This Linux PC Runs macOS Faster Than a Real Mac
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2020
- This hackintosh isn't a hacintosh... it's actually a Linux PC running macOS as a virtualized OS. And it's fast. Like, really fast.
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Install snapd: snapcraft.io/docs/installing-...
Sosumi: snapcraft.io/sosumi
macOS-Simple-KVM: github.com/foxlet/macOS-Simpl...
If macOS-Simple-KVM documentation isn't simple enough, this is a more in-depth guide: passthroughpo.st/new-and-impr...
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Me: Waiting to hear how to configure GPU passthrough
Snazzy: Let's skip the boring part
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the arch wiki will tell u how to do that
Ever since switching to Arch I now don't make any decisions in life without consulting the wiki.
@@MaxMacZone hahaha that's hilarious
Check out some ordinary gamers. He did a tutorial on it.
yeah seems like the hard part, i just wonder if kvm-QEMU can also run windows ? And maybe like create shortcut on a desktop gui basis ? (i need a secondary low end gpu though)
Then: "The fastest Macintosh is an Amiga"
Now: "The fastest Mac is a Linux PC"
turns out not much has changed since then
Let's emulate modern OS in Amiga 500 with OCS! In 68000 assembler, for sure.
I still have my Amiga 500 in my attic somewhere. Love that thing. I think it was underrated in the USA back then IMO! Peace!
Well, I can remember having run a MS-Dos emulator on an Atari ST emulator. On a Amiga 1200. :D
@@dub2536 My Amiga 1200 is right beside me right now. Although, I did not turn it on for a long time.
as far as I am concerned my Linux PCs with Intel Core i7 Haswell CPUs and AMD NAVI GPU are the current pinnacle computing systems of the 21st century. I can use them to run directly, compile and run, emulate or virtualize almost any software that has ever existed. With easy use of any game controller or other input or display device, the only relevant platforms the GNU/Linux 64-bit Intel Computer is incapable of supporting or has issues with include: obscure Windows programs that don't run well in Wine or VM (most work perfectly), Online Windows games with aggressive, expertly-written anti-cheat software (weak anti-cheats can be bypassed), NVIDIA RTX Shader technology that can only be executed by the special hardware in an NVIDIA RTX GPU, and Xbox One games (the only console there is no emulator for. For PS4 games, you will have an AMD CPU not Intel, because the PS4 is completely jailbroken and when you use it as your Linux PC, it will have an AMD CPU, and you may run PS4 games on it also 😹), and the software compiled for a modern *IBM z14 MAINFRAME COMPUTER* , this large computer's CPU is more specialized and powerful for its intended software than zOS emulators on amd64 are. Beyond that, Intel and their friends the US government can spy on you using the Intel Management Engine, no matter what you do. Aside those things there is no platform better, though we shall see what Apple can do to encourage competition with ARM CPUs in the Desktop PC market..
Haha Quin talking about the Arch meme, you love to see it
Nice to see you around here 👀
Hello mate, just dual booted pop os 20.10 after your review... :)
Somebody watches NorthernLion...
BTW I use Arch (not).
Btw i use Marchjaro
I really wish Adobe would start supporting Linux again if that happened I would have zero reasons to use mac or windows ever again.
Again??? When did Adobe support Linux?
It will not happen
Im no pro graphic designer but for moderate publishing SOHO I do very well with GIMP+Inkscape on a daily basis
@@alerey4363 - try Photopea too. Worth a look. Totally browser based and runs on anything, even a Chromebook.
@@markconger8049, they did a FrameMaker beta test program many years ago.
Love the transparency of building your virtual macOS. Usually, I have a hard time finding tutorials not knowing where to start, this pretty much gives lots of insights with each mention of performance tweaks.
Thanks!!
@@snazzy Even ir its not a full blown out tutorial, this video leaves a great taste of mouth. I'm happy that you ventured from Pop!OS to Arch-ish. How is the community treating your questions?
9:26 Editing snafu?
lolololol
cam here to say this
i refreshed my page when i got this, then i watched it again and refreshed, 3rd time i realized it was the video and not youtube or my browser...
