Excelllent, & your voice & narration are great. In other videos, do you discuss Lizzie attempting to buy (prosic) acid the day before? And the two victims suffering from what may have been food poisoning a day before. Both very suspicious.
Thank you so much! I believe I make mentions of both those events in here but it's hard to tell what does and does not have bearing on the case! I agree both those things are very suspicious! There's just so much mystery in this one.
She had only been back home for 4 days when the murders happened.. her, Emma and Uncle John had gone on a few weeks trips..Emma never went back to the house before the murders. I think they all did plan and play a part some how. Stilllll such a fantastic true crime.
First of all, very nicely done presentation! I like the way you also take an Occam's razor approach and start just with the known facts and end up suggesting events unfolded for the murderers without recourse to far-fetched lurid wanderers, dubious illegitimate sons for whom nobody has produced good evidence, or even less believable wishful-thinking. I'm going to paste a more concise version of my theory that I posted as comment on another Lizzie you tube video. Once again-- though there are things that are baffling about this case, including an almost super-human quick clean-up of the murderer twice--- the idea of a murderer entering the house waiting unobserved after the first blood-soaked murder more than an hour to commit the second, and then running blood-- soaked out of the house onto reasonably bustling 2nd street in Fall- River around 11 am on a Thursday unnoticed, never mentioned by any witnesses to disappear unknown into the city-scape is completely looney. I begin with little nearby trips earlier in the summer both sisters took outside of the little house that had become this intolerable prison for them. Why?........... Lizzie and, likely, Emma, who had taken those little short trips away from home for a few days-- just in July the month before the murders, along with Lizzie's spending a few days in a local boarding house in Fall River itself just a week or so before the murders, had plenty of time and opportunity unheard by the parents to PLAN the thing. Lizzie seems the "alpha' of the two sisters by this point in time, and Lizzie alone had the 'stolid" constitution as described by the police interrogators after the murders. Other than money and freedom from the tyranny of their step-mother and the demands of her relatives on their father's fortune, Lizzie had particular gall against Abby as motive. Also, according to the terms of Andrew Borden's will, Abby might GET EVERYTHING if she survived him--- especially if the rumor about the plan for changing of the will's terms are true. If they hadn't done in Abby, and first, they could thereby triggering the terms of Abby's own will (or her family's legal claims) if Andrew had died first (cutting who knows how much from the inheritance of both Borden sisters!) Therefore, the ORDER of the killings (Abby killed first thing in the morning whilst Andrew was gone on errands) and time of death determined was the only way that Lizzie and Emma were assured the whole of their dad's fortune. Personally I believe the best explanation of how the murders were masterminded and executed that fits all the conundrums that have baffled law students and others intrigued by this case for over a century, is the following: In the weeks before the murders, they contacted and acquired an accomplice-- an assassin, and probably a polished professional one- during the planning sessions away from the house in the incidences I mentioned above in these weeks and the month of July before the murders. It was likely feared that Emma (delicate and sensitive as she was) might break during an interrogation if present and thus suspected by police, so planning on Emma being away visiting dressmaker friends out of town for the assassination date kept the situation more simple. The advantages of this scenario is both that Lizzie would have a second person to do the killings while she assisted (see below) , leaving her spotless of blood with her hair unmussed, and that Lizzie could serve both as someone to bring the pails to help the hired assassin do a cursory clean up and change of clothes and Lizzie could serve as a lookout, for an opportune quick dash time for the quickly cleaned up assassin to then leave the house unobserved after Andrew's murder---possibly from the rear side toward the direction of the barn to exit the property,. If this happened after Andrew's murder whilst Lizzie (mis)directed maid Bridget to immediately go out (toward the front of the house in the appropriate direction) to go and fetch Dr. Bowen, it would all fit the time frame for the assassin's exit. I realize there's no proof of an assassin being hired to date, BUT I BELIEVE this scenario, for one, would fit ALL THE FACTS in this case. What about the he bloody "menstrual" rags bucket in the basement ? That the police had the Victorian delicacy not to scrutinize closely when Lizzie informed them it was her "monthly time" was convenient and fit the sensibilities of the time period. This bucket certainly could have been the temporary storage place of any blood clothing items from the assassin, until after the house was otherwise searched or researched again, but never the bucket itself in detail.Until Lizzie (assisted by then-returned Emma?) could get rid of these bloody clothes. The reason I believe this scenario, is that since WE KNOW Lizzie was present in the house during both murders, her claim that she didn't hear anything out of bounds until the "moan" of her dying father around 11am doesn't hold up in the least .Extremely hard to swallow that she didn't hear or suspect anything during the bloody 90 minutes prior--especially the body of 200-plus pound Abby thudding on the second floor during the attack around 9:30 (it was found face down, and Lizzie's own testimony timeline put Lizzie just downstairs at the time the medical evidence showed Abby's demise to be.) . Lizzie would blame it on the "someone" who came in to "kill him" when speaking to the maid Bridget upon discovery of Andrew's murdered body---beginning the implication chain that unsavory immigrants, or an enemy of her father's, or a drifter, had simply "wandered in" to do the murder. Finally, I believe what throws most people off in trying to unravel all the complicated aspects of this case and reconcile what's possible is that they start with the 'rage mentality" of the killings and immediately assume this was committed by a hot-headed person with no self-control, with little or no premeditation, nor careful advance planning. That's got to be wrong. The crime scene was FAR TOO NEAT for there not to be premeditation---by which I mean, the total scene of the house was too tidy and not bloody, True, it was bloody enough near the bodies themselves--there was splatter there--but just a bit away away from the bodies of each of the Borden victims it was far too clean---no bloody footprints leaving rooms, no drips on the staircase from leaving Abby's murder, nor anywhere else on that floor leading away from the body, etc.. Either Scotty beamed the murderer out of each murder room(!) or there was cleanup for the murderer and pails of water or some similar thing ready, to be brought quickly in after each murder. The first pail could have been ready in Lizzie's own bedroom--just adjacent to the guest room where Abby was hacked to death. I've gone through the details of this case many times over the years, and It's always been the clean-up and lack of blood-soaking on an assassin that has led me to believe more than one person was involved in it there with Lizzie and was present. Getting the maid sent outside to wash windows was easily achieved--just a casual mention, for instance, by Lizzie that the windows of the house are so dirty could have triggered Abby to go into "the house has got to be clean!" shame mode, and so to ordering Bridget to clean the windows now, despite Bridget feeling so unwell. Brilliantly manipulative people easily use others in this flying monkey-like way..
Had there been a " hitman" (he) assuming it was a he, would have had to hide somewhere between the murders. Approximately 90 minutes? Where ever (he) hid, would have been covered in blood i.e., a closet. Additionally, prior to the murders, would Lizzie, or Emma, have had access to money to pay a hitman. I don't think so. Again, great video. Thanks
With travel being so laborious in 1892, I think it's very odd that the "uncle" showed up with no luggage. I like your comment, that he had only 1 set of clothes. Had he committed the murders, he'd have had nothing to change into. Also, where would he have disposed of the bloody clothing. Are you suggesting the sisters hired a hitman? Interesting!
Excelllent, & your voice & narration are great. In other videos, do you discuss Lizzie attempting to buy (prosic) acid the day before? And the two victims suffering from what may have been food poisoning a day before. Both very suspicious.
Thank you so much! I believe I make mentions of both those events in here but it's hard to tell what does and does not have bearing on the case! I agree both those things are very suspicious! There's just so much mystery in this one.
She had only been back home for 4 days when the murders happened.. her, Emma and Uncle John had gone on a few weeks trips..Emma never went back to the house before the murders. I think they all did plan and play a part some how. Stilllll such a fantastic true crime.
First of all, very nicely done presentation! I like the way you also take an Occam's razor approach and start just with the known facts and end up suggesting events unfolded for the murderers without recourse to far-fetched lurid wanderers, dubious illegitimate sons for whom nobody has produced good evidence, or even less believable wishful-thinking. I'm going to paste a more concise version of my theory that I posted as comment on another Lizzie you tube video. Once again-- though there are things that are baffling about this case, including an almost super-human quick clean-up of the murderer twice--- the idea of a murderer entering the house waiting unobserved after the first blood-soaked murder more than an hour to commit the second, and then running blood-- soaked out of the house onto reasonably bustling 2nd street in Fall- River around 11 am on a Thursday unnoticed, never mentioned by any witnesses to disappear unknown into the city-scape is completely looney. I begin with little nearby trips earlier in the summer both sisters took outside of the little house that had become this intolerable prison for them. Why?........... Lizzie and, likely, Emma, who had taken those little short trips away from home for a few days-- just in July the month before the murders, along with Lizzie's spending a few days in a local boarding house in Fall River itself just a week or so before the murders, had plenty of time and opportunity unheard by the parents to PLAN the thing. Lizzie seems the "alpha' of the two sisters by this point in time, and Lizzie alone had the 'stolid" constitution as described by the police interrogators after the murders. Other than money and freedom from the tyranny of their step-mother and the demands of her relatives on their father's fortune, Lizzie had particular gall against Abby as motive. Also, according to the terms of Andrew Borden's will, Abby might GET EVERYTHING if she survived him--- especially if the rumor about the plan for changing of the will's terms are true. If they hadn't done in Abby, and first, they could thereby triggering the terms of Abby's own will (or her family's legal claims) if Andrew had died first (cutting who knows how much from the inheritance of both Borden sisters!) Therefore, the ORDER of the killings (Abby killed first thing in the morning whilst Andrew was gone on errands) and time of death determined was the only way that Lizzie and Emma were assured the whole of their dad's fortune. Personally I believe the best explanation of how the murders were masterminded and executed that fits all the conundrums that have baffled