Brush Designer/Artist at 11:07 here aka Vegalia👋🏾! That tutorial was for my audience since a lot of them ask how to use my brushes 😅. However, we can't control where my videos end up with the algorithm/internet. But yes, I sell loc, braid, curl, twist, etc brushes for Clip Studio Paint, Photoshop and Procreate and are enjoyed by professionals & beginners alike! I created them so drawing diverse characters would be more accessible and then when people buy them it supports me and my team to create more products and tools that positively represent POC while creating even more opportunities for artists. Thanks for sharing 💜
I think my worst mistake as a younger artist was taking art advice from random videos on the internet lol. Just using and studing my own references helped a lot better, at least for me it did
I 100% , they make sketching so complicated in these . İnstead of helping feels like waste of time . Building up muscle memory fastens the productivity way better .
@@kaoriakira2512 literally ! Like my style was stuck in a rut for years but then when I finally started using references , my style improved drastically within half a year. I literally wanna slap young artists that make the same mistakes as me 😂😂
@@Hollyse I try to use references but I end up getting distracted and scrolling through Pinterest for hours, forgetting I was going to draw something lmao But I do use references if I’m drawing a particular character or person
If it helps- I literally have almost no rhyme or reason to how I draw. Started last year on digital art and I could try to describe my technique as "Clusterfuck the lines into proportioning it and run with it."
@@GenocidalSquid same man. I'm trying to move over to digital from traditional... and I think that learning curve is taking me a little longer than it takes most people. If something I make digitally comes out good it's literally only down to luck. I'm still just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Just so you know, Vegalia, the creator @ 11:07 specifically made those brushes to help ALL artists be more diverse with their work and have more tools to draw hair. Hair for some people is hard to draw, and it’s helpful for those who have difficulty with it. She has multiple packs for locs, braids, curls, etc. So you CAN get the brush, plus you’ll be supporting a creative that did hard work to make 100+ brushes for digital artists.
Yup! And to add on, her tutorials aren't general ones, they're specifically for her brushes, they're not a catch-all tutorial for every artist in every medium. It's super helpful and personalized to working with her stuff.
@@citrus_bees exactly! No where did she say this was for any old brush. It says it at the beginning and end about her brushes. Plus she has multiple videos on it
I feel like a lot of this advice is for specific situations and was probably provided because people asked the artist how they draw a certain thing. I can definitely see the hair thing (maybe not the perspective lines) being useful for someone who's going for photorealism. These tips don't apply to every artist or every style and that's fine! There's nothing wrong with showing people how you draw something and it might even help someone
Yeah a lot of these criticisms felt off. Like yeah ofc it’s only gonna work for photorealistic drawings, that’s what that is for. Not everything in art is a cartoon.
As someone who has some knowledge of photo realism(on traditional art) I do believe that person exaggerated a bit, most of the time u wont draw only a single lock of hair, u draw multiple,time is precious.Most of the time,I see other photo realist artists only do 3 of these steps.Buts that's just me ofc!Do whatever makes u feel better👍
I think actually when I was a beginner, the more amateur or technically imperfect tutorials were by far the most helpful to me. Super skilled and experienced artists have all sorts of subtleties that even they can't really explain because it's so innate and comes with practice. I'd look at what they'd do and it would just mean nothing to me and my art. The imperfect "cheaty" tutorials that people make fun of were actually so helpful to me because they met me at my skill level and let me see how someone not light years ahead of me could make something achievable to me. Innacurate anatomy and unrealistic lighting and all.
a lot of youtube artists that say to immediately start with perspective/gesture drawing/formal training seem to forget the part where they themselves spent a decade in middle school/high school doodling or following anime tutorials. some even say "dont do what i did" i think for beginners, just becoming familiar with drawing things and getting few thousand hours in is a lot more important than construction skills
#2 was incredibly helpful. Just the 'you can do what you want with the other leg' fixed my biggest road block... Lol. Kinda mind blown that that was the answer I've been searching for for the last decade. So many art tutorials and how to draw books, trial and error, tears, and wasted materials. Just put the gd leg somewhere.
The best advice I ever got for "HOW DO YOU CHOSE A POOOOOOOOSE" was just "go watch something you like, pause randomly, and copy whatever pause you land on". People really overcomplicate posing characters with all the theory and harping on about composition, just using Rule of Cool/Cute/Pretty is enough. Also another advice I got that was important to me: You need to learn the rules, not so you can FOLLOW them, but so you can deliberately break them. (Making characters whose anatomy/ways to stand break the standard made them a LOT more lifelike and striking according to my friends.)
Hey, just so everyone knows. Those black hair brush tutorial was specifically for the brushes themselves and not for how to draw black hair! Many people were confused on how those brushes worked and could be used so they made a video for it :)
I feel like the problem with most art advise is not that is "wrong" but rather that it's very specific and teaches to young artists how to do one specific thing without really showing the fundamentals.
most of these tutorials seem to just be people who’ve just been asked how they draw in their style and shown people. most of it is more specific to a certain style than general advice and i think it’s cool that they put effort into sharing their techniques with other people who are interested.
For the loc brush guide, Vegalia gave helpful tips for those without that tool: map the scalp and draw individual locs. Style and definition is up to the artist. I'm glad you brought attention to her work, but the video is for people who are curious about the brush. Making your own is an option, though.
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My advice for drawing two eyes nicely when I started is to draw each step of each eye together. Don't just do one eye and then do the other eye. Step by step of each eye together. EX: Left eyelash, done. Then, right eyelash, done. eyelid here, eyelid opposite side. bla bla bla, until it's all done. It might not look as "wow!" as it would have been with just one eye but at least it's nearly symmetrical- That's traditional art. If it's digital, just ... copy, past, select pasted eye shape, flip horizontally and reshape tool to make it kinda good. Don't let people tell you it's cheating, if they said that, push your tablet onto them and tell them to draw both eyes without the copy paste. If it's a side profile, make the heights the same but the width different to show the angle. But this isn't really the only trick out there.
I also do that for traditional art and when I'm drawing digitally I copy and paste but my eyes are really simple so I only had a problem like this when I was starting out and doing super "realistic" drawings.
It also helps to just determine where the corner of the eyes go beforehand and if you have a pretty decent grasp of how shapes work it tends to be pretty easy from there
One thing that does bother me when people complain about eyes not being symmetrical is that they don't really look at themselves in the mirror (Ie study themselves) It's super rare for people to be perfectly symmetrical and adding asymmetry to your peices can make them look incredibly interesting and more natural. If you use photos of friends and family for references you'll easily see that!
Agree with the thoughts on most of these but the tutorial at 11:07 "how to draw locs in under 15 seconds" was showcasing how to use their particular loc and braid brushes!! Not how to draw hair just in general.
I often draw eyes without reflection. Not because I dislike it or I can't draw it, is because eyes tend to catch more attention than any other part of the body. Less detail in the eye area=more balanced drawing.
I’ve found that to be true in realism and etc. if I do an anime style, then I have to make the eyes stand out. Cool if you always feel pressured to make eyes look perfect! It’ll make you focus more on the rest of the body.
