Watching the Rankin and Bass Return of the King for the First Time

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  • We watched the Rankin & Bass Return of the King for the first time today, and to be honest...it was definitely not the worst we've ever seen.
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  • @rinmathews9337
    @rinmathews9337 Рік тому +381

    Say what you want, Where there's a Whip there's a Way is still a banger.

    • @Tamlinearthly
      @Tamlinearthly Рік тому +38

      All the orc/goblin songs in these movies are deceptively metal. To this day I often get "Fifteen Birds In Five Fir Trees" stuck in my head at the oddest times.

    • @gardener68
      @gardener68 Рік тому +8

      I saw this movie in a middle school classroom, and that song is the one thing I remember.

    • @thegreatermysteries4134
      @thegreatermysteries4134 Рік тому +7

      @@Tamlinearthly Both are total bangers.

    • @sourisvoleur4854
      @sourisvoleur4854 Рік тому +6

      Went and looked it up -- dang that's fantastic.

    • @Sehestedtify
      @Sehestedtify Рік тому +21

      Definitely the greatest song ever recorded in the criminally under appreciated genre of Orc Disco.

  • @NathanS__
    @NathanS__ Рік тому +316

    in the book, Sam was tempted by the Ring and his idea of power was filling Mordor with thick & beautiful gardens so that part of this adaptation is actually accurate.

    • @penultimateh766
      @penultimateh766 Рік тому +5

      @@carlbumpkin7963 No, I think he jus put it on, got bit, and fell.

    • @ianwestc
      @ianwestc Рік тому +8

      @@carlbumpkin7963 The Peter Jackson films were actually fairly accurate in intertwining the story lines as they happened, instead of Tolkien's separating them out as individual books. They might have fudged things just a little, but overall it gives a reasonable timeline. As opposed to the Rankin/Bass version where Frodo puts on the ring, and he's in the mountain the entire time that it takes for the Battle of Pelennor Fields to end, the council, and the men of the west to travel to the black gate. A ridiculous amount of time!

    • @laspector
      @laspector Рік тому +1

      @@penultimateh766 No, in the books it was a good while before Sam found him.

    • @barryjeanfontenot4502
      @barryjeanfontenot4502 9 місяців тому +11

      The vision of a fecund Mordor was actually one of my favorite parts; it’s an interesting take on how the Ring uses the best parts of a person to corrupt them- the pieces of themselves of which they’re most proud, eg Sam’s ability to bring life to things.

    • @nataliestclair6176
      @nataliestclair6176 7 місяців тому +4

      Yes they did that right, he was not wearing the ring at the time but it was "calling out" to him to put it on and it showed him how he would be Samwise the Strong and defeat Sauron and make Mordor into a beautiful land full of flowers and beautiful trees.
      Sam resisted becuase he never had such ambitions and being a simple gardener was enough for him.

  • @ogier300
    @ogier300 Рік тому +105

    I will never forget "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way" from this movie. Still sing that one when work assigns too much work.

    • @MrChickennugget360
      @MrChickennugget360 6 місяців тому +3

      "its so easy not to try" should totally become a meme for shit movies

  • @stapler942
    @stapler942 Рік тому +52

    I'll give the Rankin-Bass movie this. They kept Frodo and Sam the focus and adapted parts of their story that Peter Jackson skipped. And I especially love the inclusion of the full confrontation with Gollum on the side of the mountain: Frodo using the Ring to intimidate Gollum and possibly "curse" him to his fate in the fire, and Sam staying behind with the sword while Gollum says his final words. Gollum pleading for pity and his speech about turning into dust is one of the most emotional moments of the book for me. It's like he's given one last chance to reform and it's a heartbreaking moment even though he does still try to get the Ring one more time.

    • @MarkLeBay
      @MarkLeBay 7 місяців тому +9

      Yep. One of the things that I thought Peter Jackson’s movie lost and that Rankin and Bass did well was tell the story of the relationship between Frodo and Samwise. The Frodo and Sam relationship and how they related to Gollum is my favorite part of the Lord of the Rings.

  • @sierrasam316
    @sierrasam316 Рік тому +38

    For all its flaws, I love this version. The artwork, the songs, and the sense of dread they captured that other versions didn’t. Also “GROND!!!”

  • @ianm1049
    @ianm1049 Рік тому +83

    That "Frodo of the 9 fingers..." song, to this day, is an earworm that still pops randomly into my head from time to time. I also recall being obsessed with Gollum's design in this and The Hobbit. 😅

    • @jamesraykenney
      @jamesraykenney Рік тому +2

      I have the same thing happen to me all the time...

    • @butterman0007
      @butterman0007 11 місяців тому +2

      Same, but it's an obnoxious remix. With a hype man, like Lill Wayne.

