I'm a student pilot in an R22. For me, looking at that, it seems they are looking at the ground and not ahead. I'm surprised they have gone solo at all if they struggle putting it down. The best of luck to them though, it's an amazing machine and anyone who has ever had a go at it will appreciate how difficult it actually is to fly one of these incredible machines.
The trick is to first come to a stable hover (3 ft or so) over the spot you want to land. Then, in your mind and eyes, continue to concentrate on the hover - and as you do so, very slightly lower the collective. As the helicopter then begins to settle, don't take you mind and eyes off of the hovering and just let the helicopter settle and land. Then when the skids touch down - lower the collective all the way. It does not work to simply lower the collective in an attempt to land and forget to hover the helicopter. This is how I figured out how to overcome the stress of landing - simple when you think about it.
A lot of the problem here is the reticence to put down the lever. I believe this is often caused by instructors rightly being wary of dynamic rollover and / or rolling if the lever is put down when the aircraft is very close to the ground and not stable - as in still moving sideways. If you’re a newbie this gets in your head and you become overly careful.
That's OK. If that is a student then they did everything right. Tried multiple different things and only landed when they were confident. I could point out all the errors but I am sure they will think about it and next time it will be a bit better. Take care.............
I was always taught to come into the hover mark my spot and commit to the landing. If you are too jittery and spend too much time you get tight on the controls and it ends up like this. Time on the controls will take care of all of that, just nerves
I love this so much. Helicopters are amazing fun to watch (especially when there's a student pilot at the controls) because they're moving slow enough that you can see that there's a human controlling it. I'm not talking about seeing them through the windows. Look how it moves about when he lifts back off the first time. To me, it really looks like somebody pulling their hand back from a hot surface. In an airplane you'd never see that because it's flying past at 80 mph.
I had the same problem during my early training days to try a perfect hover before touchdown , one day my instructor told me just to set the dam thing down as soon as safe to do so.
That had me nervous. I kept saying to my computer monitor face the other way in to the wind and set down on the lawn! She did! So glad that didn't end in disaster.
She has been asked to land on the small concrete landing pad (small when your new to flying) She was concentrating on getting the heli down on the concrete and not looking ahead. See how easily she landed on the grass next to the concrete. It is very easy to get distracted with a landing pad rather than concentrate on the landing. She nailed it on the grass no probs. I get the heli was tail low and all the other comments, but when you have a very expensive hangar infront of you and a small pad under you it can sometimes all be a bit too much, hence she took the correct route and landed on the grass. Well done her. I had many students and new pilots return from solos and land on the grass rather that stuff up a hurried landing on the concrete.
You shittin me? She is going to kill someone,,,, very soon. This is like a driver hitting a tiny bump on the road and slamming the brake and jerking the steering wheel, in response.
There were two times she had one skid down, and the pulled up instead of dumping the collective and letting someone else come wheel it in. Dynamic rollover is not a joke, and the potential for it when she's on one skid and in grabby grass (horizontal friction component) can be fatal. Too many people are "afraid" to set it down. PUT IT DOWN. "She has been asked..." The Pilot in Command (PIC) is the one who determines where he or she lands. If she "was asked" to land where she didn't want to land, she should thank the asker later. She should land where SHE wants to land, safety being the #1 concern.
@chopper212s Thanks for responding! Interesting. Other comments were saying with the building being so close, the rotor wash or whatever was bouncing off the building causing the turbulence. Is that really how physics work in a helicopter?
Probably her first or one of her first solo flights. I remember feeling like I was going to strike the tail when I started to land the first time by myself... no instructor weight in the cockpit gives you that nose-high attitude that takes some getting used to after doing dual for so long.
