Look at Volkswagen. That's how cars are made. A gti is a golf, the r is a golf. There's a reason they don't bring a golf into the states, because everyone will be ripping on the gti and r, saying they are just golf's.
I called my local Acura dealership, earlier today, and asked if there will be a coupe version. Their actual response: "Naw, sorry...get the 400z, instead. That's what I'm doing."
@@greybush919 Problem with the BRZ is that I'm not a fan of the Sbarro engine and 2nd gear is ridiculously underpowered even with the 'fix.' Maybe that's just me being jaded from having a 92 Mitsu GTO TT AWD as my daily and it does 75 in 2nd without even blinking. Honestly, that car has ruined me for other cars. Considering a 2012/13 SL600 if I don't get a 400z or something new.
haven't been able to test drive her yet, but a lot of the reviews I watched said the torque dip had been fixed. my daily is an fxt which is the best cvt I ever driven it'd be perfect for me if it was offered in manual. cause I do get off the beaten path quite a bit, that'll be an inconvenience with the BRZ, just really want a manual gearbox again (plus starting to get close to the end of that cvt warranty)
this aint factory ricer, this is just some marketing corporate think tank abomination... "we want the normal non-enthusiast people buying this car to think it's special." Did they even talk about what the auto version is going to look like? Watch it have the civic CVT. The FK-8 Type R, now that's rice from the factory, and it's amazing.
I have a 97 too. In mint condition. Super disappointed in design and power with this one. It almost seems like they cheaped out on a 1.5 and just slapped a turbo on it for more power. The body design looks like every other Acura. Worst part is they didn’t come out with a sporty coupe. My integra slightly lowered reminds me of a small Ferrari lol
So I worked at Acura when the ILX was new. The ILX was an Integra. The new integra is an ILX. Just think of the name of being interchangeable. The RSX is an integra in name and architecture. The ILX just wasn’t externally called integra. The new ILX/Integra like Sean said, is boring. It didn’t hit the mark like they thought it would. Using the old nameplate was to invigorate sales because ILX just wasn’t hitting with the consumer market they thought it would. RSX had been gone too long for anyone to make the connection that wasn’t an enthusiast. TL and TSX turned into TLX. The TLX can be optioned like a TL or TSX and the driving dynamics will match. TL is a V6 TLX with AWD. A TSX is now 4 Cyl TLX with PAWS. Legend->RL->RLX The integra only left for years 2007-2012. It just got boring in 2013 when it came back. Integra of 2013-2022 has been hit hard by critics calling it a gussied up Civic Si with an automatic. It’s sales numbers reflected as such being a low volume seller and not a competitive vehicle either. I expect the new ILX/Integra to suffer the same fate. High sales year 1 (20k~ units) with sales tapering every year.
@musicac90 bingo - your comment is dead on and it's a shame "enthusiasts" are clueless about how car companies today need to operate as more people continue to move towards cuvs/suvs/trucks and hybrids/evs and away from MTs, ice, and coupes/sedans. (never mind emissions regulations and companies already committing to evs over ice). europeans share platforms across their brands, but their prices have much higher ceilings - but honda wants to provide an "affordable" entry-level luxury gateway car (with a manual!) and all the enthusiasts shit on it because it's not a 300hp 3-door for $25k that looks nothing like current acuras...just stupid.
If they made the TL AWD Type SH or whatever it's called with two doors and a manual...I'd consider retiring my 92 Mitsubishi GTO TT AWD. I've been a Honda die hard for most of my life but I just can't with them, anymore.
@musicac90 Acura is the performance brand now. Acura refusing to make a performance, or even dedicated coupe, for their performance brand should tell how how serious they are about selling performance cars. Not only that, but EVERY luxury marque sells a coupe, with the exception of Acura. Manufacturers do not look at low volume enthusiasts options to make mass market coupes. They have different shoppers. A person shopping for a civic Si will not crossshop a mustang or Camaro when they have the same entry level price and the latter outperform the former. Two different buyers. Honda just greatly missed the mark with this model. It’s just another ILX. There’s nothing special about this model over it’s predecessors.
For the love of all things holy , how hard is it to follow the original formula that everyone loved in the integra. Unique looking, sporty, light, manual, simple! Wtf is this abomination. Acura is turning into what nissan has been for years
@@Koolblue900 my post never mentioned the amount of doors so I am not sure the point of your reply although the most beloved one by fans is the 2 door.
How can you lose a customer but can’t afford the car anyways and we will buy it that’s not losing a customer. Don’t play Acura either. Blame the change of regulations because every Karmin effects in the world is getting neutered by them but it’s all going eventually to electrical. I don’t like it but that’s where things are going to get stuck in the past🤡🤡🤡
@God Trojan i agree but let's be honest. The original integra formula has not been used for almost 20 years now. They keep getting bigger and heavier, they have yet to try the opposite and try smaller and lighter
Looks fine as a standalone car but being a sedan when the Civic Si and Accord 2.0T both exist already just makes it come off as somewhat redundant in current year. I'm sure it'll be fine when it releases but IDK, maybe it's a bit lacking in the personality department compared to the GR 86 and Mk. VIII GTi (which I'd imagine are direct competitors).
The 86 is not a direct competitor since its a ground up sports car. Since its an Acura it would compete really with other entry level luxury compacts, like 2 series grandcoupe, the C class. As far as redundant, Honda at its peek was very redundant. You could by a CRX, Civic coup, Accord coup, Prelude, and Integra all at once.
@@air-headedaviator1805 CRX: lightweight sports economy car with a interesting design and philosophy Prelude: affordable sports coupe with good power and handling and farther upmarket than the crx and civic civic was a tried and true economy formula with sporty characteristics and the best of all world integra: a spruced up civic with more unique styling and some acura touches del sol: a civic but smaller and convertible notice how all of these differentiate from being "another civic" now take the badges off take out the lights and throw some bumper covers on and you will have no idea what's a TLX Civic or Integra probably what's an accord either. that's kind of expected of the tlx and accord but for the integra man. we just wanted something at least. it's a civic with a body kit
@@g_kamikazi this is special. Its a luxury civic si. What integras have been and always *were*. Its not a sports car. Not like the Z, or an S2000. I can’t say people can’t be disappointed in not getting a sports car, but they can’t be disappointed in getting an integra.
I don't think they did. It isn't a bad car, it just isn't an Integra. This is clearly just a yellow ILX which is cool but they need to stop using their 90s hype to sell us crossovers.
I think you guys nailed it when you said "we aren't buying new cars" as enthusiasts. Car makers sole purpose is to make money. As long as car enthusiasts don't buy new cars, the car makers aren't going to make what we want.
You say car enthusiasts aren't buying new cars yet the very same enthusiasts are paying new car prices for clapped out 90's jdms. Maybe if these manufacturers actually deliver on what many enthusiasts actually want-a back to basics jdm sports car (instead of a rebadged bmw)-enthusiasts would actually buy it new, as it would be a better deal than paying the same price for a 20-30 year old car.
@@Fun_Dips agreed. I bought a brand new FK8 type R (while I had a modded twin turbo 3.0 bimmer) and Honda made way more than people thought they would and they still sell out. Supra’s, new corvettes, anything BMW makes with an M badge… people will buy cars if they’re good. You can’t make a shit version of an iconic car slap a manual on it and say “it’s not selling because sports cars don’t sell” a car like this just isn’t good.
@@tommylee4135 When I say boring, I don’t mean to knock other body styles. If you scrubbed the Integra nameplate off this car it would be an amazing looking car, worthy of being called a new gen ILX. The problem is that the design language is uninspired, not that it’s bad. Also I actually like the Genesis coupe, especially the one that the tail lights seem to draw from.
And now because of this sorry attempt of a new "integra", when the sales suck and nobody wants it, acura will say " well people just don't want manual sports cars anymore" and completely give up on the platform. 🤦♂️
@@DFDubsports i don't think it is a self destructive plot as much as it is a department of people who are just out of touch with what cars like this mean to the enthusiast and people who were looking forward to a car that was exciting like the original. Many of these designers and bean counters don't even care about car culture or enthusiasts automobiles. It's just a job/business to them and nothing more.
