Enlisted many years ago, commissioned later. Actually served in the same unit, first enlisted, got out, commissioned through ROTC, came right back as a second lieutenant. The enlisted time definitely made me a much better officer. Been retired many years now.
I 100% agree that it is beneficial to enlist first before applying to OTS, even if you already have a degree. I enlisted with my Bachelor's, used tuition assistance to pay for my Master's, and was able to get accepted through the Medical Service Corps commissioning program thanks to my prior experience and degrees. Also, prior-service officers tend to get more respect as they can relate to the enlisted members they are leading.
Does using tuition assistance affect your ability to use the GI Bill? I.e. if you got your masters while serving, can you still make full use of the GI Bill post separation?
I’m in the process of doing this myself. I’m about a year and a half into enlisted and just took the AFOQT. I’m planning to go rated as soon as possible
This is exactly what I was looking for! I am just graduating with my cyber security degree and I felt like I needed to go officer or it would be wasted. But I'm totally ok going in a as a noobie after watching this! It's true. You need to see if the airforce is for you and the best place to start is at the bottom! Thanks so much for this. Now I just have to lose some weight to get in hahaha
You were right originally. Just wasting your time enlisting if you already have a degree. 99% of prior enlisted would tell you to go right to OTA. Just go for it man. 10 year active duty here.
@@taylorgerrish7264 oh you got plenty of time :) also you're in the Air Force which is much different. Also you can't prefer something you've never experienced... :D
About to graduate from college with a bachelors. My father is a retired officer (Air Force), but I’d rather go the enlisted route as of now. Your video is incredibly helpful! Thanks and God Bless 🙏🏼💙
TheSpearPoint this is so great to hear!! I plan on pushing a lot of great information on the USAF and USSF that not a lot of people know. Thank you for the positivity ❤️🇺🇸
The most important thing here is that OTS candidates don’t have to go to basic training. Sure, they have their own bootcamp but it’s way easier and you get treated better.
My favorite argument for enlisting first: If you enlist first, you can join an Air National Guard unit while going to college, or you can do college while Active Enlisted. This would give you a chance to start racking up years-of-service toward retirement while also working toward becoming an officer. Also, you're getting paid for those years as Enlisted. So, as long as someone buckles down on college during their 4 year enlisted contract, I believe an enlisted-first officer can make more money in the long run compared to a college-first officer. And then there's the benefit of being a 4-years-in-service O1 with possible job qualifications that result in bonus pay.
That is a very interesting insight, E05 AF here, our structures and CoS are very similar, after 15 years I'm struggling to promote due to availabilities, I am definitely looking towards OTS as now the only logical progression in my career. Great video! 😊
Cynthia, Great video! It’s awesome to see you use the UA-cam platform to help your fellow Airman. My question to you is on Navy enlisted to Air Force officer. I have a STEM degree. I was wondering if you have heard of anyone doing that transition
Glad to hear that I’m helping!! The timeframe for Army/Navy space requirements to move to the Space Force remains in FY22/23. Although legal provisions exist for other services to transfer to the Space Force, the current focus is on transferring the over 6,000 Airmen from the Air Force to the Space Force by mid FY21. We understand there is excitement for Space Force across all services right now. Space Force will release further details for a limited inter-service transfer program for other sister services for FY21.
One thing to consider as well is the age of commissioning. The Air Force and Space Force allow you to commission up to age 39 as opposed to the Army and other branches which is 32 or 34.
Based on my research and experiences I gathered with other military guys, It's VERY HARD to go from Enlisted to OTS officer. Some of them go through 20 years of military and could never make it to Officer level. So if you do plan to join the AF as officer, come in as an officer first (even if it takes you 12-18 months to apply), It's worth it and this is probably your only chance to come in as a higher rank than everyone else. Your chance to become an officer is less than 3% when you go in as enlisted rounte. It's even harder if you're a minority. The military is mostly White male dominted ranks too, so it's harder for others race to go from enlisted to officer. This is all based on talking to several recruiters, military friends and current AF enlisted.
Thank you for your opinion, I politely disagree. The statistics can be very skewed depending on who (specific career fields) you talk to. Also, it highly depends on each board and what they are looking for. I’ve seen multiple cases where enlisted members commission at the3 year mark and I’ve seen people commission at 18 years and everything in between. If your mind is set and you seek advice and mentorship early anything is possible.
What you said about white male preference in today's military is totally untrue. That was trued 40 years ago. Not true in today's military, its actually the opposite.
Hi Cynthia, after browsing through UA-cam and clicking on your video I realized you look familiar from somewhere else, and it dawned on me you are on the same community page for our base. I won’t mention the name of the base on here for sake of your privacy because I noticed you don’t mention it, and neither do I on my videos. Anyways, best of luck on your tech school and UA-cam channel!
Great video. You might also mention my scenerio of graduating from ROTC, I was commissioned and served 8 years active duty, transfered to the AF Reserves while taking a GS12 Federal Air Force Civilian Flight Chief. This way you can get a AF Pension from the Reserves and a Air Force Civil Service Pension...plus I also get VA Disability Pension at 100% due to medical conditions that occured while I was a active duty officer. BtW whats the tattoo on your right arm? Lots of great Air Force Civilian careers that you can get being prior Air Force military and if you don't do 20 years active duty, you can buy back your military time to add to your AF civil service time for retirement so you wont lose that 6yrs or 12yrs you may have done already either as a officer or enlisted member. Good luck Superstar!
I would add this. I do not know about the "free education". People with inside day jobs can take advantage of off duty education better than people who work on the flight line or in the missile field. It is not easy. Congrats on your success. The AF has changed a lot. I wish you luck in the Space Force. Make sure you can move around if needed to enhance promotion opportunity. My advice is to take an OPR (front and back) place it under the plexiglass of your desk. Each day try to satisfy as many of the blocks as you can. Keep track of what you do. Make bullets and other similar statements suitable to insert on an OPR. Hand in (to your rater) this information around three to four months before your OPR is due. Keep a copy. Remember, you must take care of yourself before you can take care of other things.
You’re awesome. I needed to hear this, completed my Natural Science Degree. In processing for the Airforce now and really want OTS. I’m going to enlist first, see how I like then hopefully transition. Thank you so much! This was very helpful
99% of prior enlisted will tell you to just start as an officer if you already have a degree. No need to waste time being enlisted potentially doing something that has no relation to the officer route you decide later. 10 year active duty enlisted here.
I enlisted in the Navy and was an ATC. I wanted to have the Navy pay for college so I didn’t have debt over my head for the rest of my life but found that I just wouldn’t be able to deal with all the politics that surround rising in the ranks as an officer once you pass O-3 and liked doing things the way that I was. I just wanted to say that not seeking the officer ranks doesn’t mean that you’re lazy or unmotivated. The pay doesn’t matter (which always makes me laugh) because the military has never been the road to riches and even the officers don’t make as much as their civilian counterparts. You just need to make sure that you pick a MOS that has real world applications. I did, but if you’re an ordie or something else that’s similar you won’t find to many jobs that need it in the civilian world.
There are many way to get into the military, enlisted is the Barney style way with very little responsibility and consequences. Officer side is the adult at the officer side with high standards, responsibility and sacrifices. Officer was for me, but then again that was after doing enlisted Marine Corps then going Officer through the ROTC commissioning program while doing school, if you’re prior service you only need 2 years ROTC in college to get commissioned
As a former enlisted Air Force exactly why I left the Air Force when the officers ruled the military and the segregation between the two ranks that was enough for me
The dumbest thing the USAF did was drop E4 Sgt to E4 Senior Airman. Got out as a E4 buck Sgt. Went back in the reserve as a Senior Airman and the blue star. I attended some classes and told them I got out as a E4 buck Sgt.
You went from enlisted to officer. I have a degree and am considering enlisting first I had a 2.4 gpa in college bc I was working full time during my schooling. Do they look at your gpa when applying if you’re currently enlisted? Also, do how many applications did it take for you personally to be accepted to commission?
If you go in as a Space Operations Officer can you be stationed in one state for as long as 4-6 years and then leave to work outside of the Army? I have a bachelor's in computer science and I am interested in the Space Force. Also, do you work 8 hours a day and then go home to your family? (And is it guaranteed that you will become an officer if you have a bachelor's?)
Sorry for the delay! I try to remove myself from social media on the weekends. Typically as an officer you stay at a unit on average for 3 years (could be more or less depending on location). However, since the majority of units are in CO there’s a chance for you to stay in CO Springs or Denver by changing your units, which can extend to a longer term in the area. I’m not sure what you are referring to with the Army... But it is very common for Air Force people to continue their job outside of the military for a government civilian or contractor job. Additionally, the shifts vary on the job and unit you support. Intel and space officer are “ops” jobs which require 24/7 support. So you may work shift work early in your career until you are higher ranking. Lastly, it is not guaranteed to go officer with a degree. But in your case you have a strong degree since they are seeking STEM. I would apply for OTS a couple times before you debate another path (going enlisted first, etc.).
@@SpaceNerdConfessions I got off the phone with a recruiter and they told me that the Air Force does not consider Computer Science as a STEM degree which got me confused since it is a STEM degree that takes Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math courses. And told me about some non-officer training that I can take instead? I'm confused lol.
Viet Phan well that is false! I would try contacting another recruiter because I googled Air Force STEM degrees and Computer Science is listed on their website. I’ll post the link below. But definitely recommend getting in contact with another office.
Hello:) I am considering joining the air guard, but I am stuck between going enlisted or commissioning. I am 29 years old with 2 masters degrees and about 5 years of work experience. I have heard it is better to go enlisted and then commission. I was hoping you could provide some insight since I am getting a lot of varying feedback. Thanks!
Hey there! So it all depends on what you are wanting in a career in the air guard, based on the criteria I discussed. There’s no right or wrong answer. Also I’m not too familiar with the guard process or selection rate for officers. You can always apply as an officer for the guard and if it doesn’t work out, go enlisted. But you worked hard for two masters, I would give commissioning a couple shots! Hope this helps.
