I recently purchased F80, shooting first trial roll of film with it. Mine came with the extra battery grip that holds cheap AA batteries. With this grip makes camera fit perfectly in my large hands, so very comfortable to hold. Lovely camera with all the controls familiar from using a Nikon DSLR, and my G lenses fit on with VR also working.
Thanks Geoffrey and sorry for my delayed reply. Yes the F80 is a perfect bridge from digital and can use the same glass as you say! Great work getting the AA grip! See my FG-20 video as I got the grip for that and love it! :)
Hello Matt: I just purchased a pristine and only slightly used N80 from a small camera store near me in New Jersey. I paid a great $79 for it. I had an N80 in the past that broke beyond economical repair, so finding this clean body was a real thrill. I also put the MB-16 battery grip on it as well. I have been shooting B&W film exclusively with it to include ILFORD HP-2 Super. You did a great comparison here. Well done!
I went even smaller when I decided to dive back into film. I picked up a N6006 and paired it with a 28-70 3.5-4.5D. I find it the perfect combo when I want to go out and shoot 35mm and not lug around a lot of gear. I love the F100 though, works with all my Nikon glass. One advantage I do see that the N80 has over the F100 is the manual cable release. The F100 I have to dig out my release for the D850. There is something to be said about simplicity.
Nice! Yes sorry I should have mentioned the cable release! Yes the F100 is a keeper but I will stick to small MF bodies I think for my travel setup. I just ordered the 28-50mm f3.5! :)
I had an F80 and absolutely loved it. I travelled around South East Asia with it, shot lots before college, through college and university photography degree with it too.
I have an N80 and an F100. Something I think you missed- for eyeglass wearers, the N80 viewfinder is good, the F100 is outstanding. All the frame edges visible without having to peek around. Full info along the bottom of the viewfinder frame, even slightly better than my F3 HP
I can actually use my F100 without my glasses on, the F80 had a cheaper viewfinder that requires me to keep my glasses on. I believe the F100 is a pentaprism while the F80 I believe is a pentamirror. Some google links say the F80 is a pentaprism, but I swear mine looks like it’s a pentamirror.
Another great video Matt, Ive cut my collection (much to my wife's delight) of 140 cameras down to about 25 ish using the money to fund less but more expensive film cameras, however a colleague of mine messaged me at the weekend offering me a mint Nikon F80 plus lens,,,,,,,,,,, for free, no longer required and hardly used it was his dads, never expected you to be such a Nikon guy, I never was till I saw the awesome F2 and being an engineer by trade was awestruck by its design and feel, so bought one from Japan. keep up the good videos they're great
Thanks and nice story. I Mai my use the FM3a now and not the AF cameras but yes once I found small Voigtlander glass in F mount I was hooked! I often use alongside Leica
My wife bought me the camera way back in the day... However, I only ran a roll or two through it and then bought my first digital... In the last year I have gone back to shooting film and have rediscovered this camera... It is simply great!!! I can use all my lenses and get amazing film photos... I highly recommend it for anyone just looking for a carry around film camera!!!
I love the N80. It's so light and I really like all the automation. The auto focus and matrix metering work great. The N80 is frequently sold with a very light 28-80mm G lens and I love that lens also. When the results on film are important to me the N80 is the camera I use.
The Nikon f100 was a wonderful camera. It retailed at about £895 At the time. You have got the cheaper of the two model. Why two models , I am afraid you appeared to have the first model. That was very heavy on batteries . Expect to get about four rolls of film per set of AA batteries. The later version with built n battery box was of course a lot better, but was a bit dearer at £1050! If I remember, and yes I did own the earlier version
@@christopherminnerly1133 thanks Christopher, great info! I use rechargeable AA in the F100 so that doesn’t worry me but equally good to know if I am travelling so thank you!
The 28-80G is *best* being used at F5.6-F13 aperture, only. But then, it's good enough for the task. Pro's very light & small weights almost nothing if one is lucky, you can buy it for peanuts, often is a *free* kitlens with a F65/F75 & F80. 28-80 "G" lens is minimal sharper, better than both older 28-80/3.5-5.6 smaller than the previous 28-80 I & II generation Con's very simple lens design some distortion @28mm avoid F3.5-4.5 apertures, too soft, also corner sharpness mediocre, way cheapskate build quality.
Nikon FG was my first film camera purchase, which I bought (supposed to be for prop use only) from fb marketplace for $30 CAD ($22 USD) and it came with 3 lenses (one of which is the awesome Vivitar 28mm f/2.0). I still love it for the very same reasons you listed. Bonus feature: TTL Flash works! At least with an SB-600... Finally pulled the trigger on an F80, thanks to this video!
I bought a Nikon N80 a few years ago specifically to be able to bring it to a (no professional cameras allowed) concert. It was Queen with Adam Lambert. The camera served its purpose brilliantly in combination with an AF Nikkor 85 1.8D, although at the concert I only used manual focus. Shots came out lovely. After the concert I even did a photo shoot with it but to me the autofocus in dim light situations lacked a little in comparison to my F100 but that’s to be expected. Naturally, like an idiot I sold it. Fast forward a few years and I shoot street a lot more and now I’ve come to the conclusion it would be a great companion out on the streets with my Tamron 45 1.8. Needless to say I will repurchase another copy. Great little cameras. Cool video Matt, cool channel!
Great idea! Smart thinking! I have since sold mine but only because I’m a sucker for small MF bodies, FE2, FM2 etc (recommended if you shoot MF too)(see that video!)
So in dim lighting, you're saying the F100 performs better in autofocus even though the F80 has that light that flashes for focus assist (the F100 doesn't have that)...🤔
@@eladbari Yes! That’s exactly what I’m saying. The F100 has the Cam 1300 autofocus module which is superior the the F80/N80’s Cam 900 module. The F100 shares the F5’s module! So within the same EV range of 0-21 which both cameras have the F100 will outperform the N80. In addition to that I can mount my SB-600 on my F100 for AF focus assist which is also a light so all things considered, yes, the F100 is superior. I’ve owned both cameras!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hah, hah. I live alone, so I'll be doing a lot of "catching up" over the Christmas holidays, Matt. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
I put a f2.8, 135mm AI on my F80 and was able to manually focus with the in-screen green light. It was a sunny day and my portraits on Ilford FP4 Plus turned out great. The combo camera/lens was great.
I brought a chrome F80 when they first came out all those years ago. It was my first AF Nikon. It turned out to be one of Nikon's very last non-pro level film cameras I believe..It came with an excellent fast focus AF-D 28-80mm which I still use to this day with my FE (Manual focus only) & D750. You just can't beat Nikon when it comes to older lens capability😎
Thanks Marky! Sorry for my late answer. I will do more Nikon vids when I get chance. yes I like my MF Nikons especially - FG20 (see video) and like you the FE + FM series. :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaComLook forward to that as a lifelong Nikon fan👍 Their F-mount is a legend. It's a shame they are moving to the Z-mount with their new mirrorless SLRs, which don't have anything like the backwards compatibility with the FTZ adapter...However I can understand why they are doing this if they are going to remain in the camera business at all..It just makes me smile how easy Nikon has made it to mix & match high quality older lenses with newer cameras over the years thanks to that F-mount..
@@markymark3572 yes well said. I’m a rangefinder boy now but I still have a lot of Nikon gear. My first was D90, D700 and still have D800 + 8 film bodies and all the lenses. I’ll do some Nikon glass vids in the future (more of). 200 f2 etc :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom That will be great, must admit I have been having a close look at the F4S at the moment...It's one of the used bargains of the century right now. It was such a massive leap forward for SLR's when launched, first pro camera with AF, first with a built-in motor drive, first with modern matrix metering etc...& it was the last Nikon pro SLR to have traditional dials too..So it has a lot going for it I think😎
Matt I got my F100 on Ebay from Japan mint condition boxed with grip, shutter release, a second focus screen the grid one, one of the pro straps and the rubber eyecup all for 🥁 £275 that included 3 day shipping with DHL and tax.