And, they would be right, because they make the Accord and Civic with manual shifter superior to their competition and you do not buy them, why they should try it on their Acura brand which people already compare it to the Accord and the Civic How do you judge, what is wrong with you? Are you a hater or something?
@@squidproquo2241 I have no idea what you are trying to say. The manual civic si sells very well, at least it did last time I checked before the last generation. The type r was a huge hit although expensive and hard to get. This "INTEGRA" is boring looking and not exciting enough for a manual sports car lover to buy because of HOW IT LOOKS AND THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT DOING ANYTHING EXCITING. There is a reason you are not finding many people being positive about this car but yet MANY are praising the new Z.
Shoulda been smaller and shoulda had a high revving N/A. But im also a 8th gen si own, so I'm partial to crazy revving K20s. The DC5 is the last of the integra's
the other issue is the price. It starts long beyond the BRZ starting price, and is competing with the WRX/STI and the 400z... I mean come on, which would you rather have?
the brz/86 is a coupe, no comparison there. the z starts and tops out considerably higher and has higher performance, also a coupe - no comparison there. the wrx/sti you could argue, but the wrx looks pretty awful and probably won't have nearly as nice of an interior - the integra already looks more expensive.
I am just praying that they type S version will be 2 door and have the same 2L tubro 4 cylinder from the civic type r. Go out with a bang and break more fwd records
Or get a DC5/RSX, America and I think maybe Canada were the only 2 markets to use the ridiculous 3 letter RSX designation, everywhere else in the world it was an Integral
You know, when im shopping for wheels it is really important to me to know how much they weigh. It would be nice if you could put that info up about the wheels you sell.
If the designer make it a two door with the 90's integra like wing, then they have nailed it. The front and rear don't look bad, but the 4 door screams late 40's dad with kids.
@@zachhoward9099 i'm pretty sure the integra is getting a lot more features and it comes with the acura dealership experience over the si - it's already been confirmed the si is losing some nicer features that the touring trim has.
The 90's Integra with you are remembering was the Type R. The regular Integra was a 4 door car based on the Civic. Its pointless to expect the new Integra to be a two door coupe, when both the Civic and Accord Coupe was discontinued due to low sales.
I mean... the same could be said about the r35 gtr, mk5 supra, and Mustang Mach E. R35 looks nothing like r30/r31/r32/r33/r34 and should have been under the infinity badge instead of the Nissan badge. Mk5 has more bmw than Toyota (interior, chassis, and engine) Mach E is an Suv instead of a coupe. All 3 aren't bad vehicles, but it was a stupid decision and shows that the companies are sell outs willing to tarnish a legendary name in order to make a cash grab. Hopefully they make a 2dr version of this, that would be their only saving grace. As of now, this is a genesis coupe in a sedans body 😅
The R35 is the successor to the Nissan Skyline GT-R. It still carries on the GT-R’s lineage, AWD, 6 cylinder engine, twin turbo, flagship of Nissan’s lineup globally. It would make no sense to sell the GT-R as an Infiniti, since there’s literally no connection to that brand to the GT-R nameplate, and that’s a slap in the face more than anything. Mk5 Supra is a collab between Toyota and BMW. Both companies worked together to even make the vehicle viable and its costs on the market reflect that. In house Toyota’s (or Lexus’ for that matter), are low volume vehicles that are made with a ton of R&D and don’t sell very well. The LC500 is an amazing car but it costs $100k, if they had collaborated with another automaker like Yamaha or Lotus the car would be much cheaper to justify it existing. At the end of the day the GR Supra drives like a Toyota despite using parts from another manufacturer. And if the Elise and Exige, which are British sports cars can use Toyota engines, Toyota tuned suspension and a mix of Toyota parts on the interior, then why can’t the reverse be true for the GR Supra? The BRZ and the 86 did the same thing and no one seemed to care but with BMW working on the Supra with Toyota is where you and a few others draw the line?!? Make it make sense. The Mustang Mach-E is a crossover truck. Is it a traditional “Mustang”? No, but it’s a “Mustang Mach-E”, which is a vehicle that is not a traditional Mustang but uses some of its styling, which is heavily seen in the front and rear of the car. Both types of vehicles using the same nameplate can exist. The Shelby F150 is a thing that no one gets mad about but somehow a Shelby Mustang Mach-E is terrible? 😂 if Shelby thought the F150 was good enough for a Shelby version to exist then I have no doubt in my mind that he would have approved for an electric Mustang to be under that performance nameplate, whether it’s a 2 door coupe or a 5 door hatchback. Finally, the Integra went back to its roots and became the very thing it started out first as: a 5 door hatchback with an optional manual. And everyone that’s saying Integra’s can’t be more than 2 doors: The Integra started out in the 80’s as a 5 door hatchback and a 4 door sedan. The “coupe” came much later and even then that was a 3 door hatchback. The success of the Civic being offered for sale in a particular body style depends on the overall sales of that model as well as the potential for an Integra version of that body style. The Civic coupe didn’t sell in the numbers that Honda hoped for these past few years and the onset of Covid made it even worse, so much so that the coupe was discontinued. As a result the 3 door Integra hatchback coupe isn’t happening and it never will.
@@original__gmebvy The Gtr could have had a totally different name, that's the point. It could have been released under infinity as a beefed up g37 since it shares a stronger resemblance to that line of cars. Unlike the supra, it did not keep an inline engine. It took on a nearly identical v6 that the infinity runs and the fairladys run. The problem with the supra isn't the fact that it's a collab, it's that the car doesn't seem nearly close to a 50/50 or even a 60/40 for that matter. It's far more bmw than Toyota, and that wouldn't even be so bad if we at least got all of the bmw things. Like the fact that the z4 has a manual but the supra doesn't. Or that the z4 has a convertible and Toyota is still dragging their feet with the targa after showing it very well could be done. I'm glad you brought up the brz, that's a perfect example of what SHOULD have happened. No one is mad at that car because it's an entirely new entity, it's not pretending to be something it's not. No one ever said a collab was bad, and since there was no tradition to uphold it successfully established itself as a new tuner. Collab are perfect if they lower the price for manufacturing thus lowering the price for consumers, just don't bring up old namesakes when there will be HEAVY compromises on both sides. Lotus never broke tradition with their elise/exige and they're keeping it going with the emira, again, no problem there. They've had Toyota engines and they kept it going. They even managed to keep offering a manual. The Shelby aspect has mostly been seen as a performance line of ford cars. Not a specific model. So a Shelby f150 isn't seen as a negative because it's not calling itself a Mustang, it's saying it's got more power than a normal one, so essentially it's like the durango having a "hellcat" variant or the charger having a "hellcat" variant. The f150 didn't just up and change to a Mustang and the durango didn't start going by the name of challenger. As for the Integra, it has always had a sedan and coupe, the problem isn't that it revealed the sedan first as most of us believe a coupe will come later. The disappointment comes from the fact that it's so boring and looks like so many other cars they already offer. It has nothing original or unique, other than the fact that it copied hyundai's taillights. Yes an Integra was a beefed up civic, but it looked different. As someone who has owned a DC2 and a Dc5, neither looked like a civic. However this time around the civic is still faster which was a double hit to the new Integra since not only did it not establish its own identity, it isn't even faster than the car it will be compared to. Ironic since they're trying to rebrand Acura as the "Performance" line when it has always been the "Luxury" line. Hopefully when they do drop the coupe version of the new Integra it gets a major change. It wouldn't be the first time that happened. The genesis coupe looks nothing like the genesis sedan. Honda still has a chance to redeem itself. And as I stated before, not hating on the gtr, supra, or Mach E. I actually like them all, albeit with widebodies 😅 You are right about sales though, they keep making bad decisions in either the design department or the performance department and it keeps hurting them. Covid didn't help either. A prime example of bad decision making was their idea to make the nsx a hybrid. Though it is unique and offers something the 918 does at a FAR cheaper price, it did so by defeating its original mission. To provide supercar performance at a more affordable rate. Had they stuck with a rwd turbo and not implemented the additional electric stuff, the price would have likely been closer to that of the gtr and their sales would have been MUCH better. But since they decided to come in at the 150-200k mark, that took them out of the "affordable" bracket and no one wanted to drop that kind of money on an "uninspiring" or "compromising" vehicle when they could go buy a huracan, r8, porsche, Ferrari, mclaren for the same price. (Though again, the nsx looks damn nice)
@@original__gmebvy The proportions of the new Integra are all wrong. It looks marginally less worse here than it did in the Civic. A bloated rear end with shades of the Honda Crosstour. I swear the ghost of the engineer who designed that thing still haunts the halls at Honda.
