There was no election interference. Trump has been engaged in criminal activities for decades. The election was not stolen, and insurrectionists are not patriots, Russia is not our friend. It’s that simple.
Tom is a great demonstrator of how to disgree respectfully while having a difficult and passionate conversation about things you really care about. That's a lesson worth watching his videos for in and of itself.
How loverly to be able to share. Voting IS Praying to a spiritually dead god, Government. You are praying for it's blessings upon your just causes, are you not?? All organized "Religion" is just another mental Prison. Government and Religion, are the "Gifts" granted unto this World, by the Light-Bringer. His other name, "Satan", which simply means "the Accuser", is carried by all, who join the Congregation of the Spiritually Dead, and pick their "side"; whether Communist vs Capitalist, Catholic vs Baptist, Left vs Right, Red vs Blue, Muslim vs Jew. These "factions" ACCUSE each the other, of trying to bring about Chaos. Behaviour that is as Satanic as the Day is Long, which causes Those who were brought to earth most recently, to abandon their Mission of Deliverance of this World, from these two "Gifts" of Satan, the Devil, "Lucifer". Think on it just a moment. Do not Governments facilitate the Mass murder, mass theft, and rape of this world's resources?? Does not Religion, tell it's adherents that all other religions are missing the truth? Accusers All, meant to Keep the Populace of this blood-soaked, mud-covered bar-magnet of a planet, DIVIDED AND FALLEN.
I do hope you realize, my friend, that America is a dictatorship. Our lives are completely controlled and dictated to us by the large corporations that control our laws and policies by bribing our government. It's called lobbying. The president is just a figure head. And the legislative branch is completely in the pockets of big oil, the food industry, and big pharma.
I witnessed Police overreach early one evening. Eight police cars, two helicopters and a swat truck full of eight Robo cop types came rolling into my neighborhood. Why? Because my neighbor got fired earlier in the day and came home drunk. He threatened his live-in and her child. He didn’t hit anyone and he doesn’t own a gun. She walked across the street and called 911 because she didn’t know what else to do . Two hours later every window of their home was broken with tear gas canisters . He was the only person in the home with his poor dog. Maybe he was too drunk or scared to come out. Anyway, he was hauled off to jail and she and her son were homeless after that and the home was ruined.
Do you understand that police are now at a level of all time high stress for everyone, nobody likes or wants them until they need them. A lot of rules for cops but none for criminals… not sure if that incident was long ago and if that police dept got a nice new cache of armaments from old military equipment and were ready for a chance to play or if it was a while back when a lot of disgruntled employees were shooting up work places, but context is everything!
@@freerangeboogie7293 I've always thought that since about 2014. Amazing you put that out there. Sometines deep inside your head you always have a thought, it never comes out. Then you hear something that quotes exactly that thought. , I feel it's contributed, the aggression, language, swearing they use. They didn't used to swear so much in a tense situatios,but also in 2014 the data shows that racial, trans, and gender topics skyrocketed in search engines . The police do what they have to do so they can go home to their family, no chances whatsoever, it IS DANGEROUS., overreach ensues for sure, but man. It's a hard job, watch some of these police chase UA-cam channels, it's BEYOND dangerous, they are engaged in 150+ mph violent , armed and homicidal suspects in chases during rush hour and lighter freeway traffic. Risking their lives to save innocent people., more dangerous then Iraq, Afghanistan, literally quite comparable. When everybody is supposed to be a friendly and POW, you got a barrel pointed in your face walking up to a driver' s window. W)O them, that's not even a consideration, look at it now with just a small defunding. .
A poignant illustration of this idea is Tom's failure to understand or even recognize his unconscious obsession with and insistence on identifying with the collective "we". The anarchist philosophy values individual responsibility as fundamental and sees subjugation to the oppressive collective as fundamentally evil. Michael is trying to nudge Tom to recognize this principle because he knows that principles can be defined but will never be understood until they are discovered for oneself.... Especially when dealing with deeply rooted indoctrination.
Sinclair was one of the men who lied to produce the USDA and FDA. Along with Dr. Harvey Wiley- who worked for the Bureau of Chemistry and coherced the government into allowing food colorings to be accepted. These 2 gentlemen acted on LIES to the American people that “small butchers processorsand meat packers were supplying meats and meat products containing human remains. There was NEVER any test ran nor any conclusion to prove there were. They attacked small farmers butchers and packers until they shut their doors. Sinclair pushed their socialism through “The Jungle” his most praised work…… this book explains their thinking in the meat industry and their thinking on communities all together. This caused meat prices to drop 50% in 6 months in some areas ONCE The Jungle was published!!! Do not quote Sinclair unless you KNOW his work. He was a socialist so was Wiley and neither of them were doctors nor had any proper accreditation to even make the claims they made in 1906!!!!!!! Now “consumers had more trust in meat distributors”… yet they had the upmost respect and loyalty to their local farmers butchers and packers from the start. They all needed each other. The cities then expanded and the “need for these government managed/overseen farmers and distributors” by consumers. Yet it is difficult to understand these things when you have never discovered these things but quote socialist on a video pertaining the ideas and philosophy of Anarchism…. You don’t understand do you?
@@Misinformed_lolwhy are you thanking them for quoting a socialist who destroyed the meat industry and what it meant to be a farmer and producer for your community?? Oh you also do not understand who Sinclair was nor Wiley or any of the things they did to maintain government control on your food.
I find it odd that Malice understands American govt propaganda, not to trust the News, spinning things, etc, yet he still believes history happened exactly the way he was taught. We cant all agree on what happened last WEEK....what makes him so sure he knows what happened decades ago? Or millenia ago? He doesnt realize that that was likely spun too? Someone as smart as Malice should be able to see that.
@@Scorch428 What are you talking about? His book the White Pill is 100% a telling of the truth, despite all of the American Leftist propaganda and lies that hide how many millions of people died under communism. Have you never heard him before? Have you never questioned why the gang of the US Government put anthrax in a phone booth close to the building where they keep it, to try to scares us into +$7 Trillion of warfare that we are still paying for to this day? How they used the war to steal more of your rights through the Patriot Act? What are you even talking about. They talk about the violent gang that calls itself our government.
"Anarchy is no guarantee that some people won't kill, injure, kidnap, defraud, or steal from others. Government is a guarantee that some will." Gustave de Molinari
Really? I guarantee anarchy will. History proves it. That's why government was made, everywhere, in every place every people had some form of government. It's a natural step.
I have lived in rural America most of my life, and ALL of my relationships are built on Goodwill. Everything has occurred naturally. When Michael says 'Anarchism is the basis for all that is decent and good in humanity' it hits me that what I am doing is not as absurd as it seems.
@@vols-deep I believe this is due in large part to the corporate media using the term anarchy as a synonym for chaos within the context of civil unrest. Whereas, most people apparently are incapable of comprehending that words may have a different meaning when used in a different context, such as political philosophy.
@@barefootarts737TBH, this comes as no surprise. The 'highly educated' have been carefully misled in their most informative years via the academic indoctrination machine that continues to this day to reimagine the definitions of words in order to promote a neo-marxist agenda.
How loverly to be able to share. Voting IS Praying to a spiritually dead god, Government. You are praying for it's blessings upon your just causes, are you not?? All organized "Religion" is just another mental Prison. Government and Religion, are the "Gifts" granted unto this World, by the Light-Bringer. His other name, "Satan", which simply means "the Accuser", is carried by all, who join the Congregation of the Spiritually Dead, and pick their "side"; whether Communist vs Capitalist, Catholic vs Baptist, Left vs Right, Red vs Blue, Muslim vs Jew. These "factions" ACCUSE each the other, of trying to bring about Chaos. Behaviour that is as Satanic as the Day is Long, which causes Those who were brought to earth most recently, to abandon their Mission of Deliverance of this World, from these two "Gifts" of Satan, the Devil, "Lucifer". Think on it just a moment. Do not Governments facilitate the Mass murder, mass theft, and rape of this world's resources?? Does not Religion, tell it's adherents that all other religions are missing the truth? Accusers All, meant to Keep the Populace of this blood-soaked, mud-covered bar-magnet of a planet, DIVIDED AND FALLEN.
I think Michael is one of the best thinkers of our generation. he's well read, thoughtful, and considerate (in terms of thought).. love this long form discussions he does. :-)
@@LuisPerez-ft2rk so, you're saying that the individuals on the following list had really high IQs? (Name, lowest estimate of deaths attributed) Mao Zedong, 40MM Pol Pot, 1.7MM Vladimir Lenin, 1MM Adolf Hitler, 11MM Genghis Khan, 40MM Joseph Stalin, 20MM Qin Shi Huang, 18MM Leopold II of Belgium, 10MM Hideki Tojo, 5MM Tamerlane, 10MM Idi Amin, 0.1MM because I would argue these are the most dangerous people in history. please explain YOUR claim. :-)
His anarchism presumes a civilised, neutred man that won't wage war on his neighbours. It is simply unrealistic. Given absence of law I and I suspect many men would form gangs and attempt to take over territories. This is human nature.
Malice is enormously patient in explaining the same thing to everyone over and over. The „it’s already everywhere and we’re engaging in it right now” thing.
Because it's a clever semantic game but ultimately impractical and people intuit this. Malice gets to feel intellectually superior while reasonable people understand it's nonsense even if they can't articulate it.
@@kailaleebabineau3962it's not impractical. We are ingrained to default to a government or someone in power with thinking about how 'the world should work'. Anarchy isn't a government, it's voluntary relationships. Try to make a connecting thread to all the relationships you have in your life from the person who gives you change at a convenience store to your spouse. None of them are the same or have an exact formula, and that's a concept people have trouble grasping.
Try telling someone to do homework about the BTC network and what it is (the ascendancy which they will see soon in even their lifetime), only to find that even with everything to gain they'll still ignore you. I used to be patient with that, and now I don't have the time for it. But Michael is a speaker for a living, so it behooves him more. I generally agree with Michael but realize that ultimately I can only help people by physical actions/deeds or by praying, which I hope Michael ultimately comes to realize.
And I love him for hit. His long-suffering is our learning for the first time. He is trying to help us re-learn what comes naturally. I am eternally grateful for this mind.
@@kailaleebabineau3962 To call it a semantic game can actually be semantic game itself, but lets not go there. "WE" need thinkers to do what they do while rest of the work is on us.