@@3thalluing339 tbh in anime I make the eyes super detailed on purpose because I want to draw the viewers attention to the eyes, and away from the body
I also noticed that naruto iris are so plain just like the uchiha clan with onyx eyes. I still find it attractive. Kishimoto is one my inspirations for my drawings. Aside from naruto, I also like fairy tail, AOT, and W.I.T.C.H series.
I think the best advice you can get for digital art is when it can be used in ANY software not everyone draws on procreate or CSP so they have all those brush libraries at hand
I don’ think there’s anything inherently wrong with people showing how they do something. Their method might work for some, and not for others. My thing with art is nothing is specifically “law” you can create it how you want. No everyone cares about realism or accuracy. If you don’t agree with their advice, just ignore it. Also at 11:07 those brushes are byvegalia, please credit her! Those brushes help so many people draw curly hair textures.
Ignoring doesn't help beginner artists that doesn't know any better and believe that those methods is what 'should' be done. It just damages or impedes their learning process.
I don't agree. Sharing advice that doesn't work is harmful to beginners, because they might not know enough and follow them. If you know that you're an amateur, feel free to share your art, but don't do art tutorials. Just because you're good enough to know it's not good advice doesn't mean everyone is. Even if you do want to make tutorials, at least tell the audience that it's just how you do it, and it might not be a good way for learners.
I completely agree! I watched tons of art tip videos as a younger artist, and it's just a matter of choosing out what works for you. Maybe some people don't get it, but that's really not the artist's fault- especially when they're badgered with questions of how they do this or that and are just answering them. I learned a lot from following the advice and seeing the processes of artists I liked.
i agree.. yall take this shit wayy too seriously.. like its fuckin art man some stuff works for one person and some stuff works for another this account pisses me off
@@serasilva8214 You're not wrong, but some beginners don't know how to choose the right advice and pretty much takes everything they learn. If you're an amateur artist claiming your advices to be a "How-to", you might not be showing a good way to draw, but beginners will listen anyway. I have a special dislike for these type of "How-to" videos, because when I was a beginner myself I experimented the same, and that really affected my art improvement, or even other views that that point (An art book I once owned claimed to not draw short hair on girls, because it makes them boring and ugly). Happy that you took the right advice as a beginner though!
I like the tips that can be used to fit anyone's style or illustration. Like the line weight, fashion dolls, and locs. The ones where it's just draw a single shiny eye or tuft of hair just feel situational, especially since it doesn't account for things like lighting or different shapes.
1:41 for anyone that sees this anatomy isnt hard we just over complicate it; just understand the basic shape of what ever your drawing, using reference! if possible, and then build on the doodle. but don't just jump and do this just feel out the doodling process in a note book and see if you like it if not try incorporating different shapes into the doodling process to fill out the spaces you cant get right. or just dont listen to me at all if the first 5 doodles doesn't fit your fancy.
Yeah, ironically these techniques to simplify anatomy just over complicate it. At the end of the day knowing how long body parts are in relation to eachother is usually enough, provided you also do a lot of figure studies to get a feel for drawing the body.
For the line weight, I seen this cartoonist and he had amazing lines in his comics, I asked them what are your rules for the thickness? And only got shrugs. It just looks right. I had more than once artist that were amazing yet could not express what they did.
Welcome to people who learned the skill without learning the vocabulary that comes with it. I have perfect pitch and a pretty good musical memory, so I know when something is WRONG, but short of literally fixing it and showing my fix, I can't tell others how to improve or WHY it's better the way I fixed it. (The answer is almost always buried in some sort of musical theory that the greatest musical artists use, but all I know is that it WORKS when I heard it and I can apply that theory even if I don't KNOW I'm doing it.)
Rules for line weight thickness is getting into theoretical territory. Almost everything you can be told about it will be a simplification, because if the artist tells you a "rule" they most certainly have broken it. I have some that I can think of: thicker line for contours, and where a volume overlaps another, thinner where a plane transitions along a hard edge.... and there are also times when you want to make exceptions, because if the contour line is too thick then you risk the object or character looking flat and like a cardboard cut-out. You can sometimes fix that by not making the contour line solid; break it up or leave it open. Objects farther away will have thinner line than objects that are nearer.
I've seen soooooo many tiktoks with really bad art advice that is actually damaging your learning process so bad!! I am convinced they are actually professionals who do this to keep the competition weak haha
The hip/shoulder posing one & more details on line weight were useful advice, thank you for sharing those vids & also sharing some additional advice on them!
I made my profile pic because of a do/don't color post that got me mad lol, like sis say you don't get contrast it's ok. some of the best art comes from spite bc I love it still tbh
I appreciate that the titles of these videos are so sensationalised and then the actual content is basically "actually that's great advice!" "Oh that advice works in some scenarios but could be simplified once you are confident with proportions :smile:" and the whole thing isnt even laughing at bad advice, just re-explaining the advice in a way more taylored to his specific style.
I totally agree that the one tik tok that was pencil sketch of hair, was so super detailed, that the only reason I've ever seen that done that detailed or tried myself was when attempting PHOTOREALISTIC illustration/ drawings... If I'm trying to drawn fan art of anyone like from a show or anime? Nope. Too much detail will break my already gimpy wrist/hand. But never thought to apply the 8B with a brush... that I'll have to try sometime if relevant to the texture (and likely photorealistic) drawing I'm attempting.
The beginning has me in tears," it's under the sauuuce"😭😂! A few of these art tips were helpful, like the fashion illustrator, and the one about weight of line. Your videos have ispired me to get back into illustration/digital art. I want to see how much my style has changed over time💕💯😁!
I feel like most advice should be taken with a grain of salt if they don't explain how their method helps and why they're doing certain steps in the method. If you just draw a part of the body without knowing why or what it is it can set you back.
I wish people would broaden their artistic horizons beyond character design and finding your “art style” anything and everything can be art! Feels like young artists box themselves into just illustration. I know I did and art school opened my eyes to so many new artforms.
Advice for drawing eyes, draw them at the same time. Balances things out in your mind. If you're working digitally, flipping the canvas helps to see where the mistakes are. If traditional, viewing in the mirror or (depending on the thickness of the paper) holding the canvas to a light and seeing it from the other side. Also, finding guideline shortcuts for your specific style
Advice for drawing eyes, look at your own reflection or at photos of your friends and family. You'll find it rare that people have eyes 100% symmetrical and that they sometimes do have a slight shape variation between them. Slight Asymmetry is natural and your drawings won't be any worse off if you include it (it can actually add character to a peice.)
@@meikahidenori idk if this is criticism of my comment but just to clarify, my comment was less about symmetry and more about just making sure it's looking believable.
@@macmac3205 As someone who has formal training in art, the number one tip you should do is drawing shapes. Not detail. Shapes. Blocking color. If you look closely at wlop's work (and his speedpaints), he blocks color, value, and draws shapes. All down to the general scale. Some parts look detailed, but really they're not. In fact,the "detailed" parts were illusions of detail. He just happens to apply fundamentals incredibly well. And for traditional, same thing. The foremost basic fundamental, the first thing every art course does, is drawing shapes and from observation. An egg is simply a large circle, smaller circle, and an oval that connects both.