    • @butterman0007
      @butterman0007 11 місяців тому +2

      "Frodo of the 9 fingers (uh!) And the ring of doom (what!?! Yeahah!!!)

    • @OrdinarilyBob
      @OrdinarilyBob 4 місяці тому +2

      Same.

  • @jayelgy383
    @jayelgy383 Рік тому +16

    Animation was done by a Japanese company named Topcraft. When Rankin Bass decided to close, Topcraft's artists were w/o a job so they went and joined a new up company starting up called Studio Ghibli.

  • @paulrogers4852
    @paulrogers4852 Рік тому +43

    As far as it not actually being 2 hours long, it's important to remember that both this and The Hobbit were tv specials. So they were aired in a 2-hour time slot, including commercial breaks.

    • @ericjohnson9623
      @ericjohnson9623 Рік тому +9

      Yes! I was thinking that too when he pointed that out. The films themselves were 95 ish minutes but because of commercials, he thought of them as "two hour films" as that's how they were sold into their time slots.

  • @OrdinarilyBob
    @OrdinarilyBob 4 місяці тому +10

    As a child of the 70/80s, this movie (and the R&B Hobbit) was something we watched all the time. "Frodo of the Nine Fingers" and "Where there's a Whip" are fantastic songs and still pop in my head to this day (especially the latter). It's been a few years since I've watched these, it's time to bring out my DVDs and watch them again!

  • @j.s.c.4355
    @j.s.c.4355 Рік тому +49

    I am only three minutes into your video, but I can tell you that I did not find this version forgettable. For the rest of my life, I remember the song, “where there’s a whip there’s a Way.” and I remembered Sam chasing the orcs up the stairs of Cirith Ungol. And I definitely remembered Frodo standing on the edge in the volcano. I guess I would say that this movie formed my early views as to what Hobbits and orcs looked like.

    • @PartTimeBox
      @PartTimeBox 10 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, there's a lot of things you could call this adaptation but "forgettable" seems a weird choice.

  • @WhiteFox8792
    @WhiteFox8792 9 місяців тому +18

    In my opinion, the music in this version makes it unforgettable. Namely the "Where there's a Whip, there's a way" song. I also like how Sam turns the army of men against the orcs, really shows off the Hobbit wiliness.

  • @mariyontil
    @mariyontil Рік тому +117

    This was probably one of my first experiences with The Lord of the Rings or at least this part of the story. "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way" was often sung in my family.

    • @joepike1972
      @joepike1972 Рік тому +5

      I so love that song! The voice of Tony the Tiger sings in it.

    • @nicholasbrouillette6997
      @nicholasbrouillette6997 Рік тому +1

      That song was often sung in my family as well 😆

    • @neil_chazin
      @neil_chazin Рік тому +1

      That song is so good, at least something is good in that thing

    • @mperezmcfinn2511
      @mperezmcfinn2511 Рік тому +1

      ​@@joepike1972Thurl Ravenscroft. He also sang the Grinch song.

    • @keeperMLT
      @keeperMLT Рік тому +4

      I agree. This was the reason I read the books for the first time at 10 years old. We sang "Whip" all the time in our house. And Ian McKellen may be how Gandalf looks, but John Huston will always be how Gandalf sounds. (So much so that I once had to turn off a WWII documentary Huston was narrating because he sounded like Gandalf.)

  • @Pixis1
    @Pixis1 Рік тому +26

    This movie is a guilty pleasure for me. I recognize that it has flaws (the over-simplified story, the exposition dumps, the lack of Legolas and Gimli, the Witch-king's Skeletor voice). But I love it anyway. This and the Rankin-Bass Hobbit were my introduction to Tolkien and they started a life-long obsession. I find these movies charming. I like the art style and the design choices and I dig the folksy Glenn Yarbrough music. "Where There's a Whip" is an absolute banger.
    Since I saw the cartoons before reading the books, many of the plot points were spoiled for me. When I finally read LOTR, I knew that Gandalf would come back from the dead, how the Ring would be destroyed, that Aragorn would be king, etc. I knew the beginning of the story and the end but had no idea about the middle (didn't see Bakshi's LOTR until years later). It was a strange way to experience the books for the first time but I had fun filling in the missing pieces.

  • @rikk319
    @rikk319 Рік тому +22

    Alan Oppenheimer did Skeletor's voice in the He-Man cartoons, but the guy who did the Witch-King's voice was John Stevenson.

    • @NathanS__
      @NathanS__ Рік тому +6

      Wow, retired from making bombs to do voice work. Amazing.

