love class 37s and this is fantastic footage - amazing engine sound with the bonus of the steam train passing by in the smoke! also with a sense of humour mixed in - well done!
Hi. EE engines always hunt when cold. The oil is also cold and I understand this effects the ability of the governor to work effectively. Many also idle slightly off-balance, ours certianly does due to having a couple of Class 31 pistons fitted. These are theoretically identical, but even slight differences cause the power unit to idle unevenly. Doesn't do any harm though. Cheers, Tez
They're not actually the same car. If you look closely at the first one it has some kind of writing on the side, whereas the second one doesnt. Probably some kind of motor show on
@autoboybv No, the loco is a diesel electric, so to start you actually apply battery current to the main generator which turns the power unit over to start it.
Engine started by batteries that use the generator effectively as a starter motor . Engine is an English Electric 12CSVT - V12, turbo-charged and intercooled delivering 1,750hp. She's a beast!
37s are definitely the best of the British diesels. Up until my employers constructively dismissed me, I was going to be driving one of the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Railways's 37s this November. Sadly I won't get my hands on the throttle of one now. Wish I'd visited the Llangollen when this beast has been running! Frankly a 12CSVT giving it the beans beats my puny 1.3 litre Fiesta!
I used to work on a boat in Bideford that had a pair of old Gardner 6xlct engines, they done the same thing on very cold starts. One morning the fire brigade showed up on the quay after someone though we had a fire. But good as gold once they warmed up a little.
Must say, love the black five going by! Wasn't expecting that treat. Wish we would see that here in the US! I would love to go back to my birth country of England! Mariah Rich
Hiya. Thanks for the comment. She's a diesel electric, glad the video stirred some good memories for you. Happily, there'll be 37's running on both preserved and main lines in the UK for many years to come! Best wishes, Tez
Thanks! The A1 is pretty impressive and I believe there's a 'next generation' Standard 5 on a drawing board or CAD tube somewhere. 240 is started in the vid - it pulses when the oil is cold in the governor.
Brilliant capture...just love that sound and the smoke!! My Fairey Huntress powerboat with a Ford Sabre 275 in, could outsmoke that!! not a popular chap on the Hamble in winter!
@Vladimir42kem Many thanks for the comments from all the way over there in Siberia! I can imagine that running engines in those kind of temperatures must be rather challenging!
@PumbaRuben yeah, seconded. You can look down the exhaust stacks on these and see the turbine wheel of the turbo's! In my opinion thats the only silencing these get is the 2 turbo's!
Yes, very true. Many seem to forget that the alternative energy has been acquired using traditional fuels somewhere along the line! I never knew that for bio-diesel!
You are correct! Without sufficient air generated to operate the Governor or loco air brake, we were using the little YEC 0-4-0 shunter to move her away from the road.
I'm a train lover, but to be fair, that's a very good point you make. I know there is some debate/question if car/diesel/petrol etc emissions are as much to blame as some claim by some (including myself I hasten to add!), but cars ARE blamed for pollution no end. Why are trains not under the spotlight too? If a car smoked as much as this, it would be ordered off the road!
Now that would have been something to see, but best not smell! I visited Victoria and NSW back in 1997 and I distinctly remember it being quite chilly!
Thanks, a beast isn't she? It's deffo oil - 2 chrome rings had been fitted on B3 piston before we got the loco and this was causing oil to pass by into the cylinder and burn. The Llangollen is a preserved line and mostly uses steam. Google "Llangollen Railway" to find out more.
You're looking at around 10-20 minutes - the loco needs to generate sufficient air to release the brakes and control the engine governor before you can take power and move anyway.
Live next to a coal line for a couple of years, and you soon become familiar with all the different sounds of these beasts - when they're cruising along, when they're really pulling a load, or when they're in trouble. I've heard some very sick 37s in my time, and this reminds me of some of them. What's the problem with the motorists, though? Don't they like the wonderful smell of clag? ;) Mmm... takes me back. :)
Hi there, 37's generally tend to idle off balance like this, but I believe it's worse when they are first started due to the engine Governor hunting as the oil is cold. Thanks for the comments. You've got some impressive locos over in Germany - and you still use them to pull proper trains with carriages. In Britain our railwyas are mostly run by units - or nasty plastic buses as we like to call them!