As a helicopter pilot with over 30 years of experience, flying many different models, I must admit that I found myself applying very active body language, and animated facial expressions, as I watched every bounce, and struggle that she had as she patiently figured out how to that challenge. I loved it. Yup, Although I have my fixed-wing rating, and always love flying my old '67 Cessna Cardinal, F-14 Tomcat Edition! (Okay, the fighter designation is all in my head, but in my view out of the cockpit, is of that yaw cord whipping in the wind, and the IAS is Mach .9! My first Chopper was a GMP Cricket, quickly followed by a GMP Competitor, with collective pitch. My frustrating experiences with these two helicopters, as I tried to learn how to fly, was what I was re-living as I watched her. Back in the Early 1980's, our helicopters only had crude mechanical Kraft, yaw-rate gyros. They were heavy, took a lot of battery power to run, and at best only helped control those violent, unplanned, momentary complete loss of yaw muscle memory, that seems to happen often, in the early days of my long journey to becoming a decent chopper pilot. In the many years since then, I had a few more gas engine choppers, but looked forward to the days when electric motor technology would advance to the point that I could finally retire that big oily O. S. Max, Schnurle Ported, Nitro-methane guzzling, buzz bomb. I admit to a certain amount of frustration with the ease with which, a complete novice can pick up, and fly a helicopter, with only minutes of training. Looking back at the years of work, and money that I spent, to learn how to fly helicopters without crashing into the many chain-link fences that have destroyed so many of my helis, the incredible advances in technology that makes flying the latest helis, and quad-copters, so easy to learn, as well as being much more precise, in maneuvering, is mind-boggling. I really enjoyed this video, and also reading all of the comments. 😁
... gotta commit to landing and not jerk it back up ... R22's are touchy helicopters .... that hanger is probably bouncing back some wind... still maintained control --- which is always good!
The answer is so simple. It is nothing more than tensing up as you approach the ground. Lift-offs are always much easier, because you are leaving that "bad old ground" behind. When you are a low-time pilot and you are landing, you just tighten up as you approach the ground, because you don't want to muck it up. Every pilot has done that. I have done that too. The pilot needs to do an hour or more with an instructor to polish landings. Going for a grass landing is always better than a hard surface, assuming of course that the grass is level and not lumpy. Slight forward movement can be a good thing too. The skids are designed for it. It stops you going backwards, and it can take the sideways movement out too.
I fly the Robinson R66. Much different beast from the R22 but my guess is the pilot has a lack of confidence in lowering the collective continuously and maintaining proper heading while doing so.
No problem! It was on control, just a little bit of precipitation to release the collective because she was focus on the small concrete pad and the wall. So, lack of a good reference point, it was harder. But it was perfect decision, no stress, and another try in better condition which was successful. That's what we call "learning". And human is a beast for that...
R22 can be a handful to land , 2 things. His trim is off and wind coming around the corners of the building. The heli is wanting to set down on the rear of the skids.
Mechanical turbulence is a possible factor, but the ac is eventually landed even closer to the hangar. Very inexperienced pilot and was having difficulty with a hard surface landing... many bell pilots experience that to some extent jumping into a EC product. Pilot made the right call... land on the grass where you're more comfortable, then work on the t/o's and landings :/
@@jetstream454 I suppose I should clarify. Bell 206 is likely the most common starter A/C in the industry. The two bladed system is far less "reactive" than a 3 bladed rotor system as found on the EC products. They're more "twitchy" in ground effect as well and can present challenges to inexperienced pilots. The Bell 407 is a 4 bladed rotor system and is quite responsive, although I still find it more stable IGE (personal opinion). Hope that rant answered your question? Lol
Overcontrol. Looking in too close to the aircraft...needs to look further in front..... Can't wait for him/her to try it with Night Vision Goggles! Hey we all did this in the beginning he/she will get better
Agreed, it's really hard to not look down when your first starting out and the death grip on the cyclic doesn't help matters either!! Every time the machine touches the ground and then lifts off again I can still hear "FAACK!!" LOL
gentle down collective and let it settle..Had nothing to do with the surface..Abruptly taking up on the collective is the wrong thing to do.I suggest he practice his hover and set downs for a few hours until he is comfortable enough to let her settle.
Looks like my landings when I had less than 100 hours...just not looking long when hovering and not flying to the ground. Ended well with a safe landing. Good for her.
