Man i cant tell you how much i appreciate your honesty of your reviews. Im sick of the glazing from other youtube "archers" on products that were given to them for free and being told not to bad mouth them.!😂😂 Or they are just sponsored all together and do everything but suck them off completely!! 😅
Thank you for watching and for the kind words. I really appreciate the support 🙏. I firmly believe companies should have to earn our money, and if they're going to charge a high price for their product, then it better deliver what it promises. I won't be making any friends in the industry that way, but I think there's a market for no-nonsense reviews. Take care, stay safe and happy hunting 👍
Do I have any interest in the ibex release? None whatsoever. Did I still listen to the entire review front to back? Yes. Yes I did. I’m not sure what it is that I appreciate about these reviews so much. I guess straightforward and brutally honest archery reviews about aspects that really matter while calling out propaganda are just that rare. That and the fact that I feel like I’m getting an excellent archery review from a rather grumpy Zapp Brannigan, which is kind of the best.
Thank you very much. I'm glad you are enjoying my reviews despite not caring about the product getting discussed. I can't say I've ever been described that way, but I'll take it. Zapp was more based than he gets credit for 👍.
Hey man! I am in the market for a handheld thumb button release for hunting. But I am overwhelmed by all of the options on the market. What do you recommend? My local shop only carries the Stan OnneX C.
Another awesome review👍 Hinge for hunting, I’ve done it, it works until it doesn’t. You never know what position you are going to get into in a tree stand. If you pull through the shot like I do you can get into a position where the release won’t fire. If you rotate your release or should I say manipulate your hinge with your hand in some manner you might be ok. My opinion, learn to use a thumb button for hunting and if you can’t, get an index and punch it.😂
Thank you for watching. I agree that thumb releases are more versatile for situations that are less "controlled" and the archer is twisted around or bent into positions in which he is not accustomed. The best way to get around the is to incorporate it into practice, but I doubt most people put enough time behind the string to prepare themselves for every scenario they may encounter.
Hi, love your content, and actually just used your sizing guide, honestly that is the best thing someone has ever done for the archery community, thank you, you're awesome. P.d. i have a suggestion, in the sizing guide it could be beneficial to include a little ruler at the moment of the scan(it can be just 1inch), that way we can cross check after the print if our print dimensions are correct
Thank you for your review. To address some of your concerns. The foam in the case is designed to carry the release initially. Most if not all consumers do not put their release back in the packaging. So the case can be used to carry other items. The thumb peg is truly there for people that feel they need it initially. After you shoot it 50 times you will realize you don’t need the thumb peg. It you are putting enough stress on the thumb peg to bend it then you are not shooting it correctly. This brings us to the statement that you impacted 1 foot left/right compared to your hinge. You seem to be the only person to have this issue from pros, experienced hinge shooters and new hinge shooters….🤷♂️ Which brings us to you want your hinge to work for you not you for it. I’m sure when you switched from an index finger release you didn’t change the way you shoot with a thumb or hinge…🤔 But to each their own. I will agree with you on the lanyard attachment but it does work with D-loop material. We will be making it bigger for paracord. Overall I appreciate your suggestions.
Thank you for checking out my review and responding to some of my suggestions. I'm not terribly concerned about bending the thumb peg attachment piece during normal use, but I can envision the attachment piece becoming warped if the release is dropped and lands on its thumb peg, though I suppose every thumb peg is vulnerable to that. Regardless, the thumb peg isn't really usable after, as you said, the archer realizes it's not needed. I do not expect every release to give me the same impact point as every other release. I was merely reporting on how it performed for me, and how it may perform for others. I should have been less "definitive" when I made that statement. I usually tag it with "YMMV". More often than not a change of release requires a re-sighting in of the bow if it's already sighted in for something else. Jaw position and a myriad of other variables will affect point of impact, and it can affect its ability to be paired with a thumb release (which is becoming a common practice). Suggesting that switching between hinges requires as much form adjustment as switching between different release types is a bit of a strawman. Naturally going from a hinge to an index finger release is going to require an adjustment of the Archery's form, draw and shot execution. Index to Thumb, same thing. Thumb to hinge requires a degree of adjustment somewhere in between. Switching between two different hinges should, technically, require fewer adjustments, and is determined by the adjustment range of the moons/sears and the angles of their heads. Some hinges require even finger pressure across the handle in order to minimize the amount of rotation needed on the handle to lift the head/jaw from its "pinned" position, and if you draw them with a "ring finger forward" angle (as the guy on KifaruCast alluded to during your interview), then more rotation is needed to get the hook to start moving along the sear. These are the ones we hear archers say something to the affect of "no matter how hot I set the sears, it's still too cold". It's because they're drawing with the head pinned and not floating or just barely against the "stopper" that keeps the head from hitting your middle finger. The Ibex falls into this category, and if a prospective archer has a specific way of drawing a hinge, it may be necessary to make adjustments to their form to use it effectively. Other hinges have more aggressively angled heads and can be drawn in a variety of angles and their moons or sears can be set to match. There's literally something for everyone. Many archers will be fine with making changes to their form if the Ibex fits their hand, has an appealing feature set, and they are willing to commit to using it. Others may not like it because it cannot be adjusted to fit their preferred style of draw. I'm sure the phrase "then go buy something else" is now loaded in the chamber. I think you have a nice product and I look forward to seeing how it develops. It's tough breaking into a market that's already pretty saturated, and I hope you are successful. I think I've gone on for long enough. I'll do a follow-up video after I've had more time with it.