I thought my youtube is glitching out lol
Maybe yes, but I think he was trying to make a silly joke about two OSs running simultaneously. He makes lots of silly jokes, this one didn't work.
This is incredibly interesting. I would love a full blown tutorial on the entire set up process for this.
Want Mac like experience on Linux? There's Elementary O.S!
I found it disappointing that he skipped one of the most crucial parts which is the passthrough stuff and he said it's boring. Yes, perhaps he thought it was boring, but for noobs like myself, it's impossible to understand what he was talking about. :-(
"There's no sound"
Every Linux user ever: First time?
Oh yeah I needed a specific driver for sound in Linux on my Chromebook. Almost forgot.
In terms of Linux, it’s usually the WiFi for me.
What are you talking about, I have dual booted linux a few times now and everything works.. Distro's I have tried are Pop OS, Manjaro and Kubuntu
Didn't know Jesus used Linux
@@fernandos.946 Linux is basically OS heaven
I was trying to do this yesterday and you upload a tutorial today. HMMM Interest at 100% again!
For your own setup (and likely mine) you should consider going for a 'lite' (headless, stripped whatever you might call it) Arch based distro that is configured to basically act as a kiosk for VM. Removing the memory/resource footprint of the host means you can allocate more resources to the guest and you'll likely cut your overhead in half. A little more user expertise required but for better results all in.
how do you do dat doe
@@teletaminent_brb look up Linus Tech Tips video on running MacOS on non Mac hardware from a few years back.
Thanks for making this vid, waiting to see this type of stuff more from you man
Wooow, didn't expect any Linux related content on this channel.. I'd like to see it more in the future!! :)
your tutorial is awesome, instead of having a separate Mac now I build a monster running all the OS. Thanks
This is another classic Snazzy video. Dude, the level of your geekiness is unparalleled. Glad I subbed a long time ago. Now to go and get some nothing done. 😉
4:14 “Sosumi” ... now there’s a name with a long Macintosh history ...
Butt-Head Astronomer
Great as always. Did you check out Proxintosh virtualization?
Mutahar : I'm proud of you son.
Bruh
Damn, he's changing the game
Ah yes, another mutahar enjoyer. Nice to see you
Lol, just thought of muta's last video about VMs.
Muta released a video about VMs Yesterday, today, this guy. Coincidence?
Quinn speaking Spanish and talking about linux.. what a great way to start my Sunday.
That was actually Italian.
@@danielcs88 no, Argentineans/Uruguayans use hands like that too..
He said "Qué vaina Ché" 😅 makes sense I believe he lived some time in South America before becoming a UA-camr.. As missionary of The Church Of Jesus Christ..
@@geogmz8277 it threw me off too lmao
“Que vaina Ché” jajajaja Quinn es el major
Awesome job on that! Love the little side "undesirables" bit haha. While I've not dabbled with Linux but have tried a Hackintosh, this seems interesting to try.
As always giving us great and unique content 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Absolute banger of a video! In a sea of Notepad tutorials, MovieMaker transitions and cringy EDM music, yours are what I would describe as the highest standard of instructional video. Heh, the connoisseur's choice in tutorials. You're literally putting others to shame. Well done, Quinn! You're a treasure!
Great introduction - as always! I've followed your steps and the great documentation on the Passthrough Post. I've allocated 8 GB of ram and 4 cores to the VM but still fells to un-responsive / laggy to being a real alternative to a real mac. Is it simply a question of adding enough ressources or any other tips for performance enhancements? Maybe there is a way to increase the vram for the integrated graphics I'm currently running on? (coffee lake, UHD 630 graphics).
Talk about timely. I think this gave me the last piece of the puzzle I needed to migrate my work mac to a VM.
This helped clarify this so much! Thanks
Calling it "sosumi" sold me on that virtualization project on its own. Triple entendre FTW! :D
Looks like Quinn's been watching too many videos from SomeOrdinaryGamers. Muta's obsession with VMs has rubbed off on him 👀
Hello, its me Mutahar
@@RxTitanAH everyone gangsta till he says his opening line in hindi
@@alolanstarboy One day he will have entire video in Hindi and we will all pretend we understood what is he saying in English.
