This was a beautiful reflective piece folks. Thank you so much for the job you do and given a realistic look at how the sequel trilogy is a reflection of *US* in that time frame.... I still love The Last Jedi even though I still can't enjoy Rise of Skywalker (despite some really neat moments)
In order to comment here I can't top Billy Madison's speech: “What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Ryan, social media wasn’t even around for the prequels trilogy. You’re blaming fans for the media & Jake’s classmates. You didn’t double check your sources. 🤦🏻♂️
I remember the breakdown for this. Rey’s actress literally missed like 2 cues so the guards had to do like 2 useless spins. Not to mention the missing blade, the three person kick, multiple times the guards swung at the blades and not the person they’re trying to kill, etc.
You wanna know something funny, screencrush? I used to watch the hell out of you, newrockstars, and emergency awesome 2-3years back until I realized the SHILLS you guys actually were lol, suckin up to ANYTHING Disney marvel or Star Wars no matter how bad the quality, good times good times 😎
No, I do not agree with you/screencrush in this video.. They are all bad films. Visually okay, but it was clear they had no idea what to do with the IP.. But the fact that you said that the fight in the throne room/petorian fight @8:27 was the best choreographed fight in all of star wars? What the fudge? I just lost all respect for you and the channel
You really can’t be serious, Ryan. The prequel trilogy stands up to the test of time with a massive following. The sequel trilogy has 0 following less than a decade later…
The prequel trilogy sucked when it happened and continues sucking today - you’re just lying to yourself cuz you hate the Disney movies (which also suck).
The sequels don't make any sense, it is ridiculous to even consider that they were remotely better than Attack of the clones, the phantom mence and the Revenge of the Sith. The only thing I got from this entire video was order to make it sound like the sequels weren't bad, he had to bring down the movies I mentioned. What a joke. The sequels were bad, period.
Anakin struggled with the dark side and luke as well. But of course you gotta slam George Lucas star wars to boost up dismal star wars. And the dude who played jar jar was hated by the critics. You sir are a dismal shill
“These are not the movies you hate!” Waving hands in front of me "What? You think you're some kind of Jedi, waving your hand around like that? I'm a Toydarian. Mind tricks don't work on me…."
Instead of making assumptions, assuming the worst, and attacking Disney, I suggest you have another look at Star Wars. You might just start to get out of it what George Lucas intended.
@@mattrismatt The fact that Lucasfilm and Disney didn't have any plan for the trilogy's story. Or that Palpatine wasn‘t originally planned to come back.
So did Disney ask you to bend over or sit on your knees while you were making this video? What a horrible video! The sequel trilogy was so great that... we haven't gotten a new SW movie in nearly 6 YEARS! Destroyed the entire franchise.
Like the Star Wars prequels, the sequels will never be remade. I implore you to stop thinking like this. Instead, seek reality. You might just learn a great many things.
@@mattrismatt Fans that can tell when a writer fails to line up with prior-established-lore. If you can't tell when something doesn't fit, you can't be paying attention enough to say you're a fan(atic). If you don't realize that that the sequel trilogy doesn't exist in the same universe as the Lucas-films, you aren't paying attention. They aren't even the same lore. Disney-Jedi are depressed losers because Disney the ep8 writer didn't know that Jedi(Djed-Eye) were allegories for enlightened beings so now we have Disney-depressed-jedi, who, would be falling to the darkside, under Lucas-lore. Same writer also confused spiritual warrior monks using mystical techniques that take decades to learn for space-mutants with super powers than can die if they use their power too much. LOL! He actually had Rey using Palpatine techniques JUST because she was related. No training necessary. Now, if you KNOW Lucas-Star Wars, you KNOW that the dark side is the quick and easy path and the light side is the dedicated path. Oh Look! Kylo dedicated his whole life and Rey can just... do things cuz powers(but in lucas-lore, these are mystical techniques so this isn't even possible in Lucas-universe because they aren't mutants with powers lol). So AGAIN, that writer confused the concept of the dark side and the light side because he didn't know the difference or even understand the prior lore. It's hilariously glaring to any fan that they had a non-fan and hack write episode 8 which, in turn, made ep7 even worse by having the stupidest answers for JJs mystery boxes because he felt no responsibility to keep it in context with the lore. LOL When you can't tell the difference between a fanfic written by a hack and the actual lore, you're not really a fan. You'll swallow anything put in front of you.
@@OGSF_Apoc What prior-established-lore? What doesn't fit in the sequels? Tell me, how 'enlightened' _were_ the Jedi? Anakin fell to the dark side as the Jedi Order itself fell. If they became 'depressed losers', they had every right to be. How much do we really know about these 'mystical techniques' that the 'spiritual warrior monks' used? You assume Luke is truly dead. If _"No one's ever really gone."_ and he did return, wouldn't that signify that the Hero's Journey is still on? Yes, 'Rey used Palpatine techniques' because taking 'the quick and easy path' was her place in the story. Remember, Anakin and Luke accomplished astounding feats using the Force rather easily/quickly/young without so-called 'training'. And look what eventually happened to them. It's like they were being used... the means to an end. _But what end?_ As far as 'understanding the prior lore' goes, you should know that has not yet been revealed how the Force works, not truly. Trust that all will be revealed before _the end._ From personal experience, I can tell that you're confused, having assumed so much about this story (almost everything) that you can't tell the difference between _substance_ and _distraction._ Talk about 'not paying attention' and 'swallowing anything put in front of you'! Even after three trilogies - and so much more - you're no wiser than any Jedi... not that that would anything to brag about.
@@mattrismatt You sound ridiculous and for many words, contradicted nothing. You can watch the movies in order and without anything else, notice the serious lore-flubs. If you can't, you didn't understand it. But by all means, try to explain how 1 times 1 is 2 like Terrance Howard, again. It still doesn't add up and sounds like bs because it is.
@@OGSF_Apoc In my previous post, I picked apart your weak/assumptive points, made astute points of my own, and questioned everything you so boldly claimed. You responded with absolutely nothing of substance. Specifically, what did I say that 'sounds ridiculous'? I challenge you to use facts, logic, and the literal words of the story to formulate your conclusions and reasoning. Otherwise, everything you type - and think - is _utterly meaningless._ _"It still doesn't add up and sounds like bs because it is."_ From my point of view, that statement applies to the mass-interpretation of Star Wars, particularly the Saga I through VI... or even just the OT. Do you have any idea where I'm coming from? Do you not even know what you don't know about the story... and why it needs to be told to us?
I've actually really had enough of this Requel Era. Every franchise film needs to be filled with callbacks and easter eggs, to the point it can't be it's own thing, it needs to be the ghost of an old classic. Let's bring back filmmakers who can make their own films without needing to rely on old classics to find an audience.
It's called being self-referential. And yes - it is Star Wars' biggest flaw currently. Eventually, they'll have to let go of the Skywalker saga and go back and do the Old Republic with Emperor Vitiate, Darth Revan, Darth Malik, Darth Nihilus, etc.
@ I believe the Force Awakens started the trend (as in, was the first really big one that showed others they can just remake old films with a new skin). Since then it’s been nothing but memberberries in pretty much every major franchise. Ghostbusters, Jurassic World, Axel F, Spiderman No Way Home, Terminator Genysis, all the Disney live action remakes, Matrix Resurrections, Indiana Jones, and it goes on and on, films trying to be older films.
The problem is the consumers and their expectations, not the filmakers per se. The Last Jedi was the biggest break from the nostalgia/legacy and that generated a huge backlash. The entertainment corporations cannot fight with their target customers and succeed financially. That's why I thought Ryan's observations about culture were relevant and insightful. Well done, Ryan.