Very true, and I'm glad someone sees my point! Don't get me wrong, trains are awesome pieces of machinery! I would love it if emissions/diesel clag from cars/lorries/ trains etc was found not to be as much to blame for climate change/pollution (or even if it was found not to be responsible at all!) Mind you, maybe some years in the future from now, i'm sure they'll find some 'fault' with 'green-at-the-moment' cars/lorries/trains etc to blame for pollution!
Thanks for the comments, glad you liked the vid. The white smoke before the piston ring change is oil passing by the rings and burning, nothing to do with fuel - that's the nice black plume!
No probs. Agreed, Deltics are ace! 37's are in daily freight use with DRS and EWS/DB, although the latter are down to around 2 working examples now. West Coast Railways use them for their passenger charter trains, usually top and tailing a steam loco. Network Rail have also just had four heavily overhauled for use on the Cambrian ERTMS project, which will see them based at Shrewsbury and working on the mainline for around another 10 years! Not bad for locos well over 40 years old eh?
@thomaspurbeck Thanks for setting me straight there! I know what a Deltic is, in fact I have made a vid or 2 mentioning the, and showing cutaway drawings. So they are class 55s, I will remember that.
Yes that's a very good point; emission per "weight" or "load" most probably makes it more efficient. The main point I was trying to get over people only see smoke, and if a car smokes even just a little, the greens are in a tizz! One point though, CO2 is invisible; the clag here is made up of other dirty particulates also, not just CO2. FTR, I'm not entirely sure if smoke/clag (or even CO2, seeing we humans and animals expel it out!) is as much to blame as ' the experts' say!
According to J. Harrison Fuel, they're very hard coke (no, not the drink!) used in room heaters and cookers. They seem to resemble charcoal briquettes that are used to fuel barbecues.
Reminds me of starting a very cold GE locomotive back in the day before switching the mill. A GE doesn't even come close to having the character of a Class 37.
The loco is preserved and operates ocassional passenger trains on the Llangollen Railway in North Wales. The line has been restored by enthusiasts as a tourist attraction and the regular trains are predominantly steam hauled. Thanks for watching.....
Old English Electric engines all smoke when they are really cold - as you see elsewhere on UA-cam. The design of this engine is 50 years old after all! If you look at the vid later, you can see the white smoke has cleared when the oil and coolant has warmed up a bit.
We have a 1952 EE built loco on our railway - a bit like a 'baby class 20', 6 cyl 6KST 750hp engine, and it certainly hunts the same, smokes too, when cold, but quite not this much. A couple of video clips of it in my first videos here (NZR class 'De'). 37 sounds much nicer once warmed up, with that extra 6 cylinders!
@PumbaRuben There's some rudimentary silencing, but not much! Glad you enjoyed. If you want to hear real noise, have a look at my other vids of her at work on the Railway!
Apart from the 4 hours of back-breaking work spent getting the lovely Black 5 ready for traffic! Head to head, 37 to Black Five? Think I'll have to split the winnings! ; >
love class 37s and this is fantastic footage - amazing engine sound with the bonus of the steam train passing by in the smoke! also with a sense of humour mixed in - well done!
One of my favorite vids ever, that engine sounds beautiful!!
from a time when we made stuff , real stuff that lasted in the UK
How right you are, Tom. Over 50 years old, and still in use. Wonderful. British - and the best!
Just thought I would point out that the 'Disgruntled Motorist' was the then Chairman of the Llangollen Railway driving past, giving a friendly wave !
