Ocarina Of Times Biggest Unsolved Mystery (Legend of Zelda theory)

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  • @Mortified42
    @Mortified42 2 місяці тому +56

    I have always thought Stal- was just a prefix for skeletal enemies, -fos a suffix similar to folk. For example Stalfos are skeletonfolk, Lizalfos are lizardfolk, dinofos dinosaurfolk, Wolfos is wolffolk. As for Stalchild they are some kind of unnatural creature being the children of darkness or Ganondorf or something along those lines.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +12

      @Mortified42 that's interesting, thanks for checking out the video :)

    • @rockk9753
      @rockk9753 2 місяці тому

      Yeah they're not actual children

    • @GoldenGrenadier
      @GoldenGrenadier 2 місяці тому +2

      Iirc stal is the german word for steel like in stalhelm, which is just steel helmet.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +3

      @@GoldenGrenadier I never knew that

    • @thcrtn
      @thcrtn 2 місяці тому +3

      Yes stal means skeletal in the zelda world. I'm under the assumption fos is litteraly "foes"
      They can be children. They don't have any army gear...
      But people don't like to think of having to fight the kids killed in a war... Their brain just goes to the big one and says "ok good it's too big to be a child" n not asking... Why is it after so many there's a giant one...
      Is it programming, or folklore...
      That may be a mechanic of the game that's being seen as lore...

  • @Ometecuhtli13thGate
    @Ometecuhtli13thGate 2 місяці тому +18

    I really liked that the monsters got bigger progressively as you killed them.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +4

      @@Ometecuhtli13thGate it's a nice touch

  • @NeunEinser
    @NeunEinser 2 місяці тому +9

    Yeah, them being the fallen soldiers of the civil war makes a lot of sense.
    I am not sure I would attribute their appearance to Ganondorf. I think more likely they are revived by some sort of curse that's unrelated to Ganondorf.
    I wouldn't put it past Ganondorf to seek and stop the source though. Stalchildren would make moving the kingdom and controlling it more difficult for Ganondorf's men so at this point it might have been favorable for him to end the curse. Plus, he would have something to show his "good will" to the peoples of Hyrule, maybe helping him in securing his power and gaining more followers.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      That's an interesting point, but who do you think would have cursed them if not for Ganondorf? Thanks for stopping by and supporting the video :)

    • @NeunEinser
      @NeunEinser 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ZelRando Well, Ganondorf wasn't responsible in Majora's mask either.
      I also don't think Ganondorf is responsible for the curse that causes Hylians travelling the lost woods turn into Stalfos.
      To me, it feels more likely something in the Civil War itself cursed the soldiers. There is a lot of evidence for war crimes, torture, etc in Bottom of the Well and Shadow Temple. Bongo Bongo can also be seen as a soul affected by some sort of curse, still hitting these marching drums.

  • @thelittlebosniaexperience8181
    @thelittlebosniaexperience8181 2 місяці тому +12

    If ganondorf swore fealty to the king at the end of the civil war, it means he and the gerudo were part of the opposing army during the war and lost. He may have planned far in advance to curse those who died in hyrule field during the actual war and not after

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +3

      Interesting theory! Thanks for dropping by! :)

  • @elio7610
    @elio7610 2 місяці тому +7

    Probably the simplest answer is that they are molblin skeletons. They could alternatively be amalgamations of various bones and not necessarily from any specific race or individual.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      That's an interesting point!

  • @caedisz8792
    @caedisz8792 2 місяці тому +12

    I think the word child refers to something else. Much in the same way that bats are children of the night. These beings are a part of the stal, whatever that would entail, and thus are "children" to the greater whole (the stal) but who knows?

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +4

      Oh, hello friend! I think Stal means skeletal or something, so i guess skeletal child

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +4

      OMD I FOUND THE CHESTS 😂😂

  • @HeroLionHeart68
    @HeroLionHeart68 2 місяці тому +5

    Good to see you after a year,Id love to see you do more creature lore like the Redead.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      Thank you, glad to be back! 😊

  • @SonicJrandSarah
    @SonicJrandSarah 2 місяці тому +7

    That does make a lot of sense that the Stalchildren would only attack Link when he is a kid and not when he becomes an adult.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      Cause adult Link is the man!