@ I try not to say this out loud too often, as a huge Star Wars fan, but yeah The Last Jedi is probably the best made sequel film, and had some of the best ideas of the three films. It was just a bad SW film and made worse by being undone in The Rise of Skywalker. And yeah it seems that modern consumers crave memberberries and everything needs to be connected these days, otherwise what’s the point? Sigh.
Then pledged full loyalty under a vague idea of stopping someone from dying. Then said person dies in spite of it and he still just decides to go along with the guy who couldn' t even do that fir him for some reason. (Not talking about extended material that makes up for the short comings, just what the movies themselves show.)
@@motherplayer His fall definitely could have been handled more smoothly, but Lucas did set up all the childhood traumas, corrupting influences, and red flags. It wasn't out of nowhere. Where I think they went too far was having Anakin be the ones to slaughter the younglings. I think he should have gotten there too late to stop it, let his face show some guilt and regret before accepting he can't bring them back, and the tell Padme "I've gone too far to turn back now", so we the audience could connect to still seeing *some* good in him.
I think it goes all the way back to The Phantom Menace. Yoda recognizes Anakin's fear and gives the classic speech: “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering”. And then they rightfully decide NOT to train him. But then Obi-Wan guilts them into it later. That fear was the start of his path down.
@Doctor_Omega fair point, but kid Anakin hadn't yet acted on it. Young adult Anakin was a child murder BEFORE he went off to War! If anybody thinks his turn to the dark side was too simplistic, they don't consider child murder to be evil as long as those kids' parents did some evil stuff first.
You forgot the C3PO memory wipe that gets immediately undone... perhaps even more annoying then the chewie death fake out since the scene of Poe catching 3-PO rebooting himself is genuinely moving and makes you appreciate how the OG comical sidekick has indeed been one of the heroes throughout. The sacrifice should have meant something
I disagree 100% with Ryan on this video. JJ is a competent director, but not a good one. He's a terrible storyteller. His aliens for this whole trilogy are boring wrinkly things. His films always have non-stop action. There's never a moment to rest, otherwise you'd have time to think and realize how dumb the previous scene was. And the fake out death thing is something he overuses as much as his "mystery box" garbage. Go watch "Cowboys and Aliens" - he pulls the same fake out death crap in that one too.
@@Doctor_Omegaif you can’t see past a few personal nit picks to see the touching scene between Han and Kylo, to understand those hard relationships between father and sons, to ignore the political aspects of corruption not having a clear evil side but driven by power and wealth, to disregard the themes of finding family in unexpected places, then you aren’t the audience Star Wars deserves. You probably think the inclusion of Palpatine is a stupid forced villain, even though in both the previous trilogies the emperor has been the main driving evil and only makes a proper feature in the third film. You think you know a thing about storytelling but like a lot of you haters you can’t see the forest for the trees. You want video game stories where the hero continually gets more bad ass until they blast away the bad guy with no consequences, even though that’s literally never been the way any Star Wars trilogy has gone. Anakin fails, Luke fails, obi wan fails, yoda can’t make Luke stay and train. The point of Star Wars is to point out corruption in power, and the destructive nature of ignorance and hate, and you’ve completely ignored that and bought into the dark side like a complete simpleton.
@ Star Wars is not nearly as deep as you try to make it out to be. You want thoughtful sci-fi, watch Star Trek before JJ killed that too. Star Wars was always simple good vs. evil made for children. That's STRAIGHT from George Lucas himself. That's why people loved the original trilogy and the other two were divisive. JJ should have moved on from the classic characters, but he went for the memberberry pie. His storytelling is one-dimensional. He uses the same gimmicks over and over and over and over. Reusing Palpatine was idiotic. Read the original story for Episode IX - Duel of the Fates. It would have been fantastic and kept Rey as a nobody; Rey Solana. Luke failing is what make The Last Jedi so fantastic. Yoda flat out says "LET THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY GO" and JJ followed it up by bringing Palpatine and Solo back. He's a hack. Also, we can disagree, but the personal attacks were a bit much. Grow the F up.
@@Doctor_Omega calling you a simpleton isn’t a personal attack, it’s just an insult based on your actions. If you had glasses and I made fun of you for them, THAT would be a personal attack. There’s a difference. Telling me to grow the f up is the same as calling me a child which is an insult the same as what I did, except it had no basis. So you’re a hypocrite at best and a simpleton at worst. Secondly, your incredibly original thought that Star Wars is basic good vs evil like some kind of pantomime is laughably small brained. It uses clear visual language, but it’s never just good vs evil. Vader is the bad guy, but he’s also the hero’s father, Luke is the hero, but he’s underpowered and moody, Han is a selfish smuggler criminal but makes the right choice to help save the day every time sacrificing his own life. Anakin is a slave and a god, a hero and a villain, the savior and the destroyer. The angriest person in the series in Leia who does only good, and the happiest person is the emperor who does nothing but evil. Every relationship is grey, not black and white. There’s always a compromise. Lord of the rings is black and white. There’s a clear mark through good and evil and anyone who is good and does evil is just doing it because they’ve been poisoned outside their will. The series is based on historical politics from the Roman Empire to the Nazis and Vietnam. Palpatine is a film reference to the politician Palantine from Taxi Driver. The sequel’s predicted the rise of Trump like popularism and the prequels were a response to Bush. Don’t be naive, the Star Trek films don’t deliver even an ounce of thoughtful sci fi. The series are so long that they have great episodes dealing with gender and slavery and honor and war and some that are so silly but you love them anyway. But they are on the nose morality stories that are not the same as Star Wars. Family, society, war, politics, passions and love is what Star Wars is about. It’s just not all surface level so people like you can’t see it.
@@EatSleepEmpire Rey is the literal description of what you said about video game stories "where the hero gets more bad ass until they blast away the bad guy with no consequences" ooopsie...
I thought you make an insightful argument about these films, and although I wasn't the biggest fan I can see and appreciate what you point out. It allows me to look at this from a different angle and that's cool. Thank you!
@JasonDeline no he doesn't. He just fades away after forcing too hard after a fake non confrontation with the problems he created. Died alone and isolated on an island just as he started.
@plumbussmith He becomes the hero everyone expected him to be, protecting his friends with all his strength, without striking out in violence. It's beautiful. 🤷
@JasonDeline they blew up 5 planets in one go. Billions and billions of lives. He does a fake confrontation a few days or weeks later. I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Jake Skywalker and his arc was the most disappointing thing about the sequels.
How Dare You! Sequels are garbage, pure garbage! Ill never watch them again. Once was too much. Give me Jar Jar any day other than Dysentery Star Wars!
The prequels were a good story, hidden behind poor execution. The sequels were bad story, hidden behind good execution. The prequels were original, they added to Star Wars without recycling previous content. The sequels were made by people blinded by nostalgia... hell, The Force Awakens was basically a beat-for-beat remake of A New Hope! And Rise of Skywalker was SO BAD I felt insulted after watching it, I could write an essay on all the things it did poorly. So... no, the sequels were crap. I wish they weren't. It's a testament to Filoni and Favreau that they are doing such a good job justifying the sequels with their content on Disney+.
I fully agree! As much of a mess as the franchise is I do love the direction they’ve been going recently (especially with Favreau and Filoni) in filling in the gaps and cracks of the franchise to make it more connected and complete. That’s a big reason why I think shows like the Mandalorian are so good. At the end of the day, through all of the messiness, I still love and will continue to love Star Wars!
9:57 I didn't see Maz giving Chewie the medal as him being honored, but as a person being given their dogs collar after the dog died, and it broke me. Wookies are so long lived compared to humans that I've always enjoyed the irony that Han and Chewie were like the inverse of a human and his dog, so I found this scene incredibly touching and sad.
