@@g4l4dr14n The funny thing is i play BOTH Necrons and Space Marines. I just accept that they look similar. The only time I complain about it is with Blood Angels only models. They should look different from standard Space Marines and now they don't.
@@JohnathanJWellsIntercessors look like Infiltrators look like Hellblasters look like ... and then you paint em all in the same colour ... Heck even Star Wars got more creative with their Stormtrooper-designs 😂
I just don't think you are in the target audience for what Eldar designs are going for. And thats ok! Not everyone has to like every design direction. Personally these models knocked it out of the park, and were 100% what I was hoping for in new eldar minis.
Yeah, but that's just taste, yeah? I drool over huge panels of plain white on the same Tau mech in small, medium, venti, and grande, but Eldar is boring to me. You do you!
Jay, I’m going to say this because I love you. Your painting and kitbashing skills are amazing. Your opinions on factions that aren’t space marines needs some work.
I love you Jay, but it is WILD that a guy who’s currently doing a series where he paints Every. Single. Colour. Of Space Marine (whose entire schtick is they’re the exact same guy, different colour, slightly different gun, that’ll be £50 please), is now dunking on Eldar for doing the same thing but arguably in a cooler way. WIIIILD takes here Jay.
I feel like the exact argument can be used against space marines though. They are just a tactical squad with some fancy bits added on. So saying they are just guardians with extra bits is kinda the point?
Yeah but it makes sense that space marines look similar. Their whole thing is being a rank and file army based in rigid organization. Not so with the eldar
@@gangrenemccluster7680But it does make sense? Craftworld Eldar are following a Path and practice restraint and self-control after the Fall. Fancier-looking Eldar design is generally for Drukhari, Corsairs and Harlequins.
@gangrenemccluster7680 marines are boring, cool at their core but it's just marines, fancier marines, and marines poking heads out of vehicles. Oh, and different colors to represent "different" armies. Marines are basically so cool we got a lot of it and as a result are bland outside the handful of chapter unique options each one has.
@@h.walker1332 Dont I? Space marines aren't supposed to look different regardless of role. Eldar aspects are wildly different from each other though, that's the point
I dunno, I kind of love the new style. Great characters like Greymane Fangpelt, Peltfur Greyhowl, Fangmane Howlfur, Manefang Furhowl, and of course the legendary Howlhowl Howlhowl and his wicked axe Fangfang
Sorry Jay, but I think you are completely off base in regards to the new Aeldari minis. There's been a growing complaint about minis getting too busy with too many fiddly little things on them to paint, especially with troop models where players will be painting lots of them. Basic troops are supposed to be just that, basic. Save the special levels of detail and bits for the important models like leaders and heroes. It helps them stand out from the basic troops that they will be leading.
That is, I’m gonna be honest, one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen for the new Eldar. It’s something their player base has wanted for so long, and just saying “nah, GW should just make new stuff” is the wrong perspective here.
Sorry Jay, this is not the right take. If we get experimentation, we get blood angels. The new Eldar is the best range update we've had in a long time. Their design was perfect when Jes Goodwin first made them. All they needed was to have crisp detailed plastic sculpts.
I'd argue that the only things that need a update design wise really are the Viper and the War Walker (The long oop forgeworld variant called the Wasp was better imo), never been too keen on either of those.
@@Skelebob-sp7pn This may be a hot take - but IMHO the war walker should be a piloted bio-mechanical guardian (differing to the bio-psykana wraith constructs). They should all have running/strafing poses and wield snub-nosed heavy weapons like dual pistols. I'd buy that.
Jay when he looks at these updated aspect warriors (which are just updates of the old models): 🤢🤢🤢 Jay when he looks at the new howling banshees (which are just updates of the old models): 😍😍😍
I get what you're coming from but I think the Eldar aesthetics that Jes Goodwin defined in the late 80s and early 90s is flawless, and getting a refresh honoring and mimicking that is everything I've been wanting since for ever. GW _did_ try to revamp their looks 20 years ago but it was so bad that no-one ever talks about it today, which is hilarious in itself.
Absolutely this. Of everything GW has ever produced, the Eldar are probably the one thing that was perfect design from the get go. They don't get updated because the models just don't need a redesign beyond a change of material.
@@Redhawk_CS I was thinking about the 3rd edition Eldar models, not designed by Jes Goodwin. My recollection was off and they seem to have been released in the 98-99 time frame.
The aeldari warlocks are some of the coolest models on 40k, but it's okay Jay. You have a right to be wrong 😂 Also, the design team really nailed the eldar. Every model shown is perfect.
Terrible takes - imagine saying the new scout bikers are bad. Saying the fire dragons should have more 'dragon', or the swooping hawks to have more 'hawk', is basically asking for the space wolves treatment with those dumb wolf helmets
This comment section is incredible it’s like 94% people respectfully disagreeing with Jay and 6% everything else. The new aspect warriors are perfect btw 🤫
@@SurvivingAddiction maybe, maybe not. this isn't rage bait. or maybe it is, who cares? he has a criticism, but it is simply directed at the wrong target. no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater
As an Eldar player I have to say that GW did the exact right thing by bringing the old timeless designs to the present. It's what a majority of Eldar players wanted. Hard disagree on your critical takes here. But that's okay :)
Personally I wouldn't want Eldar being more like Jay is asking for. Sometimes less is more. They're Eldar. Warriors taking inspiration for ways to be more perfect warriors. They're not cosplaying as things/animals and trying to make those costumes work on the battlefield.
I didn't like the Eldar when I first got introduced to 40k but they are really growing on me, with all the bones and ghosts in stones they actually are pretty metal. Also, the more I paint, the more I really want simple models that aren't full of tiny details and a million crucifixes, pouches and miniature shrines everywhere I HAVE to paint. The sleep design really fits them, so I actually hope GW doesn't add that more detail to newer kits
I really like how truely alien the eldar can be, just like necrons they are some ancient advanced race but where necron tech is still recognizable as tech with wires and mechanical joints eldar stuff seems completely different and alien with eyeless mechs being made out of bone and powered by ghosts
Love you Jay, but I think you have completely misunderstood the point of this Eldar refresh. The Phoenix lords are basically primarchs, so of course their foot soldiers are gonna be kinda basic... I'm glad they look like higher resolution versions of the old ones. I don't think they are boring at all. I mean, space marines are literally all the same with a different gun...