The only way I’d go enlisted is special operations. That way you can be in the teams for a long time and be in a specialized skill. Other than that, if you have a degree very dumb idea to not go officer
Won't lie 32 didn't think I could get into the air force thought I needed to finish college an all that BEFORE applying honestly thinking about long term 10 years+ wanna try and become an officer at least make Captain maybe in SECURITY Forces
Thank you for this information! I have a BA in communication, and I am struggling right now in deciding if to enlist or to go directly to becoming an Officer. Some tell me it's a good opportunity, but not many will give me the respect that an enlisted officer would have. I don't mind enlisting and having that experience and other side of the coin, but many have told me it would be a dumb decission, since you have to climb up in order to be "considered" to become an officer. As in, it's more competitive and dificult to actually get to that point. So i'm still not sure what to do, or what would be best?
Hey! I’m also a Communications major and I’m thinking of going the officer route. The pay is significantly better and I in a sense want to earn some good money because of the four years of college that I did.
Don’t let other people’s opinions direct your decision, just consider their experiences as good for thought. Just see what job opportunities are out their for officer and enlisted and try to mirror it up with your goals and/or timeline. If you join with the job that you wanted you won’t regret it either way. Just always look ahead and make goals!
I have a bachelors degree and currently working on my PPL, I wanted to come in as officer & on the pilot side, but everyone at my nearby AirForce base is telling me that I should come in as enlisted then transition to Officer. IDK if they’re lying to me just to get a # in, or if it’s really better to come in as enlisted any advice? If enlisted, is it true I can transition to officer as soon as I finish tech school (example: if I choose a career that takes 1-1.5 months to complete tech school)? I wanted to be reserve 1st for the 4yrs to see how I like it, within those 4 yrs be a pilot already in case I don’t want it for long term/life long career.
I've recently graduated with a 4yr B.S. degree in Applied Mathematics, and I'm looking into the officer route. I was wondering if you have any tips or advice when it comes to communicating with a recruiter? The goal is to pursue a cyber related career like cyber operations or cyber security. Is there something I should be doing right now to better prepare myself for the processes to come? Thank you!
I would just say to do your research! If you have long term or short term goals by joining the service have a good idea of what careers to pursue so that you aren’t easily convinced when they offer you a job that you may not want.
would the army enlisted side for cyber be viable if i already have a degree and i have student loans? Ideally i would've wanted to do air national guard or ROTC during college (but i didnt know), so im just trying to figure out if i should 1. go army national guard and do cyber to get my loans paid 2. go air national guard and do cyber, no loans paid both will pay for my masters/doctorate though 🤔
One of the biggest drawbacks on the officer side is that officers are mandated by Air Force policy to PCS/move every two (at most three) years, which causes a lot of loss in potential earning as one could make from purchasing real estates. This is often overlooked by many, but every move potentially comes with a huge cost to one's spouse and children, especially if your spouse's work relies on a local network of customers that often requires years to build. I am speaking as an E-4 maniac on the enlisted side, but I make a lot more money than the O-2 in my squadron due to my real estate investment. Considering the wife of the O-2 had to give up her own career to accompany her husband, the combined earning power of my wife (a Mortgage Loan Originator / loan officer) and myself together far exceeds an O-2 officer family that has to move every two years. However, my situation might be unique, as my current PCS location is one that people often do not have to leave unless they want to.
CGO assignments are 3-4 years long. FGO move every 2-3 years. but you're right; every move comes with a cost. in fact, serving at all is costly in many ways, not just financial. but we don't join the Air Force to make our millions.
Coming from a civilian background pursuing a physics undergraduate degree... What are they looking for in an "ideal" candidate from OTS since its highly competitive? How can I elevate and better my chances of succeeding through OTS? What inspired you to go into the Air Force, and what advice would you give to your younger self before you enlisted?
Suzy Steel have you checked out my OTS video? There would be some tidbits in there. As far as ideal it’s kind of hard to define, but they definitely are looking for leadership potential and STEM degrees. Someone that is highly motivated and willing to learn and is portrayed in their application. And I also feel like there’s not a right answer to succeed through OTS is a very unique environment including people with diverse backgrounds. So my success may be different than someone who may not be prior enlisted, we all bring something to the table. I plan on making a video of what inspired me to join the Air Force but it was started from a youth camp that involved ROTC students and that was my first exposure to the military aspect. The advice I would give to myself is to surround myself with mentors I look up to. Not everyone is perfect in the military you may come across amazing leaders and not so great leaders but it’s good to learn from both. It can be easy to get unmotivated and disheartened about the military so it’s important to think big picture because there are endless opportunities in the USAF. People get caught up in the now and don’t think about the future ahead of them.
Space Nerd Confessions I have checked out all your videos, and they honestly inspired and were helpful for me to make the choice. I reached out to a recruiter, and am now trying to get my application done for OCS to try and become an officer in the Air Force. I ultimately desire to transfer into the Space Force. Thank you for your advice, and I agree I don’t think there is perfect or ideal candidate. I think that diversity, value, intellect, and character are important aspects to name a few, but definitely need to be tenacious and hard working too . I am excited that I am going forward with my decision, and I am really thankful for all your videos. Also, I really like the advice you would give to your younger self as I think it’s important surround yourself with the right people that aid in growth/peace. Thanks!
Suzy Steel that is super amazing to hear! That is the reason why I created this channel. The USAF and USSF have so much to offer and I want to make that known. If you have any additional questions along the way feel free to reach out!
Actually, I just thought of a question. Hair length...I read about having the length around the collar bone. I was wondering what the requirement/guidelines on that are.
Thank you for your video, I still hesitant on applying for ots just because on how competitive they came be also I have a family or 3 with a B.S in chemistry with a couple of year experience in laboratory. I always want to join the Air force but put it off and got married. I am concern about my age at 29 coming on 30 , if it might be already too late for me.
Not at all! With your background especially! The age cut off you can get an age waiver up to 39 years of age. I’d definitely look into it if you are still interested. Stay tuned for my next video where I will discuss how to put an OTS package together!!
This might not be related but i have a few questions and my google only brings yahoo answers , so you have bmt you have usafa ,tech school and ots . Now i really want to be an officer bc from what i've seen only officers/higher ranks get to fly and i really want to be an airforce pilot one day. Anyways my question is : after you go to bmt where do you go to be an officer do you need to go to tech school before ots? Or go to the academy before ots, ooorrr is ots after tech school, my second question is what to study if you want to be an pilot. Lol sorry that this is so long.
So it’s sounds like you got a handful of commissioning programs mixed up. My next video with be on ROTC but following that I can maybe make a video on the different programs to go as officer? And explain each one? Would that help? Oh and also, you don’t need to be a high ranking officer to fly. If you get selected as a pilot officer you start training immediately after OTS or whatever commissioning source you used.
Did you apply with the Unversity or you did with an Air Force recruiter? I have a degree in General science, can I just apply or I can apply with the Unversity I want to go too? Please help, thank you
@@hotlonx your university might have an ROTC detachment, I would start there. I ended up not enrolling into classes because of the lack of financial aid and enlisted. Now I’m in tech school for Public Affairs and going to work on my masters degree for free!
At 11:23, that's where I'm anxious about since my friends who have prior military experience have been telling me that I can't be too friendly at the get-go or else I won't be respected by those I'm in charge of. I am hoping to get the O-5 position so I've been training since Feb 2020 and next I'm going to look into AFOQT practice tests so I can stand out.
Hi! So my I finished my masters degree as I was getting married to my husband who is a Marine. Life happened between moving and having a son. Now that my son is in school and my husband only has 6 years left till retirement I want to join the AF. I was planning on trying to go officer but after watching your last video I’m thinking of going enlisted first then try to transition to officer. I’m 34 and will be 35 in May. My deadline to talk to a recruiter is by January so now I’m just confused lol.
So there is an age cap of 39 years old (must accomplish training before 40th birthday) for both officer and enlisted. So for your situation, for the sake of time, I’d advise you to go officer first. Get your package together as soon as possible and apply for every board until you are selected. Let me know if you have any additional questions!!
Of course!! Also I forgot to mention that you can join the reserves at any age. The Space Force will be developing reserve and guard units eventually, I’ll briefly go over that in my next video!
Hi Cynthia, I'm 33 and looking into joining the Air Force in intelligence or logistics, I'm great at problem solving. I have a Bachelors degree and want to become an officer. My concern is leading people in a job that I haven't done myself. So enlisting first makes sense to me but I have to Commission by age 35. Does that mean before age 35 or before my 36th birthday. If so is there enough time to commission if I enlist first? Thank you and great content.
According to the AF website you can commission up to the age of 40 with an age waiver. That being said, if you prefer to be enlisted first you can apply for OTS birds as early as a couple years in, I believe you’ll need a a waiver but it’s possible! If you are worried about age and want some experience before your end goal of commissioning I would start early in your enlistment to prepare for applying.
@@SpaceNerdConfessions I appreciate that beyond belief this journey is so brutal I had acl and meniscus surgery wich left a ton of scar tissue in my knee but my doctor says I'm fit for duty I just have to work through the pain if I really want it
Hey love the video! I’m currently in school for a bachelors in applied computing (cybersecurity). I really wanna do AFROTC to be in Cyberspace operations. Any advice ? I’m really confused on to how competitive the space force is
If you were to join the AF as an Enlisted with a bachelor's degree and already have taken the AFOQT, what would you have to wait for before submitting a packet for OTS? I keep hearing that going enlisted first is better, but I'm not sure I see how, logistically speaking, it would be much of a benefit.
You would need to wait for the scheduled boards where you would apply based on your overall package. The board members will look at your application as a whole to include leadership opportunities and job experience in your enlisted time. Enlisted first or going to straight in as an officer is up to the person. There are different benefits, going in enlisted first gives you a different perspective as an officer (for most).