*Mutahar laughing intensifies*
@@Verpal unless you're Indian like me and actually understand him 👀
Hehe! That was a great video. So the Hackintosh fever isn't gone. Great to see this!
Amazing! Never thought I'd be finish watching this video!
1:00 Wait-wait-wait... did you just say I can turn my iPad Pro into a tennis racket?! That's a hidden feature! You should make a video about that!
3:42 a wild Mutahar appears
Oh yeah
Amazing work, thanks for making this.
Wow, nice, that you switched to Manjaro.
Due to this video, I found you again after not watching your videos for years.
you really shouldnt even be getting a 10-20% performance hit if youve configured it properly. it should be more like
it's likely cpu pinning. Even when you do pin the cores correctly it can be really tricky to get qemu to report the proper cache layout.
actually, ryzen perform better on linux than windows or intel like what you suppose to get 20% gains on linux since linux does actually use corectly
I am going to assume you realised sosumi is a play on " So sue me" directed at Apple haha
Edit: As mentioned in the replies from the Beatles dispute situation
The origin traces back to the Apple VS The Beatles dispute if you don't already know.
apparently it's been removed from the snap store... the link in the description is not only broken. If you search the term sosumi on the website it wont find anything. And google or DDG dont show search results for installing sosumi without snap... Even the github page only shows the run of the mill CLI installation that does not find any package named sosumi... It's been effectively wiped off the face of the w^3
WTF, it seems, I came along a bit too late into the game.
Love the disclaimer, LOL good stuff!
As always, quality videos right here!
He breaks down Anthony's language of Gods into one for peasants.
By skipping all the hard parts, so you have to figure it out for yourself. More of a teaser than a howto.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Haha
Can I use this with a nvidia gpu?
Does Snazzy Labs ever reply any of the comments/questions? What's the point in Subscribing if we do not get any feedback?
I’ve been doing iOS development on a macOS KVM on my 3950x for about 6 months now... I’ve really impressed by the performance... I also think we could probably see a big performance increase with Zen 3.
What GPU do you use?
@@StarmanDX RX580
2 years later, but does the virtualization support OS updates flawlessly?
(Being an over 10years MacOS, and tired of buying macs for thousands of $, looking for life long alternatives 😅)
You are a stud! thanks. what a great video. SO many options for Mac. SO, when are the ARM macs coming out? I've been watching your channel for months and I keep pushing off building a new computer because of this apple switch. Thanks very much for your channel
Now this is the type of content I can get behind ✊
I documented the instructions for Solus for macOS Simple-KVM
Point 1 3:10 It will work well on a core 2 duo and above. If you investigate foxlet's script, he has listed the processor as a C2D. So anything with Westmere and above will work just fine.
Point 2 Import it to Virtual Machine Manager if you are not comfortable with the terminal.
Point 3 You can do a passthrough before the install modify the ram and do all sorts of things before the install. Either modify the scripts or rogue stuff through the virtual machine manager in Foxlet's script.
Point 4: 2-5% hits common. VMWare and virtualbox but 20%. I haven't seen the KVMmanager eatmore than 5%.
Great JLC Reverso!
1 - I noticed that recently, so many Tech UA-camrs became mechanical watches collectors. Did you notice that trend?
2 - Please make a SOTC 2020 (no tech-related, but very cool nevertheless).
This will probably be my future setup. I was looking at doing something like this last year.
“Kde Plasma seems to be the most user friendly”
My how the times have changed
Well its not bad if you dont touch any settings, the settings is a minefield. Pretty mutch all other desktop environments are easier.
I dont find any desktop environments for linux friendly tbh
@@fredrik2008 with KDE the approach is usually that you follow a tutorial on youtube and just copy step by step
and it starts looking great
@@battlebuddy4517 well then you havent tried deepin or gnome.
I have xfce. Is it good?
3:20 Oh snazzy! Virtualization on Intel is actually called VT-x! VT-d is a feature that allows for passthrough of pci and pci-e devices via iommu, also usefull for virtualization, but only if you want to passthough a pysical gpu instead of e.g. virtio or qxl for fully virtualized graphics (i.e. no second power succing gpu in your system, although performs worse then real one).