Just some advice to new chopper pilots if your struggling to put it down on the pavement don't be afraid to use the grass. Don't stress it will come together!
Major: Inexperienced pilot with low hours that just needs some practice. Minor: Too much time looking out of the side windows and not enough looking out the front windscreen for reference points. Appears a little afraid to lower collective all the way down. Appeared to be searching for a touchdown point, and then got lost after a few skid touches and nerves snuck up on him/her. I'm a HEMS Flight Nurse Practitioner on a N.J. State Police AgustaWestland AW139. I don't fly. That's the job of the State Police pilot and co-pilot. Opinion from our pilots? Not bad for a rookie !!!!
Your getting a blow back from the cushion off the building to close to high so the cushion is pumped up not letting you put down evenly loosing stability , just back up , level out get lower and put down easy ,a lesion , don't land close to buildings ,but good learning , and 10 points for persevering well done
It looked as though he was fighting a tail wind on his way to the hangar, in which case I hope he didn't do his approach to landing in that direction! This is verified by the fact that his set-down became easy once he turned it ,
Inexperience, wind/rotorwash around the hangar perhaps, not remember to ease off the left pedal when reducing collective (seemed to be in a gentle tail rotor/collective PIO). Best to pick up, take a lap, and try again in a minute if getting flustered.
Lack of experience...he was already touching the ground safely but since he felt the left skid touching first and aft he thought he was on the wrong attitude to land and continued then to use the collective to lift up in the precise moment he should leave the helicopter to settle...
Pilot should have been better instructed about dynamic rollover. 3 times she should have dropped the collective and she'd have been fine, but instead, light on the skids and in potentially "grabby grass" she lifted up at an uneven attitude. Inexperience + mechanical turbulence from the hangar + wrong reaction to kissing the ground are all bad.
Ehud Gavron - Was there any risk of ground resonance? From what I understand, if you bump the ground then you should get back to a hover to avoid the result of shaking. Is this a potential problem for this helicopter or is it really inexperience and if the craft was set down quickly, it would have been ok?
My guess is that the wind came directly in the tail.... just look how much the heli is correcting by leaning on its tail... helis get directional unstable with wind from behind in hover... and its a very light heli...
vertigo. When you're used to looking out in front of you then try looking down to where you're landing it's like mixing two separate ways of flying, you can do one or the other, but if you mix them up you get disoriented.
Never had this problem while learning to fly RC models. All I did was transition into a hover on foot above the ground and lowered the collective slowly. The only thing to watch out for is a cross wind.
Wind in the wrong direction on the tail rotor giving dirty air and causing the yaw. Turned into a better wind angle..no problem. Quite an experienced pilot who recognised the problem.
Looked to me like trying to land with a beam wind, not a head or tail. Once the 2 aborted landings were done and the aircraft was rotated 90 degrees it seems like it required a lot less pilot input to put it on the ground. (the wind sock kind of looks like it supported the theory)
I think he's to close to that building. Two things I remember this old movie stunt man told me. Never stand behind a horse, and never stand near a helicopter. They can both run wild.
Agreed. Rotor causing turbulence for being to close to the building and questionable winds around the whole building area, even vortex conditions like the SF bird in the compound of UBL's hit.
next time, don't grip the collective. just put your hand on top of it and apply a slow smooth pressure, while flying it to the ground. If your collective inputs are incremental, the ship will sort of bounce off the "pillow" of ground effect, and want to come back up right when you're trying to set down.
he didn't have any movement, he had a good hover, he was messing around with his collective, he should of reduce pitch as soon as he made contact with the ground. must have got into a habit of ground checking, increasing the collective on ground floor to see if the aircraft is definitely on the ground. he clearly had all the references he needed. just a shook novice. you can see he had no tail control, when he was landing he would start to spin, naturally making him increase collective.