@ force powers that made no sense, no explanation on Luke’s behaviour. The guy who had faith in his father when no one else did is just going to think even for a flash to kill his nephew, what a joke. All the characters having dumb plot lines - Poe, Finn, Rose and Rey. Rey being a nobody which makes no sense because she is just amazing at everything without any training, there was a reason that anakin was good at things within the rules established by the universe. The light speed maneuver which makes no sense because that’s not how light speed works. I could go on and on
@@BaithNa no, but it did start a decline that although temporarily resolved by The Mandalorian would lead up to the franchise’s actual death with The Acolyte
@@user-my2nm5wv1e you seem to forget there were still a bunch of people that loved The Last Jedi and liked The Rise of Skywalker enough, as well as that, each installment of the trilogy did make over one billion dollars
"i'm NoT a dISnEy SHill" Shill's for Disney for 25 minutes. This is the worst take ever. 💩on the prequels to make the sequels sound good typical shill behavior, the praetorian guard fight was awful it's no where close to the best fight in Star Wars. But the most idiotic statement ever is when talking about Rey in Episode 9 " We've never ever really seen a Jedi on screen struggle with the dark side" WTF!!!!!!!! Tell us you've never watched the prequel trilogy without telling us you never saw the prequel trilogy. That was the entire story of Episodes 1-2-3 Anakin Skywalker struggling with the dark side. Even Luke struggled with the dark side for a moment in Episode 6. This is the worst take ever by someone trying to make the sequels sound better than the flaming pile of dog turds they are. But you're not a shill What a joke 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I really like TFA, love TLJ, don't like TROS. Palpatine should not have returned. Plus, in terms of soundtrack, it's like John Williams was trying to make us a "best of Star Wars soundtrack" rather than scoring the movie : using Yoda's theme when Yoda's not there (when Luke lifts the X-Wing, we could understand the call back to ESB but when Chewie gets a medal, it makes no sense), using Luke and Leia's theme when neither is there but Lando is talking to Jannah and so on... But there are still enjoyable scene like Lando's arrival on Exegol
What I liked about Palpatine's return was, after decades of seeing Jedi force ghosts and knowing the Sith can't do that - because they are so self centered they can't merge with the force - we finally see the grotesque lengths a Sith goes through (decades of cloning experiments) to cheat death for 'immortality'. And watching The Bad Batch series, we know Palpatine's decades long Project Necromancer was dependent on finding the key to pass on midicholians from one body to another. And, if you think Palpatine's return was random, try being a kid watching Return Of The Jedi and finding out Luke and Leia were siblings this whole time. Or the random repeating of the Death Star as a big bad. Finally, I realized once Force Ghost Yoda appeared in The Last Jedi, that you can't have Yoda without Palpatine. They are the Two Great Opposites in the Force, and both were there at the beginning in Episode I. I think Palpatine would agree - "You can't have a party without ME."
Darn I never thought of that, I love how through all the crap of Star Wars sequel haters you get someone who has a perspective that’s new and refreshing
Ryan, dude. I think you've finally managed to quantify and sort out my feelings about the sequels. Im a 1976 baby so i grew up and original OT fan and made a pilgrimage to Celebration I in Denver. I remember when all the Star Wars we had was the West End Games D6 RPG I played throughout High School. That was it! Good luck finding a Star Wars Shirt ANYWHERE. I've had a load of mixed feelings ever since walking out of the EP9 premiere 9 movie marathon at Disney Springs. This. THIS right here has really helped me see where I stand and I agree SO much with your analysis. Hope to see you in Orlando!
you make good points... my ultimate barometer of whether a movie is good or not is if I want to re-watch it in my spare time. I haven't felt the need to re-watch the sequel trilogy... of course the only Star Wars property I enjoy re-watching is the Mandalorian.
Babu Frik was cute. Thankfully I had been warned about RotS, before my bestfriend begged me and bought my ticket so I would watch it. (I had already decided to just walk away after TLJ), so I spent the whole movie laughing and at least appreciating that the tone was fun. Babu was one of the elements that felt like Star Wars.
Thanks, Ryan for making this video. I really appreciate this thought process and have never considered looking at these movies from this "certain point of view". Perhaps a rewatch is in order for me soon.
Really appreciated this one! You treated this topic with the levity it deserves. Also the line "Not the Star Wars we needed but the Star Wars we deserved," is maybe the most accurate description of this series I've heard.
21:54 Your argument about the sequel trilogy being fans of the original trilogy can also be applied to Skeleton Crew: the kids in Skeleton Crew have only ever heard of Jedi and don't know about what happened in the other movies so it feels disconnected from them.
I think the set up for it is a bit better in Skeleton Crew. It makes sense this little boy on a safe, comfortable, isolated planet is enamored with adventure stories, like little boys often are with knight or soldiers or superheroes. With Rey...who's telling her these stories? She can't remember her parents. There doesn't seem to be a school or access to the holonet. She has no friends. Why is Kylo obsessed with a grandfather he never met? Why would Han/Leia/Luke *not* teach him that the Empire was bad and Vader saved Luke in the end?
I cannot believe the timing of this video. I'm nearing the end of a months-long project to rewatch ALL Star Wars content (movies, series, and games) in timeline order, mostly because I'm curious how the long, LONG narrative holds up when viewed that way. Just today I finished TLJ and am resuming the Resistance series before capping it off with (shudder) RoS. You've commented at length about how a lot of the content we've been getting since RoS has been geared toward explaining Palpatine's return, but then, the Clone Wars series existed to better explain Anakin's otherwise instantaneous fall to the Dark Side, and Rebels (and, later, Rogue One) explained the coalescence of the Rebellion . . . I mean, the Prequel Trilogy basically exists to explain the HUGE plot twist at the end of ESB. So ever since the Original Trilogy (I own that t-shirt, by the way), Star Wars has always been about filling in gaps. And honestly, my experience watching the whole saga in timeline order has been pretty rewarding, because most people have actually done a great job filling those gaps with (considering the enormity of the Star Wars saga) impressive continuity. And even though I'm with you on RoS-I've actually never rewatched it since seeing it in theaters, and it's the only Star Wars movie I don't own on dvd-after rewatching TLJ today, I realized the seeds for Palpatine's surprise return and Rey's surprise heritage were there. Not intentionally, of course, and I still wish we'd actually gotten Trevorrow's continuation of what Johnson laid down. But Abrahms found the seeds he needed for his story and used them, so in retrospect, RoS is less of a surprise than it felt like initially. All of which is to say, thank you, Ryan and the ScreenCrush gang, for this PERFECTLY timed video. It's pretty much where my head is right now, and I feel validated.
@@user-my2nm5wv1e I see, well there are certainly cases where some fans mindlessly defend the Disney stuff without thinking much, in that you are right. But I also know there are people online who will mindlessly defend the prequels too. so to be honest, there’s shills on both sides of the coin.
A thoughtful and well put together video, Ryan. And I have to say, thank you for evidently listening to your audience and not continuing with the gambling advertising. That would have been very damaging to your brand, and it’s good to see that you and the team took on feedback.
I unironically love 2/3rds of the sequel trilogy and can find many things entertaining of the last 1/3rd. They're not of Lucas caliber but at the same time, I don't think anything other than the original and prequel trilogy are of Lucas quality, including The Clone Wars. They're all decently made films with each of the filmmaker's limitations and I'm tired of pretending they're not!
I’m not a shill because I make videos about how bad TROS was. Proceeds to start shilling the trilogy and crapping on the prequels. Classic Disney shill behaviour.