    • @TomMSTie1138
      @TomMSTie1138 Рік тому

      I just checked IMDb and you're right. Here I always thought Alan did both.

  • @williamblack6912
    @williamblack6912 Рік тому +21

    I have a soft spot for this film and I don't know why maybe it's the style ....but the songs are a banger.

  • @DracoSolon
    @DracoSolon Рік тому +15

    Don't be to hard on this movie. As a kid in 1980 when it came out It was awesome. I still sing "Frodo of the Nine fingers and the ring of doom", and "Where's there's a whip, there's a way, we don't wanna go to war today", to myself from time to time. And I still like it when the Witch King says, "No man may hinder me" instead of no man can kill me and to this day I think if Jackson had used that line in the movies it would have been better. It and the animated Hobbit introduced me to the story and made me want to read the books.

  • @joepike1972
    @joepike1972 Рік тому +12

    I loved this cartoon in my youth. Especially songs like "Where there is a whip there is a way".

    • @wonderscall6486
      @wonderscall6486 3 місяці тому

      My mom would sing it when it was time for chores lol
      (My Mom's super sweet,she just thought it was funny)

  • @dedf15
    @dedf15 Рік тому +24

    I'll be honest, that duel between Eowyn and The Witch King was THE BEST fantasy duel I ever watched in my childhood. Also those movies gave me nightmares about camping out in the mountains...

    • @Wanderer1258
      @Wanderer1258 6 місяців тому +3

      Yes, the impression of Eowyn as a lady-warrior was done excellent here. This cartoon stumbled at the recap of all the previous events, but it has some great parts nevertheless.

  • @DigitalPetrol
    @DigitalPetrol Рік тому +13

    Saw this when it came out with my friends. The whip song still comes up so many years later .

    • @digitalhunter42
      @digitalhunter42 Рік тому +5

      Where there’s a whip, (crack) there’s a way!

    • @Jess_of_the_Shire
      @Jess_of_the_Shire  Рік тому +3

      It's been stuck in my head all week!

    • @donaldpratt2296
      @donaldpratt2296 Рік тому +1

      @@digitalhunter42we don’t wanna go to war today, but the lord of the lash says ‘nay, nay, nay!’”

  • @everettdepangher6131
    @everettdepangher6131 Рік тому +27

    While I wouldn't recommend this to someone new to LOTR, the film works well as a visual supplement for those already familiar with the story. I really appreciated getting to see a visual depiction of Minas Tirith, Orodruin, etc. (Also, the Grond sequence--which is one of my favorites from the book--is still better than Jackson's version.)

    • @thecatladytm7172
      @thecatladytm7172 8 місяців тому

      Yeah, even though they skipped directly to ROTK, I supplemented the story from the LOTR trilogy, so it didn't feel like I was missing anything, and it almost felt like it added even more stuff to the story I already knew.

  • @captainboots
    @captainboots Рік тому +41

    I did watch this as a kid. Even then I knew it didn't really do justice to the material, but it was fun all the same. I even did the classic 80's kid thing where I recorded it on VHS and then recorded some of the audio (songs) onto a cassette tape with a portable recorder. Watching you crack up at the 'it's easier not to try' was hilarious!

    • @laspector
      @laspector Рік тому

      A lot of those songs are on UA-cam. I've downloaded them all and they are on my playlist.

    • @jamiseverstad2185
      @jamiseverstad2185 Місяць тому

      SAAAAME. Our VHS tape was in heavy rotation for decades, and it's beyond warped now.

  • @donaldpratt2296
    @donaldpratt2296 Рік тому +15

    I loved this as a kid, but I’d read the books multiple times before, so it was really just a visualization of a story I knew very well.

  • @chrisritcheson8615
    @chrisritcheson8615 5 місяців тому +2

    When I was little, my dad read LOTR to me using different voices for all the characters, and Frodo was...Paul McCartney. No joke.

  • @seandavidgallagher4494
    @seandavidgallagher4494 Рік тому +11

    Where there's a whip *whip*
    There's a way

  • @windgraceproject
    @windgraceproject Рік тому +12

    Grew up watching this along with the Hobbit. While I remember MUCH about the Hobbit, all I can really recall from this film...are the songs.

  • @JTtheNinja
    @JTtheNinja Рік тому +3

    Many a Monday have I found myself trudging to work singing "Where there's a whip, there's a way..." []

  • @jennytr5056
    @jennytr5056 Рік тому +7

    I watched this as a kid (repeatedly, ad infinitum) - it was my very first introduction to Lord of the Rings - and I have deeply fond memories of it. I still find myself singing the songs. I still remember the first time I saw Frodo put on the ring instead of throwing it into the caldera of Doom. It hit so hard, that utter despair. That same moment in the Peter Jackson movie fails to have the emotional weight of my memory of that scene in this version. The other moment I remember best from this film is Eowyn's monologue to the witch king before she slew him. I loved that so much, could quote it from memory. She became a huge heroine to me. I remember watching Peter Jackson's version, in which they left out the monologue in favor of her simply saying "I am no man." And fair enough, she was tired by then. But I missed the heft of the language that I first learned from Rankin and Bass, quoted straight from the book.