He had ground resonance due to the back corner of his skid hitting the ground first. His instinct was correct to pick up the craft, stabilize, then touchdown again
@@rockridgewoodshop Thank you, but I likely heard that somewhere and I liked it too. No sarcasm was intended, I really do feel a day is not complete unless I learn something.
inexperience, you can see that this pilot is behind the machine. Tail rotor inputs are way behind collective inputs. Skid touches hard on the pad and the pilot over reacts pulling up. Easily lands on the soft grass. Every student has a day this, maybe more than a few. Go try it for yourself if you doubt it.
The day of my solo the instructor was rushed and I'll as always. Flew one pattern with him then told to fly 3 after dropping him off and return to class. At 131 pounds it didn't want to come down as I entered my approach. Overshot maybe 50ft .lucky I didn't get into trouble being outta balance like I was
Breathe .. take deep breaths .. this will help. Your inputs were too large.
I'm a student pilot in an R22. For me, looking at that, it seems they are looking at the ground and not ahead. I'm surprised they have gone solo at all if they struggle putting it down. The best of luck to them though, it's an amazing machine and anyone who has ever had a go at it will appreciate how difficult it actually is to fly one of these incredible machines.
The Pilot always retained control and never gave up.
The touch down was perfect.
Very Well Done!
Nothing a thousand hours wouldn't cure..........
Most people have the other problem, he can’t get it down🤣
The trick is to first come to a stable hover (3 ft or so) over the spot you want to land. Then, in your mind and eyes, continue to concentrate on the hover - and as you do so, very slightly lower the collective. As the helicopter then begins to settle, don't take you mind and eyes off of the hovering and just let the helicopter settle and land. Then when the skids touch down - lower the collective all the way.
It does not work to simply lower the collective in an attempt to land and forget to hover the helicopter. This is how I figured out how to overcome the stress of landing - simple when you think about it.
A lot of the problem here is the reticence to put down the lever. I believe this is often caused by instructors rightly being wary of dynamic rollover and / or rolling if the lever is put down when the aircraft is very close to the ground and not stable - as in still moving sideways. If you’re a newbie this gets in your head and you become overly careful.
That's OK.
If that is a student then they did everything right. Tried multiple different things and only landed when they were confident. I could point out all the errors but I am sure they will think about it and next time it will be a bit better.
Take care.............
No problem, same thing i do sometimes with the SF-25C Rotax-Falke, especially in windy conditions. 😆
I was always taught to come into the hover mark my spot and commit to the landing. If you are too jittery and spend too much time you get tight on the controls and it ends up like this. Time on the controls will take care of all of that, just nerves
I love this so much. Helicopters are amazing fun to watch (especially when there's a student pilot at the controls) because they're moving slow enough that you can see that there's a human controlling it. I'm not talking about seeing them through the windows. Look how it moves about when he lifts back off the first time. To me, it really looks like somebody pulling their hand back from a hot surface. In an airplane you'd never see that because it's flying past at 80 mph.
There's a lot of turbulence wrapping around and over top from that shed...
I had the same problem during my early training days to try a perfect hover before touchdown , one day my instructor told me just to set the dam thing down as soon as safe to do so.
That had me nervous. I kept saying to my computer monitor face the other way in to the wind and set down on the lawn! She did! So glad that didn't end in disaster.
Same here lol I noticed the windsock at the beginning, he had a tail wind
She has been asked to land on the small concrete landing pad (small when your new to flying) She was concentrating on getting the heli down on the concrete and not looking ahead. See how easily she landed on the grass next to the concrete. It is very easy to get distracted with a landing pad rather than concentrate on the landing. She nailed it on the grass no probs. I get the heli was tail low and all the other comments, but when you have a very expensive hangar infront of you and a small pad under you it can sometimes all be a bit too much, hence she took the correct route and landed on the grass. Well done her. I had many students and new pilots return from solos and land on the grass rather that stuff up a hurried landing on the concrete.
You shittin me? She is going to kill someone,,,, very soon. This is like a driver hitting a tiny bump on the road and slamming the brake and jerking the steering wheel, in response.
