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@@michaelpro2800 hello Mike and thank you for checking out my content. To be blunt, no, I don't think the Ultimate Flex is worth the cost. If you are absolutely certain you want to switch to a thumb release, I would recommend the Stan OnneX Clicker. It can do everything any thumb release can do (including disabling the click and using it as a regular thumb release) and the available sizing will ensure it fits your hand properly. If you are looking for something to try before you sink a lot of money into a thumb release, then something like a Spot Hogg Whipper Snapper would be a good one to try.

@@olehemlock you're probably right. TRU Ball hands out sponsorships like Tic Tacs. Most other release companies don't have nearly as much representation on the target line as TRU Ball; at least with televised events.

@@olehemlock thanks for watching. I would need to chronograph those arrows since they're not the ones I usually loose out of that bow, but last time I checked it was 275 with a 400gn arrow. A little slow for what the AV3 needs to reach its potential.

@@darrylwilliams4008 I think it has potential, but it needs major refinement.

@@Ben.Paints hello and thank you for watching. That's going to depend on which Carter you are comparing. The Carter Wise Choice would sit between a Large and a XL OnneX, whereas a Whisper 2 Small would match up to a medium OnneX. I have a sizing guide on my website (www.artandarchery.com with downloadable PDFs to check sizes and compare handles) if that helps.

@@llllogix hello and thank you for checking out my channel. More and more I find myself using a hinge, but I tend to switch back and forth between a hinge and a thumb. It's probably 75% hinge and 25% thumb for me at this point. As for which ones I am currently switching between the Stan OnneX Clicker and TRU Ball Ultimate Flex for thumbs, and for hinges the Stan LynX and TRU Ball Executive Flex. As for pulling through the shot with a thumb release, I find i am more consistent just wrapping my thumb around the peg and continuing the movement of curling my thumb while I pull against the wall and let my pin float. For Hinges I relax my fingers while pushing forward with my bow hand and pulling back with my release elbow. I don't think there's any one correct way to do it.

@@ajbholsters2035 much appreciated! tysm

@@sthompson447 thank you for watching. There is a lot to love about them 👍

@@timbow50 thank you for watching. It was, indeed, a nice, scenic area to loose some arrows. Hopefully one of these days I'll get out to Utah or Big Sky, as those are supposed to be outright majestic. The events themselves and the target presentations are not exactly practical for anything other than practicing for more TAC, but the idea is to challenge the archer with targets and distances to which they may not have access anywhere else. The terrain can be challenging as well. That said, I think you're right. Most of the people, including myself, would be better off honing out craft at closer yardages before we attempt to lob arrows out past 100 yards. I think TAC might just be part of an elaborate conspiracy by Big Shaft to get archers to buy more arrows. 😜

@@timbow50 thank you very much for watching. I'm glad you found the info useful. I think they deserve credit for trying to offer something new to the market, but I find the design insufficient to justify the high price tag. Maybe if it was $100 cheaper I could recommend it, but not $300-350. There are a myriad of better options available for less.