You'd draw an anatomical frame like in 1:25 when you're still getting to grips with anatomy. It will help you ensure the everything is proportional, and as you get better and more confident will require to draw the thing less, but have such a trick in your back pocket when drawing a particularly difficult pose. I mean you were talking about being unable to draw both eyes correctly, but if you had drawn the guiding sketches first, it'd perhaps have been easier. Not being mean, I think you're just dismissing what seemed like fairly reasonable advice and newby artists might also dismiss it when they'll need it most, after all, it's essentially what artists like Loomis and such taught.
This. I'd hate to see Agbadi's reaction to Proko, or New Masters Academy, or pretty much any artist with professional training in human anatomy. I guess he considers himself beyond the point of needing to use construction or guidelines anymore ("having to draw all the skeletons and tiny little shapes, and then end up literally taking them all away"), and has forgotten how an eye for robust proportion, perspective, anatomy, etc. is not something beginners just naturally possess. Like all right, the way to easily and quickly nail your proportions every time? "Just think about the shapes you draw and find which ones look out of place." Who would have known it was so easy?
that's a horrible representation of an anatomical frame. her shapes were unnecessary, unproportionate, incorrect, and downright unhelpful to any beginner artist. she did not *once* think of the drawing as a three dimensional surface, leaving her entire end result to be flat and emotionless. of course you will argue with me that her goal was to portray male anatomy, not emotions, but the two go hand and hand. leave the art advice to real professionals with experience...
@@nevadagrimreapers Have you actually read any of the instructional art books that are most recommended and used in art schools? Like I already mentioned Loomis, but you can look at Jack Hamm, or Bridgeman, Hogarth, anything like that and they all draw equally complex, if not more so, frames to help with their figure drawing. And of course the instructional drawing is flat and emotionless, it's a character standing straight look directly at the audience with no facial features or shading, again if we go to Loomis (or any other) their instructional drawings are flat and dull. You can't portray emotions and dimension if you can't draw even the basics. "of course you will argue with me that her goal was to portray male anatomy" You thought that was a male? The width of the shoulder, and the width of the hips, as well as the inward tilt of the feet show that it's actually a feminine figure. Could still be male, but it's definitely not using standard or accepted male proportions. I won't even argue her frame was particularly good, but arguing against frames generally because "you gotta draw all that?" (not you, but Agbadi) is silly. Yes, drawing can be quite complex at times... SURPRISE! It turns out art is quite difficult. "leave the art advice to real professionals with experience..." HAHAHA! Okay if you say something this smug, you gotta slap it on the table; what's your art account? You CAN NOT be talking like this and not have an art career of some sort.
@@ImCurrentlyNaked nevermind, i read some and you literally immediately contradicted yourself by saying "you thought that was a male?" watch her video over again. her video was dedicated to a comment asking for tips on male anatomy. further proof she failed miserably and you're defending bad art advice
I feel like most of these more so tutorials on how the artist who made the tutorial draws. They already got a pretty good understanding of what they are doing so they just made a tutorial showing how they do it. This can help some people who maybe are looking for a different way to draw, but maybe not so good for beginners
To thing about drawing eyes, I'd always suggest drawing both eyes at the same time. Put your drawing style into steps. Ex. Draw outline -> shade -> highlight -> etc. and draw both eyes in those stages at the same time. left eye shade done, now time for right eye shade, and go back and forth so you can step back and make sure both eyes look good at the same time.
totally weird but hear me out, for the one-eye thing I find it helps to actually draw both eyes simultaneously, rather than take one eye to completion before glaring at the vacant spot on the other half of the face. Like go stroke-for-stroke on both sides because I legit think it's the contrast of finished eye vs empty socket that shakes people up.
It's not weird. In fact, it should be the number one fundamental tip to drawing eyes. A lot of digital artists only bother to watch youtube videos and never get any sort of formal training, so a lot of helpful, needed advice are overshadowed by unhelpful advice, or by artists who don't know what they're doing. Fundamentals aren't taught a lot in digital in comparison to traditional.
I feel like a lot of these (like the two that are detailing a single strand of hair or the glossy eye) could potentially be a neat process to use if it's suited to someone's style but it's likely if that IS suited to someone's style they've already figured out a process that works for them and these are just too complicated to follow. If a beginner DID decide to memorize these processes and repeat them it would honestly probably look out of place in their own art style and they're better off just doing studies and figuring out the process for themself to truly understand drawing those things
The problem with a lot of these isnt necasarily that they are bad advice, its just that they are extremely subjective, sure they fit the artists own style but thats teaching you to draw something in specific ways
What weird is that, when I tried these so called art tips , it just made my drawings bad sometimes but when I just draw just by remembering how the anatomy looks like, I could draw well like everybody else, I guess some people has their own type of learning from how to draw
Different people learn different ways. My brother learnt using those proportional tutorials. I personally did a lot of live figure drawing until I learnt by sight what anatomy looks like.
Wow, I had serious nostalgia. The first manga eye tutorial is the exact same I had in a German "How to draw manga style characters" book when I was 13 (so about 25 years ago). The hardest thing with all these art hacks, tutorials and advices is to decide who to trust. I tried to follow so many silly, overcomplicated methods of drawing in my life... It would have saved me a ton of learning time if I could have see how silly these "tricks" were. :D Thanks for the great video.
Protip on drawing both eyes: draw both eyes at the same time instead of drawing one eye to completion then working on the other. You can work on matching eye proportions and such step by step, instead of trying to mimic your work.
I've actually been doing the 2 lines for shoulders and hips occasionally before watching this and didn't know it was actually something good to do, so that's cool to know for the future.
Construction lines are good when you're starting out, just as a simplified understanding of underlying anatomy. It's more important to lay out a clean silhouette as a gesture pose.
this is an odd topic but as someone with bipolar disorder and mild psychosis and what not, id like you to do a topic on how art is viewed by the “mentally ill” whether it be infamous art pieces claimed to be made in a asylum, the favoring of such disorders and romancing the whole ordeal. i see it really often in the art community mostly, especially with younger artists. it’s like they’re trying to be the worst mentally while here i am going to my therapist every week because im in such a bad state.
7:11 I've been shading hairs with pens like this and the only thing you have to keep note of is -Flow of the hair -Highlights -Shape of the hair Then tadaaa you can do it as easy as that (easier in pencils because pen pressure while pens have less control but I've gotten used to them so yea)
AT 5:40 ish I find that kind of unfair because they were likely just asked to show how they achieve a certain look. There's nothing wrong with the artist showcasing their process for people who are interested. I thought it was rude to say "I'm sure you didn't know this but light affects skin too" when it's clear this is a personal abstraction and not a general tutorial on shading the eye..