Only thing the cameras below F100 lack for my needs would be setting exposure in thirds of a stop for transparency film. And what F100 lacks compared to the pro cameras is Mirror Lockup for slow shutter speeds with long lenses from a tripod.
The N80 is another sleeper of a camera. I’ve also owned mine since new; it was actually my wife’s travel camera way back when. An excellent backup autofocus body. I use it with a grip which gives it a little more weight and stability, while also allowing the use AA batteries. The N80 shutter, to my ear, sounds so much more damped than the top tier autofocus bodies of the era from Nikon.
Thanks yes agreed about being a sleeper! Yes I think the grip with AAs would work well if shooting a lot of film. I like the FG-20 grip - shown in that video.
Nikon was the brand I started with, N5005! Back in secondary school. When I got back into photography a few years ago I purchased an F3 HP which I love. Now my Nikons have spawned into a bit of a collection. Nikon F3, F2, FE, F100, F601 along with some pretty decent glass. For years I identified as a Nikon shooter. Now I rely on Sony for digital although I still shoot my old D200. Leica M3 gets more shoot time than the F3 now. For me, they are all different brushes. Oh so yes please review your favorite Nikkor AI lenses!!
Hey Louis, thanks! I'm with you on the spawning cameras issue haha! Great to hear you have an M3 as a "Nikon-Sony" guy! Great choice! Yes I will try to do some of my favourite Nikon lenses this year. Stay tuned! :)
Thanks great choice and a great example of how doing your research pays off! :) Yes the F100 is a solid camera and being able to use AI/AIS lenses I will probably use that more of these 2 cameras.
Hi Matt, I did get a F90X some time ago to use beside my F, F2, F2a and F3p, and must say it is a joy, did get it for 50 euro in great shape (no sticky back) and for 50 euro a 50mm f1.8 and 100 euro a 28 f2.0 AF. So cheapo a nice start set for AF. The AF is faster as I did think and like the fact it has spot metering. Also a great cheap alternative on the F100
Yep, my fave knock-around Nikon is an N70. Small, light, Matrix meter and built-in flash. Only thing I wish is it had double exposure capability. Thing with these bodies is a nylon gear eventually wears and you get wonky film advance. But at $20 each, easy to replace. Their weird fan-shaped menu got panned by the press but I think it’s very well laid out and super quick to navigate once you commit to it.
Thanks sorry for the late reply! Yes i've seen similar issues with plastic/ nylon parts in other old cameras. The FG-20 won my heart of all these but i'll probably go back to the FE2 / that series after for something more solid.
Hello, i remember there is an option in the F100 to rewind leaving the leader out. I remember setting it up when i had a F100. The F80 being "prosumer" might have a similar option
Nikon ‘s F80 body chassis was used for Nikon and Fuji’s digital APSC cameras: D100, D200, S2 etc... The F80 viewfinder is the only complaint I have with it. When your used to using the F100 or F5 viewfinder then try the F80 it’s smaller and dimmer. Otherwise it’s a great camera. A mini F100.
Thanks Ryan, great info! I need to compare the finder to the others now.. I didn’t notice an issue but I only used an AF Leon’s so didn’t really need to see I guess!
Hi Matt! Quite old this video 😅... I use the battery grip on my F100 and always put Energizer Lithium AA. Very light and I can use the F100 for at least two years.... didn't count the 36 films...
I've cycled through Nikon AFs F80, F100, F4, and back to the F80. IMHO the F80 is my fav, it's by far cheapest, quietest, lightest, built in diopter, frame lines on demand, built in fill flash. Yes it's a plastic fantastic joy to shoot.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I'm sure you have trained your eye over time. Watching old black and white movies, thumbing through magazines can form a sense for what appeals (although, in a way, those magazine images are actually programing us as the readers a bit as well. Chicken / egg thing) If you ever want to get tripped out about the power of advertising images, find Jean Kilbourne's "Killing Us Softly: Advertising's Image of Women". When I first watched it, I almost threw up from the experience. I can be sensitive to callousness shown to individuals' psyche. It is a bit like "The Stepford Wives" mentality, steamrolling over people for profit.
@@Garacha222 Thanks, I’m Not much of a magazine reader, the last time I bought one was when I used to write articles for UK photo mags. I think I’ve just shot so many models in the last 10 years I just do it on autopilot now. Composition wise..
Very good vid, thanks Matt. Help me out with something here please (you may have a video on it). Why are people still using film in 2022? For context, my first camera was a Pentax K1000, and I loved it. I upgraded to the Pentax MG, and I loved it. I now mix between Nikon D600 and D3400, both fantastic cameras. I don't know why anyone would go back to film. What am I missing?
At the turn of the Millenium, the F100 was $995 USD from B&H. I remember because I bought two. It is a Nikon Pro camera. Besides superior build quality the round viewfinder port is a quick way to tell between Nikon pro and consumer level camera.
Thanks JK good info, thanks for sharing that. I bought the D800 on pre-order at the time it came out and used it with a D700 before I went to Leica. I still enjoy Nikon SLRs and the F100 is a keeper I think.
My friend had an F80 after seeing my F75 which I bought for £45 10 years ago. It uses my Nikon Sb600 Speedlight with all the functions. I use it with a Huonghu 35mm F2 af lens. A super lightweight combination. Expensive on batteries and it winds the film backwards which makes a nonsense of your frame numbering.
I like the N80 for my D lenses. I actually have two of them. Just be cautious with the rear latch with these. They will snap off if you just let them slap closed.
Hi Matt, great review!! I got the F100 F80 F801 F3 and the FE2 . Love all of them. But only one of them I do still use on a regurly basis .That's the FE2 ( witch is just perfect in therms of Weight, usability, durability, seize and it takes only two lr44 bateries that will last forever. I just looove the simplicity this little jewel. The F80 is a really good camera youre right; but I am always afraid that's the back door Will pop open wich has hapend to me in Amsterdam While shooting my fe2. IT hasnt got the double lock system on the back like for instance the f801or F100 so I only use the 'better' Nikons .Greetings from youre neighbours accros the North Sea: The Dutch.
Thanks Eelco! I’m happy you rate the FE2 over the others. On paper that is my choice too. As you say those cameras are bombproof and great performers. I love mine too :) Thanks for warning on F80 door/ locking system. Good info thanks!
I bought a couple FG's with problems, and one that was funtional. I really like them, but I got disturbed when the working FG shutter locked up during a test shooting session. So, I set it aside for other nikon cameras, rather than getting it fixed.
Sorry to hear about your Nikon FG experience. If you are a Nikon shooter it might be off topic for you but watch tomorrow's video and I think you will be able to relate on this.
@@ianlewis8086fast shutter speed or stop down and you’ll be fine. If you like manual focus lenses see some of my lens reviews for amazing Nikkor lemses
I’m having trouble getting used to my F6 auto focus. Shooting the 55 1.4. If you back button focus and recomposed the shutter button recognizes that it’s slightly out and won’t release the shutter…. So I’m not sold 0n shutting off that feature yet. Just not sure how to nail the eye in the best settings yet???
I managed to get an N80 at essentially bargain price (25$) before it went 60-80$ here. the sweet thing is that it's pretty much brand spanking new, only having particles of dust and the sticky rubber situation from lack of use.
@@samskordi6079 using some alcohol (recommending to use 99% IPA) and some tissues, rubbed it till its mostly gone. After some use the stickiness went away
Hey really love your content this is amazing. What is your preferred editing software you use for filmmaking, I'd love to have a conversation and maybe even collaborate on different ways in telling stories through video !
The F80 was very popular in its day with the more serious amateur iwho could not stretch to the F100. I believe the F80:body was also the basis of the D100 and a couple of other manufacturer's offerings including Sony. I thoroughly enjoyed mine and still have it although I've not used it in a long time. Maybe it's time to give it an outing.
I need an adjustable diopter can you suggest what film camera? I have. F70 and 28-70mm AFs lens but could start again with lenses. I think you can buy an add-on to the viewfinder with Nikon camera. Any tips I'd be grateful.
