we had a pair of 'rabbit ears' attached to it so we could demonstrate the TV, back when analog TV signals were broadcast over the air. While watching TV, you could still do Command-Shift-3 to take a screenshot of the TV image, but you could not capture any live video. The CD-ROM drive remained platinum in color because these were an 'experimental' Mac and Apple did not want to spend extra money to have black CD-ROM drives manufactured. At the time, all computers were platinum beige. Apple tested the market to see if a TV tuner would be popular. It was, and Apple introduced the AppleTV/Video card for the LC/Performa/Quadra 630 series of computers. Those boards allowed you to watch TV in a separate window while still using the Mac. The Macintosh TV was a severely limited Mac. It featured a 32 MHz 68030 running on a 16 MHz data bus, with a RAM limit of only 8 MB. Video supported 16-bit color for TV, but only 8-bit color (256 colors) for the Mac. Compared to the LC 520 at 25 MHz 68030 on a 32 MHz data bus, the Macintosh TV was about 15% SLOWER. The LC 575 with its 33 MHz 68LC040, 32 MHz data bus, and 36 MB RAM limit, it was screaming fast compared to the Macintosh TV. The LC 575 also supported 16-bit (Thousands) of colors. People thought the Macintosh TV was cool, but when they saw how much faster the 575 was, and that it was less expensive than the Macintosh TV, they always bought the 575. The Macintosh TV does have a place in Apple's history for being the last Macintosh to ship with a 68030 CPU.
High Sierra File Access probably has something to do with reading CDs. Back when the CD filesystem, commonly known as ISO9660, was being developed, it was originally called the High Sierra Format. I briefly recall this had something to do with the hotel in which the plans were written out on the back of a napkin, or perhaps a restaurant ... I can't remember. Technology Connections here on UA-cam did a wonderful series on the compact disk and this is where I learned about all of this.
Nice. I’ve seen TC’s stuff before. I should watch that video…
almost 100k subs, congrats!
I have an idea
Get an hdmi to composite video adapter and see if you can get you mbp to mirror the display on it
The Ms.PacMan plug and play is the best thing ever when you just wanna kill some time.
I love that the icon of Photoshop is a One Hour Photo booth!
Thanks for the awesome video
And thanks for watching.
5:59 I suggest, if you're going disposable, using Energizer Ultimate Lithium. Slow drain on small devices that don't get used too often, they last forever, and they don't leak. I've switched over to them after getting frustrated with my rechargeables not lasting as long as I thought they would.
Woohoo! New video. I have the same Plug-n-play system too!
What does the number 181222 mean on the CD in 2:37? Also you could just repartition the Mac TV disk. Remove the partitions named 2, 3 & 4, then extend the 1st one to a full 30 MB or so.
Could one “extend” a partition in System 7.1? I’m well aware I can repartition, but I’m not doing anything until I upgrade the operating system. Also, the number is a date. 181222. 18=2018, 12=December, 22=22.
Yeah, I'm an Elder Geek.... I remember and lived through VCR's ( and yes I could program one too) Cassettes, Vinyl,.. Respect your elders, ya young whipper snapper............ :)
Congrats on 100k!!!
There's a "Secret Finder Features" extension that enables command-backspace to put item(s) in the trash.
I wonder if the TV interface is on the Macintosh Centris 660av (not including the TV part because it doesn’t have a TV tuner
The drive info says "ZFP" which is an old brand of LaCie external SCSI drives, so the internal drive in that thing is definitely not original.
I wonder if all the tiny partitions is because the Mac repair shop you got it from used the drive as a troubleshooting drive with various versions of MacOS on each partition? Might even be fun to run an ancient version of Norton Utilities and see if you can undelete whatever used to be on there... In any case you should definitely backup the TV-specific software (or preferably the whole drive) and then repartition that sucker and install 7.6.
I'm curious if the TV sound input was exposed to the OS in any way for recording. If you check the Sound control panel, does TV sound show up as an input source?
The first video showed a LaCie serial number label on the drive itself, which was my first clue that it wasn't an original drive. Original apple drives of that era typically had a sticker with a single-color apple logo and the number of megabytes somewhere on the top of the drive.
I had a Macintosh Performa when I must have been around 13 or in the early 2000s when I was just starting to get in to computers . I actually had 2 at one time. One was a tower and one was an all in one that had the TV tuner and AV/S-Video in. I got it at a garage sale around $10-20 I think. It was great at that time I wasn't allowed to have a TV in my room but my parrents didn't say I couldn't have an old computer😂. The tv and AV was perfect! We didn't have cable, but over the air local tv with our roof intinna worked great! There absolutely no delay what so ever I played my PS1 and N64 in S-video. It was awesome! I even found a universal remote with an automatic code searcher that worked for it! I got rid of it when I got "better" spare parts for a better Windows XP computer with a Pentium 3 and an AGP ATI all in wonder rage TV capture/ video card, but it was nothing like the performa's Zero latency. You couldn't play any console games with it:/
With the video over now. This really was a primitive version. My performa version much newer, and about FEB HDD. you could run the TV/video in window mode. and record like 280i-360i low quality And you could customize what interface color you wanted. Take screenshots too
I would get one of those adapters that lets you use an SSD. This thing is pretty cool. I remember I briefly had one of the black macbooks. It was pretty cool too.