Have you checked out my video where I interviewed intel analysts?? Lots of great info on there to include deployment tempo! I liked being an intel analyst, lots of opportunities out there for 1N0’s to fit your goals. My first unit I only went overseas for a month in the first four years and then I got selected for a special duty position for my last three years and I deployed A LOT. But I applied for that unit. I’ll post the link to the video so you can take a look!
So being a mother of 4, I’m working on my bachelors in health science and my school has it to where you can continue onto your masters which I plan to do but wanted to eventually try to join and try becoming an officer. Being an unwed mother stops me from doing that?
Wow so I didn’t realize how strict they are on single parents joining the military. Maybe depending on your kids ages and your custody you can get it waived but it depends on your recruiter!
Elisa Eggers I had someone reach out who joined as unwed! Her thoughts: “You can join as a single mother, but a care plan is necessary. The custody thing is if you go to the Air Force Academy. You cannot have any dependents. The way parents have taken care of this in the past is grant custody to one of the children's grandparents. Then once they commission, the grandparents transfer custody back. However, she should be aware if she wants to go the Academy route that it's not temporary custody, it's permanent custidy and you're relying on someone transferring custody back at the end so it should be someone you trust more than anything. This is not necessary for ROTC or OTS.”
Hi Cynthia, I’m from Panama 🇵🇦, I’m American born overseas i never visit Usa, i recently finish my bachelor in psychology (They accepted my Panamenian degree?) My idea is enlisted studied my master degree and next apply to OTS
I’m currently in the process of joining the air guard as a public health officer. I’m currently a 30 y/o veterinarian. I’ve passed MEPS and now waiting on security clearance prior to raising my hand. I have full intention of fulfilling 20+ years. I’m wondering if all officer positions offer rank progression? Or are there certain positions that ‘cap’ the rank to Lt Col? Or is it purely board dependent and a public health officer could feasibly work up to Col? I’d be joining as a Captain with upgrade to major after COT/OTS and then schooling. But unsure if I’d hit a ‘maximum rank’ over the next 18+ years.
Reached out to a mentor and got you an answer straight from the source. “Hi, in the ANG MDG, you will certainly promote up to It Col. To be promoted to Col you have to be nominated and then put in an O6 position. Again, in an ANG MDG, your only available O6 position is the group commander. Any medical AFSC can be the commander. But again, you would be nominated by your wing commander and state. There is a 2nd O6 in the MDG but it is the director of aerospace medicine so it is a provider. You can be a Lt Col until you reach 28 years of commissioned service. Then you can request an extension to 30 years.”
More info. “I'm a Public Health Veterinarian in the Guard, did active duty as well. My position caps at a LT Col. Even though they will upgrade to a Maj due to credits quickly, because of how the guard works, it's going to take them quite some time to put on Lt Col anyway. It's honestly going to be tougher coming in as a major if they have no prior mil experience. You have the rank, but nothing to actually back that rank. And military public health is quite different than being a Veterinarian or even civilian PH. Please feel free to point them in my direction if they need help navigating Guard PH. I can also hook them in with other awesome PHOs who know way more than I do!”
I noticed you talked about the space force in the beginning. If I go through the air force, how is the process of transferring into the space force? Is it a very hard and long process, or could I specify that early and get on a track? If my major is something like env engineering, but I wanted to do something involving aerospace engineering, would that disqualify me? Thank you!
Very easy! But it’s only an “automatic” transfer for the core AFSCs 13S or 1C6. As for the other jobs that transfer take a look at my Space Force Career Fields video and I talk about how the transfer works and what jobs are involved. ua-cam.com/video/rAIKs3qyMos/v-deo.html And you would definitely be set with your degree! They aren’t very specific, just as long as it is STEM at this time.
Currently 22 and Im enlisted, in trying to commission, but I need to get that degree. About to finish up my first year in. Wish I would of joined right when I turned 18!!
Ryan D what degree are you pursuing? Are you interested in possible scholarship programs? I’ll be doing my next video on AFROTC scholarships. And yes you will need to accomplish the AFOQT even though you did the ASVAB. Applies to everyone, prior enlisted or not. Lastly, you have plenty of time to commission!!
@@SpaceNerdConfessions I am trying to go into criminal justice, talked to my first sergeant the other day. He said there are some things I can do to earn me more credit. So far I have 34 college credits. I have had AFROTC cross my mind, however I am thinking more of getting my degree while on active duty, and then applying to go to OTS. I am trying to get into OSI.
Ryan D well I wish you luck with your journey! Right now OTS is highly competitive and seeking specific career fields and degrees, and boards are changing a lot. BUT by the time you are ready for OTS I’m sure it will change. My next few videos will be on different scholarships, today I will be posting AFROTC scholarships. So stay tuned to see if it would be something you are interested in!
Hey cool video. I thought I could go officer but talked to several recruiters and they all say there’s no open spots for officers this year unless you have a medical degree which I don’t. So everyone says I should go enlisted unless I want to wait years for an open officer spot that is not guaranteed. Do you have a video where you talk about that, how sometimes there’s no officer spots for civilian entry?
Hi ma’am! Just browsing UA-cam looking at different people’s experience. Currently staff sergeant in the Air Force and am an analyst as well. Almost done with my first enlistment (6 years) and am planning on extending my contract as I am due to PCS in the Spring! My plan to is apply for OTS at my next assignment (this past board got cancelled I am not sure why). I currently have my Bachelor’s degree in Cybersecurity (4.0 GPA) and an associates in general studies. I am wanting to pursue an MBA at some point and am not sure if I should go ahead and start now as you mentioned higher level education can help. Do you have any tips I can start doing now to make me more competitive while currently being enlisted? I just helped one of my troops with her process into USAFA and she just found out it she got accepted and this only motivates me more! I know each commissioning process is different and I heard OTS they usually look at last amongst all of them when it comes to commissioning.
the best thing you can do is crush it in your current and next assignment. the MBA could help, but it's only one factor. if you're dead set on being an officer and you really want that MBA, you could separate, join AFROTC, and earn your commission in two years.
Hey Nice video. Thanks for bringing this information. It has been hard to find some information. I want to join as a reservist officer. I have a BS in Metallurgical Engineer, a MS in Petroleum Management, a MBA and working towards my Phd in Materials Science & Engineering and 10 years of experience in industry in technical & leadership positions. Motivated form my wife to serve ( Army veteran). I just turn 36. How appropriate you see that I can send my package to OTC or should I go to enlist first?
Definitely go for it! Put a couple applications in and what’s the worst that can happen?? According to the Army website you can commission into active duty by 42 with an age waiver or by 45 for reserve. With you education and experience I don’t see why they wouldn’t take you. Good luck!
This was very informative. I think many of the attributes can be related to other branches. For example: I'm enlisting into intelligence/cryptography (Navy) with a degree (stupid, I know) but my package was nowhere near competitive enough to commission to Navy OCS in the Intelligence Warfare rate. I think I'm making the correct decision bc I don't have any desire to be a Naval Flight Officer or Surface Warfare Officer. I was told it would be slightly easier to commission into intelligence w/ an enlisted intelligence background. Thoughts? Thanks.
Yeah definitely, the competition can vary not only with the branches but with timing also. And for commissioning into intel from enlisted intel, I would agree that it is only slightly easier. Still very competitive and not guaranteed.
Do you think officers have a tough time dating compared to enlisted members since there's far less of them than enlisted members? Also, I'm studying for a computer science degree so I may be interested in getting a tech job. I wonder if I should choose officer even though I've never expressed natural leadership?
Hey Prior-E Navy here currently in AFROTC. Just for the sake of knowledge, do Airmen get free CCAF and CCAF to baccalaureate opportunities? When I was in, Tuition Assistance only provided ~$3000/year, which is barely enough and I could imagine would take a long time to finally get a BA.
Yes! Enlisted airmen can use their tech school as CCAF credit and to finish it out they can use TA. They just lowered USAF TA to $3750 a year with the average cost of a class costing $750. TA can be used for higher level degrees also. I’m currently using it for my masters.
Is it true that officers cant get close with enlisted personnel? And some officers of the air force feel like a clique-ish since they undergo the academy as cadets vs OTS?
There is a fine line of having appropriate relationships between officer and enlisted personnel. But it doesn’t mean you can’t be close with them per se. Just need to keep it professional. I wouldn’t say the officers are divided based on background! From my experience I haven’t noticed that.
Hello I was wondering if you could give any advice. I am stuck on going enlisted or joining rotc to do my masters and commission 2-3 years later. If I do enlist, I am going in as Services 3F1X1. I have a bachelors degree already,. Would like any tips :)
How hard is it to cross train from being enlisted in a field and then commissioned into another field? For example, enlist in security force and then become an Intelligence officer later.
Jack Great question! It’s actually super common for people to choose new career field when they commission. As I did! You just have to keep an eye on the OTS boards, whether your career field of interest is an option. I explained this more in my OTS Explained video. Hope this helps!
@@SpaceNerdConfessions Thanks for the help, I have one more question. The highest initial enlistment is E-3 in the airforce right? How long should someone wait before they can apply for officer?
Jack correct! I’ve heard about a few people getting picked up after only a year and a half in. BUT this isn’t a guarantee, depends on your education and how strong of a package you have. Or what the USAF wants or needs. If you have a STEM degree that will do you good. But if you do enlist at least you can work on more school and put it on your package.
There is no disadvantage to going O straight in. None. I was E for 8 and O for 12. If I had it to do over I would have gone straight in as an O. The benefits are so minimal from the upside it is pointless. Also prior E is not more likely to get picked up over a new applicant. I retired as O-4 and would have for sure made at least O-5 if I had gone straight in as O. Also medical issues get scrutinized hard on riot service. No one gives more "respect" to prior service. Respect comes from doing a good job. Not resting on laurels.
I have a low college GPA so I couldn’t get into OTS. I’m enlisting now and still want to commission later on. Will I still get rejected because of my college GPA or will I have a chance because of already being in the Air Force?
@@airforceofficerpodcast a semester but I’m trying to gain another degree to continue rotc. I’ve already started. I’m not sure if this the best route Any advice?