As someone who's working on an art instructive thing- terms and technical stuff for each medium early artists don't know or understand especially- I feel called out both by the comment and video 😂😂😂 (minus the patreon part)
I'm not sure I agree with this vid in a few areas, as there isn't really any right or wrong way, there's just different ways that work different individuals. Eg the hair video at 7:00 Don't forget that some people can't always get their head round things naturally without another explanation or work around. That weird way of doing hair that you said was "just hair" can actually help somebody else out there that art doesn't come so naturally too as others. Once they get their head round it, they can drop all the "mathematical" structure parts when it eventually becomes more muscle memory for them. I've had to do this more recently to help a friend that's taken up drawing, to understand light. He was watching a decent vid on UA-cam and just wasn't getting it. I had to improvise and grab a bauble from the Xmas tree to explain it 😆 But it worked I learnt far less from my actual art teachers than I ever did from just looking around at other people's stuff that I liked. So in a way, I was learning indirectly from unlicensed art teachers too 😁 I'm not a licensed art teacher either, but I have lead teams of artists on different styles and even corrected DreamWorks artists work, who are actually far better than me too! 😆 Each one under me worked differently, and sometimes needed a different way of teaching to get the same result. I'm just maybe more analytical with art than them, and maybe better at explaining it too. A talent in itself. A lot of figuring out art is like a puzzle after all. Along the way these artists will learn to pick and choose which bits work for them and which bits don't. I'm sure if people looked at the way I work, quite a few would say "why the heck did he do that" too 😁 The only thing that makes ME a "professional", is that I get paid for it and it's my job. Other than that I'm the same as any other artists out there.
Here’s what my art teacher told me to do so i don’t have to struggle with “the other eye”. Just draw both eyes at the same time, it makes them both pretty damn similar and helped me so much with my art.
Imagine combining all these art tips and having a character with hair with a million strands, eyes with 10 different light sources coming into them, and a pose with 5 feet facing different directions.
The line weight one was super useful, I never thought about the gravity of things in lineart, I guessed it was about the light source, shadows etcetera, but never about gravity! I have to test it out and see how it works, it looks like something I would love to improve more in my style! :D
That line weight one was really helpful! I remember when I first learned about line weight when I was younger every site kinda just showed you what line weight was not how to use it lol I don't do lineart now but when I do manga that'll be really helpful, in general my issue with art videos are just how new artists could be misconstrued by bad/personal advice which touts itself as if it was THE way to do it. Admittedly I'm always just kinda skeptical about art videos in general haha
My art teacher hated my drawing process because she said it was “too messy” and “how can you possibly make something with all the lines?” I use a lot of lines in my works to figure out curves and angles to get the right dimensions. The result is a bit messy, but by the time I get the final lines down and erase the other marks, you can’t tell. She wanted me to stick with HER way of sketching.
I like to believe that the hair one is more performance than practicality. The vegalia one is meant for her loc brushes although the basic structure s are the helpful bitd
Anybody can share their knowledge. The "teaching license" thing has more to do with psychology and having proper training for managing a classroom, accommodating different types of learning disabilities and stuff.
At this point I only take advice from 3 places; 1. Top industry professionals, 2. Reference, 3. Paid tutorials from reputable, top industry professionals. If art in VFX or videogames is your thing, check out Gnomons workshop, their tutorials are pricy but you'll learn more in a week than if you attended a semester of university.
The first hair advice is particularly stupid because it only works specifically for people with really smooth and black hair. And if it's an all-pencil drawing.
So what you're saying is, it's actually not stupid... If the person has really smooth black hair and all pencil 😜 The thing is, that vid can actually be helpful for people that art doesn't come more naturally too, but want to have an interest in doing it anyway. They would later drop all the 'sillyness' part of it when it becomes more natural and muscle memory. Not everyone works the same way. The parts people missed here is that it does actually show flow and help with shape and form. A lot of people are thinking it's "stupid" because they heard it was bad from this video because it's "just hair"😉 Some people really struggle to get their head around hair, and need that bit extra explanation to get it. There's no real right and wrong. That's something more ACTUAL teachers need to figure out too. Mine included 😁
Your arguments hold no weight. A piece of art advice that barely has any versatility whatsoever can't be called good advice at all. The explanation in the short video itself wasn't particularly good either. There's probably better hair tutorials even on Deviant Art. You'll learn one day instead of taking crap advice from crap tik tok videos. Peace.
@@HystericalDark I mainly work digitally now, a lot of advice I would give on digital art processes wouldn't carry over to traditional art, which makes it totally not versatile too. Does that make advice I would give wrong too then? I have a whole portfolio that would disagree. Lots of people work differently. And lots of people learn even more differently, it doesn't mean it's wrong. (Just a heads up, my argument actually holds around 18 years of professional level experience of weight, including leading teams of pro artists, and working on Disney/WB/marvel/DreamWorks projects. You might want to check on that before you give that kind of response. 😉)
@@grandmasterj5 except that not really? What I've meant is that this only work FOR SMOOTH HAIR IN TRADITIONAL ART, is different from teaching someone how to draw smooth hair traditionally BUT in different circunstances (wet, during a windy day, etc.). What do you think someone's gonna do with that tutorial anyway? It doesn't even help for different hair lenghts. But yeah sure because you're "professional", you're the one who's correct. Gimme a break.
@@HystericalDark It does work for that particular style though. Other hair types would require different tutorials. This doesn't make that video wrong or "stupid". Btw, you can actually use the same base shapes for other hair styles AND colours to concept out the flow of hair, even for curls and dredds. Flow and weight are important for hair. Then after comes style adjustment and lighting. You also CAN use black as values, even if just to concept light sources. Go and watch David Finch's latest stream to see what they do with black and white values for what ends up being Black Widow's red hair. You might learn something there. You're welcome 😁 As for saying it "doesn't work for different hair lengths", this is one lock of hair, repeat it next to each other and you create flowing waves in the hair. Take away the slightly awkward process they used, and the actual initial shape is the same as I and many other comic artists use. I've recently used a similar concept for a fanart picture of X-Men's Rogue. And yes, my comment about being professional did make you wrong, about the weight of my argument and about the fact that I'll "learn one day instead of taking crap advice from tik tok" In your reply you assumed I'm inexperienced, so yes, in this case you were very wrong 😉 I've been illustrating many different styles for around 25 years, and happy to say that I'm still learning all the time and still enjoying it. And yes, I've even ok to ait that I e even learnt a thing or two from random tik toks 😆 Learning artwork with, and teaching to others requires an open mind. Something you seem to be lacking right now. I hope you learn this before giving out any artistic advice to people though, otherwise you're just as bad as my school art teachers when they said they didn't like my art style and that it was "rubbish" 😆 They had particularly closed minds to other things too, and you're sounding very similar right now 😉 I almost quit because of years of their comments. Turned out they had no clue what they were doing and were just bad at teaching. Because I've had to teach different people, beginners and professional, I now fully appreciate that different people sometimes have to learn in different ways. Because it doesn't work for you and is different to what you might do, doesn't mean it doesn't work for others.
shortcuts with art can be extremely helpful , unless your the kind of person to make your shortcuts have 10+ useless steps that really just overcomplicate things .