Hi. EE engines always hunt when cold. The oil is also cold and I understand this effects the ability of the governor to work effectively. Many also idle slightly off-balance, ours certianly does due to having a couple of Class 31 pistons fitted. These are theoretically identical, but even slight differences cause the power unit to idle unevenly. Doesn't do any harm though. Cheers, Tez
At 1:45 did anyone else notice a glitch in the matrix? i'm sure that white MR2 passed by twice.
They're not actually the same car. If you look closely at the first one it has some kind of writing on the side, whereas the second one doesnt. Probably some kind of motor show on
@autoboybv No, the loco is a diesel electric, so to start you actually apply battery current to the main generator which turns the power unit over to start it.
im 17 man i love these sounds
0.34 - 0.42
"wake up, lazy bones! Why don't you work hard like me?" XD
Gotta love the stream train cameo, making sure it can still compete with the CLAGMONSTER
does more mpg than a vw diesel , euro 5 compliant , no recalls on this engine, no electronic cheating going on here
love the sound of these machines cannot stop looking at it
Engine started by batteries that use the generator effectively as a starter motor . Engine is an English Electric 12CSVT - V12, turbo-charged and intercooled delivering 1,750hp. She's a beast!
37s are definitely the best of the British diesels. Up until my employers constructively dismissed me, I was going to be driving one of the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Railways's 37s this November. Sadly I won't get my hands on the throttle of one now. Wish I'd visited the Llangollen when this beast has been running! Frankly a 12CSVT giving it the beans beats my puny 1.3 litre Fiesta!
Oh just listen to that mighty roar & they are something to behold!
Great Video, I had to laugh when the camera man started to choke on the smoke. I guess there is a price to rail fanning at times.
I used to work on a boat in Bideford that had a pair of old Gardner 6xlct engines, they done the same thing on very cold starts. One morning the fire brigade showed up on the quay after someone though we had a fire. But good as gold once they warmed up a little.
At 1:42 two identical white mk1 toyota MR2's drive by, what a rare and unusual sight!
Thee Adjudicator A glitch in the Matrix?
Buffy lol
LOL at the camerman choking! Nice work!
“Very cold”
Sees flowers blooming in the background
still cleaner than a vw golf tdi
Lol
Michael Jagger sounds like my old caviler first thing in the morning with that banging
Oh what a great piece of kit, English Electric rule. Drove her last March.....will be back again this year!
Must say, love the black five going by! Wasn't expecting that treat. Wish we would see that here in the US! I would love to go back to my birth country of England! Mariah Rich
Hiya. Thanks for the comment.
She's a diesel electric, glad the video stirred some good memories for you. Happily, there'll be 37's running on both preserved and main lines in the UK for many years to come! Best wishes, Tez
Thanks! The A1 is pretty impressive and I believe there's a 'next generation' Standard 5 on a drawing board or CAD tube somewhere.
240 is started in the vid - it pulses when the oil is cold in the governor.
Brilliant capture...just love that sound and the smoke!! My Fairey Huntress powerboat with a Ford Sabre 275 in, could outsmoke that!! not a popular chap on the Hamble in winter!
long live EE diesel power, and long live the class 37s
@Vladimir42kem Many thanks for the comments from all the way over there in Siberia! I can imagine that running engines in those kind of temperatures must be rather challenging!
@PumbaRuben yeah, seconded. You can look down the exhaust stacks on these and see the turbine wheel of the turbo's! In my opinion thats the only silencing these get is the 2 turbo's!
Yes, very true. Many seem to forget that the alternative energy has been acquired using traditional fuels somewhere along the line!
I never knew that for bio-diesel!
Being in charge of a locomotive in run 8 even for a few minutes is high on my bucket list. I wish you weren't across the pond.
Clagg overload - fantastic! I remember these from being a little girl. I miss them a lot.
Gorgeous, what a fabulous machine. Takes me back to the Lickey incline.
Love these sounds . The Steam Train sounds great too. I love the idle of this train
You are correct! Without sufficient air generated to operate the Governor or loco air brake, we were using the little YEC 0-4-0 shunter to move her away from the road.