The Gulag Archipelago is an epic story of my grandfather’s hell and other millions like him. It took me 6 months to read it in small portions so my heart would not break. I knew very little from my grandfather because after he was released, he had to agree that he would never talk about it. He said very little; that he was there 6 years, that only 20% survived, that it was so cold that by the time spit reached the ground, it was already frozen, that the food portions were 1/2 pond of bread and one herring a day, that they worked cutting wood, berried dead bodies only in summer months when the ground was not frozen. He did not say more, but he screamed in his sleep often.Only after he died, my grandmother said that people there ate dead people. His greatest wish for us was that his grandchildren would never be hungry. I, on the other hand always knew that you should always be the most aware of your stupid neighbors. Stories of the Gulag Archipelago's caliber could caution privileged generations who never had to experience the horrors of what humans can do to one another. Perhaps the eyes could be open then, and gratitude, respect, grace, kindness, and generosity would have a chance to develop.
Thank you sharing your family's experience, so many people are clueless. More people should read Gulag Archipelago. Most people are too lazy to read 1984 or animal farm.
But Ayan Rand DIDN'T see the consequences of actually adopting her ideas. She assumed that there would be something in human nature that would mitigate the negative effects over time and population size.
I appreciate Malice hammering home the reality of how few individuals are actually capable of mentally processing complex scenarios. That is something that intelligent individuals literally cannot conceive of, because they can think.
Even as I get older and become less full of myself, is my IQ just average and I can't manage these situations, or is my IQ high and I'm just really good at thinking about excuses to do what I wanted in the first place? I know at least I'm better than my father who was never curious about anything in his life except how much money his neighbors made.
This conversation was almost TOO good in that each of them made dozens of statements that got my mind spinning off in its own direction. There was one 40 second stretch I had to replay 5 times until my brain clammed up so I could absorb what they said. Queueing up more of each of these guys to view later...
I’ve listened to the first 10 minutes of this podcast and Michael his spot on an absolutely awesome. Everything he’s saying so far I 100% agree with I did not know about anarchism, but that is what I’ll be defining myself as going forward. Can’t wait to watch the rest of this podcast.
America was founded upon a sort of anarchical system. Government power was severely limited to almost zero, and the states ruled themselves with a Government by the people. That is what a government by the people, for the peoples means, a sort of anarchy.
Great comments. The U.S. DID start off with great concept, love it. As per the 2 replies, great and true points. I've been thinking about all, how can anyone with a pulse, living in America today, not be. So, where did we go wrong? I don't think is that simple, or we'd simply, correct. The US has had it good for s long time, and during the "what appeared to be, good-times, " humans being flawed, as we are, and our population growing, as it did, I think we started to allow capitalism, run amok, and as everything became about : getting ahead, but being real greedy about it. The rational being, the "market";will keep his, "in check". But we at same time as chasing wealth, we lost our focus on America, became to involved in making money, exploiting world markets, and once everything was a "big hustle", minus any self-awareness, we lost our moral compass, corruption became "part of the game" among politicians and they in turn, solicited the media, who were more than apply to enrich themselves, by supporting a political agendas. Next they targeted, the schools- universities. The agenda was set, because we had become global facing, rather than, committed to America and our American struggles. So, with the Tech boom, the amount of wealth hits the stratosphere, however,, neglecting the diligent, responsibilities to defend our American values and addressing, the difficulties, our population began to grow negative, and instead of being honest, the politicians and wealthy, were happy with their easy, do nothing, while becoming extremely wealthy, ...they didn't want to rock their boat - being in denial for decades that: we are all on the SAME BOAT, SND MANY, LIVING IN RALITY, BECAME MORE UNHAPPY. THIS IS WHEN THE FACISM BEGAM, A COLLUSION BETWEEN DC(Fed Government), the Media, and Wall Street + big banks,big tech, big POWERFUL, wealthy industries to keep Americans , "OFF THE BACKS OF OUR ELECTED REPS. IN DC,AND TO KEEP, THE ELITES OF WALL STRRET , BIG MONEY ETC., EMPOWERED TO RAPE ALL THE WEALTH,MTHEY BECAMR NOT ONLY CORRUPT, BUT IMMORAL, ATHEISTIC, AND ALL THE VALUES THAT WOULD CORRECT SND KEEP, IN GOOD ODER,OUR AMERICAN EAY OF LIFE, CAME UNDER ATTACK.N THEY USED MEDIA, AND ACADEMIA TO : Divide Us. And, our smart global enemies saw this opportunity, and infiltrated our media and culture to create further DIVISIONS, DESPAIR, DEPRESSION, DEATHS. USING SOCIAL MARXISM, IDENTITY POLITICS,- allowing children in elementary schools to be socially transgendered, ie. teachers calling them by names of an opposite sex, and NOT TELLING PARENTS, EHAT WAS HAPPENING. FAMILY DRS. WERE ALSO, ASKING PARENTS TO LEAVE THE EXAM ROOM, SO DRS. COULD TALK TO KIDS ABOUT TRANSGENDERING, ABOUT GAY SEX ETC., AND KEEPING ALL SECRET FROM FAMILIES, ALSO SCOOLS FOR KINDERGARTEN THROUGH8th grade, having up to 8 different books, several copies each, in the school libraries, and when parents found out, in terrible ways, and pints went to school boardmeetings to demand the books be removed, it was the parents that were not allowed to SPEAK-OUT AGAINST, AND PARENTS REMOVED., ANDTHIS TREND OF NOT ALLOWING FREE SPEECH, ANYWHERE, IF YOU WERE AGAINST THESE, ANTI-American, ant-family, anti-Christian Ir any conservative religion or American values,ppl would loss permission to FREE SPEECH, BEING CANCELLED FROM SOCIAL MEDIA, BEING FIRED FROM MEDIA OR NEWSPAPERS, BEING FIRED FROM HOSPITALS AND SCOOLS, BEING FIRED FROM ANYWHERE, THIS WAS A CULTURE WAR, TO TAKE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS AWAY FROM CONSERVATIVES, AND EMPOWERING RADICAL LEFT, IN OTHER-WORDS, MARXISM, HOWEVER; BY FOCUSING ON ISSUES LIKE ABORTION, OR HIRING MINORITIES, EVEN, IF A NON- minority person was qualified,Mandy a person of color was NOT QUALIFIED, IT CAUSED MORE AND MMORE, LEGITIMATE DIS-Unity AMONG AMERICANS, WHEN, IN FACT, THE REAL ISSUES THAT MATTER, LIKE GOOD GOVERNMENT POLICIES TO MAKE BETTER AND MORE JOBS,MTOBSTART PRODUCING OUR OEN OIL AND GAS, TO MAKE DRIVING, AFFORDABLE , TO MAKE HEALTHY FOOD AFFORDABLE, TO STOP THE PROMOTION OF WARS, SO THE MILITARY ARMS MANUFACTURERS , STAYED RICH, AND TO FOCUS ON TH REAL DIVIDE - America has one REALITY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BECOME EXTREMELY WEALTHY, LEVELS OF WEALTH, NEVER SEEN BEFORE, HOWEVER, THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY, EVEN WITH HSRD WORKING ADULTS, CAN NOT AFFORD BASIC NEEDS: HOUSING, FOOD, GAS, CLOTHES, CHILD EXPENSES ...SO, THE TRUTH, THST NO DEMOCRATS ARE FICING, THAT ALL DEMOCRATS ARE DENYING OR MAKING EXCUSES OR, TALKING ABOUT : RACIzsM, ABORTIzozn and THE ENVIRONMENT,AS ARE THE MEDS , DOING/USING THE SAME TACTICS - wHEN, THE ENVIRONMENT , RACISM, AND ABORTION, ARE NOOR $5/ hr or LESS,!!! WE WILL NEVER SURVIVE, AŁSO, WE NEED LEADER THAT UNDERSTANDS HOW TO DEAL WITH CHINA AND RUSSIA AND WILL START PRODUCING OUR OWN GAS AND OIL, NEEDED BY TRUCKS THAT DELIVER FOOD AND CLOTHING, THAT PUT GAS IN OUR CARD, AND THAT WE NEETO HEAT OUR HOMES, WITH WINTER COMING, ELECTION ÍS IN NOVEMBER. KAMALA HARRIS HAS HAD A I TOP 3 ISSUES RUINING SMERICA. AMERICA NEEDS LEADERSHIP THAT WILL CREAT POLICIES,!! To MAKE AMERICANDS HAVE THEIR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS, MOSTLY TO HAVE A SECURE BORDER' SO LEGAL AMERICANS CAN GET BETTER JOBS OR ANY JOBS, PAYING WAGES THAT SUPPORT A DECENT LIVING, AND WITH OPEN BORDER, ALLOWING PEOPLE TAT WILL WORK, CLASSISM (The haves vs. the have Nots), and of course, using our American, "sore spot", of a 100 years of "racial" crimes, became a civil war, became, a culture & civil rights struggles, and so, the Media played that up. As our social divisions, were pounded daily via Media, and on campuses, via critical theory, identity politics and DIVISIONS BEGAN TO TEAR APART THE HEART AND SOUL OF Americans, largely by lies, corruption, and embellishing racial tensions, which, if not for activists, being $$paid & media & academia & politicians (not to mention domestic enemies that had infiltrated our borders , using spies, largely using BiG Tech and Social media. We now know that government agencies began to actively divide Americans further than ever, when Trump began to fight back, and represent the Americans that until he was in office, had no one powerful and wealthy enough, and strong & fearless enough to speak out against conspiracies, against Chins, against constant wars and MIC,against all the LIES ABOUT RACISM, against unnatural activism, being both corrupt, stealing $100s of millions, about Covid being, man-made, about leaving southern border open to ANYONE FROM AROUND WORLD, MOST, APPROX. 80% involved in gangs, in anti- American assaults, via drug cartels, killing with China /Mexican Fentanyl,: allowing illegal, over millions to compete for jobs, allowing wealthy foreign investors to invest in real estate and land and markets making home ownership, far to expensive,and theMedia working "HAND IN GLOVE" to KEEP DEMOCRATS IN OFFICE, AND ALLOW POLICIES THAT ARE, ANTI FAMILY, ANTI LAW & ODER, POLICING, THEREFORE, allowing RIOTING, allowing people to steal fro stores, wyithout police enforcement, DENYING FREE SPEECH, WHEN A CONSERVATIVE SPOKE UP,MBUT,ENFOC RING,MFALSE LAWS, TO JAIL TRUMP,MHIS LAWYERS, HIS ADMINISTRATION...THE REASON YHEY ATTACK TRUMP IS NOT BECAUSE HE IS BAD, IS BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE AMERICA,HOW IS DESIGNED BY CONSTITUTION. TRUMP EAS NEVER A POLITICIAN, BUT HE SAW THE, U.S. BY ENEMY COUNTRIES AND BY DEM POLITICIANS, WHO WERE ACTING AGAINST EVERYDAY, AVERAGE, GOOD AMERICANS, THAT WANTED SAFETY, THAT WANTED NO MORE ILLEGAL ENTRIES, THAT WANTED TO END SEX SLAVE GANGS SND DRUG TRADE CARTELS TO STOP ATTACKING AMERICANS, TRUMP, GOT SMERICA PRODUCING SO MUCH OIL AND GAS, THAT WE WERE ENERGY INDEPENDENT, WE HAD MORE JOBS AND BETTER WAGES, SND AS SOON AS DEMOCRATS: Biden& zkamala got back in:;stopped Energy production ,MAKING GAS SO EXPENSIVE, and making Russia and Iran top energy-producers , at a time of insanely expensive pricing ,SO, NOT ONLY DID BIDEN & Kamala ruin our economy, but, theirTERRIBLE WEAK FOREIGN, made zrussia and Iranbsovweslthy, and both counties started wars
Despite being a subscriber of anything and everything Michael Malice, I often don’t trust my UA-cam algorithm to suggest new videos of him and I have to run a search for him just to be sure. Thank you, Tom, for having him on your show.