I actually think the advice first most in the video, with all the shapes for the body, is the most helpful in this entire video, actually. Just drawing a body is an impossible situation for me otherwise. I need to take that time, because without it, I'm just guessing. I can't visualize images in my mind, so using simple shapes even I can create as a guideline is abnormally helpful. It's probably the only technique I could use to even sketch a character effectively in the first place.
I don’t know what kind of videos you guys were watching, but personally, taking advice from other artists really helped me. Although, that may be because I was watching professional artists on UA-cam instead of Instagram or TikTok, and looked for stuff on perspective, anatomy, proportions, etc.
To be honest the way you criticize these people they could criticize you, too. I think all tutorials there are great helps to learn. Every artist starts differently so some like the more complex ways of drawing and others the easier way and others just draw. Every way is great and not wrong at all. You say for example drawing hairs like that isn't needed but others like drawing it like that. Maybe because they want to draw hair that way. Don't take art to seriously! In the end also the artist should have fun drawing the pictures and not only them who will see them!
a tip for drawing the other eye: instead of drawing one eye completely and then trying to copy it on the other side, draw both eyes one piece at a time. one line left, same line right, etc. until done with both.
That last one is interesting, because if you don't have a good understanding of highlight, shadow, and color to create a hair texture, you're essentially using tools to FAKE IT. It really just looked like someone scribbled some dark shadows some light shadows, then with a few brushes blended it & added texture, that from FAR AWAY looks okay... I mean if I'm not able to zoom up in a jpg to see what they did, it might look okay. I think it can be great if it's used for a quick study for light because if you're just doing a study you don't need as much precision. So just dropping some color in and blending it a bit to get an idea of how you want the light/shadow to go or the shape using that last hair technique looks like it can get things blocked in quickly. Though, I'm not a digital artist. -_- I'm a traditional one. So the last one looks appealing for 'speed' but I'm not satis fied enough with the result for me to adopt it if I were trying to learn how to digitally illustrate realistic hair using layers or blending. I'm not sure I'd be happy with it every time I used it because ... there's more concerns I have in regards to how you might not want that kind of texture for the type of illustration, or how it might be too detailed if you're doing something that's more cel shaded. Idk. Sorry I write so much. I just am thinking out loud. I'm a hobbyist mostly so it's not like I've got the best education and experience for this - it's only an opinion of how a traditional art hobbyist sees this.
I'm not *professional artist* I'm still kinda a beginner I've been drawing for five years but when I started drawing I started using TikTok to help me even though I was already good *BIGGG MISTAKE*.. Another thing I learned not to do off of TikTok or really any social media, don't follow people's color theory/shadeing, because then you'll get used to the same shadeing, same colors, because if your drawings light preservative is from the other way than you usually do it and it'll be hard to but lighting and shading that way ( this is usually for beginners, that's just what I had trouble with not saying anyone else has trouble But thanks for this because I still watch some videos without spotting the mistakes so this was helpful, have a great day!
I have been struggling with dynamic poses for the longest time, because everybody suggests the wireframe method for learning torsos. But that was always difficult for me because doing the different shapes for the hips and ribs always threw me off because of the collarbone, trapezius, and pectorals. But that one guy who did the dolls gave fantastic advice. I am glad I found a much easier way to distribute weight in my poses and properly weigh the anatomy of my poses just with a few simple lines. It lets me construct the anatomy from scratch rather than building off of an ambiguous circle. Definitely got me out of a rut in my artwork
For the "lock brush" one of just find a fake cloud brush or a blood brush, something that has different opacity type splotches on the edges like she was using.
Hey!!! At 11:23 that artist made that video for people *who have already bought her brushes* and was not meant to be taken as "art advice" since is just to show people how to use her brushes. She posted about it on Twitter, no hate at all but that's just not what her video was for
The hair tutorial was a tutorial for someone who draws realism/ultra realism… you can’t simply a tutorial of something that’s supposed to look like an alive picture
Bro my art teacher sucks, she doesn’t even teach us herself, she shows UA-cam tutorials on how to draw faces but everyone’s drawings just looks the same.
I feel like a lot of these tips meant for beginners (or "anyone") dont take into consideration that people who are just getting started are likely struggling the most with figuring out the ideal movements and getting used to leading a pen or brush in a way that feels natural. A lot of it is simply muscle memory and of course practise. So when they try to imitate a lot o these tutorials focusing on anatomy and shapes and what not, I imagine it's quite frustrating because even if you understand everything that is said, your drawing wont look like the reference. And then you're left wondering what you did differently.
I love your videos and the dry humour.. I've found the best way to improve your art, is doing sculpting or 3d art. Because it exposes your flaws. 2d art is very forgiving, no wonder Michelangelo was so full of himself.
To be honest, I kind of liked the brush part about that mathematical hair drawing. I didn't think about shredding my pencil and using the brush to paint with the coal.
2:07 I get why a tutorial like this would help someone learning how to draw. But even when I was learning I thought these "tutorials" were super annoying... like I'm drawing to have fun and now I have to calculate the distance and draw tons of triangles, squares, etc. this is useful when you're drawing something super complicated, but a simple body... bruh I literally hate guide lines.
Tbh it all depends on how you draw! Art has no set rules so my best advice is to study and experiment and see what agrees with you and goes with your art style!! Besides some basic principles that can elevate any style of course, the foundations of art r always important
YES MY ARTSTYLE IS NEVER SEEN ONLINE I DONT EVEN KNOW IF SOMEONE ELSE USES THE SAME ONE it’s actually so hard to follow advice but if you really want advice what I do is go to a GOOD art teacher and they can teach you based on your artstyle :)
Drawing the 2000-shape skeleton helped me as a beginner, but once you get used to it you should be able to eliminate most of those shapes until you get down to just two lines and a circle.
Brush Designer/Artist at 11:07 here aka Vegalia👋🏾! That tutorial was for my audience since a lot of them ask how to use my brushes 😅. However, we can't control where my videos end up with the algorithm/internet. But yes, I sell loc, braid, curl, twist, etc brushes for Clip Studio Paint, Photoshop and Procreate and are enjoyed by professionals & beginners alike! I created them so drawing diverse characters would be more accessible and then when people buy them it supports me and my team to create more products and tools that positively represent POC while creating even more opportunities for artists. Thanks for sharing 💜
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Your brushes have saved my life!
v important context,, i'm hoping he sees this!
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Boosting - your brushes are amazing and I hope to buy more of them in the future!
I think my worst mistake as a younger artist was taking art advice from random videos on the internet lol. Just using and studing my own references helped a lot better, at least for me it did
I 100% , they make sketching so complicated in these . İnstead of helping feels like waste of time . Building up muscle memory fastens the productivity way better .