It's awesome! Episode 7 bored the shit out of me because I already saw Episode 4. I LOVED the twists in Episode 8. Best of the final three in my opinion.
Lucas himself summed it up...the films look great but they did nothing new. Hate the prequels all you like, Avengers Endgame was filmed on blue screen too, so Lucas adopted and developed a medium that then defined the next 20 years of film making. Abrams just took on the cool stuff, its a shame but hey ho as you said the cash grab nature is what we deserve of films of our time.
I really like this dive into the good aspects of this movies. I also get a lot of the criticism the got but I had a good couple of hours with all of them because they are good and fun movies if you can pass some narrative issues and SW idiosyncracies. And I'm 41yo, so no bias here lol. I guess I know what I will rewatch this weekend!
The only annoyance for me ever was Jar Jar Binks but I understood his place in the movies- I am diametrically opposed to attacking the actor that brought him to life. Oh I watched Starwars at age 11 in 1977. For what thats worth. Excellent report as always Ryan
Hot take: I liked all 3 (in this order 8, 7, 9). I had issues w moments in each film, but overall, the nostalgia factor, the cinematography, the vfx, and the movies being just plain fun to watch, makes me like them. My favourite scene: the Holdo maneuver took my f#@%ing breath away and completely rocked my mind in IMAX. Cutting the sound in that scene was inspired. Rian Johnson solidified his place as one of my all time favourite directors (Brick? Looper?!!) with that s#!t. Hate me now, h8rade guzzlers. I don’t caaaaaaare-ahhhhhh
The sequel trilogy failed… infamously, it wasn’t planned out well at all. The Last Jedi doesn’t fit the Force Awakens, and Rise of Skywalker was like sparkly duct tape, attempting to pull together the whole fundamentally broken thing.
Great show in Dallas last night! My feelings for the sequels say both ways. They honestly don't feel like Star Wars to me with the way they were shot. When you watch all 3 trilogies in a row, the sequel definitely does not fit, but there are parts in each I do enjoy. The Palpatine returning never bothered me much since I've read a lot of the EU, but felt like it could be confusing for the characters in the sequel since The Clone Wars was only brought up once in the OT and never mentioned anywhere again (for the movies and general audience). I think Johnson could make a great Star Wars movie/ trilogy, he just shouldn't have tried to destroy everything Abrams tried to set up. And back to that, they should have had one set story where they wanted to go with the trilogy and characters instead of give the directors free range opportunity to do pretty much whatever they want.
Like to see this. I will always have issues with these films but to say they dont have a lot going for them is just false. I can think these are great films while totally agreeing it’s not the direction I would’ve gone and also thinking they are not great conclusions to the skywalker saga. It’s why I really really want to see more of Luke, Han and Leia in the Mandoverse because while the story works it certainly feels like half the story was ripped out. Also you make the Arthur reference with Rey, Luke really is King Arthur. Remember after the fall of Camelot Arthur walked away too, had to be convinced why a knight to come back and he died fighting his bastard son. It’s uncanny and clear what they were going for. Yet I’ve never seen this pointed out.
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@@ScreenCrush You are extremely Biased
This was a beautiful reflective piece folks. Thank you so much for the job you do and given a realistic look at how the sequel trilogy is a reflection of *US* in that time frame.... I still love The Last Jedi even though I still can't enjoy Rise of Skywalker (despite some really neat moments)
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I hope you make a video "Why Rey and Captain Marvel is NOT Mary Sues, than you remember?"
12:40 “we’ve never really seen a Jedi on screen struggle with their dark side”
LOL this cannot be real
My favorite part. 😂😂
**Anakin has entered the chat**
Even Luke did in the Original Trilogy! How do you miss the story and integral plot points!
If they were actually good, this video would not be necessary.
_"Good is a point of view..."_
Bingo
In order to comment here I can't top Billy Madison's speech: “What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
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AMEN!!!
I didn't even make it past the first minute before my nose started bleeding 😂
@@mattrismatt What does this even mean?
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Do you have a better take on the sequel trilogy... or Star Wars, in general? If so, let's hear it.
Henceforth, you shall be known as Shill-Crush...
Lol!! That's awesome
Love it 😂
That would imply that he crushed Shills.
@@Valkyreonfck, thats true 😅 because he's definitely NOT shilling for Disney 🤣
If this is you not shilling for Disney's Star Wars, I can't imagine what it would be like if you do.
Spoken like a very true toxic fan.
I like telling toxic fans that George ruined Star Wars in 1994 and then again with, "Midachlorian."
I had to come back several times to finish this video because my brain cannot accept more than 5 minutes of bullsh*t at a time.
Ryan, social media wasn’t even around for the prequels trilogy. You’re blaming fans for the media & Jake’s classmates. You didn’t double check your sources. 🤦🏻♂️
Even Jake Lloyd's mom debunked the whole fans ruined Jake's life nonsense
"Tell him to check his source next time" Bully Maguire
-Praise Sequels
-Criticize Prequels
-Diminish Luke’s character arc
-Blame fans
-but also, not a Disney shill
…right.
👏👏👏👏…
Guys, this video is a send help message. He looks like he’s been awake for several days getting water boarded by Mickey Mouse and his henchmen.
We must rescue him! I agree that this is a cry out for help. Either that or he just went insane.
Keep in mind everyone that he is absolutely NOT shilling for Disney 😉
He lost me at 8:27 that was one of the worst choreography we’ve ever seen…
I had to pause and rewind 😂😂😂
He lost me at 0:00.
I remember the breakdown for this. Rey’s actress literally missed like 2 cues so the guards had to do like 2 useless spins. Not to mention the missing blade, the three person kick, multiple times the guards swung at the blades and not the person they’re trying to kill, etc.
You wanna know something funny, screencrush? I used to watch the hell out of you, newrockstars, and emergency awesome 2-3years back until I realized the SHILLS you guys actually were lol, suckin up to ANYTHING Disney marvel or Star Wars no matter how bad the quality, good times good times 😎
"I'm not shilling for disney" RIIIIGHT.... 🙄🤣
No, I do not agree with you/screencrush in this video.. They are all bad films. Visually okay, but it was clear they had no idea what to do with the IP.. But the fact that you said that the fight in the throne room/petorian fight @8:27 was the best choreographed fight in all of star wars? What the fudge? I just lost all respect for you and the channel
That may be the worst fight in the franchise... At least the movies
You really can’t be serious, Ryan. The prequel trilogy stands up to the test of time with a massive following. The sequel trilogy has 0 following less than a decade later…
Sadly it doesn’t have 0 following. Disney shills like it, however they don’t know any thing about Star Wars. Lol
The prequel trilogy sucked when it happened and continues sucking today - you’re just lying to yourself cuz you hate the Disney movies (which also suck).
@@sircaptaintm4983 nope/cope
prequel trilogy had many issues but its night and day difference compared to the sequels.
A UA-camr called Mr. Grizzy called him out!!!
Anyone who thinks rise of skywalker is a “really good film” should disqualify you for any legit opinions being taken seriously
The sequels don't make any sense, it is ridiculous to even consider that they were remotely better than Attack of the clones, the phantom mence and the Revenge of the Sith. The only thing I got from this entire video was order to make it sound like the sequels weren't bad, he had to bring down the movies I mentioned. What a joke. The sequels were bad, period.
Anakin struggled with the dark side and luke as well. But of course you gotta slam George Lucas star wars to boost up dismal star wars. And the dude who played jar jar was hated by the critics. You sir are a dismal shill
“These are not the movies you hate!” Waving hands in front of me
"What? You think you're some kind of Jedi, waving your hand around like that? I'm a Toydarian. Mind tricks don't work on me…."
