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A Rough Guide to NSBM
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2023
- From Varg Vikernes to Deathspell Omega, Doomer culture to edgelords, take a trip with me through the history and philosophy of the NSBM movement within the black metal scene, as well as the tell-tale signs/ways to tell if a band is NSBM or not.
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Hi there, Review Family! Welcome back to another Rough Guide video! In this one, I go over the history and philosophy regarding the black metal subgenre known as NSBM! What're your opinions of NSBM and your stance on it?! Let me know down below, I'd love to hear!!!!!!! Cheers, rock on, stay heavy and have yourselves a fantastic rest of your day or night, depending on when you see this!!!!!!!🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
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I disavow NS. But free speech is free speech. I like some of the music.
This is very neutral coming from a guy that clearly isnt a nazi. rare to see
He Is cool
NSBM is underrated for obvious reasons. Satanic Warmaster, Goatmoon, Grand Belial's Key, Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Absurd, etc. all have some incredibly good albums. Anyone denying that is simply either extremely biased or they're a liar.
not sure its underrated. all the albums have the highest prices. its just censored.
Well here’s the thing giving money to nazis is bad actually.
Don't forget Kristallnacht
Absurd's song Mourning soul is masterpiece
Nokturnal Mortum is not NSBM, maybe it was years ago but no now.
Whether you like it or not, NSBM is more in touch with the spirit of black metal than any other BM subgenre. The Norwegian scene started as a 'fuck you' to the Christian society where those guys came from. Well, now hating on Christianity is cool. NSBM is the 'fuck you' that will NEVER be socially acceptable in this society.
Disagree. It was never about "fuck you" to what's cool,. it was because the Christian powers were literally forcing their culture into their country and supplanting the Norse gods. It was about fighting back against an oppressive power. Supporting oppression is antithetical to it. Though I admit there are a handful of NSBM bands I rock with.
wokism or the open society or scientism whatever you want to call it operates just like a religion. its a religion for atheists and modern people completely out of touch with their roots, blood and soil. it has a creation myth: big bang it has the great evil: intolerance and it proselytizes and attempts conversion it has heresies and it casts out unbelievers. it has priests who write and decypher texts for its adherents. it even has an end time prophecy (global warming) it operates as a faith. there is no amount of data and evidence you can show someone who is a true believer that will change their mind. therefore it deserves to be treated just like christianity or judaism or islam.
Yep! There you have it
Majority of those early Norwegian bands were also NSBM (though they'll deny it up and down because of how much they stand to lose financially)... Several stamped their releases with Norsk Arisk Black Metal...The posers that have infiltrated black metal and started campaigns to cancel bands with their commie antifa shit have no place in the scene. "Black Metal is a crime against humanity..." Fuck all these whiny posers that need safe spaces.
100%
Black metal isn’t a safe space. People who complain about NSBM never go to shows to begin with. The vast majority of people I know who listen to NSBM are minorities themselves who just like the riffs. People who complain about it need to go back to the punk scene.
Anthony Fantano also reviewed Peste Noire fairy positively too.
Deathspell Omega are heavily influenced by the philosophy of Georges Bataille who very much was anti nazi. I swear people need to learn how to read.
It's the presence of Dr.MikoAspa in the band...
@@gacdregacdre4262 And? he also has no influence over the music or the lyrics
@@foivocHe is still a maligned & controversial man...Woke people are scared of him...
NSBM is just amazing. I love it so much
Good video!
And that's why no one loves you
Amazingly well spoken and thoughtfully composed. This was a terrific mini-essay.
It’s literally this American idiot pontificating for 11 minutes. Wtf lmao.
NSBM kicks ass
Anti semetic anti zionist black metal, yes. Total support. I need bands that have lyrics about jews. Thank you.
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Why?
Based noticer.
Ahh yes, Genoc*de, based.
@@Carlo_von_Habsburg Some people are asking for it.
I love Goatmoon and Mrakobesie. Black metal at it's finest
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I love Reek of the Unzen Gas Fumes. I have a relative (who died before I was was born) who fought the Japanese in WW2. He would shake with anger due whenever a Japanese person was in a restaurant with him because of the horrors he witnessed. One can read about Nanking, Unit 731, the Bataan death march, Burma railroad ect. Tens of millions dead in Asia. Extreme ideology for an extreme band.
@CasterOilCamerata88 I will check out more of those bands. I also don't get why they are on a Chinese label. That is like a NS band going on an Israeli label.
id rather be far right then far wrong.
This comment is phenomenal
id rather be far left than far gone
don't you all NSBM fans know that Hitler was a christian?