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Hello and thank you for watching. Here's a writeup i did for another person who asked a similar question: The release I tend to recommend most often is the Stan OnneX, particularly the Clicker version because you can set it to be used with or without the click by adjusting the trigger travel. I discuss that in my review on my channel. The reasons I choose the OnneX over the UV Button are as follows: -The OnneX comes in 5 sizes and the sizes are distinct from each other in all dimensions (size, thickness and even the finger attachments are adjusted by 10% between sizes). So you have the best chance of getting a "fitted feel" as compared to other releases. The UV Button comes in 2 sizes, medium and large. The medium would equate to an OnneX Large, and the Large equates to an Extra extra large. -The OnneX comes in a kit with two lengths of thumb peg post, two sizes of thumb peg, 3 and 4 finger attachments, trainer lock pin, and the tools necessary to make adjustments. The UV Button comes as a 3-Finger, and any additional configurations must be purchased separately. -The OnneX's finger attachments are sweep-adjustable. So you can further adjust the handle to fit your hand. The Button's finger attachments are not adjustable. -The position of the hook on the OnneX is fairly "standard" and can be paired up with a variety of other thumb releases and hinges without the need to adjust the archer's anchor point or d-loop length. So if you are looking to use a hinge and a thumb with the same bow, you can mix and match brands of releases to get a combination that works on your bow and gives you the same point of impact without having to match your method of shot execution (i.e. squeezing the trigger on the thumb release will hit in the same spot as executing the hinge with back tension). The UV Button's hook height and position are unique and pairing it with any release except the UV Hinge is far less likely (and it may not give you a similar point of impact with it, either). It may also require adjustments of d-loop length or even draw length in order to anchor comfortably with it. Both releases use a spring-gate to capture your d-loop and hang the release on it. The OnneX opens toward your face and the UV Button opens away from your face. One odd quirk of the Button some archers are encountering is the d-loop can slip between the hook and the spring gate if you draw the release at an odd angle. I've never had this issue because I draw thumb releases with the handle perpendicular to the string. The OnneX does not have that issue due to the direction the hook opens. Both the OnneX and the Button are good releases and if you set your bow up for either one exclusively, you should have good success whichever one you choose. That said, if you have to buy it sight-unseen, your odds of being able to set the release up in a configuration that works for you are the highest with the OnneX. As far as sizing goes, I have printable PDFs on my website (www.artandarchery.com) and www.stanoutdoors.com does as well that you can print you and get an idea of what size you may need. I'm not familiar with how gloves are sized in Australia, but I wear a size Small glove and a Medium OnneX fits my hand perfectly.

@ajbholsters2035 Awesome, thank you for that exhaustive and thorough reply. You pretty much confirmed my thoughts. I have decided the onnex has more adjustability, and you get more for the price. Thank you again for you help.

@@Tullminator my pleasure, and if you have any other questions, please feel free to hit me up. Take care, stay safe and happy hunting 👍

@@moewells100 i had to look it up, but it would appear we have the same interior decorator. This was before I had a dedicated recording space.

I'm going to copy the message I sent you on Etsy In case anyone else is trying to make a similar decision: Hello Justin and thank you for checking out my content and my store. I'll see what I can do to narrow down your options without leaving you with a case of "option paralysis". There are a lot of options and there are very few releases I outright would not recommend, so I'll stick with the two you mentioned. The release I tend to recommend most often is the Stan OnneX, particularly the Clicker version because you can set it to be used with or without the click by adjusting the trigger travel. I discuss that in my review on my channel. The reasons I choose the OnneX over the UV Button are as follows: -The OnneX comes in 5 sizes and the sizes are distinct from each other in all dimensions (size, thickness and even the finger attachments are adjusted by 10% between sizes). So you have the best chance of getting a "fitted feel" as compared to other releases. The UV Button comes in 2 sizes, medium and large. The medium would equate to an OnneX Large, and the Large equates to an Extra extra large. -The OnneX comes in a kit with two lengths of thumb peg post, two sizes of thumb peg, 3 and 4 finger attachments, trainer lock pin, and the tools necessary to make adjustments. The UV Button comes as a 3-Finger, and any additional configurations must be purchased separately. -The OnneX's finger attachments are sweep-adjustable. So you can further adjust the handle to fit your hand. The Button's finger attachments are not adjustable. -The position of the hook on the OnneX is fairly "standard" and can be paired up with a variety of other thumb releases and hinges without the need to adjust the archer's anchor point or d-loop length. So if you are looking to use a hinge and a thumb with the same bow, you can mix and match brands of releases to get a combination that works on your bow and gives you the same point of impact without having to match your method of shot execution (i.e. squeezing the trigger on the thumb release will hit in the same spot as executing the hinge with back tension). The UV Button's hook height and position are unique and pairing it with any release except the UV Hinge is far less likely (and it may not give you a similar point of impact with it, either). It may also require adjustments of d-loop length or even draw length in order to anchor comfortably with it. Both releases use a spring-gate to capture your d-loop and hang the release on it. The OnneX opens toward your face and the UV Button opens away from your face. One odd quirk of the Button some archers are encountering is the d-loop can slip between the hook and the spring gate if you draw the release at an odd angle. I've never had this issue because I draw thumb releases with the handle perpendicular to the string. The OnneX does not have that issue due to the direction the hook opens. Both the OnneX and the Button are good releases and if you set your bow up for either one exclusively, you should have good success whichever one you choose. That said, if you have to buy it sight-unseen, your odds of being able to set the release up in a configuration that works for you are the highest with the OnneX. As far as sizing goes, I have printable PDFs on my website (www.artandarchery.com) and www.stanoutdoors.com does as well that you can print you and get an idea of what size you may need. I'm not familiar with how gloves are sized in Australia, but I wear a size Small glove and a Medium OnneX fits my hand perfectly. I think that about covers it. I hope I was able to help you along in your decision. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. Take care, stay safe and happy hunting. ~Andrew