  • @brianlangstraat3066
    @brianlangstraat3066 Рік тому +2

    If only Peter Jackson would have begun the LOTR trilogy with Bilbo, Sam, Gandalf, and Elrond teasing Frodo about his missing ring finger, instead of Galadriel's blabbering.

  • @elisetesdal2371
    @elisetesdal2371 7 місяців тому +2

    I saw this as a child. It is a vintage gem.

  • @FaidosWorkshop
    @FaidosWorkshop Місяць тому +1

    The music and visuals are so amazing, that even under the bad dialogue, and changes, I still love this movie.

  • @fr.andygutierrez5356
    @fr.andygutierrez5356 Рік тому +2

    I was totally wanting to hear, “Where there’s a whip, (*crack!*) there’s a way!” 😂 we would definitely sing that a lot in my family growing up, too

  • @mperezmcfinn2511
    @mperezmcfinn2511 Рік тому +3

    From what I remember, it premiered on TV on a Sunday night. The next day, my only other nerd friend and I hung out on the playground raving about it. And, as one would expect from elementary schoolers, chanting "where there's a whip, there's a way!" throughout recess for the next several weeks. Upon reaching our twenties we formed a band. We are playing next Saturday. You two should come out. I'll put you on the guest list.

  • @mndrew1
    @mndrew1 Рік тому +3

    I can't believe you guys just skipped over the most popular bit from this classic: "Where there's a whip, there's a way'. The Internets love this song!

  • @distractionbeast778
    @distractionbeast778 5 місяців тому +1

    Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch King is FAR superior in this version.

  • @Regal99
    @Regal99 2 місяці тому +1

    All things considered, the "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way" shows that not all orcs were not loyal to Sauron and wanted to just live their lives.

  • @mutterslog785
    @mutterslog785 Рік тому +3

    Imagine being 13 and having seen the Ralph Bakshie version and waiting, waiting and waiting for the sequel and you get this.

  • @jasonlarue5694
    @jasonlarue5694 Рік тому

    Thanks. Glad i found you and will be watching more of your work. Keep up the great work!

  • @MarkLeBay
    @MarkLeBay 7 місяців тому +1

    The voice of Merry is Casey Kasem, who was also the voice of Shaggy in the original Scoobie Doo cartoon and the host of the “American Top Forty” radio show.

  • @DafyddBrooks
    @DafyddBrooks Рік тому +2

    I love the song "Where there's a whip, there is a way" :)

  • @thedarkdane7
    @thedarkdane7 10 місяців тому +1

    "The water!" You two are adorable.

  • @lucasistrom
    @lucasistrom Рік тому +7

    I used to have this one on VHS and I watched it a lot. My second favorite adaptation after the Peter Jackson trilogy. Honestly I almost like the moment of Frodo's failure better in this than in the PJ version. Although I do feel like it is only worth watching if you already are familiar with the story leading up to it.

  • @davidgodfrey880
    @davidgodfrey880 Рік тому +4

    I was 10 when this came out & I remember it fondly. If I watched it all today I know I’d be much closer to your opinion. Still love the ‘where there’s a whip…’ song.

  • @jasontaboada6855
    @jasontaboada6855 Рік тому +3

    As a child when these came out, I did watch the Rankin Bass and Ralph Bakshi animations as a trilogy and it made sense as a continuing story before I read the books. I loved the song “Where there’s a whip, there’s a way“.
    The voice cast included the legendary Paul Frees, Casey Kasem and John Stephenson (not Skeletor but voiced characters from The Transformers, GI Joe and The Flintsones).

  • @Northfan42
    @Northfan42 4 місяці тому +2

    I will never forget the duck sauce.

  • @frankchavez519
    @frankchavez519 Рік тому +3

    I remember seeing this as a kid when it came out and then again later in high school. I've always loved that the Witch King of Angmar sounds like a Scooby-Doo villain and that Orson Bean voices both Bilbo and Frodo. My favorite voice actors are John Huston as Gandalf and Casey Kasem as Merry.

    • @mperezmcfinn2511
      @mperezmcfinn2511 Рік тому

      I can't tell if you're joking? You know the Witch King is voiced by the guy who voiced Scooby-Doo, right?