I had a passing interest in this release only because of the internal settings adjustment design but Iam glad I have seen this video. The thumb and lanyard attachment design does look pretty pathetic. Having not held one I was curious about the head angle. I am very sure you have saved me from wasting a lot of $. 👍👍
@@timbow50 thank you very much for watching. I'm glad you found the info useful. I think they deserve credit for trying to offer something new to the market, but I find the design insufficient to justify the high price tag. Maybe if it was $100 cheaper I could recommend it, but not $300-350. There are a myriad of better options available for less.
The peg offset threaded mounting hole made the modification possible. The large thumb peg was in the parts bin for a time like this. The Ibex large gets equal play time with the Stan Click having similar ergonomics. I've taken the Ibex out to 92yds. with good results. Non hinge shooting archers now have control of getting off of the commitment to the click. Fearing the click and controlling the click are two different mindsets. The 1st effort of the Ibex Release was open to review. Hands on reviewers gave informative feedback to @EvolutionOutdoors.
Ask the expert... I have a question about the Stan OnneX Clicker. What better resource than you. Today 4/04 the Elkshape channel had a video about 6 mins in where 2 of the guys tried a Stan Onnex clicker. They all talked about a vibration they could feel after the click?? Is that something new?? Or is that something on the current model? I assume it provides a sort of "haptic feedback" during the shot process? Wasn't sure, and never heard of that before. Also didn't know if it was the current model or if it was a freebe from Stan to get Elkshape's feedback on it? Thought you were the perfect person to ask. Also just noticed the brass knuckles hanging on your "wall of releases" 😆
Thanks for watching and thank you for the question. The knuckle duster on the wall is a hinge called a Bernie's Archery Equalizer, and if it fit my hand better I'd be using it all the time. I haven't watched the podcast you mentioned, but I do have two of the early models of Onnex Clicker (one aluminum, one brass) and I don't feel any vibration in either of them after the click and before the hook releases. Both of mine are smooth too the click and then pretty crisp. That said (and I just grabbed mine to check) there is a little "twang" after the trigger is pulled fully and the hook releases. I assume it's the tension spring since it is pretty long and if you unscrew the cap holding it in, you'll see it just sits there with no dampeners around it. That said, I can only feel it when I'm fidgeting with it. At full draw I don't notice it. Not sure if that answered your question, but please let me know if you need any more insight.
Hello. If I had to choose one I would pick the Stanislawski OnneX Clicker. It has a broad range of tensions you can set it from very light to very heavy, you can set it to click or shorten the travel and use it as a standard thumb, it comes in 5 sizes and the sizes are distinct from each other, the handle can be configured for 2, 3 or 4 finger use with sweep adjustment, it's hook location and neck length allow it to pair up to a variety of hinges, and it comes in a kit where the archer doesn't have to buy extra parts to set it up the way he/she wants. So you have the best chance with the OnneX to get a release that fits your hand and can be set up how you want it.
I suppose only time will tell whether it has any legs, but I figured I'd try to let people know what to expect and offer my recommendations to improve it. It'll sink or swim based on its merits.
Man i cant tell you how much i appreciate your honesty of your reviews. Im sick of the glazing from other youtube "archers" on products that were given to them for free and being told not to bad mouth them.!😂😂 Or they are just sponsored all together and do everything but suck them off completely!! 😅
Thank you for watching and for the kind words. I really appreciate the support 🙏.
I firmly believe companies should have to earn our money, and if they're going to charge a high price for their product, then it better deliver what it promises.