This is a updated accord crosstour end of story it’s not a ilx due to the hatch so as I stand it’s a accord crosstour update…the car is fine not called a integra…the car enthusiast will not be buying this car this car will just be bought by the average person that wants a sedan just regular people.
If they made a separate small coupe platform and then raised the price to 40k to make a return on an investment, would anyone actually buy it? A FWD manual, small , sports coupe making probably less than 320 HP in 2022? No way.
Exactly. Only the diehards would buy it and then it would get discontinued early and Acura would lose even more money for doing such a thing with a one-off platform. The OGs are the only one that played themselves to believing that fan renderings of Integras that weren't even real was going to be official to Acura's design language. It's even more funny that the same so-called Integra diehards complaining about this new one being on the 11th gen Civic Si platform wasn't on older gen Civic platforms when it first came out.
320hp FWD coupe isn't farfetched and would work performance wise, but in markets on the western hemisphere where coupes are dying, like you said at the end of your comment, no way going into calendar year 2022. People have kids, are about to have a kid, or have full-size friends and putting people in the back of a 2-door/3-door coupe in the 2020s decade is not feasible and unacceptable now. 320-335hp with the new body style of the Integra with FWD or even SH-AWD (if it happens for a first time ever), 6-speed manual, and fully loaded as the Type S variant, hell yeah... in a few years.
@@ryanvtec3885 depends on the modes. Seam seal all removed and tig welded, sunroof removed with TypeR skin replaced and Frankenstein motor and transmission.
I don't mind it, personally. The Integra has always had a sedan option when it was called Integra. It's even had a 5 door liftback option. That being said, I feel like a lot of the disappointment people have with new models of a lot recent cars comes from the internet hyping up expectations then being burned when it doesn't pan out the way @InsertInstaHere thought it would in their render. The people who say they want these cars almost never buy them new. No manufacturer cares what these people think because they aren't getting money from them. If you wanted this to be a coupe, you should have bought the Civic Coupe brand new rather than used. As far as the horsepower goes, this car has what the older cars didn't: Torque. And no way they'll let the base model Integra have the same drivetrain as the Type R. Maybe the Type S or Type R variant of this will, but absolutely not the base model. This is going to be a much better car than the old ones were. Give it some time and let the Honda people figure out what can be done with it.
The only cool thing I saw in this vid was the merch at the end, I'm being serious. The supra V got a lotta hate, but it's a genuinely fun and good sports car with a hella of a lot of tuneability, and now there's a manual coming out? The 86, holy shit, Toyota blew it out of the water and soaked the shit out of us. They nailed it. Improved every bad aspect of the old while finely tuning little bits here and there to still make it an affordable sports car. The 400Z. Just look at it. *Chef's kiss* We all know it's gonna be a banger, just hoping the manual isn't a sloppy joe like BMWs. And now Acura with the integra... Ouch. It doesn't seem like they put much effort into it and are just using the nameplate to drive sales. I hope I'm wrong and that it drives just how you want it to, it feels connected, similar to the integras of old and that the manual is a genuinely good Honda manual.
They said they're bringing back the Integra and everybody just assume type r. The integra was a four-door sedan. Business wise does a four-door sedan make sense or type r.
I am an Integra Type R owner in Japan. When I first saw spy photos of the next gen Teg, I knew that it wasn't going to have the same magic as the DC2 or even the DC5 for that matter. First of all, no design continuity from the previous Integra models ...NONE. If no one told me that this was an Integra and there was no big ricey Integra sticker on the side, I would not know what it was. My first guess would have been a late model Accord. Whereas, you can definitely see design continuity between the four generations of the past models (RSX is an Integra.) But because of this major failure to bring back the style and flavor of the Integra family, my 23 year old DC2 just increased in value and is actually worth more than this new Integra. Integra Type Rs in Japan are now valued between $13,000 for one in crappy condition to up to $60,000 or more for one in pristine shape. Thanks Honda! Please making crap so the value of my car keeps going up!
You are either blind or illiterate about cars.. This Integra looks like the Honda CIVIC Hatchback which Integra's always been based on anyway. And if you can see any continuation design between the 10th and 11th gen Civic your reasoning might have had a valid point, too. But this is not possible either. So, you may be, neither blind nor illiterate but simply a hater.
“No continuity from previous integra models” oh so you don’t know your integra info? The 1st gen integra had a 5 door lift back just say you don’t like modern cars
@@Koolblue900 All generations except for the last one (RSX) had a 5 door variant, but I am sure that the expectation from true Integra fans is that if they are going to revive the iconic name, they should do it on a car that is based on their most popular model, the 3 door coupe and or Type R. Moreover, i was referring to more about the body queues like the notch back. This car looks like a really poor attempt at making the integra into fastback. Now it look a dog arching its back to take a crap. And its not that I don't like modern cars, I don't like nor appreciate crappy and misleading marketing, and trying to make us believe that these cars are going to be a continuation of the iconic history of their predecessors. This isn't just about the Integra, its also about Toyota's 86 and the new Supra which is really just a BMW. Its plain laziness, and a severe lack of effort in styling creativity. "Let's just create a TSX clone and slap a big Integra sticker on it and call it mission accomplished." Sorry, not buying it. Call this car something else, and head back to R&D and come back only after you come up with something worthy of the name.
@@bobbytheitguy4289 you have to consider that this is literally just a base. I feel like judgments shouldn’t come till the type s comes out. Folks are comparing this base car to dc2 R’s and that’s not fair in the slightest
People need to stop saying "maybe a 2 door in the future". No it doesn't work like that, this is it, Honda doesn't have 2 door coupe to sell you anymore.
I was looking forward to the new Integra and was disappointed and upset that they didn't or won't offer a 2 door model. Way too many 4 door family sedans with turbo engines need a 2 door Acura car again.
When u have hesitation and say “I think........ it looks ok..” that is a sign of.. nah.. is not.. u just trying hard to find something or anything.. to like it.. when a pretty car revealed! U be like “wooooooahhhhhhh” no other word needed.. that’s when u know that car is really pretty..
why people are attached to names is beyond me; if they never changed it to the rsx and ilx, no one would be saying a thing. people complained about letters replacing names and acura brought back the name and people still complain.
Acura is not going to come out of the gate swinging with the Civic Type R-derived Integra just like that. The 6th gen Type R is not even on sale or out on the roads yet. It needs 2-3 years to be built first. The higher performance Civic Type R-derived Integra Type S will come man. You gotta be patient and let the Civic Si-derived Integra get road time and sales time first.
@@entertained... because if the base looks like that, you really think the type R version is truly going to be any better? This is there foundation. If won't get really any better than this. Only way this is changing by such the horrible response it got they're go back to the drawing board and pull out a better plan and car but I doubt that... plus you think anyone will pay sub 40.5 to 50k for a type r version when the bigger brother will be in the same price range with more everything?
@@That_Stinger_GT5 i assume you mean type s? i doubt they will have an integra-r since we have the CTR state-side now. anyway, do you remember how many people whined about the looks of the 10th gen CTR? well, they sell each one they make and many over msrp. do i think the type s will be any better? i actually don't think much at all right now because we know very little about the difference between the si and base integra, that's why i think it's funny people are losing their shit. i'll wait to hear more details about the car and then see if the prices are justified - only time will tell if acura got the integra right based on sales volume and we won't know that for a while. the CTR msrp is around $38k and the integra-s will probably be around $41k. acura will not be building that many, and they'll probably sell all the ones they do make even with the dealer mark up. but again, time will tell, and that's why i'm not losing my shit right now. i just think people need to take the drama down a few notches right now.