Jay I’m sorry but I disagree with you here. In your video where you went over the black templar new models you said you were glad that they were faithful to the old models. why isn’t that the case here? I would say it’s more important for the eldar because they get new sculpts every 20 years as opposed to space marines who get theirs every edition.
It seems like Jay just doesn’t like eldar. That’s fine, but it seems like he’s just criticizing the whole aesthetic of the eldar. I know eldar players have been wanting this for a long time so it’s a bit feels bad that he’s criticizing them. BTW I’m not an eldar player myself
I'm just going to disagree with you on the Eldar design, they are exactly what Eldar needed. Jess Goodwin's designs are amazing they have stood the test of time. Also I'm gonna bring up the new terminators as they are prime example of good update where the only thing needed was small-ish update to bring them to right spot Besides all arguments made here can be leveled against marines and they would even more accurate.
Eldars are too stuck on the past ??????? for the love of god Jay XD that is their whole deal, dont take that away. I really love when new minis follow the same design philosophy as their predecesors as an homage. Tottally desagree here. These new models are great.
I have to disagree here, this is exactly what I have wanted for decades- what I imagined the minatures looked like when I was a kid. I wanted modern versions of old minis, nothing new or fancy until the foundations are set. Now that almost everything is right with the Eldar range, I do hope they will then get more creative (eg Exodites), but I wanted the basics to be proper first
since you don't seem aware: the Craftworld Aeldar are aescetics. They live lives of denial and abstinence to not fall to She Who Thirsts. Their entire "army" is citizen soldiers backed up by specialists with unique equipment provided by the aspect temples.
Warp Spider Exarch is actually female, the second female Phoenix Lord. She's a badass Black Widow. "Lhykis, the Whispering Web, Phoenix Lord of the Warp Spiders, armed with her unique, four-armed Phoenix Armour and the crackling power sword Vhattarkan, also known as Weaverender, " I think the similarities are in order to tie them together as a faction, with so many colours and themes they need and aesthetic to unite them, in their technology and in their fluff (i.e. wraithbone armour). Also from a painting perspective, troops being too busy can be hell to get through. Some uniformity can be useful painting large amounts of models too. I do agree that the exarchs could have even more elaboration on their armour since they are supposed to be covered in spirit stones and the amalgamation of many warriors stuck on the path. But the regular warriors are just there for their time on the path and so similarity with their guardian equipment makes sense. Thanks for the review
One of the worst takes ive seen in a long, long time 😂 “ just dudes in robes “ is hilarious. Also stating “Aspect warriors don’t make sense at all” just shows how little you know about Eldar, which is sad given how big this channel is.
@ It isn’t just my opinion though, is it? If you could read you’d see that every other comment on this video is agreeing with me. So, surprisingly, not just my opinion 🤯
@@SmN67_ Yeah that’s his opinion. You have an opinion and happens to be the same opinion as others in this comment section. Congrats. But guess what. It’s still just an opinion so chill out. Here’s another opinion. You sound like a pretentious petty dweeb. “Just shows how little you know about the Eldar.” Okay Mr. Eldar scholar. It’s just a game and made up stories. People can interpret them however they want. Go cry in a corner because some guy doesn’t like how your pointy eared friends dress.
The swooping hawks would be so much better if they didn't all "fly" by having tippy toes on the base. I've seen it so much from GW lately and it's so bad looking imo. Unironically, give them flying stands instead
I love the way you get to the end of the warp spider section then nail all the good reasons the design team used to inform thier decisions and why the Exarchs and Pheonix lords look great, and if you made everyone else fancier then they wouldn't be special, also i don't have 1 million hours to paint an extra 9 super fancy guys, who have 1 wound.
Long story short...J apparently loves models that are busy. Just jam packed with fiddly bits. These Eldar are not busy enough for him. They do not have an annoyingly overabundance of themed detail.
I think the reason they're not really changing the design is because people have gotten so used to the old design they wont like change. Remember how mad people were over primaris, cotaz and sanguanry guard. Also dont fix what isnt broken.
I'd agree on the primaris. The increase in size and different models looks much better to me, but with the inquisitor I feel a better pose would've had less complaints. Sanguarny guard aside from wings I'll admit I'm not too familiar with the old kit to offer up a point.
The craftworld Eldar and the Dark Eldar are supposed to be wrapped mirrors of each other, If one is F'ed up and twisted the other will be more normal and modest. Also the regular dudes should look like just regular dudes compared to the Heroes.
As someone who doesn't like eldar, inthonk you also just dont like Eldar. The epic heroes are ofc really cool, so they stand out. But if you dont like the regular troops, then you don't like the army.
the level of "why can't my drukhari get the same love as 30 year old Eldar models!" is pretty prevalent here :) keep your nazi marines and leave the space elves alone LOL
I don't think every miniature should be unique at all cost. If you want a clown fest - sure. But the army must be looking "boring" to some degree. Additionally, Aeldari have a lot of unique things if you think about it - all those aspect warriors are super unique.
"Stuck in the past" yet GW could have completely botched Terminators, yet they did them perfectly. Same for updating Tyranids. They were just updated and refreshed, and they didn't hurt was wasn't broken. Yet there was the Blood Angels where GW's designers were updated TOO much and people are still kitbashing AoS's SCE to make their new models look better than what GW wants to initially sell you. And yes, I am team Leagues of Votann needing that "something" to stand out better...or Dwarf-like I dare say.