There were two times she had one skid down, and the pulled up instead of dumping the collective and letting someone else come wheel it in. Dynamic rollover is not a joke, and the potential for it when she's on one skid and in grabby grass (horizontal friction component) can be fatal. Too many people are "afraid" to set it down. PUT IT DOWN.
"She has been asked..."
The Pilot in Command (PIC) is the one who determines where he or she lands. If she "was asked" to land where she didn't want to land, she should thank the asker later. She should land where SHE wants to land, safety being the #1 concern.
I thought she was on a decapitation mission.
@chopper212s Just curious, how many hours experience would you say the pilot has in the video? How many hours would make it an unacceptable landing?
@chopper212s Thanks for responding! Interesting. Other comments were saying with the building being so close, the rotor wash or whatever was bouncing off the building causing the turbulence. Is that really how physics work in a helicopter?
Based on my own personal experience with my PPL at the moment I'd say the pilot was battling with pedal inputs and collective corrections.
Probably her first or one of her first solo flights. I remember feeling like I was going to strike the tail when I started to land the first time by myself... no instructor weight in the cockpit gives you that nose-high attitude that takes some getting used to after doing dual for so long.
As a helicopter pilot with over 30 years of experience, flying many different models, I must admit that I found myself applying very active body language, and animated facial expressions, as I watched every bounce, and struggle that she had as she patiently figured out how to that challenge.
I loved it.
Yup, Although I have my fixed-wing rating, and always love flying my old '67 Cessna Cardinal, F-14 Tomcat Edition! (Okay, the fighter designation is all in my head, but in my view out of the cockpit, is of that yaw cord whipping in the wind, and the IAS is Mach .9!
My first Chopper was a GMP Cricket, quickly followed by a GMP Competitor, with collective pitch.
My frustrating experiences with these two helicopters, as I tried to learn how to fly, was what I was re-living as I watched her.
Back in the Early 1980's, our helicopters only had crude mechanical Kraft, yaw-rate gyros. They were heavy, took a lot of battery power to run, and at best only helped control those violent, unplanned, momentary complete loss of yaw muscle memory, that seems to happen often, in the early days of my long journey to becoming a decent chopper pilot.
In the many years since then, I had a few more gas engine choppers, but looked forward to the days when electric motor technology would advance to the point that I could finally retire that big oily O. S. Max, Schnurle Ported, Nitro-methane guzzling, buzz bomb.
I admit to a certain amount of frustration with the ease with which, a complete novice can pick up, and fly a helicopter, with only minutes of training.
Looking back at the years of work, and money that I spent, to learn how to fly helicopters without crashing into the many chain-link fences that have destroyed so many of my helis, the incredible advances in technology that makes flying the latest helis, and quad-copters, so easy to learn, as well as being much more precise, in maneuvering, is mind-boggling.
I really enjoyed this video, and also reading all of the comments. 😁
Prob low time pilot or student pilot, needs to have a steady hover before touch down , having a good reference point would help lol
Low time pilot. My guess is a decent left cross wind while trying to land. Once she turned into the wind, she landed fine.
It touched down twice , Is it as simple as back the power right off when its on the ground???? Just curious.
The problem sermed to be the cyclic and collective pitch adjuster.
I would love to learn to fly not going to happen for me glad others are out there learning
Pretty good hover skills , didn't put it on the ground until he was completely sure it would stick
Just inexperience, that's all.
When I used to get the wobbles when landing I used to cheat by rolling off the throttle or by landing with a very slight forward motion.
... gotta commit to landing and not jerk it back up ... R22's are touchy helicopters .... that hanger is probably bouncing back some wind... still maintained control --- which is always good!
Does anybody have some extra strength spot remover or should I throw my underwear away
The answer is so simple. It is nothing more than tensing up as you approach the ground. Lift-offs are always much easier, because you are leaving that "bad old ground" behind. When you are a low-time pilot and you are landing, you just tighten up as you approach the ground, because you don't want to muck it up. Every pilot has done that. I have done that too. The pilot needs to do an hour or more with an instructor to polish landings. Going for a grass landing is always better than a hard surface, assuming of course that the grass is level and not lumpy. Slight forward movement can be a good thing too. The skids are designed for it. It stops you going backwards, and it can take the sideways movement out too.