It quite literally makes no sense to get the Integra. The Civic Hatchback not only looks better, but it cheaper and uses the same motor that you can just tune up to get the same hp
people should think of the integra as better appointed, more refined si. from my understanding, the si lost some features it had in the 10th gen and it is also missing some from the touring trim - i'm sure the integra will have those missing options and more. probably less nvh too. some people also value the premium dealership experience/exclusivity over the regular brand too.
The USDM intetgra Type r had a B18c5 that put out 195hp so the new integra only gained 5-10hp in 20+ years. The Usdm integra GSR (3rd gen integra) had a B18c1 that put out 170hp. The integra LS from the same generation had a B18b1 non vtec that put out 140hp.
Your comparing the new BASE integra to the type r. How is that fair, comparisons should come when the actual sporty model drops later. This base integra vs an ls integra is an actual upgrade
A first-time ever twin turbocharged inline 4-cylinder Integra Type S that'll be one of a kind that no other automaker would ever pull off. That would be dope and possibly make way more power than the TLX Type S.
i actually think the civic si looks really good, a lot more mature than the stupid fake vents and weird lines of previous generations. i was definitely disappointed with the integra, but i still think itll be cool
I love the new look. The Integra is basically a cooler version of an already cool car. The Civic. Don’t understand the hate? With the type R engine I can’t imagine a better car that I could afford.
I think the better thing that could’ve been done would be to name either the ILX Type S or the Acura CSX (a car only available to the Canadian market than the US market). Acura’s normally had more weight because of the “extras”, in my opinion. If these extras were things like active aero, SHAwD system like the prelude or something it would’ve been received better. Just my thoughts.
I said it somewhere before, but the only things they got right IMO are the manual and it’s yellow. There was a popular render going around where it looked way more distinctive as a sporty coupe with the wing and everything. I feel manufacturers, for enthusiast cars in general, need to listen to their fans and customers more often. 🤷♂️
Take off the Nostalgia goggles and try and think back to all those LS/GS models you saw over the years, not the suped up with aftermarket parts and Type R’s but those sedans with hub caps and even the original 5 door boxy one. Temper your expectations and understand, a Type S is also coming. Turbo, 6mt, LSD… and all the modern tech, it’s exactly in line with the interga name plate, but they don’t make coupes anymore, so don’t expect something nobody would buy anyways…. Including those most critical of it, the ones most critical are the ones who had the old ones, and those people have all moved on to BMW/MB/Tesla/GTR etc…. Those people wouldn’t buy an integra anyways, they’ve outgrown these.
Whoever buys one of these should bondo/paint the Integra stamps and order official ILX emblems from Acura. Now it’s back home where it belongs in the lineup.🤙🏽
All these company’s are just trying to bring back the names of cars we loved as kids and now that we are in our 30s and have the means to buy these cars they think we will flock to the dealer and buy one. Fuck that for the 40k plus price tag I’m sure this is going to have I’ll just go find an old da9 and k swap it.
Back in my day we would put integra engines in honda civics to have a super fast ghost car ,now the integra comes with a honda civic engine. 😒dispaionted with the new integra
If the Integra had retro styling like the 3rd gen but no one would have really cared if it was based of the civic, had the 1.5T, or wasn’t a coup. I think it was always wishful thinking to believe it wouldn’t look reminiscent of the current Acura line up, or expect it to be revised as a pure sports car. Just not the integra name. People were expecting Type R’s to be the new standard
The new Integra should have been a luxury version of the Civic SI/Type-R. And these manufacturers should be aiming directly at enthusiasts when they use an enthusiast name.
make it a coupe and a bit more aggressive front end and I'd be sold it's an integra. Regardless I think it has potential I'd like to see what people do with em
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Nissan just dragging it’s nuts all over everybody now
Left over civic shells and drivetrains is what happened 🤣
@@missrachel2 I wonder what happens if Nissan comes out with another RX model with a freaking rotary
Look at Volkswagen. That's how cars are made. A gti is a golf, the r is a golf. There's a reason they don't bring a golf into the states, because everyone will be ripping on the gti and r, saying they are just golf's.
Its all wrong
I called my local Acura dealership, earlier today, and asked if there will be a coupe version. Their actual response:
"Naw, sorry...get the 400z, instead. That's what I'm doing."
Nissan is dead G don’t buy that modern crap. Go get yourself a Datsun.
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I'd like a 1978 Datsun 280z...but finding a good one for a decent price is much easier said than done, as of two years ago.
BRZ for me, save a bunch of money and then I can put the 10k difference into mods. but yeah no idea why they didn't make this a coupe
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Problem with the BRZ is that I'm not a fan of the Sbarro engine and 2nd gear is ridiculously underpowered even with the 'fix.' Maybe that's just me being jaded from having a 92 Mitsu GTO TT AWD as my daily and it does 75 in 2nd without even blinking.
Honestly, that car has ruined me for other cars. Considering a 2012/13 SL600 if I don't get a 400z or something new.
haven't been able to test drive her yet, but a lot of the reviews I watched said the torque dip had been fixed. my daily is an fxt which is the best cvt I ever driven it'd be perfect for me if it was offered in manual. cause I do get off the beaten path quite a bit, that'll be an inconvenience with the BRZ, just really want a manual gearbox again (plus starting to get close to the end of that cvt warranty)
Call it what it is. A yellow ilx with a poorly placed Integra decal. Never thought a manufacturer could be a ricer lol
this aint factory ricer, this is just some marketing corporate think tank abomination... "we want the normal non-enthusiast people buying this car to think it's special." Did they even talk about what the auto version is going to look like? Watch it have the civic CVT.
The FK-8 Type R, now that's rice from the factory, and it's amazing.
The current Civic Type-R is already a "ricer"!
@@jayee88 Yup, the Civic Type-R is overstyled and ugly...
Great performance though.
@@Kev27RS by definition the civic type r isnt a ricer tho, everything on the car is fuctional and its a track ready car.
@@jasperherron5267 The car has fake vents and grills as far as I know.
I own a 97 integra and the new one disappoints me greatly. Like how does my 24 year old car have more displacement and almost as much horsepower.
And I bet it looks a lot better too
Sell it, probably the price is near to the moon now. Or keep it haha good looking car for sure.
@@aerok89 he should just keep it and care for it, prices I think are just going to go up
Thank Greta and the members of that cult...
I have a 97 too. In mint condition. Super disappointed in design and power with this one.
It almost seems like they cheaped out on a 1.5 and just slapped a turbo on it for more power. The body design looks like every other Acura. Worst part is they didn’t come out with a sporty coupe.
My integra slightly lowered reminds me of a small Ferrari lol
So I worked at Acura when the ILX was new. The ILX was an Integra. The new integra is an ILX. Just think of the name of being interchangeable. The RSX is an integra in name and architecture. The ILX just wasn’t externally called integra.
The new ILX/Integra like Sean said, is boring. It didn’t hit the mark like they thought it would. Using the old nameplate was to invigorate sales because ILX just wasn’t hitting with the consumer market they thought it would. RSX had been gone too long for anyone to make the connection that wasn’t an enthusiast. TL and TSX turned into TLX. The TLX can be optioned like a TL or TSX and the driving dynamics will match. TL is a V6 TLX with AWD. A TSX is now 4 Cyl TLX with PAWS. Legend->RL->RLX
The integra only left for years 2007-2012. It just got boring in 2013 when it came back. Integra of 2013-2022 has been hit hard by critics calling it a gussied up Civic Si with an automatic. It’s sales numbers reflected as such being a low volume seller and not a competitive vehicle either. I expect the new ILX/Integra to suffer the same fate. High sales year 1 (20k~ units) with sales tapering every year.