  • @TomMooreT2S
    @TomMooreT2S 2 місяці тому +4

    For a time, I thought it would’ve made more sense for the Stalchildren to appear only in the Adult side of OOT because Ganon had complete control over Hyrule. But using the cover of darkness to camouflage his movement by summoning skeletal beings (obviously from the Fierce War) to keep the Hyrulean population at bay. And it’s also worth noting that Ganondorf still doesn’t have the complete Triforce. He intentionally allowed Link to oppose him to lure out Princess Zelda so he can imprison her and in turn lure Link to the interior of his castle tower, thus leading to the moment the Triforce parts resonate for the first time in seven years.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      Interesting comment, thanks for stopping by! :)

  • @Defender1876
    @Defender1876 2 місяці тому +3

    one thing i found out is the stalchildren do not appear in hyrule field while wearing the bunny hood

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      No that is true

  • @lastactionhero7541
    @lastactionhero7541 2 місяці тому +4

    Ocariner

  • @mad_quack
    @mad_quack 2 місяці тому +5

    I always thought they just went extinct in the seven years that Link was sealed in the sacred realm lmao

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +3

      @mad_quack certainly possible, but they are already dead, so the only way they could die would be by being killed by someone else. And no one ever enters the field at night :P

    • @mad_quack
      @mad_quack 2 місяці тому +2

      @@ZelRando like by magic or something but when I was a kid I didn’t put much thought into it other than, “oh they’re gone now, they must be extinct” 😂

  • @NikkiTheViolist
    @NikkiTheViolist 2 місяці тому +1

    I've always thought they were there as a result of the civil war in Hyrule, but I've never connected how in Majora's Mask they were there because of a dark curse after a war, so in Ocarina of Time they also might be there because of a dark curse after a war. And Ganondorf doing it makes so much sense.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      @NikkiTheViolist That's why we love theories, I suppose! Thanks for dropping by

  • @TheCosmicChicken
    @TheCosmicChicken 2 місяці тому +2

    I appreciate the thought and research that went into this video, but I disagree with a lot of it.
    First, the name Stalchild really seems to imply that they are the child version of Stalfos -- maybe not literally; it could be that they're only called that because they are smaller than Stalfos. But the implication with Stalfos seems to be that they are undead people, rather than beasts or monsters that merely happen to resemble human skeletons (there's a Kokiri girl who literally says that people who get lost in the woods become Stalfos), so if the Stalchildren are undead people, they're either all very short adults, or they're undead children, and the name certainly implies the latter (after all, theyre not called "Staldwarfs"). I don't think the fact that a giant one can spawn is enough evidence to rule out the implication that they are children. The game mechanic where a defeating enough of a type of enemy leads to a giant version showing up is the same for the other indefinitely spawning enemies, namely Guays and Leevers. Also, one could just as easily argue that the giant one is giant by the same magic that makes them animated corpses to begin with.
    Regarding the Majora's Mask tie-in, I don't think the fact that the same character model was used for the soldiers of Ikana implies that the Stalchildren are adult soldiers any more than Romani and Cremia being two different people implies that child Malon and adult Malon are two different people, or Lulu secretly being Ruto (who time traveled or grew up way faster than Link then went to Termina), etc. With the way MM used a lot of the same character models as OoT, trying to connect their MM lore to their doppelgangers in OoT falls apart quickly (why characters do have doppelgangers between OoT and MM is a whole other mysterious topic).
    Lastly, the reason why they no longer appear in Hyrule Field when Link is an adult might be a little more nuanced and symbolic, but there is a somewhat implied explanation. They only come out when Link is a child, at night, when he strays from the path through the field, and they don't come out when he's wearing the Bunny Hood. This could mean they either are beings that prey on or only manifest in the presence of fear or they are born of Link's fearful imagination entirely. It's broad daylight? He's less afraid and they don't appear. He has the security of knowing he's on an established path through the field? He's less afraid and they don't appear. He has a fun bunny hood with cute, floppy ears that cheer him up and get his mind off the scary surroundings? He's less afraid and they don't appear.
    I'll also throw in how that last point ties in with a larger theme in OoT, which is that there is much subtext and implied emotional intensity in the telling of the story from Link's perspective. MM is a masterpiece in its own right, but a lot of its drama and emotional significance revolves around other characters and the very literal threat of destruction from the moon. There's something to be said for OoT's more subtle drama and tragedy that plays out very personally for Link himself. That's why I find it really hard to compare the two and say that one is a better game than the other. They're both so great in their own distinct ways.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      I love comments like these. It gives a good insight into how others feel about theories and you actually make some good points! I like the part about the bunny hood boosting Links mood to make him less likely to be attacked. But i do still think that the fact Stalchildren, are called Stalchildren, in both MM and OOT, in terms of lore reasons, they are both relevant to each other. For theory reasons it's the only real source of information other than Twilight Princess but the Skeletal creatures in that game look a lot different. Plus MM and OOT are still the same timeline, and realistically MM could be happening inside Links head while he is asleep (dreaming) so it could be good information if we think outside the box, and assume Links experience and knowledge of Stalchildren in OOT and after, could be factual in MM. But realistically it's all just a load of theories and one day i hope Nintendo release a book of some kind explaining all the tiny details of the creatures in Zelda! I feel that book would sell really well 😂I should ask for a job at Nintendo shouldn't I ? Great comment, loved reading it and i appreciate your honesty and stopping by the video! Have 2 of these >>>
      Quick Edit.
      I am not meaning to come off argumentative or defensive in my comment so please don't read it like that, i just genuinely love discussing and theorizing anything Zelda. Ohh, have another 2