Hi Jennifer, F100 has adjustable diopter and is a nicely built camera. You can get add on finders for the F80 but from my experience they don't work as well.. I struggled to get one that works for my eyes and I bought 2.
Thanks sorry for my late reply. I believe AF-P lenses are similar to VR lenses? (P for pulse motor), I've not tried them on the F80 and believe they can work but not fully functional, metering/ VR etc.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom don’t worry about the late reply! I should apologize too ahaha I just bought a 24-120 f4 for my digital one and works perfectly also on the F80. Can’t wait to see the results!
I own an F100 and love it, however, the film door latch is made out of plastic, which after a while, tends to break. I do not know if the F80 has the same problem.
I always hated the ergonomics and finder of the F80 and like the F90X a lot more although it feels not like a true Nikon (more plasticy and cheap) but it has a nice finder and a pretty good feature set. The shutter units also seem to fail a lot more on these cheaper Nikons compared to lets say a F4 or F5.
Way cool choices. I chose F100 for its modern tech for everyday carry. I've had the F801 (baby F4 & the F90X repleced it. F80 & its S or D data back is a cool deal. W/ S printing between frames , D in feame only most womt mateix MF non CPU lens except F5 & F6. Or cant mount NAi except modded F5. Should b fime of u have other camers for that. (:
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom No...I also use it a lot with AF lenses such as the Tokina 100 AT-X Pro 2.8 D. For the MF camera I use the Fujica GS645 Pro. I'm in love with that camera ;-)
Think the n65/55 is lighter but apparently has plastic lens mount and dim viewfinder. Also discovered the Minolta x-9 which is a x300 with dof preview and aperture indicator in the viewfinder 👍 Also if you ever do that Nikon 50mm comparison, would be interesting to see the 55mm micro in there as well
Thanks George! I plastic lens mount sounds a little scary :) Thanks about the X300 - I like mine. I can confirm now without even looking, the 55mm will absolutely smash almost all Nikon 50mm lenses no question. I use if for good reason. Nice weight too but if I want a tiny setup I will take the pancake. The 55mm deserves it's own video :) 60mm also good if you want AF. (see my Flickr)
I have both an F80 and F100 and generally agree with your conclusions. However, you left out some points worth mentioning: For the F80, other pros include a quieter shutter and a better door latch than the F100. Both have plastic latches, but due to the design, the F100's is more prone to breaking. If it does, replacement doors run $100USD + on eBay. The F80 also isn't limited to the hard-to-find CR123A batteries. The super cheap and light MB-16 grip allows using AA batteries, plus adds a bit more to the smallish camera to hold onto. Negatives for the F100 (aside from the weak door latch), is the weak rewind prong in early models. It was corrected in later versions, but advising prospective buyers to avoid the older version (or at least pay less for it) is probably a good idea. And no review of either camera would be complete without mentioning the annoying numeric Custom Settings Menus, which have no description of what the menu number is. One either has to rely on memory, or carry around a cross-reference sheet in print or on a phone. Finally, as both a film and Leica enthusiast, I really love your videos. You're obviously experienced and very knowledgeable. However, I don't mean to be pedantic, but why then do you not know that 1/1000 of a second is stated as "one one thousandth of a second" and not "one over one thousand" of a second?" It's not colloquial or just another way of saying it. It's simply incorrect.
Thanks Tom, great points thanks for sharing. Sorry I thought 1 over 1000 was just an easier way to say 1/1000 for those listening. Thanks for explaining.
Nikon N/F75: 380g without lens, film, or batteries Nikon N/F70: 585g without lens, film, or batteries Nikon N/F65: 395g without lens, film, or batteries Nikon N/F60: 575g without lens, film, or batteries Nikon N/F55: 350g without lens, film, or batteries
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom, no problem. I had a Nikon N70 in the late 1990s. The UI was a little awkward at times, but otherwise a usable camera. If people are looking at buying Nikon film cameras from this era, it's important to check to see how they function with the lenses they have or are planning on buying. For instance, the F/N80 you reviewed supports VR lenses. The F/N70 does not. The auto focus will still work, but not the image stabilization. The F/N80 is not supposed to meter with AI/AIS manual focus lenses, but the F/N70 does. I know some dislike Ken Rockwell, but his Nikon lens compatibility page is quite helpful for those looking at buying older Nikon cameras. www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I am kind of thinking the D300 which is the slightly less featured version of the D700, same as the F80 is the little brother to the F100. Just looking for smaller, lighter, grab and go versions of my favorites, the F100/F5 and the D700. Really enjoying all of your content
@@anthonymiller8979 thanks yes the entry level Nikons are very small and light from those I’ve seen. I’m not up to speed on the different models though.
@@donovanchin i'm not a true P&S shooter as I like full manual controls but I love to have a small camera to carry (like you). Those are often the occasions when you find the best pictures! :)
Coincidentally, just got mine a couple days ago. Given the bells and whistles this camera has, it's very good value for the money. Prices are getting up because people are starting to notice these type of cameras, especially when the 'classic' style cameras are already sky high by now. It has one (or two) weak point though, the back door and battery cover latch is made of brittle plastic, which is well known to break without notice. Mine has broken back door latch (which is why I got it for less price than three rolls of portras), a simple duct-tape engineering fixes this issue, but I may look for another, more elegant solution. Otherwise, it is a very nice and capable little camera.
Yes agree on weak points, the door especially.. I should of mentioned it in the video. I like your tape approach.. perfect user camera yet gives the same photos :)
Hey Calvin, was it you who kindly recommended it to me? If yes thank you very much! I've not really tried it yet due to lockdown but I do listen to what you guys tell me :)
I still have my n80, bought brand new when they came out. It's a tough little camera, mine still works except the flash. If I remember right there's a custom setting that leaves the leader out. Battery life is pretty good, always kept an extra set in my pocket in cold weather.
Thanks Ryan.. I'm so used to my simple vintage cameras custom menus..or any menus on a film camera are a bit alien to me but that sounds promising so I will have to check it. Many thanks!
I own the F75, also the F80 since it was released. The F80 however, suffers from detoriating adhaesive inside the artificial leather, and therefore becomes heavily sticky. I've used so far three (3!) F80/N80, and all become *very* sticky, which is a mess. Never had this issue with the F75. It happens with the backside of the F100 also...not that much, but i've handled some sticky F100...so that is a bad thing. The good thing is with the F80/N80: Autofocus. Bad things are that sticky body, and all plasticky build quality. I prefer to handle my Film SLRs, which are made out of metal, being not sticky, so that your hand is basically somehow "glued" to the camera, and working flawlessly since decades - gear from the late 60's to 80's. ;)
@@marcp.1752 sorry Marc, yes agreed. I don’t own a house but I do have some expensive cameras. Priorities are messed up! :) I like film cameras as if can save up the money to get one it will hold its value or go up usually. I spend nothing on anything except cameras.
Thanks! The F801s reminds me more of my F4. The F4 has served me well and taken some great photos but I was looking at smaller lighter options for overseas trips etc.
Nice! Yes the F100 is "cool" so the price is much higher. Both take the same photos so smart people buy the F80 if on a budget :) I like the older bodies even more, FG-20 etc.
Ah so if you are going to use an AI lens on the F80 you need to use a lightmeter? I purchased a 105mm f2.8 AI and I wanted to use it on a Nikon body so I was looking on buying an F80 as it is kinda cheap.
there's also cheap but less advanced f801, and more new and "amateurish" f65, f75, which you can find for like $30; and also pretty affordable f90, which uses AA batteries (ebay prices varies from normal $30-50 to ridiculous)
Thanks John! Prices like that seem insane to me haha.. the batteries and a few rolls of nice film will cost the same! I have a soft spot for the manual focus bodies like the FG-20 I reviewed + the classics FE/FM/FE2/FM2. Those are still my go to bodies.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom my main concern is focusing on those older cameras (which I can't find at affordable for me price in my region anyways). I can zoom and focus on mirrorless at least. And those newer plastic cameras has focus confirmation and sometimes even really advanced features such as freeze-focus - shutter won't release if image isn't in focus, and it works with manual lens also. And I really hope that aperture and metering will work fine with my Voigtlander 58 1.4 since it has a chip. Upd. I'd bought f65 or f75, but they require CR2 batteries, and as you mentioned it's not only pricier, but in remote regions of Russia it's really hard to find, AA on the other hand is everywhere (AAA as well, but not to the extend of AA).