I won't be making any friends in the industry that way, but I think there's a market for no-nonsense reviews.
Take care, stay safe and happy hunting 👍
Do I have any interest in the ibex release? None whatsoever. Did I still listen to the entire review front to back? Yes. Yes I did. I’m not sure what it is that I appreciate about these reviews so much. I guess straightforward and brutally honest archery reviews about aspects that really matter while calling out propaganda are just that rare. That and the fact that I feel like I’m getting an excellent archery review from a rather grumpy Zapp Brannigan, which is kind of the best.
Thank you very much. I'm glad you are enjoying my reviews despite not caring about the product getting discussed. I can't say I've ever been described that way, but I'll take it. Zapp was more based than he gets credit for 👍.
Ditto!!
Hey man! I am in the market for a handheld thumb button release for hunting. But I am overwhelmed by all of the options on the market. What do you recommend? My local shop only carries the Stan OnneX C.
Another awesome review👍 Hinge for hunting, I’ve done it, it works until it doesn’t. You never know what position you are going to get into in a tree stand. If you pull through the shot like I do you can get into a position where the release won’t fire. If you rotate your release or should I say manipulate your hinge with your hand in some manner you might be ok. My opinion, learn to use a thumb button for hunting and if you can’t, get an index and punch it.😂
Thank you for watching. I agree that thumb releases are more versatile for situations that are less "controlled" and the archer is twisted around or bent into positions in which he is not accustomed. The best way to get around the is to incorporate it into practice, but I doubt most people put enough time behind the string to prepare themselves for every scenario they may encounter.
You ok? No videos in a while
@@dougkiefer7073 doing great. Just really busy during 3D season . Currently editing a video and should have it out in a few days.
Hi, love your content, and actually just used your sizing guide, honestly that is the best thing someone has ever done for the archery community, thank you, you're awesome.
P.d. i have a suggestion, in the sizing guide it could be beneficial to include a little ruler at the moment of the scan(it can be just 1inch), that way we can cross check after the print if our print dimensions are correct
Thank you for watching. A scale would be a good idea, so I'll see if I can add that to my sizing sheets. Thanks 👍
Thank you for your review. To address some of your concerns. The foam in the case is designed to carry the release initially. Most if not all consumers do not put their release back in the packaging. So the case can be used to carry other items.
The thumb peg is truly there for people that feel they need it initially. After you shoot it 50 times you will realize you don’t need the thumb peg. It you are putting enough stress on the thumb peg to bend it then you are not shooting it correctly.
This brings us to the statement that you impacted 1 foot left/right compared to your hinge. You seem to be the only person to have this issue from pros, experienced hinge shooters and new hinge shooters….🤷♂️
Which brings us to you want your hinge to work for you not you for it. I’m sure when you switched from an index finger release you didn’t change the way you shoot with a thumb or hinge…🤔
But to each their own.
I will agree with you on the lanyard attachment but it does work with D-loop material. We will be making it bigger for paracord.
Overall I appreciate your suggestions.
Thank you for checking out my review and responding to some of my suggestions.
I'm not terribly concerned about bending the thumb peg attachment piece during normal use, but I can envision the attachment piece becoming warped if the release is dropped and lands on its thumb peg, though I suppose every thumb peg is vulnerable to that. Regardless, the thumb peg isn't really usable after, as you said, the archer realizes it's not needed.
I do not expect every release to give me the same impact point as every other release. I was merely reporting on how it performed for me, and how it may perform for others. I should have been less "definitive" when I made that statement. I usually tag it with "YMMV".
More often than not a change of release requires a re-sighting in of the bow if it's already sighted in for something else. Jaw position and a myriad of other variables will affect point of impact, and it can affect its ability to be paired with a thumb release (which is becoming a common practice).
Suggesting that switching between hinges requires as much form adjustment as switching between different release types is a bit of a strawman. Naturally going from a hinge to an index finger release is going to require an adjustment of the Archery's form, draw and shot execution. Index to Thumb, same thing. Thumb to hinge requires a degree of adjustment somewhere in between.
Switching between two different hinges should, technically, require fewer adjustments, and is determined by the adjustment range of the moons/sears and the angles of their heads.
Some hinges require even finger pressure across the handle in order to minimize the amount of rotation needed on the handle to lift the head/jaw from its "pinned" position, and if you draw them with a "ring finger forward" angle (as the guy on KifaruCast alluded to during your interview), then more rotation is needed to get the hook to start moving along the sear. These are the ones we hear archers say something to the affect of "no matter how hot I set the sears, it's still too cold". It's because they're drawing with the head pinned and not floating or just barely against the "stopper" that keeps the head from hitting your middle finger.