@@kaoriakira2512 literally ! Like my style was stuck in a rut for years but then when I finally started using references , my style improved drastically within half a year. I literally wanna slap young artists that make the same mistakes as me 😂😂
I got good on my own lol
@@Hollyse I try to use references but I end up getting distracted and scrolling through Pinterest for hours, forgetting I was going to draw something lmao
But I do use references if I’m drawing a particular character or person
@@daychild_ honestly it’s so easy to get lost down the rabbit hole of Pinterest ahhahaha so good for refs tho
When it comes to taking art advice from Instagram I just go by whatever looks most helpful to me and ingore the rest
lmaooo all the time! i just look at the name of the account first and decide if i want to do it or nahh!
same
@토끼 The Screwdriver might not be as helpful as it sounds an artist you like might have a terrible art habit that suffocates your art skills
@토끼 The Screwdriver fair point
Ingore.
Seeing this took me by surprise
But I find it interesting to see how each person has their "shortcut" to create their art
that makes sense
If it helps- I literally have almost no rhyme or reason to how I draw. Started last year on digital art and I could try to describe my technique as "Clusterfuck the lines into proportioning it and run with it."
@@GenocidalSquid same man. I'm trying to move over to digital from traditional... and I think that learning curve is taking me a little longer than it takes most people. If something I make digitally comes out good it's literally only down to luck. I'm still just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
I'm trying to move over from traditional to digital(I am straight up shit at it)@@SwedePotato314
Just so you know, Vegalia, the creator @ 11:07 specifically made those brushes to help ALL artists be more diverse with their work and have more tools to draw hair. Hair for some people is hard to draw, and it’s helpful for those who have difficulty with it. She has multiple packs for locs, braids, curls, etc. So you CAN get the brush, plus you’ll be supporting a creative that did hard work to make 100+ brushes for digital artists.
Yup! And to add on, her tutorials aren't general ones, they're specifically for her brushes, they're not a catch-all tutorial for every artist in every medium. It's super helpful and personalized to working with her stuff.
@@citrus_bees exactly! No where did she say this was for any old brush. It says it at the beginning and end about her brushes. Plus she has multiple videos on it
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Also boosting this comment bc yeah this is important to know
I feel like a lot of this advice is for specific situations and was probably provided because people asked the artist how they draw a certain thing. I can definitely see the hair thing (maybe not the perspective lines) being useful for someone who's going for photorealism. These tips don't apply to every artist or every style and that's fine! There's nothing wrong with showing people how you draw something and it might even help someone
Yeah a lot of these criticisms felt off. Like yeah ofc it’s only gonna work for photorealistic drawings, that’s what that is for. Not everything in art is a cartoon.
Exactly! I felt it was missing the point, it wasn’t for cartoony characters, it was for people who wanted specifically photo realistic
As someone who has some knowledge of photo realism(on traditional art) I do believe that person exaggerated a bit, most of the time u wont draw only a single lock of hair, u draw multiple,time is precious.Most of the time,I see other photo realist artists only do 3 of these steps.Buts that's just me ofc!Do whatever makes u feel better👍
I love and follow the person at 3:35, he makes these incredible dolls but his illustrations are also so stylized and gorgeous.
I think actually when I was a beginner, the more amateur or technically imperfect tutorials were by far the most helpful to me. Super skilled and experienced artists have all sorts of subtleties that even they can't really explain because it's so innate and comes with practice. I'd look at what they'd do and it would just mean nothing to me and my art. The imperfect "cheaty" tutorials that people make fun of were actually so helpful to me because they met me at my skill level and let me see how someone not light years ahead of me could make something achievable to me. Innacurate anatomy and unrealistic lighting and all.
a lot of youtube artists that say to immediately start with perspective/gesture drawing/formal training seem to forget the part where they themselves spent a decade in middle school/high school doodling or following anime tutorials. some even say "dont do what i did"
i think for beginners, just becoming familiar with drawing things and getting few thousand hours in is a lot more important than construction skills
#2 was incredibly helpful. Just the 'you can do what you want with the other leg' fixed my biggest road block... Lol. Kinda mind blown that that was the answer I've been searching for for the last decade. So many art tutorials and how to draw books, trial and error, tears, and wasted materials.
Just put the gd leg somewhere.
The best advice I ever got for "HOW DO YOU CHOSE A POOOOOOOOSE" was just "go watch something you like, pause randomly, and copy whatever pause you land on".
People really overcomplicate posing characters with all the theory and harping on about composition, just using Rule of Cool/Cute/Pretty is enough.
Also another advice I got that was important to me: You need to learn the rules, not so you can FOLLOW them, but so you can deliberately break them. (Making characters whose anatomy/ways to stand break the standard made them a LOT more lifelike and striking according to my friends.)
Hey, just so everyone knows. Those black hair brush tutorial was specifically for the brushes themselves and not for how to draw black hair! Many people were confused on how those brushes worked and could be used so they made a video for it :)
I feel like the problem with most art advise is not that is "wrong" but rather that it's very specific and teaches to young artists how to do one specific thing without really showing the fundamentals.
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most of these tutorials seem to just be people who’ve just been asked how they draw in their style and shown people. most of it is more specific to a certain style than general advice and i think it’s cool that they put effort into sharing their techniques with other people who are interested.
For the loc brush guide, Vegalia gave helpful tips for those without that tool: map the scalp and draw individual locs. Style and definition is up to the artist. I'm glad you brought attention to her work, but the video is for people who are curious about the brush. Making your own is an option, though.
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My advice for drawing two eyes nicely when I started is to draw each step of each eye together. Don't just do one eye and then do the other eye. Step by step of each eye together. EX: Left eyelash, done. Then, right eyelash, done. eyelid here, eyelid opposite side. bla bla bla, until it's all done. It might not look as "wow!" as it would have been with just one eye but at least it's nearly symmetrical-
That's traditional art.
If it's digital, just ... copy, past, select pasted eye shape, flip horizontally and reshape tool to make it kinda good. Don't let people tell you it's cheating, if they said that, push your tablet onto them and tell them to draw both eyes without the copy paste. If it's a side profile, make the heights the same but the width different to show the angle. But this isn't really the only trick out there.
I'm traditional and I also do the step-by-step technique on the eyes. It's really good to make sure the simetry is on point.
I also do that for traditional art and when I'm drawing digitally I copy and paste but my eyes are really simple so I only had a problem like this when I was starting out and doing super "realistic" drawings.
It also helps to just determine where the corner of the eyes go beforehand and if you have a pretty decent grasp of how shapes work it tends to be pretty easy from there
the eye copy trick only rlly works if ur drawing a face straight on- but i do draw each eye at the same time with digital as well
One thing that does bother me when people complain about eyes not being symmetrical is that they don't really look at themselves in the mirror (Ie study themselves) It's super rare for people to be perfectly symmetrical and adding asymmetry to your peices can make them look incredibly interesting and more natural. If you use photos of friends and family for references you'll easily see that!
Agree with the thoughts on most of these but the tutorial at 11:07 "how to draw locs in under 15 seconds" was showcasing how to use their particular loc and braid brushes!! Not how to draw hair just in general.
I often draw eyes without reflection. Not because I dislike it or I can't draw it, is because eyes tend to catch more attention than any other part of the body. Less detail in the eye area=more balanced drawing.