  • @RonGallant
    @RonGallant Рік тому +2

    Watched it. Forgot about it. Had a reoccurring dream about 9 fingers and a frog.
    A friend said “Sounds like LOTR”!
    Gave me the book and the next 35 years I have been a huge fan.

  • @lauraandrews1676
    @lauraandrews1676 4 місяці тому +1

    Whenever I see the 'Where there's a whip, there's a way' clip, I'm always struck by how non-caring Sam is towards Frodo, lol.
    Frodo says he can't go on, and Sam just says, "I'd rather be singing a good old hobbit song myself," completely ignoring Frodo's plight.

  • @matthewblanchard9805
    @matthewblanchard9805 Рік тому +2

    In the mid 1980's TBS aired the Rankin & Bass Hobbit followed by this every Thanksgiving for a few years. They became somewhat of a family tradition, wherein my brother and I would watch The Hobbit and part of ROTK until we left to go to one of our grandparents houses for Thanksgiving dinner. That yearly tradition is the reason I first read The Hobbit when I was 8, without Rankin and Bass I don't know if I would have found my way to Tolkien - or at least wouldn't have found my way to his works as early as I did.

  • @scottpandich3972
    @scottpandich3972 Рік тому +2

    On the 2 hour/97 minute discrepancy: I am 95% sure this was made as a TV movie (I remember seeing it as an ABC Sunday Night Movie), so it's probably a 2 hour movie with commercials when it aired.
    I have fond memories of this from my childhood, and I have both this and the Rankin-Bass The Hobbit on DVD, and if I remember correctly I bought at least one of them at a nearby supermarket, of all places.
    And "Where There's a Whip There's a Way" is a great song.

  • @sinthoras1917
    @sinthoras1917 Рік тому +2

    Yesss, let's gooo!
    The only LOTR that actually has the scene of the witch king riding into minas tirith in

  • @HighPriestFuneral
    @HighPriestFuneral Рік тому +5

    I actually really like Sam's design in this. That cap he has and the flowing cape does make him out to be a touch heroic, it also helps that his face doesn't look too exaggerated. But I guess as they say, the clothes make the man, or in this case, the Hobbit.
    I also really enjoy that they put in Frodo tapping into Ring-Magic against Gollum, even if the effect used was a little... lacking.

  • @TwoBitWriter
    @TwoBitWriter Рік тому +2

    This is one of those movies that would hold tremendous nostalgia for a certain generation. Before Peter Jackson's movies, this and the Bakshi LOTR were basically all that we had, so we held on to it tightly.

  • @shelbyspinks4944
    @shelbyspinks4944 Рік тому +3

    My dad's appreciation for LOTR infected my family. We were read the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy yearly (and Lloyd Alexander's Chronicles of Prydain were my mother's fantasy of choice were read to us with equal love). We watched the Rankin Bass/ Bakshi "trilogy" frequently, as it was a main pick to put on a VHS while doing summer chores (dusting and wiping and lemon pledging all of the shelves and books in the den-library tooks DAAAAAAYS).

    • @mperezmcfinn2511
      @mperezmcfinn2511 Рік тому +2

      I don't know you, but I'm pretty sure I would have been all about hanging out with your family back in the day.

    • @ianwestc
      @ianwestc Рік тому +3

      Awwwwwww yeah. Raised on the Hobbit, the Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Prydain. And of course, CS Lewis's Narnia series, John Bellair's The House With a Clock in its Walls, and
      Susan Cooper's The Dark Is Rising series. My mom read some of those to me before I could read, and before long, I was reading those (and others) to her, particularly during long car rides. It was like books on tape, but I was the tape.

  • @j.s.c.4355
    @j.s.c.4355 Рік тому +1

    “Saved by low self-esteem” I love you people.

  • @karlsweeney2328
    @karlsweeney2328 Рік тому +1

    Samwise's fantasies of what he could do with the Ring are very much present in the main text.

  • @bradwilliams7198
    @bradwilliams7198 Рік тому +1

    10:25 "I'm going to need that as my new Ring tone!" Good one!

  • @mavz28
    @mavz28 Рік тому +2

    I remember watching this and Flight of Dragons in the local library as a child because my family couldn't afford a VCR, to this day if I smell an old book I hear the music from these movies in my mind!

  • @tarmaque
    @tarmaque Рік тому +2

    Holy Asian Animation. The last time I saw this was in the 80's (and I hated it, being a fan of the books) and before I'd seen any Miyazaki animation. Today I've seen tons of Studio Ghibli animation and pre-Ghibli animation, and I was shocked that Eowin is the same design as Kushana from _Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind._ I had also forgotten that Sam was voiced by the legendary Roddy McDowell, and several popular Hanna/Barbarra voice actors are featured. Including Don "Dr Benton Quest" Messick, and Casey "Shaggy" Kasem.