Thanks, Quinn. I've been struggling to install macOS vm with VMWare on my Ryzen 5 2600. macOS-Simple-KVM is working great
This was really odd and good as the same time. As a mac user, I became more interested in coding and hacking because of this channel. Keep it up. I am really waiting for the arm reviews @ this channel because I need to buy one this year but damn, they are taking too long to come out.
Manjaro linux? Wise choice sir.
It will break, eventually. And if they are not apt with Linux they can't fix it.
@@ashishdeharia9137 That's only if you're a power user, in my experience the only time my Manjaro Gnome 20.04 system has only broken when I try to do something that pretty much only a hardcore developer would do. But I don't know how you have used Linux so maybe it does break for you.
In my experience, the Debian KVM is slightly more stable than manjaro but for everything else Manjaro is better
@ateb3 I'm more pacman with Linux
@ateb3 I use btwOS
Thanks for this video Quinn, I found it right when I'm once again seriously looking into taking my music production into the Linux world. I've probably watching this video about 8 times already.
Question: do you (or anyone else) have any recommendations for a Linux distro specifically for music production? How would Manjaro do with cutting down on latency, and general compatibility with audio interfaces (FireWire or USB)?
I think Canonical have a separate, specific, audio-tuned distro called *Ubuntu Studio*, which is customised for audio production.
Whilst I don’t know what they’ve done under the bonnet, it’s logical that they’ve stripped out all the non-essential chaff and concentrated on enhancing audio interface acceleration and worked on cutting out system and software latency as much as possible, given that it’s designed for running DAW’s, racks, patch bays and the like.
I hope this helps, Will.
6 years linux user here. Linux has some BAD (really bad) issues with the way Memory Management was built on it (it's one of the core elements of the system that cannot be tweaked) To give one practical example: one of these days I was browsing the web, many tabs open, system ran into low memory, after some time I have noticed Pulseaudio (the entire Audio subsystem) was put into Disk Swap (pagefile)
So yeah... if an operational system that claims to be "the solid foundation on which 98% of the internet is hosted on" and another big buzz words claims that they love to brag about, if a system that claims that is okay with the decision to put your Sound system into disk pagefile, I'm sorry, that means the thing is flawed at the very core foundations of it
Not to mention that everything on Linux takes extra steps of manual labor to accomplish.
Another problem with Linux currently is hardware support, for laptops for example Linux will run 10 to 15 C degrees hotter than Windows 10, less battery life (because the CPU is never allowed to rest on idle) Despite what is preached out there, Linux is terrible for AMD consumers, for Intel+Nvidia it works
Wanna make a quick test and see how linux acts on situations of memory stress?
Boot up any distro ISO and load up an audio with more than 1 hour duration on any audio editor/DAW
The audio will be decompressed to WAV format into RAM, any successive edits you make on it will use more RAM until you ran out and entire system freezes (lose all progress, restart from zero)
Great video !! How did you do tu run the GPU outside of the CPU Box ?
Great content - think about virtualizing my old mac on my Windows machine
Nice “HD Music” browser icon;)
hahahahaha
9:26 nice editing
Love this tutorial! Im trying it out right now, many thanks for doing this.
Im a hard core linux fan boy and will pimp it to whoever I see would benefit and my two cents on distros are: Manjaro is freakin awesome with the community compiling apps that are hard or next to impossible to install on other distros (Ie Davinci Resolve) ..but...it has broken on me a bunch of times, Im nt the only one and there are ways for that not to occur apparently, I use it on a old Imac funnily enough.
PoP OS is my fav flavour , its Ubuntu done right , not one Issue in 2 years... not one!
Could you please make a separate video to explain how to completed the proper GPU passthroughs? For a newbee like me, it is most essential.
I wish Linux gets more application support so that I can make it my daily driver. Currently, I'm learning GIMP so as to do my Photoshop work there. I don't think GIMP can fully replace it but I'll see. If you guys have any suggestions to what apps available as an alternative to Photoshop in Ubuntu, I'll be happy to know that.
