Capuchin monkey fairness experiment
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2012
- This was clipped out of recent TED talk given by Frans de Waal regarding moral behavior in animals. In a nut shell we get to observe reaction and response of two Capuchin monkey when they receive different reward for same type of work. www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waa...
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Lmao the way he shakes the cage "I DEMAND JUSTICE!!!"
That's actually a she and she's not taking anyone shit.
grapes matters
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!! 🐵 🍇 🍉 🍗 👟
Haha😂
I once had a boss show this to me as an example of why we shouldn't know each others' pay. Like we both didn't just watch the same video of a person getting screwed for absolutely no reason lol. To me this is a clear argument for transparency, not against it.
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@ChattyPablo no
@ChattyPablo no
@ChattyPablo well anyone "can" do anything.
this about "should." that's not a good reason at all.
I guess in the work relations we should be only concerned about what we earn related to what we do. No matter what other people earn or do.
At the end, the ones who do less than what they're payed for will lose their job at some point, while the one who does more than what he earn may get some income raise at some point.
I always work measuring that I MUST do the best to deserve my earnings, as a means to wether I clain an income adjust, maybe showing the possibility of leaving the enterprise, the boss answers GIVING me it.
That's exactly why I earn more than my job mate do.
I like how he cocks his forearm back to through the cucumber with maximum force.
"I like how he *cocks* his forearm back" - LOL.
But he doesn't throw the rock for some reason. Like it still has hope for the grape exchange. I feel like advertisers and gambling businesses use this tactic of having an idea or instance of an exemplary winner. But through our actions we only get the "cucumber"
The point is the monkey probably wouldn't react like this IF he didn't see the other monkey getting the grape. What makes me so different from the other monkey that I can't also get the grape? It's not fair. He's got a point
I suppose that’s what the experiment shows but I can also imagine being similarly frustrated with this even without the other monkey. Like if you’re correctly following the instructions and not getting the end result 😅
Monkey shaking the cage: I want to talk to my lawyer!!!!!!
the way the ape tries to break the cage tho, like "DOWN WITH THE BOURGEAISIE!"
monke*
"Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité!!!!!"
@@renantrindade9049 GRAAAAAPES!
Monkeys of all cages, unite! You have nothing to lose butt your chains!
bourgeoisie
HE JUST WANTS A GRAPE, IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK?
Sorry, I know your comment was posted a year ago, but I thought you would like to know that they have done that experiment as well. Same result. They also did an experiment with monkeys where they had monkeys give a token to someone in exchange for grapes. Later, they added another researcher who gave one or two more grapes than the other researcher and they discovered the monkeys would go to the researcher who gave out more grapes. Then, they took out the original two researchers and put in three new researchers (all of them giving out different amounts of grapes). They found that the monkeys went to the researcher who they perceived would give them more grapes and that the monkeys would get angry if they perceived they were not getting enough grapes. All these experiments are totally legitimate.
the bujeezis always gotta be one doesn’t there. That guy.
@@jbinpo this is ti the concept of fairness not whether they could count and do math
@@jbinpo It is a test of fairness, because you're giving the monkeys an unequal reward for the same work, which is unfair, which means you're testing whether or not the monkeys have an understanding of fairness in how they react to being treated unfairly.
Stupid
That's funny but also sad. I hope the cucumber monkey got plenty of grapes after the experiment.
Generally, trial monkeys are treated very well. And in cases where they have to associate something with mistreatment, in this case delivering rocks, they make sure not to expose them to rocks afterward due to the negative association.
Yes, she did. I heard it in a full video.
I wonder if Jeff bezos films his workers at Amazon and laughs at them the way this crowd laughs at this monkey?
i can imagine that xD
I watched this for my positive psychology class when we worked on the SCARF model (The F in SCARF means fairness). I honestly would've reacted in a very similar way. Especially if chocolate was involved.
chocolate is bad for you
@@FabulousJejmaze **starts trying to break out of the cage** GIB CHOCOLAT
you would kill 985 people to peep the horror?
@@eduardochiscuet3146remember
i dont like chocolate but i know what you mean, deep inside we all are like this
The monkey was like "Da fuck why the hell you giving me this shit again " lol !