Only Money...
Watto was such a closet Jedi fanboy, lol.
Hope the Disney check was a fat one
Gotta get that access pass from disney tho, but ofc SC is NOT shilling guys.
No. Actually. It was worse than I remembered.
Yup. They are ageing extremely poorly.
“I’m not shilling for Disney.” Proceeds to shill for Disney. These movies are absolute garbage. Just stop trying to defend this trash.
Instead of making assumptions, assuming the worst, and attacking Disney, I suggest you have another look at Star Wars. You might just start to get out of it what George Lucas intended.
@@mattrismatt
What exactly did they "assume"?
@ A far better question... What has this audience _not_ assumed about the Star Wars story?
@@mattrismatt The fact that Lucasfilm and Disney didn't have any plan for the trilogy's story. Or that Palpatine wasn‘t originally planned to come back.
@@mattrismatt hi, just took another look at it. The sequels suck, and you need to have better taste in media
So did Disney ask you to bend over or sit on your knees while you were making this video? What a horrible video! The sequel trilogy was so great that... we haven't gotten a new SW movie in nearly 6 YEARS! Destroyed the entire franchise.
0:09 didn’t even make it past that first sentence. Shill
The check cleared
This channel should be called Disney Crush.
Abominations. Should not be canon. Should be remade. Nothing much else to say.
They're just Disney canon....
Agreed!
Like the Star Wars prequels, the sequels will never be remade. I implore you to stop thinking like this. Instead, seek reality. You might just learn a great many things.
@@mattrismatt lol they don't need to be remade... We have the far superior Expanded Universe as the true sequel stories 💯
@ What about the EU volumes makes them superior to the canon?
Dude you schilled
We true Star Wars fans are still waiting for Episode VII to be actually written, filmed and released.
Please define ' true Star Wars fans'.
@@mattrismatt Fans that can tell when a writer fails to line up with prior-established-lore. If you can't tell when something doesn't fit, you can't be paying attention enough to say you're a fan(atic). If you don't realize that that the sequel trilogy doesn't exist in the same universe as the Lucas-films, you aren't paying attention. They aren't even the same lore. Disney-Jedi are depressed losers because Disney the ep8 writer didn't know that Jedi(Djed-Eye) were allegories for enlightened beings so now we have Disney-depressed-jedi, who, would be falling to the darkside, under Lucas-lore. Same writer also confused spiritual warrior monks using mystical techniques that take decades to learn for space-mutants with super powers than can die if they use their power too much. LOL! He actually had Rey using Palpatine techniques JUST because she was related. No training necessary. Now, if you KNOW Lucas-Star Wars, you KNOW that the dark side is the quick and easy path and the light side is the dedicated path. Oh Look! Kylo dedicated his whole life and Rey can just... do things cuz powers(but in lucas-lore, these are mystical techniques so this isn't even possible in Lucas-universe because they aren't mutants with powers lol). So AGAIN, that writer confused the concept of the dark side and the light side because he didn't know the difference or even understand the prior lore.
It's hilariously glaring to any fan that they had a non-fan and hack write episode 8 which, in turn, made ep7 even worse by having the stupidest answers for JJs mystery boxes because he felt no responsibility to keep it in context with the lore. LOL
When you can't tell the difference between a fanfic written by a hack and the actual lore, you're not really a fan. You'll swallow anything put in front of you.
@@OGSF_Apoc What prior-established-lore? What doesn't fit in the sequels?
Tell me, how 'enlightened' _were_ the Jedi? Anakin fell to the dark side as the Jedi Order itself fell. If they became 'depressed losers', they had every right to be.
How much do we really know about these 'mystical techniques' that the 'spiritual warrior monks' used? You assume Luke is truly dead. If _"No one's ever really gone."_ and he did return, wouldn't that signify that the Hero's Journey is still on?
Yes, 'Rey used Palpatine techniques' because taking 'the quick and easy path' was her place in the story. Remember, Anakin and Luke accomplished astounding feats using the Force rather easily/quickly/young without so-called 'training'. And look what eventually happened to them. It's like they were being used... the means to an end. _But what end?_
As far as 'understanding the prior lore' goes, you should know that has not yet been revealed how the Force works, not truly. Trust that all will be revealed before _the end._
From personal experience, I can tell that you're confused, having assumed so much about this story (almost everything) that you can't tell the difference between _substance_ and _distraction._ Talk about 'not paying attention' and 'swallowing anything put in front of you'! Even after three trilogies - and so much more - you're no wiser than any Jedi... not that that would anything to brag about.
@@mattrismatt You sound ridiculous and for many words, contradicted nothing.
You can watch the movies in order and without anything else, notice the serious lore-flubs. If you can't, you didn't understand it.
But by all means, try to explain how 1 times 1 is 2 like Terrance Howard, again. It still doesn't add up and sounds like bs because it is.
@@OGSF_Apoc In my previous post, I picked apart your weak/assumptive points, made astute points of my own, and questioned everything you so boldly claimed. You responded with absolutely nothing of substance. Specifically, what did I say that 'sounds ridiculous'? I challenge you to use facts, logic, and the literal words of the story to formulate your conclusions and reasoning. Otherwise, everything you type - and think - is _utterly meaningless._
_"It still doesn't add up and sounds like bs because it is."_ From my point of view, that statement applies to the mass-interpretation of Star Wars, particularly the Saga I through VI... or even just the OT. Do you have any idea where I'm coming from? Do you not even know what you don't know about the story... and why it needs to be told to us?
The usual shill video. Defending the shitty sequels, while trying to tear down the prequels.
The prequels do suck, they are coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
that wasn't a normal brownie my dude! come back to us once the sobered up a bit! you're talking crazy!
I've actually really had enough of this Requel Era. Every franchise film needs to be filled with callbacks and easter eggs, to the point it can't be it's own thing, it needs to be the ghost of an old classic. Let's bring back filmmakers who can make their own films without needing to rely on old classics to find an audience.
It's called being self-referential. And yes - it is Star Wars' biggest flaw currently. Eventually, they'll have to let go of the Skywalker saga and go back and do the Old Republic with Emperor Vitiate, Darth Revan, Darth Malik, Darth Nihilus, etc.
@ I believe the Force Awakens started the trend (as in, was the first really big one that showed others they can just remake old films with a new skin). Since then it’s been nothing but memberberries in pretty much every major franchise. Ghostbusters, Jurassic World, Axel F, Spiderman No Way Home, Terminator Genysis, all the Disney live action remakes, Matrix Resurrections, Indiana Jones, and it goes on and on, films trying to be older films.
The problem is the consumers and their expectations, not the filmakers per se. The Last Jedi was the biggest break from the nostalgia/legacy and that generated a huge backlash. The entertainment corporations cannot fight with their target customers and succeed financially. That's why I thought Ryan's observations about culture were relevant and insightful. Well done, Ryan.
@ I try not to say this out loud too often, as a huge Star Wars fan, but yeah The Last Jedi is probably the best made sequel film, and had some of the best ideas of the three films. It was just a bad SW film and made worse by being undone in The Rise of Skywalker.
And yeah it seems that modern consumers crave memberberries and everything needs to be connected these days, otherwise what’s the point? Sigh.
. I am totally with you except i actually think its a very good SW film as well. Easily top 5
I wonder how much Disney pays him... Lol
This might be his audition to join Erik Voss
First nominee for the worst take of 2025
Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong.
Mate 🤨
I hope for your sake that you're shilling, because the alternative is that you've lost your mind.
He is. It's the only way SC to stay relevant
Not shilling for Disney? Lol ya ok keep coping
A light switch?! A LIGHT SWITCH?!