Coworker 20yrs ago suggested Alex Jones to me, I then found Ron Paul, Directed me to Tom Woods, which led me to the Mises institute, in turn I found Michael Malice. Journey totally worth it.
I came by Malice through an entirely different route, but his perspective has greatly broadened my mind and enriched my life and I’m eternally grateful for all his hard work.
would it be too democratic to vote on public deletion of all government positions and holders of those positions (notice how I parsed my words so as not be deleted)
Sometimes I wonder if when I talk to a statist, my opinions scare them so much they leave our conversation and proceed to create a LARGER government. 🤔
Our Government has 23.7 million employees 443 agencies with a new agency being created every month... THINK ABOUT THAT! ITS TIME FOR GOVERNMENT TO GO BEFORE IT CONSUMES AND KILLS US ALL...
As for Michael Malice, I listen to his podcasts and whenever he is a guest on someone else's podcast. I can only say "Thank You" for your voice and beautiful thinking. There is no one to match your brilliance and way of explaining what you actually teach people.
@@song8777Hears the word anarchy, and critical thinking shuts off. Proves the point of Malice that anarchy isn’t for everyone. It is for some who benefit from it.
I very much like Michael's train of thought. He very easily demystifies the reasons why many people have limited belief structures. Excellent interview!
I can’t wait for this to finish because I’ll forget to mention this! I read The Gulag Archipelago in junior high school ( I’m 69) !! That book was so profound. It blew me away. -and open my eyes to things I couldn’t imagine I love this guest and I’m gonna get his book and I love impact theory -you’ve both got a fan!!
First time getting exposed to Michael Malice. Thank you for picking such a smart person to interview. He's so kind and disagreeable at the same time. He can say he thinks you're very intelligent, while also telling you how he thinks your wrong. So hard to find someone who brings such genuine integrity to a conversation. 10/10 interview.
And so we as Americans were kind to each other during the pandemic to those who didn't want to be vaccinated? There were enough Americans who could easily perform self-righteous snitching on their neighbors and even family members to feel important.
I like this guy, Malice. He's very difficult to nail down, argumentative and frustrating. Talking to him seems like playing chess. I would get frustrated and irritated, but I like him because I think he is not harmful and helps people grow.
Correction: He doesn't see the world the way you do. He refuses to simplify the irreducibly complex to create an artifical social construct that justifies a system he knows is wrong.
@PierzStyx so is it that his ideas are irreducibly complex or that he refuses to simplify them? And if you think communication of complex ideas requires creating an artificial social construct, then you are not as intellectually superior as you seem to think, condescending puke. This is not a correction, but a failed attempt at an insult.
@@PierzStyx I’m trying to decide if he always argues for a good purpose, or if he sometimes just does it because it’s habit. I have a sister that argues constantly for what she deems necessary, but it’s for social justice. Woke social justice accomplishes wrong ends, yet she argues on and on… I’m wondering if he’s accomplishing changing people’s views for the positive or is it just more words…?
He seems to be to society what the book " So you don't want to go to church anymore" was to Christians... would explain exactly why so few can understand him. He operates on the first person principle entirely. What can you do. Not what people can do. Not what the government can do. You personally. Unfortunately, that is extremely unpopular. Because most people don't actually want to do. They Want something that they can say, And other people take care of it. It is why michael absolutely refuses to use the word should. Should says this is what you must do. What you must do and what I must do are completely different... And so I cannot tell you should. In my community , I often say this is where we're going and what is going to happen... And routinely get blocked and muted for it... Because it's not a question of what should be done. The question is what is happening, And that's where you're going to have to start from.
One of my most important teachers taught me to eliminate “should” from my vocabulary… As Yoda also said: “do or do not do…” Malice’s instance on not accepting “we” is fundamental to his philosophy “you do not speak for me” …semantics are what allows someone philosophical consistency. Edit: this comment was originally intended as a response to someone complaining about Michael’s semantics… accidentally posted in the main comment section.
@@snicklefritzfry Agreed, but is he is one of a few voices who realize and enable us to realize that we, the individual, are the beginning of all great movements. If you learn of eastern Asian cultures they will always be 2nd as they as are great collectivist, but not individualist. Most Asian companies are HUGE, and work across many industries, where in the USA we have many individuals companies offering more choice. Because of this individual mistakes are inherently smaller and more quickly forgiven by the market. Thus enabling people to learn more and learn faster.
But it is semantics, telling podcast listeners they “should floss everyday” is the same thing as telling them “floss everyday”. Being disagreeable is great only when it offers something to the context of the conversation. This is informative content, majority of listeners are here to know what they “should” do.
tom has done a lot of interviews , this might be one of the best and most important he's ever done , top10 at least imho ; thank you michael for saying what needs to be said/heard
Host needs to read the Machievellians, which is Malice's top book recommendation. Malice basically just spent 3 hours doing an ad hoc analysis based on that book.
I find him a little to "everyone's stupid but me" for my taste. He makes a lot of points about people having zero self-reflection, I think he's spent too much time on twitter; it seems to be the place to go to experience that sort of person (and you might end up seeming so yourself, limited to a paragraph, not to mention every third person was a bot, and at least IME, still seems to be so.)
“the voluntary society is the source of order that comes from freedom itself. There is no contradiction or even tension between liberty and security. If free enterprise works well in one sector, it can work well in other sectors too.” - Gustave de Molinari
Saying “Real evil can only occur when ____” seems like you’re leaving room for a great deal of very real evil that occurs under many other circumstances. Do you mean that literally? Or do you mean the evil that occurs accross an entire society like nazism, communism, and slavery?
That was not her point at all. Her point was that everyone inevitably creates emotional bond with "the truth" and is capable of joining and participating in any sort of totailitarian society and comiting even attrocities against any percieved treath. "Nazis" were not special in any way,they were you and me in a situation where we see one group or few groups as the threath - like vaccinated vs unvaccinated where we percieve "the others" as a treath to us and are ready to use force to "defend ourselves" but only one side has The State on its side and capability to commit atrocities or implement terror.That's why Michael's ideas are important,to prevent state's terror state should be abandoned otherwise it always becomes (or is from the begining) totalitarian,that's how we humans normaly behave. She (H.Arendt) was ostracized from Jewish intelligencia for her comments about the "banality of evil" after Eichman's trial in Israel where she was dissapointed and against those show trials where particular people are portraid as particulary evil and "special". Outside of a few psychopaths all humans are "normal", but capable of similar cruelty regardless and should be treated "normaly" like everybody else guilty of the same crime. Eichman hasn't killed anybody personaly so why should he be executed but thousands of "murderous" soldiers let go? That was and still is controversial idea since we all give highest blame to the leaders for evil commited but not to the foot soldiers who bring those terrible ideas to fruition. And all those foot soldiers are normal people too so there's no "justice" possible,only revenge. And to do that "reasonably" we choose to punish leaders most severly. She sees that as similar behaviour but from "our side",we punish percieved symbols of evil to create symbolic revenge which might also be evil in itself. See also Mattias Desmet's "Mass formation" about the subject.
@@lisabeam8315 no that’s the point that most miss about atrocities. There will always be conflicting truths but it takes a blind obedience to authority and punishment that results in the worst horrors.
I stopped looking for explanations ever since I started reading the Bible. As a kid I never followed and I always questioned why? Why is it so easy for people to be persuaded into doing things that are obviously immoral? I’m not saying I’m special, we all have family, friends, and coworkers that will agree on bombing children in Gaza. Why? It doesn’t benefit you to agree with such approach. It’s obviously immoral. Are they scared to be ostracized? Is there repercussions for disagreeing? Yes. But Why? Logically asking questions and criticizing actions can only benefit the nation from making further mistakes. So the conclusion for me is very simple. It’s just Evil. Evil from a Christian perspective. The same evil that tortured a innocent man to death for a degenerate collective. There’s nothing else that can explain it. You look through out history the same events happens over and over again. It leaves me dumbfounded. And I’m pretty fucking dumb. Leaves me asking the same questions every single time. How could you? And why would you? It’s just crazy honestly. It’s actually not that deep. I think people keep digging to try to reason with their own soul. Anarchy isn’t possible. But an overpowered government is worst. The sooner we can collectively agree on Morals the sooner we can get back to normalcy.
@@brazoon1 Even as Tom is exposed to reality, deep thought and the harsh reality of Man & History, he is clinging onto his Woke identity, or he is a Coward. I always like his guests more than him. (even the guests I disagree with, if they present facts, facts is facts,
Freedom is such a silly word to describe America. The highest incarceration rate around the world, and has an institutionalized mass surveillance program (Patriot Act) in the name of freedom.
How do you know AMERICA has the highest incarceration rate......you are trusting other governments to yell the truth.....that one always makes me laugh
@@rosesoulis1840so you believe every country is lying is about their prison populations and incarceration rates? Is the U.S. lying too? Do you have evidence for this?
Tom, what Michael is saying is that a method where we choose preemptively who will lead us, rather than allowing the natural order to choose, is not only irresponsible but ineffective.
2:39:00 BINGO Michael nailed it. It’s a matter of IQ and for some reason people of above average IQ refuse to accept the reality that a large % of people (> 65%) do not have the mental capacity or desire to change their wiring and programing let alone understand what the host of “hoping”
I think this is one of Tom's best interviews. I genuinely appreciate the constant measuring of terms and defining of thought to make you think very specifically to clearly articulate an idea.
I love Tom's questioning style. I tune in for all things Michael Malice, because even when I don't agree I feel reasonably challenged to consider my position or unseat his. I feel like I've seen Tom before, but this and an interview I watched yesterday really made me appreciate how he directs things. "Okay, that's two things, I'll ask you to unpack that later but let's finish this topic." And so on.