😂 so lame
The stupidity beaming from this comment
Around the 4.50 mark you talked about a quote from ‘94, “we don’t like blacks…” which you attributed to ‘HellHammer’s Drummer.’ The band HellHammer, aside from not being a BM band broke up in ‘84. I believe that quote was from the Mayhem drummer who goes by the name HellHammer. Not being a prick just trying not to have some horrible quote attributed to the wrong person
Exactly, this fruitcake has no idea.
You, sir are correct. It's oftentimes confusing when the same name refers to multiple different entities. Especially in a small circle like Black Metal and a name like Hellhammer, as opposed to something mundane like say John Smith which one would expect thousands upon thousands of different ones.
Burzum, Deathspell Omega, and Reek of the Unzen Gas Fumes are all not NSBM why are they in the thumbnail lol.
ON ŽELI SAMO PREGLEDE...
TOUGH fucking topic. I push back against calling Burzum or DsO and those type bands to be NSBM because the *music* isn't promoting the ideology, but it's still hard to support them because you know where your money is going. Black metal in general is also heavily about being abrasive, being unacceptable, being unsavory. Like you said, there's a spectrum and (at least for me) I put a line when it gets into that weirdly militant and "heil Hitler" wing of things. There are bands like Graveland, old Hate Forest, Grand Belial's Key, that absolutely push that hateful image but it feels more couched in a general misanthropy and anger than trying to recruit into some dumbass organization throwing Nazi salutes around. Black metal isn't about joining an army, it's individualistic. I could keep going because I dove DEEP into this scene a few years back out of morbid curiosity so the only thing I'll say is that there's a band called Ohtar that pretty much scrapped their NSBM past and their most recent album is amazing.
Yes because human extinction is preferable alternative to thriving healthy nation of alike minded people... I also bet that 99% of so called nazi black metal is tongue in cheek, almost joke-ish music, I don't like full on propaganda music period, but ideas should stand free and accessable, then we would see what the world really wants...
too bad you arent in control. burzum is censored away with the rest of nsbm and if he did a show tommorow there would be the biggest protest ever trying to stop it (all by people who are in bands who plagiarized his songs and secretely listen to him like a priest hiding his pornography) why are people such cowards if you like burzum just say so. you don't need to justify it. pretending burzum isn't about european heritage and european paganism is retarded since the man himself will tell you otherwise if he wasn't banned from the internet. yes bands need money to survive and some will say "we've changed guys" while playing the same music so cowards will now give them money. attack the double standard that allows all other races to do the same thing nsbm does. would a rap band glorifying black nationalism and black supremacy be banned? no white morons would line up to buy it.
Antichristian metal isn't offensive enough. There is no risk associated with being antichristian.
What are your favorite nsbm bands?
I wouldn't be able to say because I don't particularly go out of my way to listen much. Closest would maybe be Deathspell Omega or Burzum and even then they're tame and pretty damn adjacent lol
@@TheMetalTempestYTBOTH BAND NEVER PLAY NSBM...
@@TheMetalTempestYT Both of these bands arent nsbm?
@@TheMetalTempestYT i dont know why these people are saying Burzum isnt NSBM
this is exactly what id expect someone to look like making these videos
Pretty vague video tbh. You only mentioned like three bands.
I mentioned here that these videos are not intended to dive into every single branch, and even said that NSBM is a very wide-ranging genre and talking about everything would take much, much longer and these are just rough guides for people looking to get into the genre! :) Gateways, if you will.
You know, I was born, raised, and live in Scotland. I can assure you that having roots does not make you an expert on Scottish paganism; the country was Christianized in the early medieval period. If your scholarship is good, then there’s no reason to bring genetics into it (that’s what the Nazis did).
Deathspell Omega are not NSBM, Mikko Aspa may identify with that label however the band itself has nothing to do with politics. The people who decried their 2019 album the Furnaces of Palinganesia clearly never read the lyrics which instead examined the failings of political and societal revolutions across the political spectrum. None of their earlier material has anything to do with politics either.
While I generally agree with the notion of 'separating the art from the artist' in the case of NSBM and other similar musical genres this is simply impossible. The only differences between NSBM and other BM are the lyrics and imagery. If there were other differences like in the music itself, production, etc, than there would have been something to talk about. However without them what makes NSBM NSBM *are* the artists, who put their personal beliefs front and center in their art, so it's impossible to separate them. Now, that's not to say that everyone who listens to NSBM automatically subscribes to this ideology, far from it.
The way I see it there are 2 camps in NSBM fans. The first camp are those that are truly enthralled by the ideology. The second camp are those that are just enjoying the lyrics for what they are, another form of extreme darkness, not all that different from extreme violence and gore like say Cannibal Corpse or the even more extreme bands that followed them, goregrind and all that. There's a lot to say about the NS ideology itself, and the people who subscribe to it, most of whom don't even know what NS actually stands for. Most of them only know what they heard from *insert random, often nefarious source here* who may or may not have been representing the actual NS ideology truthfully, regardless of what we think of the actual ideology itself.
