Detailed look at Schindler Smart
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The way schindler smart levels sometimes were as it was back to the 70s...
If I recall correctly, Schindler sell upgrade kits for modernizing the smarts into something like a 6300 or whatever numbers they are called...
I have recently ridden one of these, and I’m in love with the lift, it’s so cool!
You forgot to lower the pulsing frequency to 1kHz
:p
The DirectDrive was nice too but the the Smart is simply amazing!
Really nice detailled look
Well done Beno
Thanks
You can work out a couple of faultts by certain LED states in the cabinet, you (Schindler engineer or me) can also connect a app/Software to the cabinet. If theres a BUS failure and you dont have the app you are screwed because the COP wont display anything.
Always wondered why these lifts make that noise. The ones where I live are quite loud!
Old windmills had worm gear in the mechanism that turned the top to face the wind, probably long before other machines had them.
Given all the parts could you fit a lift system in an average tower block?
This is just so epic! I’ve rode one today in Gravesend and it was awesome and epic!
I didn't know there was one in Gravesend
@@benolifts It’s in an apartment building which is usually locked but the day we went to see it the door was unlocked
The 2nd version is very grotty.
I know of a rather rude one at the villa del Conde in Gran Canaria, which jolts when the doors open and squeaks. And the gearbox noise is very loud and higher pitched than this one. It also doesn't have a voice or a chime.
Also, the hotel uses them as SERVICE LIFTS
Well Schindler Smart wasnt the first keypad floor select lift, Ive seen a 72 floor Otis from 1986 that had keypads inside
A mall I've been to has one of these, though it only serves 3 floors.
Recently, they massacred it by adding a cheap nasty keyswitch to the ground floor and replacing the flat call button on the ground floor with a regular one, which they just bodged right onto the original one.
2:15 The only Schindler Smart elevator I found in Romania had a _slightly_ different motor than that one you showed
You find these in many NHS doctors around Manchester possibly around the UK
Most of these that were installed in Australia are absolutely shite! Many of ours break down at least 3x as often as a standard MRL
I thought the load could not drive input shaft backwards on a worm drive gearbox (like the thread in a vice or a jack). Was I lied to?
Depends on the ratio
"wormey" - I like that :)
3:21 i think it was discontinued about 9 years later, so it actually lasted pretty long for it’s unusual design
Well done Beno!! I was wondering what the motor in the Schindler Smart looked like, love the sound of it! Not seen one in the wild yet but found the Orona worm drive!
I still need to dangle an Orona worm drive
@@benolifts i wish greece had schindler smart but no we have otis gen2s cheap and schindler eurolifts some kones ecodisc and m sereis and some generic lifts
@@benolifts
Quick Question: Did Schindler ever do a “5300”?
Omg yes!!! Schindler SMART worm drive ❤️😀😀😀
One of the most interesting lifts ever invented
The millennium, I remember when the year 2000 was the future. Now it’s well into the past. O dear, I suddenly feel old. I wonder if that keypad has some hidden easter eggs. Imagine if Casio had designed it, it would have a built-in calculator. I bet it wouldn’t be difficult to mod the firmware to do this😁. The wormgear really sounds like a car reversing or a food processor grinding it’s kitchen mixer bowl gears.
Those blue LED panels 06:15 are usually installed to prevent drug injecting.
I've seen blue lighting in the stairwell of a block of flats. Doesn't auger well.
I do like how on the smart you do still operate it like a normal push button system you only press 2 buttons the button to call it and the button to select your floor
Oooh i think i recall being in one of these with the capacitive buttons! It was so long ago tho so dont quote me on that
Yea I have been in one with the capacitive buttons in the local library
I remember when I found my first one, which was at Norridge castle. I remember being amazed with how weird it was and how fast it accelerated.
@@benolifts I havent seen one of those since and actually, I think the only really different lifts over here that i daily encounter is a 3300 with capacitive buttons and and old Schmitt+Sohn (i think thats how its spelled?)