The only thing i add to the eye is a tiny light colored dot for lighting and thats really it
I’ve found that to be true in realism and etc. if I do an anime style, then I have to make the eyes stand out. Cool if you always feel pressured to make eyes look perfect! It’ll make you focus more on the rest of the body.
I love it, makes the character look dead inside
@@3thalluing339 tbh in anime I make the eyes super detailed on purpose because I want to draw the viewers attention to the eyes, and away from the body
I also noticed that naruto iris are so plain just like the uchiha clan with onyx eyes. I still find it attractive. Kishimoto is one my inspirations for my drawings. Aside from naruto, I also like fairy tail, AOT, and W.I.T.C.H series.
I think the best advice you can get for digital art is when it can be used in ANY software
not everyone draws on procreate or CSP so they have all those brush libraries at hand
I don’ think there’s anything inherently wrong with people showing how they do something. Their method might work for some, and not for others. My thing with art is nothing is specifically “law” you can create it how you want. No everyone cares about realism or accuracy. If you don’t agree with their advice, just ignore it.
Also at 11:07 those brushes are byvegalia, please credit her! Those brushes help so many people draw curly hair textures.
Ignoring doesn't help beginner artists that doesn't know any better and believe that those methods is what 'should' be done. It just damages or impedes their learning process.
I don't agree. Sharing advice that doesn't work is harmful to beginners, because they might not know enough and follow them. If you know that you're an amateur, feel free to share your art, but don't do art tutorials. Just because you're good enough to know it's not good advice doesn't mean everyone is.
Even if you do want to make tutorials, at least tell the audience that it's just how you do it, and it might not be a good way for learners.
I completely agree! I watched tons of art tip videos as a younger artist, and it's just a matter of choosing out what works for you. Maybe some people don't get it, but that's really not the artist's fault- especially when they're badgered with questions of how they do this or that and are just answering them. I learned a lot from following the advice and seeing the processes of artists I liked.
i agree.. yall take this shit wayy too seriously.. like its fuckin art man some stuff works for one person and some stuff works for another this account pisses me off
@@serasilva8214 You're not wrong, but some beginners don't know how to choose the right advice and pretty much takes everything they learn. If you're an amateur artist claiming your advices to be a "How-to", you might not be showing a good way to draw, but beginners will listen anyway. I have a special dislike for these type of "How-to" videos, because when
I was a beginner myself I experimented the same, and that really affected my art improvement, or even other views that that point (An art book I once owned claimed to not draw short hair on girls, because it makes them boring and ugly).
Happy that you took the right advice as a beginner though!
I like the tips that can be used to fit anyone's style or illustration. Like the line weight, fashion dolls, and locs. The ones where it's just draw a single shiny eye or tuft of hair just feel situational, especially since it doesn't account for things like lighting or different shapes.
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for anyone that sees this anatomy isnt hard we just over complicate it; just understand the basic shape of what ever your drawing, using reference! if possible, and then build on the doodle. but don't just jump and do this just feel out the doodling process in a note book and see if you like it if not try incorporating different shapes into the doodling process to fill out the spaces you cant get right. or just dont listen to me at all if the first 5 doodles doesn't fit your fancy.
Yeah, ironically these techniques to simplify anatomy just over complicate it. At the end of the day knowing how long body parts are in relation to eachother is usually enough, provided you also do a lot of figure studies to get a feel for drawing the body.
i dont understand when people say this, anatomy isnt easy and learning it is important to be able to draw it (at least for me)
For the line weight, I seen this cartoonist and he had amazing lines in his comics, I asked them what are your rules for the thickness? And only got shrugs. It just looks right. I had more than once artist that were amazing yet could not express what they did.
Instinct versus method.
Jim Lee has a good video about line weights and how perspective and value determined his line weights.
Welcome to people who learned the skill without learning the vocabulary that comes with it.
I have perfect pitch and a pretty good musical memory, so I know when something is WRONG, but short of literally fixing it and showing my fix, I can't tell others how to improve or WHY it's better the way I fixed it. (The answer is almost always buried in some sort of musical theory that the greatest musical artists use, but all I know is that it WORKS when I heard it and I can apply that theory even if I don't KNOW I'm doing it.)
Rules for line weight thickness is getting into theoretical territory. Almost everything you can be told about it will be a simplification, because if the artist tells you a "rule" they most certainly have broken it. I have some that I can think of: thicker line for contours, and where a volume overlaps another, thinner where a plane transitions along a hard edge.... and there are also times when you want to make exceptions, because if the contour line is too thick then you risk the object or character looking flat and like a cardboard cut-out. You can sometimes fix that by not making the contour line solid; break it up or leave it open. Objects farther away will have thinner line than objects that are nearer.
@@AaaaNinja Some line art when done just right can look 3D with no shading just lines, it's fascinating.
I've seen soooooo many tiktoks with really bad art advice that is actually damaging your learning process so bad!! I am convinced they are actually professionals who do this to keep the competition weak haha
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The hip/shoulder posing one & more details on line weight were useful advice, thank you for sharing those vids & also sharing some additional advice on them!
1:33 my main issue with this one is that they dont tell you how far apart to put those 3 shapes but then give super specific sizes for the limbs
I made my profile pic because of a do/don't color post that got me mad lol, like sis say you don't get contrast it's ok. some of the best art comes from spite bc I love it still tbh
tbh most of my really good drawings come from spite!!
I appreciate that the titles of these videos are so sensationalised and then the actual content is basically "actually that's great advice!" "Oh that advice works in some scenarios but could be simplified once you are confident with proportions :smile:" and the whole thing isnt even laughing at bad advice, just re-explaining the advice in a way more taylored to his specific style.
In conclusion: Don't over detail things when It's not needed.
I totally agree that the one tik tok that was pencil sketch of hair, was so super detailed, that the only reason I've ever seen that done that detailed or tried myself was when attempting PHOTOREALISTIC illustration/ drawings... If I'm trying to drawn fan art of anyone like from a show or anime? Nope. Too much detail will break my already gimpy wrist/hand.
But never thought to apply the 8B with a brush... that I'll have to try sometime if relevant to the texture (and likely photorealistic) drawing I'm attempting.
The beginning has me in tears," it's under the sauuuce"😭😂! A few of these art tips were helpful, like the fashion illustrator, and the one about weight of line. Your videos have ispired me to get back into illustration/digital art. I want to see how much my style has changed over time💕💯😁!
I feel like most advice should be taken with a grain of salt if they don't explain how their method helps and why they're doing certain steps in the method. If you just draw a part of the body without knowing why or what it is it can set you back.
I wish people would broaden their artistic horizons beyond character design and finding your “art style” anything and everything can be art! Feels like young artists box themselves into just illustration. I know I did and art school opened my eyes to so many new artforms.