Genuinely surprised Honda missed the mark on this especially when the new 86 and Nissan z have been announced
They have to know exactly what they are doing. Sounds like they are trying too hard to find what was right in front of them 30 years ago
@musicac90 bingo - your comment is dead on and it's a shame "enthusiasts" are clueless about how car companies today need to operate as more people continue to move towards cuvs/suvs/trucks and hybrids/evs and away from MTs, ice, and coupes/sedans. (never mind emissions regulations and companies already committing to evs over ice).
europeans share platforms across their brands, but their prices have much higher ceilings - but honda wants to provide an "affordable" entry-level luxury gateway car (with a manual!) and all the enthusiasts shit on it because it's not a 300hp 3-door for $25k that looks nothing like current acuras...just stupid.
If they made the TL AWD Type SH or whatever it's called with two doors and a manual...I'd consider retiring my 92 Mitsubishi GTO TT AWD.
I've been a Honda die hard for most of my life but I just can't with them, anymore.
@musicac90 Acura is the performance brand now. Acura refusing to make a performance, or even dedicated coupe, for their performance brand should tell how how serious they are about selling performance cars. Not only that, but EVERY luxury marque sells a coupe, with the exception of Acura. Manufacturers do not look at low volume enthusiasts options to make mass market coupes. They have different shoppers. A person shopping for a civic Si will not crossshop a mustang or Camaro when they have the same entry level price and the latter outperform the former. Two different buyers. Honda just greatly missed the mark with this model. It’s just another ILX. There’s nothing special about this model over it’s predecessors.
For the love of all things holy , how hard is it to follow the original formula that everyone loved in the integra. Unique looking, sporty, light, manual, simple! Wtf is this abomination. Acura is turning into what nissan has been for years
The original integra was a 4 door hatch tho
@@Koolblue900 my post never mentioned the amount of doors so I am not sure the point of your reply although the most beloved one by fans is the 2 door.
Exactly. Lost a customer as a result. Many I expect…
How can you lose a customer but can’t afford the car anyways and we will buy it that’s not losing a customer. Don’t play Acura either. Blame the change of regulations because every Karmin effects in the world is getting neutered by them but it’s all going eventually to electrical. I don’t like it but that’s where things are going to get stuck in the past🤡🤡🤡
@God Trojan i agree but let's be honest. The original integra formula has not been used for almost 20 years now. They keep getting bigger and heavier, they have yet to try the opposite and try smaller and lighter
Looks fine as a standalone car but being a sedan when the Civic Si and Accord 2.0T both exist already just makes it come off as somewhat redundant in current year. I'm sure it'll be fine when it releases but IDK, maybe it's a bit lacking in the personality department compared to the GR 86 and Mk. VIII GTi (which I'd imagine are direct competitors).
The 86 is not a direct competitor since its a ground up sports car. Since its an Acura it would compete really with other entry level luxury compacts, like 2 series grandcoupe, the C class.
As far as redundant, Honda at its peek was very redundant. You could by a CRX, Civic coup, Accord coup, Prelude, and Integra all at once.
And the 10th gen fk7 being almost the same thing being a 1.5t plus a bit of a better looking hatch. The competition is tight in the markets these days
@@air-headedaviator1805 Yeah, true. But I think overlap was more common in the 90s to begin with.
@@air-headedaviator1805 CRX: lightweight sports economy car with a interesting design and philosophy
Prelude:
affordable sports coupe with good power and handling and farther upmarket than the crx and civic
civic was a tried and true economy formula with sporty characteristics and the best of all world
integra: a spruced up civic with more unique styling and some acura touches
del sol: a civic but smaller and convertible
notice how all of these differentiate from being "another civic" now take the badges off take out the lights and throw some bumper covers on and you will have no idea what's a TLX Civic or Integra probably what's an accord either. that's kind of expected of the tlx and accord but for the integra man. we just wanted something at least. it's a civic with a body kit
@@g_kamikazi this is special. Its a luxury civic si. What integras have been and always *were*. Its not a sports car. Not like the Z, or an S2000. I can’t say people can’t be disappointed in not getting a sports car, but they can’t be disappointed in getting an integra.
Acura completely dropped the ball on this.
I don't think they did. It isn't a bad car, it just isn't an Integra. This is clearly just a yellow ILX which is cool but they need to stop using their 90s hype to sell us crossovers.
Acura has NO BALLS TO DROP. If they did have any balls, the new Integra(ILX) would've been 2 door
Shut up
I think you guys nailed it when you said "we aren't buying new cars" as enthusiasts. Car makers sole purpose is to make money. As long as car enthusiasts don't buy new cars, the car makers aren't going to make what we want.
Cant afford a new car man.
very few people can afford new cars anymore it's overall a fairly small audience
You say car enthusiasts aren't buying new cars yet the very same enthusiasts are paying new car prices for clapped out 90's jdms. Maybe if these manufacturers actually deliver on what many enthusiasts actually want-a back to basics jdm sports car (instead of a rebadged bmw)-enthusiasts would actually buy it new, as it would be a better deal than paying the same price for a 20-30 year old car.
@@Fun_Dips agreed. I bought a brand new FK8 type R (while I had a modded twin turbo 3.0 bimmer) and Honda made way more than people thought they would and they still sell out. Supra’s, new corvettes, anything BMW makes with an M badge… people will buy cars if they’re good. You can’t make a shit version of an iconic car slap a manual on it and say “it’s not selling because sports cars don’t sell” a car like this just isn’t good.
I want to buy the new Z I’m just broke lmao
The Nissan Z and C8 Z06 stole 2021 for the car community.
I cant wait for the new z. saving up for the Nismo we'll see how it goes
What the rest of us are calling; the new "Acura Genesis ILX"
You mean some of the haters call as such.
The rear end looks like a Genesis Coupe, that's probably why you'd think its a Hyundai lol
That's EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw that rear, thank you for jogging my memory. Holy facepalm dude, these body styles are so boring...
@@dezkightz I like the rear end of Genesis Coupes, but yeah I get what you mean
@@tommylee4135 When I say boring, I don’t mean to knock other body styles. If you scrubbed the Integra nameplate off this car it would be an amazing looking car, worthy of being called a new gen ILX. The problem is that the design language is uninspired, not that it’s bad. Also I actually like the Genesis coupe, especially the one that the tail lights seem to draw from.
acura didn't want to make the wrx feel like a disappointment so they dropped the integra. i think that is cool how automakers help each other
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yeah, gels is 100% correct when he said it looks like EveryThing Else on the road ...to which i say: BORING!
And now because of this sorry attempt of a new "integra", when the sales suck and nobody wants it, acura will say " well people just don't want manual sports cars anymore" and completely give up on the platform. 🤦♂️
Interesting, i never thought about it that way. Could be a plot to self destruct themselves and give them an excuse to just sell suvs
@@DFDubsports i don't think it is a self destructive plot as much as it is a department of people who are just out of touch with what cars like this mean to the enthusiast and people who were looking forward to a car that was exciting like the original. Many of these designers and bean counters don't even care about car culture or enthusiasts automobiles. It's just a job/business to them and nothing more.
If companies actually did this they’d be bankrupt real fast. Manufacturers don’t spend millions to develop a product then quickly discontinue it
And, they would be right, because they make the Accord and Civic with manual shifter superior to their competition and you do not buy them, why they should try it on their Acura brand which people already compare it to the Accord and the Civic
How do you judge, what is wrong with you? Are you a hater or something?
@@squidproquo2241 I have no idea what you are trying to say. The manual civic si sells very well, at least it did last time I checked before the last generation. The type r was a huge hit although expensive and hard to get. This "INTEGRA" is boring looking and not exciting enough for a manual sports car lover to buy because of HOW IT LOOKS AND THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT DOING ANYTHING EXCITING. There is a reason you are not finding many people being positive about this car but yet MANY are praising the new Z.
Shoulda been smaller and shoulda had a high revving N/A. But im also a 8th gen si own, so I'm partial to crazy revving K20s. The DC5 is the last of the integra's
the other issue is the price. It starts long beyond the BRZ starting price, and is competing with the WRX/STI and the 400z... I mean come on, which would you rather have?
How much
400Z all day because new 9 speed and better styling and also it’s a way lot faster
the brz/86 is a coupe, no comparison there. the z starts and tops out considerably higher and has higher performance, also a coupe - no comparison there. the wrx/sti you could argue, but the wrx looks pretty awful and probably won't have nearly as nice of an interior - the integra already looks more expensive.