Literally EVERY other public place here uses Otis Gen2s or 2000s which is a bit boring, tho i have found one of the newer Oronas around too
The one you filmed was epic but it would be awesome to see the touch sensitive/capacitive version however that one isnt really that common
Hello beno
I have seen this exact lift in my country, but sadly it was replaced like 5 years ago...
Those Schindler smart lifts are also used in hospitals, hotels, apartments, office blocks, supermarkets, railway stations and other buildings. I wonder why these lifts are very modern and much more reliable.
I don't think these little MRLs wouldn't cope with the abuse they would receive in hospitals and railway stations.
@@benolifts True.
5:55 wow no wonder schindler discontinued the smart model because it was such a hell hole to maintain and it must be a nightmare to fix if it breaks
I cannot see these lifts going for 50 years or more like so many others have. Imagine trying to remove that gearbox if the lift cannot be moved because it's jammed up. I guess the aim is to sell the building before that happens..
Sadly these are unlikely to last 50 years. Although, nothing lasts that long nowadays. The only stuff built now that is the equivalent to the quality of the 60s are top of the range stuff such as Kone MX32 and Schindler 7000, which are not common lifts to find. With that said, the other day I found a Kone MX32 in a building with only 11 floors. That was completely epic. You never see such lifts in 11 floor buildings. The building owner must have had a thing about having a good lift, as everything else about the building was bog standard.
With the Schindler smart, the failure point is the doors. The cheap doors on lifts such as Kone MX06/NMX07, Schindler 3300 and smart, Thyssenkrupp MRLs, and all Oronas are terrible. The doors mess up all the time and are far too cheap for the job. The Motor is the highest quality component on this lift. The chance of the gearbox jamming up is unlikely. If that was too happen the whole lift would probably be replaced. Generic engineers rarely replace major components and prefer to make more money by persuading the building owner to modernize, and on a lift like this where they probably don't understand it and don't want to put in the effort into understanding it, then the likelihood of repairs being carried out is even less. The main reason for these being modernized is because the logic makes the lift hard to maintain.
wow so smart get it smart
La primera vez que vi un schindler smart me recordo a un microondas por su panel de botones, tambien por el indicador y por el sonido del motor
That’s funny
9:09 well sometimes you have fun things you want to do but arent able to since you have to respect the nature of a dangerous area like a shaft
Orona didnt copied the Schindler Smart motor but they made their own geared motor more compact so it can fit in lift shafts Otis also have invented a MRL wormdrive lift which is the 2000 VF MRL with an Otis 2000 geared motor in the shaft.
In our Doktors House we have a Schindler Smart 1st Generation vor only 3 Floors
Have you seen the very rare Haushahn smarts in Germany.
There are so many of these in my city atleast 7 of them
I haven't watched your videos in a while the last time i watched your video, is the evil owl and generic lifts
My college has a Schindler smart but you have to ring for the code lol (I got it by watching someone input the code lol
I wonder if there is a way to get around the code input, some lifts can do this with the use of keys but on Smarts I have never found a single keyswitch inside..
Could you film tje lifts at trafford shopping centre and speke reatail park
I am not planning on returning to Manchester
Oh thats ok when you do please make one PLEASE
Because it has a lot of difent lifts
@@l_a_johno5097 I just find Manchester a very depressing place. The buildings seem rather pathetic, the lifts are rather forgettable, and the people their are stuck up northerners who think it is their job to poke their noses into other peoples business. Also in that part of England (Leeds Manchester, Preston, Blackpool) people aggressively try to force people to be normal and lose any uniqueness they may have. They are also nasty towards autistic people.
I don't know, I just don't like northern England. I will go back at some point to revisit Leeds and Blackpool, but that will probably be it.