Anakin murdered a bunch of sand people then went off to war. THAT WAS HOW HIS TURN TO THE DARK SIDE STARTED!
Then pledged full loyalty under a vague idea of stopping someone from dying. Then said person dies in spite of it and he still just decides to go along with the guy who couldn' t even do that fir him for some reason. (Not talking about extended material that makes up for the short comings, just what the movies themselves show.)
@@motherplayer His fall definitely could have been handled more smoothly, but Lucas did set up all the childhood traumas, corrupting influences, and red flags. It wasn't out of nowhere. Where I think they went too far was having Anakin be the ones to slaughter the younglings. I think he should have gotten there too late to stop it, let his face show some guilt and regret before accepting he can't bring them back, and the tell Padme "I've gone too far to turn back now", so we the audience could connect to still seeing *some* good in him.
I think it goes all the way back to The Phantom Menace. Yoda recognizes Anakin's fear and gives the classic speech: “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering”.
And then they rightfully decide NOT to train him. But then Obi-Wan guilts them into it later.
That fear was the start of his path down.
@Doctor_Omega fair point, but kid Anakin hadn't yet acted on it. Young adult Anakin was a child murder BEFORE he went off to War! If anybody thinks his turn to the dark side was too simplistic, they don't consider child murder to be evil as long as those kids' parents did some evil stuff first.
Saying you’re not shilling while shilling is some next level shilling 😂
You're no longer one of us
@@woodopolis6339 well you do have an invitation to leave
Okay, Gretchen.
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You forgot the C3PO memory wipe that gets immediately undone... perhaps even more annoying then the chewie death fake out since the scene of Poe catching 3-PO rebooting himself is genuinely moving and makes you appreciate how the OG comical sidekick has indeed been one of the heroes throughout. The sacrifice should have meant something
I disagree 100% with Ryan on this video. JJ is a competent director, but not a good one. He's a terrible storyteller. His aliens for this whole trilogy are boring wrinkly things. His films always have non-stop action. There's never a moment to rest, otherwise you'd have time to think and realize how dumb the previous scene was. And the fake out death thing is something he overuses as much as his "mystery box" garbage. Go watch "Cowboys and Aliens" - he pulls the same fake out death crap in that one too.
@@Doctor_Omegaif you can’t see past a few personal nit picks to see the touching scene between Han and Kylo, to understand those hard relationships between father and sons, to ignore the political aspects of corruption not having a clear evil side but driven by power and wealth, to disregard the themes of finding family in unexpected places, then you aren’t the audience Star Wars deserves. You probably think the inclusion of Palpatine is a stupid forced villain, even though in both the previous trilogies the emperor has been the main driving evil and only makes a proper feature in the third film. You think you know a thing about storytelling but like a lot of you haters you can’t see the forest for the trees. You want video game stories where the hero continually gets more bad ass until they blast away the bad guy with no consequences, even though that’s literally never been the way any Star Wars trilogy has gone. Anakin fails, Luke fails, obi wan fails, yoda can’t make Luke stay and train. The point of Star Wars is to point out corruption in power, and the destructive nature of ignorance and hate, and you’ve completely ignored that and bought into the dark side like a complete simpleton.
@ Star Wars is not nearly as deep as you try to make it out to be. You want thoughtful sci-fi, watch Star Trek before JJ killed that too.
Star Wars was always simple good vs. evil made for children. That's STRAIGHT from George Lucas himself. That's why people loved the original trilogy and the other two were divisive.
JJ should have moved on from the classic characters, but he went for the memberberry pie. His storytelling is one-dimensional. He uses the same gimmicks over and over and over and over.
Reusing Palpatine was idiotic. Read the original story for Episode IX - Duel of the Fates. It would have been fantastic and kept Rey as a nobody; Rey Solana.
Luke failing is what make The Last Jedi so fantastic. Yoda flat out says "LET THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY GO" and JJ followed it up by bringing Palpatine and Solo back. He's a hack.
Also, we can disagree, but the personal attacks were a bit much. Grow the F up.
@@Doctor_Omega calling you a simpleton isn’t a personal attack, it’s just an insult based on your actions. If you had glasses and I made fun of you for them, THAT would be a personal attack. There’s a difference. Telling me to grow the f up is the same as calling me a child which is an insult the same as what I did, except it had no basis. So you’re a hypocrite at best and a simpleton at worst.
Secondly, your incredibly original thought that Star Wars is basic good vs evil like some kind of pantomime is laughably small brained. It uses clear visual language, but it’s never just good vs evil. Vader is the bad guy, but he’s also the hero’s father, Luke is the hero, but he’s underpowered and moody, Han is a selfish smuggler criminal but makes the right choice to help save the day every time sacrificing his own life. Anakin is a slave and a god, a hero and a villain, the savior and the destroyer.
The angriest person in the series in Leia who does only good, and the happiest person is the emperor who does nothing but evil. Every relationship is grey, not black and white. There’s always a compromise. Lord of the rings is black and white. There’s a clear mark through good and evil and anyone who is good and does evil is just doing it because they’ve been poisoned outside their will.
The series is based on historical politics from the Roman Empire to the Nazis and Vietnam. Palpatine is a film reference to the politician Palantine from Taxi Driver. The sequel’s predicted the rise of Trump like popularism and the prequels were a response to Bush.
Don’t be naive, the Star Trek films don’t deliver even an ounce of thoughtful sci fi. The series are so long that they have great episodes dealing with gender and slavery and honor and war and some that are so silly but you love them anyway. But they are on the nose morality stories that are not the same as Star Wars. Family, society, war, politics, passions and love is what Star Wars is about. It’s just not all surface level so people like you can’t see it.
@@EatSleepEmpire Rey is the literal description of what you said about video game stories "where the hero gets more bad ass until they blast away the bad guy with no consequences" ooopsie...
I thought you make an insightful argument about these films, and although I wasn't the biggest fan I can see and appreciate what you point out. It allows me to look at this from a different angle and that's cool. Thank you!
I agree! This interpretation of the sequel trilogy makes it somewhat better.
Not its not no it dont no it wont
All credibility lost for SC
The common through line is the lack of a through line.
At least Luke has a beautiful arc in Last Jedi.
@JasonDeline no he doesn't. He just fades away after forcing too hard after a fake non confrontation with the problems he created. Died alone and isolated on an island just as he started.
@plumbussmith He becomes the hero everyone expected him to be, protecting his friends with all his strength, without striking out in violence. It's beautiful. 🤷
@JasonDeline they blew up 5 planets in one go. Billions and billions of lives. He does a fake confrontation a few days or weeks later.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Jake Skywalker and his arc was the most disappointing thing about the sequels.
@@plumbussmith Sorry it wasn't for you.
Hahahah i cant stop listening to this! JJ abrams “making finn jump over a barrel” adds little touches hahahhahahahah
Gatekeeper's Alliance, ASSEMBLE!
This has to be a joke right 😂😂😂
These videos are made to fire up the comment section. It's what SC does to stay somewhat relevant
Now you’re just fishing for rage bait engagement. Shameful.
How Dare You! Sequels are garbage, pure garbage! Ill never watch them again. Once was too much. Give me Jar Jar any day other than Dysentery Star Wars!
I'm with Doug. Phantom Menace is the best prequel trilogy movie and I will die on that hill!
One Idea: JJ Abrams = Hack = Nepobaby
The prequels were a good story, hidden behind poor execution. The sequels were bad story, hidden behind good execution. The prequels were original, they added to Star Wars without recycling previous content. The sequels were made by people blinded by nostalgia... hell, The Force Awakens was basically a beat-for-beat remake of A New Hope! And Rise of Skywalker was SO BAD I felt insulted after watching it, I could write an essay on all the things it did poorly.