The Spider guy is the most dope looking new Eldar imo. I think I'm going to probably end up buying a few of those phoenix lords just to paint and have. I didn't see the swooping hawk dude though, he's sick too. I feel like the Eldar are a good example of working within bounds and not screwing it up. We lost so much character from the Blood Angels that seeing these Eldar keep things like their full wings on the Swooping Hawks is a pleasant surprise
Those are definitely opinions that one can have, but I don’t agree at all. Not every model needs to be ridiculously overwrought with wholly unique bits all over the place. I think it’s great to update the old models to new scale and modern design philosophy without re-designing everything from the ground up or just making up wild new versions of things. There is definitely a place for that, and that place is AOS. 😉
So this is what the vast majority of Eldar players wanted. Crisp HD versions of Jes Goodwin’s designs and that’s exactly what we got. If you don’t like this aesthetic, that’s fine, but making cringey changes like adding literal talons to Swooping Hawks would have been a bad move
Dude, Jay. I was so excited to see your take on the new Aeldari, and this video took all the wind out of my sails. These are ALL great upgrades to the original sculpts, which are in some cases over 30 years old. The slow updating to the Phoenix lords and Aspect Warriors has made me, after 25 years playing 40k, actually want to play them I'm finally getting them ready for release day. I love my Drukhari too, they were my first army in 3rd edition in '98/99 and have an ungodly large collection to this day. But it's like comparing Space Marines to Chaos SM. Similarities, but all the specialty units are drastically different. SM very formal and basic, every infantry unit has one of 4 styles. Go into Chaos and every infantry unit is very different.
I dunno what you're complaining about, man. The new Eldar look pretty much exactly what they should look like. My only complaints are the Striking Scorpions should be crouched lower to the ground, and to some extent perhaps the Warp Spiders too, and I much prefer the 3rd Edition Howling Banshee helmets because the new ones look like Mk7 Space Marine helmets with a pointy head and a mane.
Most of the Eldar heavy or large weaponry actually are designed to be lightweight, almost all eldar equipment is made from wraithbone by bone singers. Most of the Eldar armor and gear are designed the same way and only add very specific augmentation to the base armor that the specific “path of the warrior type “ the unit is from. So yes they all wear the same base armor, and that esthetic is what Eldar enthusiasts love, think about it, if you compare a basic space marine with all the different types of space marine armors that have gone through different versions all the way to the new Primaris, they technically still look the same and like you said the just look newer like the 8k rez look lol but still the same boxed up spaceman with tiny pin heads
I actually really like the new Eldar models, and it makes me look forward to the Drukhari release. Seeing how I've been let down with most of the SOB releases for the last year,l how hard is it to give them some sort of calvary or bikes? At least the Eldar look exciting.
I think I know the real reason Jay doesn't gel with new Eldar - can't put candles on them, they move so fast that they'd get blown out. Also, no purity seals, so clearly Jay can't relate. Except for the Exarchs, which I think everyone agrees are all super great sculpts, yes? Which means Jay does have working eyes, but his mind belongs to the Emperor.
I understand what Jay is saying but let me counter, the Eldar have about half the model updates the SM have had and so they haven’t had the time to really get more “crazy” with their models. As updates to old models they look great. I’m also a Space Marine player.
I hear you bashing on the eldar. yet GW has done nothing to really spice up the space marine variety like how you’re saying they should do to the eldar. We always get the same primaris helmet, the same style of armor just a different weapon every time now. GW does not like adding style variety into factions ANYMORE. It seems to be like this sense the release of primaris
It's a tough thing doing a refresh like that, you can either do a more detailed update of the previous models and have people be upset that it looks too plain like the original or do something radical and get some dogwater like the blood angels or fantastic like the new kroot. I think it just depends on the individual models and how their fans perceive them. As far as I can tell most eldar players like how their models look, but just want them more modern looking quality wise, not a huge departure in the design.
I feel like the current space marine and eldar looks aren't leaning into the grimdark and magic elements enough respectively. The individual eldar models don't give you the impression that each of these guys are hundreds of years old and inherently magical, and the space marine models feel too power rangers to me where there should be more grit and fanaticism on display (sanguinary guard)
You are entitled to your opinion, of course, and i can kind of see where you are comming from with it. For me, Eldar are one of the early factions with the strongest visual language (along with SM) Jes Goodwin's early drawings for eldar still stand up to this day. The only things wrong with the minis was the scale and that they where made in the wrong material. So if the design brief was "Jes' eldar were parfect, do that" i am more than fine with it. Its ok to not reinvent the wheel every time they update an army, and its refreshing to see GW can make new models that aren't caked in detail. Also, "its just another flavor of guardians" is an interesting take considering your main army is marines. The take away, as i see it is that Eldar just aren't for you, much the same as Dark eldar aren't for me
I'm sorry Jay, but... This is probably the worst take I've seen you bring (rare as 'bad takes' have been for you, to be fair, but that just makes this one stand out even more). I mean, your core complaint can be summed up as: "They stick to their armies aesthetic in a consistant fashion" - And you want us to think thats a BAD thing? Because it really isn't... You are entitled to your own opinion of course, don't get me wrong - I just think yours is going to be in the minority this time...
At least these are better than the monopose models of old. Used to hate those and loved killing my friends ones from back then. Any major changes will literally change thier aesthetic, a dying race trying to keep to their traditions and thank god these versions are around, can't suddenly have an army of Maugen Ra running around. They look like Eldar, they ARE the Eldar. Each to their own.
HUGE L Take on the eldar stuff Jay. The designs from jess goodwin from the early 90's are incredible, you're trying to reinvent the wheel. Design is perfect just needed and update. Not everything needs to be an overly designed AOS model.
Mr E.O. Battle, I love your videos but complaining about these eldar models for not having enough bitz is crazy. I'm reminded of your thumbnail for the bladeguard veterans (probably my favourite model) complaining that they have too many bitz! Everyone's got different tastes for different models, but I think they really hit the nail on the head with these new eldar. If you want to add a few small hawk or dragon themed bitz, they could easily be kitbashed. I disagree with people in the comments saying GW shouldn't "get creative" because that's how we got the new sanguinary guard; the problem with those models is that they're uncreative and too close to a normal mark 10 space marine rather than being inspired by the past designs, more creativity in those designs would definitely have been a good thing.
Back when the new striking scorpions were revealed I had the same thoughts as Jay. They looked uninspired and bland to me. I totally changed my mind when I painted them though. They look great in person and I adore them each time I see them on the table.
Come on Jay, these models are cool, the basic troops have to look more basic than the exarch and the phoenix lords! I think you are overly critical of them. I love these new models, the new striking scorpion models were cool, and the new ones also cool.