  • @GhostHandGamer
    @GhostHandGamer 6 місяців тому

    my siblings and I used to wear pots and pans for helmets, make cardboard armor armor and swords and march around the house singing "Where there's a whip there's a way!"

  • @kinseymilkbone
    @kinseymilkbone 10 місяців тому +1

    In my childhood, I used to hear Glenn Yarbrough as a member of The Limeliters back in the mid-'60s, so I have a deep love of his voice.

  • @MarkLeBay
    @MarkLeBay 7 місяців тому

    I watched The Hobbit in the 70s at an outdoor theatre. I loved it and the music so much. We were all so desperate to see more. This movie was the best we could get - and we loved it for every little thing it got right and forgave what it didn’t.

  • @IsraelShekelberg
    @IsraelShekelberg Рік тому +1

    As I recall, the vulture-like statues are in the book, and so is Sam's vision of the mega-garden.

  • @BlaineSimon-gz7nd
    @BlaineSimon-gz7nd Рік тому

    It’s easy not to try! Would definitely buy the merch :) thanks for the arm pit shots!

  • @RyanControl
    @RyanControl Рік тому +1

    Rankin and Bass, both The Hobbit and The Return of the King, was my introduction to Tolkien, and as a small child I loved the movies.
    Also, some of the things you comment on are things that were more faithful to the books than Peter Jackson movies were, such as the inclusion of the Watchers, the Temptation of Samwise, and the longer version of the dialogue with Gollum on Mount Doom.

  • @BanazirGalpsi1968
    @BanazirGalpsi1968 Рік тому +1

    Roddy McDowall is Sam, in this, also two hours refers to broadcast time. They had to have 20 to 30 minutes of commercials shoved in as it was originally shown on tv .

  • @Gasgar420
    @Gasgar420 7 місяців тому

    You guys had me geeking

  • @peggymcatee4950
    @peggymcatee4950 Рік тому

    When this movie came out I had already read lotr and the hobbit several times I re-read them every year for a while I was busy adulting, working the evening shift, and missed this. I didn't really think it would be very good. Now I think I need to watch just to hear the killer songs! Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

  • @gilbertlopez9097
    @gilbertlopez9097 Рік тому +3

    I loved this as a kid, very excited to see Tolkien onscreen. Stop tearing my childhood memories apart!! 😛

  • @ianwestc
    @ianwestc Рік тому +1

    "Can't fit that much story in two hours."
    "This was actually 97 minutes..."
    It was really made for TV, so it would be 2 hours with commercials (commercial breaks weren't as long in 1980, haha...)
    I saw it on TV and when it aired and they had these cool 5-second bumpers during commercial breaks which showed Mount Doom in the background with that deep "bell" toll that was sometimes used in the movie. It was a really cool effect that immediately put you back in the mood of the movie (after watching commercials). I was impressed, but I was also five.
    For some reason, I have a recollection of the commercial breaks in this movie (possibly because I saw it on TV a few times), and there were spots in this movie where there were hard commercial breaks, but the version that you saw in the clips in this video seemed to be reedited to have smooth dissolves in those parts.
    5:11 "You only get to know the name of the film if you watched to this point!" That was also AFTER the first commercial break! I mean, you watched the prelude, then there was a commercial, and when you come back you finally get the title card. And this was made for TV too, they simply chose to do it that way.
    While I do absolutely, unironically love the soundtrack here, its actual use in the film is just overbearing. But I really love Glenn Yarbarough, especially having listened to him in the Fabulous Limelighters, one of the better 1960s folk music groups.

  • @brenthatcher5748
    @brenthatcher5748 Рік тому

    Glad you're back!!

  • @papabearlives9995
    @papabearlives9995 Рік тому +2

    The stone bird statues are book accurate. Not to say the pond in your yard is but the other is though.

  • @jeremyhulka3582
    @jeremyhulka3582 Рік тому

    The music from this and the Rankin Bass Hobbit take me back to my childhood so hard that it hurts.

  • @tj2375
    @tj2375 Рік тому +4

    About the comparison with the anime recap episodes: this style would probably be more usual to audiences at the time the film was made. Up to and through the 80s a tv season of a show would have at least 2 recap episodes, one Christmas episode and one Halloween episode. The Christmas and Halloween episodes would be something completely out of the overall continuity and like it never happened and the recaps were awkward episodes with scripts where for some reason the characters would be speaking of something and then recalled entire scenes from before. Man, tv was mainly trash 😂

  • @danielweston5893
    @danielweston5893 Рік тому

    I have only seen this all the way through when it was originally shown on TV. I liked. but was confused with many of the things that you mentioned. Good review, as always.