Hey, when are we getting the DIY turn your iPad pro into a tennis racket tutorial?
Quin do you walk through the components of this build in a video or online? I know you talk about processor in the video, I'm curious about the other components.
I installed Manjaro and loved it so much I just use that ATM. I will eventually get to the VMs.
Would like to see some Vintage Mac products that would be could see how compare to now
I've been using this since I built my rig for things that can only be done on macOS (and some Safari testing). It is awesome. Sadly, I have GTX 1080 Ti so I am stuck on High Sierra. And honestly, it is better than a Hackintosh, simply because of the outstanding features Linux sports on the disk management side (you can use ZFS with compression, encryption, snapshots for example, plus it has great caching capabilities if you have lots of RAM). Even if you needed to run macOS full-time, you can set it up in Linux so that it starts the VM on your display output by default. There is very little difference from a Hackintosh at that point and you get it on a standardized set of hardware (Qemu and all it provides)
nice! Can you make a video about Proxmox VE 7 + BigSur setup ?
Hey Snazzy, what's the flip thingy you got on the wall with your snazzy youtube handle? Tried to find it, but no cigar. Thanks mate, keep up the great work.
Love the chaturbate logo @ 10:44 that says HD Music below it lmao
Lmao noticed it too
“The apple pippin, the best product ever made” LMFAO
Glad I caught that, too. Just watched the LTT video showcasing the Pippin today.
Also: "You'll find yourself Googling tutorials on how to turn the iPad Pro into a tennis racket."
Nice.
What HW are you using? Motherboard? GPU? Thanks! Best! Great Videos!
This is awesome! and I got it to work as far as the video! Question though, how is anyone transferring files between the host and guest? I must be missing something??
if I'm never going to do this builds, why do I love so much watching these kind of videos? :v
Audio desync around 9:30 oof
Because it's a different video haha
@@obeardedonehd7806 exactly voice over a different video
Might be a clip from a different take that was supposed to be cut off
It's a video in a video, don't cha know meta bro ?
I can't believe I finished watching the video but. You are epic.
Manjaro team rocks. They've really hit the magic spot between giving users all the configurability of linux a la Arch and the user experience somebody moving to Linux from Windows would expect. Also, I've found ManjaroARM to be the best running distro on Raspberry Pi 4 (better than their own OS or the ubuntu that's still nowhere near Manjaro, after a year of trying).
This is soooo cool. I may want to try this on my 2012 Mac Pro, which can't run Catalina (because Apple ⚡⛈️☄️🔥🌊). So, I install Linux, then run Catalina (and later Big Sur) as a VM. Sweet.
You can use VirtManager so you can configure a QEMU/KVM easier
He's an Arch Linux Chad. GUIs are for the weak
XD
Could the KVM macOS script have something to do with why VirtManager wasn’t used here?
@@SebastianHaban cli gang
Kick ass video, although I don't do this type of thing often, this is awesome.
Great vid, thanks. If the virtual disk for macOS is 300g, how big does Manjaro really need to be?
0:54 “You’ll find yourself googling tutorials on how to turn your iPad Pro into a tennis racket.”
Listen, after Mr. Mobile turned his LG Wing into a ping pong paddle, I just had to know how I could make my iPad into a tennis racket.
My personal iPad experience makes me want to turn it into a frisbee. Though to be fair in only half of the cases it's the iPad's fault being not having enough RAM and not fast enough storage. The other half being the homebrew apps from my employer, Boeing and the security authentication related to them.
Funny thing, on my Catalina Mac, I actually sometimes run Mojave in Fusion so I can use an occassional 32-bit app.
All of my Mac OS game stopped working when I upgraded to Catalina, so I'm in the same boat.
For me, FreeBSD, Linux and Windows run at about 95% of native performance on Fusion. MacOS runs at about 2% of native performance 😢.
@@katrinabryce are you sure you have the cores and ram set up correctly? I don't have that problem.
@@flammablewater1755 you can still downgrade
Ah... yeah... I forgot about that problem... MacOS dropped support for 32-bit, didn't it? So that means I would not be able to play my old retro games. Shame... Well, but 32-bit applications would still work inside of Wine, correct? Can anyone confirm? I can't live without my Simcity 3000 LOL
I gave this video a like. I love Manjaro KDE. I also love Arch running KDE. I wish I could KDE all the things...