I fly the Robinson R66. Much different beast from the R22 but my guess is the pilot has a lack of confidence in lowering the collective continuously and maintaining proper heading while doing so.
That's what I was thinking
No problem!
It was on control, just a little bit of precipitation to release the collective because she was focus on the small concrete pad and the wall. So, lack of a good reference point, it was harder.
But it was perfect decision, no stress, and another try in better condition which was successful.
That's what we call "learning". And human is a beast for that...
R22 can be a handful to land , 2 things. His trim is off and wind coming around the corners of the building. The heli is wanting to set down on the rear of the skids.
Looks like you tensed up, little iffy on the collective, other than that, great job, no bent parts to replace.
Someone with a Camera would unnerve me!
Just move away from the building, which is creating unstable air 🙈
Ding,ding,ding we have a winner 30+years with helicopters
Yup asymmetric thrust
Mechanical turbulence is a possible factor, but the ac is eventually landed even closer to the hangar.
Very inexperienced pilot and was having difficulty with a hard surface landing... many bell pilots experience that to some extent jumping into a EC product.
Pilot made the right call... land on the grass where you're more comfortable, then work on the t/o's and landings :/
@@j.francismacdonald1506 How come this is a problem moving from Bell to EC?
@@jetstream454 I suppose I should clarify. Bell 206 is likely the most common starter A/C in the industry. The two bladed system is far less "reactive" than a 3 bladed rotor system as found on the EC products. They're more "twitchy" in ground effect as well and can present challenges to inexperienced pilots. The Bell 407 is a 4 bladed rotor system and is quite responsive, although I still find it more stable IGE (personal opinion).
Hope that rant answered your question? Lol
Overcontrol. Looking in too close to the aircraft...needs to look further in front.....
Can't wait for him/her to try it with Night Vision Goggles! Hey we all did this in the beginning he/she will get better
Agreed, it's really hard to not look down when your first starting out and the death grip on the cyclic doesn't help matters either!! Every time the machine touches the ground and then lifts off again I can still hear "FAACK!!" LOL
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nvdwarriorLtc How long did it take you to get certified&ballpark how much $$ did it cost ?
I think she done alright .
I couldn't do that.
Also I was told that "any landing you can walk away from is a good landing"
Just a low hour pilot thats all.
That’s exactly what I was thinking , just wouldn’t fully set it down. Hint , lower collective
Yup. He touched down got nervous and raised the collective.
This is equivalent to a driver hitting a tiny bump on the road and slamming the brake and jerking the steering wheel in response.
gentle down collective and let it settle..Had nothing to do with the surface..Abruptly taking up on the collective is the wrong thing to do.I suggest he practice his hover and set downs for a few hours until he is comfortable enough to let her settle.
Why don’t he just Cut the engine, when he touches the ground? I’ve never piloted a helicopter, only fixed wing aircraft...
When you're blowing a lot of air against that hangar wall, some of it is bound to come bouncing back at you
Once the skids touch lower the collective with authority.
Fantastic !
Yep bin there done that , like others said to close to the building you get sucked in by your down wash and probably a newbie.
I think it was rotor wash off the hanger in the unevenness of the grass behind the skids cost for a Sevier updraft trying to kick the tail around
the ground is not the problem, as you touch (too fast) you climb immediately.
AsMrDiamondcor said...low hour time
Safe on the ground - great catch :)
Ground Resonance ???
Looks like my landings when I had less than 100 hours...just not looking long when hovering and not flying to the ground. Ended well with a safe landing. Good for her.
Just some advice to new chopper pilots if your struggling to put it down on the pavement don't be afraid to use the grass.
Don't stress it will come together!
Low hour pucker factor , constant collective overcompensation .In a few hundo hrs it'll be smooth .
I do not know much about helicopter, but I believe that there is a huge lack of suspension for the landing “gear”
Looks like a bit of tail rotor flutter which is caused by a bad stack bearing, rendering tail rotor authority very tricky.