The issue is that regardless of whether a NS subscriber actually understands what NS stood for or not, said person does have an understanding of what s/he thinks it does based on whichever source introduced him/her to the NS movement initially. This thinking, even if not what NS was originally, does reflect what NS has become in modern times. A black hole of unending hatred towards anyone and everyone, often including themselves, born out of nothing but utter ignorance. You're giving them way too much credit Imho by talking about their pagan roots, connection to the land, ancestors, etc. These people do exist mind you, but they're a separate group than the NS crowd. There obviously is some overlap between the 2 groups but they are 2 different groups with 2 different, arguably parallel, ideologies. Paganism on its own doesn't necessitate blind hatred towards everyone that isn't you or the group you belong to. It's just that people can subscribe to multiple different ideologies, especially when they're dealing with different issues, on different planes(mathematical term).
Back to NSBM, there is no issue with the people who just enjoy it for the music, or even for the lyrics, as long as they don't act upon them. After all a lot of people have all sorts of whacky fantasies, which can include vulgar crimes like rapes, murders, etc. These fantasies, while far from ideal obviously, are not dangerous in and of themselves. It's only when the person having these fantasies becomes unstable enough to actually act upon these fantasies that s/he becomes dangerous. It's only those very specific NS communities that use NSBM as a recruitment tool for their cult(in essence) that are the truly dangerous ones. Now, these communities will exist with or without NSBM, so the only actual risk here is people who were otherwise not at all interested in NS who became fascinated by it because of the music and got dragged deep into that rabbit hole to the point where they're now very much a part of it and can no longer escape it(whether they actual want to or not).
Likewise I wholeheartedly agree with you on the free speech aspect of it all. I strongly disagree with this ideology but like you I don't think censorship is the answer. In fact I agree with you that censorship only made it worst and is one of the reasons the NS movement has grown so vast in the entire western world. If society wasn't so utterly terrified of dealing with the NS crowd and instead chose the easy way of simply censoring them, out of sight out of mind and all that, than we wouldn't have had this massive problem we have today. Our only point of contention in this regard is in the whole 'educating them' aspect, as many of the disciples of NSBM are well past this point. It may have been possible, decades ago, but the train has already left the station a long time ago and isn't coming back. At this point the only solution is to deal with the leaders of these groups, on a criminal level, and keep close watch on their disciples so that whenever they merely begin to plan an actual violent action against anyone they will immediately be on the police radar and in turn be caught and prosecuted before they can put their plans into action.
So then there is only ONE QUESTION; Who is TOP/HARDEST NSBM Band?
BURZUM, arghoslent, kristallnacht, aryan blood, absurd
@@josephdeneka666 Burzum isn't NS.. It needs to be promoted in the lyrics and therefore Burzum does not qualify
@@josephdeneka666 BURZUM has never had anything to do with politics, except for ONE shirt design in 90's.
@@necrosadotor Burzum is one man. Have you ever spoken with the man or read any of his books? You can play semantics all you want to justify your own race traitor worldview while your entire life revolves around a racialist and nationalist scene for white europeans, by white europeans with a political goal of removing jewish influence (particularly religious) from our societies and lives.
I've listened to Burzum since i was a kid and not in any of his albums is anything about "NS" topics.@@josephdeneka666
Censoring NSBM is so lame. Call it what you want label it all the -ists.. But your freedom to be able to say that should also afford theirs. It should be available and able to sell openly, the restriction is what caused the market to sky rocket in value. If we cant afford them their freedom of speech, you and I also shouldn't get ours. PERIOD. Its very goddamn simple, just dont support it if you oppose but dont censor it.
Freedom of speech also goes to UA-cam. UA-cam has the freedom to decide what to platform or not, plus isn't national socialism pro censorship? If Germany won in WWII black metal would probably not even exist lol
Literal Neo Nazis don't believe in free speech, this has to be the dumbest comment I've evet read
Don’t say tens of hours say dozens of hours
Tens of hours sounds small even though it is not
Dozens of hours doesn’t have this problem
we have a fruit doing a nsbm documentary. o tempora o mores!
Fruit. Out of all the random slang and terms people throw at me randomly, that's a new one haha cheers
@@TheMetalTempestYT i guess im old, but your ok by me at least you can take a joke i expected the popup that tells me my comment was removed. still might happen just by other viewers.
@@TheMetalTempestYT you seem interested in the nsbm underground maybe ill take you to a show. these things are always hours from civilization or in someones basement tho. at least you are smarter than everyone who thinks they stopped all the shows. ive been around since the 90s and now that its supposedly banned there is more going on than when shows were public. the society itself has caused more interest in these things with immigrant grooming gangs and its coverup and mass migration and the like.... it has caused paranoia about the girl you brought with you could be an antifa spy type stuff tho. also the "mainstream bm scene is very loner and individualistic where nsbm scene is very community oriented like a small town where everyone knows eachother and brings the new neighbor cookies and sugar. whatever your opinion on natsoc its core principles are grounded in community family and disolving the antagonism between economic classes in its people. that translates to a close knit community in practice.