  • @joshuahutton8349
    @joshuahutton8349 Рік тому

    The amount of times I have started singing the "Where theres a whip, theres an way" song from this movie to only have people including my wife stare at me like Im crazy is countless. Thanks for the walk down memory lane.

  • @6dragondaddy913
    @6dragondaddy913 5 місяців тому +1

    I had one of those little kid book and record things from this movie. By the way "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way" freaking slaps.

  • @TomMSTie1138
    @TomMSTie1138 Рік тому +1

    When Warner Bros released the animated Hobbit movies on DVD, they packaged them like a trilogy, complete with matching box art. Heck they even came in a box set.

  • @charles_the_elder
    @charles_the_elder Рік тому

    Love your videos. I'm commenting to appease the algorithm gods.

  • @sebastianevangelista4921
    @sebastianevangelista4921 Рік тому +1

    "If you're traumatized just don't think about it!"
    Cool pond there! I'd absolutely love to see a followup to see what you do with it. In regards to the Hobbit films you could do recaps and analyses that don't rely on clips, which should most likely help with the matter of copyright. Also, daily reminder that it's so easy not to try.

  • @NathanS__
    @NathanS__ Рік тому +7

    I hope you do the extended versions of The Hobbit trilogy when you cover them.
    They're not just more interesting scenes but due to the troubled nature of the production, the extended versions are really the more complete films, with many key scenes needing to be cut because they weren't ready for the theatrical release but could be included in the extended version.

    • @Jess_of_the_Shire
      @Jess_of_the_Shire  Рік тому +4

      Absolutely! Extended is my favorite

    • @hurinthalion5984
      @hurinthalion5984 Рік тому +2

      @@Jess_of_the_Shire I will buy the "Its So Easy Not To Try" tshirt if you decide to actually do that

    • @JonathanRossRogers
      @JonathanRossRogers Рік тому

      If only there were a release that included those key scenes and excluded the unnecessary ones in the the theatrical releases.

    • @hurinthalion5984
      @hurinthalion5984 Рік тому

      @@JonathanRossRogers Have you tried fan edits? On that I really like by Cardinalwest I think it was edits it into one movie that focuses much more on Bilbo. I actually watch that one before I rewatch LotR because I found it so good.

    • @JonathanRossRogers
      @JonathanRossRogers Рік тому

      @@hurinthalion5984 No, I hadn't paid much attention to the Hobbit movies after seeing them in the theater. Do you have a link?

  • @folgore1
    @folgore1 Рік тому +1

    Rankin Bass' version of the Hobbit was my first introduction to Tolkein. I then acquired a paperback box set of LOTR and the Hobbit which I read all the way through. I then saw the Ralph Bakshi version of the LOTR and was disappointed the animation style was so different from Rankin Bass. The use of rotoscoping I also found to be weird. Then I saw RB's Return of the King. I always assumed Rankin Bass only did Return of the King and not the whole trilogy because Ralph Bakshi had already done the firs thalf of the trilogy, but apparently that's not the case. I think Rankin Bass always thought in terms of doing "one story, one film" and couldn't conceive of the idea of a "multi-film franchise." Disney made the same mistake with "The Black Cauldron." I enjoyed RB's Return of the King for what it was at the time. The most memorable thing about it is, of course, the "Where there's a whip, there's a way" song.

  • @nickbenton4881
    @nickbenton4881 Рік тому +2

    So your house is Cirith Ungol but with one too few Watchers.
    Thus it logically follows that you’re is a primordial demon spider monster. I’m onto youuuuu!

  • @Schellnino1994
    @Schellnino1994 Рік тому +2

    films are a whose who of famous fantasy actors!
    at 13:10 you can really tell that Casey Kasem did the voice of Merry. He was also the voice of Shaggy from Scooby Doo.
    John Huston (Maltese Falcon director) voiced Gandalf near perfectly!
    Brother Theodore as Gollum was definitely interesting; he always is.
    The Bakshi Film had John Hurt (Olivander) play Aragorn and Anthony Daniels (C3P0) as Legolas!

    • @4u57inc0v3110
      @4u57inc0v3110 3 місяці тому +1

      Hot take: Brother Theodore was a better Gollum than Andy Serkis. Best recital of The Time Riddle hands down.