So... no, the sequels were crap. I wish they weren't. It's a testament to Filoni and Favreau that they are doing such a good job justifying the sequels with their content on Disney+.
I fully agree! As much of a mess as the franchise is I do love the direction they’ve been going recently (especially with Favreau and Filoni) in filling in the gaps and cracks of the franchise to make it more connected and complete. That’s a big reason why I think shows like the Mandalorian are so good. At the end of the day, through all of the messiness, I still love and will continue to love Star Wars!
So, basically, you’re telling us not to trust our lying eyes. How much did Disney pay you for this piece?
9:57 I didn't see Maz giving Chewie the medal as him being honored, but as a person being given their dogs collar after the dog died, and it broke me. Wookies are so long lived compared to humans that I've always enjoyed the irony that Han and Chewie were like the inverse of a human and his dog, so I found this scene incredibly touching and sad.
You cant expect a casual Star Wars fan like Ryan to understand this nuance. He thinks TLJ is a perfect masterpiece lol
@@RajBauer But The Last Jedi is an amazing movie!
@@SuperPlacido1 except it isn’t
@@RajBauer How not?
@ force powers that made no sense, no explanation on Luke’s behaviour. The guy who had faith in his father when no one else did is just going to think even for a flash to kill his nephew, what a joke. All the characters having dumb plot lines - Poe, Finn, Rose and Rey. Rey being a nobody which makes no sense because she is just amazing at everything without any training, there was a reason that anakin was good at things within the rules established by the universe. The light speed maneuver which makes no sense because that’s not how light speed works. I could go on and on
"If we're not careful that evil we thought we defeated is going to come back" Needed that warning a few months ago.
If you didn't hear it you weren't listening.
Everybody heard the warning at least 4 years ago
No, its way worse and its the reason the franchise is dead.
Nice clickbait though.
@@BaithNa no, but it did start a decline that although temporarily resolved by The Mandalorian would lead up to the franchise’s actual death with The Acolyte
@@spaceagepenguin sequels = acolyte
@@user-my2nm5wv1e you seem to forget there were still a bunch of people that loved The Last Jedi and liked The Rise of Skywalker enough, as well as that, each installment of the trilogy did make over one billion dollars
It's super fun to watch. Especially episode 8.
and this is what you call a bad take Screen Crush. Hand in your geek card on the way out and and any shred of dignity you had left.
stop letting colton write these videos. dudes beating a dead horse. seriously liked it better before he was more involved
We're missing the visible thumbs down today..... really curious about the ratio.....
At this current moment, this video has approx 4,500 dislikes and 2,300 likes. Like a 60% dislike ratio. So most viewers hated this video.
Somehow…. Ryan changed his mind
"i'm NoT a dISnEy SHill" Shill's for Disney for 25 minutes. This is the worst take ever. 💩on the prequels to make the sequels sound good typical shill behavior, the praetorian guard fight was awful it's no where close to the best fight in Star Wars. But the most idiotic statement ever is when talking about Rey in Episode 9 " We've never ever really seen a Jedi on screen struggle with the dark side" WTF!!!!!!!! Tell us you've never watched the prequel trilogy without telling us you never saw the prequel trilogy. That was the entire story of Episodes 1-2-3 Anakin Skywalker struggling with the dark side. Even Luke struggled with the dark side for a moment in Episode 6. This is the worst take ever by someone trying to make the sequels sound better than the flaming pile of dog turds they are. But you're not a shill What a joke 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I really like TFA, love TLJ, don't like TROS. Palpatine should not have returned. Plus, in terms of soundtrack, it's like John Williams was trying to make us a "best of Star Wars soundtrack" rather than scoring the movie : using Yoda's theme when Yoda's not there (when Luke lifts the X-Wing, we could understand the call back to ESB but when Chewie gets a medal, it makes no sense), using Luke and Leia's theme when neither is there but Lando is talking to Jannah and so on... But there are still enjoyable scene like Lando's arrival on Exegol
What I liked about Palpatine's return was, after decades of seeing Jedi force ghosts and knowing the Sith can't do that - because they are so self centered they can't merge with the force - we finally see the grotesque lengths a Sith goes through (decades of cloning experiments) to cheat death for 'immortality'. And watching The Bad Batch series, we know Palpatine's decades long Project Necromancer was dependent on finding the key to pass on midicholians from one body to another. And, if you think Palpatine's return was random, try being a kid watching Return Of The Jedi and finding out Luke and Leia were siblings this whole time. Or the random repeating of the Death Star as a big bad. Finally, I realized once Force Ghost Yoda appeared in The Last Jedi, that you can't have Yoda without Palpatine. They are the Two Great Opposites in the Force, and both were there at the beginning in Episode I. I think Palpatine would agree - "You can't have a party without ME."
Hot take but Rey Skywalker > Leia Skywalker
Darn I never thought of that, I love how through all the crap of Star Wars sequel haters you get someone who has a perspective that’s new and refreshing
@@Iwillone rey isnt skywalker kid leia destroy easily
@@user-my2nm5wv1e Leia being made a Skywalker in Ep 6 was the more unnecessary decision is what I'm saying.
Ryan, dude. I think you've finally managed to quantify and sort out my feelings about the sequels. Im a 1976 baby so i grew up and original OT fan and made a pilgrimage to Celebration I in Denver. I remember when all the Star Wars we had was the West End Games D6 RPG I played throughout High School. That was it! Good luck finding a Star Wars Shirt ANYWHERE. I've had a load of mixed feelings ever since walking out of the EP9 premiere 9 movie marathon at Disney Springs. This. THIS right here has really helped me see where I stand and I agree SO much with your analysis. Hope to see you in Orlando!
you make good points... my ultimate barometer of whether a movie is good or not is if I want to re-watch it in my spare time. I haven't felt the need to re-watch the sequel trilogy... of course the only Star Wars property I enjoy re-watching is the Mandalorian.
That's fair. I have enjoyed TLJ. Only series I haven't rewatched was Book of Boba though :
@@ForestRaptorBook of 💩
Andor?
Watch Skeleton crew. I just finished I and am already down for a rewatch. Unlike Sequels
I have only rewatched mando1-2 and andor. The rest can follow willow out the door (except skeleton crew)
No, it's actually worse than I thought it was.
Even if you didn’t like TROS, you can’t hate on Babu Frik. What an adorable guy!
...damn thats true.
Baby Frik is 100% the best thing from that abortion of a trilogy.
Babu Frik was cute. Thankfully I had been warned about RotS, before my bestfriend begged me and bought my ticket so I would watch it. (I had already decided to just walk away after TLJ), so I spent the whole movie laughing and at least appreciating that the tone was fun. Babu was one of the elements that felt like Star Wars.
Only sequel character I don’t want retconned
@ I do love some Kylo Ren / Ben. I just wish more had been done with his character.
@ He's kind of a cardboard version of Jacen Solo, so lots of novels for him.
Thanks, Ryan for making this video. I really appreciate this thought process and have never considered looking at these movies from this "certain point of view". Perhaps a rewatch is in order for me soon.
Don't buy into it man.. this video was made to keep SC in good standing with Disney.
Bot.
Really appreciated this one! You treated this topic with the levity it deserves.
Also the line "Not the Star Wars we needed but the Star Wars we deserved," is maybe the most accurate description of this series I've heard.
You actually have a point. These movies are a sign of the times.
21:54 Your argument about the sequel trilogy being fans of the original trilogy can also be applied to Skeleton Crew: the kids in Skeleton Crew have only ever heard of Jedi and don't know about what happened in the other movies so it feels disconnected from them.