Me at 11 PM: Ok one more video and I will go to sleep
Me 4 hours later:
I hate it when they get my order wrong, too.
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me watching this on loop before a psych final: ah. yes. studying
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Me too now.. A bit late
I guess I am the latest one here!
abhishek sah me too
@@abhisheksah2961 Perhaps you are not lol
when you find out your co worker makes more for doing the same job
or does less for the same rate
If I asked for grapes and got ripped off, I'd be pissed, too.
I first had to watch this video for one of my college psychology classes. During my last semester, I had this statistics-based class that involved computer programs to solve homework problems (SPSS, R-Studio, etc.). Coincidentally one of the assignments involved scientific data from monkeys receiving grapes at different times during experimentation. I briefly talked about this video near the end of class and everybody was laughing. They couldn't imagine how pissed the cucumber monkey was feeling after he threw it.😂
You can see that we really are very close to other primates in the evolutionary tree. The way she threw the cucumber reminded me of how humans threw rotten tomatoes. The way she shook the cage was just like how someone pissed off would shake a jammed gate or door. And even how she tried to investigate what she was doing wrong by checking the rock shows intelligence and an understanding of the concept of fairness and injustice. Injustice that she was doing the same and yet was given a lesser prize and she had a sense of fairness that logically she should be receiving something of equal value.
I was looking for this video forever! thank you for putting it up
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Now, I understand street protest we are coded to demand fairness...
0:44 Alright, finally
0:48 ...oh no...you did not... Samantha wtf!
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This experiment represents only half of the concept. The complimentary experiment should be asking the first monkey to deliver 2 rocks for a red grape and then giving a red grape to the second monkey for delivering just one rock. I wonder how soon or even if the first monkey would realize they're getting paid only half of what the second monkey is getting paid. Good stuff indeed.
it's so cute to see the little monkey get angry like that
Notice how the other one didn't give him grape neither to counter injustice
i want to see the full experiment video
Poor monke, they’d better have given them lots of grapes after being played like that.
That's what I want to know!!
Did the other monkey FINALLY get a grape?!?!
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OMG, read the transcript!
this begs the question: is morality innate?
Doesn't beg but kinda answers it. That's what the experiment is about, the concept of fairness and how inteligent animals clearly have it.
Personal interest created morality. Personal interest if my sibling is getting grapes, I want grapes too. So my sibling or whoever it is better make room for me otherwise I will get pissed and stir up trouble. That is how and why we created fairness rules to keep the peace. In my opinion anyway.
This is such a random clip. I never searched for it
what if she gave both cucumber and ate the grape?
Comedic gold how she throws that cucumber
.29 second mark is hysterical "let me at her!!!"
I looked for this after seeing it on The Soup.
OMFGG LOOOOOL @ WHEN IT SHAKES THE CAGE HAHAHA! I'm DYING!!!!!!!!
You give that monkey the grape!
Notice how the other monkey didn't give up any of its grapes when it saw the scam?
This is how Uber drivers feel. 🐒
When AI has taken over the world they will make such funny games with us.
Mama’s last hug i read so i can find this video
It’s very fun
The other one didn't even get a grape :( Poor baby.
"It looks like a cucumber to you, but you know what this is lady, this is BULLSHIT"
The irony of people laughing
Now imagine being the monkey that does 3 times the work gets a piece of cucumber from which the researcher takes a bite first and then it watches the other monkey get 2 grapes for doing nothing. This is how the middle class is, maybe even worse.
Lmao in what world is this true. No one gets paid for doing nothing.
@@johnx140 welcome to Canada. Some People here are paid to do drugs for free. There are programs where the govt pays for a taxi so that the guy living on welfare can go take his drugs safely.
While the tax payers keep getting taxed to death. If you make too much much money you are taxed over 50% plus deductions.
"Stop fucking with me Pat, I want the damn grape!"
She's wearing a face shield. Already knows a throw might be coming
I want to know if the other monkey FINALLY got a grape after the experiment.
FYI
The monkeys are NOT kept in these "cubicles". These arw specifically for tests, and teaching.
See the door behind them? After yhey are done the monkeys rejoin others in a large area of tree like branches, swings, and toys. Water is always available as well.