53:21 - This was me vs. my college roommates. If I did anything creative or outside the box, much less pushed them to, they were very dismissive, or even ridiculed me for it.
Ive followed Michael Malice for years, the more I think about his ideas, the more convinced I am that many of his ideas would indeed improve humanity as a whole
Lack of personal responsibility/accountability is what's destroying America, especially minorities. That's all he's advocating for in a nutshell, stop delegating responsibility to others, it's your job.
What do you suggest, removing women and instead growing people in artificial wombs, in barrels? Replacing humanity with a new species? Sounds like some LGBTQMA+ theory.
This topic of thought and what control we have over it is an inner conversation I always have with myself, great to hear you guys try to outwardly chisel out some of these concepts, even as hard as it is.
@@darbyohara I'm not here to insult intelligence. Even when you are smart, it's hard to break free from deep programming. Tom is clearly smart, though I'm not sure exactly how much so.
@@outlierz1796 it’s not hard. Smart people are curious thinkers and skeptics. They don’t just go along then realize years later after someone tells them they were duped
@@darbyohara Yes but the fact that Tom is actually willing to engage in debate is at least proof of some intelligent activity in his brain. Most people not only lack that ability but even run from it.
This guy is so bloody brilliant. He's saying the same things I've been saying for the last 10 years. This is so refreshing to hear it be put on a platform where it will be heard by a plethora of people this is so necessary🎉
211k people watched this video, 5.4k liked it. There are 8 billion people on the planet. That's 5400 compared to 8,000,000,000. Michael Malice is correct. As usual. Most people, the vast majority, won't even engage with critical thinking willfully let alone be good at it. Edit: Just finished watching completely and I have to say Michael Malice is incredibly reasonable. Tom is not an intellectual match for this individual. I haven't seen the Lex Friedman one yet I'd be interested to do so.
I believe there are 4 Lex podcasts with Michael. They are neighbors and good friends. Reading this comment section, particularly those that either can't understand the concepts discussed or make a comment about Michael's pointed semantics are the people Michael is specifically talking about. They either lack the cognitive ability to comprehend the concepts discussed or are simply not interested because of the work involved. I suppose it's possible they just clicked the wrong link and 'thought' this was a Whistlin' Diesel video.
I love you, Michael Malice. Your clarity is delightful. Big question: what is your view of international power competition? I am libertarian bordering on anarchist. However, it appears to me that the strong dominate the weak. It feels to me like i want a security apparatus to protect me from a large state with a regime i don't like from coming to exert more power of me. What is your view?
Michael definitely won't answer YT comments but who's more likely to exert power over you, some foreign nation or the very 'security' apparatus that you speak of? Does an invasion/occupation of a 1st world nation in 2024 by such a nation actually seem feasible to you? What would be the upside for them vs the nightmare that they'd encounter because of (unrestricted) modern technology?
Interesting question, I suppose you shouldn’t be weak and more trouble than you’re worth, although that hasn’t deterred the USSR or USA from tangling with Afghanistan. What are you willing to give up in exchange for that protection?
@@johnnyshanksalot8358 thanks for the thoughtful reply In this example I'm imagining an avatar anarchist utopia with no central or large scale government entity. Imagine everyone in the US just stopped caring what the central government thought and stopped paying taxes. In that scenario, I imagine that neighbors would start to take chunks. The point is that I think this issue of geographic security is a weak point in most libertarian/anarchist conceptions.
@@polysaturated that last question is, I think the whole ball game. Despite being very freedom loving, I worry that there is an inexorable evolution toward a small number (maybe Even just 1) security states exactly because size matters.
Michael … you are really talking about good Christian values that used to be taught in schools. A core value of love your neighbour as yourself (treat others as you would like to be treated.) A good understanding of right and wrong morally and consequences. The youth have no concept of this, received no balanced inputs so are lawless today as a consequence of our corrupted education.
Anarchism doesn't equate to Christian values...it's not really a value system. I do think it is better to have a personal philosophy, and ideally one that leads to happiness in your life and avoids creating misery in others. But if your value system is in line with not harming or trying to control others then you can live as an anarchist.
I think morality is critical to functioning anarchy and that the tenets of Christ are the only real source of morality in man. Anarchy works among non believers because they can have morality instilled by god and still be completely unaware of it.
Decentralism is a better term. It encompasses everything of substantive importance about anarchism as Micheal Malice presents it, without invoking all the misconception that the term anarchism brings. DECENTRALISE EVERYTHING. Decentralise protection. Decentralise business. Local values rule. Local products rule. The technology to suppoprt decentralised energy and goods production is almost here.
I agree, this also adresses most 'scale problems' we see in the world as it is right now, because most of them simply disappear. Building a semiconductor factory at a very local level might a bit tricky, but we can worry about that later because there are quite literally hundreds of more pressing issues.
Thank you Tim for bring Micheal Malice on. Great minds wrestling with how to make life make sense in how we engage with people and problems to flourish as a culture!!
Thank you for this interesting and mentally stimulating conversation! How have I never heard of Michael before? I’ll be buying his book asap You kept up with his brilliantly quick mind too!! 🔥♥️🔥♥️
WARNING: I will NEVER ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!
Goodmorning Tom
Thank you for sharing this interesting conversation 🙏❤️
There was no election interference. Trump has been engaged in criminal activities for decades. The election was not stolen, and insurrectionists are not patriots, Russia is not our friend. It’s that simple.
That's all very well but at least say thanks for the $10k I sent you.
EDIT: Uh-oh, this is the internet, I'd better add this....😁
I might though.
I am going in circles listing to his fantasy world.... he is out of touch... means well but it ain't making sense
Tom is a great demonstrator of how to disgree respectfully while having a difficult and passionate conversation about things you really care about. That's a lesson worth watching his videos for in and of itself.
True, but his best skill is paraphrasing and asking for confirmation that he has got it right.
I like how Michael is very direct when disagreeing. He doesn't waste time trying to make his argument land softer.
"what utility do these filters serve you ?" you just anarchist , you tell me
How loverly to be able to share. Voting IS Praying to a spiritually dead god, Government. You are praying for it's blessings upon your just causes, are you not?? All organized "Religion" is just another mental Prison. Government and Religion, are the "Gifts" granted unto this World, by the Light-Bringer. His other name, "Satan", which simply means "the Accuser", is carried by all, who join the Congregation of the Spiritually Dead, and pick their "side"; whether Communist vs Capitalist, Catholic vs Baptist, Left vs Right, Red vs Blue, Muslim vs Jew. These "factions" ACCUSE each the other, of trying to bring about Chaos. Behaviour that is as Satanic as the Day is Long, which causes Those who were brought to earth most recently, to abandon their Mission of Deliverance of this World, from these two "Gifts" of Satan, the Devil, "Lucifer". Think on it just a moment. Do not Governments facilitate the Mass murder, mass theft, and rape of this world's resources?? Does not Religion, tell it's adherents that all other religions are missing the truth? Accusers All, meant to Keep the Populace of this blood-soaked, mud-covered bar-magnet of a planet, DIVIDED AND FALLEN.
It's part of the ideology of being Anarchist.
Facing evil at a young age . Heard your podcast . Came here in 1979 from Cambodia. Blessed to be here . Don’t ever want to back dictatorship.
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Americans are born all over the world every day. I'm happy you found your way home :)
My Vietnamese Friend feels the same way. Please stay and help us Save this Country we All Love 💕
A dictatorship most likely funded by the US for resources. The naive immigrants strike again. 😂😂😂
I do hope you realize, my friend, that America is a dictatorship. Our lives are completely controlled and dictated to us by the large corporations that control our laws and policies by bribing our government. It's called lobbying. The president is just a figure head. And the legislative branch is completely in the pockets of big oil, the food industry, and big pharma.
He listens intently and is genuinely engaged. I have the most respect for Michael Malice. Great podcast.
I witnessed Police overreach early one evening. Eight police cars, two helicopters and a swat truck full of eight Robo cop types came rolling into my neighborhood. Why? Because my neighbor got fired earlier in the day and came home drunk. He threatened his live-in and her child. He didn’t hit anyone and he doesn’t own a gun. She walked across the street and called 911 because she didn’t know what else to do . Two hours later every window of their home was broken with tear gas canisters . He was the only person in the home with his poor dog. Maybe he was too drunk or scared to come out. Anyway, he was hauled off to jail and she and her son were homeless after that and the home was ruined.
Do you understand that police are now at a level of all time high stress for everyone, nobody likes or wants them until they need them. A lot of rules for cops but none for criminals… not sure if that incident was long ago and if that police dept got a nice new cache of armaments from old military equipment and were ready for a chance to play or if it was a while back when a lot of disgruntled employees were shooting up work places, but context is everything!
@@pinchebruha405 Exactly right. The force at that time, received all kinds of weapons of war from Iraq. Wars come home to roost as they say.
Ideal threats don't go unpunished
Moral of the story - control your emotions. People don’t respond well to being threatened
@@freerangeboogie7293 I've always thought that since about 2014. Amazing you put that out there. Sometines deep inside your head you always have a thought, it never comes out. Then you hear something that quotes exactly that thought. , I feel it's contributed, the aggression, language, swearing they use. They didn't used to swear so much in a tense situatios,but also in 2014 the data shows that racial, trans, and gender topics skyrocketed in search engines . The police do what they have to do so they can go home to their family, no chances whatsoever, it IS DANGEROUS., overreach ensues for sure, but man. It's a hard job, watch some of these police chase UA-cam channels, it's BEYOND dangerous, they are engaged in 150+ mph violent , armed and homicidal suspects in chases during rush hour and lighter freeway traffic. Risking their lives to save innocent people., more dangerous then Iraq, Afghanistan, literally quite comparable. When everybody is supposed to be a friendly and POW, you got a barrel pointed in your face walking up to a driver' s window. W)O them, that's not even a consideration, look at it now with just a small defunding. .
Upton Sinclair once said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
Thank you for that quote ✌️
Crazy 😂
A poignant illustration of this idea is Tom's failure to understand or even recognize his unconscious obsession with and insistence on identifying with the collective "we". The anarchist philosophy values individual responsibility as fundamental and sees subjugation to the oppressive collective as fundamentally evil.
Michael is trying to nudge Tom to recognize this principle because he knows that principles can be defined but will never be understood until they are discovered for oneself.... Especially when dealing with deeply rooted indoctrination.