@@entertained... regardless that Integra shouldn’t even be into consideration, with its performance and price point
BRZ definitely, then mod it out to out perform the Z. I still can't believe how much the supra is, the 4 cylinders the price of the Z smh
Got me a dc5 a month and a half ago zero regrets.....
Nice I own an fa5 tuned full bolt on and love every minute of driving it
I let my DC5 go. I miss it. I have an FK8 CTR now.
Actually a base model integra had 140hp, the GSR had 170hp.
I am just praying that they type S version will be 2 door and have the same 2L tubro 4 cylinder from the civic type r. Go out with a bang and break more fwd records
I had a 2000 integra sedan and it was leagues ahead of this car. So disappointed
Gotta say the 400z and new BRZ/86 killed it over the other models
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THANK YOU!
You said it all!
People that never had an Integra and would love to have one, they will go the "old school" way and get a 90s model!
Or get a DC5/RSX, America and I think maybe Canada were the only 2 markets to use the ridiculous 3 letter RSX designation, everywhere else in the world it was an Integral
@@zachhoward9099 Or that.
Yes, not even Europe got that Integra generation.
They got the previous TYPE-R generation though.
I didn't realize it was that light. That's by far the most impressive part of this car. Most luxury cars weigh 2-300 more.
Of course it’s light. It has not interior. Wait until the put some guts into it
You know, when im shopping for wheels it is really important to me to know how much they weigh. It would be nice if you could put that info up about the wheels you sell.
This Acura is just another upbadged Civic/ILX with a giant Integra decal slapped on the side
Lol they had to write integra on the side because if they didn’t you’d think it was some Acura cross over or tl Lmaoo
If the designer make it a two door with the 90's integra like wing, then they have nailed it. The front and rear don't look bad, but the 4 door screams late 40's dad with kids.
They’re trying to market to those types of guys, problem is you can get comparable looks and performance for less with a Civic Si🤷🏻
@@zachhoward9099 i'm pretty sure the integra is getting a lot more features and it comes with the acura dealership experience over the si - it's already been confirmed the si is losing some nicer features that the touring trim has.
The 90's Integra with you are remembering was the Type R. The regular Integra was a 4 door car based on the Civic. Its pointless to expect the new Integra to be a two door coupe, when both the Civic and Accord Coupe was discontinued due to low sales.
Your comment made me laugh... as what you've described, I'll stick to my DA9 and EJ6!!
From a dad with kids 🤣🤣
@@soopainfinite same; i had a tsx when i was single in my mid-20's. i don't take anyone who thinks sedans are for dads with kids seriously.
I’ve never been more disappointed.
Finally been waiting for you guys to address this
It’s not the Integra! That car had a soul!
I mean... the same could be said about the r35 gtr, mk5 supra, and Mustang Mach E.
R35 looks nothing like r30/r31/r32/r33/r34 and should have been under the infinity badge instead of the Nissan badge.
Mk5 has more bmw than Toyota (interior, chassis, and engine)
Mach E is an Suv instead of a coupe.
All 3 aren't bad vehicles, but it was a stupid decision and shows that the companies are sell outs willing to tarnish a legendary name in order to make a cash grab.
Hopefully they make a 2dr version of this, that would be their only saving grace. As of now, this is a genesis coupe in a sedans body 😅
The R35 is the successor to the Nissan Skyline GT-R. It still carries on the GT-R’s lineage, AWD, 6 cylinder engine, twin turbo, flagship of Nissan’s lineup globally. It would make no sense to sell the GT-R as an Infiniti, since there’s literally no connection to that brand to the GT-R nameplate, and that’s a slap in the face more than anything.
Mk5 Supra is a collab between Toyota and BMW. Both companies worked together to even make the vehicle viable and its costs on the market reflect that. In house Toyota’s (or Lexus’ for that matter), are low volume vehicles that are made with a ton of R&D and don’t sell very well. The LC500 is an amazing car but it costs $100k, if they had collaborated with another automaker like Yamaha or Lotus the car would be much cheaper to justify it existing.
At the end of the day the GR Supra drives like a Toyota despite using parts from another manufacturer. And if the Elise and Exige, which are British sports cars can use Toyota engines, Toyota tuned suspension and a mix of Toyota parts on the interior, then why can’t the reverse be true for the GR Supra? The BRZ and the 86 did the same thing and no one seemed to care but with BMW working on the Supra with Toyota is where you and a few others draw the line?!? Make it make sense.
The Mustang Mach-E is a crossover truck. Is it a traditional “Mustang”? No, but it’s a “Mustang Mach-E”, which is a vehicle that is not a traditional Mustang but uses some of its styling, which is heavily seen in the front and rear of the car. Both types of vehicles using the same nameplate can exist. The Shelby F150 is a thing that no one gets mad about but somehow a Shelby Mustang Mach-E is terrible? 😂 if Shelby thought the F150 was good enough for a Shelby version to exist then I have no doubt in my mind that he would have approved for an electric Mustang to be under that performance nameplate, whether it’s a 2 door coupe or a 5 door hatchback.
Finally, the Integra went back to its roots and became the very thing it started out first as: a 5 door hatchback with an optional manual. And everyone that’s saying Integra’s can’t be more than 2 doors: The Integra started out in the 80’s as a 5 door hatchback and a 4 door sedan. The “coupe” came much later and even then that was a 3 door hatchback.
The success of the Civic being offered for sale in a particular body style depends on the overall sales of that model as well as the potential for an Integra version of that body style. The Civic coupe didn’t sell in the numbers that Honda hoped for these past few years and the onset of Covid made it even worse, so much so that the coupe was discontinued. As a result the 3 door Integra hatchback coupe isn’t happening and it never will.
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The Gtr could have had a totally different name, that's the point. It could have been released under infinity as a beefed up g37 since it shares a stronger resemblance to that line of cars. Unlike the supra, it did not keep an inline engine. It took on a nearly identical v6 that the infinity runs and the fairladys run.
The problem with the supra isn't the fact that it's a collab, it's that the car doesn't seem nearly close to a 50/50 or even a 60/40 for that matter. It's far more bmw than Toyota, and that wouldn't even be so bad if we at least got all of the bmw things. Like the fact that the z4 has a manual but the supra doesn't. Or that the z4 has a convertible and Toyota is still dragging their feet with the targa after showing it very well could be done.
I'm glad you brought up the brz, that's a perfect example of what SHOULD have happened. No one is mad at that car because it's an entirely new entity, it's not pretending to be something it's not. No one ever said a collab was bad, and since there was no tradition to uphold it successfully established itself as a new tuner. Collab are perfect if they lower the price for manufacturing thus lowering the price for consumers, just don't bring up old namesakes when there will be HEAVY compromises on both sides.
Lotus never broke tradition with their elise/exige and they're keeping it going with the emira, again, no problem there. They've had Toyota engines and they kept it going. They even managed to keep offering a manual.
The Shelby aspect has mostly been seen as a performance line of ford cars. Not a specific model. So a Shelby f150 isn't seen as a negative because it's not calling itself a Mustang, it's saying it's got more power than a normal one, so essentially it's like the durango having a "hellcat" variant or the charger having a "hellcat" variant. The f150 didn't just up and change to a Mustang and the durango didn't start going by the name of challenger.
As for the Integra, it has always had a sedan and coupe, the problem isn't that it revealed the sedan first as most of us believe a coupe will come later. The disappointment comes from the fact that it's so boring and looks like so many other cars they already offer. It has nothing original or unique, other than the fact that it copied hyundai's taillights.
Yes an Integra was a beefed up civic, but it looked different. As someone who has owned a DC2 and a Dc5, neither looked like a civic. However this time around the civic is still faster which was a double hit to the new Integra since not only did it not establish its own identity, it isn't even faster than the car it will be compared to. Ironic since they're trying to rebrand Acura as the "Performance" line when it has always been the "Luxury" line.
Hopefully when they do drop the coupe version of the new Integra it gets a major change. It wouldn't be the first time that happened. The genesis coupe looks nothing like the genesis sedan. Honda still has a chance to redeem itself.