@@alexisgon117ag hello and thank you for watching. I doubt there are other brands of changeable hooks (like the Stan MoreX line) that could swap into the Hinge 1.0. I think your best chance would be to join some online groups such as Archerytalk (which has a massive classified section you can access when you meet the requirements) or Facebook groups like Ultraview Junkies. I would be willing to bet if you post on either of those, you should be able to find a private seller who can sell you what you need.

@ajbholsters2035 That's a shame, but I guess I just have to roll with it. I'll check out those groups you mentioned since I didn't know they existed. Thank you for the help, and keep up the good work on videos, I really enjoy them.

@@calebsmith1454 why is there an assumption that I would be jealous or "butt hurt" of a person when I am criticizing his delivery and his methods? I'm not competing with him for customers. If I'm wrong about him, explain why I'm wrong instead of going the lazy route and calling me "butt hurt". I explained in the video what I disagree with about his methods. If all you got out of that was I'm envious (of what I don't know) then this might not be the channel for you.

@@ZaheerFirdaus thank you for watching. I am not certain what is happening there, though it sounds like the internals got stuck. If you push the thumb peg up towards the top of the release (opposite direction of pulling to engage the draw safety) the hook will open and go slack. You might be able to press it closed while pushing up on the thumb peg and reset the mechanism. If that does not work, I would contact Stan and let them know you are having an issue. I hope it works out.

@@rmvb619 hello and thank you for watching. The Executive's finger beds are a little larger than the Hinge 2.0, and it might be a little thicker. I have PDFs on my website (link in description) that can be printed out to compare, but a TRU Ball medium is a little bit roomier than the Ultraview Medium. As far as adjustability, the Executive can be set much hotter than the Hinge 2.0 due to the angle the head sits when it is against the top of the neck. So it should be able to be set to whatever speed you might need.

@@acebuck3487 thank you very much for watching. I'd say both the UV Button and Ultimate Flex each have their charms and their places in the mix. I think the best thing going for the Ultimate Flex is the ability to have a "shorter than average" hook height. Other than that I think the Button Edges it out in most other metrics.

@@C.Adams82 thank you very much. I call that my "Wall of Impending Bankruptcy" 😂.

@@C.Adams82 hello and thanks for watching. The clearance between my middle finger and the hook is right when I'm holding it loosely, but when you get to full draw and your fingers are under tension and fully seated into the finger beds, they don't touch. I have small fingers, though, so somebody with thicker fingers might have more of an issue.