Yes, you *did* say "steak" at 1:13.
Can you install that 32mb board (what looks to be a daughter board) on the MacTV board, or is it integral to the other system board?
That daughter board on the Mystic board was not the memory board, it was a network card. The Mystic board uses a single 72-pin SIMM for main memory and two slightly smaller SIMMs for VRAM, while the MacTV board uses 30-pin SIMMs and is already maxed out at 8MB total. The MacTV board also lacks the slot for the network card, the space being taken up by the tuner hardware.
Ah thanks for that! I thought it was an entire memory board.
@@evknucklehead yep! That Ethernet card on the LC 575 board from the first video was a PDS card. The LC 575 board has a special communications slot (you can see it next to the PDS card slot in the video). You could buy either a modem or a 10BaseT Ethernet 'comm slot' card without having to block the PDS card slot. I have one in my vintage LC 575 along with the rare PowerPC upgrade card that allows dual booting of the 68LC040 CPU or the PowerPC 601 CPU. The PowerPC upgrade card installed directly into the 68LC040 socket and then you placed the 68LC040 back onto the PowerPC upgrade board.
0:17 Best Thing that ever existed
Hang on. You had CuteFuzzyWeasel on your show?
Shit, why didn't I find this out until now?
Ironic, I have the remote control but my motherboard is dead... but you have a working motherboard... but no remote! :)
Almost 100k subs
You sound exactly like the guy from regular car reviews
You remember on July 5th you said you would do something with SteamOS
do you know if RGB mod is possible? :P since it's a trinitron, might as well get the best picture
For the TV adapter, you mean? In general, the TV adapters were composite and S-video only. The monitor is a VGA-ish monitor made especially for the Mac TV, and likely won't accept 15 kHz RGB directly.
what happens if you add a folder named "con"?
Having a computer and tv in on one screen would be sick today
Wait, you can connect a pc to a tv and alot of TVs and streaming boxes have pc features like a web browser and mouse and keyboard support...
Dang it
Or what about the coupmuter inside the tv...
That would also be nice.
What’s the newest system software this can run?
I think 7.5.5, seems most places that list it say that's the max, though never hurts to try 7.6
According to Mactracker, it’s Mac OS 7.6. I’ll tackle that installation sensation in a future episode. Stay tuned ; )
In theory this thing can run crisis using a PS3 or an Xbox 360 over composite.
Those odds time when computers with optical drives like this one had hard disk drive sizes massively lower than a CD. The world upside down somehow.
1:03 I watched that in summer 2018 just for sake of... I assume legacy
I have those games on my PlayStation actually
Try connecting a digital turner and watch T.V.
Will it run Crysis?
i dont know why, but the Macintosh TV reminds me of NeXTstation with the monitor and keyboard and mouse
There's this lowish-res, no edit video from some guy who demonstrated this machine using the RF receiver in 2013. You might think almost 6 years is a lot of time, but actually analog TV was gone (or even long gone) in most places (2010 in my country, for instance), yet this guy zapped around (with the original remote, btw) up to 20+ channels like it was only natural.
ua-cam.com/video/61k7yUXj6ck/v-deo.html
1:41 yeah you said Steak 🥩
Yeah that’s great, but can it run Minecraft at 60 FPS?
Maybe if you send the video from another machine through the A/V inputs...
I just realize that the "S" in 0:31 is not straight
I play Pole Position 2 all the time, I play it every day except mine has a glitch every time I go above 43000 points the game doesn’t save
YOU HAVE TO HAVE system enabler 404 to install a version of 7.6...
for the mac tv...
No you don't. System Enablers were non-existent starting with System 7.5. System Enablers were only required with System 7.1 and it was Apple's way of making a new Mac compatible with the System Software without having to release an entire new update for that Mac. The Macintosh TV shipped with System 7.1 and System Enabler 404, but you could upgrade to System 7.5 or 7.6 and have all the necessary components installed because the installer would recognize the model as a Macintosh TV.
if a battery leaks = it vomits
The first apple tv
Hey, I have a Macintosh TV as well, though I need the keyboard and mouse for it, for the OS, I would suggest to do a clean install with just one partition, you can get the correct restore CD image here macintoshgarden.org/apps/apple-restoration-cd-system-software-series-september-1994 it should work just fine, though it will only give you 7.1 which is what it came with, you can then do an upgrade to 7.5.5 which I believe is the max it can take.
Also that High Sierra FIle Access is an extension for reading CDs, and would have come with the Mac.
99k bois
7.6.1
Sony
Pre G3 Macs are so ugly.
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