Don't worry. I've had many slurs tossed my way based on assumptions of my appearance or whatever. I don't disclose much about my own personal stuff, and people chuck much worse. It's always worth a good laugh. I have thick skin, lol. @@josephdeneka666
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RAC is awesome
deathspell got cancelled for releasing an anti authoritarian album, you're wearing a pink anime hoodie
both true, but how the fuck are those related
Deathspell omega got cancelled because more people learned about the band, then learned about Mikko Aspa and his projects. It wasn’t because of the album. People were just ass mad because it was the one time they had the most eyes on them, so it was kinda bound to happen.
@@withinthrall1445 yeah extremely boring when everyone’s opinion is coming from google and Wikipedia instead of the work itself which has so much to say directly to the audience through music, visual art and lyrics.
Most people are aesthetically illiterate and shouldn’t be listening to extreme music but in the social media age everyone wants to appear informed and in control of things they can’t understand
@@CountFernandoPartridge I mean most people don’t. But it’s just going to happen when you have someone like Mikko on a project that gets attention. But most extreme music isn’t that deep, deathspell is an outlier for that, and many people don’t listen to music for a deep message. That would be a bit sheepish if everyone only listened for a message.
@@withinthrall1445 we’re talking about people who want to have an opinion on the message though, without ever engaging directly with the work itself. Like this video
the only NSBM band who really do what they say are M8L8TH
Der Sürmer?
Based and Levkinpilled
@@xDASSLERx Льовкін мій улюблений гном
@@xeiginxeigin4670Наш гном 🤙
Varg does what he says too. He lives the ideology, which is why he married a European woman and has like 7 kids. Real NS guys don't do psychotic shit like M8loth. They just get married and have a yt famly.
DsO's furnaces of palingenesia is just them shitting on fascism the whole time so i wouldnt even put them near the classification of NSBM
Here is an idea: make a podcast or something talking about like 10 subgenres and then you can repost it in videos like this
Nsbm is the true black metal
Black metal is anti establishment. Nsbm is pro status quo and monarchy. True black metal offends others. Nsbm is people crying because they got offended.
more like white metal
Trve... black metal is only for white people
It’s truly awful, yes
You don't get it, do you?
well i secretly listen with my headphones some NSBM, from my personal experience when i walk outside in some roads closer to the trees and nature opened camps NSBM connects me to this fantasy world of whats been the past and hows been like, makes me believe that ancient humans was primitive and pure, strong, had trafitional farms and windmill's a beautiful woman working in gardening, childrens playing in the camp, a man that was both a handyman and a hunter gathered, 100% traditionalism, a world of prosperity, peace, a time of no immigrants, no politics, no Christianity, no industrialism, no businesses, no money
100% as nature was intended for humans to live NSBM for me is philosophy, some of them of course have this militaristic, anti-semitism stuff, but i prefer the NSBM/folk paganism ones such an underrated and beautiful subgenre that its understandable why is hated
Ty for the non biased history
I've always looked at NSBM as the most evil in a genre where it's almost a literal arms race to see who can be the darkest.
Also, buy the records secondhand so the labels and bands don't get any money.
Eh but the music is a lil mid personally as far as stuff “but the riffs bro” I’d take vaginal jesus any time of the day instead of nsbm
Hahaha what a c*nt you are . If you’re listening to the music you’re still supporting it . What an i*diot!
I don't like Black meral as a genre, so I never listened to NSBM music.
However, I read various works from Nietzsche, and I can say he was anything but a Nazi, nor his thoughts were in that direction (he was rather an anarchist), and I don't like the fact that he is associated to that movement in mass culture. I personally agree with Vattimo's interpetation: the "Ubermensch" wasn't a man above other men, with the aim to control them, but a man beyond other men, i.e. he goes beyond the traditional values and beliefs. The term "man" should also refer not to a single human being but to humanity as a whole
Nazis ruined Nietzsche, pagan runes and the Hindu swastika. What a bunch of spineless stealers!
why would you watch a whole video on black metal if you don't like it?
@@josephdeneka666 Intellectual honesty for one? If you truly wish to hate something you first need to properly understand it. Hating something out of sheer ignorance is just as bad as blind faith in whatever, not necessarily god mind you, whichever form of god you do or don't subscribe to.