@@quite1enough hi John, yes it sounds less easy in your area. Try to get an AA battery grip if you use the camera enough. If not regular batteries occasionally are cheaper than a grip price.
Plastic fantastic. Be gentle with the film door. The latches are at risk of breaking. My trick is I press the door in then depress the latch preventing the door from popping open. That's the stress point.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom precisely why I won't buy one. They are still fetching good money for good copies and if those latches go, it's game over because parts are very hard to come by.
It's the F100 that has the weakest door latch. The F80's is also plastic, but because it's a more rigid design, they almost never break. Also. the stickiness can be removed in 10 minutes with 99% isopropyl alcohol available at any drugstore.
Good review. I got mine at a crazy low price, because up to 4 years ago or so no one liked them. I picked up 2 more after the first one, one was for a gift, the other 2 I have with the MB-16 to use cheap batteries. The rest of your gear/videos are too rich for my blood, otherwise I'd subscribe.
F80\N80 is the sweet spot only for AF CPU lenses and his autofocus is slover then F100 and F90X/N90s!!! IMHO the real Nikon's film cameras sweet spot is Nikon N90s/F90x!
Ha sorry Joe, I know more people know the F100 so I was trying to use it as a simple comparison for people to relate to! :) Both will take identical photos.
People don't realize that these unloved plastic 90's cameras have advanced metering, specs, AF, lens compatibility, better practically and usability compared to classic 70's SLRs and yet they cost next to nothing.
exactly. some of these cameras (including F100) can get a sticky outer covering where you place your hands. Internet searches suggest solutions to cleaning it up. I love the diopter adjustment of both F100 and F80, but especially like the custom option of "GRID" that can be electronically displayed in the view finder. It helps me keep the shot horizontal, if that is what I want.
@@Funktrainer When reliability is a necessity, and extreme weight of F5 is manageable, good idea. The weight penalty of a Heavy F5 is no different than carrying 3 plastic cameras (so as to have reliability) can be justified. But, if I want to have something always with me, such as when on a bike ride, I'll opt for something simple and in-expensive to replace. It could be stolen, I could fall or crash, and I would think much about a cheap lost camera. I have an OLYMPUS RC for just such occasions. This is an always-carry camera, with an external meter (from Reveni Labs) attached at the hot shoe. I think I would miss a stolen meter, though :(
@@Funktrainer Even with an in-operable meter, the simple sunny-16 rule will suffice quite well. Silver-based film is forgiving. A broken meter brings the price on a used camera down, It is less painful to loose such a camera.
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I recently purchased F80, shooting first trial roll of film with it. Mine came with the extra battery grip that holds cheap AA batteries. With this grip makes camera fit perfectly in my large hands, so very comfortable to hold. Lovely camera with all the controls familiar from using a Nikon DSLR, and my G lenses fit on with VR also working.
Thanks Geoffrey and sorry for my delayed reply. Yes the F80 is a perfect bridge from digital and can use the same glass as you say! Great work getting the AA grip! See my FG-20 video as I got the grip for that and love it! :)
Far cheaper to buy batteries for it with that grip, as well. With it you can avoid having to purchase the more expensive CR123A batteries.
In 2011 when they were trying to give film cameras away, I paid $20 bucks Canadian for a F80. It was in perfect condition and I still have it..
Perfect timing! I got into film around 2013 so I was lucky with that too.. It was just starting to get cool but prices were much lower than now.
Hello Matt: I just purchased a pristine and only slightly used N80 from a small camera store near me in New Jersey. I paid a great $79 for it. I had an N80 in the past that broke beyond economical repair, so finding this clean body was a real thrill. I also put the MB-16 battery grip on it as well. I have been shooting B&W film exclusively with it to include ILFORD HP-2 Super. You did a great comparison here. Well done!
Thanks Paul, what a great price!! Congrats
I went even smaller when I decided to dive back into film. I picked up a N6006 and paired it with a 28-70 3.5-4.5D. I find it the perfect combo when I want to go out and shoot 35mm and not lug around a lot of gear. I love the F100 though, works with all my Nikon glass. One advantage I do see that the N80 has over the F100 is the manual cable release. The F100 I have to dig out my release for the D850. There is something to be said about simplicity.
Nice! Yes sorry I should have mentioned the cable release! Yes the F100 is a keeper but I will stick to small MF bodies I think for my travel setup. I just ordered the 28-50mm f3.5! :)
I had an F80 and absolutely loved it. I travelled around South East Asia with it, shot lots before college, through college and university photography degree with it too.
Great! I liked the ease of use but I prefer MF so switched back to my older Nikon bodies.
I have an N80 and an F100. Something I think you missed- for eyeglass wearers, the N80 viewfinder is good, the F100 is outstanding. All the frame edges visible without having to peek around. Full info along the bottom of the viewfinder frame, even slightly better than my F3 HP
Thanks Katie, good point yes the F100 finder is bigger. I don’t wear glasses for photography so thanks for sharing this for others.
I can actually use my F100 without my glasses on, the F80 had a cheaper viewfinder that requires me to keep my glasses on. I believe the F100 is a pentaprism while the F80 I believe is a pentamirror. Some google links say the F80 is a pentaprism, but I swear mine looks like it’s a pentamirror.
Great video. It may be more perfect than you think as some of your cons can be adjusted in custom settings - Auto rewind, auto focus assist light etc
Thank you! I ended up going back to MF older bodies, FE2 etc + more recently the FM3a (I still need to make the video!)
Another great video Matt, Ive cut my collection (much to my wife's delight) of 140 cameras down to about 25 ish using the money to fund less but more expensive film cameras, however a colleague of mine messaged me at the weekend offering me a mint Nikon F80 plus lens,,,,,,,,,,, for free, no longer required and hardly used it was his dads, never expected you to be such a Nikon guy, I never was till I saw the awesome F2 and being an engineer by trade was awestruck by its design and feel, so bought one from Japan. keep up the good videos they're great
Thanks and nice story. I Mai my use the FM3a now and not the AF cameras but yes once I found small Voigtlander glass in F mount I was hooked! I often use alongside Leica
I love my N80 Matt. I use it for street photography in inclement weather. You can use it with one hand, and hold an umbrella in the other.
Great idea Richard and a top tip! I'm so used to needing 2 hands with most of my cameras I never think to using an umbrella. Thanks!
My wife bought me the camera way back in the day... However, I only ran a roll or two through it and then bought my first digital... In the last year I have gone back to shooting film and have rediscovered this camera... It is simply great!!! I can use all my lenses and get amazing film photos... I highly recommend it for anyone just looking for a carry around film camera!!!
Hi David, thanks for sharing! Great story and hopefully it will inspire others!
I love the N80. It's so light and I really like all the automation. The auto focus and matrix metering work great. The N80 is frequently sold with a very light 28-80mm G lens and I love that lens also. When the results on film are important to me the N80 is the camera I use.
Thanks Theo and good tip on the 28-80 G, I will have to check thanks!
The Nikon f100 was a wonderful camera. It retailed at about £895 At the time. You have got the cheaper of the two model. Why two models , I am afraid you appeared to have the first model. That was very heavy on batteries . Expect to get about four rolls of film per set of AA batteries. The later version with built n battery box was of course a lot better, but was a bit dearer at £1050! If I remember, and yes I did own the earlier version
@@christopherminnerly1133 thanks Christopher, great info! I use rechargeable AA in the F100 so that doesn’t worry me but equally good to know if I am travelling so thank you!
The 28-80G is *best* being used at F5.6-F13 aperture, only.
But then, it's good enough for the task.
Pro's
very light & small
weights almost nothing
if one is lucky, you can buy it for peanuts,
often is a *free* kitlens with a F65/F75 & F80.