Hellfire!!
"cameramen in distress", lol. How did the motorists indicate they were disgruntled?
oooohhhhhh the sweet idling sound just imagine what you can do with all that power! >:)
How could anyone dislike this video?
I'm a train lover, but to be fair, that's a very good point you make.
I know there is some debate/question if car/diesel/petrol etc emissions are as much to blame as some claim by some (including myself I hasten to add!), but cars ARE blamed for pollution no end. Why are trains not under the spotlight too?
If a car smoked as much as this, it would be ordered off the road!
It's almost making more smoke than the black five!
Now that would have been something to see, but best not smell! I visited Victoria and NSW back in 1997 and I distinctly remember it being quite chilly!
Man, that Class 37 made more smoke than the Black 5 did!
Absolutely hellfire
And it even outclagged the kettle
Nah, it smells lovely. Especially when mixed with drinking real ale!
Used to love watching these coming through Prestatyn.
Looking forward to another hot summer next year.
Polar bears? What ever!
Ta V Much like.
The power unit is an English Electric 12 cylinder. It's intercooled and turbo'd, knocking out 1,750HP.
Thanks for watching!
As a dyed in the wool steam man, I would say that is clag to die for.
Amazing diesel locomotive and cool smoke. Thumbs up! :)
Hi there. Wow, amazing that someone in Brazil is watching our 37 smoking away. Thanks for the comments!
Love the sound !
super dual team on the motorist!!!! lol 37 and black 5 what a tag team!!!!
you gota love the class 37 clag
February 2008. BR hasn't existed for over 10 years, but several privatised operators still have a few in traffic.
Best of luck with the Greenpeace sponsorship....
+TheSupercollier best way to piss them off start up a locomotive in front of them.
Awesome sound!!! Deltic power!!!
This isn't a Deltic though :P
You are right! I searched the wrong "class"! :)
that the same feeling as getting up every single before a warm cup of coffee!!
Thanks, a beast isn't she?
It's deffo oil - 2 chrome rings had been fitted on B3 piston before we got the loco and this was causing oil to pass by into the cylinder and burn.
The Llangollen is a preserved line and mostly uses steam. Google "Llangollen Railway" to find out more.
You're looking at around 10-20 minutes - the loco needs to generate sufficient air to release the brakes and control the engine governor before you can take power and move anyway.
Live next to a coal line for a couple of years, and you soon become familiar with all the different sounds of these beasts - when they're cruising along, when they're really pulling a load, or when they're in trouble. I've heard some very sick 37s in my time, and this reminds me of some of them.
What's the problem with the motorists, though? Don't they like the wonderful smell of clag? ;) Mmm... takes me back. :)
The smoke covering the road lol probably thinks electrics and hybrids are the future not aware this is a hybrid it's a diesel electric lol
Hi there,
37's generally tend to idle off balance like this, but I believe it's worse when they are first started due to the engine Governor hunting as the oil is cold.
Thanks for the comments. You've got some impressive locos over in Germany - and you still use them to pull proper trains with carriages. In Britain our railwyas are mostly run by units - or nasty plastic buses as we like to call them!
Very true, and I'm glad someone sees my point!
Don't get me wrong, trains are awesome pieces of machinery! I would love it if emissions/diesel clag from cars/lorries/ trains etc was found not to be as much to blame for climate change/pollution (or even if it was found not to be responsible at all!)
Mind you, maybe some years in the future from now, i'm sure they'll find some 'fault' with 'green-at-the-moment' cars/lorries/trains etc to blame for pollution!
The engine size works out at 185.5 litres.
The 16 cylinder version comes out at 245.3 litres.
Sounds like a 'royal endfield' ;o)
Bit of a toss up who made the most smoke, black 5 or type 37!
Thanks ! Really enjoyed watching that.....
Now that's layin' down the clag.
Thanks for the comments, glad you liked the vid.
The white smoke before the piston ring change is oil passing by the rings and burning, nothing to do with fuel - that's the nice black plume!