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision 2 місяці тому

      The psychological aspect in OoT relating to Link is really interesting, I haven’t heard much of that before. Liked the idea that the appearance of Stalchildren were related to Young Link’s level of fear, and loved the idea that the Bunny Hood made him feel better!

    • @TheCosmicChicken
      @TheCosmicChicken 2 місяці тому

      @@ZelRando Thank you! Now I have one moon for each Giant (Termina won't stand a chance)!
      Your reply came across just fine; no worries. I actually was a little worried my initial comment might have seemed a bit dismissive or pompous, so thank you for taking it in such good humor! Normally, I'm not this opinionated or heavy-handed, but OoT was such an intimate part of my childhood that it's very close to my heart (I played it -- and to a slightly lesser extent, MM -- so much that the game is almost like a childhood home I have fond memories of growing up in).
      Saying I "disagree" was actually a little stronger than I meant to come across. More like I have theories that differ from yours a bit, but the lore around Stalchildren is so ambiguous that it's not like I can debate anything with authoritative evidence. I really do appreciate the way you offered your own take on theories about the lore and opened up an intriguing discussion about the topic. Theorizing and exploring the lore is something I'm happy to see, so I definitely wouldn't want to come across as telling you you're wrong or shutting down conversation or anything like that.
      I agree that MM lore is very open-ended. It could have all been a dream Link was having (and I feel like there's something in the Hyrule Historia that indicates such, which is actually annoying to me, because I prefer for it to be open to interpretation, which is how the developers and writers of the game seemed to intentionally leave it). So, the lore-relationship between certain characters or creatures and their counterparts in OoT and MM is certainly open to theorizing!

  • @donthespotter6550
    @donthespotter6550 2 місяці тому +4

    I think they are called children because they are smaller or (lesser) than stalfos

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +4

      It could be! Be nice if Nintendo could just gives us all the tiny details of creatures in Hyrule lol

    • @vinny9988
      @vinny9988 2 місяці тому +1

      I second that theory

  • @PACTSII
    @PACTSII 2 місяці тому +1

    You are such an underrated youtuber, you deserve millions of subscribers, not thousands

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      Thank you so much! I really appreciate that, one day we will make it! :D

  • @GossipGeist
    @GossipGeist 2 місяці тому +1

    Interesting observations. Somehow, I never really stopped and asked myself WHY Stalchildren no longer spawned while playing as Adult Link. Good video!