GW cant win, if they make changes, the community is in uproar. If they dont make changes, the community is in uproar. So we end up with them often being in the 'safe' space of glow up rather than an out and out rebuild. I think the new stuff has all be good and its nice to have such variety.
7:12 Asruman looks like the Primaris space marine captain, but is standing on a tactical cathedral ruins. Also the Eldar have giant weapons made of special material so they look big but are made of foam rubber.
Swooping Hawks, Harlequins and IIRC Wap Spiders are all wearing gravity/inertia manipulation gear so their stuff doesn't weigh as much or be so inconvenient.
Counter argument to reimagination: Inquistor Coteaz. It says a lot about the Eldar range that Jes Goodwins original sketches and designs still hold up decades later.
Well a large part of why they all look so similar IS the lore, just like how you don't have an issue with Space Marines all looking 90% the same. Furthermore, Eldar have mastered anti-gravity technology so having a weapon that is as big as you and weighs three times as much is not an issue for them.
The eldar work perfectly well as they are. They need new troop types to keep up with other armies but their style is fine. It is my understanding that Eldar existence is an exercise in restraint and balance and i think their design reflects that. Anything overly ornate would be tempting descent into the decadence that led to Slaanesh. Eldar need a refresh of what was for the classic appeal and then maybe (not likely) we can see some embalishment/expansion such as Craft world specific helmets, new aspects, new guardian troop options, etc.
As an Eldar painter and collector of 15 years, I agree but also disagree. A refresh is what we deserved after nearly waiting 30 years for some of these sculpts so remaking the old sculpts is exactly what I wanted in this range refresh. However, I wish the Eldar also had more of a dynamic pose and I wished they went back to some of the old 2nd edition depictions of them. I wished Dark Reapers had a flag just like the Fire Dragons do, I wished that the Warp Spiders were all in dynamic poses to look like they were emerging from the warp, I wished the Swooping Hawks were actually in a swooping pose, I wished the Striking Scorpions looked like they were about to violently pounce on an enemy and I wished that the Fire Dragons armour all either had a dragon scale motif or a fire motif. With that being said, this release in my eyes was the perfect step forward, but I hope that the next refresh can switch up the poses a bit and perhaps even incorporate more motifs into the Aspect's armour design - 100% agree with what Jay said about the webbing around the old Warp Spider exarch's leg.
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You should do a Miles Morales version of the warp spider exarch
I agree with you jay, they went hard on the pheonix lords and sergents of squads too, but the regular dude are wayyy too plain
Jay: The Eldar armor is too similar to each other
Also Jay: Look at my HUGE Space Marine Army!!
I was just thinking about this
😂😂😂
Or necrons
@@g4l4dr14n The funny thing is i play BOTH Necrons and Space Marines. I just accept that they look similar. The only time I complain about it is with Blood Angels only models. They should look different from standard Space Marines and now they don't.
Agreed
Saying eldar are 'a little too stuck in the past' is unintentionally hilarious.
😂😂😂
So good.
He knows what's he is doing
"That's all they've got is a different color!"
My brother in Christ, you're a Space Marine player
Yeah, and Terminators dont look like Intercessors. Fire Dragons shouldn't look like recolored guardians.
@@JohnathanJWells They don’t. They’re distinct.
And a Black Templar one at that. Black is barely even a color
@@JohnathanJWellsIntercessors look like Infiltrators look like Hellblasters look like ... and then you paint em all in the same colour ... Heck even Star Wars got more creative with their Stormtrooper-designs 😂
@@Bobby3OOO how is black "barely a color" ???
I just don't think you are in the target audience for what Eldar designs are going for.
And thats ok! Not everyone has to like every design direction.
Personally these models knocked it out of the park, and were 100% what I was hoping for in new eldar minis.
I'm sorry Jay,but saying Eldar look boring when you're a Space Marine fanboy is hilarious!!
come now he's a _black templar_ space marine fanboy. they have like... three extra details!
So true, 100's of same figure with different weapons!! New Eldar Doesn't Jimmy his Jams obviously 😂
Yeah, but that's just taste, yeah? I drool over huge panels of plain white on the same Tau mech in small, medium, venti, and grande, but Eldar is boring to me. You do you!
@@originaljoke-y5f that's a BUNCH compared to my new... Sanguinary Guards... 😭
Also he likes the..... war walker?????????
Jay, I’m going to say this because I love you. Your painting and kitbashing skills are amazing. Your opinions on factions that aren’t space marines needs some work.
This is crazy... how old is this bloke? His trashing these new models is brutal. This Video was rage bait.
First time that I disagree hard with you. Eldar players have been waiting for ages for this exact thing.
Of all models he likes, the war walker?
I love you Jay, but it is WILD that a guy who’s currently doing a series where he paints Every. Single. Colour. Of Space Marine (whose entire schtick is they’re the exact same guy, different colour, slightly different gun, that’ll be £50 please), is now dunking on Eldar for doing the same thing but arguably in a cooler way. WIIIILD takes here Jay.
I feel like the exact argument can be used against space marines though. They are just a tactical squad with some fancy bits added on. So saying they are just guardians with extra bits is kinda the point?
Yeah but it makes sense that space marines look similar. Their whole thing is being a rank and file army based in rigid organization. Not so with the eldar
@@gangrenemccluster7680But it does make sense? Craftworld Eldar are following a Path and practice restraint and self-control after the Fall. Fancier-looking Eldar design is generally for Drukhari, Corsairs and Harlequins.
@@gangrenemccluster7680 Don't know much about craft world Eldar do you.
@gangrenemccluster7680 marines are boring, cool at their core but it's just marines, fancier marines, and marines poking heads out of vehicles. Oh, and different colors to represent "different" armies. Marines are basically so cool we got a lot of it and as a result are bland outside the handful of chapter unique options each one has.