Good Morning Snazzy, can i use the vm image to install on a hackintosh? i have lots of fun following your video and appreciate the details as simple as it is to use by a new linux/mac user! BIGTHANKS. Of course i have to ask for instruction to backup my mac on a flash drive to install on a it on my hackintosh.
10:44 HD Music
10:43 Nice Chaturbate icon in your favorites there, mate.
From a separate comment: Odd. It was a site I used to (erm, semi-illegally) acquire DSD music download rips from Blu-ray audio disks when I couldn't find them legally. Seems the URL is dead and now redirects somewhere different every time you click the link. Safari must have auto-snagged the favicon from one of the times it redirected to somewhere sus. I've clicked it 4 times in the last 5 minutes and it went to a Spotify playlist, CNN, a "buy this domain" page, and another page that tried to have Safari download something. Would not recommend visiting for obvious reasons but for those curious: hdmusic.biz/
@@snazzy We've all heard that one before.
@@SonofHan lol
Thanks for the video. I will give this a try. :)
On Gigabyte Motherboards the Virtualization setting for AMD CPUs is called SVM (for anyone having trouble figuring it out)
Damn I need to switch to linux
Come on in. Water’s warm.
Go with Linux Mint Cinnamon, or if you like the risks with Manjaro Gnome.
I switched back in June. It's been really nice so far. I only use Windows for gaming now, and will probably stop using it all together if game support continues to grow for Linux.
I can hear Mutahar screaming in the distance.
Cool video-I have a question; do you think a current macbook would be as fast/faster than a 2011 imac? It's my wife's computer, and I have upgraded it with 32 gb of ram and a 1tb SSD, so it is quite fast, but the hardware is no longer supported. I'm thinking about getting a new macbook and a nice monitor for her, but am unsure if the experience would be as good...
Yeees love videos like these
"if you didn't send it to somebody you don't like" That is the confidence I would like to see more of, here take this 100 internet point.
A comma after "didn't" would really help to make it more understandable, otherwise it can all be one clause.
@@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 know that i reed it agein you are right. thank you really much.
11:00 Send it to somebody you don't like🤣🤣🤣
I'd like to see your opinion on OpenCore and maybe a "brief" setup video and performance testing.
@Snazzy Labs what is going on with the audio from 9:27 to 9:32?? is it suppose to be like this?
_”Qué vaina, che!”_
Quinn, are you ok?
*Aquí no hablamos esas lenguas prohibidas...*
Muchos no saben que el hablá Español. 😅
Found this in an article explaining how to setup sosumi: "It's worth noting from the start that Apple doesn't allow installing macOS on non-Apple hardware, so to use this legally you must have Linux installed on Apple hardware." I guess that's where it gets it's name from.
This needs to get more attention.
Quick question, sysadmin with VFIO experience: Would it be ok to remotely support a Mac user with VFIO setup - or do you think native Mac HW is still the only way for BFU. Even used Macbooks have more than 30-40% price so performance is not a problem.
The writing style for this video is refreshing
Quinn: "Here's how to run MacOS under Linux"
Me: "Why? Everything I do for free in Linux costs money in MacOS!"
Ten years ago the MacOS version of an app was highly polished and perfected whilst the Linux version was rather rough around the edges - now its quite the other way around but now you're expect to hand over $25 for what is a free app on other Linux or even Windows.
@Marc T It's because the Mac has gotten worse.
...because I have accumulated over 10K dollars worth of software on the Mac that meets my needs, but am using it on a computer with a small screen that needs to be replaced due to failing components and Apple doesn't make 17" screens anymore for portables and doesn't make repairable upgradable computers anymore. Even a battery replacement for a Mac costs over $300. That's stupid.
_“KDE Plasma,”_
OMG 😱 I’m agreeing with snazzy...
*curse you 2020!!*
Great video!... as usual.
great video on KVM for macOS in linux. my problem is that iPhone is not mounted, not even as USB connection in KVM. do you have a video on such problem?