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      @@GossipGeist thank you :)

  • @Superspinj
    @Superspinj 2 місяці тому +2

    I love your vids ❤

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you so much! It really means a lot to me! 💚

  • @redhorseman7599
    @redhorseman7599 2 місяці тому

    I always tought that Stallchild were Kokiri that left the forest... Mido and maybe others said that Kokiri are forbidden to leave the forest so, as hylians become stalfos by getting lost in the woods, I tought that Kokiri leaving the forest became stalchild(ren). By the way the Skullkids appearing in OOT and MM are written in Japanese "sutarukiddo", so "Stalkid", and are supposed to be (hylian) kids that got lost in the woods...

  • @schneemilch908
    @schneemilch908 2 місяці тому +2

    Maybe they are still there, but sense the Master sword on Link and thus keep a distance to him?

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      That's an interesting point 🤔🤔

  • @samsung70346
    @samsung70346 2 місяці тому +2

    Yeah how dare anyone hurt jabujaby, he didnt do anything 😢

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      I know right! 😨

  • @The_Lucent_Archangel
    @The_Lucent_Archangel 2 місяці тому +1

    It's a bit ironic and tragic that the Hero of Time became something similar before teaching the Hero of Twilight various sword techniques.

  • @rockk9753
    @rockk9753 2 місяці тому +1

    This can be answered by looking at the next game which is Majora's mask, in that game the stalchildren were the dead soldiers of the Ikana Kingdom, so theyre obviously the fallen Hyrule Kingdom soldiers, there was a bloody war shortly before the main story begins after all

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah but in Majora's Mask Ikana was cursed after Stone Tower was opened, so that could explain why they are still roaming the land

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision 2 місяці тому

      Yeah he basically mentioned all that in the video lol

    • @rockk9753
      @rockk9753 2 місяці тому

      @@MerkhVision yeah I know, I was just reinforcing that specific theory, like you're getting ahead of yourself with that comment bro lol

    • @rockk9753
      @rockk9753 2 місяці тому

      @@ZelRando in Ocarina of Time isn't Ganondorf an evil sorcerer that can cast curses and make phantoms, isn't he the one trying to stop our boy Link from succeeding, aren't most of the monsters in ocarina of time his minions? Haha

    • @rockk9753
      @rockk9753 2 місяці тому

      @@ZelRando Ganondorf is the one that is most likely sending them after Link he can't make it obvious he needs Link to open the door either and they don't target the runner guy only Link (I know that's because of how the game is programmed but it's just to add to the lore speculations) lol

  • @WyvernLP
    @WyvernLP 2 місяці тому

    But can Majora's Mask be a trusted source of info? I mean according to wikipedia.
    "When a Skull Kid steals Majora's Mask from a traveling mask salesman, the combination of the Skull Kid's burdened heart and the evil magic within Majora's Mask transforms the world into the land of Termina." "The four giants were friends of the Skull Kid who, much like Termina itself, were created in a new form by the power of Majora's Mask." "While the hero's pure heart allows the world of Termina to momentarily revel in its salvation, as soon as he departs, that world ceases to exist."

  • @Sum_Gi
    @Sum_Gi 2 місяці тому +1

    Ayyyyyyeeeeee Infamous Zelda is back in a new look but the same great style! Easily one of my favorite Zelda theorists!
    Anyway, I never gave much thought to Stalchildren other than they were annoying. I didn’t even knew they grew in size until I saw videos showing it. I think it’s telling that they only appear to Link in child form. I assumed they’re still in Hyrule Field when Link is an adult but they don’t want to mess with Link since he’s bigger than they are and they only try to attack weaker beings like children. I agree that I don’t think they’re “children” in the literal sense, however I can see them as “children” of a greater force. Honestly the Hero of Twilight Link being trained by the Hero of Time in TP made me think that Hero of Time turned into a sort of Stalfos so I just kinda thought they were sometimes what warriors can turn into until I remembered what happens when you get lost in the Lost Woods. Definitely makes me rethink a lot about their place in Zelda lore now!
    Great video bro! So hyped!!!