@@acohen5267 thank you very much for watching and for your impressions of the LynX. It's taken over as my primary hinge because its shortcomings (i.e. lack of micro-adjust sear and no hook return) are outweighed by its strengths (good ergonomics, thumb peg adjustability, head angle conducive with most styles of grip on the draw). Stan responded to my email asking about the hook return fairly quickly, and when I asked for updates on the Onnex Hinge click hooks, they were pretty responsive. So I think they should take care of you fairly quickly. So far my clicks haven't worn down, so I'll consider myself lucky. Thanks again and if you feel like following up and letting me know how your experience goes with Stan's customer service, I would appreciate it so I know they're taking care of their customers. Take care, stay safe and happy hunting 👍

@@ajbholsters2035absolutely will follow up with ya and thank you for your reply! Even without the click, I will continue to shoot this release joyfully. It is the best I’ve shot to date. Who knows, maybe no-click is what I need right now. Thanks again!

Update. Spoke to Stan today and they are sending me a new fast-click sear. The guy I spoke with was super nice and seemed genuinely bummed I have this problem. They are handling it no problem which is awesome. My Ex Okie custom barrel arrived today and installed. Had it made 3-16” longer to help my fat thumb from rolling over. This thing is a serious unit now! Keep up the great content as you are able and stay cool.

@@acohen5267 that's very good news. I'm glad they got you sorted out in a prompt and courteous manner. It's always nice when a company takes care of their customers and backs their products. Thank you for the follow-up and I hope you have a pleasant evening 👍

@@jthepickle7 good words to live by 👍

@@ajbholsters2035 A word to the wise is sufficient.

@@konnerlee5708 thank you for watching and for the kind words. I couldn't agree more. I still can't figure out what they were thinking. I know the left handed market is small (I'm also left handed but I was taught to shoot right-handed), but if they are going to cater to it, then it should be with a purpose-built product and not a cop-out like this.

@@jthepickle7 thank you for watching. I try to put on my best "narrator" voice when I record my videos 👍. I imagine 30 grit sand paper grit glued onto the release would certainly improve your purchase on it without adding to the thickness of the handle. Excellent suggestion 👍.

@@rickp5647 thank you, Rick. It's surprising how much noise they actually make. I just shot more footage last night with 5 different kinds of vanes (same arrow shaft for consistency's sake) and every one of them you can hear it coming from 50 yards away, not to mention the sound of my bow. It's no wonder deer jump the string 🤦.

@@anthonypiertosanti9692 thank you for watching. Yes, I am writing the script as I wait for my UV Button Copy to arrive from China. In the mean time I'll be posting some more sound testing of arrow vanes.

@@MrChiumiento my pleasure. I look forward to doing more testing. Not exactly scientific, but it's fun 👍.

Thanks for watching. They're definitely quieter than my Bohning Ice Vanes, which buzz a little when they fly by. I'm fletching up more arrows with different vanes to see how they perform and will post more footage as i get it. It's not exactly scientific, but it's fun 😜.

Thank you for watching. I used 6-32 x 5/16" socket head cap screws. They allow for a larger Allen key and aren't nearly as fragile as the stock screws.

Thank you for watching and for the kind words. I'll get them coming 👍

@@brooksmaxey9745 thank you for watching. I'm not certain where we are at a disagreement. Of course there are variances when encountering uneven ground, uphill and downhill targets, etc. I haven't gotten that far yet. In order to be able to hit a target more than once, regardless of how far, what angle it sits, or what you're standing on, you have to be able to supply the same input to the bow more than once. That's the point I was trying to make, and there are methods and drills that can be employed to make it easier to accomplish.

@ajbholsters2035 I don't think we are in disagreement. I'm just adding some points to the discussion. Look forward to what you have coming up.

I disagree other than having your sight set up for different distances, consistency will remain the same except for the distance factor, which will widen your groups. It's all in form; confidently repeatable form. Now wind, I will agree can be a problematic affect.

@nwbhc you anchor in the same place at 20 as you do at 80? If so you're certainly missing low. My anchor at 80 drops down to my upper neck. Other parts of the shot must remain consistent my point is that you must have repeatable shots not just one. The base and fundamentals stay the same but a bow shot in the circumstances I outlined will be held differently with pressures pointing in different direction so it will inevitably feel different. As a base repeatability is key but I challenge any one to draw and aim at 20, then without letting down direct your aim to even 50 and come back and tell me it didn't change things. This can also be done with a slider. Set your sight to 80 and draw back and aim at a 20 yard target through your peep you'll be looking over the top of your housing.