I'm someone who falls into the third category. I've recently started getting into the 'genre'. I don't really consider it as a different genre, because it sounds basically the same as your regular BM, except with nazi themes/lyrics/imagery. I definitely do not consider myself a nazi. Fuck that shit. But I still listen to it. Honestly don't care about the lyrics and such. Bands like Burzum are often seen as nazi, but I think that's untrue. In the case of Burzum, the music is just about Mythology/Paganism and anti Christianity/religion. Yeah Varg has some extremist views, but still I don't consider him a (real)nazi. Also, since pretty much all legit nsbm bands are not on platforms such as Spotify, Bandcamp, UA-cam or whatever, getting & and finding the music is a bit more time consuming. So my money wouldn't go to the bands. Doubt I would ever actually buy music from legit nsbm bands, even if I could.
“Nazis” or “neo nazis” don’t exist as a self identifying group.
The fact that he uses the words, and even says “neonazism” at one point, is proof that he has no fucking idea what he’s talking about.
The music is interesting the political ideology is questionable how much of it is a larp ,grift,interest in history, or actual racism. Reminds me of the neo folk genre used the symbolism for shock value most likely death and June had left wing politics.
I appreciate the Pokémon black and white elite four music !
I'm the third camp of listening to it but not supporing the views. My biggest gripe though is the censorship of it which usually results in me having to actually support the bands financially and buy the albums. I think the solution is that I need to torrent more nsbm 😂
Soulseek is a miracle, my brother.
Another great video. Not telling you anything that you don't already know, but the founders of the Norwegian Black Metal scene were teenagers, and teenager's brains "aren't fully cooked yet" to quote my wife (a former high school teacher). It's been interesting to see some of the early scene members as they've gotten older and what they have to say now about that time. I actively don't listen to NSBM bands (one band I supported after the invasion of Ukraine is Drudkh, and I found out later that they've been accused of being NSBM; something the band denies...based on some of their songs, however, I don't know), & support the Antifascist Black Metal Network, both here on YT and on BC, as well other groups like Grime Stone Records and Black Metal Rainbows (both on BC). I don't mind someone being proud of their heritage or patriotic about their country, but when they use it as a weapon to actively harm someone else, then I'm done with them.
Oh no, absolutely. That's one reason I wanted to highlight how broken these individuals were. When you're that age, you really want something to latch onto and really lend your philosophy to. And when you're young and full of that angst and have that predisposition, it's not surprising that it led down that rabbit hole..
yeah i've just looked at them and going through their album "Blood On Our Wells", there's a song titled "Ukrainian Insurgent Army". The group mentioned in the title (also known as UPA) has done very horrible things in the past (one example being the massacre of Poles and Jews in Volhynia and Galicia. Not very pretty imo).
its interesting that you don't think your beliefs harm anyone.
Hi! Are you into NSBM and if so, could you recommend some good bands? Thank you! Cheers!
Mutilation just dropped a new album I think called black metal cult ...but also don't always believe what you watch on UA-cam
@@Njordvanir241mutillation* isnt nsbm, what are you smoking?
@@notyaboi2781 nsbm means none stop bad mouthing
As a RABM enjoyer, I gotta admit some NSBM songs are just amazing, Kristallnacht as an example has really cool riffs, I feel it's just really important to seperate art from the artist
Also, once again loving the videos^^
That's totally valid! Separating the art from the artist is fine. Everyone has skeletons in the closet and it's hypocritical to assume we can just pick and choose if we genuinely like material!
And thank you so much for the support recently! I really appreciate it! :)
I feel the same way about Nokturnal Mortum honestly. Instrumentally, they are just so insanely good at putting a lot of thought into how all of different instruments and different styles of metal come together.
It depends, though. "Separating the art from the artist" works for a Burzum but not a M8l8th, if that makes sense. If the music ITSELF is pushing the ideology, you can't separate them.
@@ZachGatesHere I agree.
@@ZachGatesHere That's also a good point actually, it really depends on how many NSBM themes are in their music
What's the outro song?
“Lamb to the Slaughter” by Viscera
Deathspell Omega aren't NSBM. Their vocalist Mikko Aspa has ties to the scene. However, it's very obvious that they just use him for his voice. They have no political ties to him. Or any other ties for that matter.
This is a sensitive topic and this comment section will more than likely turn into a shitstorm so here is my 2 cents. I think most NSBM on a musical level sucks. It has terrible vocals, and minimalist raw instruments so it’s easy to avoid. What stings most is if black metal bands are musically competent yet are NSBM. Such examples would be Goatmoon, Bilskirnir, Grand Belial’s Key, and Peste Noire. I do like the sound of these bands but I don’t listen to them often due to the harmful ideology they preach. Funny enough, I got into a great RABM today named Trespasser. I checked out their debut and it reminds me of Marduk, and I think most RABM sucks too.
I’ve heard trespasser before, and I thought “wow this actually sounds good” compared to most blackened crust/RABM which sounds like a walkie talkie gaining consciousness and deciding to make the worst sounds it can possibly create.