Sinclair was one of the men who lied to produce the USDA and FDA. Along with Dr. Harvey Wiley- who worked for the Bureau of Chemistry and coherced the government into allowing food colorings to be accepted. These 2 gentlemen acted on LIES to the American people that “small butchers processorsand meat packers were supplying meats and meat products containing human remains. There was NEVER any test ran nor any conclusion to prove there were. They attacked small farmers butchers and packers until they shut their doors. Sinclair pushed their socialism through “The Jungle” his most praised work…… this book explains their thinking in the meat industry and their thinking on communities all together. This caused meat prices to drop 50% in 6 months in some areas ONCE The Jungle was published!!! Do not quote Sinclair unless you KNOW his work. He was a socialist so was Wiley and neither of them were doctors nor had any proper accreditation to even make the claims they made in 1906!!!!!!! Now “consumers had more trust in meat distributors”… yet they had the upmost respect and loyalty to their local farmers butchers and packers from the start. They all needed each other. The cities then expanded and the “need for these government managed/overseen farmers and distributors” by consumers. Yet it is difficult to understand these things when you have never discovered these things but quote socialist on a video pertaining the ideas and philosophy of Anarchism…. You don’t understand do you?
@@Misinformed_lolwhy are you thanking them for quoting a socialist who destroyed the meat industry and what it meant to be a farmer and producer for your community?? Oh you also do not understand who Sinclair was nor Wiley or any of the things they did to maintain government control on your food.
Malice makes some of the best podcasts. I love how he is able to challenge the discussion and he does it so eloquently.
It’s interesting hearing engaging philosophical conversations
He's hacky
I actually have lived in a society with no government. It is absolutely free but it is very vulnerable.
I find it odd that Malice understands American govt propaganda, not to trust the News, spinning things, etc, yet he still believes history happened exactly the way he was taught.
We cant all agree on what happened last WEEK....what makes him so sure he knows what happened decades ago? Or millenia ago? He doesnt realize that that was likely spun too?
Someone as smart as Malice should be able to see that.
@@Scorch428 What are you talking about? His book the White Pill is 100% a telling of the truth, despite all of the American Leftist propaganda and lies that hide how many millions of people died under communism. Have you never heard him before? Have you never questioned why the gang of the US Government put anthrax in a phone booth close to the building where they keep it, to try to scares us into +$7 Trillion of warfare that we are still paying for to this day? How they used the war to steal more of your rights through the Patriot Act? What are you even talking about. They talk about the violent gang that calls itself our government.
"Anarchy is no guarantee that some people won't kill, injure, kidnap, defraud, or steal from others. Government is a guarantee that some will." Gustave de Molinari
That's funny 🤣
@julierackow8964 name a government that doesn't kill, injure, kidnap, defraud or steal from it's people
Really? I guarantee anarchy will. History proves it. That's why government was made, everywhere, in every place every people had some form of government. It's a natural step.
@@Mrguy-ds9lryou have it backwards
@NathanCline12-21 what? My pants? Warm it up chris!
I have lived in rural America most of my life, and ALL of my relationships are built on Goodwill. Everything has occurred naturally.
When Michael says
'Anarchism is the basis for all that is decent and good in humanity'
it hits me that what I am doing is not as absurd as it seems.
@@vols-deep I believe this is due in large part to the corporate media using the term anarchy as a synonym for chaos within the context of civil unrest. Whereas, most people apparently are incapable of comprehending that words may have a different meaning when used in a different context, such as political philosophy.
@@Thurman_Merm my partner has two PhD's and has traveled the world, and still thinks that anarchy means chaos.
@@barefootarts737TBH, this comes as no surprise. The 'highly educated' have been carefully misled in their most informative years via the academic indoctrination machine that continues to this day to reimagine the definitions of words in order to promote a neo-marxist agenda.
How loverly to be able to share. Voting IS Praying to a spiritually dead god, Government. You are praying for it's blessings upon your just causes, are you not?? All organized "Religion" is just another mental Prison. Government and Religion, are the "Gifts" granted unto this World, by the Light-Bringer. His other name, "Satan", which simply means "the Accuser", is carried by all, who join the Congregation of the Spiritually Dead, and pick their "side"; whether Communist vs Capitalist, Catholic vs Baptist, Left vs Right, Red vs Blue, Muslim vs Jew. These "factions" ACCUSE each the other, of trying to bring about Chaos. Behaviour that is as Satanic as the Day is Long, which causes Those who were brought to earth most recently, to abandon their Mission of Deliverance of this World, from these two "Gifts" of Satan, the Devil, "Lucifer". Think on it just a moment. Do not Governments facilitate the Mass murder, mass theft, and rape of this world's resources?? Does not Religion, tell it's adherents that all other religions are missing the truth? Accusers All, meant to Keep the Populace of this blood-soaked, mud-covered bar-magnet of a planet, DIVIDED AND FALLEN.
I think Michael is one of the best thinkers of our generation. he's well read, thoughtful, and considerate (in terms of thought)..
love this long form discussions he does. :-)
The most dangerous people in history had high IQs.
@@LuisPerez-ft2rk so, you're saying that the individuals on the following list had really high IQs?
(Name, lowest estimate of deaths attributed)
Mao Zedong, 40MM
Pol Pot, 1.7MM
Vladimir Lenin, 1MM
Adolf Hitler, 11MM
Genghis Khan, 40MM
Joseph Stalin, 20MM
Qin Shi Huang, 18MM
Leopold II of Belgium, 10MM
Hideki Tojo, 5MM
Tamerlane, 10MM
Idi Amin, 0.1MM
because I would argue these are the most dangerous people in history.
please explain YOUR claim. :-)
@@LuisPerez-ft2rkdepends on who is in danger. People like Malice are only dangerous to those who want to wield power over the masses.
I agree
His anarchism presumes a civilised, neutred man that won't wage war on his neighbours.
It is simply unrealistic. Given absence of law I and I suspect many men would form gangs and attempt to take over territories. This is human nature.
Malice is enormously patient in explaining the same thing to everyone over and over. The „it’s already everywhere and we’re engaging in it right now” thing.
Because it's a clever semantic game but ultimately impractical and people intuit this. Malice gets to feel intellectually superior while reasonable people understand it's nonsense even if they can't articulate it.
@@kailaleebabineau3962it's not impractical. We are ingrained to default to a government or someone in power with thinking about how 'the world should work'. Anarchy isn't a government, it's voluntary relationships. Try to make a connecting thread to all the relationships you have in your life from the person who gives you change at a convenience store to your spouse. None of them are the same or have an exact formula, and that's a concept people have trouble grasping.
Try telling someone to do homework about the BTC network and what it is (the ascendancy which they will see soon in even their lifetime), only to find that even with everything to gain they'll still ignore you. I used to be patient with that, and now I don't have the time for it. But Michael is a speaker for a living, so it behooves him more. I generally agree with Michael but realize that ultimately I can only help people by physical actions/deeds or by praying, which I hope Michael ultimately comes to realize.
And I love him for hit. His long-suffering is our learning for the first time. He is trying to help us re-learn what comes naturally. I am eternally grateful for this mind.
@@kailaleebabineau3962 To call it a semantic game can actually be semantic game itself, but lets not go there. "WE" need thinkers to do what they do while rest of the work is on us.
The Gulag Archipelago is an epic story of my grandfather’s hell and other millions like him. It took me 6 months to read it in small portions so my heart would not break. I knew very little from my grandfather because after he was released, he had to agree that he would never talk about it. He said very little; that he was there 6 years, that only 20% survived, that it was so cold that by the time spit reached the ground, it was already frozen, that the food portions were 1/2 pond of bread and one herring a day, that they worked cutting wood, berried dead bodies only in summer months when the ground was not frozen. He did not say more, but he screamed in his sleep often.Only after he died, my grandmother said that people there ate dead people. His greatest wish for us was that his grandchildren would never be hungry. I, on the other hand always knew that you should always be the most aware of your stupid neighbors. Stories of the Gulag Archipelago's caliber could caution privileged generations who never had to experience the horrors of what humans can do to one another. Perhaps the eyes could be open then, and gratitude, respect, grace, kindness, and generosity would have a chance to develop.
It is happening NOW in CHINA AND NORTH KOREA AND IRAN
Well said.
Propagandist @@rosesoulis1840
Thank you sharing your family's experience, so many people are clueless. More people should read Gulag Archipelago.
Most people are too lazy to read 1984 or animal farm.
Copy pasta?
"im not brave enough to be a coward, i see the consequences too clearly" is the Ayn Rand quote.
But Ayan Rand DIDN'T see the consequences of actually adopting her ideas. She assumed that there would be something in human nature that would mitigate the negative effects over time and population size.
@@lewisjohnson8297What negatives? And where have her ideas actually been adopted?
Malice is a fantastic guest. It was great to see him on the show, Tom.
I appreciate Malice hammering home the reality of how few individuals are actually capable of mentally processing complex scenarios.
That is something that intelligent individuals literally cannot conceive of, because they can think.
Well said
Even as I get older and become less full of myself, is my IQ just average and I can't manage these situations, or is my IQ high and I'm just really good at thinking about excuses to do what I wanted in the first place? I know at least I'm better than my father who was never curious about anything in his life except how much money his neighbors made.
Wrong. Sorry.
@@permaculturemom9848 examples?
@@Pangora2 Every classroom I've ever taught in.
Note: The totalitarian clock turns faster the closer it gets to midnight and if it hits 11:45 in the US, it’s already dawn in Canada.
Say what?
@@shirleyhill2982 oh 😅..sorry, let me rephrase it
Your gay
Malice is the best, smartest voice for freedom in the world today.
He is annoying AF i unsub this guy, think he is kinda of a farse...and it make sense since anarquism is bul&*@
Capitalist democracy? Only possible in anarchy.
Dave Smith could very well be right there with him
@@Pau11Wa11 Hell yeah, absolutely. Davey Smith was my introduction to MM. And Ol’ Woodsy is how I discovered Dave.
And you were my introduction to Dave smith!@@Scientist_Salarian
This has got to be one of the most interesting conversations I've watched on your channel. Thank you!
most confusing you mean
Yeah. Im listeningbat 4 AM half asleep and am like wow.
So far, I’m hearing a lot of words, but so far, not useful info….
This conversation was almost TOO good in that each of them made dozens of statements that got my mind spinning off in its own direction. There was one 40 second stretch I had to replay 5 times until my brain clammed up so I could absorb what they said. Queueing up more of each of these guys to view later...
If you like M. Malice
Listen to Lex Fridman
He is amazing as well
I’ve listened to the first 10 minutes of this podcast and Michael his spot on an absolutely awesome. Everything he’s saying so far I 100% agree with I did not know about anarchism, but that is what I’ll be defining myself as going forward. Can’t wait to watch the rest of this podcast.
America was founded upon a sort of anarchical system. Government power was severely limited to almost zero, and the states ruled themselves with a Government by the people. That is what a government by the people, for the peoples means, a sort of anarchy.