I am enlisted security forces been in for 4 years really considering ROTC. I don’t have my associates yet. But I would like to pursue that through ROTC any advice??
I didn't go through ROTC but I looked into it. I would recommend looking at universities that offer ROTC near family/friends since they do not pay for lodging.
good video I decided to join the AF reserves for cyber system ops just finish tech school. Since i have a 4yr degree in cyber security but didn't want to end up going active duty since enlisted gets low pay. I am curious can I still take the AFOQT at any time I know I have to wait 2 yrs before trying to apply for OTS just like to get that test over with thanks.
Why do you need to wait two years? I’d knock out the AFOQT whenever you feel ready! Doesn’t have to be in any window, just need the scores for the application.
Do air force officers get the same educational benefits as enlisted? Like will the air force pay for classes taken by an air force officer? Also if someone already has a college degree and enlists, do they still get all those educational benefits? Will the military pay for classes then? Or are those only for enlisted without a degree?
Tuition Assistance (TA) applies for enlisted and officer, which is a set annual amount for education. If you come in with an associates or bachelors as enlisted then you can only use TA for the next level of degree, for this instance a Masters. If you come in as an officer with bachelors or masters the same thing applies, they only pay for a higher level degree.
@@SpaceNerdConfessions Thank you! Does that apply to the GI Bill as well? After completing your enlistment contract, can the GI Bill only be used for a next level degree? Or can it be used towards any degree program a university accepts you for?
@@drewjoerger9476 the GI Bill can be used for any certificate, job training, or degree program that has been approved by the VA. doesn't matter if you already have a degree.
Probably because of how competitive it is right now! Because there is a lot of interest in the USAF and USSF, they can limit the degrees for applicants.
I have a bachelors in International relations / Russian. My goal is either to enlist to become a Cryptologic Language Analyst or join as an Officer for FAO or Intelligence
Depends on how booked out training is. That is a good question for a recruiter. I heard average application process takes 18 months to become an officer, more or less depending on the job and how many times you apply.
I’m in ROTC rn, and I have one semester left. My advice is to at least try to do ROTC. It’s a guaranteed commission if you complete the program. OTS isn’t guaranteed and highly competitive especially if you have a non STEM degree. It’s possible but still a lot more competitive to get into like she said.
There are different ways you can commission. 1. OTS (officer training school) 2. ROTC (college elective program) 3. USAFA (United States Air Force academy) For these programs you need to take the AFOQT (Air Force officer qualification test) available at the education center. It’s similar to the ASVAB but with more subject material
I am planning on applying to USAFA. However I realize that it only has an 11% acceptance rate so if I do not get accepted would I be able to enlist and still get a free education at a different school?
@@airforceofficerpodcast actually that is my new plan. After a lot of pondering, I decided that the Academy life isn’t for me, so I will be doing AFROTC. I don’t know what I was talking about with enlisting, I most definitely want to go the officer route
Usually the soonest you can apply is after 2-3 years in, due to the first year/year and a half being dedicated to training. And I would say that it is more common to get picked up after gaining some experience in the job. However, I wouldn't say it is impossible. Depends on how strong your application is.
Please I need help, i have Master in Systems/Mechanical, i want to join as a Reserve in Air Force. But, i am crumble about what to choose Enlisted or Officer. Can we have a talk ? i can not say everything here
@@555125kevin As someone that want to go reserve, i got my recruiter who told me that in order to go officer reserve, i need to join enlisted and go through the Deserve Airman Program (DAP) after finishing my BMT and Tech school. However if i go active directly i can be an officer straight. Due to the fact that ii do not want to go active, i choose the enlisted -> then DAP process. What do you think ? i just wondering if there is no other option to join officer as reserve
If you prefer to go reserve and not go active, I would take the enlisted reserve route and work on commissioning right away. Maybe you can contact the unit that you would be reporting to and see if this is something they would be able to help you with and give you some guidance and answers! Better to hear from their mouths to have more of a guarantee.
@@SpaceNerdConfessionsquick question I want to join the air force and I'm all about been and officer due to the money since I already spent a lot of money effort and time into my studies I have a master's degree in Project management planning to certify on PMP what program should I go for to go as a officer? Ty in advance
@@airforceofficerpodcast that's like saying if I asked why carbon is important than I shouldn't ask lol. Thanks though. I've got some PJs that don't think asking a question is a weakness guiding me through.
Hey Cynthia. I hope you're doing good wherever you are. I have a question and I really appreciate your answer. I am 34 years old (35 in June) and I have a masters degree. I'm not a U.S. citizen yet, but I applied for it 10 months ago (unfortunately because of the pandemic, it is taking longer than it normally does). However, I'm sure that I'll get my citizenship in 6 months from now. Also, you know that citizenship is a MUST in order to apply for officer positions in any branch of the military. On the other hand, I talked to recruiters and they said the process to get in as an officer can be as long as 1.5 years from the day I apply (so, I'm looking at almost 2 years from today). Now my question is, is it going to be beneficial to me to enlist in the Airforce now and apply for officer position after I become citizen? I know that if I go that route, I'll have to do both the basic military training for 2 months now, and also the officer training school later for another 2 months. Main question is, is the fact that I enlisted before, going to push me ahead of other applicants when I apply for that officer position? Some people say it makes the process faster and easier, while some others say that they had to keep their enlisted job for quite a long time (a few years) until they were allowed or qualified to apply for their new job as an officer. I'm honestly a little confused and I appreciate your help. Thanks a lot
It really depends on your goals. If you enlist the soonest you can apply to commission is a few years in, and depending if you have a strong enough application (enough experience) it can take longer. I would say the average OTS applicant is within a 5-8 year window but I can be wrong. Due to your age you will have to decide one way or another and go with it. With an age cap of 39.
@@SpaceNerdConfessionsHi. Are you saying that a person cannot become an officer, enlisted or civilian, after the age of 39? I'm 38 and this question brought me here.
Enlisted many years ago, commissioned later. Actually served in the same unit, first enlisted, got out, commissioned through ROTC, came right back as a second lieutenant. The enlisted time definitely made me a much better officer. Been retired many years now.
E-1 = $1650/month. O-1 = $3385/month. Nuff said.
thats what im sayin
Is that gross before taxes and retirement etc. or is that $3385 after?
@@HXNDRO222 who cares
@@9jawarrior130 him he’s just asking let him be
It before taxes but if married they also get BAH to help with housing cost as well as food allowances so In the end you end up making 4-6k a month
I 100% agree that it is beneficial to enlist first before applying to OTS, even if you already have a degree. I enlisted with my Bachelor's, used tuition assistance to pay for my Master's, and was able to get accepted through the Medical Service Corps commissioning program thanks to my prior experience and degrees. Also, prior-service officers tend to get more respect as they can relate to the enlisted members they are leading.
Being prior enlisted definitely brings a new perspective!
This is similar to what I want to. What branch if you don’t mind me asking?
Does using tuition assistance affect your ability to use the GI Bill? I.e. if you got your masters while serving, can you still make full use of the GI Bill post separation?
I’m in the process of doing this myself. I’m about a year and a half into enlisted and just took the AFOQT. I’m planning to go rated as soon as possible
It’s a matter of perspective. It’s definitely easier to commission through ROTC.
“Should (have) went officer”
Should’ve (cause it sounds like should of)
This is exactly what I was looking for! I am just graduating with my cyber security degree and I felt like I needed to go officer or it would be wasted. But I'm totally ok going in a as a noobie after watching this! It's true. You need to see if the airforce is for you and the best place to start is at the bottom! Thanks so much for this. Now I just have to lose some weight to get in hahaha
Glad I could help. Good luck!
You were right originally. Just wasting your time enlisting if you already have a degree. 99% of prior enlisted would tell you to go right to OTA. Just go for it man. 10 year active duty here.
@@you8778 currently 1 year as active duty and still do not regret my decision. i much prefer the enlisted lifestyle
@@taylorgerrish7264 oh you got plenty of time :) also you're in the Air Force which is much different. Also you can't prefer something you've never experienced... :D
@@you8778 my wife is an officer I hear plenty about all the paperwork don’t worry lol
About to graduate from college with a bachelors. My father is a retired officer (Air Force), but I’d rather go the enlisted route as of now. Your video is incredibly helpful! Thanks and God Bless 🙏🏼💙
I’m very glad you hear this ❤️ if there is any other content of interest please let me know!
Great channel, as an A1C this is great content that would be hard to find without you!
TheSpearPoint this is so great to hear!! I plan on pushing a lot of great information on the USAF and USSF that not a lot of people know. Thank you for the positivity ❤️🇺🇸
The most important thing here is that OTS candidates don’t have to go to basic training. Sure, they have their own bootcamp but it’s way easier and you get treated better.
My favorite argument for enlisting first:
If you enlist first, you can join an Air National Guard unit while going to college, or you can do college while Active Enlisted. This would give you a chance to start racking up years-of-service toward retirement while also working toward becoming an officer.
Also, you're getting paid for those years as Enlisted. So, as long as someone buckles down on college during their 4 year enlisted contract, I believe an enlisted-first officer can make more money in the long run compared to a college-first officer. And then there's the benefit of being a 4-years-in-service O1 with possible job qualifications that result in bonus pay.
That is a very interesting insight, E05 AF here, our structures and CoS are very similar, after 15 years I'm struggling to promote due to availabilities, I am definitely looking towards OTS as now the only logical progression in my career. Great video! 😊
You are a 15 year E5 in the Air Force? You’ll never get chosen for OTS.
Cynthia,
Great video! It’s awesome to see you use the UA-cam platform to help your fellow Airman. My question to you is on Navy enlisted to Air Force officer. I have a STEM degree. I was wondering if you have heard of anyone doing that transition
Glad to hear that I’m helping!!
The timeframe for Army/Navy space requirements to move to the Space Force remains in FY22/23. Although legal provisions exist for other services to transfer to the Space Force, the current focus is on transferring the over 6,000 Airmen from the Air Force to the Space Force by mid FY21. We understand there is excitement for Space Force across all services right now. Space Force will release further details for a limited inter-service transfer program for other sister services for FY21.