  • @markfisher3063
    @markfisher3063 4 місяці тому +1

    The Rankin & Bass version of The Hobbit and Return of the King, more than anything else, were at the root of my love for Tolkien’s work, and fantasy in general. When we were children, this is what my friends, brother, and I were playing in the backyard, as we had sword fights with sticks and made cloaks out of bath towels.
    I LOVE these renditions of Tolkien’s work, even if that is largely due to nostalgia.
    These may not be the “best” adaptations, but they ARE extremely accessible to young children, and they can help plant seeds that eventually grow into a love for fantasy as an adult.
    I will defend the Rankin & Bass versions with my dying breath. 🗡️🛡️

  • @john_savage
    @john_savage Рік тому

    I love this version, as it felt like something I wasn't supposed to see when I was a kid!

  • @nseven1117
    @nseven1117 5 місяців тому

    "it's so easy not to try" words to live by right there

  • @mayajade6198
    @mayajade6198 5 місяців тому

    This whole movie has big "video tape you checked out of the library with your grandparents' energy, which, incidentally, is how I saw it as a kid.

  • @PrimeMover4
    @PrimeMover4 Рік тому +1

    I saw this movie when I was little and the music stuck with me the most.

  • @trinefanmel
    @trinefanmel 4 місяці тому +1

    Regarding the whole 'It's so easy not to try' thing:
    I think it's a reference to an early part of Frodo's arc where he doesn't really want to go on the quest at all if he can avoid it. Gandalf and later Elrond make it very clear that, should Frodo take on the quest, the odds will be almost insurmountably stacked against him and all the forces of good, and he will have to endure unspeakable hardship before the end. The lyrics of "It's so easy not to try" speak to how easy it would have been for Frodo to adopt the attitude of his fellow Hobbits that the problems of the world are far away and not his concern, and once he knew how dangerous failure would be, how easy it would have been for him to just sit back and let somebody else solve the problem of the Ring.
    Admittedly the lyrics aren't really explicit, but in the context of the Lord of the Rings, I always understood them to say "It was the 'easy option' for Frodo to NOT attempt this dangerous mission, but he chose to attempt it anyway'" and that therein lies the nobility of his character.
    (Hope that made sense!)

  • @thomaskalinowski8851
    @thomaskalinowski8851 7 місяців тому

    "Forgettable" works for me because I did see it when it was first broadcast (yeah, I'm old) and I have forgotten pretty much all of it. The only thing I remember is Gandalf suggesting that Hobbits will eventually get taller and intermarry with the Big Folk.

  • @MountainFisher
    @MountainFisher Рік тому +3

    I call it the Scooby Doo version of LOTR. Witch King's voice is straight out of Scooby Doo.

  • @domenicomiletti7366
    @domenicomiletti7366 Рік тому +1

    The Orc whip song is an absolute banger

  • @octaviusmorlock
    @octaviusmorlock Рік тому +4

    Where there's a whip there's a way! ♪♫

  • @MethosJK9
    @MethosJK9 Рік тому +1

    I was born in '81 and remember watching The Hobbit on TV around certain holidays. Years later, when I was about 8 or 9, I watched The Return of the King on those same channels and was just completely lost, had no idea what was going on, and didn't understand why the tone was so much different than The Hobbit. The songs stuck with me, though. I joke with my wife every now and then about Frodo of the Nine Fingers and the Ring of DOOM!, and Where There's Whip is just a banger.

  • @Khydul
    @Khydul Рік тому +1

    "It's so easy not to try" t-shirt is a must have lol
    Shut up and take my money!

    • @oaf-77
      @oaf-77 Рік тому

      It’s my motto

  • @otaku-sempai2197
    @otaku-sempai2197 Рік тому +1

    I will say that Roddy McDowell was better as Samwise Gamgee than was the voice actor in Bakshi's film. The voice acting is pretty solid throughout for the most part. Also, remember that this had to air in a 2-hour time slot with commercial ads. Naturally the runtime is a bit less. That's still better than the 90-minute slot allotted for the Rankin/Bass Hobbit.

  • @graceface418
    @graceface418 Рік тому +1

    I honestly sing songs from this movie all the time. Frodo of the 9 fingers, Where there's a whip, so many memorable tunes

  • @corphish129
    @corphish129 Рік тому +2

    The stone birds are in the book, actually. Not sure where they come from or whatever, but they appear to be haunted statues or something.

    • @lyndonmarquis414
      @lyndonmarquis414 Рік тому

      I think they’re the watchers set to guard the pass at Cirith Ungol?

    • @corphish129
      @corphish129 Рік тому

      @@lyndonmarquis414 yep

  • @dragoninthewest1
    @dragoninthewest1 5 місяців тому

    10:40 this sounds like we're about to transition to an epic shootout from a 70s action flick.
    14:00 "You boob! No He-Man can hinder me!"

  • @JonathanRossRogers
    @JonathanRossRogers Рік тому +1

    This movie may not be great, but it is memorable for its songs. In particular, I remember "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way" and "Cracks of Doom."