The best thing is that Trespasser is right upfront about their views, there’s no mistaking the message, but the music is actually good and not agreeing with their message doesn’t even matter.
Truth is, most black metal is monotone, unoriginal, unlistenable shit, not just most nsbm...
"enough activism for today" -said @mindful after not consuming a product not made for him.
@@whitecisgender4911 I’ll admit that this was an old and misinformed comment. I’m neutral towards the subject of NSBM nowadays. I don’t think that it should get exceeding praise but I don’t think that it should be cancelled or censored either. It’s a niche movement within an already niche subgenre. Personally, I’ve moved on from talking about it at this point but I honestly don’t care if people listen to it or not, just as long as they are respectful and aren’t racist dicks.
The most egregious horrorific underground shit, as you put it, counterintuitively comes from MEXICO circa NOW Aye! Aye! Aye! NoCap-
NSBM is based. Music, especially metal, has always been about pushing the boundaries and talking about things that are verboten
do y'all think roger waters is a nazi?
I buy albums by bands I enjoy listening to. Period. I take a, perhaps, a nihilistic approach to music and metal specifically because I'm that passionate about it. What I would say, however, is that NSBM isn't something to advertise fandom of if you truly give a shit about people different from you.
GOD DAMN!!!! I'M PROUD TO BE NORWEGIAN
Back in the early 90's hardcore NS people really didn't get togheter with BM or metal heads. They was seen as wierd and satanic things was seen as something that derrived from Judanism by the more devoted ones.
I cannot really understand how the connection between BM and NS appeared as it clearly wasn't there in the 90's. At least not what I remember.
But then again it was a totally different mindset back then people had totally different opinions but they still talked to each other.
Ultra nationalistic music and BM was extremly common in countryside schools when I grow up in the early 90's sweden.
So I guess it was just a question of time till they mixed.
Still wierd to me though.
Absurd formed in 1994..
@@Stigmatix666Well ok then. Guess there could be more examples and obviously people that shared beliefs.
@@hnorrstrom Darkthrone released "Transylvanian Hunger" with the moniker *Norwegian Aryan Black Metal* the same year, for that matter..
The second wave of black metal, the 90's, were steeped in national pride.
@@Stigmatix666 Maybe it was more the NS side that was against BM and not the other way around.
At least that is how I remember it here in Sweden around 92-95 when I was in highschool.
Both were far more popular than today for sure.
@@hnorrstrom Maybe, just maybe, NSBM was a direct result of domestication of Black Metal? Some undoubtedly went for rock stardom debauchery and lost their edge. Going *more* extreme was a direct response to that..
The amount of Nazis here is fucking wild dude.
Yeah, it's honestly how it rolls everytime I chat about black metal. Kind of is what it is at this point :p you should see when I critique Varg LMFAO
i know, its insane. i can't believe that they feel no shame about it either lol
Punk had this same plague as well. Difference here is, a lot of modern black metal is super creative, mixing strange genres into it. Not worth it for me to even consider nsbm asubgenre of black metal. Its not like it has a distinct sounds anyways.
Too many black metal fans either latching too hard to the old bm, or are so radically anti-pc to he point its their whole personality.
I just like the sounds. Its easy enough to avoid nsbm.
keep bm white.
Peste noire and deathspell omega are two of the most experimental bands in black metal... your argument is anull because you didn't bother too listen too the genre before pulling out your bullshit preconceived notions and going "nsbm is bad because it's not experimental" whilst ignoring bands like Goatmoon, graveland, nokturnal mortum, absurd, black magick ss, drowning the light, and the abhor mentioned peste noire and deathspell omega, how many do you know with black metal multiple ballads? Or who released anything close to being as out their as peste noires album split? Do some research before spouting nonsense next time
All Punk now is bands who promote Communism and bands no longer represent the anarchist views they once did. Prime example being Rage Against The Machine, more like Rage On Behalf The Machine.
You go Girrrrl🌈
Good video
I like the music because it is evil
This thing discussing nsbm is hilarious 😂😂😂
Not sure what thing constitutes but if that's genuinely the best you can come up with, complete with Discord fuckboy emojis, I'd say I'm doing just fine mate lmao cheers
@@TheMetalTempestYTYou have no idea what you’re talking about.
VI KOJI NEMATE POJMA O NS IDEOLOGIJI I NSBM CRNOM METALU I POKRETIMA...
ZAŠTO PRAVITE VIDEO O NEČEMU O ČEMU NEMATE POJMA?
ŠTA JE POENTA?????
I don’t really care about the politics if the music is good that’s all that matters, that goes for all genres especially punk and metal!