@@h.walker1332 Dont I? Space marines aren't supposed to look different regardless of role. Eldar aspects are wildly different from each other though, that's the point
Jay's mentality is what turned space wolves from Viking marines with some wolf aesthetics to the WULF WULF WULF marines they are now
As someone who hates vikings and space wolves, i was filled with delight when space yiffs went full cringe
I dunno, I kind of love the new style. Great characters like Greymane Fangpelt, Peltfur Greyhowl, Fangmane Howlfur, Manefang Furhowl, and of course the legendary Howlhowl Howlhowl and his wicked axe Fangfang
Sorry Jay, but I think you are completely off base in regards to the new Aeldari minis. There's been a growing complaint about minis getting too busy with too many fiddly little things on them to paint, especially with troop models where players will be painting lots of them. Basic troops are supposed to be just that, basic. Save the special levels of detail and bits for the important models like leaders and heroes. It helps them stand out from the basic troops that they will be leading.
Totally agree.
Dude is dense and is a SM fanboy.
@@SurvivingAddiction he means well.
That is, I’m gonna be honest, one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen for the new Eldar. It’s something their player base has wanted for so long, and just saying “nah, GW should just make new stuff” is the wrong perspective here.
As someone who doesn't play Aeldari, his take is so bad it hurt *my* feelings.
J’s opinions are the worst 😂 I just come here because he’s a talented artists and his creativity deserves to be noticed.
I'm on Jay's side.
Jays the guy who will cream over a HD remastered space marine then complain when the elder get the same treatment 😂
Yeah... He's core complaint can be summed up as: "They stick to their armies aesthetic in a consistant fashion"... But thats a GOOD thing!
Sorry Jay, this is not the right take. If we get experimentation, we get blood angels. The new Eldar is the best range update we've had in a long time. Their design was perfect when Jes Goodwin first made them. All they needed was to have crisp detailed plastic sculpts.
Spot on
You think they experimented with blood angels? Seems like they just hit copy and paste on intercessors.
I'd argue that the only things that need a update design wise really are the Viper and the War Walker (The long oop forgeworld variant called the Wasp was better imo), never been too keen on either of those.
@@Skelebob-sp7pn This may be a hot take - but IMHO the war walker should be a piloted bio-mechanical guardian (differing to the bio-psykana wraith constructs). They should all have running/strafing poses and wield snub-nosed heavy weapons like dual pistols. I'd buy that.
@@JeiDamani That's a pretty cool idea
What's funny about this take is that hes saying theyre too samey, when he has a shit ton of space marines. Its ironic as hell
Most people don't seem to be aware that the Phoenix Lord of the Warp Spiders is a woman
Ye lol despite the text going along with her xD
And this matters because?
@@Malthus Female custodes seemed to matter alot
Really huh, I just thought they were just kind of . . . Part of a god.
@@The.Raxing I cant see problems with her, as a matter a fact I want to get her so much but female custodes yes, I have problems with it.
Jay when he looks at these updated aspect warriors (which are just updates of the old models): 🤢🤢🤢
Jay when he looks at the new howling banshees (which are just updates of the old models): 😍😍😍
I get what you're coming from but I think the Eldar aesthetics that Jes Goodwin defined in the late 80s and early 90s is flawless, and getting a refresh honoring and mimicking that is everything I've been wanting since for ever. GW _did_ try to revamp their looks 20 years ago but it was so bad that no-one ever talks about it today, which is hilarious in itself.
Absolutely this. Of everything GW has ever produced, the Eldar are probably the one thing that was perfect design from the get go. They don't get updated because the models just don't need a redesign beyond a change of material.
Only the OGs get this. These models are a work of art.
Jes makes amazing stuff and it is pretty cool to see the new sculpts for the models emulate his work well.
What was the 20 year old revamp? 2004 models?
@@Redhawk_CS I was thinking about the 3rd edition Eldar models, not designed by Jes Goodwin. My recollection was off and they seem to have been released in the 98-99 time frame.
Mon-keigh shares his ( incorrect ) opinions on a superior species
The aeldari warlocks are some of the coolest models on 40k, but it's okay Jay. You have a right to be wrong 😂
Also, the design team really nailed the eldar. Every model shown is perfect.
To be fair his favorite model is the walker, you know the worst model in the range. (Yes including the Phoenix that has not been updated)
@@1inimilian567 the worst model is the new Maugan Ra, but the Walker is prob 2nd lol.
@1inimilian567 I don't know, I think the war walker looks awesome too
@@BaronMilkington i mean, i love the new Maugan Ra, but i can see why people don't
@@1inimilian567 I'm never sure whether that's his actual opinion or he's trolling for comments.
Terrible takes - imagine saying the new scout bikers are bad. Saying the fire dragons should have more 'dragon', or the swooping hawks to have more 'hawk', is basically asking for the space wolves treatment with those dumb wolf helmets
The new Eldar minis are absolutely peak, very excited for the release!
This proxyhammer fellow knows what’s up.
@@FeatsDaily ;)
This comment section is incredible it’s like 94% people respectfully disagreeing with Jay and 6% everything else. The new aspect warriors are perfect btw 🤫
Thats because its a rage bait video. Hes a youtuber who wants fews and interaction. Hes long gone from the hobby, after his stack now.
@@SurvivingAddiction maybe, maybe not. this isn't rage bait. or maybe it is, who cares? he has a criticism, but it is simply directed at the wrong target. no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater
"Why do the Eldar still exist when they seem a lot lamer than the other factions"
Jesse what the f are you talking about
Yeah Jesus Christ what was that?
Craftworld Eldar are by far my favorite faction. No other faction comes close.
Rare Jay L. The new Eldar look awesome!
Agreed, but the Ls aren't really that rare 😂 jokes aside, it's all subjective, he's entitled to be wrong about the eldar
its funny bc half of space marines range its just intercessors with different weapons
It was a rage bait video.
As an Eldar player I have to say that GW did the exact right thing by bringing the old timeless designs to the present. It's what a majority of Eldar players wanted.
Hard disagree on your critical takes here. But that's okay :)
Personally I wouldn't want Eldar being more like Jay is asking for. Sometimes less is more. They're Eldar. Warriors taking inspiration for ways to be more perfect warriors. They're not cosplaying as things/animals and trying to make those costumes work on the battlefield.
yeah agreed. I don't want the eldar to turn into a bunch of fursonas
Jay: These models look too much like the old models
Also Jay: These other models don't look enough like the old models.