One thing to consider as well is the age of commissioning. The Air Force and Space Force allow you to commission up to age 39 as opposed to the Army and other branches which is 32 or 34.
Interesting! I did not know that. Thank you.
Based on my research and experiences I gathered with other military guys, It's VERY HARD to go from Enlisted to OTS officer. Some of them go through 20 years of military and could never make it to Officer level. So if you do plan to join the AF as officer, come in as an officer first (even if it takes you 12-18 months to apply), It's worth it and this is probably your only chance to come in as a higher rank than everyone else. Your chance to become an officer is less than 3% when you go in as enlisted rounte. It's even harder if you're a minority. The military is mostly White male dominted ranks too, so it's harder for others race to go from enlisted to officer. This is all based on talking to several recruiters, military friends and current AF enlisted.
20 years? It looks like you can just get a bachelors and fo AFROTC to become an officer 2nd LT, or OTS after college 2nd LT
Thank you for your opinion, I politely disagree. The statistics can be very skewed depending on who (specific career fields) you talk to. Also, it highly depends on each board and what they are looking for. I’ve seen multiple cases where enlisted members commission at the3 year mark and I’ve seen people commission at 18 years and everything in between. If your mind is set and you seek advice and mentorship early anything is possible.
What you said about white male preference in today's military is totally untrue. That was trued 40 years ago. Not true in today's military, its actually the opposite.
Thank you for your service!
Thank you!
Hi Cynthia, after browsing through UA-cam and clicking on your video I realized you look familiar from somewhere else, and it dawned on me you are on the same community page for our base. I won’t mention the name of the base on here for sake of your privacy because I noticed you don’t mention it, and neither do I on my videos. Anyways, best of luck on your tech school and UA-cam channel!
Miguel thank you! UA-cam brings us all together lol
Great video. You might also mention my scenerio of graduating from ROTC, I was commissioned and served 8 years active duty, transfered to the AF Reserves while taking a GS12 Federal Air Force Civilian Flight Chief. This way you can get a AF Pension from the Reserves and a Air Force Civil Service Pension...plus I also get VA Disability Pension at 100% due to medical conditions that occured while I was a active duty officer. BtW whats the tattoo on your right arm? Lots of great Air Force Civilian careers that you can get being prior Air Force military and if you don't do 20 years active duty, you can buy back your military time to add to your AF civil service time for retirement so you wont lose that 6yrs or 12yrs you may have done already either as a officer or enlisted member. Good luck Superstar!
Shipping out October 3rd for Dental Assistant. 🎉
If you already have a 4 year degree DO NOT ENLIST. Take yo behind to OCS/OTS. Trust me you’ll think me later.
Thanks for the advice
No, I want to start from the bottom.
@@Tatsuya.O_hkt Cool…Have fun doing shitty jobs to include cleaning toilets with a toothbrush & getting paid crumbs
Thanks man
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Same. Enlisting and then commissioning later would be more conducive.
I would add this. I do not know about the "free education". People with inside day jobs can take advantage of off duty education better than people who work on the flight line or in the missile field. It is not easy. Congrats on your success. The AF has changed a lot. I wish you luck in the Space Force. Make sure you can move around if needed to enhance promotion opportunity. My advice is to take an OPR (front and back) place it under the plexiglass of your desk. Each day try to satisfy as many of the blocks as you can. Keep track of what you do. Make bullets and other similar statements suitable to insert on an OPR. Hand in (to your rater) this information around three to four months before your OPR is due. Keep a copy. Remember, you must take care of yourself before you can take care of other things.
You’re awesome. I needed to hear this, completed my Natural Science Degree. In processing for the Airforce now and really want OTS. I’m going to enlist first, see how I like then hopefully transition. Thank you so much! This was very helpful
Happy to help! Good luck with your journey!
99% of prior enlisted will tell you to just start as an officer if you already have a degree. No need to waste time being enlisted potentially doing something that has no relation to the officer route you decide later. 10 year active duty enlisted here.
@@you8778 do you feel airmen respect an officer less if they werent an airman first?
I enlisted in the Navy and was an ATC. I wanted to have the Navy pay for college so I didn’t have debt over my head for the rest of my life but found that I just wouldn’t be able to deal with all the politics that surround rising in the ranks as an officer once you pass O-3 and liked doing things the way that I was. I just wanted to say that not seeking the officer ranks doesn’t mean that you’re lazy or unmotivated.
The pay doesn’t matter (which always makes me laugh) because the military has never been the road to riches and even the officers don’t make as much as their civilian counterparts. You just need to make sure that you pick a MOS that has real world applications. I did, but if you’re an ordie or something else that’s similar you won’t find to many jobs that need it in the civilian world.
Absolutely agree! Thank you for your input ❤️🇺🇸
There are many way to get into the military, enlisted is the Barney style way with very little responsibility and consequences. Officer side is the adult at the officer side with high standards, responsibility and sacrifices. Officer was for me, but then again that was after doing enlisted Marine Corps then going Officer through the ROTC commissioning program while doing school, if you’re prior service you only need 2 years ROTC in college to get commissioned
As a former enlisted Air Force exactly why I left the Air Force when the officers ruled the military and the segregation between the two ranks that was enough for me
The dumbest thing the USAF did was drop E4 Sgt to E4 Senior Airman. Got out as a E4 buck Sgt. Went back in the reserve as a Senior Airman and the blue star. I attended some classes and told them I got out as a E4 buck Sgt.
You went from enlisted to officer. I have a degree and am considering enlisting first I had a 2.4 gpa in college bc I was working full time during my schooling. Do they look at your gpa when applying if you’re currently enlisted? Also, do how many applications did it take for you personally to be accepted to commission?
Considering putting my CS Degree to good use. How has your experience been so far?
If you go in as a Space Operations Officer can you be stationed in one state for as long as 4-6 years and then leave to work outside of the Army? I have a bachelor's in computer science and I am interested in the Space Force. Also, do you work 8 hours a day and then go home to your family? (And is it guaranteed that you will become an officer if you have a bachelor's?)
Sorry for the delay! I try to remove myself from social media on the weekends. Typically as an officer you stay at a unit on average for 3 years (could be more or less depending on location). However, since the majority of units are in CO there’s a chance for you to stay in CO Springs or Denver by changing your units, which can extend to a longer term in the area. I’m not sure what you are referring to with the Army... But it is very common for Air Force people to continue their job outside of the military for a government civilian or contractor job. Additionally, the shifts vary on the job and unit you support. Intel and space officer are “ops” jobs which require 24/7 support. So you may work shift work early in your career until you are higher ranking. Lastly, it is not guaranteed to go officer with a degree. But in your case you have a strong degree since they are seeking STEM. I would apply for OTS a couple times before you debate another path (going enlisted first, etc.).
@@SpaceNerdConfessions I got off the phone with a recruiter and they told me that the Air Force does not consider Computer Science as a STEM degree which got me confused since it is a STEM degree that takes Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math courses. And told me about some non-officer training that I can take instead? I'm confused lol.
Viet Phan well that is false! I would try contacting another recruiter because I googled Air Force STEM degrees and Computer Science is listed on their website. I’ll post the link below. But definitely recommend getting in contact with another office.
Viet Phan www.afrotc.com/scholarships/desired-majors/
Hello:) I am considering joining the air guard, but I am stuck between going enlisted or commissioning. I am 29 years old with 2 masters degrees and about 5 years of work experience. I have heard it is better to go enlisted and then commission. I was hoping you could provide some insight since I am getting a lot of varying feedback. Thanks!
Hey there! So it all depends on what you are wanting in a career in the air guard, based on the criteria I discussed. There’s no right or wrong answer. Also I’m not too familiar with the guard process or selection rate for officers. You can always apply as an officer for the guard and if it doesn’t work out, go enlisted. But you worked hard for two masters, I would give commissioning a couple shots! Hope this helps.
Officer. That’s a dumb question
The only way I’d go enlisted is special operations. That way you can be in the teams for a long time and be in a specialized skill. Other than that, if you have a degree very dumb idea to not go officer
Please go officer
DO NOT GO ENLISTED. PLEASE GO OFFICER!
Won't lie 32 didn't think I could get into the air force thought I needed to finish college an all that BEFORE applying honestly thinking about long term 10 years+ wanna try and become an officer at least make Captain maybe in SECURITY Forces
But isnt OTS hper competitive? You can do air force rotc even as an older person in your 30s. Ive been looking into it
Thank you for this information! I have a BA in communication, and I am struggling right now in deciding if to enlist or to go directly to becoming an Officer. Some tell me it's a good opportunity, but not many will give me the respect that an enlisted officer would have. I don't mind enlisting and having that experience and other side of the coin, but many have told me it would be a dumb decission, since you have to climb up in order to be "considered" to become an officer. As in, it's more competitive and dificult to actually get to that point. So i'm still not sure what to do, or what would be best?
Hey! I’m also a Communications major and I’m thinking of going the officer route. The pay is significantly better and I in a sense want to earn some good money because of the four years of college that I did.
Don’t let other people’s opinions direct your decision, just consider their experiences as good for thought. Just see what job opportunities are out their for officer and enlisted and try to mirror it up with your goals and/or timeline. If you join with the job that you wanted you won’t regret it either way. Just always look ahead and make goals!
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I have a bachelors degree and currently working on my PPL, I wanted to come in as officer & on the pilot side, but everyone at my nearby AirForce base is telling me that I should come in as enlisted then transition to Officer. IDK if they’re lying to me just to get a # in, or if it’s really better to come in as enlisted any advice? If enlisted, is it true I can transition to officer as soon as I finish tech school (example: if I choose a career that takes 1-1.5 months to complete tech school)? I wanted to be reserve 1st for the 4yrs to see how I like it, within those 4 yrs be a pilot already in case I don’t want it for long term/life long career.