Ooh boy the comment section I have a feeling will REALLY be…..Interesting. But honestly as a Very Left Wing person I HATE the ideology, but I can’t lie some “NSBM” bands do it for me. Satanic Warmaster, Grand Belial’s Key, Hate Forest, Nokturnal Mortum, Infernal War, Graveland, Peste Noire have undeniably great music. And I am one of those people that can Separate the art from the artist. I think it’s fine to listen to NSBM…. As long as you don’t agree with the bullshit they are saying imo but that’s just my take it’s a very personal decision. I completely understand why people would refuse to listen to NSBM
Satanic Warmaster’s last couple of albums have actually stepped completely away from ideological lyrics.
Apparently they weren’t rlly nsbm at all
Great choice of bands and I’m left leaning myself. I happen to like Nokturnal Mortum, Satanic Warmaster, Hate Forest, and Graveland myself too in addition to the bands I mentioned in my comment from earlier. The former three started out as NSBM but haven’t included that ideology in their music in a long time. Graveland on the other hand I don’t think ever was, just that Rob Darken is a controversial individual but that doesn’t often show in the music.
@@mindful2864 I never liked Graveland’s really material. The drumming was pretty awful on albums like Thousand Swords. I’m glad Rob finally found a drummer that can actually play for the last record.
@@wheelsofmercuryI do like the early material of Graveland but I agree that the drumming was the weakest aspect of it. The riffs though have always been great. I know they’re melodeath; but since they are the death metal counterpart to Grand Belial’s Key, they still somewhat count. Arghoslent have confirmed that their new album will come out this fall. I’ve always loved their Dismember meets Running Wild style of melodic death metal, but because of the lyrics I don’t listen to them that often. I gravitate more towards Intestine Baalism, Ares Kingdom, and Dungeon Serpent when it comes to melodeath that is mostly death metal with melody.
deathspell omega nsbm? haha :D but yeah make black metal hate again...
ŠTA JE SLJEDEĆE?
XASTHUR NSBM?
Hmmm art is art at the end of the day if people want to believe let them ... l no matter how many sub genras of black metal there may be now its just a rebellion against everything that isn't black metal .....black metal has always been punk influenced regardless of the edgy subject matter if its good listen to it ...most of the bands were young kids when they started ....and you was young too everyone rebels at some time in their lives
feds in the comments
Nice nail polish😂
cut your hair, you going to be bald anyway
Latch to the tit of indeed
so so true
J Morris I’m your biggest fan can you latch onto my tit
I simply dont care what people believe. Life is hard and where you land philosophicaly to cope is your business.
Personally, I cant support NSBM. I do enjoy black metal to an extent, like Emperor and Cradle Of Filth, but I try to make sure certain bands arent when ever I discover them. Neo-Nazis have had a rise in the states as well, and seeing what they do sometimes is absolutely awful. Genuinely, I hope these people eventually leave all that hatred in their lives behind and go down a better route.
would you rather be transgender or a neo nazi
Newsflash dude, the drummer of Emperor Faust went to a gay bar and killed a man. This obvious hate crime didn't even get him life in prison but less than 10 years. Emperor fans think this okay because the person killed was gay which means Faust was doing a "favour to society". Inform yourself better.
Despite of the rampant racism from the bands and the fans of the genre black metal will still always be cool to me its a very diverse subgenre. Its unfortunate that the fans are extremely toxic to interact with but whatever it wont change my opinion on the music itself.
your pink hoodie and black nails tell us enough about your political views
I'm actually very much a do whatever the fuck you want type of person. I personally don't think anyone should generalize, similar to you. I don't like fitting in boxes and feel as if as long as you're not harming anyone else it shouldn't concern someone.
I have my own opinions but I'm a strong advocate for separating the art from the artist. Some of my favorite artists and bands come from jaded and shady backgrounds. My overall aspiration is to be an author and in the literary field some of the finest works of just about any genre come from tortured and problematic souls.
Life is grey. So I would appreciate not being lumped into a stereotype you've been fed that you clearly believe I fit snugly into. I think only one of us here is making generalizations based on perceived things to judge, yeah? Cheers mate
@@TheMetalTempestYT
"I'm actually very much a do whatever the fuck you want type of person" that makes u a normie, and wearing pink hoodie and black nail polish makes u a freak.
@@dontknowdontcare2531Because being a leftist is as bad as being a nazi 🤡
Lmao your stupid ass just self snitched on being a nazi lmao.
LJEVIČARSKI PAĆENIK...
"Deathspell omega is nsbm"
-can safely disregard everything this thing has to say lol
all true black metal is ns, anarchist(ted kind) or tribal
Lyrics are part of the music, so if the songs aren't putting forward kook ideologies, but the artist believes in them, simply pirate.
it fucking sucks !!! its roots suck !!!!!! thank you J Morris for the wonderful vidoe !!!
Thank you so much.