I didn't like the Eldar when I first got introduced to 40k but they are really growing on me, with all the bones and ghosts in stones they actually are pretty metal. Also, the more I paint, the more I really want simple models that aren't full of tiny details and a million crucifixes, pouches and miniature shrines everywhere I HAVE to paint. The sleep design really fits them, so I actually hope GW doesn't add that more detail to newer kits
*sleek design, sorry xD
I really like how truely alien the eldar can be, just like necrons they are some ancient advanced race but where necron tech is still recognizable as tech with wires and mechanical joints eldar stuff seems completely different and alien with eyeless mechs being made out of bone and powered by ghosts
Love you Jay, but I think you have completely misunderstood the point of this Eldar refresh. The Phoenix lords are basically primarchs, so of course their foot soldiers are gonna be kinda basic... I'm glad they look like higher resolution versions of the old ones. I don't think they are boring at all. I mean, space marines are literally all the same with a different gun...
Jay I’m sorry but I disagree with you here. In your video where you went over the black templar new models you said you were glad that they were faithful to the old models. why isn’t that the case here? I would say it’s more important for the eldar because they get new sculpts every 20 years as opposed to space marines who get theirs every edition.
Its a rage bait video. Hes a you tuber wanting clicks. These models are perfect from the OG art.
It seems like Jay just doesn’t like eldar. That’s fine, but it seems like he’s just criticizing the whole aesthetic of the eldar. I know eldar players have been wanting this for a long time so it’s a bit feels bad that he’s criticizing them. BTW I’m not an eldar player myself
I'm just going to disagree with you on the Eldar design, they are exactly what Eldar needed. Jess Goodwin's designs are amazing they have stood the test of time.
Also I'm gonna bring up the new terminators as they are prime example of good update where the only thing needed was small-ish update to bring them to right spot
Besides all arguments made here can be leveled against marines and they would even more accurate.
Eldars are too stuck on the past ??????? for the love of god Jay XD that is their whole deal, dont take that away. I really love when new minis follow the same design philosophy as their predecesors as an homage. Tottally desagree here. These new models are great.
I’m sorry Jay but this is the worst opinion I’ve heard about the new Eldar they desperately needed a range refresh
I have to disagree here, this is exactly what I have wanted for decades- what I imagined the minatures looked like when I was a kid. I wanted modern versions of old minis, nothing new or fancy until the foundations are set. Now that almost everything is right with the Eldar range, I do hope they will then get more creative (eg Exodites), but I wanted the basics to be proper first
I'll take correct over blood angles flop-tier
they literally budget cut my faction😭, these are bespoke compared to them.
@@GamingMafia_id I'm so sorry ;w ;
I realy like Jay. But here I completely disagree.
There armor is all the same and it’s boring… only difference is the weapons
Ummmm has Jay seen space marines?
The Eldar are gorgeous
Remember that Eldar's name are name given by the Imperium, it's not how they call themself.
Jay have the same arguments against Eldar that I have against Space Marines. Interesting.
The Space Marines all the same but different colors! 😉
since you don't seem aware: the Craftworld Aeldar are aescetics. They live lives of denial and abstinence to not fall to She Who Thirsts. Their entire "army" is citizen soldiers backed up by specialists with unique equipment provided by the aspect temples.
New Stuff Just Because is how marines lost their treads. Now the tanks float. The goober is STRONG with hover tanks.
Tbh I like to have both options, anti-grav Imperium vehicles always were a part of the setting.
Saying Eldar models look to similar while playing Space Marines is WILD.
Simple rage bait by a youtuber. Hes dumb.
I don't think he's dumb or rage baiting, I just think it's a silly opinion.
Warp Spider Exarch is actually female, the second female Phoenix Lord. She's a badass Black Widow. "Lhykis, the Whispering Web, Phoenix Lord of the Warp Spiders, armed with her unique, four-armed Phoenix Armour and the crackling power sword Vhattarkan, also known as Weaverender, "
I think the similarities are in order to tie them together as a faction, with so many colours and themes they need and aesthetic to unite them, in their technology and in their fluff (i.e. wraithbone armour). Also from a painting perspective, troops being too busy can be hell to get through. Some uniformity can be useful painting large amounts of models too. I do agree that the exarchs could have even more elaboration on their armour since they are supposed to be covered in spirit stones and the amalgamation of many warriors stuck on the path. But the regular warriors are just there for their time on the path and so similarity with their guardian equipment makes sense.
Thanks for the review
I can tolerate the slander, but saying the War Walker looks good? Oh you’ve done it…
The ozempic AT-ST is iconic! First model I owned that magnetizing wasn't just in the cards but absolutely necessary.
Aren't jump pack Marines just regular space marines, but they have two turbines attached to their backpacks?
I feel like you have completely missed the point of how the Eldar work on this one.
40k ripping itself off would still result in 40k ripping other people off 😅
Underrated Miniac comment🤣
One of the worst takes ive seen in a long, long time 😂 “ just dudes in robes “ is hilarious. Also stating “Aspect warriors don’t make sense at all” just shows how little you know about Eldar, which is sad given how big this channel is.
Your opinion of his opinion is really just your opinion 🤯
@ It isn’t just my opinion though, is it? If you could read you’d see that every other comment on this video is agreeing with me. So, surprisingly, not just my opinion 🤯
@@SmN67_ Yeah that’s his opinion. You have an opinion and happens to be the same opinion as others in this comment section. Congrats. But guess what. It’s still just an opinion so chill out. Here’s another opinion. You sound like a pretentious petty dweeb. “Just shows how little you know about the Eldar.” Okay Mr. Eldar scholar. It’s just a game and made up stories. People can interpret them however they want. Go cry in a corner because some guy doesn’t like how your pointy eared friends dress.
8:43 Them ruining the Sanguinary Guard and then doing THIS is incredibly confusing.
Saying every aspect warrior should have the exarch’s gun and or extra arms only takes away from the coolness factor that is the exarch
The swooping hawks would be so much better if they didn't all "fly" by having tippy toes on the base. I've seen it so much from GW lately and it's so bad looking imo. Unironically, give them flying stands instead
I love the way you get to the end of the warp spider section then nail all the good reasons the design team used to inform thier decisions and why the Exarchs and Pheonix lords look great, and if you made everyone else fancier then they wouldn't be special, also i don't have 1 million hours to paint an extra 9 super fancy guys, who have 1 wound.