I think the set up for it is a bit better in Skeleton Crew. It makes sense this little boy on a safe, comfortable, isolated planet is enamored with adventure stories, like little boys often are with knight or soldiers or superheroes. With Rey...who's telling her these stories? She can't remember her parents. There doesn't seem to be a school or access to the holonet. She has no friends. Why is Kylo obsessed with a grandfather he never met? Why would Han/Leia/Luke *not* teach him that the Empire was bad and Vader saved Luke in the end?
I cannot believe the timing of this video. I'm nearing the end of a months-long project to rewatch ALL Star Wars content (movies, series, and games) in timeline order, mostly because I'm curious how the long, LONG narrative holds up when viewed that way. Just today I finished TLJ and am resuming the Resistance series before capping it off with (shudder) RoS. You've commented at length about how a lot of the content we've been getting since RoS has been geared toward explaining Palpatine's return, but then, the Clone Wars series existed to better explain Anakin's otherwise instantaneous fall to the Dark Side, and Rebels (and, later, Rogue One) explained the coalescence of the Rebellion . . . I mean, the Prequel Trilogy basically exists to explain the HUGE plot twist at the end of ESB. So ever since the Original Trilogy (I own that t-shirt, by the way), Star Wars has always been about filling in gaps. And honestly, my experience watching the whole saga in timeline order has been pretty rewarding, because most people have actually done a great job filling those gaps with (considering the enormity of the Star Wars saga) impressive continuity. And even though I'm with you on RoS-I've actually never rewatched it since seeing it in theaters, and it's the only Star Wars movie I don't own on dvd-after rewatching TLJ today, I realized the seeds for Palpatine's surprise return and Rey's surprise heritage were there. Not intentionally, of course, and I still wish we'd actually gotten Trevorrow's continuation of what Johnson laid down. But Abrahms found the seeds he needed for his story and used them, so in retrospect, RoS is less of a surprise than it felt like initially. All of which is to say, thank you, Ryan and the ScreenCrush gang, for this PERFECTLY timed video. It's pretty much where my head is right now, and I feel validated.
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE SCHILLS, NOT JOIN THEM!
@@TheRealstarkHOUTx what is your definition of shill anyways?
@@spaceagepenguin fake fan defend trash
@@user-my2nm5wv1e I see, well there are certainly cases where some fans mindlessly defend the Disney stuff without thinking much, in that you are right.
But I also know there are people online who will mindlessly defend the prequels too.
so to be honest, there’s shills on both sides of the coin.
Lol.. amen to that
I had to check my calendar to see if today was April Fools Day
A thoughtful and well put together video, Ryan.
And I have to say, thank you for evidently listening to your audience and not continuing with the gambling advertising. That would have been very damaging to your brand, and it’s good to see that you and the team took on feedback.
I unironically love 2/3rds of the sequel trilogy and can find many things entertaining of the last 1/3rd. They're not of Lucas caliber but at the same time, I don't think anything other than the original and prequel trilogy are of Lucas quality, including The Clone Wars. They're all decently made films with each of the filmmaker's limitations and I'm tired of pretending they're not!
I’m not a shill because I make videos about how bad TROS was. Proceeds to start shilling the trilogy and crapping on the prequels. Classic Disney shill behaviour.
I always feel like i'm a crazy person because I liked The Last Jedi
TLJ is the best film of the saga
I think history would have remembered it with more fondness too if the third film didnt completely abandon all the ideas it was seeding too.
It's awesome! Episode 7 bored the shit out of me because I already saw Episode 4. I LOVED the twists in Episode 8. Best of the final three in my opinion.
You're a crazy person.
@ it’s true…. All of it …
Don’t let bro cook again
Lucas himself summed it up...the films look great but they did nothing new. Hate the prequels all you like, Avengers Endgame was filmed on blue screen too, so Lucas adopted and developed a medium that then defined the next 20 years of film making. Abrams just took on the cool stuff, its a shame but hey ho as you said the cash grab nature is what we deserve of films of our time.
Ryan, if you're being taken hostage by Disney blink with both eyes!
It’s Hans Metal! Leah was holding it when she died. Maz gave it to Chewy because he was literally a family member and loyal AF! That metal is his!
Yeah, I see it as more as a sentimental trinket. Like keeping your late dog's collar.
@ Bingo!
I’m 38 and I still have a nice dress shirt from high school I still wear, and I still have a Gorillaz shirt I got from hot topic in 2006
I really like this dive into the good aspects of this movies. I also get a lot of the criticism the got but I had a good couple of hours with all of them because they are good and fun movies if you can pass some narrative issues and SW idiosyncracies. And I'm 41yo, so no bias here lol.
I guess I know what I will rewatch this weekend!
You definitely don't double check your sources.
They were definitely the Star Wars that we got 25:05
The only annoyance for me ever was Jar Jar Binks but I understood his place in the movies- I am diametrically opposed to attacking the actor that brought him to life.
Oh I watched Starwars at age 11 in 1977.
For what thats worth.
Excellent report as always Ryan
@@patrickestwick5675 agreed, Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd deserved better treatment from fans
They didn't get bad treatment from the fans. Jake Lloyd's mom already debunked that and Ahmed recently stated in an article that it was the media.
Hot take: I liked all 3 (in this order 8, 7, 9). I had issues w moments in each film, but overall, the nostalgia factor, the cinematography, the vfx, and the movies being just plain fun to watch, makes me like them.
My favourite scene: the Holdo maneuver took my f#@%ing breath away and completely rocked my mind in IMAX. Cutting the sound in that scene was inspired. Rian Johnson solidified his place as one of my all time favourite directors (Brick? Looper?!!) with that s#!t.
Hate me now, h8rade guzzlers. I don’t caaaaaaare-ahhhhhh
The last Jedi is in my top 3 Star Wars films. Don’t let the malding nerds think you’re the anomaly.
I used to love this channel, what happened to you dude? The sequels are awful, The Last Jedi is one of he worst films ever made.
The sequel trilogy failed… infamously, it wasn’t planned out well at all. The Last Jedi doesn’t fit the Force Awakens, and Rise of Skywalker was like sparkly duct tape, attempting to pull together the whole fundamentally broken thing.
It is freaking awful, you're high AF
Diverse thought is a good thing. While I cannot agree with all of this is does help me consider blind spots in my original opinion.
Great show in Dallas last night! My feelings for the sequels say both ways. They honestly don't feel like Star Wars to me with the way they were shot. When you watch all 3 trilogies in a row, the sequel definitely does not fit, but there are parts in each I do enjoy. The Palpatine returning never bothered me much since I've read a lot of the EU, but felt like it could be confusing for the characters in the sequel since The Clone Wars was only brought up once in the OT and never mentioned anywhere again (for the movies and general audience). I think Johnson could make a great Star Wars movie/ trilogy, he just shouldn't have tried to destroy everything Abrams tried to set up. And back to that, they should have had one set story where they wanted to go with the trilogy and characters instead of give the directors free range opportunity to do pretty much whatever they want.
Like to see this. I will always have issues with these films but to say they dont have a lot going for them is just false. I can think these are great films while totally agreeing it’s not the direction I would’ve gone and also thinking they are not great conclusions to the skywalker saga.
It’s why I really really want to see more of Luke, Han and Leia in the Mandoverse because while the story works it certainly feels like half the story was ripped out.
Also you make the Arthur reference with Rey, Luke really is King Arthur. Remember after the fall of Camelot Arthur walked away too, had to be convinced why a knight to come back and he died fighting his bastard son. It’s uncanny and clear what they were going for. Yet I’ve never seen this pointed out.
Uhh... What? No.