I highly highly recommend that too! But this is not a review, it's just an overview of some of the features :) I still need to test it a lot more to be able to put out a review, and that type of video will never be sponsored.
I never said it's a review as I don't accept sponsorships for reviews. It's simply an overview of the features, and a non-sponsored review is in the works.
When I started looking at these I was very excited. Then I saw they used fresnel lenses..... If these came with pancake, they'd be able to compete with Q3. I can't see spending that much on a HMD and getting bad lenses.
@@richpeltier9519 I was totally in the same boat before trying it, but fresnel lenses are not inherently bad, and there are ones that are more than decent. Having this type of lens has it’s advantages and drawbacks, but overall I think this is a good headset.
few questions how to use the eye tracking cause i saw you press a button with it but your hands werent toching the headset and why does it show me that the evirement is too dark for the headset to hand track
To use the eyetracking in menus, you need to go in settings and under Beta Features to activate it. For PCVR it can be used for dynamic foveated rendering in games that support it, or even other games using OpenXR Toolkit.
@@VRManCave thanx but how do you press cause blinking does not work and how to use the infra red light its not strong cause i have it enabled but it does not seem to work
It's very comfy but you do need headphones that will have enough space between the headband and your head. The headstrap of the headset is curved so there's nothing on your ear itself.
Haha it's called AirCar, it's more of a free tech demo you can download on steam than a full-on game. You can fly around the city and that's about it. But it's very demanding and great for testing out clarity and performance with new headsets.
Display Port is a Plus. Fresnel lenses ? Instant fail. They just had to use Quest 3 pancakes but they completely muffed what could have been a great contender. This isn't five years ago. Don't HTC engineers keep up with the latest ?
@@regwatson2017 honestly that’s my biggest gripe too, I genuinely don’t know why they went with fresnel, probably to not have to use brighter displays :)
It's not really clear who this headset is for. At this price (and another $149 for the DisplayPort wired streaming kit) it's disappointing to see that it doesn't have pancake lenses and is using such an old chip. It doesn't seem to be much better than a Quest 3 for PCVR. I've seen reviews saying that it's also riddled woth software issues, though I guess those will be ironed out with fixes. It's cheaper than Apple's offering but not as good, and anyone willing to fork out this amount of money is probably already ready to buy Apple.
It's aimed at hardcore VRChat users. You know how many other headsets there are on the market right now which have eye tracking, face tracking, and FBT as officially supported product features? Zero. That's the market its aiming for. And yes, I know there are other ways to get these features. But all of them require discontinued headsets, crafting, and hacks. That limits accessibility to only highly technically savvy and skilled tinkerers. The Vive Focus Vision is unique in having all of these features officially 1st party supported and easy for anyone to use... and with a warranty! The older XR2 CPU isn't really an issue because this is not really a standalone headset in this role. Vive isn't seriously attempting to compete on standalone here. The XR2 is being used for tracking and other ancillary functions. With the dp connection, this is a PCVR headset. I agree about the software issues though. This headset isn't really succeeding in its aims right now. But Vive does seem to be seriously working on it. Will be interesting to see how well it does once they've stabilized it.
@SargonDragon Thanks for the detailed and considered response. I genuinely didn't know that they're were "hard-core VRChat" users, but can see how these feature would appeal to such an audience. I get that it isn't seriously intended as a standalone headset but am still surprised that they went with a chip nearly four years old and with the decision on the lens type given its other PCVR credentials, though I'm admittedly not an expert on the nuances of the lenses. Still, competition is certainly good and especially in this space. I wonder when Valve will get around to their next headset!
@@MrMarcusIndia The displayport bundle is actually free right now as part of their Black Friday sale. Otherwise @SargonDragon absolutely nailed the explanation. Not every headset competes with each other, same as not every phone or computer does. Different headsets for different user bases and interests.
one of the giant issues with pancake lenses is they eat a TREMENDOUS amount of light and require much brighter screens to work. Pancakes look better in every way but they are a a big strain on the system overall.