I want buy this sir
Major: Inexperienced pilot with low hours that just needs some practice. Minor: Too much time looking out of the side windows and not enough looking out the front windscreen for reference points. Appears a little afraid to lower collective all the way down. Appeared to be searching for a touchdown point, and then got lost after a few skid touches and nerves snuck up on him/her. I'm a HEMS Flight Nurse Practitioner on a N.J. State Police AgustaWestland AW139. I don't fly. That's the job of the State Police pilot and co-pilot. Opinion from our pilots? Not bad for a rookie !!!!
Your getting a blow back from the cushion off the building to close to high so the cushion is pumped up not letting you put down evenly loosing stability , just back up , level out get lower and put down easy ,a lesion , don't land close to buildings ,but good learning , and 10 points for persevering well done
It looked as though he was fighting a tail wind on his way to the hangar, in which case I hope he didn't do his approach to landing in that direction! This is verified by the fact that his set-down became easy once he turned it ,
She Was A Broad Fool !
Inexperience, wind/rotorwash around the hangar perhaps, not remember to ease off the left pedal when reducing collective (seemed to be in a gentle tail rotor/collective PIO). Best to pick up, take a lap, and try again in a minute if getting flustered.
Wonder if the corner of the building was causing a moving high presure bubble of air causing the juggling of the craft..
Lack of experience...he was already touching the ground safely but since he felt the left skid touching first and aft he thought he was on the wrong attitude to land and continued then to use the collective to lift up in the precise moment he should leave the helicopter to settle...
'Looks to me like you were fighting a tailwind when trying to touchdown
Pilot should have been better instructed about dynamic rollover. 3 times she should have dropped the collective and she'd have been fine, but instead, light on the skids and in potentially "grabby grass" she lifted up at an uneven attitude. Inexperience + mechanical turbulence from the hangar + wrong reaction to kissing the ground are all bad.
She is way way scarier than Kara Hultgreen , call sign Ravelon
YOU sound like a Great instructor, I had years ago one was a Vienam pilot. 100% on the money
Ehud Gavron - Was there any risk of ground resonance? From what I understand, if you bump the ground then you should get back to a hover to avoid the result of shaking. Is this a potential problem for this helicopter or is it really inexperience and if the craft was set down quickly, it would have been ok?
As long as the pilot and aircraft are still in one piece, it’s a good landing. Lol
That's right, and as we're all taught....... "any landing that you walk away from is a good landing."
Landing on grass and concrete 2 types of ground effect and close to the hanger
My guess is that the wind came directly in the tail.... just look how much the heli is correcting by leaning on its tail... helis get directional unstable with wind from behind in hover... and its a very light heli...
vertigo. When you're used to looking out in front of you then try looking down to where you're landing it's like mixing two separate ways of flying, you can do one or the other, but if you mix them up you get disoriented.
Great effort for a novice, pratice makes perfect
Never had this problem while learning to fly RC models. All I did was transition into a hover on foot above the ground and lowered the collective slowly. The only thing to watch out for is a cross wind.
True. He was simply being too cautious here. Nothing wrong in that.
Definitely made a good choice by choosing another location to put it down
Wind in the wrong direction on the tail rotor giving dirty air and causing the yaw. Turned into a better wind angle..no problem. Quite an experienced pilot who recognised the problem.
I wouldn't let him anywhere near a helicopter... Never mind a Robinson R22... 'Nuff said!!!...
Looked to me like trying to land with a beam wind, not a head or tail. Once the 2 aborted landings were done and the aircraft was rotated 90 degrees it seems like it required a lot less pilot input to put it on the ground. (the wind sock kind of looks like it supported the theory)
I think he's to close to that building. Two things I remember this old movie stunt man told me. Never stand behind a horse, and never stand near a helicopter. They can both run wild.
Agreed. Rotor causing turbulence for being to close to the building and questionable winds around the whole building area, even vortex conditions like the SF bird in the compound of UBL's hit.