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      Thank you for stopping by and showing love to the channel as always! I wish Nintendo would just release a huge book with every little detail on the creatures in Hyrule lol

  • @dem0n0maniac
    @dem0n0maniac 2 місяці тому +1

    Finally, someone else who recognizes the superiority of Majora's Mask lol

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      It's true, I do O_o

  • @Rev11CIB
    @Rev11CIB 24 дні тому

    Stalchildren
    Stalfoes
    I always thought stalchild was a baby stalfoes lol

  • @dominicmoisant8393
    @dominicmoisant8393 2 місяці тому +2

    Like Black Sabbath said, children of the grave

  • @biggbals4375
    @biggbals4375 2 місяці тому +1

    Awesome video!!

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      @@biggbals4375 thank you!

  • @sgillman16
    @sgillman16 2 місяці тому +1

    The ones in Majora's Mask have nothing to do with the ones in Hyrule Field. Completely differently universe with the same character models

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah but for Zelda lore they are still relevant. Thanks for stopping by and helping to support the channel :)

  • @Enshaqlopedia
    @Enshaqlopedia 2 місяці тому +1

    great video!

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you! :D

  • @l_3216
    @l_3216 2 місяці тому +1

    aussie of time

  • @ZelRando
    @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

    What's your thoughts on Stalchildren??

    • @sentarious1
      @sentarious1 2 місяці тому +2

      Well we know that supposedly getting lost in the Lost Woods turns normal people into them. I think they're probably all stemming from curses across Hyrule rather than either just Demise (like we see in ToTK and BoTW) or the Lost Woods. They're probably more like the end result of powerful curses affecting corpses regardless of where that curse came from. That would explain why they're in Hyrule Field, are spoken about in the Woods, and are seen elsewhere across other titles with Stal variations.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      @@sentarious1 Certainly could be. I thought if you got lost in the woods you turned into a Stalfos though, and not a Stalchild as such. Thank you for stopping by :)

  • @jam06
    @jam06 2 місяці тому +1

    I always thought they were called stalkids lol

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      They are but also Stalchildren and stalchild 😊

    • @jam06
      @jam06 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ZelRando I know, I had to look it up last night and realized I was calling them the wrong thing this whole time

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      @jam06 close enough lol

  • @SardineBreath28
    @SardineBreath28 2 місяці тому +1

    Guess whos back. Back again

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      You know it! Another long video is on the way O_o

  • @Pepesmall
    @Pepesmall 2 місяці тому +2

    Aren't they just young or small Stalfos

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      @Pepesmall seems like it, but according to lore, they are actually kind of different. Thanks for stopping by :)

    • @elio7610
      @elio7610 2 місяці тому +2

      the standard stalfos are human skeletons but the stalchildren have claws and their skulls are more like a wolf or something, it is just not clear what race they are from.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      @@elio7610 It's a shame Nintendo can't release a huge book about all the Zelda creatures with every tiny detail :(

  • @MartKart8
    @MartKart8 2 місяці тому +1

    The name change again, some months ago, I uploaded images of things I built in Blender in your Discord channel.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, sorry about the name changing. I have decided this is the name from on and the path of the channel moving forward! What channel did you post in on discord, i am not active on it again. Thanks for stopping by and helping out the channel :)

    • @MartKart8
      @MartKart8 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ZelRando I posted in the channel called Lumpy Pumpkin Lenzos - photography

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +2

      @@MartKart8 Yeah i just saw, some really awesome stuff! I'd like to see more

  • @thcrtn
    @thcrtn 2 місяці тому

    Soo what's the whole thing of the lost woods turning adults into stalfos? It's probably got nothing to do with ganon. Remember those "warriors" only go after the kid... Not adult link. If ganon was involved they definitely would still be after him 7years later.
    Who's to say the royal family is not involved, links dressed as a korkiri...
    I'm not convinced the hyrule side is the good side, I just know they are responsible for telling the story. And when you let who wins tell stories they skip and avoid things to make themselves look better and other people worse.
    We get the truth from the graveyard and shadow temple...
    😂 People tend to follow narrative.

  • @SkyLizardGirl
    @SkyLizardGirl 2 місяці тому +1

    The Stalchildren are gone simply because Link has already went to termina and defeated the Majora’s Mask and cult etc.. And they simply stopped in Links adult timeline.

    • @ZelRando
      @ZelRando  2 місяці тому +1

      That's and interesting theory!