I hope they may a longer video, this is so satisfying to watch!!?:)
Exactly my thoughts. I don't know why, but watching a monkey suffering from injustice feels so good
Ok! I understand.
That chicks troll game is strong.
Sigma Rule Number 14: slap your food on the ground when experiencing inequality
I've done this with people and it is actually very interesting, give someone a 30 dollar gift then turn around and give someone else a gift worth 200 see what happens lol
And....?
Has the Capuchin had grapes prior to this? It is obvious there maybe other factors manipulating the reaction of the left one.
When I found out my male colleague with exact same job earned way more than me.
Or me when I found out my white colleague with exact same job earned way more than me. Companies will pay you as little as they can get away with. You have to negotiate for better pay during the hiring process, or at your yearly evaluations, and if they still won't give you a raise, just walk.
I know that feel.
If a monkey knows what fair and just is, we people have become the real animals….
It`s being fed cucumbers just for handing a rock back. The fact that it`s willing to throw perfectly good food away just because it wants something sweeter shows that it`s well fed. The monkeys are neither too docile or too aggressive(they`re curious about their environment and eager to work with the scientist, but also aren`t afraid to show their displeasure), so they`re not being abused. I don`t see what the problem is here. You act like they`re being tortured, rather than being fed.
It is torture though. Subtle but torture anyway. It made me feel extremely uneasy. They’re making the monkey feel pain on purpose. That’s torture. Give the god darn monkey his friggin grape!
@@TheRafark it's not that bad if this is just a small experiment and they freed the monkey shortly after. If these monkeys are being kept in prolonged captivity for the sake of further experiments, that would absolutely be wrong. Not only that, but it would harm the legitimacy of the research, as your monkeys diverge significantly from those in the wild.
@@TheRafark Torture would be, if they sliced its head open and poke the brain while the monkey still being conscious, that would be torture.
You don't understand the context in which fairness is being used in the experiment.....
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I want that purple stuff
I love our simian cousins. They share our inate sense of justice and fairness!
More like we share theirs, it's probably where we got it.
@@atticstattic we are VERY distant cousins. Not descendants.
@@jt7638
Never said we were - we share a common ancestor.
LOL, this is pretty much my kids exactly.
I know this is 6 years later and they're fully grown adults by now but you shouldn't keep your kids in cages 😕
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Monke: Get me outta this cage and lemme teach u
I like to see animals in captivity, and experiencing weird stuffs on them.
NAO U MAD BRO ?
right..
Re-enacting "The Grapes of Wrath".
Although it would be more accurate to call it 'The Cucumber of Wrath' . . but that doesn't sound as good for some reason . . .
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You removed the funny part of the video about this being just like the Wall Street protestors! That was the best part! :-0
moral of the story, give cucumber to all your employees
It's funny the first time. The second time it's sad because these monkeys could be enjoying the wild. I hope they at least gave the first monkey a big bowl of grapes at the end!
Agreed
He says in the full video that the monkeys live together in a habitat but were just caged for the experiment
Girl she AIMED for the scientist. She was sending a message
Does this monkey have a youtube channel?
Hi
This is the origin story of a monkey supervillain
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_comparison is the thief of joy_
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I believe they’re sentient.
GAT anyone?
OMG YES
disadvantageous-equity aversion...
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂give her a grape
I hope that monkey got his well deserved grape later on.
All laws should be based on this
Yeah man !
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0:24 "Nah i hate these food! *KOBE!"*
Relative deprivation.
Lol whoever came to this video after Shahbaz Gill's interview are legends.
Shahbaz Gill gave interview in which he was saying that justice is important for society.❤
Hey! Bum bum bum, got any grapes?
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Don't see the problem. Cucumber is delicious.
+Tafferwocky it's objectively not delicious.
Sigurd Mjelve It is at least quite nice.
Monkeyfortnitey_1:
"Ok bro i'm gonna give you rock back"
*gets cucumber*
"Oh hell yeah that the spot"
Monkeynedbanana_56:
"I give rok to yu human"
*gets grape*
"Now this better than cucumber"
Not shown here. Some monkeys actually refused the grape after seeing the other one getting thr cucumber. But it was a minority
CAP.