And as I stated before, not hating on the gtr, supra, or Mach E. I actually like them all, albeit with widebodies 😅
You are right about sales though, they keep making bad decisions in either the design department or the performance department and it keeps hurting them. Covid didn't help either.
A prime example of bad decision making was their idea to make the nsx a hybrid. Though it is unique and offers something the 918 does at a FAR cheaper price, it did so by defeating its original mission. To provide supercar performance at a more affordable rate. Had they stuck with a rwd turbo and not implemented the additional electric stuff, the price would have likely been closer to that of the gtr and their sales would have been MUCH better. But since they decided to come in at the 150-200k mark, that took them out of the "affordable" bracket and no one wanted to drop that kind of money on an "uninspiring" or "compromising" vehicle when they could go buy a huracan, r8, porsche, Ferrari, mclaren for the same price. (Though again, the nsx looks damn nice)
@@original__gmebvy *claps hands* Thank you!
@@jamstar1 They both make valid points ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@original__gmebvy The proportions of the new Integra are all wrong. It looks marginally less worse here than it did in the Civic. A bloated rear end with shades of the Honda Crosstour. I swear the ghost of the engineer who designed that thing still haunts the halls at Honda.
This is a updated accord crosstour end of story it’s not a ilx due to the hatch so as I stand it’s a accord crosstour update…the car is fine not called a integra…the car enthusiast will not be buying this car this car will just be bought by the average person that wants a sedan just regular people.
The concept arts from the community looks better
Literally took my childhood and crapped on it..
This all feels like resetting the expectations lower. Honda/Acura HAS to be planning something big.
As a dc5 owner this is not what I wanted
The new BRZ/86 is a looker, and it has more pawah. No?
How do you guys feel about the new Elantra N??
This is the most worst flop from Acura for them to try and bring back a legend to complete utter destruction of the once legendary name
Also are you guys gonna do a video on ESR's new apex series. Looks like another good option for affordable rotary forged wheels
Possibly!
If they made a separate small coupe platform and then raised the price to 40k to make a return on an investment, would anyone actually buy it?
A FWD manual, small , sports coupe making probably less than 320 HP in 2022? No way.
Exactly. Only the diehards would buy it and then it would get discontinued early and Acura would lose even more money for doing such a thing with a one-off platform.
The OGs are the only one that played themselves to believing that fan renderings of Integras that weren't even real was going to be official to Acura's design language.
It's even more funny that the same so-called Integra diehards complaining about this new one being on the 11th gen Civic Si platform wasn't on older gen Civic platforms when it first came out.
320hp FWD coupe isn't farfetched and would work performance wise, but in markets on the western hemisphere where coupes are dying, like you said at the end of your comment, no way going into calendar year 2022.
People have kids, are about to have a kid, or have full-size friends and putting people in the back of a 2-door/3-door coupe in the 2020s decade is not feasible and unacceptable now.
320-335hp with the new body style of the Integra with FWD or even SH-AWD (if it happens for a first time ever), 6-speed manual, and fully loaded as the Type S variant, hell yeah... in a few years.
I have a Acura RSX type S and I am not excited about anything about that car.
Type 's almost as good at the gsr
@@ryanvtec3885 depends on the modes. Seam seal all removed and tig welded, sunroof removed with TypeR skin replaced and Frankenstein motor and transmission.
This would be so much better as a coupe
1.5L turbo...RIP Integra...
Every new car looks like a Honda accord
I don't mind it, personally. The Integra has always had a sedan option when it was called Integra. It's even had a 5 door liftback option. That being said, I feel like a lot of the disappointment people have with new models of a lot recent cars comes from the internet hyping up expectations then being burned when it doesn't pan out the way @InsertInstaHere thought it would in their render. The people who say they want these cars almost never buy them new. No manufacturer cares what these people think because they aren't getting money from them. If you wanted this to be a coupe, you should have bought the Civic Coupe brand new rather than used. As far as the horsepower goes, this car has what the older cars didn't: Torque. And no way they'll let the base model Integra have the same drivetrain as the Type R. Maybe the Type S or Type R variant of this will, but absolutely not the base model. This is going to be a much better car than the old ones were. Give it some time and let the Honda people figure out what can be done with it.
I feel it's just too late in the game for one.. but you never know they're will most likely will be a badass ITR before we go electric
Is it worth ls swapping a fwd o nah?
The only cool thing I saw in this vid was the merch at the end, I'm being serious.
The supra V got a lotta hate, but it's a genuinely fun and good sports car with a hella of a lot of tuneability, and now there's a manual coming out?
The 86, holy shit, Toyota blew it out of the water and soaked the shit out of us. They nailed it. Improved every bad aspect of the old while finely tuning little bits here and there to still make it an affordable sports car.
The 400Z. Just look at it. *Chef's kiss*
We all know it's gonna be a banger, just hoping the manual isn't a sloppy joe like BMWs.
And now Acura with the integra... Ouch.
It doesn't seem like they put much effort into it and are just using the nameplate to drive sales.
I hope I'm wrong and that it drives just how you want it to, it feels connected, similar to the integras of old and that the manual is a genuinely good Honda manual.
The new Integra looks like an ILX with a new front end and tail lights
Is that a ILX/Crossover? Okay. My money is on the Nissan Z. 💵
They said they're bringing back the Integra and everybody just assume type r. The integra was a four-door sedan. Business wise does a four-door sedan make sense or type r.
I am an Integra Type R owner in Japan. When I first saw spy photos of
the next gen Teg, I knew that it wasn't going to have the same magic as
the DC2 or even the DC5 for that matter. First of all, no design
continuity from the previous Integra models ...NONE. If no one told me
that this was an Integra and there was no big ricey Integra sticker on the side, I would not know what it was. My first guess
would have been a late model Accord. Whereas, you can definitely see
design continuity between the four generations of the past models (RSX
is an Integra.) But because of this major failure to bring back the
style and flavor of the Integra family, my 23 year old DC2 just
increased in value and is actually worth more than this new Integra.
Integra Type Rs in Japan are now valued between $13,000 for one in
crappy condition to up to $60,000 or more for one in pristine shape.
Thanks Honda! Please making crap so the value of my car keeps going up!
You are either blind or illiterate about cars.. This Integra looks like the Honda CIVIC Hatchback which Integra's always been based on anyway. And if you can see any continuation design between the 10th and 11th gen Civic your reasoning might have had a valid point, too. But this is not possible either.
So, you may be, neither blind nor illiterate but simply a hater.
“No continuity from previous integra models” oh so you don’t know your integra info? The 1st gen integra had a 5 door lift back just say you don’t like modern cars
@@Koolblue900 All generations except for the last one (RSX) had a 5 door variant, but I am sure that the expectation from true Integra fans is that if they are going to revive the iconic name, they should do it on a car that is based on their most popular model, the 3 door coupe and or Type R. Moreover, i was referring to more about the body queues like the notch back. This car looks like a really poor attempt at making the integra into fastback. Now it look a dog arching its back to take a crap. And its not that I don't like modern cars, I don't like nor appreciate crappy and misleading marketing, and trying to make us believe that these cars are going to be a continuation of the iconic history of their predecessors. This isn't just about the Integra, its also about Toyota's 86 and the new Supra which is really just a BMW. Its plain laziness, and a severe lack of effort in styling creativity. "Let's just create a TSX clone and slap a big Integra sticker on it and call it mission accomplished." Sorry, not buying it. Call this car something else, and head back to R&D and come back only after you come up with something worthy of the name.
@@bobbytheitguy4289 you have to consider that this is literally just a base. I feel like judgments shouldn’t come till the type s comes out. Folks are comparing this base car to dc2 R’s and that’s not fair in the slightest
Bro its not even a 2 door
I don't know what the future holds but, it genuinely frightens me a bit. At least in the sports car world. I may just have to go off-road.
The Kia stinger looks more exciting
People need to stop saying "maybe a 2 door in the future". No it doesn't work like that, this is it, Honda doesn't have 2 door coupe to sell you anymore.