I've recently graduated with a 4yr B.S. degree in Applied Mathematics, and I'm looking into the officer route. I was wondering if you have any tips or advice when it comes to communicating with a recruiter? The goal is to pursue a cyber related career like cyber operations or cyber security. Is there something I should be doing right now to better prepare myself for the processes to come? Thank you!
I would just say to do your research! If you have long term or short term goals by joining the service have a good idea of what careers to pursue so that you aren’t easily convinced when they offer you a job that you may not want.
Louie Vasquez I just graduated with a Applied Math degree too lol, I’m looking into then Air Force as well.
Did you go through with it? I’m in the same position rn and I’m considering
Update?
I'm interested in joining, I have my AA in Early Childhood Education. What are the odds of getting a waver if i have Poriasis?❤❤❤
would the army enlisted side for cyber be viable if i already have a degree and i have student loans? Ideally i would've wanted to do air national guard or ROTC during college (but i didnt know), so im just trying to figure out if i should
1. go army national guard and do cyber to get my loans paid
2. go air national guard and do cyber, no loans paid
both will pay for my masters/doctorate though 🤔
One of the biggest drawbacks on the officer side is that officers are mandated by Air Force policy to PCS/move every two (at most three) years, which causes a lot of loss in potential earning as one could make from purchasing real estates. This is often overlooked by many, but every move potentially comes with a huge cost to one's spouse and children, especially if your spouse's work relies on a local network of customers that often requires years to build. I am speaking as an E-4 maniac on the enlisted side, but I make a lot more money than the O-2 in my squadron due to my real estate investment. Considering the wife of the O-2 had to give up her own career to accompany her husband, the combined earning power of my wife (a Mortgage Loan Originator / loan officer) and myself together far exceeds an O-2 officer family that has to move every two years. However, my situation might be unique, as my current PCS location is one that people often do not have to leave unless they want to.
This is a great point! Thank you!
CGO assignments are 3-4 years long. FGO move every 2-3 years. but you're right; every move comes with a cost. in fact, serving at all is costly in many ways, not just financial. but we don't join the Air Force to make our millions.
You are awesome！
Coming from a civilian background pursuing a physics undergraduate degree... What are they looking for in an "ideal" candidate from OTS since its highly competitive? How can I elevate and better my chances of succeeding through OTS? What inspired you to go into the Air Force, and what advice would you give to your younger self before you enlisted?
Suzy Steel have you checked out my OTS video? There would be some tidbits in there. As far as ideal it’s kind of hard to define, but they definitely are looking for leadership potential and STEM degrees. Someone that is highly motivated and willing to learn and is portrayed in their application.
And I also feel like there’s not a right answer to succeed through OTS is a very unique environment including people with diverse backgrounds. So my success may be different than someone who may not be prior enlisted, we all bring something to the table.
I plan on making a video of what inspired me to join the Air Force but it was started from a youth camp that involved ROTC students and that was my first exposure to the military aspect.
The advice I would give to myself is to surround myself with mentors I look up to. Not everyone is perfect in the military you may come across amazing leaders and not so great leaders but it’s good to learn from both. It can be easy to get unmotivated and disheartened about the military so it’s important to think big picture because there are endless opportunities in the USAF. People get caught up in the now and don’t think about the future ahead of them.
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I have checked out all your videos, and they honestly inspired and were helpful for me to make the choice. I reached out to a recruiter, and am now trying to get my application done for OCS to try and become an officer in the Air Force. I ultimately desire to transfer into the Space Force. Thank you for your advice, and I agree I don’t think there is perfect or ideal candidate. I think that diversity, value, intellect, and character are important aspects to name a few, but definitely need to be tenacious and hard working too . I am excited that I am going forward with my decision, and I am really thankful for all your videos. Also, I really like the advice you would give to your younger self as I think it’s important surround yourself with the right people that aid in growth/peace. Thanks!
Suzy Steel that is super amazing to hear! That is the reason why I created this channel. The USAF and USSF have so much to offer and I want to make that known. If you have any additional questions along the way feel free to reach out!
Space Nerd Confessions Thanks again, and I definitely will reach out if/when I have questions.
Actually, I just thought of a question. Hair length...I read about having the length around the collar bone. I was wondering what the requirement/guidelines on that are.
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It would be awesome if you could gather information on joining the USAF as a physician whether that be through HPSP or USUHS. Thanks!
This is on my list, I’m slowly gathering information but since I’m not very familiar with the health career fields it’s a slow process for me.
Thank you for your video, I still hesitant on applying for ots just because on how competitive they came be also I have a family or 3 with a B.S in chemistry with a couple of year experience in laboratory. I always want to join the Air force but put it off and got married. I am concern about my age at 29 coming on 30 , if it might be already too late for me.
Not at all! With your background especially! The age cut off you can get an age waiver up to 39 years of age. I’d definitely look into it if you are still interested. Stay tuned for my next video where I will discuss how to put an OTS package together!!
This might not be related but i have a few questions and my google only brings yahoo answers , so you have bmt you have usafa ,tech school and ots . Now i really want to be an officer bc from what i've seen only officers/higher ranks get to fly and i really want to be an airforce pilot one day. Anyways my question is : after you go to bmt where do you go to be an officer do you need to go to tech school before ots? Or go to the academy before ots, ooorrr is ots after tech school, my second question is what to study if you want to be an pilot. Lol sorry that this is so long.
So it’s sounds like you got a handful of commissioning programs mixed up. My next video with be on ROTC but following that I can maybe make a video on the different programs to go as officer? And explain each one? Would that help?
Oh and also, you don’t need to be a high ranking officer to fly. If you get selected as a pilot officer you start training immediately after OTS or whatever commissioning source you used.
@@SpaceNerdConfessions so what of you dont get selected as a flying pilot? I mean wouldn't that really suck?
Was going to enlist but I got accepted to another college with an ROTC program! Second bachelors degree here I come lol
Awesome!! Good luck with ROTC and enjoy it while you can ❤️🇺🇸
Good luck dude
Did you apply with the Unversity or you did with an Air Force recruiter? I have a degree in General science, can I just apply or I can apply with the Unversity I want to go too? Please help, thank you
@@hotlonx your university might have an ROTC detachment, I would start there. I ended up not enrolling into classes because of the lack of financial aid and enlisted. Now I’m in tech school for Public Affairs and going to work on my masters degree for free!
At 11:23, that's where I'm anxious about since my friends who have prior military experience have been telling me that I can't be too friendly at the get-go or else I won't be respected by those I'm in charge of. I am hoping to get the O-5 position so I've been training since Feb 2020 and next I'm going to look into AFOQT practice tests so I can stand out.
I wouldn't be concerned about being to friendly and not being respected. It's all about balance! You will get the hang of it and find your groove.
Hi! So my I finished my masters degree as I was getting married to my husband who is a Marine. Life happened between moving and having a son. Now that my son is in school and my husband only has 6 years left till retirement I want to join the AF. I was planning on trying to go officer but after watching your last video I’m thinking of going enlisted first then try to transition to officer. I’m 34 and will be 35 in May. My deadline to talk to a recruiter is by January so now I’m just confused lol.
So there is an age cap of 39 years old (must accomplish training before 40th birthday) for both officer and enlisted. So for your situation, for the sake of time, I’d advise you to go officer first. Get your package together as soon as possible and apply for every board until you are selected. Let me know if you have any additional questions!!
Space Nerd Confessions thank you for responding :). I would love to be part of the Space Force one day.
Of course!! Also I forgot to mention that you can join the reserves at any age. The Space Force will be developing reserve and guard units eventually, I’ll briefly go over that in my next video!
@@SpaceNerdConfessions would it be possible if I could send you an email with a more in-depth question? If not, I completely understand.
Would you mind posting the question in here? Or is there personal information involved? Just don’t want to blast my email on here lol
Hi Cynthia,
I'm 33 and looking into joining the Air Force in intelligence or logistics, I'm great at problem solving. I have a Bachelors degree and want to become an officer. My concern is leading people in a job that I haven't done myself. So enlisting first makes sense to me but I have to Commission by age 35. Does that mean before age 35 or before my 36th birthday. If so is there enough time to commission if I enlist first? Thank you and great content.
According to the AF website you can commission up to the age of 40 with an age waiver. That being said, if you prefer to be enlisted first you can apply for OTS birds as early as a couple years in, I believe you’ll need a a waiver but it’s possible! If you are worried about age and want some experience before your end goal of commissioning I would start early in your enlistment to prepare for applying.
I'm so jealous I'm about to enlist end of this year to hopefully one day join the space force
I wish you luck!
@@SpaceNerdConfessions I appreciate that beyond belief this journey is so brutal I had acl and meniscus surgery wich left a ton of scar tissue in my knee but my doctor says I'm fit for duty I just have to work through the pain if I really want it
Hey love the video! I’m currently in school for a bachelors in applied computing (cybersecurity). I really wanna do AFROTC to be in Cyberspace operations. Any advice ? I’m really confused on to how competitive the space force is
how much do you have left on your degree? have you contacted the AFROTC detachment?
Best route to be a pilot? Excluding the academy.
Richard Aldridge you can become a pilot out of ROTC and OTS! You have the opportunity to become a pilot from all commissioning platforms.
Get your degree and private pilot license (ROTC),Go guard or reserve, get your hours, and get an airline job. Don’t go active duty.
How many times did you apply before you were accepted to become an officer? While you were enlisted. Also what was your college GPA and major?
Stoked to join the usaf when I’m older.
Wish you luck!
If you were to join the AF as an Enlisted with a bachelor's degree and already have taken the AFOQT, what would you have to wait for before submitting a packet for OTS? I keep hearing that going enlisted first is better, but I'm not sure I see how, logistically speaking, it would be much of a benefit.
You would need to wait for the scheduled boards where you would apply based on your overall package. The board members will look at your application as a whole to include leadership opportunities and job experience in your enlisted time.
Enlisted first or going to straight in as an officer is up to the person. There are different benefits, going in enlisted first gives you a different perspective as an officer (for most).