28-80 "G" lens is minimal sharper, better than both older 28-80/3.5-5.6
smaller than the previous 28-80 I & II generation
Con's
very simple lens design
some distortion @28mm
avoid F3.5-4.5 apertures, too soft, also corner sharpness
mediocre, way cheapskate build quality.
Nikon FG was my first film camera purchase, which I bought (supposed to be for prop use only) from fb marketplace for $30 CAD ($22 USD) and it came with 3 lenses (one of which is the awesome Vivitar 28mm f/2.0). I still love it for the very same reasons you listed. Bonus feature: TTL Flash works! At least with an SB-600...
Finally pulled the trigger on an F80, thanks to this video!
Great stuff! I own 2 FG-20s and love their small size. The F80 is great value if you want AF.
I bought a Nikon N80 a few years ago specifically to be able to bring it to a (no professional cameras allowed) concert. It was Queen with Adam Lambert. The camera served its purpose brilliantly in combination with an AF Nikkor 85 1.8D, although at the concert I only used manual focus. Shots came out lovely. After the concert I even did a photo shoot with it but to me the autofocus in dim light situations lacked a little in comparison to my F100 but that’s to be expected. Naturally, like an idiot I sold it. Fast forward a few years and I shoot street a lot more and now I’ve come to the conclusion it would be a great companion out on the streets with my Tamron 45 1.8. Needless to say I will repurchase another copy. Great little cameras. Cool video Matt, cool channel!
Great idea! Smart thinking! I have since sold mine but only because I’m a sucker for small MF bodies, FE2, FM2 etc (recommended if you shoot MF too)(see that video!)
So in dim lighting, you're saying the F100 performs better in autofocus even though the F80 has that light that flashes for focus assist (the F100 doesn't have that)...🤔
@@eladbari Yes! That’s exactly what I’m saying. The F100 has the Cam 1300 autofocus module which is superior the the F80/N80’s Cam 900 module. The F100 shares the F5’s module! So within the same EV range of 0-21 which both cameras have the F100 will outperform the N80. In addition to that I can mount my SB-600 on my F100 for AF focus assist which is also a light so all things considered, yes, the F100 is superior. I’ve owned both cameras!
Hello, I just came here from your blog that I enjoyed very much! Great info, too! Thank you and glad to have found your YT channel as well.
Thanks Paul, I appreciate you checking out the blog and channel! 200+ videos here if you are bored over Christmas! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hah, hah. I live alone, so I'll be doing a lot of "catching up" over the Christmas holidays, Matt. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
@@paulconnors2078 thanks Paul, you too!
I put a f2.8, 135mm AI on my F80 and was able to manually focus with the in-screen green light. It was a sunny day and my portraits on Ilford FP4 Plus turned out great. The combo camera/lens was great.
Thanks Joe! I have the same lens. Amazing for portraits!
I brought a chrome F80 when they first came out all those years ago. It was my first AF Nikon. It turned out to be one of Nikon's very last non-pro level film cameras I believe..It came with an excellent fast focus AF-D 28-80mm which I still use to this day with my FE (Manual focus only) & D750. You just can't beat Nikon when it comes to older lens capability😎
Thanks Marky! Sorry for my late answer. I will do more Nikon vids when I get chance. yes I like my MF Nikons especially - FG20 (see video) and like you the FE + FM series. :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaComLook forward to that as a lifelong Nikon fan👍 Their F-mount is a legend. It's a shame they are moving to the Z-mount with their new mirrorless SLRs, which don't have anything like the backwards compatibility with the FTZ adapter...However I can understand why they are doing this if they are going to remain in the camera business at all..It just makes me smile how easy Nikon has made it to mix & match high quality older lenses with newer cameras over the years thanks to that F-mount..
@@markymark3572 yes well said. I’m a rangefinder boy now but I still have a lot of Nikon gear. My first was D90, D700 and still have D800 + 8 film bodies and all the lenses. I’ll do some Nikon glass vids in the future (more of). 200 f2 etc :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom That will be great, must admit I have been having a close look at the F4S at the moment...It's one of the used bargains of the century right now. It was such a massive leap forward for SLR's when launched, first pro camera with AF, first with a built-in motor drive, first with modern matrix metering etc...& it was the last Nikon pro SLR to have traditional dials too..So it has a lot going for it I think😎
Matt I got my F100 on Ebay from Japan mint condition boxed with grip, shutter release, a second focus screen the grid one, one of the pro straps and the rubber eyecup all for 🥁 £275 that included 3 day shipping with DHL and tax.
Wow that’s crazy good!
Only thing the cameras below F100 lack for my needs would be setting exposure in thirds of a stop for transparency film. And what F100 lacks compared to the pro cameras is Mirror Lockup for slow shutter speeds with long lenses from a tripod.
Thanks. Great easy camera for AF but I went back to the older MF bodies, FMs/FEs.
The N80 is another sleeper of a camera. I’ve also owned mine since new; it was actually my wife’s travel camera way back when.
An excellent backup autofocus body. I use it with a grip which gives it a little more weight and stability, while also allowing the use AA batteries.
The N80 shutter, to my ear, sounds so much more damped than the top tier autofocus bodies of the era from Nikon.
Thanks yes agreed about being a sleeper! Yes I think the grip with AAs would work well if shooting a lot of film. I like the FG-20 grip - shown in that video.
Nikon was the brand I started with, N5005! Back in secondary school. When I got back into photography a few years ago I purchased an F3 HP which I love. Now my Nikons have spawned into a bit of a collection. Nikon F3, F2, FE, F100, F601 along with some pretty decent glass. For years I identified as a Nikon shooter. Now I rely on Sony for digital although I still shoot my old D200. Leica M3 gets more shoot time than the F3 now. For me, they are all different brushes. Oh so yes please review your favorite Nikkor AI lenses!!
Hey Louis, thanks! I'm with you on the spawning cameras issue haha! Great to hear you have an M3 as a "Nikon-Sony" guy! Great choice! Yes I will try to do some of my favourite Nikon lenses this year. Stay tuned! :)
I've got the N80 version. I put my 50mm 1.8G AF-S on it produced some sweet images. I also have the FG with a 50mm ais. Nice little camera. Subbed 📸👍
Thanks Bert! Yes nice lens! The next video is Nikon 50s so you might like it! :) ..especially for your FG ;) Yes love the FG series cameras! :)
Since I have a couple of Ai and Ai-s lenses, I got the F100. I like it a lot.
Thanks great choice and a great example of how doing your research pays off! :) Yes the F100 is a solid camera and being able to use AI/AIS lenses I will probably use that more of these 2 cameras.
Hi Matt,
I did get a F90X some time ago to use beside my F, F2, F2a and F3p, and must say it is a joy, did get it for 50 euro in great shape (no sticky back) and for 50 euro a 50mm f1.8 and 100 euro a 28 f2.0 AF. So cheapo a nice start set for AF.
The AF is faster as I did think and like the fact it has spot metering.
Also a great cheap alternative on the F100
Hey thanks for sharing (and sorry for my late answer). Yes that sounds like another great low price Nikon body! Thanks!
Yep, my fave knock-around Nikon is an N70. Small, light, Matrix meter and built-in flash. Only thing I wish is it had double exposure capability. Thing with these bodies is a nylon gear eventually wears and you get wonky film advance. But at $20 each, easy to replace.
Their weird fan-shaped menu got panned by the press but I think it’s very well laid out and super quick to navigate once you commit to it.
Thanks sorry for the late reply! Yes i've seen similar issues with plastic/ nylon parts in other old cameras. The FG-20 won my heart of all these but i'll probably go back to the FE2 / that series after for something more solid.
No worries on tardy replies. Wait till you hit 1 mil subs, ha ha!
@@gottanikoncamera thanks mate.. haha I’ve only thought as far as 10k so far but 1mil would be living the dream ha!