You need high quality population for that to work. Something like that will be a disaster in the Third World, where I live.
@@mudra5114 At what point does idiocy and incompetence become such a hamper to others that these people need to be dealt with?
Great comments. The U.S. DID start off with great concept, love it. As per the 2 replies, great and true points. I've been thinking about all, how can anyone with a pulse, living in America today, not be. So, where did we go wrong? I don't think is that simple, or we'd simply, correct. The US has had it good for s long time, and during the "what appeared to be, good-times, " humans being flawed, as we are, and our population growing, as it did, I think we started to allow capitalism, run amok, and as everything became about : getting ahead, but being real greedy about it. The rational being, the "market";will keep his, "in check". But we at same time as chasing wealth, we lost our focus on America, became to involved in making money, exploiting world markets, and once everything was a "big hustle", minus any self-awareness, we lost our moral compass, corruption became "part of the game" among politicians and they in turn, solicited the media, who were more than apply to enrich themselves, by supporting a political agendas. Next they targeted, the schools- universities. The agenda was set, because we had become global facing, rather than, committed to America and our American struggles. So, with the Tech boom, the amount of wealth hits the stratosphere, however,, neglecting the diligent, responsibilities to defend our American values and addressing, the difficulties, our population began to grow negative, and instead of being honest, the politicians and wealthy, were happy with their easy, do nothing, while becoming extremely wealthy, ...they didn't want to rock their boat - being in denial for decades that: we are all on the SAME BOAT, SND MANY, LIVING IN RALITY, BECAME MORE UNHAPPY. THIS IS WHEN THE FACISM BEGAM, A COLLUSION BETWEEN DC(Fed Government), the Media, and Wall Street + big banks,big tech, big POWERFUL, wealthy industries to keep Americans , "OFF THE BACKS OF OUR ELECTED REPS. IN DC,AND TO KEEP, THE ELITES OF WALL STRRET , BIG MONEY ETC., EMPOWERED TO RAPE ALL THE WEALTH,MTHEY BECAMR NOT ONLY CORRUPT, BUT IMMORAL, ATHEISTIC, AND ALL THE VALUES THAT WOULD CORRECT SND KEEP, IN GOOD ODER,OUR AMERICAN EAY OF LIFE, CAME UNDER ATTACK.N THEY USED MEDIA, AND ACADEMIA TO : Divide Us. And, our smart global enemies saw this opportunity, and infiltrated our media and culture to create further DIVISIONS, DESPAIR, DEPRESSION, DEATHS. USING SOCIAL MARXISM, IDENTITY POLITICS,- allowing children in elementary schools to be socially transgendered, ie. teachers calling them by names of an opposite sex, and NOT TELLING PARENTS, EHAT WAS HAPPENING. FAMILY DRS. WERE ALSO, ASKING PARENTS TO LEAVE THE EXAM ROOM, SO DRS. COULD TALK TO KIDS ABOUT TRANSGENDERING, ABOUT GAY SEX ETC., AND KEEPING ALL SECRET FROM FAMILIES, ALSO SCOOLS FOR KINDERGARTEN THROUGH8th grade, having up to 8 different books, several copies each, in the school libraries, and when parents found out, in terrible ways, and pints went to school boardmeetings to demand the books be removed, it was the parents that were not allowed to SPEAK-OUT AGAINST, AND PARENTS REMOVED., ANDTHIS TREND OF NOT ALLOWING FREE SPEECH, ANYWHERE, IF YOU WERE AGAINST THESE, ANTI-American, ant-family, anti-Christian Ir any conservative religion or American values,ppl would loss permission to FREE SPEECH, BEING CANCELLED FROM SOCIAL MEDIA, BEING FIRED FROM MEDIA OR NEWSPAPERS, BEING FIRED FROM HOSPITALS AND SCOOLS, BEING FIRED FROM ANYWHERE, THIS WAS A CULTURE WAR, TO TAKE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS AWAY FROM CONSERVATIVES, AND EMPOWERING RADICAL LEFT, IN OTHER-WORDS, MARXISM, HOWEVER; BY FOCUSING ON ISSUES LIKE ABORTION, OR HIRING MINORITIES, EVEN, IF A NON- minority person was qualified,Mandy a person of color was NOT QUALIFIED, IT CAUSED MORE AND MMORE, LEGITIMATE DIS-Unity AMONG AMERICANS, WHEN, IN FACT, THE REAL ISSUES THAT MATTER, LIKE GOOD GOVERNMENT POLICIES TO MAKE BETTER AND MORE JOBS,MTOBSTART PRODUCING OUR OEN OIL AND GAS, TO MAKE DRIVING, AFFORDABLE , TO MAKE HEALTHY FOOD AFFORDABLE, TO STOP THE PROMOTION OF WARS, SO THE MILITARY ARMS MANUFACTURERS , STAYED RICH, AND TO FOCUS ON TH REAL DIVIDE - America has one REALITY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BECOME EXTREMELY WEALTHY, LEVELS OF WEALTH, NEVER SEEN BEFORE, HOWEVER, THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY, EVEN WITH HSRD WORKING ADULTS, CAN NOT AFFORD BASIC NEEDS: HOUSING, FOOD, GAS, CLOTHES, CHILD EXPENSES ...SO, THE TRUTH, THST NO DEMOCRATS ARE FICING, THAT ALL DEMOCRATS ARE DENYING OR MAKING EXCUSES OR, TALKING ABOUT : RACIzsM, ABORTIzozn and THE ENVIRONMENT,AS ARE THE MEDS , DOING/USING THE SAME TACTICS - wHEN, THE ENVIRONMENT , RACISM, AND ABORTION, ARE NOOR $5/ hr or LESS,!!! WE WILL NEVER SURVIVE, AŁSO, WE NEED LEADER THAT UNDERSTANDS HOW TO DEAL WITH CHINA AND RUSSIA AND WILL START PRODUCING OUR OWN GAS AND OIL, NEEDED BY TRUCKS THAT DELIVER FOOD AND CLOTHING, THAT PUT GAS IN OUR CARD, AND THAT WE NEETO HEAT OUR HOMES, WITH WINTER COMING, ELECTION ÍS IN NOVEMBER. KAMALA HARRIS HAS HAD A I TOP 3 ISSUES RUINING SMERICA. AMERICA NEEDS LEADERSHIP THAT WILL CREAT POLICIES,!! To MAKE AMERICANDS HAVE THEIR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS, MOSTLY TO HAVE A SECURE BORDER' SO LEGAL AMERICANS CAN GET BETTER JOBS OR ANY JOBS, PAYING WAGES THAT SUPPORT A DECENT LIVING, AND WITH OPEN BORDER, ALLOWING PEOPLE TAT WILL WORK, CLASSISM (The haves vs. the have Nots), and of course, using our American, "sore spot", of a 100 years of "racial" crimes, became a civil war, became, a culture & civil rights struggles, and so, the Media played that up. As our social divisions, were pounded daily via Media, and on campuses, via critical theory, identity politics and DIVISIONS BEGAN TO TEAR APART THE HEART AND SOUL OF Americans, largely by lies, corruption, and embellishing racial tensions, which, if not for activists, being $$paid & media & academia & politicians (not to mention domestic enemies that had infiltrated our borders , using spies, largely using BiG Tech and Social media. We now know that government agencies began to actively divide Americans further than ever, when Trump began to fight back, and represent the Americans that until he was in office, had no one powerful and wealthy enough, and strong & fearless enough to speak out against conspiracies, against Chins, against constant wars and MIC,against all the LIES ABOUT RACISM, against unnatural activism, being both corrupt, stealing $100s of millions, about Covid being, man-made, about leaving southern border open to ANYONE FROM AROUND WORLD, MOST, APPROX. 80% involved in gangs, in anti- American assaults, via drug cartels, killing with China /Mexican Fentanyl,: allowing illegal, over millions to compete for jobs, allowing wealthy foreign investors to invest in real estate and land and markets making home ownership, far to expensive,and theMedia working "HAND IN GLOVE" to KEEP DEMOCRATS IN OFFICE, AND ALLOW POLICIES THAT ARE, ANTI FAMILY, ANTI LAW & ODER, POLICING, THEREFORE, allowing RIOTING, allowing people to steal fro stores, wyithout police enforcement, DENYING FREE SPEECH, WHEN A CONSERVATIVE SPOKE UP,MBUT,ENFOC RING,MFALSE LAWS, TO JAIL TRUMP,MHIS LAWYERS, HIS ADMINISTRATION...THE REASON YHEY ATTACK TRUMP IS NOT BECAUSE HE IS BAD, IS BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE AMERICA,HOW IS DESIGNED BY CONSTITUTION.
TRUMP EAS NEVER A POLITICIAN, BUT HE SAW THE, U.S. BY ENEMY COUNTRIES AND BY DEM POLITICIANS, WHO WERE ACTING AGAINST EVERYDAY, AVERAGE, GOOD AMERICANS, THAT WANTED SAFETY, THAT WANTED NO MORE ILLEGAL ENTRIES, THAT WANTED TO END SEX SLAVE GANGS SND DRUG TRADE CARTELS TO STOP ATTACKING AMERICANS, TRUMP, GOT SMERICA PRODUCING SO MUCH OIL AND GAS, THAT WE WERE ENERGY INDEPENDENT, WE HAD MORE JOBS AND BETTER WAGES, SND AS SOON AS DEMOCRATS: Biden& zkamala got back in:;stopped Energy production ,MAKING GAS SO EXPENSIVE, and making Russia and Iran top energy-producers , at a time of insanely expensive pricing ,SO, NOT ONLY DID BIDEN & Kamala ruin our economy, but, theirTERRIBLE WEAK FOREIGN, made zrussia and Iranbsovweslthy, and both counties started wars
TRUMP 2024 ❤ OUR HOPE FOR ALL AMERICANS FUTURE IS MAGA@@susanthursdays5008
Btw! That was a beautiful writing of all!
Despite being a subscriber of anything and everything Michael Malice, I often don’t trust my UA-cam algorithm to suggest new videos of him and I have to run a search for him just to be sure. Thank you, Tom, for having him on your show.
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Coworker 20yrs ago suggested Alex Jones to me, I then found Ron Paul, Directed me to Tom Woods, which led me to the Mises institute, in turn I found Michael Malice. Journey totally worth it.
What, no Dave Smith? You missed out on some great comedy 😉
I came by Malice through an entirely different route, but his perspective has greatly broadened my mind and enriched my life and I’m eternally grateful for all his hard work.
Now all you need is Gnostic Informant..
And Chuck Swindoll.