I never tried to hide that it was sponsored, but I had complete freedom to talk about whatever I wanted. I never accept sponsors if they try to make me say what they want me to say. I've spent years building up trust with my viewers, so I would never jeopardize that for a sponsorship, especially since it's not like I'm this huge channel that makes life changing money from sponsorships. The full review is coming, but I need to test it a lot more to ensure the review is comprehensive.
@@VRManCave I have been using Vive pro 2 for 2 years. 2 weeks ago I have purchased Quest 3 and I love it ! lenses are amazing and mfsm2020 looks amazing via virtual desktop as good as Cristal ! if not better.
I recommend watching non-sponsored reviews of this headset!!!
I highly highly recommend that too! But this is not a review, it's just an overview of some of the features :) I still need to test it a lot more to be able to put out a review, and that type of video will never be sponsored.
"Thanks to HTC for sending this over and sponsoring this video"
Yep, that's me heard enough for an HTC HMD review.
I never said it's a review as I don't accept sponsorships for reviews. It's simply an overview of the features, and a non-sponsored review is in the works.
Yeah he is shilling pretty hard
When I started looking at these I was very excited. Then I saw they used fresnel lenses..... If these came with pancake, they'd be able to compete with Q3. I can't see spending that much on a HMD and getting bad lenses.
@@richpeltier9519 I was totally in the same boat before trying it, but fresnel lenses are not inherently bad, and there are ones that are more than decent. Having this type of lens has it’s advantages and drawbacks, but overall I think this is a good headset.
At least is much better than a PSVR2, that does nothing alone, lacks Mixed Reality and doesn't work without cable
few questions how to use the eye tracking cause i saw you press a button with it but your hands werent toching the headset and why does it show me that the evirement is too dark for the headset to hand track
To use the eyetracking in menus, you need to go in settings and under Beta Features to activate it. For PCVR it can be used for dynamic foveated rendering in games that support it, or even other games using OpenXR Toolkit.
@@VRManCave thanx but how do you press cause blinking does not work and how to use the infra red light its not strong cause i have it enabled but it does not seem to work
How does the pass thru work while watching passthru movies putting you in the movie?
Not sure what you mean with putting you in the movie, but in passthrough you will see a huge floating screen in your room where the movie is playing.
Now can you use the headset with no pc at all is the real question. (Like no pc from the start, like never connecting it first)
Yes you 100% can. It’s also a stand-alone headset that doesn’t require a PC or anything else.
How is it while wearing headphones?
It's very comfy but you do need headphones that will have enough space between the headband and your head. The headstrap of the headset is curved so there's nothing on your ear itself.
can you campare it with quest3
Yes, working on it!
could you test on msfs2020 or 2024
I tested both, works great though it won’t have the best clarity out there due to the lenses.
PROS
+ DisplayPort
+ Optional Wireless
+ Standalone
+ Color Passthrough
+ Eye Tracking and Handtracking
CONS
- Fresnel
- $999
Great option in the market
Thanks for the comment! It would be great as a Twitter post, not sure if you're on the right social media platform :)))
@@VRManCave I genuinely liked the headset dude
@@VRManCave What a great attitude towards your small pool of viewers!
@@ZFCaioIt seems like a headset I would buy, however WHERE ARE MY PANCAKES
If only pico 4 or quest 3 had dp
Clearly, HTC is not back
Well, they are back with a new headset :))
Every headset apart from the og vive / pro is awful I fell for their preorder scam twice and never again
It's becase og vive was developed with valve@@hepticftw
WTF was that G-Police like game you were playing?!!?
Haha it's called AirCar, it's more of a free tech demo you can download on steam than a full-on game. You can fly around the city and that's about it. But it's very demanding and great for testing out clarity and performance with new headsets.
@@VRManCave Downloading...SUBBED!
Yes.... I want the display port
It's so crisp and compression-free that I wonder why not all VR headsets have this feature...
And i thought HTC didn't even exist anymore... Miss my old HTC G1... had such a cool and annoying little trackball on it's big strong chad chin.
@@ferdgerbeler8494 hahaha never tried the G1 or G2, but this pleasantly surprised me. Great set of features and banger build quality.