I was looking forward to the new Integra and was disappointed and upset that they didn't or won't offer a 2 door model. Way too many 4 door family sedans with turbo engines need a 2 door Acura car again.
Thank you guys, I thought the same thing with the integra.
When u have hesitation and say “I think........ it looks ok..” that is a sign of.. nah.. is not.. u just trying hard to find something or anything.. to like it.. when a pretty car revealed! U be like “wooooooahhhhhhh” no other word needed.. that’s when u know that car is really pretty..
Looks even bigger than a tlx
I would be less disappointed if they kept the name ILX.
why people are attached to names is beyond me; if they never changed it to the rsx and ilx, no one would be saying a thing. people complained about letters replacing names and acura brought back the name and people still complain.
@@entertained... Imagine naming Ford Probe, Mustang which they almost did.
So you will be disappointed regardless. You are such a generous hater as it seems.
I want to remind everyone that the Nissan z is the only new car to stay true. Let’s show Nissan some love!
yup, good sales for a couple of years and it will tank because enthusiasts are the most fickle people....
Acura shouldn’t have brought back the Integra, a car enthusiast car, if they weren’t keeping anything that’d attract car enthusiasts
The integra deserved better than this.... needed to be coupe'd and 2.0t..... this is so sad....
Hopefully the type s…
Acura is not going to come out of the gate swinging with the Civic Type R-derived Integra just like that.
The 6th gen Type R is not even on sale or out on the roads yet. It needs 2-3 years to be built first.
The higher performance Civic Type R-derived Integra Type S will come man. You gotta be patient and let the Civic Si-derived Integra get road time and sales time first.
@@antoinelee-thomas9536 amazing how many people lost their shit over a base integra that's $30k....
@@entertained... because if the base looks like that, you really think the type R version is truly going to be any better? This is there foundation. If won't get really any better than this. Only way this is changing by such the horrible response it got they're go back to the drawing board and pull out a better plan and car but I doubt that... plus you think anyone will pay sub 40.5 to 50k for a type r version when the bigger brother will be in the same price range with more everything?
@@That_Stinger_GT5 i assume you mean type s? i doubt they will have an integra-r since we have the CTR state-side now. anyway, do you remember how many people whined about the looks of the 10th gen CTR? well, they sell each one they make and many over msrp. do i think the type s will be any better? i actually don't think much at all right now because we know very little about the difference between the si and base integra, that's why i think it's funny people are losing their shit.
i'll wait to hear more details about the car and then see if the prices are justified - only time will tell if acura got the integra right based on sales volume and we won't know that for a while. the CTR msrp is around $38k and the integra-s will probably be around $41k. acura will not be building that many, and they'll probably sell all the ones they do make even with the dealer mark up. but again, time will tell, and that's why i'm not losing my shit right now. i just think people need to take the drama down a few notches right now.
It quite literally makes no sense to get the Integra. The Civic Hatchback not only looks better, but it cheaper and uses the same motor that you can just tune up to get the same hp
people should think of the integra as better appointed, more refined si. from my understanding, the si lost some features it had in the 10th gen and it is also missing some from the touring trim - i'm sure the integra will have those missing options and more. probably less nvh too. some people also value the premium dealership experience/exclusivity over the regular brand too.
If it’s using the 10th gen civic chasis why no use also a coupe version
The rear end has a unique look with the genesis tail lights, but the front looks like every other acura lineup...
Im not going to disagree.. They definitely dropped the ball, but hopefully they do a re-design or some sort of facelift. -Edgar
The USDM intetgra Type r had a B18c5 that put out 195hp so the new integra only gained 5-10hp in 20+ years. The Usdm integra GSR (3rd gen integra) had a B18c1 that put out 170hp. The integra LS from the same generation had a B18b1 non vtec that put out 140hp.
Your comparing the new BASE integra to the type r. How is that fair, comparisons should come when the actual sporty model drops later. This base integra vs an ls integra is an actual upgrade
how about a twin turbo intrega
A first-time ever twin turbocharged inline 4-cylinder Integra Type S that'll be one of a kind that no other automaker would ever pull off. That would be dope and possibly make way more power than the TLX Type S.
I was saddened by this reveal. It looks like a rebadged Civic
I bet it's lower and sportier in person. Plus it could still have the possibility of awd
AWD is out of the question. It's going to be FWD and the Type-S version will probably get the downtuned Civic Type-R engine.
i actually think the civic si looks really good, a lot more mature than the stupid fake vents and weird lines of previous generations. i was definitely disappointed with the integra, but i still think itll be cool
Right hand drive Asian market has the daihatsu copen and honda S660 and suzuki alto works turbo and honda n one rs
can you do a so you want a scion xb?
They took a 2011 accord crosstour and rebadged it
Its a decent car but there is no way of shape and form that it is a integra
I love the new look. The Integra is basically a cooler version of an already cool car. The Civic. Don’t understand the hate? With the type R engine I can’t imagine a better car that I could afford.
what song is playing in the background between 0:40 - 1:18 ?
I think the better thing that could’ve been done would be to name either the ILX Type S or the Acura CSX (a car only available to the Canadian market than the US market). Acura’s normally had more weight because of the “extras”, in my opinion. If these extras were things like active aero, SHAwD system like the prelude or something it would’ve been received better. Just my thoughts.
I said it somewhere before, but the only things they got right IMO are the manual and it’s yellow. There was a popular render going around where it looked way more distinctive as a sporty coupe with the wing and everything. I feel manufacturers, for enthusiast cars in general, need to listen to their fans and customers more often. 🤷♂️
Take off the Nostalgia goggles and try and think back to all those LS/GS models you saw over the years, not the suped up with aftermarket parts and Type R’s but those sedans with hub caps and even the original 5 door boxy one. Temper your expectations and understand, a Type S is also coming. Turbo, 6mt, LSD… and all the modern tech, it’s exactly in line with the interga name plate, but they don’t make coupes anymore, so don’t expect something nobody would buy anyways…. Including those most critical of it, the ones most critical are the ones who had the old ones, and those people have all moved on to BMW/MB/Tesla/GTR etc…. Those people wouldn’t buy an integra anyways, they’ve outgrown these.
Its literally an ILX theyre calling an "integra"
Whoever buys one of these should bondo/paint the Integra stamps and order official ILX emblems from Acura.
Now it’s back home where it belongs in the lineup.🤙🏽
As long as it has a slant-door on the 4-door version, its all good.
AND THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE PERFORMANCE OF HONDA/ACURA, They missed the mark heavily with this one...
Pretty much a 5dr ILX 6spd
All these company’s are just trying to bring back the names of cars we loved as kids and now that we are in our 30s and have the means to buy these cars they think we will flock to the dealer and buy one. Fuck that for the 40k plus price tag I’m sure this is going to have I’ll just go find an old da9 and k swap it.
You guys nailed it 👌🏾
torque on that thing makes the weight light.
as you can see most b series slack.
Think there's an issue with safety specs? Like car's can't be as small or unique as they use to? Compare size of cool 90's car's to now. 😱
I hope that the integra decal on the prototype makes it into production just to piss more people off lol.
While a coupe does have visual appeal, most buyers today want the comfort and ease of entry-exit that a sedan provides
The problem is that it doesn’t look anything like what it’s based off of
The new integra is just a rebadged accord for more money
Im a die hard Honda/ Acura fan boy but the Nissan 400Z is looking really good about now....
Back in my day we would put integra engines in honda civics to have a super fast ghost car ,now the integra comes with a honda civic engine. 😒dispaionted with the new integra
If the Integra had retro styling like the 3rd gen but no one would have really cared if it was based of the civic, had the 1.5T, or wasn’t a coup. I think it was always wishful thinking to believe it wouldn’t look reminiscent of the current Acura line up, or expect it to be revised as a pure sports car. Just not the integra name. People were expecting Type R’s to be the new standard
The new Integra should have been a luxury version of the Civic SI/Type-R.
And these manufacturers should be aiming directly at enthusiasts when they use an enthusiast name.
make it a coupe and a bit more aggressive front end and I'd be sold it's an integra. Regardless I think it has potential I'd like to see what people do with em