Hello, i remember there is an option in the F100 to rewind leaving the leader out. I remember setting it up when i had a F100. The F80 being "prosumer" might have a similar option
Thanks, yes I heard this about other Nikons
Nikon ‘s F80 body chassis was used for Nikon and Fuji’s digital APSC cameras: D100, D200, S2 etc... The F80 viewfinder is the only complaint I have with it. When your used to using the F100 or F5 viewfinder then try the F80 it’s smaller and dimmer. Otherwise it’s a great camera. A mini F100.
Thanks Ryan, great info! I need to compare the finder to the others now.. I didn’t notice an issue but I only used an AF Leon’s so didn’t really need to see I guess!
Hi Matt! Quite old this video 😅... I use the battery grip on my F100 and always put Energizer Lithium AA. Very light and I can use the F100 for at least two years.... didn't count the 36 films...
Great tip thanks!
i had a fm10 and two weeks ago i changed it for a N80, paired with a 50mm 1.4d i love it
Congrats! Yes the N80 is a nice little camera :)
I've cycled through Nikon AFs F80, F100, F4, and back to the F80. IMHO the F80 is my fav, it's by far cheapest, quietest, lightest, built in diopter, frame lines on demand, built in fill flash. Yes it's a plastic fantastic joy to shoot.
Thanks Robert! I have the F4 too so I hear you! If I didn't love MF Nikon cameras so much the F80 would be a keeper.
BTW, your compositions are really good.
you are a natural as a photographer.
Thanks! I guess i'm lucky.. I just see it automatically in my head somehow.. i'm not saying it's right but it seems to work for me.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I'm sure you have trained your eye over time. Watching old black and white movies, thumbing through magazines can form a sense for what appeals (although, in a way, those magazine images are actually programing us as the readers a bit as well. Chicken / egg thing)
If you ever want to get tripped out about the power of advertising images, find Jean Kilbourne's "Killing Us Softly: Advertising's Image of Women". When I first watched it, I almost threw up from the experience. I can be sensitive to callousness shown to individuals' psyche. It is a bit like "The Stepford Wives" mentality, steamrolling over people for profit.
@@Garacha222 Thanks, I’m
Not much of a magazine reader, the last time I bought one was when I used to write articles for UK photo mags. I think I’ve just shot so many models in the last 10 years I just do it on autopilot now. Composition wise..
Very good vid, thanks Matt. Help me out with something here please (you may have a video on it). Why are people still using film in 2022?
For context, my first camera was a Pentax K1000, and I loved it. I upgraded to the Pentax MG, and I loved it. I now mix between Nikon D600 and D3400, both fantastic cameras. I don't know why anyone would go back to film. What am I missing?
Hi Lou, yes see my video why do I still shoot digital. It covers the same topic :)
At the turn of the Millenium, the F100 was $995 USD from B&H. I remember because I bought two. It is a Nikon Pro camera. Besides superior build quality the round viewfinder port is a quick way to tell between Nikon pro and consumer level camera.
Thanks JK good info, thanks for sharing that. I bought the D800 on pre-order at the time it came out and used it with a D700 before I went to Leica. I still enjoy Nikon SLRs and the F100 is a keeper I think.
That's so funny Matt. I just picked up the N80 for $35! It was my first Nikon I bought in 1999. so light and compact
Ah congrats Daniel! Great price too. almost too cheap not to buy ha :)
My friend had an F80 after seeing my F75 which I bought for £45 10 years ago. It uses my Nikon Sb600 Speedlight with all the functions.
I use it with a Huonghu 35mm F2 af lens. A super lightweight combination. Expensive on batteries and it winds the film backwards which makes a nonsense of your frame numbering.
Hi Neil. thanks! I will have to check those out too! So many Nikons ha :) Yes my Xpan winds find backwards. It is annoying!
I like the N80 for my D lenses. I actually have two of them. Just be cautious with the rear latch with these. They will snap off if you just let them slap closed.
Thank you Luis! I will be honest, once I discovered the FG-20 I sold the F80.
I bought a F80 brand new for 1000 dollars back around year 2000, still got it and its almost like new
Great! I use older models now like FM / FE series but they are all nice.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I also use an FE
Hi Matt, great review!! I got the F100 F80 F801 F3 and the FE2 . Love all of them. But only one of them I do still use on a regurly basis .That's the FE2 ( witch is just perfect in therms of Weight, usability, durability, seize and it takes only two lr44 bateries that will last forever. I just looove the simplicity this little jewel. The F80 is a really good camera youre right; but I am always afraid that's the back door Will pop open wich has hapend to me in Amsterdam While shooting my fe2. IT hasnt got the double lock system on the back like for instance the f801or F100 so I only use the 'better' Nikons .Greetings from youre neighbours accros the North Sea: The Dutch.
Thanks Eelco! I’m happy you rate the FE2 over the others. On paper that is my choice too. As you say those cameras are bombproof and great performers. I love mine too :) Thanks for warning on F80 door/ locking system. Good info thanks!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom looking forward tot youre next review Matt!!
I bought a couple FG's with problems, and one that was funtional. I really like them, but I got disturbed when the working FG shutter locked up during a test shooting session.
So, I set it aside for other nikon cameras, rather than getting it fixed.
Sorry to hear about your Nikon FG experience. If you are a Nikon shooter it might be off topic for you but watch tomorrow's video and I think you will be able to relate on this.
I've had the N80 for about a year. My first film camera since a Ricoh back in the late 70s early 80s. I love it.
Congrats Ian! A lot of camera for the money 👍🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I'm out with it today but it is very sunny. 1 Tri X and 1 HP5. I'm optimistic
@@ianlewis8086fast shutter speed or stop down and you’ll be fine. If you like manual focus lenses see some of my lens reviews for amazing Nikkor lemses
I’m having trouble getting used to my F6 auto focus. Shooting the 55 1.4. If you back button focus and recomposed the shutter button recognizes that it’s slightly out and won’t release the shutter…. So I’m not sold 0n shutting off that feature yet. Just not sure how to nail the eye in the best settings yet???
Hi Jim, yes it’s very easy to miss focus on fast lenses on SLRs. I have a poor hit rate vs Leica RF focusing.
The 50mm 1.8G works on the f80 and f100? You can select the aperture from the body?
Yes Francis, I used the 50 G on my cameras no issues.
I managed to get an N80 at essentially bargain price (25$) before it went 60-80$ here. the sweet thing is that it's pretty much brand spanking new, only having particles of dust and the sticky rubber situation from lack of use.
Wow that is crazy cheap! A UV filter for the lens can cost more than that haha. Good work!
Is there a way of clearing the sticky rubber?
@@samskordi6079 using some alcohol (recommending to use 99% IPA) and some tissues, rubbed it till its mostly gone. After some use the stickiness went away
Hey really love your content this is amazing. What is your preferred editing software you use for filmmaking, I'd love to have a conversation and maybe even collaborate on different ways in telling stories through video !
Hi I use my iPad so I use the basic LumaFusion SW. Works great for my needs. I stopped using Adobe.
The MB-16 battery grip allows for the use of 4 AA batteries.
Thanks Paul!
The F80 was very popular in its day with the more serious amateur iwho could not stretch to the F100. I believe the F80:body was also the basis of the D100 and a couple of other manufacturer's offerings including Sony. I thoroughly enjoyed mine and still have it although I've not used it in a long time. Maybe it's time to give it an outing.
Thanks Kevin, yes it's always time to give a film camera an outing :)
one of the best cameras I have ever used
A lot for the money for sure but I went back to full manual earlier Nikon cameras
Thank you. Please make a review for Nikon F100.
Thanks Jose, I will, lockdown is slowing progress but it will come. Stay tuned! :)
I just picked up a N80 (us version of F80) for $20. Mint condition. Big plus….1/4000th shutter speed.
Amazing price congrats!
I need an adjustable diopter can you suggest what film camera? I have. F70 and 28-70mm AFs lens but could start again with lenses. I think you can buy an add-on to the viewfinder with Nikon camera. Any tips I'd be grateful.
Hi Jennifer, F100 has adjustable diopter and is a nicely built camera. You can get add on finders for the F80 but from my experience they don't work as well.. I struggled to get one that works for my eyes and I bought 2.