law students and others intrigued by this case for over a century, is the following: In the weeks before the murders, they contacted and acquired an accomplice-- an assassin, and probably a polished professional one- during the planning sessions away from the house in the incidences I mentioned above in these weeks and the month of July before the murders. It was likely feared that Emma (delicate and sensitive as she was) might break during an interrogation if present and thus suspected by police, so planning on Emma being away visiting dressmaker friends out of town for the assassination date kept the situation more simple. The advantages of this scenario is both that Lizzie would have a second person to do the killings while she assisted (see below) , leaving her spotless of blood with her hair unmussed, and that Lizzie could serve both as someone to bring the pails to help the hired assassin do a cursory clean up and change of clothes and Lizzie could serve as a lookout, for an opportune quick dash time for the quickly cleaned up assassin to then leave the house unobserved after Andrew's murder---possibly from the rear side toward the direction of the barn to exit the property,. If this happened after Andrew's murder whilst Lizzie (mis)directed maid Bridget to immediately go out (toward the front of the house in the appropriate direction) to go and fetch Dr. Bowen, it would all fit the time frame for the assassin's exit. I realize there's no proof of an assassin being hired to date, BUT I BELIEVE this scenario, for one, would fit ALL THE FACTS in this case. What about the he bloody "menstrual" rags bucket in the basement ? That the police had the Victorian delicacy not to scrutinize closely when Lizzie informed them it was her "monthly time" was convenient and fit the sensibilities of the time period. This bucket certainly could have been the temporary storage place of any blood clothing items from the assassin, until after the house was otherwise searched or researched again, but never the bucket itself in detail.Until Lizzie (assisted by then-returned Emma?) could get rid of these bloody clothes. The reason I believe this scenario, is that since WE KNOW Lizzie was present in the house during both murders, her claim that she didn't hear anything out of bounds until the "moan" of her dying father around 11am doesn't hold up in the least .Extremely hard to swallow that she didn't hear or suspect anything during the bloody 90 minutes prior--especially the body of 200-plus pound Abby thudding on the second floor during the attack around 9:30 (it was found face down, and Lizzie's own testimony timeline put Lizzie just downstairs at the time the medical evidence showed Abby's demise to be.) . Lizzie would blame it on the "someone" who came in to "kill him" when speaking to the maid Bridget upon discovery of Andrew's murdered body---beginning the implication chain that unsavory immigrants, or an enemy of her father's, or a drifter, had simply "wandered in" to do the murder. Finally, I believe what throws most people off in trying to unravel all the complicated aspects of this case and reconcile what's possible is that they start with the 'rage mentality" of the killings and immediately assume this was committed by a hot-headed person with no self-control, with little or no premeditation, nor careful advance planning. That's got to be wrong. The crime scene was FAR TOO NEAT for there not to be premeditation---by which I mean, the total scene of the house was too tidy and not bloody, True, it was bloody enough near the bodies themselves--there was splatter there--but just a bit away away from the bodies of each of the Borden victims it was far too clean---no bloody footprints leaving rooms, no drips on the staircase from leaving Abby's murder, nor anywhere else on that floor leading away from the body, etc.. Either Scotty beamed the murderer out of each murder room(!) or there was cleanup for the murderer and pails of water or some similar thing ready, to be brought quickly in after each murder. The first pail could have been ready in Lizzie's own bedroom--just adjacent to the guest room where Abby was hacked to death. I've gone through the details of this case many times over the years, and It's always been the clean-up and lack of blood-soaking on an assassin that has led me to believe more than one person was involved in it there with Lizzie and was present. Getting the maid sent outside to wash windows was easily achieved--just a casual mention, for instance, by Lizzie that the windows of the house are so dirty could have triggered Abby to go into "the house has got to be clean!" shame mode, and so to ordering Bridget to clean the windows now, despite Bridget feeling so unwell. Brilliantly manipulative people easily use others in this flying monkey-like way..
Thanks for sharing your ideas and the compliments! I always try to tell the true story but Lizzie's has so many loose ends!
Had there been a " hitman" (he) assuming it was a he, would have had to hide somewhere between the murders. Approximately 90 minutes? Where ever (he) hid, would have been covered in blood i.e., a closet. Additionally, prior to the murders, would Lizzie, or Emma, have had access to money to pay a hitman. I don't think so. Again, great video. Thanks
That’s my main hang up with every theory was that no one was covered in blood nor was there a blood trail 🤷♀️
Lizzoe and Emma had substantial money in bank after the father bought the house he gave to them for 5k. About 150k in todays money.
With travel being so laborious in 1892, I think it's very odd that the "uncle" showed up with no luggage. I like your comment, that he had only 1 set of clothes. Had he committed the murders, he'd have had nothing to change into. Also, where would he have disposed of the bloody clothing. Are you suggesting the sisters hired a hitman? Interesting!
I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility!
She had more than a hour between murders..she had time to clean herself and change clothes..I know she did it
change of clothing was in the barn
ITHINK UNCLE DID IT