The Ibex falls into this category, and if a prospective archer has a specific way of drawing a hinge, it may be necessary to make adjustments to their form to use it effectively. Other hinges have more aggressively angled heads and can be drawn in a variety of angles and their moons or sears can be set to match. There's literally something for everyone.
Many archers will be fine with making changes to their form if the Ibex fits their hand, has an appealing feature set, and they are willing to commit to using it. Others may not like it because it cannot be adjusted to fit their preferred style of draw.
I'm sure the phrase "then go buy something else" is now loaded in the chamber.
I think you have a nice product and I look forward to seeing how it develops. It's tough breaking into a market that's already pretty saturated, and I hope you are successful.
I think I've gone on for long enough. I'll do a follow-up video after I've had more time with it.
I toyed with one at Redding this year. Went back to purchase and no one was at their booth. Novel idea that still has my interest.
@@darrylwilliams4008 I think it has potential, but it needs major refinement.
I had a passing interest in this release only because of the internal settings adjustment design but Iam glad I have seen this video. The thumb and lanyard attachment design does look pretty pathetic. Having not held one I was curious about the head angle. I am very sure you have saved me from wasting a lot of $. 👍👍
@@timbow50 thank you very much for watching. I'm glad you found the info useful. I think they deserve credit for trying to offer something new to the market, but I find the design insufficient to justify the high price tag.
Maybe if it was $100 cheaper I could recommend it, but not $300-350. There are a myriad of better options available for less.
Awesome video
Thank you very much and thanks for watching.
I can't say you're correct on not being able to install a large thumb peg.
The large thumb peg was maybe the first modification I had made.
Fair enough. Does your peg have an offset mounting hole? I hadn't thought of that when I was writing my script.
The peg offset threaded mounting hole made the modification possible. The large thumb peg was in the parts bin for a time like this.
The Ibex large gets equal play time with the Stan Click having similar ergonomics.
I've taken the Ibex out to 92yds. with good results.
Non hinge shooting archers now have control of getting off of the commitment to the click.
Fearing the click and controlling the click are two different mindsets.
The 1st effort of the Ibex Release was open to review.
Hands on reviewers gave informative feedback to @EvolutionOutdoors.
Ask the expert... I have a question about the Stan OnneX Clicker. What better resource than you. Today 4/04 the Elkshape channel had a video about 6 mins in where 2 of the guys tried a Stan Onnex clicker. They all talked about a vibration they could feel after the click?? Is that something new?? Or is that something on the current model? I assume it provides a sort of "haptic feedback" during the shot process? Wasn't sure, and never heard of that before. Also didn't know if it was the current model or if it was a freebe from Stan to get Elkshape's feedback on it? Thought you were the perfect person to ask. Also just noticed the brass knuckles hanging on your "wall of releases" 😆
Thanks for watching and thank you for the question. The knuckle duster on the wall is a hinge called a Bernie's Archery Equalizer, and if it fit my hand better I'd be using it all the time.
I haven't watched the podcast you mentioned, but I do have two of the early models of Onnex Clicker (one aluminum, one brass) and I don't feel any vibration in either of them after the click and before the hook releases. Both of mine are smooth too the click and then pretty crisp.
That said (and I just grabbed mine to check) there is a little "twang" after the trigger is pulled fully and the hook releases. I assume it's the tension spring since it is pretty long and if you unscrew the cap holding it in, you'll see it just sits there with no dampeners around it.
That said, I can only feel it when I'm fidgeting with it. At full draw I don't notice it.
Not sure if that answered your question, but please let me know if you need any more insight.
What is your favorite thumb button release
Hello. If I had to choose one I would pick the Stanislawski OnneX Clicker. It has a broad range of tensions you can set it from very light to very heavy, you can set it to click or shorten the travel and use it as a standard thumb, it comes in 5 sizes and the sizes are distinct from each other, the handle can be configured for 2, 3 or 4 finger use with sweep adjustment, it's hook location and neck length allow it to pair up to a variety of hinges, and it comes in a kit where the archer doesn't have to buy extra parts to set it up the way he/she wants.
So you have the best chance with the OnneX to get a release that fits your hand and can be set up how you want it.
There's no reason to redesign anything, this will not catch on
I suppose only time will tell whether it has any legs, but I figured I'd try to let people know what to expect and offer my recommendations to improve it. It'll sink or swim based on its merits.