I bought a Nikon F100. So I can use all my Nikon lenses . Could you please review ? Thanks for this video
Thanks, good choice! I will yes I just want to shoot with it more first. Stay tuned! :)
I have 2 of them, and one with a battery grip. And it holds 4 AA batteries 👌🏻
Nice! Great value cameras!
Is there a way to clear up the sticky rubber back? It works but the rubber is very sticky
Thanks Sam, yes Google it you will find methods to clean it no problem.
Nice video! Do the AF-P lenses work well on this camera?
Thanks sorry for my late reply. I believe AF-P lenses are similar to VR lenses? (P for pulse motor), I've not tried them on the F80 and believe they can work but not fully functional, metering/ VR etc.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom don’t worry about the late reply! I should apologize too ahaha I just bought a 24-120 f4 for my digital one and works perfectly also on the F80. Can’t wait to see the results!
@@rafaelocean7695 congrats on the zoom lens! I just bought a Leica R zoom lens so I might do a video on zooms sometime :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom of course you should! Can’t wait!! :)
According to Nikon, AF-P lenses are not compatible with film SLRs.
I own an F100 and love it, however, the film door latch is made out of plastic, which after a while, tends to break. I do not know if the F80 has the same problem.
Thanks good point. Yes sadly the F80 has the same problem.
I always hated the ergonomics and finder of the F80 and like the F90X a lot more although it feels not like a true Nikon (more plasticy and cheap) but it has a nice finder and a pretty good feature set. The shutter units also seem to fail a lot more on these cheaper Nikons compared to lets say a F4 or F5.
Thanks yes the F100 is certainly more solid. I have nothing against the finder but interesting to hear about the F90X, thanks!
Way cool choices. I chose F100 for its modern tech for everyday carry. I've had the F801 (baby F4 & the F90X repleced it. F80 & its S or D data back is a cool deal. W/ S printing between frames , D in feame only most womt mateix MF non CPU lens except F5 & F6. Or cant mount NAi except modded F5. Should b fime of u have other camers for that. (:
Thanks! Yes great value camera!
Hi Matt, what film did you use for your shoots?
Hi if you see my Flickr - search my name or MrLeica, I detail on every image. These were Ilford Pan 400 and Kodak XX
I love my F100 with the 28mm Ais.... such a nice couple!
Nice! Are you not tempted to get a MF Nikon if you don't need AF and the battery weight? FM2?
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom No...I also use it a lot with AF lenses such as the Tokina 100 AT-X Pro 2.8 D. For the MF camera I use the Fujica GS645 Pro. I'm in love with that camera ;-)
@@JaapKroon excellent choices!! I use the 100mm and the GS645 :) I may review the 100mm at some point. Great lens.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Super lens and that review would be really nice. Looking forward.
Think the n65/55 is lighter but apparently has plastic lens mount and dim viewfinder. Also discovered the Minolta x-9 which is a x300 with dof preview and aperture indicator in the viewfinder 👍
Also if you ever do that Nikon 50mm comparison, would be interesting to see the 55mm micro in there as well
Thanks George! I plastic lens mount sounds a little scary :) Thanks about the X300 - I like mine. I can confirm now without even looking, the 55mm will absolutely smash almost all Nikon 50mm lenses no question. I use if for good reason. Nice weight too but if I want a tiny setup I will take the pancake. The 55mm deserves it's own video :) 60mm also good if you want AF. (see my Flickr)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom well I’m even happier I have one in the post now!
@@georgebirddrums ha congrats! You will love it 😊
I have both an F80 and F100 and generally agree with your conclusions. However, you left out some points worth mentioning:
For the F80, other pros include a quieter shutter and a better door latch than the F100. Both have plastic latches, but due to the design, the F100's is more prone to breaking. If it does, replacement doors run $100USD + on eBay.
The F80 also isn't limited to the hard-to-find CR123A batteries. The super cheap and light MB-16 grip allows using AA batteries, plus adds a bit more to the smallish camera to hold onto.
Negatives for the F100 (aside from the weak door latch), is the weak rewind prong in early models. It was corrected in later versions, but advising prospective buyers to avoid the older version (or at least pay less for it) is probably a good idea.
And no review of either camera would be complete without mentioning the annoying numeric Custom Settings Menus, which have no description of what the menu number is. One either has to rely on memory, or carry around a cross-reference sheet in print or on a phone.
Finally, as both a film and Leica enthusiast, I really love your videos. You're obviously experienced and very knowledgeable. However, I don't mean to be pedantic, but why then do you not know that 1/1000 of a second is stated as "one one thousandth of a second" and not "one over one thousand" of a second?" It's not colloquial or just another way of saying it. It's simply incorrect.
Thanks Tom, great points thanks for sharing. Sorry I thought 1 over 1000 was just an easier way to say 1/1000 for those listening. Thanks for explaining.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Any time! :-)
I heard that the F100 isn’t weather sealed? Can you confirm?
Hi Andy, I checked to be 100% and yes Google says ""extensive weather sealing"
Nikon N/F75: 380g without lens, film, or batteries
Nikon N/F70: 585g without lens, film, or batteries
Nikon N/F65: 395g without lens, film, or batteries
Nikon N/F60: 575g without lens, film, or batteries
Nikon N/F55: 350g without lens, film, or batteries
Thanks Michael! You’re the man! Hmm now I might have to try one of those ha :) Thank you 🙏🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom, no problem. I had a Nikon N70 in the late 1990s. The UI was a little awkward at times, but otherwise a usable camera.
If people are looking at buying Nikon film cameras from this era, it's important to check to see how they function with the lenses they have or are planning on buying. For instance, the F/N80 you reviewed supports VR lenses. The F/N70 does not. The auto focus will still work, but not the image stabilization. The F/N80 is not supposed to meter with AI/AIS manual focus lenses, but the F/N70 does.
I know some dislike Ken Rockwell, but his Nikon lens compatibility page is quite helpful for those looking at buying older Nikon cameras. www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm
Still waiting for the one on the F100, a "forgoten" classic, the last prosumer film camera by Nikon
Thanks Jose, sorry lack of models during lockdown is delaying a lot of videos but it will come once we’re allowed out again, thanks!
So what would be the old digital equivalent to the F80 ? I see the D700 as the digital equivalent of the F100/F4/F5 models.
Great question! I’m less up to speed on digital but I would say the small light entry level cameras. Is that the D3000 series?
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I am kind of thinking the D300 which is the slightly less featured version of the D700, same as the F80 is the little brother to the F100. Just looking for smaller, lighter, grab and go versions of my favorites, the F100/F5 and the D700. Really enjoying all of your content
@@anthonymiller8979 thanks yes the entry level Nikons are very small and light from those I’ve seen. I’m not up to speed on the different models though.
My only issue with the F80/N80 is how small the viewfinder is. Besides that it’s a fine camera.
Thanks yes the F100 has a bigger finder but I like the overall cameras low weight
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom true. I also like to just throw it in my bag as my point and shoot to take anywhere
@@donovanchin i'm not a true P&S shooter as I like full manual controls but I love to have a small camera to carry (like you). Those are often the occasions when you find the best pictures! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom totally agree
Coincidentally, just got mine a couple days ago. Given the bells and whistles this camera has, it's very good value for the money. Prices are getting up because people are starting to notice these type of cameras, especially when the 'classic' style cameras are already sky high by now. It has one (or two) weak point though, the back door and battery cover latch is made of brittle plastic, which is well known to break without notice. Mine has broken back door latch (which is why I got it for less price than three rolls of portras), a simple duct-tape engineering fixes this issue, but I may look for another, more elegant solution. Otherwise, it is a very nice and capable little camera.
Yes agree on weak points, the door especially.. I should of mentioned it in the video. I like your tape approach.. perfect user camera yet gives the same photos :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom yes, basically it's point and shoot with interchangeable lens
@@satriyo796 yes I think I prefer more manual cameras but it was nice to try it.