Lol
Fatherland
The striker or der sturmer
Darkmoon warrior
Stahlfront amazing not run of the mill spear of longinus or grand belials key or absurd love all of them but if you want true underground nsbm purfication kommando as well umm nekrokrist ss ,white death so much obscure shit and its all solid as fuck rather you agree or not black metal is losing its image lately its getting softer its not violent anymore or even obscure lets bring it back 🤘🤘🤘 with kanye wearing a burzum shirt its going to hit the anime crowd to this new age plush soft edgy gen there still is violent shit out there just got to dig a little lets not let it get out of control huh 🤘🤌
if I end up listening to a NS album, I would put on a leftist BM record right after, just to wash the taste out
That’s what I do sometimes, too.
If I listen to an NS album I just listen to it because the music is cool and don't waste my time or energy giving a fuck
@@dubiousdevil9572 I’ll listen to some bands of that problematic scene, but only if the backing instrumentation is very good. I also never look up the lyrics and if I hear something sussy, I’ll let it just pass through me like water without dwelling on it.
I do the opposite
@wheelsofmercury I don't even know if a band is NS or not, I don't like, look it up before listening lol. If the music sounds good, that's all I care about.
I don't care if you know or don't know if you know what you're talking about. I still respect you're opinion. ofcourse we disagree as I am a pure Aryan. But "Helvete" was NOT a representation of NorwegIAN BLACK METAL. Helvete was a record shop, simple as that, and that was over 40 years ago. it was ONE band. now.... let me say some of the things you say are very true. in general we don't like black people. but this is not exclusive to blacks. it stems from the hate of christianity. blacks tend to be christians and in the 80's that was connected to our music. Therefore that hate has continued to this day. ALOT of BM bands these days are not NSBM bands even though their lyrics support nsbm "visions" Alot of it are created of pure Image
You do realize that most black people, in the world mind you not just the US, are actually Muslim rather than Christian, right...? I mean I guess not since you clearly subscribe to an ideology rooted in ignorance. I also wonder what you consider as being 'Christian' considering that there are many different sects of Christianity and many different levels of devotion. Some Christians are so secular in their views they don't actually worship god at all, but merely acknowledge his existence as a default. As in something had to jump start the universe, might as well call it god, without attributing anything else onto him. Other Christians are so fanatical they still subscribe to the old adage of the crusades of old: convert or die. What I'm trying to say is that labeling someone as a 'Christian' doesn't actually say anything about said person, so you have to be a lot more specific in what exactly you hate about them, and thus focus your hatred onto certain sub-groups within the Christian category.
So if you’re the kind of guy that doesn’t like NSBM then I’m gonna start listening to more NSBM
3:50 were you talking about the Black metal culture or LGBT?!🤣🤣🤣
No difference between the two
Most of my favourite band's are nsbm 😂
As a black person, you listening to lil mabu is way more offensive. Get better taste fr😂
@@ViolettaX-gp8qklmao facts mabu is corny asf but so is most UK/NY drill nowadays.
@@slowedpalace a friend of mine reccomended me Knucks, his flows are nothing too creative but he has lyrical ability which far exceeds that of many other artists in the UK drill genre. His beats are surprisingly melodic and even incorporate elements of jazz occasionally, his album "Alpha Place" is truly amazing and definitely better than anything Lil Mabu or Central cee have been dropping recently.
save me nsbm save me
This is gonna be a very spicy video; I can already tell! Have all of your retorts ready for this land mine of a comment section that this is going to turn into. Godspeed!🫡
Haha, it's very impartial in the sense of just trying to go over the signs, philosophy and history! Tried to keep my own opinions out of it as much as possible, but let it be known that I am very anti-NSBM, personally. I do listen to things that could fall under that label but I don't personally go out of my way to support bands/labels that fall under that umbrella unless for research purposes.
At the end of the day it's up to the person if they support or not and it's no skin off my back. I don't really mind.
@@TheMetalTempestYT its not bad but you are less impartial than you think. its like you are objectively describing a turd sitting in the corner.
Life is short. Let the larpers larp. 🤡🦹🤡
as if corpsepaint and satan isnt larp. from my experience nsbm peeps are less larpy than the devil crew. most of them are politically active. do you believe darkthrone worship in the forest or a satanic church?
Deathspell Omega are not NSBM, Mikko Aspa may identify with that label however the band itself has nothing to do with politics. The people who decried their 2019 album the Furnaces of Palinganesia clearly never read the lyrics which instead examined the failings of political and societal revolutions across the political spectrum. None of their earlier material has anything to do with politics either.
Deathspell Omega are not NSBM, Mikko Aspa may identify with that label however the band itself has nothing to do with politics. The people who decried their 2019 album the Furnaces of Palinganesia clearly never read the lyrics which instead examined the failings of political and societal revolutions across the political spectrum. None of their earlier material has anything to do with politics either.