How challenging would that be for an immigrant become an airforce officer
I plan on being an 11b for 6 years then join rotc to become a nurse then an officer. Is that possible ?
What do you think of Intel Analyst? Did you like that AFSC? What was your deployment tempo?
Have you checked out my video where I interviewed intel analysts?? Lots of great info on there to include deployment tempo! I liked being an intel analyst, lots of opportunities out there for 1N0’s to fit your goals. My first unit I only went overseas for a month in the first four years and then I got selected for a special duty position for my last three years and I deployed A LOT. But I applied for that unit. I’ll post the link to the video so you can take a look!
ua-cam.com/video/rAIKs3qyMos/v-deo.html
So being a mother of 4, I’m working on my bachelors in health science and my school has it to where you can continue onto your masters which I plan to do but wanted to eventually try to join and try becoming an officer. Being an unwed mother stops me from doing that?
Elisa Eggers great question! I’ve reached out to my mentors so I can get accurate and recent information for you so I don’t misdirect you.
Wow so I didn’t realize how strict they are on single parents joining the military. Maybe depending on your kids ages and your custody you can get it waived but it depends on your recruiter!
Elisa Eggers I had someone reach out who joined as unwed! Her thoughts: “You can join as a single mother, but a care plan is necessary. The custody thing is if you go to the Air Force Academy. You cannot have any dependents. The way parents have taken care of this in the past is grant custody to one of the children's grandparents. Then once they commission, the grandparents transfer custody back. However, she should be aware if she wants to go the Academy route that it's not temporary custody, it's permanent custidy and you're relying on someone transferring custody back at the end so it should be someone you trust more than anything. This is not necessary for ROTC or OTS.”
Hi Cynthia, I’m from Panama 🇵🇦, I’m American born overseas i never visit Usa, i recently finish my bachelor in psychology (They accepted my Panamenian degree?) My idea is enlisted studied my master degree and next apply to OTS
I believe that they only accept US accredited degrees for OTS. Good luck though!
@@SpaceNerdConfessions thanks 😊
I’m currently in the process of joining the air guard as a public health officer. I’m currently a 30 y/o veterinarian. I’ve passed MEPS and now waiting on security clearance prior to raising my hand. I have full intention of fulfilling 20+ years. I’m wondering if all officer positions offer rank progression? Or are there certain positions that ‘cap’ the rank to Lt Col? Or is it purely board dependent and a public health officer could feasibly work up to Col? I’d be joining as a Captain with upgrade to major after COT/OTS and then schooling. But unsure if I’d hit a ‘maximum rank’ over the next 18+ years.
Reached out to a mentor and got you an answer straight from the source. “Hi, in the ANG MDG, you will certainly promote up to It Col. To be promoted to Col you have to be nominated and then put in an O6 position. Again, in an ANG MDG, your only available O6 position is the group commander. Any medical AFSC can be the commander. But again, you would be nominated by your wing commander and state. There is a 2nd O6 in the MDG but it is the director of aerospace medicine so it is a provider.
You can be a Lt Col until you reach 28 years of commissioned service. Then you can request an extension to 30 years.”
Hope this helps!!
More info. “I'm a Public Health Veterinarian in the Guard, did active duty as well. My position caps at a LT Col. Even though they will upgrade to a Maj due to credits quickly, because of how the guard works, it's going to take them quite some time to put on Lt Col anyway. It's honestly going to be tougher coming in as a major if they have no prior mil experience. You have the rank, but nothing to actually back that rank. And military public health is quite different than being a Veterinarian or even civilian PH. Please feel free to point them in my direction if they need help navigating Guard PH. I can also hook them in with other awesome PHOs who know way more than I do!”
Very helpful! Thank you!
I noticed you talked about the space force in the beginning. If I go through the air force, how is the process of transferring into the space force? Is it a very hard and long process, or could I specify that early and get on a track? If my major is something like env engineering, but I wanted to do something involving aerospace engineering, would that disqualify me? Thank you!
Very easy! But it’s only an “automatic” transfer for the core AFSCs 13S or 1C6. As for the other jobs that transfer take a look at my Space Force Career Fields video and I talk about how the transfer works and what jobs are involved. ua-cam.com/video/rAIKs3qyMos/v-deo.html
And you would definitely be set with your degree! They aren’t very specific, just as long as it is STEM at this time.
@@SpaceNerdConfessions Thanks for your help!
Currently 22 and Im enlisted, in trying to commission, but I need to get that degree. About to finish up my first year in. Wish I would of joined right when I turned 18!!
Also do you have to take the afoqt if you already took the asvab?
Ryan D what degree are you pursuing? Are you interested in possible scholarship programs? I’ll be doing my next video on AFROTC scholarships. And yes you will need to accomplish the AFOQT even though you did the ASVAB. Applies to everyone, prior enlisted or not. Lastly, you have plenty of time to commission!!
@@SpaceNerdConfessions I am trying to go into criminal justice, talked to my first sergeant the other day. He said there are some things I can do to earn me more credit. So far I have 34 college credits. I have had AFROTC cross my mind, however I am thinking more of getting my degree while on active duty, and then applying to go to OTS. I am trying to get into OSI.
Ryan D well I wish you luck with your journey! Right now OTS is highly competitive and seeking specific career fields and degrees, and boards are changing a lot. BUT by the time you are ready for OTS I’m sure it will change. My next few videos will be on different scholarships, today I will be posting AFROTC scholarships. So stay tuned to see if it would be something you are interested in!
Hey cool video. I thought I could go officer but talked to several recruiters and they all say there’s no open spots for officers this year unless you have a medical degree which I don’t. So everyone says I should go enlisted unless I want to wait years for an open officer spot that is not guaranteed. Do you have a video where you talk about that, how sometimes there’s no officer spots for civilian entry?
it's extremely difficult to become an officer through OTS right now (...and always). have you considered AFROTC?
Hi ma’am! Just browsing UA-cam looking at different people’s experience. Currently staff sergeant in the Air Force and am an analyst as well. Almost done with my first enlistment (6 years) and am planning on extending my contract as I am due to PCS in the Spring! My plan to is apply for OTS at my next assignment (this past board got cancelled I am not sure why). I currently have my Bachelor’s degree in Cybersecurity (4.0 GPA) and an associates in general studies. I am wanting to pursue an MBA at some point and am not sure if I should go ahead and start now as you mentioned higher level education can help. Do you have any tips I can start doing now to make me more competitive while currently being enlisted? I just helped one of my troops with her process into USAFA and she just found out it she got accepted and this only motivates me more! I know each commissioning process is different and I heard OTS they usually look at last amongst all of them when it comes to commissioning.
the best thing you can do is crush it in your current and next assignment. the MBA could help, but it's only one factor. if you're dead set on being an officer and you really want that MBA, you could separate, join AFROTC, and earn your commission in two years.
Hey Nice video. Thanks for bringing this information. It has been hard to find some information. I want to join as a reservist officer. I have a BS in Metallurgical Engineer, a MS in Petroleum Management, a MBA and working towards my Phd in Materials Science & Engineering and 10 years of experience in industry in technical & leadership positions. Motivated form my wife to serve ( Army veteran). I just turn 36. How appropriate you see that I can send my package to OTC or should I go to enlist first?
Definitely go for it! Put a couple applications in and what’s the worst that can happen?? According to the Army website you can commission into active duty by 42 with an age waiver or by 45 for reserve. With you education and experience I don’t see why they wouldn’t take you. Good luck!
The Army raised their age limited to 42 years
This was very informative. I think many of the attributes can be related to other branches. For example: I'm enlisting into intelligence/cryptography (Navy) with a degree (stupid, I know) but my package was nowhere near competitive enough to commission to Navy OCS in the Intelligence Warfare rate. I think I'm making the correct decision bc I don't have any desire to be a Naval Flight Officer or Surface Warfare Officer. I was told it would be slightly easier to commission into intelligence w/ an enlisted intelligence background. Thoughts? Thanks.
Yeah definitely, the competition can vary not only with the branches but with timing also. And for commissioning into intel from enlisted intel, I would agree that it is only slightly easier. Still very competitive and not guaranteed.
@@SpaceNerdConfessions Thank you for the response! And good luck!
Do you think officers have a tough time dating compared to enlisted members since there's far less of them than enlisted members? Also, I'm studying for a computer science degree so I may be interested in getting a tech job. I wonder if I should choose officer even though I've never expressed natural leadership?
Hey Prior-E Navy here currently in AFROTC. Just for the sake of knowledge, do Airmen get free CCAF and CCAF to baccalaureate opportunities? When I was in, Tuition Assistance only provided ~$3000/year, which is barely enough and I could imagine would take a long time to finally get a BA.
Yes! Enlisted airmen can use their tech school as CCAF credit and to finish it out they can use TA. They just lowered USAF TA to $3750 a year with the average cost of a class costing $750. TA can be used for higher level degrees also. I’m currently using it for my masters.
Is it true that officers cant get close with enlisted personnel? And some officers of the air force feel like a clique-ish since they undergo the academy as cadets vs OTS?
There is a fine line of having appropriate relationships between officer and enlisted personnel. But it doesn’t mean you can’t be close with them per se. Just need to keep it professional.
I wouldn’t say the officers are divided based on background! From my experience I haven’t noticed that.
you're right. SOME officers are clique-ish. some, not all.
You are so pretty!!!
What do you do for a living? I’m in the US Space Force. Not a bad thing to say; not a bad thing to say at all. You dun good kid.
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Hello I was wondering if you could give any advice. I am stuck on going enlisted or joining rotc to do my masters and commission 2-3 years later. If I do enlist, I am going in as Services 3F1X1. I have a bachelors degree already,. Would like any tips :)
if you want to be an officer and have the option of doing AFROTC, it is by far the more direct and less competitive route.
Hi how do I apply for ots, ?? Before or after afoqt?? I have a bachelors degree.. could I join rotc..
Sorry I never saw your comment. You apply after AFOQT since it is part of your application. And you can't join ROTC with a Bachelor's.