Display Port is a Plus. Fresnel lenses ? Instant fail. They just had to use Quest 3 pancakes but they completely muffed what could have been a great contender. This isn't five years ago. Don't HTC engineers keep up with the latest ?
@@regwatson2017 honestly that’s my biggest gripe too, I genuinely don’t know why they went with fresnel, probably to not have to use brighter displays :)
@@VRManCave Agreed - Such a wasted opportunity.
Everyone seems to hate HTC and deliberately belittle this product. I bought one and it's not as bad as others said.
Yeah totally agree, it's a good product. Could it have been better? Sure... but that doesn't make it bad.
It's not really clear who this headset is for. At this price (and another $149 for the DisplayPort wired streaming kit) it's disappointing to see that it doesn't have pancake lenses and is using such an old chip. It doesn't seem to be much better than a Quest 3 for PCVR. I've seen reviews saying that it's also riddled woth software issues, though I guess those will be ironed out with fixes.
It's cheaper than Apple's offering but not as good, and anyone willing to fork out this amount of money is probably already ready to buy Apple.
It's aimed at hardcore VRChat users. You know how many other headsets there are on the market right now which have eye tracking, face tracking, and FBT as officially supported product features? Zero. That's the market its aiming for.
And yes, I know there are other ways to get these features. But all of them require discontinued headsets, crafting, and hacks. That limits accessibility to only highly technically savvy and skilled tinkerers. The Vive Focus Vision is unique in having all of these features officially 1st party supported and easy for anyone to use... and with a warranty!
The older XR2 CPU isn't really an issue because this is not really a standalone headset in this role. Vive isn't seriously attempting to compete on standalone here. The XR2 is being used for tracking and other ancillary functions. With the dp connection, this is a PCVR headset.
I agree about the software issues though. This headset isn't really succeeding in its aims right now. But Vive does seem to be seriously working on it. Will be interesting to see how well it does once they've stabilized it.
@SargonDragon
Thanks for the detailed and considered response. I genuinely didn't know that they're were "hard-core VRChat" users, but can see how these feature would appeal to such an audience.
I get that it isn't seriously intended as a standalone headset but am still surprised that they went with a chip nearly four years old and with the decision on the lens type given its other PCVR credentials, though I'm admittedly not an expert on the nuances of the lenses.
Still, competition is certainly good and especially in this space. I wonder when Valve will get around to their next headset!
@@MrMarcusIndia The displayport bundle is actually free right now as part of their Black Friday sale. Otherwise @SargonDragon absolutely nailed the explanation. Not every headset competes with each other, same as not every phone or computer does. Different headsets for different user bases and interests.
@@SargonDragon Amazing explanation there, thanks so much for watching and leaving such a well detailed comment, you're a superstar!
one of the giant issues with pancake lenses is they eat a TREMENDOUS amount of light and require much brighter screens to work.
Pancakes look better in every way but they are a a big strain on the system overall.
Then it is sponsored and you had to agree what to say and film, when can you make a honest review of the system
I never tried to hide that it was sponsored, but I had complete freedom to talk about whatever I wanted. I never accept sponsors if they try to make me say what they want me to say. I've spent years building up trust with my viewers, so I would never jeopardize that for a sponsorship, especially since it's not like I'm this huge channel that makes life changing money from sponsorships. The full review is coming, but I need to test it a lot more to ensure the review is comprehensive.
And shit spiral lessness no thx !
Yeah that’s one of the downsides but honestly they’re some of the better fresnel ones I’ve come across.
@@VRManCave I have been using Vive pro 2 for 2 years. 2 weeks ago I have purchased Quest 3 and I love it ! lenses are amazing and mfsm2020 looks amazing via virtual desktop as good as Cristal ! if not better.
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Thanks for watching!
I am still running VR on RTX 2070 Max-Q so this headset is not for me.
@@marshaltopola5104 I think it should run but yeah you’d need to drop the render resolution quite a bit to get decent framerate.
Its a Brick on your face still lol
It's a very comfy brick. All VR headsets are still relatively large, and the very few ones that aren't have very very big drawbacks.