Now move to Alan Watt not Alan Watts
36:56 "No robbery. No theft. VERY FEW grapes" 😂
I don’t share the same world view as Michael, yet I enjoy hearing him. He’s very good at pointing out human hypocrisy.
3+ hrs of Michael Malice....yes please!!!
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Sorry, don't have that much time. What is he all about? Can't someone shorten it?
@@ingehanson no, he's already short enough
@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 Pure genius. I tip my hat to you sir.
Our government is 20x too big! Smaller is better and more free.
20x is an understatement, 20,000x, possibly more too big
would it be too democratic to vote on public deletion of all government positions and holders of those positions (notice how I parsed my words so as not be deleted)
Sometimes I wonder if when I talk to a statist, my opinions scare them so much they leave our conversation and proceed to create a LARGER government. 🤔
It's infinitely too big, because it exists.
Our Government has 23.7 million employees 443 agencies with a new agency
being created every month...
THINK ABOUT THAT!
ITS TIME FOR GOVERNMENT TO GO BEFORE IT CONSUMES AND KILLS
US ALL...
Wow! Amazing interview. Im 68 & this opened my mind to a new way of thinking.
As for Michael Malice, I listen to his podcasts and whenever he is a guest on someone else's podcast. I can only say "Thank You" for your voice and beautiful thinking. There is no one to match your brilliance and way of explaining what you actually teach people.
This man needs to be seen / heard by everyone.
Not by me. It was goofy, teen punk stuff.
@@song8777Hears the word anarchy, and critical thinking shuts off. Proves the point of Malice that anarchy isn’t for everyone. It is for some who benefit from it.
36:56 "if everyone thought like me there would be no murders, no child abuse, no robberies, no theft, and very few rapes." 😂😂😂
That was hilarious!
Notice he didn’t say “no” rapes 🤨
that's communism??????????
Man that’s cray how he said that with a straight face face
I didn't stick around long enough to see if he called him out on the rape comment
I very much like Michael's train of thought. He very easily demystifies the reasons why many people have limited belief structures. Excellent interview!
It saved me from so much frustration. I needed to hear it again though because I forgot haha.
Tom is one of the best interviewers I've seen. Smart, sincere, curious, honest, bold, this makes such a great conversation to listen to.
Arrogant,pretentious,annoying,dressed up like a child...that's your Tom to me.
I can’t wait for this to finish because I’ll forget to mention this!
I read The Gulag Archipelago in junior high school ( I’m 69) !!
That book was so profound. It blew me away. -and open my eyes to things I couldn’t imagine
I love this guest and I’m gonna get his book and I love impact theory -you’ve both got a fan!!
First time getting exposed to Michael Malice. Thank you for picking such a smart person to interview. He's so kind and disagreeable at the same time. He can say he thinks you're very intelligent, while also telling you how he thinks your wrong. So hard to find someone who brings such genuine integrity to a conversation. 10/10 interview.
And so we as Americans were kind to each other during the pandemic to those who didn't want to be vaccinated? There were enough Americans who could easily perform self-righteous snitching on their neighbors and even family members to feel important.
They would still do it today. And they will also do it when we tilt fully into unpopular climate change policies.
Everyone sat back and watched their neighbors lose their businesses.
@@E_Clampus_Vitus You do not speak for me.
I like this guy, Malice. He's very difficult to nail down, argumentative and frustrating. Talking to him seems like playing chess. I would get frustrated and irritated, but I like him because I think he is not harmful and helps people grow.
Difficulty and irritation r necessary for growth and survival.
Correction: He doesn't see the world the way you do. He refuses to simplify the irreducibly complex to create an artifical social construct that justifies a system he knows is wrong.
@PierzStyx so is it that his ideas are irreducibly complex or that he refuses to simplify them? And if you think communication of complex ideas requires creating an artificial social construct, then you are not as intellectually superior as you seem to think, condescending puke. This is not a correction, but a failed attempt at an insult.
@@PierzStyx I’m trying to decide if he always argues for a good purpose, or if he sometimes just does it because it’s habit.
I have a sister that argues constantly for what she deems necessary, but it’s for social justice. Woke social justice accomplishes wrong ends, yet she argues on and on…
I’m wondering if he’s accomplishing changing people’s views for the positive or is it just more words…?
He seems to be to society what the book " So you don't want to go to church anymore" was to Christians... would explain exactly why so few can understand him. He operates on the first person principle entirely. What can you do. Not what people can do. Not what the government can do. You personally.
Unfortunately, that is extremely unpopular. Because most people don't actually want to do. They Want something that they can say, And other people take care of it. It is why michael absolutely refuses to use the word should. Should says this is what you must do. What you must do and what I must do are completely different... And so I cannot tell you should.
In my community , I often say this is where we're going and what is going to happen... And routinely get blocked and muted for it... Because it's not a question of what should be done. The question is what is happening, And that's where you're going to have to start from.
One of my most important teachers taught me to eliminate “should” from my vocabulary… As Yoda also said: “do or do not do…”
Malice’s instance on not accepting “we” is fundamental to his philosophy “you do not speak for me” …semantics are what allows someone philosophical consistency.
Edit: this comment was originally intended as a response to someone complaining about Michael’s semantics… accidentally posted in the main comment section.
He simply believes in the individual over the group.
@@snicklefritzfry Agreed, but is he is one of a few voices who realize and enable us to realize that we, the individual, are the beginning of all great movements. If you learn of eastern Asian cultures they will always be 2nd as they as are great collectivist, but not individualist. Most Asian companies are HUGE, and work across many industries, where in the USA we have many individuals companies offering more choice. Because of this individual mistakes are inherently smaller and more quickly forgiven by the market. Thus enabling people to learn more and learn faster.
But it is semantics, telling podcast listeners they “should floss everyday” is the same thing as telling them “floss everyday”.
Being disagreeable is great only when it offers something to the context of the conversation. This is informative content, majority of listeners are here to know what they “should” do.
@@CookingcousinAnd Malice articulates that with people being wired differently.
@@geesixnine Hey I’m all for mindfulness of the mouth, but let’s call it was it is. Semantics is semantics.
tom has done a lot of interviews , this might be one of the best and most important he's ever done , top10 at least imho ; thank you michael for saying what needs to be said/heard
Wouldn’t it be great if politicians could have the respect for each other like these two guys?
"I want a governor who can stand for something" was a great missed joke.
Wow, I just understood it after seeing this comment and grinned like an idiot
I don't get it 😔
I am pretty sure that it has to do with Greg Abbott, Governor of Texas.
@@Outlawstar0198 Texas governor is in a wheelchair.
@@gregoryhines7 holy shit lol
Michael Malice and Dave Smith are two of my favorite people that I agree with almost all of what they say.
we have to rollback the state
malice is smart, dave smith is a fool.
Tucker, Glenn Greenwald, Michael Schellenberger
Both are total fools @@sjuvanet
@@sjuvanet they agree on almost everything so you’re kinda contradicting yourself
This was a masterclass in communication.
No joke, when they were wrapping up I felt like standing up to get the mission of my life going. It was highly stimulating.
Host needs to read the Machievellians, which is Malice's top book recommendation. Malice basically just spent 3 hours doing an ad hoc analysis based on that book.
Amazing conversation! I am humbled by my inability to comprehend it all.
Thanks for being part of my journey!
How many were introduced to Michael via the Lex Friedman podcast? I was. And now I enjoy him a quite a bit.
I find him a little to "everyone's stupid but me" for my taste. He makes a lot of points about people having zero self-reflection, I think he's spent too much time on twitter; it seems to be the place to go to experience that sort of person (and you might end up seeming so yourself, limited to a paragraph, not to mention every third person was a bot, and at least IME, still seems to be so.)
@@NickMak-m2c I'm sorry you took that personally
I was introduced via Tom Woods
@@liberty193 *a very failed podcaster
@@mentalcasanovaand you are?
Ive already adopted many anarchist principles in my own life and found much peace and happiness.
Malice is the goat
What a refreshing and sober conversation about governance and an honest appraisal of democracy's inadequacies.
Once I saw the Dr.Pepper with a gray box on it, I couldn't unsee it.
Last two guests were total bangers Tom, keep em coming.
“the voluntary society is the source of order that comes from freedom itself. There is no contradiction or even tension between liberty and security. If free enterprise works well in one sector, it can work well in other sectors too.”
- Gustave de Molinari
Close but real evil can only occur when the majority is blindly obedient to authority. See the banality of evil by Hannah Arendt.
Saying “Real evil can only occur when ____” seems like you’re leaving room for a great deal of very real evil that occurs under many other circumstances. Do you mean that literally? Or do you mean the evil that occurs accross an entire society like nazism, communism, and slavery?
That was not her point at all. Her point was that everyone inevitably creates emotional bond with "the truth" and is capable of joining and participating in any sort of totailitarian society and comiting even attrocities against any percieved treath. "Nazis" were not special in any way,they were you and me in a situation where we see one group or few groups as the threath - like vaccinated vs unvaccinated where we percieve "the others" as a treath to us and are ready to use force to "defend ourselves" but only one side has The State on its side and capability to commit atrocities or implement terror.That's why Michael's ideas are important,to prevent state's terror state should be abandoned otherwise it always becomes (or is from the begining) totalitarian,that's how we humans normaly behave.
She (H.Arendt) was ostracized from Jewish intelligencia for her comments about the "banality of evil" after Eichman's trial in Israel where she was dissapointed and against those show trials where particular people are portraid as particulary evil and "special". Outside of a few psychopaths all humans are "normal", but capable of similar cruelty regardless and should be treated "normaly" like everybody else guilty of the same crime. Eichman hasn't killed anybody personaly so why should he be executed but thousands of "murderous" soldiers let go? That was and still is controversial idea since we all give highest blame to the leaders for evil commited but not to the foot soldiers who bring those terrible ideas to fruition. And all those foot soldiers are normal people too so there's no "justice" possible,only revenge. And to do that "reasonably" we choose to punish leaders most severly. She sees that as similar behaviour but from "our side",we punish percieved symbols of evil to create symbolic revenge which might also be evil in itself.
See also Mattias Desmet's "Mass formation" about the subject.
Who's truth is the big question.
@@lisabeam8315 no that’s the point that most miss about atrocities. There will always be conflicting truths but it takes a blind obedience to authority and punishment that results in the worst horrors.