Wait wasn’t the isis a destination dispatch on 1 of the models In 1 of your older videos
Isis mk 1 keypad edition is a keypad floor select lift (not destination dispatch)
The motor sounds like an Montanari motor
hey austin this is guys
hey austin this is Schindler Smart
hey guys this is austin
thyssenkrupp did a similar thing to Schindler smart with their futuristic thyssenkrupp model which was sadly only made for places like the UK so I know nothing about it since Im not from there but the only difference was the style of the keypad and of course thyssenkrupp put their name under it
ThyssenKrupp ISIS is a French design of lift and was installed throughout Europe. The ThyssenKrupp keypad feels very different in operation to Schindler Smart. With the Schindler the floor is selected as soon as the button is pressed, unless their is multiple possibilities of what button can be pressed next. So if there are floors 0 to 11. If you press the 1 button there is a 2 second delay to see if you will then press 0 or 1 for 10 or 11, however, if you press 2 there is no delay as there are no other possibilities of what you could be choosing. But with the ThyssenKrupp it is full of delays. and considering that these lifts only serve a few floors it is rare that there would be a 2 digit floor. The delay confuses pretty much everyone who isn't a lift enthusiast. People wanting floors 1 and 2 would keep being told that floor 12 does not exist. Then there is a delay after choosing a floor for the lift to think about it. You can only enter a floor when it says "Free apparatus". ThyssenKrupp literally expected regular dumb members of the the public to have to learn how their lift works, which was never going to happen in the real world. Also thee is the issue of maintenance. Both are hard to maintain. The Schindler displays fault codes on the indicator and has no fault indicator in the cabinet, so the engineer has to move the lift to the top floor and go inside to see the fault, which would most likely have changed by the time this had happened. But it used a basic 2 speed levelling, either without VF or with a generic Vacon drive. With the ThyssenKrupp it was such a complex proprietary system that it is very hard to maintain. ThyssenKrupp put in so many restrictions that not many other companies could maintain it apart from ThyssenKrupp themselves. Plus the lifts break down all the time. ThyssenKrupp had made a copy of a design that Schindler had discontinued in favor of regular buttons, after they had discontinued it, then made it so hard to maintain that building owners hated it, and made it so hard to use that passengers hated it, and made it with ThyssenKrupp's signature lack of reliability. And then they wonder why no building owner in England wants to buy their lifts nowadays.
Ok thanks for the information now Ill know more about it if I visit the UK or europe some day
@@benolifts To diagnose the TK ISIS lift's logic which is called MCI if I'm not wrong you need the TK POME tool and To maintain the mechanical parts you need very very competent lift engineers. One these lifts the motor and Unidrive VF are made by Leroy Somer which is owned by Nidec. Unidrive
VFs are also used by Orona but branded as Control Techniques. These TK lifts are very overcomplex but I know 1 of them which has very fast acceleration good deceleration slight pre doors and nice clunky brakes. This one was installed in September 2004, has 7 levels and was my childhood's favourite lift and still an awesome lift today. Theres a 2nd TK in the building from February 2005 which is much more tired, has no pre doors, is rather violent, has the floor directory screen replaced but it has 2 sets of doors, serves 8 levels and the top floor is someones apartment and you need To type a code using the keypad floor selection To go up there. The 2 lifts are maintained by Schindler but sadly I didnt tried The special features of the keypad... these are located at some fairly posh 2000s flats but I can no longer get into these flats. Last time I was here was in April 2023.
@@benolifts TK Isis lifts have Unidrive VFs (Same as Orona)
which can do intelligent levelling
Oi oi early innit
why does the voice sound like a ecodisc?
It is the early Schindler and Kone voice
@@benolifts ah
It looks a bit like Deve buttons actually
Imagine Kone M-series
8:51 3300 chime ?
I have not heard a 3300 make this chime. 3300 chimes are more harsh sounding and more low bitrate sounding.
@@benolifts Ok
But similar chime smart amd 3300
Saddly KONE KCE habe Electronic break release ;(
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@@benolifts That is correct all the way.
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Terribly for London Bus 191 TERMINATING UNCOMMONLY IN GREAT CAMBRIDGE ROAD 8:00!!
Ok fine you are
You should get a job in lift maintenance.
nah
While you might think that makes sense, for Beno, he fears that it would become less fun if he became a lift engineer. Not that that stops others from doing so.
@@benolifts haha fair enough 😂
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