I see you got a ais 50mm F1.8 Japan version lens. Great
Hey Calvin, was it you who kindly recommended it to me? If yes thank you very much! I've not really tried it yet due to lockdown but I do listen to what you guys tell me :)
I still have my n80, bought brand new when they came out. It's a tough little camera, mine still works except the flash. If I remember right there's a custom setting that leaves the leader out. Battery life is pretty good, always kept an extra set in my pocket in cold weather.
Thanks Ryan.. I'm so used to my simple vintage cameras custom menus..or any menus on a film camera are a bit alien to me but that sounds promising so I will have to check it. Many thanks!
I own the F75, also the F80 since it was released. The F80 however, suffers from detoriating adhaesive inside the artificial leather, and therefore becomes heavily sticky. I've used so far three (3!) F80/N80, and all become *very* sticky, which is a mess. Never had this issue with the F75. It happens with the backside of the F100 also...not that much, but i've handled some sticky F100...so that is a bad thing. The good thing is with the F80/N80: Autofocus. Bad things are that sticky body, and all plasticky build quality. I prefer to handle my Film SLRs, which are made out of metal, being not sticky, so that your hand is basically somehow "glued" to the camera, and working flawlessly since decades - gear from the late 60's to 80's. ;)
Thanks Marc! Yes agreed, I prefer the older models for sure. FM/FE series or later F4/F5. Not tried the F75 yet! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom You've missed nothing, Matt - seriously. I'd love to have a FM2 or F6. ;)
@@marcp.1752 FM2 should be easy to find cheap.. F6 less so
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Cheap is relative, Matt. For a Leica User, 400 bucks are nothing, i assume. For me, it's a lot money.
@@marcp.1752 sorry Marc, yes agreed. I don’t own a house but I do have some expensive cameras. Priorities are messed up! :) I like film cameras as if can save up the money to get one it will hold its value or go up usually. I spend nothing on anything except cameras.
While I have numerous Nikons including the F100 and F80 I prefer the Nikon F801s.
Thanks! The F801s reminds me more of my F4. The F4 has served me well and taken some great photos but I was looking at smaller lighter options for overseas trips etc.
Grabbed an f80 for 60 quid mint. Would love to have an f100 but prices are ridiculous
Nice! Yes the F100 is "cool" so the price is much higher. Both take the same photos so smart people buy the F80 if on a budget :) I like the older bodies even more, FG-20 etc.
Ah so if you are going to use an AI lens on the F80 you need to use a lightmeter? I purchased a 105mm f2.8 AI and I wanted to use it on a Nikon body so I was looking on buying an F80 as it is kinda cheap.
I think so yes. I use AI lenses on the older Nikon SLR bodies and just used F80 for cheap AF lenses
there's also cheap but less advanced f801, and more new and "amateurish" f65, f75, which you can find for like $30; and also pretty affordable f90, which uses AA batteries (ebay prices varies from normal $30-50 to ridiculous)
Thanks John! Prices like that seem insane to me haha.. the batteries and a few rolls of nice film will cost the same! I have a soft spot for the manual focus bodies like the FG-20 I reviewed + the classics FE/FM/FE2/FM2. Those are still my go to bodies.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom my main concern is focusing on those older cameras (which I can't find at affordable for me price in my region anyways). I can zoom and focus on mirrorless at least. And those newer plastic cameras has focus confirmation and sometimes even really advanced features such as freeze-focus - shutter won't release if image isn't in focus, and it works with manual lens also. And I really hope that aperture and metering will work fine with my Voigtlander 58 1.4 since it has a chip.
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I'd bought f65 or f75, but they require CR2 batteries, and as you mentioned it's not only pricier, but in remote regions of Russia it's really hard to find, AA on the other hand is everywhere (AAA as well, but not to the extend of AA).
@@quite1enough hi John, yes it sounds less easy in your area. Try to get an AA battery grip if you use the camera enough. If not regular batteries occasionally are cheaper than a grip price.
Plastic fantastic. Be gentle with the film door. The latches are at risk of breaking. My trick is I press the door in then depress the latch preventing the door from popping open. That's the stress point.
Thanks for the tip! Yes I hear it can be an issue on the F100 too.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom precisely why I won't buy one. They are still fetching good money for good copies and if those latches go, it's game over because parts are very hard to come by.
@@iodine_x thanks good tip. I prefer manual focus Nikon bodies like the FG-20 but it was nice to try it.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom nothing like a classic lever wind. I'm still considering an F3.
@@iodine_x good choice!
I had a D80 15 years ago, photographed dozens of weddings with ut
Thanks Andrew, Great - yes not too heavy either to carry all day. I will share a lens I used to use for Nikon weddings in a video to follow :)
F80 has plastic film door catches that break and most have stick rubber...where's the love for the F90?
Thanks yes the F80 was a bit too automated for me. I like my cheap FG-20 much more. I've not tried the F90 yet but F100 video still to come! :)
It's the F100 that has the weakest door latch. The F80's is also plastic, but because it's a more rigid design, they almost never break.
Also. the stickiness can be removed in 10 minutes with 99% isopropyl alcohol available at any drugstore.
Good review. I got mine at a crazy low price, because up to 4 years ago or so no one liked them. I picked up 2 more after the first one, one was for a gift, the other 2 I have with the MB-16 to use cheap batteries. The rest of your gear/videos are too rich for my blood, otherwise I'd subscribe.
Great timing for your purchases. Yes sorry I review a lot of Leica stuff but cheap lenses and vintage cameras too.
The F80 is the best bang for the buck PERIOD!
They are very cheap for sure 👍🏻
The F4 is relatively cheap and built like a tank.
Thanks Ian, yes! See my F4 vid. I have it
F80\N80 is the sweet spot only for AF CPU lenses and his autofocus is slover then F100 and F90X/N90s!!! IMHO the real Nikon's film cameras sweet spot is Nikon N90s/F90x!
Thanks! Yes I was impressed with the AF of the F80 considering the low price vs F100. I've not tried the F90x yet.. thanks!
You mention the F100 more than the F80 🤓
Ha sorry Joe, I know more people know the F100 so I was trying to use it as a simple comparison for people to relate to! :) Both will take identical photos.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom all good, I enjoyed it. I opted for the N90s due to pricing compared to the F100 myself
@@JoeLopez thanks Joe, I’ll have to check it, thanks!
People don't realize that these unloved plastic 90's cameras have advanced metering, specs, AF, lens compatibility, better practically and usability compared to classic 70's SLRs and yet they cost next to nothing.
exactly.
some of these cameras (including F100) can get a sticky outer covering where you place your hands. Internet searches suggest solutions to cleaning it up.
I love the diopter adjustment of both F100 and F80, but especially like the custom option of "GRID" that can be electronically displayed in the view finder. It helps me keep the shot horizontal, if that is what I want.
Nevertheless I would always leave that plastic junk at home and take a F2 or F5 instead.
@@Funktrainer When reliability is a necessity, and extreme weight of F5 is manageable, good idea.
The weight penalty of a Heavy F5 is no different than carrying 3 plastic cameras (so as to have reliability) can be justified.
But, if I want to have something always with me, such as when on a bike ride, I'll opt for something simple and in-expensive to replace. It could be stolen, I could fall or crash, and I would think much about a cheap lost camera.
I have an OLYMPUS RC for just such occasions. This is an always-carry camera, with an external meter (from Reveni Labs) attached at the hot shoe.
I think I would miss a stolen meter, though :(
@@Garacha222 I prefer the M4,M8,M9-P or the Rolleicord (esp. when on a bike as there‘s not much that can fail especially when bumped) for travelling.
@@Funktrainer Even with an in-operable meter, the simple sunny-16 rule will suffice quite well. Silver-based film is forgiving.
A broken meter brings the price on a used camera down, It is less painful to loose such a camera.
cant they just show the damn camera instead waving them in front of the screen?
Haha sorry I will try to hold it still next time. The latest video shows only the camera but I do normally hold it / wave it I guess.
i mean the f100 is pretty affordable.
Yes the F80 is silly cheap