Lack of a reference point on uneven terrain. They lost track of where they were and thought they were setting down in a rut.
If I figured it out from watching this, then the pilot knows too haha. Nice riddle for us viewers.
Ground effects from the building I think.
I, was afraid of the building, to hit it with the propeller, but maybe the angle is fooling the viewer.
..........the remote control failed to open the hanger door ?
right pedal,,,right Pedal,,, RIGHT PEDAL RIGHT PEDAL, I have the controls...
Skids should be level on touchdown. I think they might want to add more weight in the empty seat to correct the aft CG component.
it looked like the aircraft ws not properly trimmed. Seem to have had aft trim
It's not an airplane in forward flight.
Damn all these years I've been landing wrong with the skids level.
zzodr ... on your video game? The skids will rarely be level on touchdown in a real helicopter.
Damn i missed the penny, try and try again
next time, don't grip the collective. just put your hand on top of it and apply a slow smooth pressure, while flying it to the ground. If your collective inputs are incremental, the ship will sort of bounce off the "pillow" of ground effect, and want to come back up right when you're trying to set down.
Routine practise by a solo student . Looks normal ??????
I would worry about either ground resonance or dynamic rollover.
Good job avoiding the dreaded ground resonance.
Not hard to do with a semirigid rotor.
Hovering is easier if heading is maintained. I had that problem.
Mostly Psyched themselves out by being close to the building in a small area. Also trying to finesse when sometimes you just have to plant it.
I don't understand. You're on the ground, just turn of the motor. What am I missing?
LTE due to wind direction. Once he changed his heading, he was fine.
TOO MUCH COFFEE THAT MORNING! AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAA
he didn't have any movement, he had a good hover, he was messing around with his collective, he should of reduce pitch as soon as he made contact with the ground. must have got into a habit of ground checking, increasing the collective on ground floor to see if the aircraft is definitely on the ground. he clearly had all the references he needed. just a shook novice. you can see he had no tail control, when he was landing he would start to spin, naturally making him increase collective.
probably tailwind from the null zone of the blades
Be committed!
a crazy pilot
He had ground resonance due to the back corner of his skid hitting the ground first. His instinct was correct to pick up the craft, stabilize, then touchdown again
its a semi rigid rotor system... can't get ground resonance.
@@jakeflyheli Thank you, I learned something new, so the day is not wasted.
@@cjhodgson3000 I love that. You should patent that saying. So polite and yet sarcastic.
@@rockridgewoodshop Thank you, but I likely heard that somewhere and I liked it too. No sarcasm was intended, I really do feel a day is not complete unless I learn something.
This was not a dynamic roll over. This was a rotor rpm decay.
Alt + F4 fixes that for me.
Ground effect and to close to the hanger could have contributed to this behavior.
Clueless ditz could have contributed as well.
David Wiebe is a misogynist truly clueless idiot.
Winds blowing over the top of the building creating turbulence...
inexperience, you can see that this pilot is behind the machine. Tail rotor inputs are way behind collective inputs. Skid touches hard on the pad and the pilot over reacts pulling up. Easily lands on the soft grass. Every student has a day this, maybe more than a few. Go try it for yourself if you doubt it.
Ah the armchair experts all full of knowledge I'd like to see you all do it for the first time
That was no where near her first time.
Andrew Mccluskey don’t antagonise them, they might challenge you to one of their simulator battles 😂😝
solo=cg slightly aft=aft skids touch first=pilot gets scared, poops a little and yanks up on collective
This is the right answer for anyone wondering. Just a new pilot not used to setting down the rear of the skids before the front of the skids.
The day of my solo the instructor was rushed and I'll as always. Flew one pattern with him then told to fly 3 after dropping him off and return to class. At 131 pounds it didn't want to come down as I entered my approach. Overshot maybe 50ft
.lucky I didn't get into trouble being outta balance like I was
Inexperience trying to land on the pad. Same caused the crash at Palomar airport and killed two people..
So close yet so far away!🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁
This lookes more like he was practicing a soft landing