Long story short...J apparently loves models that are busy. Just jam packed with fiddly bits. These Eldar are not busy enough for him. They do not have an annoyingly overabundance of themed detail.
I think the reason they're not really changing the design is because people have gotten so used to the old design they wont like change. Remember how mad people were over primaris, cotaz and sanguanry guard.
Also dont fix what isnt broken.
I'd agree on the primaris. The increase in size and different models looks much better to me, but with the inquisitor I feel a better pose would've had less complaints. Sanguarny guard aside from wings I'll admit I'm not too familiar with the old kit to offer up a point.
So an eldar army shouldn't have a cohesive look to them? But other armies can?
The craftworld Eldar and the Dark Eldar are supposed to be wrapped mirrors of each other, If one is F'ed up and twisted the other will be more normal and modest. Also the regular dudes should look like just regular dudes compared to the Heroes.
Disappointing to hear your take on the eldar. They actually look amazing and will probabaly start an eldar army because of the refresh!
Yes, Jay, they needed to look like the old models.
Otherwise actual Eldar players would have rioted.
Stick to cleansing the universe of Xenos...
She* is the warp spider. She*
As someone who doesn't like eldar, inthonk you also just dont like Eldar. The epic heroes are ofc really cool, so they stand out. But if you dont like the regular troops, then you don't like the army.
the level of "why can't my drukhari get the same love as 30 year old Eldar models!" is pretty prevalent here :) keep your nazi marines and leave the space elves alone LOL
I don't think every miniature should be unique at all cost. If you want a clown fest - sure. But the army must be looking "boring" to some degree. Additionally, Aeldari have a lot of unique things if you think about it - all those aspect warriors are super unique.
We have clowns too if that's your thing 🤡
The Eldar models look like... *gasp* Eldar models?!
"Stuck in the past" yet GW could have completely botched Terminators, yet they did them perfectly. Same for updating Tyranids. They were just updated and refreshed, and they didn't hurt was wasn't broken. Yet there was the Blood Angels where GW's designers were updated TOO much and people are still kitbashing AoS's SCE to make their new models look better than what GW wants to initially sell you. And yes, I am team Leagues of Votann needing that "something" to stand out better...or Dwarf-like I dare say.
They didn't update shit on blood angels, more like downgrade. It's frustrating.
Damn. Jay getting torn apart in the comments here
The Spider guy is the most dope looking new Eldar imo. I think I'm going to probably end up buying a few of those phoenix lords just to paint and have. I didn't see the swooping hawk dude though, he's sick too. I feel like the Eldar are a good example of working within bounds and not screwing it up. We lost so much character from the Blood Angels that seeing these Eldar keep things like their full wings on the Swooping Hawks is a pleasant surprise
Those are definitely opinions that one can have, but I don’t agree at all. Not every model needs to be ridiculously overwrought with wholly unique bits all over the place. I think it’s great to update the old models to new scale and modern design philosophy without re-designing everything from the ground up or just making up wild new versions of things. There is definitely a place for that, and that place is AOS. 😉
So this is what the vast majority of Eldar players wanted. Crisp HD versions of Jes Goodwin’s designs and that’s exactly what we got.
If you don’t like this aesthetic, that’s fine, but making cringey changes like adding literal talons to Swooping Hawks would have been a bad move
Dude, Jay. I was so excited to see your take on the new Aeldari, and this video took all the wind out of my sails. These are ALL great upgrades to the original sculpts, which are in some cases over 30 years old. The slow updating to the Phoenix lords and Aspect Warriors has made me, after 25 years playing 40k, actually want to play them I'm finally getting them ready for release day.
I love my Drukhari too, they were my first army in 3rd edition in '98/99 and have an ungodly large collection to this day. But it's like comparing Space Marines to Chaos SM. Similarities, but all the specialty units are drastically different. SM very formal and basic, every infantry unit has one of 4 styles. Go into Chaos and every infantry unit is very different.
Jay, many of the Eldar uniforms are OLDER than the Imperium.
They aren't Supposed to change...
I dunno what you're complaining about, man. The new Eldar look pretty much exactly what they should look like. My only complaints are the Striking Scorpions should be crouched lower to the ground, and to some extent perhaps the Warp Spiders too, and I much prefer the 3rd Edition Howling Banshee helmets because the new ones look like Mk7 Space Marine helmets with a pointy head and a mane.
Most of the Eldar heavy or large weaponry actually are designed to be lightweight, almost all eldar equipment is made from wraithbone by bone singers. Most of the Eldar armor and gear are designed the same way and only add very specific augmentation to the base armor that the specific “path of the warrior type “ the unit is from. So yes they all wear the same base armor, and that esthetic is what Eldar enthusiasts love, think about it, if you compare a basic space marine with all the different types of space marine armors that have gone through different versions all the way to the new Primaris, they technically still look the same and like you said the just look newer like the 8k rez look lol but still the same boxed up spaceman with tiny pin heads
Asuremen isn't just the first Dire Avenger. He's the first Phoenix lord and the whole reason Eldar have the path system.
If I was going to build a war walker I'd mod it to have a windshield wiper.
I actually really like the new Eldar models, and it makes me look forward to the Drukhari release. Seeing how I've been let down with most of the SOB releases for the last year,l how hard is it to give them some sort of calvary or bikes? At least the Eldar look exciting.
I think I know the real reason Jay doesn't gel with new Eldar - can't put candles on them, they move so fast that they'd get blown out.
Also, no purity seals, so clearly Jay can't relate.
Except for the Exarchs, which I think everyone agrees are all super great sculpts, yes? Which means Jay does have working eyes, but his mind belongs to the Emperor.
I understand what Jay is saying but let me counter, the Eldar have about half the model updates the SM have had and so they haven’t had the time to really get more “crazy” with their models. As updates to old models they look great. I’m also a Space Marine player.
I hear you bashing on the eldar. yet GW has done nothing to really spice up the space marine variety like how you’re saying they should do to the eldar.