I stopped looking for explanations ever since I started reading the Bible. As a kid I never followed and I always questioned why? Why is it so easy for people to be persuaded into doing things that are obviously immoral? I’m not saying I’m special, we all have family, friends, and coworkers that will agree on bombing children in Gaza. Why? It doesn’t benefit you to agree with such approach. It’s obviously immoral. Are they scared to be ostracized? Is there repercussions for disagreeing? Yes. But Why? Logically asking questions and criticizing actions can only benefit the nation from making further mistakes. So the conclusion for me is very simple. It’s just Evil. Evil from a Christian perspective. The same evil that tortured a innocent man to death for a degenerate collective. There’s nothing else that can explain it. You look through out history the same events happens over and over again. It leaves me dumbfounded. And I’m pretty fucking dumb. Leaves me asking the same questions every single time. How could you? And why would you? It’s just crazy honestly. It’s actually not that deep. I think people keep digging to try to reason with their own soul. Anarchy isn’t possible. But an overpowered government is worst. The sooner we can collectively agree on Morals the sooner we can get back to normalcy.
This man is awsome
I respect Tom so much for having these conversations! He is the man in the arena!
The exploration and clarity in the variety of ideas in this tussle of a conversation was worth it. Mahalo both for the conversation!
"Once you introduce women, society is impossible"
- Michael Malice
😂he so casually inserted it, which amplified the landing
I feel like Tom didn't want to dig any deeper on that assertion. lol
@@brazoon1 Even as Tom is exposed to reality, deep thought and the harsh reality of Man & History, he is clinging onto his Woke identity, or he is a Coward. I always like his guests more than him. (even the guests I disagree with, if they present facts, facts is facts,
No lie detected
Michael Malice basically saying why he might like men instead of women. It just makes more sense to him if that’s the way he views the world 😂
Freedom is such a silly word to describe America. The highest incarceration rate around the world, and has an institutionalized mass surveillance program (Patriot Act) in the name of freedom.
How do you know AMERICA has the highest incarceration rate......you are trusting other governments to yell the truth.....that one always makes me laugh
@@rosesoulis1840so you believe every country is lying is about their prison populations and incarceration rates? Is the U.S. lying too? Do you have evidence for this?
@@rosesoulis1840The US has privatized prisons. Follow the money and also look into bail bonds also and you yourself will come to the same conclusion.
Freedom is what America was all about prior to the criminal government
Freedom doesn't mean people don't have to follow the rules. It means people get to have a say in what the rules are.
Tom, what Michael is saying is that a method where we choose preemptively who will lead us, rather than allowing the natural order to choose, is not only irresponsible but ineffective.
2:39:00 BINGO Michael nailed it. It’s a matter of IQ and for some reason people of above average IQ refuse to accept the reality that a large % of people (> 65%) do not have the mental capacity or desire to change their wiring and programing let alone understand what the host of “hoping”
Malice is the GOAT. Great job by the interviewer.
White pilled man, he might be new to some ppl here, he is very well read! Have fun with this one folks! ❤😊
findyou whos hiding more like your all to busy committing and fabricating crimes crimes lol
Watching the kid from soul plane have a stroke trying to understand Malice is hilarious
This was one of the most interesting conversations I have listened to recently. Great job to both the host and the guest.
2:31:13 honorable man 2:31:48 I talk about it all the time. 2:32:42 2:33:12 You are a good man. 2:33:53 Absolutely!!! Thank you.
This is such an interesting conversation 🎉
Michael drinking Dr. Pepper.... he's a true Texan now Y'all!
lol right 😂
hes not a Texan lol
But does he call it a coke first and then clarify that he wants a Dr Pepper?
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I think this is one of Tom's best interviews. I genuinely appreciate the constant measuring of terms and defining of thought to make you think very specifically to clearly articulate an idea.
"Say that in another way". I love you Tom. Beautiful process and humility
I love Tom's questioning style. I tune in for all things Michael Malice, because even when I don't agree I feel reasonably challenged to consider my position or unseat his. I feel like I've seen Tom before, but this and an interview I watched yesterday really made me appreciate how he directs things. "Okay, that's two things, I'll ask you to unpack that later but let's finish this topic." And so on.
53:21 - This was me vs. my college roommates. If I did anything creative or outside the box, much less pushed them to, they were very dismissive, or even ridiculed me for it.
Ive followed Michael Malice for years, the more I think about his ideas, the more convinced I am that many of his ideas would indeed improve humanity as a whole
Yes, like a Marine boot camp. Learn to take care of yourself in demanding situations.
He really understands true liberty
Lack of personal responsibility/accountability is what's destroying America, especially minorities. That's all he's advocating for in a nutshell, stop delegating responsibility to others, it's your job.
Love the honesty of the statement, in the situation “once you introduce women, society is impossible.” Even as a woman, I agree 💯
Me too.
What do you suggest, removing women and instead growing people in artificial wombs, in barrels? Replacing humanity with a new species? Sounds like some LGBTQMA+ theory.
Very thought provoking!
This topic of thought and what control we have over it is an inner conversation I always have with myself, great to hear you guys try to outwardly chisel out some of these concepts, even as hard as it is.
Tom is having trouble seeing how deeply indoctrinated he is. I love that he is trying.
Bingo. As are many of the people in the comments.
He’s definitely not as smart as Michael thinks he is if it took Tom time and other peoples efforts to show him blm was a crock 😂
@@darbyohara I'm not here to insult intelligence. Even when you are smart, it's hard to break free from deep programming. Tom is clearly smart, though I'm not sure exactly how much so.
@@outlierz1796 it’s not hard. Smart people are curious thinkers and skeptics. They don’t just go along then realize years later after someone tells them they were duped
@@darbyohara Yes but the fact that Tom is actually willing to engage in debate is at least proof of some intelligent activity in his brain. Most people not only lack that ability but even run from it.
Great conversation fellas.
Malice is outside the BOX!!!
This guy is so bloody brilliant. He's saying the same things I've been saying for the last 10 years. This is so refreshing to hear it be put on a platform where it will be heard by a plethora of people this is so necessary🎉
"WE" love you Michael. Your welcome!
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The majority of the humanity loves Michael, if you're using Toms definition of "we".
@@-whackd No. Was laughing at 'your' and you proved it.
@@noseyparker6969Are you laughing because you understand why ‘your’ was used instead of ‘you’re’, or do you find grammatical errors funny?
This conversation is a reason to be optimistic for humanity.
Jeremy Rener is smart af
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google offers to translate to english, and when I click yes translate it, it just removes the AF lolz
Breaks my heart to know so many people are missing it
Good job onthe discussion.
excellent work
Wow! New ideas for me. Thank you.
So many different perspectives throughout this podcast. Mindblown/scared/optimistic all rolled into 1
"I want a Governor who can stand for something." - Michael Malice on Gov. Abbott.
Thanks Tom. Great interview
Excellent 🕊️🦅
Love Tom! These chats are so good when you hunger for some good conversation.
"I want a governor who can stand for something," and Tom just let that sail right over the plate.
Michael is such a powerhouse of a thinker 💥
211k people watched this video, 5.4k liked it. There are 8 billion people on the planet. That's 5400 compared to 8,000,000,000. Michael Malice is correct. As usual. Most people, the vast majority, won't even engage with critical thinking willfully let alone be good at it.
Edit: Just finished watching completely and I have to say Michael Malice is incredibly reasonable. Tom is not an intellectual match for this individual. I haven't seen the Lex Friedman one yet I'd be interested to do so.
I believe there are 4 Lex podcasts with Michael. They are neighbors and good friends. Reading this comment section, particularly those that either can't understand the concepts discussed or make a comment about Michael's pointed semantics are the people Michael is specifically talking about. They either lack the cognitive ability to comprehend the concepts discussed or are simply not interested because of the work involved. I suppose it's possible they just clicked the wrong link and 'thought' this was a Whistlin' Diesel video.
Very interesting conversation. Michael Malice has, IMO, very brilliant ideals.
Asset forfiture talk needs to be heard by everyone.
I love you, Michael Malice. Your clarity is delightful.
Big question: what is your view of international power competition? I am libertarian bordering on anarchist. However, it appears to me that the strong dominate the weak. It feels to me like i want a security apparatus to protect me from a large state with a regime i don't like from coming to exert more power of me. What is your view?
Michael definitely won't answer YT comments but who's more likely to exert power over you, some foreign nation or the very 'security' apparatus that you speak of? Does an invasion/occupation of a 1st world nation in 2024 by such a nation actually seem feasible to you? What would be the upside for them vs the nightmare that they'd encounter because of (unrestricted) modern technology?
Interesting question, I suppose you shouldn’t be weak and more trouble than you’re worth, although that hasn’t deterred the USSR or USA from tangling with Afghanistan. What are you willing to give up in exchange for that protection?
I feel like the answer to that question was at least tangentially touched upon somewhere in this three hour video.
@@johnnyshanksalot8358 thanks for the thoughtful reply
In this example I'm imagining an avatar anarchist utopia with no central or large scale government entity. Imagine everyone in the US just stopped caring what the central government thought and stopped paying taxes. In that scenario, I imagine that neighbors would start to take chunks.
The point is that I think this issue of geographic security is a weak point in most libertarian/anarchist conceptions.
@@polysaturated that last question is, I think the whole ball game.
Despite being very freedom loving, I worry that there is an inexorable evolution toward a small number (maybe Even just 1) security states exactly because size matters.
Michael … you are really talking about good Christian values that used to be taught in schools. A core value of love your neighbour as yourself (treat others as you would like to be treated.) A good understanding of right and wrong morally and consequences. The youth have no concept of this, received no balanced inputs so are lawless today as a consequence of our corrupted education.
Anarchism doesn't equate to Christian values...it's not really a value system. I do think it is better to have a personal philosophy, and ideally one that leads to happiness in your life and avoids creating misery in others. But if your value system is in line with not harming or trying to control others then you can live as an anarchist.
I think morality is critical to functioning anarchy and that the tenets of Christ are the only real source of morality in man. Anarchy works among non believers because they can have morality instilled by god and still be completely unaware of it.
Decentralism is a better term. It encompasses everything of substantive importance about anarchism as Micheal Malice presents it, without invoking all the misconception that the term anarchism brings.
DECENTRALISE EVERYTHING.
Decentralise protection. Decentralise business.
Local values rule. Local products rule.
The technology to suppoprt decentralised energy and goods production is almost here.
I agree, this also adresses most 'scale problems' we see in the world as it is right now, because most of them simply disappear. Building a semiconductor factory at a very local level might a bit tricky, but we can worry about that later because there are quite literally hundreds of more pressing issues.
I also think it would help make people more open to it, but then again, some people simply just aren't interested in doing the work.
Thank you Tim for bring Micheal Malice on. Great minds wrestling with how to make life make sense in how we engage with people and problems to flourish as a culture!!
Thank you for this interesting and mentally stimulating conversation!
How have I never heard of Michael before?
I’ll be buying his book asap
You kept up with his brilliantly quick mind too!!
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