Can I apply for OTS while being active duty in the Navy?
How hard is it to cross train from being enlisted in a field and then commissioned into another field? For example, enlist in security force and then become an Intelligence officer later.
Jack Great question! It’s actually super common for people to choose new career field when they commission. As I did!
You just have to keep an eye on the OTS boards, whether your career field of interest is an option. I explained this more in my OTS Explained video. Hope this helps!
@@SpaceNerdConfessions Thanks for the help, I have one more question. The highest initial enlistment is E-3 in the airforce right? How long should someone wait before they can apply for officer?
Jack correct! I’ve heard about a few people getting picked up after only a year and a half in. BUT this isn’t a guarantee, depends on your education and how strong of a package you have. Or what the USAF wants or needs. If you have a STEM degree that will do you good. But if you do enlist at least you can work on more school and put it on your package.
Couldn’t join the military because of a physical disability. At the very least the Air Force and Navy were nice about it
I am strongly considering AFROTC.
I’ve heard a lot of good things!
@@SpaceNerdConfessions if that doesn't work out I might consider Coast Guard or Navy.
There is no disadvantage to going O straight in. None. I was E for 8 and O for 12. If I had it to do over I would have gone straight in as an O. The benefits are so minimal from the upside it is pointless. Also prior E is not more likely to get picked up over a new applicant. I retired as O-4 and would have for sure made at least O-5 if I had gone straight in as O. Also medical issues get scrutinized hard on riot service. No one gives more "respect" to prior service. Respect comes from doing a good job. Not resting on laurels.
Im curious, from enlisted to officer how long did it take you to earn a degree?
I have a low college GPA so I couldn’t get into OTS. I’m enlisting now and still want to commission later on. Will I still get rejected because of my college GPA or will I have a chance because of already being in the Air Force?
GPA requirement 3.2 or higher to even be considered to commission as an Officer
@@itsjeremih 2.5 is the minimum, but the higher the GPA the better.
your GPA will still be part of your package. your best bet is to crush it as an airman and take some additional classes to boost your GPA.
1N4B?
Hey Cynthia! I am a college student 19 who joined ROTC pretty late into the game.
I'm still in my first weeks am I able to enlist while in college?
you can enlist in the Reserve and do AFROTC at the same time. how long before you graduate?
@@airforceofficerpodcast a semester but I’m trying to gain another degree to continue rotc. I’ve already started. I’m not sure if this the best route Any advice?
@@melody-mymusic6871 if you've got the time before graduation, definitely go the AFROTC route.
I am enlisted security forces been in for 4 years really considering ROTC. I don’t have my associates yet. But I would like to pursue that through ROTC any advice??
I didn't go through ROTC but I looked into it. I would recommend looking at universities that offer ROTC near family/friends since they do not pay for lodging.
good video I decided to join the AF reserves for cyber system ops just finish tech school. Since i have a 4yr degree in cyber security but didn't want to end up going active duty since enlisted gets low pay. I am curious can I still take the AFOQT at any time I know I have to wait 2 yrs before trying to apply for OTS just like to get that test over with thanks.
Why do you need to wait two years? I’d knock out the AFOQT whenever you feel ready! Doesn’t have to be in any window, just need the scores for the application.
Trying to be computer systems programmer (3d0x4) what should I do ?
Definitely talk to a recruiter about your options!
Do air force officers get the same educational benefits as enlisted? Like will the air force pay for classes taken by an air force officer?
Also if someone already has a college degree and enlists, do they still get all those educational benefits? Will the military pay for classes then? Or are those only for enlisted without a degree?
Tuition Assistance (TA) applies for enlisted and officer, which is a set annual amount for education. If you come in with an associates or bachelors as enlisted then you can only use TA for the next level of degree, for this instance a Masters. If you come in as an officer with bachelors or masters the same thing applies, they only pay for a higher level degree.
@@SpaceNerdConfessions Thank you! Does that apply to the GI Bill as well? After completing your enlistment contract, can the GI Bill only be used for a next level degree? Or can it be used towards any degree program a university accepts you for?
@@drewjoerger9476 the GI Bill can be used for any certificate, job training, or degree program that has been approved by the VA. doesn't matter if you already have a degree.
A recruiter told me today that my (English Degree) wouldnt qualify for Officer School?
Probably because of how competitive it is right now! Because there is a lot of interest in the USAF and USSF, they can limit the degrees for applicants.
@@SpaceNerdConfessions no worries. Im satisfied with enlisting E3.
I have a bachelors in International relations / Russian.
My goal is either to enlist to become a Cryptologic Language Analyst or join as an Officer for FAO or Intelligence
FAO is a secondary career field and typically awarded to officers who have served at least 8 years.
How long does it usually take to join officer? I have a degree but trying to decide to enlist or go officer
Depends on how booked out training is. That is a good question for a recruiter. I heard average application process takes 18 months to become an officer, more or less depending on the job and how many times you apply.
Obviously never seen combat as an enlisted or officer.
very few Air Force enlisted or officers ever "see" combat.
Also, Is it worth staying in and doing college and going to OTS or going through ROTC. Since I’m already in??
I’m in ROTC rn, and I have one semester left. My advice is to at least try to do ROTC. It’s a guaranteed commission if you complete the program. OTS isn’t guaranteed and highly competitive especially if you have a non STEM degree. It’s possible but still a lot more competitive to get into like she said.
Definitely some solid advice from Erin!
Once you are Enlisted and then commission...do you test to become commissioned or is there a program you go through?
There are different ways you can commission.
1. OTS (officer training school)
2. ROTC (college elective program)
3. USAFA (United States Air Force academy)
For these programs you need to take the AFOQT (Air Force officer qualification test) available at the education center. It’s similar to the ASVAB but with more subject material
I am planning on applying to USAFA. However I realize that it only has an 11% acceptance rate so if I do not get accepted would I be able to enlist and still get a free education at a different school?
$4,500 to apply to education to undergrad or higher degree such as masters. Air Force is always demanding people and lots of waivers!
have you considered AFROTC?
@@airforceofficerpodcast actually that is my new plan. After a lot of pondering, I decided that the Academy life isn’t for me, so I will be doing AFROTC. I don’t know what I was talking about with enlisting, I most definitely want to go the officer route
@@bradleywalton970 you could enlist in the Reserve while you do AFROTC. that way you could do both.
If i get enlisted with bachelors degree, can I apply for officer after 1 or 2 or 3 years of service?
Usually the soonest you can apply is after 2-3 years in, due to the first year/year and a half being dedicated to training. And I would say that it is more common to get picked up after gaining some experience in the job. However, I wouldn't say it is impossible. Depends on how strong your application is.
What are some things to seem be more competitive
Have you checked out my OTS video? I touch on this question there.
WANT TO BECOME A USAF OFFICER? OTS PROCESS EXPLAINED! - that’s the title of my video
Please I need help, i have Master in Systems/Mechanical, i want to join as a Reserve in Air Force. But, i am crumble about what to choose Enlisted or Officer. Can we have a talk ? i can not say everything here
Go officer u won't regret it
@@555125kevin As someone that want to go reserve, i got my recruiter who told me that in order to go officer reserve, i need to join enlisted and go through the Deserve Airman Program (DAP) after finishing my BMT and Tech school. However if i go active directly i can be an officer straight. Due to the fact that ii do not want to go active, i choose the enlisted -> then DAP process. What do you think ? i just wondering if there is no other option to join officer as reserve
If you prefer to go reserve and not go active, I would take the enlisted reserve route and work on commissioning right away. Maybe you can contact the unit that you would be reporting to and see if this is something they would be able to help you with and give you some guidance and answers! Better to hear from their mouths to have more of a guarantee.
@@alfredkamga7644 pretty sure u can go straight officer in the Air Guard
@@SpaceNerdConfessionsquick question I want to join the air force and I'm all about been and officer due to the money since I already spent a lot of money effort and time into my studies I have a master's degree in Project management planning to certify on PMP what program should I go for to go as a officer? Ty in advance
Go Space Force!
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Tell me about Special Warfare.
if you have to ask, you're not what they're looking for.
@@airforceofficerpodcast that's like saying if I asked why carbon is important than I shouldn't ask lol. Thanks though. I've got some PJs that don't think asking a question is a weakness guiding me through.
@@justinbranden5275 i'm glad you found someone to answer your questions.
do you need a bachelors degree to get in the airforce?
Only to join as an officer.
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What’s ots?
Officer Training School.
Hey Cynthia. I hope you're doing good wherever you are.
I have a question and I really appreciate your answer.
I am 34 years old (35 in June) and I have a masters degree. I'm not a U.S. citizen yet, but I applied for it 10 months ago (unfortunately because of the pandemic, it is taking longer than it normally does). However, I'm sure that I'll get my citizenship in 6 months from now.
Also, you know that citizenship is a MUST in order to apply for officer positions in any branch of the military.
On the other hand, I talked to recruiters and they said the process to get in as an officer can be as long as 1.5 years from the day I apply (so, I'm looking at almost 2 years from today).
Now my question is, is it going to be beneficial to me to enlist in the Airforce now and apply for officer position after I become citizen? I know that if I go that route, I'll have to do both the basic military training for 2 months now, and also the officer training school later for another 2 months.
Main question is, is the fact that I enlisted before, going to push me ahead of other applicants when I apply for that officer position?
Some people say it makes the process faster and easier, while some others say that they had to keep their enlisted job for quite a long time (a few years) until they were allowed or qualified to apply for their new job as an officer.
I'm honestly a little confused and I appreciate your help.
Thanks a lot
It really depends on your goals.
If you enlist the soonest you can apply to commission is a few years in, and depending if you have a strong enough application (enough experience) it can take longer. I would say the average OTS applicant is within a 5-8 year window but I can be wrong.
Due to your age you will have to decide one way or another and go with it. With an age cap of 39.
@@SpaceNerdConfessionsHi. Are you saying that a person cannot become an officer, enlisted or civilian, after the age of 39? I'm 38 and this question brought me here.