37240 sounds great👍
Cold oil in the governor I believe, although she does tend to tick over slightly off-beat when warm.
No probs. Agreed, Deltics are ace!
37's are in daily freight use with DRS and EWS/DB, although the latter are down to around 2 working examples now. West Coast Railways use them for their passenger charter trains, usually top and tailing a steam loco. Network Rail have also just had four heavily overhauled for use on the Cambrian ERTMS project, which will see them based at Shrewsbury and working on the mainline for around another 10 years! Not bad for locos well over 40 years old eh?
@thomaspurbeck
Thanks for setting me straight there!
I know what a Deltic is, in fact I have made a vid or 2 mentioning the, and showing cutaway drawings.
So they are class 55s, I will remember that.
i love this vid you can just hear the turbo whistling
Yes that's a very good point; emission per "weight" or "load" most probably makes it more efficient.
The main point I was trying to get over people only see smoke, and if a car smokes even just a little, the greens are in a tizz!
One point though, CO2 is invisible; the clag here is made up of other dirty particulates also, not just CO2.
FTR, I'm not entirely sure if smoke/clag (or even CO2, seeing we humans and animals expel it out!) is as much to blame as ' the experts' say!
this is far more worth watching than worrying about the ozone thingy!! :) Especially when the black 5 passed by!!
I can see why the Brtis love these things.. That engine was puffing out smoke like and old American GE/ALCo engine.. See we are not that different
+HoustonRailFan ™ we love rolling the coal.
Michael Jagger not every person loves rolling coal😒
5 star clag owsome !!!!
Not very environmentally friendly but I love the sound of 37s❤
According to J. Harrison Fuel, they're very hard coke (no, not the drink!) used in room heaters and cookers. They seem to resemble charcoal briquettes that are used to fuel barbecues.
Aye, she's a beast. We look forward to welcoming you back in the Chair Sir!
zontar would love this! nevermind green peace
That sounds amazing at the end.
That black five must have been pretty proud of himself....
Perfect video and sound even better
Lovely catch of both diesel & Steam :)
Hmmm, not entirely sure about that. However, I love the smell of cold start clag in the morning!
240 was awesome as usual today on the Llangollen ! :)
Reminds me of starting a very cold GE locomotive back in the day before switching the mill. A GE doesn't even come close to having the character of a Class 37.
Can someone tell me, is the rise and fall in revs the driver giving it throttle, or just the tick over?
All I can think of saying is My Lordz! What a Clag Tastic beast :^) Very HELLFIRE!
The loco is preserved and operates ocassional passenger trains on the Llangollen Railway in North Wales. The line has been restored by enthusiasts as a tourist attraction and the regular trains are predominantly steam hauled.
Thanks for watching.....
A very late comment, but who operates 37240 now? I understand Colas operated it for a time (and fitted OTMR).
dammit guys... we NEED this atmosphere. :-) :-)
Old English Electric engines all smoke when they are really cold - as you see elsewhere on UA-cam. The design of this engine is 50 years old after all! If you look at the vid later, you can see the white smoke has cleared when the oil and coolant has warmed up a bit.
LOL! I'd have to either set fire to the model or put a lump of dry ice in it to get the authentic clag in OO gauge!
We have a 1952 EE built loco on our railway - a bit like a 'baby class 20', 6 cyl
6KST 750hp engine, and it certainly hunts the same, smokes too, when cold, but quite not this much. A couple of video clips of it in my first videos here (NZR class 'De').
37 sounds much nicer once warmed up, with that extra 6 cylinders!
I think these trains have a lot of character
@PumbaRuben There's some rudimentary silencing, but not much! Glad you enjoyed. If you want to hear real noise, have a look at my other vids of her at work on the Railway!
Apart from the 4 hours of back-breaking work spent getting the lovely Black 5 ready for traffic!
Head to head, 37 to Black Five? Think I'll have to split the winnings! ; >
Simply awesome
lovely sound!!!