We always get the same primaris helmet, the same style of armor just a different weapon every time now. GW does not like adding style variety into factions ANYMORE. It seems to be like this sense the release of primaris
It's a tough thing doing a refresh like that, you can either do a more detailed update of the previous models and have people be upset that it looks too plain like the original or do something radical and get some dogwater like the blood angels or fantastic like the new kroot. I think it just depends on the individual models and how their fans perceive them. As far as I can tell most eldar players like how their models look, but just want them more modern looking quality wise, not a huge departure in the design.
If I did Eldar, it would be a Windrider army. Jetbikes and tanks.
I feel like the current space marine and eldar looks aren't leaning into the grimdark and magic elements enough respectively. The individual eldar models don't give you the impression that each of these guys are hundreds of years old and inherently magical, and the space marine models feel too power rangers to me where there should be more grit and fanaticism on display (sanguinary guard)
I even had to buy old kits just to put the dark in ma angles!
You are entitled to your opinion, of course, and i can kind of see where you are comming from with it.
For me, Eldar are one of the early factions with the strongest visual language (along with SM) Jes Goodwin's early drawings for eldar still stand up to this day. The only things wrong with the minis was the scale and that they where made in the wrong material.
So if the design brief was "Jes' eldar were parfect, do that" i am more than fine with it.
Its ok to not reinvent the wheel every time they update an army, and its refreshing to see GW can make new models that aren't caked in detail.
Also, "its just another flavor of guardians" is an interesting take considering your main army is marines.
The take away, as i see it is that Eldar just aren't for you, much the same as Dark eldar aren't for me
I'm sorry Jay, but... This is probably the worst take I've seen you bring (rare as 'bad takes' have been for you, to be fair, but that just makes this one stand out even more). I mean, your core complaint can be summed up as: "They stick to their armies aesthetic in a consistant fashion" - And you want us to think thats a BAD thing? Because it really isn't...
You are entitled to your own opinion of course, don't get me wrong - I just think yours is going to be in the minority this time...
Ulthwe is black and bone but it's thr White and Green Biel Tan that have a thorny vine pattern
At least these are better than the monopose models of old. Used to hate those and loved killing my friends ones from back then.
Any major changes will literally change thier aesthetic, a dying race trying to keep to their traditions and thank god these versions are around, can't suddenly have an army of Maugen Ra running around.
They look like Eldar, they ARE the Eldar.
Each to their own.
A space marine player, bemoaning lack of character across an army 🫠😂😂😂
HUGE L Take on the eldar stuff Jay. The designs from jess goodwin from the early 90's are incredible, you're trying to reinvent the wheel. Design is perfect just needed and update. Not everything needs to be an overly designed AOS model.
Mr E.O. Battle, I love your videos but complaining about these eldar models for not having enough bitz is crazy. I'm reminded of your thumbnail for the bladeguard veterans (probably my favourite model) complaining that they have too many bitz!
Everyone's got different tastes for different models, but I think they really hit the nail on the head with these new eldar. If you want to add a few small hawk or dragon themed bitz, they could easily be kitbashed.
I disagree with people in the comments saying GW shouldn't "get creative" because that's how we got the new sanguinary guard; the problem with those models is that they're uncreative and too close to a normal mark 10 space marine rather than being inspired by the past designs, more creativity in those designs would definitely have been a good thing.
Back when the new striking scorpions were revealed I had the same thoughts as Jay. They looked uninspired and bland to me. I totally changed my mind when I painted them though. They look great in person and I adore them each time I see them on the table.
I completely dissagree, the new models look great. They are a fine glow up and hold true to the original Jess Goodwin designs.
Come on Jay, these models are cool, the basic troops have to look more basic than the exarch and the phoenix lords! I think you are overly critical of them. I love these new models, the new striking scorpion models were cool, and the new ones also cool.
GW cant win, if they make changes, the community is in uproar. If they dont make changes, the community is in uproar. So we end up with them often being in the 'safe' space of glow up rather than an out and out rebuild. I think the new stuff has all be good and its nice to have such variety.
i mean, i think they won with eldar refresh as you can see in the comments
7:12 Asruman looks like the Primaris space marine captain, but is standing on a tactical cathedral ruins. Also the Eldar have giant weapons made of special material so they look big but are made of foam rubber.
Swooping Hawks, Harlequins and IIRC Wap Spiders are all wearing gravity/inertia manipulation gear so their stuff doesn't weigh as much or be so inconvenient.
Counter argument to reimagination: Inquistor Coteaz. It says a lot about the Eldar range that Jes Goodwins original sketches and designs still hold up decades later.
Well a large part of why they all look so similar IS the lore, just like how you don't have an issue with Space Marines all looking 90% the same. Furthermore, Eldar have mastered anti-gravity technology so having a weapon that is as big as you and weighs three times as much is not an issue for them.
The eldar work perfectly well as they are. They need new troop types to keep up with other armies but their style is fine. It is my understanding that Eldar existence is an exercise in restraint and balance and i think their design reflects that. Anything overly ornate would be tempting descent into the decadence that led to Slaanesh.
Eldar need a refresh of what was for the classic appeal and then maybe (not likely) we can see some embalishment/expansion such as Craft world specific helmets, new aspects, new guardian troop options, etc.
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As an Eldar painter and collector of 15 years, I agree but also disagree. A refresh is what we deserved after nearly waiting 30 years for some of these sculpts so remaking the old sculpts is exactly what I wanted in this range refresh. However, I wish the Eldar also had more of a dynamic pose and I wished they went back to some of the old 2nd edition depictions of them. I wished Dark Reapers had a flag just like the Fire Dragons do, I wished that the Warp Spiders were all in dynamic poses to look like they were emerging from the warp, I wished the Swooping Hawks were actually in a swooping pose, I wished the Striking Scorpions looked like they were about to violently pounce on an enemy and I wished that the Fire Dragons armour all either had a dragon scale motif or a fire motif. With that being said, this release in my eyes was the perfect step forward, but I hope that the next refresh can switch up the poses a bit and perhaps even incorporate more motifs into the Aspect's armour design - 100% agree with what Jay said about the webbing around the old Warp Spider exarch's leg.