@@brianlew9559 thank you for giving it a try. I'm glad it is working well for you 👍. Your explanation does make sense. I adjusted mine recently to a position I can't get with the stock components, so it does offer some unique options in terms of adjustability. I'm not sure his plans on colors, but it wouldn't be the first time the subject has come up.

Hello and thank you for watching. Other than the OnneX Clicker, the standard OnneX thumb allows a little bit of travel, though the adjustment is on a cam system and it's limited. The OnneX Clicker 's click can be disabled and used like a typical Onnex thumb, but that involves reducing the travel to where your starting point is "after" the click. Most thumb releases with travel adjustment can be set with some trigger travel, though I'm not sure of any that have as much as the Clicker. Offhand the ones I've tried out of my collection that have a decent amount of travel are the Hot Shot sear activated thumbs (X Spot, Ember, Hookup, Tempest, and Eclipse), TRU Ball Ultimate Flex, TRU Ball Blade, UV Button, and B3 Versa, versa pro, and Omega (all versions).

@@ajbholsters2035 That's very helpful. Thanks for getting back to me. Really enjoying the videos.

Yes, all my OnneX's I use I changed the button head screws that hold the thumb barrel post to the trigger stem with 6-32 x 5/16" socket head screws and the screw for the finger extension to a 6-32 x 3/8" (iirc) socket head screw so I could use a larger Allen key on it without damaging it.

I changed the button head screws that hold the thumb barrel post to 6-32 x 5/16" socket head screws and the screw for the finger extension to a 6-32 x 3/8" (iirc) socket head screw so I could use a larger Allen key on it without damaging it.

Thank you for the kind words. I am glad you are finding my videos helpful, and I'll give Mindful Hunter's channel a look.

Thanks for watching. I actually have a pile of arrows in my basement with AV2's fletched already. I'll bring some to my next range visit and get some "flyby" footage and post it up as soon as I can.

Thank you for watching. I agree. It's a mark of intelligence to be able to explain complex concepts in relatively simple terms, but the simpler you make it sound, the less people are willing to pay for it 😜.

You are correct. The OnneX comes with a short and a long-er thumb barrel post, and there is an Extra-Long post available on the website. They're only 8 bucks, so I might order one to see how much of a difference it is.

@@ajbholsters2035 oh thats crazy, i tried the long one from the get go and it was wayyyy too long already, can't imagine what sort of bear-handed behemoth would need an even longer one hah

@@JulzA89 if I had to take an educated guess, the extra long post would allow somebody to settle the thumb barrel into the base of the thumb with a fully flattened hand, or it could put the thumb barrel up above the tension screw similarly to the HFE-1. There was enough of a demand that they chose to make one, so somebody's bound to be finding a use for it.

My pleasure. Thank you for watching. I'll remind him to get that set up.

Thanks for watching. Unfortunately the trigger stem on the PerfeX is a lot smaller. The OnneX is essentially a "beefed up" PerfeX, and the trigger stem and the hardware are much larger.

@@ajbholsters2035 thx for letting me know I was about to order one willy nilly, and I like watching your stuff man thx for sharing

@@jasonard7227 my pleasure and thank you for checking out and supporting my content 👍

Hello and thank you for watching. If you set this flush with the back of the release, then it's not going to fit an existing holster without modifications. The way I have it set in the video (and on the one rotating in the corner) does fit with enough clearance to rotate it down even further. I'm probably going to end up doing a "signature series" or some such variation if the HFE 1 becomes popular and there is demand for it.

Agreed. I often think of myself in similar terms 😜. It looks like the T800 had some input in its design, but as you said/wrote, form fitting function can trump aesthetics.