Advice for drawing eyes, draw them at the same time. Balances things out in your mind. If you're working digitally, flipping the canvas helps to see where the mistakes are. If traditional, viewing in the mirror or (depending on the thickness of the paper) holding the canvas to a light and seeing it from the other side. Also, finding guideline shortcuts for your specific style
Advice for drawing eyes, look at your own reflection or at photos of your friends and family. You'll find it rare that people have eyes 100% symmetrical and that they sometimes do have a slight shape variation between them. Slight Asymmetry is natural and your drawings won't be any worse off if you include it (it can actually add character to a peice.)
@@meikahidenori idk if this is criticism of my comment but just to clarify, my comment was less about symmetry and more about just making sure it's looking believable.
@@macmac3205 As someone who has formal training in art, the number one tip you should do is drawing shapes. Not detail. Shapes. Blocking color.
If you look closely at wlop's work (and his speedpaints), he blocks color, value, and draws shapes. All down to the general scale. Some parts look detailed, but really they're not. In fact,the "detailed" parts were illusions of detail. He just happens to apply fundamentals incredibly well.
And for traditional, same thing. The foremost basic fundamental, the first thing every art course does, is drawing shapes and from observation. An egg is simply a large circle, smaller circle, and an oval that connects both.
You'd draw an anatomical frame like in 1:25 when you're still getting to grips with anatomy. It will help you ensure the everything is proportional, and as you get better and more confident will require to draw the thing less, but have such a trick in your back pocket when drawing a particularly difficult pose.
I mean you were talking about being unable to draw both eyes correctly, but if you had drawn the guiding sketches first, it'd perhaps have been easier.
Not being mean, I think you're just dismissing what seemed like fairly reasonable advice and newby artists might also dismiss it when they'll need it most, after all, it's essentially what artists like Loomis and such taught.
This. I'd hate to see Agbadi's reaction to Proko, or New Masters Academy, or pretty much any artist with professional training in human anatomy. I guess he considers himself beyond the point of needing to use construction or guidelines anymore ("having to draw all the skeletons and tiny little shapes, and then end up literally taking them all away"), and has forgotten how an eye for robust proportion, perspective, anatomy, etc. is not something beginners just naturally possess.
Like all right, the way to easily and quickly nail your proportions every time? "Just think about the shapes you draw and find which ones look out of place." Who would have known it was so easy?
that's a horrible representation of an anatomical frame. her shapes were unnecessary, unproportionate, incorrect, and downright unhelpful to any beginner artist. she did not *once* think of the drawing as a three dimensional surface, leaving her entire end result to be flat and emotionless. of course you will argue with me that her goal was to portray male anatomy, not emotions, but the two go hand and hand. leave the art advice to real professionals with experience...
@@nevadagrimreapers Have you actually read any of the instructional art books that are most recommended and used in art schools? Like I already mentioned Loomis, but you can look at Jack Hamm, or Bridgeman, Hogarth, anything like that and they all draw equally complex, if not more so, frames to help with their figure drawing. And of course the instructional drawing is flat and emotionless, it's a character standing straight look directly at the audience with no facial features or shading, again if we go to Loomis (or any other) their instructional drawings are flat and dull.
You can't portray emotions and dimension if you can't draw even the basics.
"of course you will argue with me that her goal was to portray male anatomy"
You thought that was a male? The width of the shoulder, and the width of the hips, as well as the inward tilt of the feet show that it's actually a feminine figure. Could still be male, but it's definitely not using standard or accepted male proportions. I won't even argue her frame was particularly good, but arguing against frames generally because "you gotta draw all that?" (not you, but Agbadi) is silly. Yes, drawing can be quite complex at times... SURPRISE! It turns out art is quite difficult.
"leave the art advice to real professionals with experience..."
HAHAHA! Okay if you say something this smug, you gotta slap it on the table; what's your art account? You CAN NOT be talking like this and not have an art career of some sort.
@@ImCurrentlyNaked gonna be honest, im not reading any of this. stay pressed for being uneducated
@@ImCurrentlyNaked nevermind, i read some and you literally immediately contradicted yourself by saying "you thought that was a male?" watch her video over again. her video was dedicated to a comment asking for tips on male anatomy. further proof she failed miserably and you're defending bad art advice
I feel like most of these more so tutorials on how the artist who made the tutorial draws. They already got a pretty good understanding of what they are doing so they just made a tutorial showing how they do it. This can help some people who maybe are looking for a different way to draw, but maybe not so good for beginners
To thing about drawing eyes, I'd always suggest drawing both eyes at the same time. Put your drawing style into steps. Ex. Draw outline -> shade -> highlight -> etc. and draw both eyes in those stages at the same time. left eye shade done, now time for right eye shade, and go back and forth so you can step back and make sure both eyes look good at the same time.
totally weird but hear me out, for the one-eye thing I find it helps to actually draw both eyes simultaneously, rather than take one eye to completion before glaring at the vacant spot on the other half of the face. Like go stroke-for-stroke on both sides because I legit think it's the contrast of finished eye vs empty socket that shakes people up.
This is good advice, drawing both at the same time instead of completing one then moving to the other helps keep them consistent
It's not weird. In fact, it should be the number one fundamental tip to drawing eyes.
A lot of digital artists only bother to watch youtube videos and never get any sort of formal training, so a lot of helpful, needed advice are overshadowed by unhelpful advice, or by artists who don't know what they're doing. Fundamentals aren't taught a lot in digital in comparison to traditional.
how is this weird lmao this is literally THE advice every artist should know
I feel like a lot of these (like the two that are detailing a single strand of hair or the glossy eye) could potentially be a neat process to use if it's suited to someone's style but it's likely if that IS suited to someone's style they've already figured out a process that works for them and these are just too complicated to follow.
If a beginner DID decide to memorize these processes and repeat them it would honestly probably look out of place in their own art style and they're better off just doing studies and figuring out the process for themself to truly understand drawing those things
Every mistake is an art style now
and every art style is a....
I mean it's true to some degree.
I don't think it's true
Put me in a museum then
I’m an artstyle now lmao /j
The problem with a lot of these isnt necasarily that they are bad advice, its just that they are extremely subjective, sure they fit the artists own style but thats teaching you to draw something in specific ways
Exactly! Thank you!
What weird is that, when I tried these so called art tips , it just made my drawings bad sometimes but when I just draw just by remembering how the anatomy looks like, I could draw well like everybody else, I guess some people has their own type of learning from how to draw
Different people learn different ways. My brother learnt using those proportional tutorials. I personally did a lot of live figure drawing until I learnt by sight what anatomy looks like.
Remember guys: TBChoi is a nft artist who makes and sells NFTs. This isn't the kind of shortcut we support in the art community 🙌
Thanks
Can you please provide proof of her nft works?
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Wow, I had serious nostalgia. The first manga eye tutorial is the exact same I had in a German "How to draw manga style characters" book when I was 13 (so about 25 years ago).
The hardest thing with all these art hacks, tutorials and advices is to decide who to trust. I tried to follow so many silly, overcomplicated methods of drawing in my life... It would have saved me a ton of learning time if I could have see how silly these "tricks" were. :D Thanks for the great video.
Protip on drawing both eyes: draw both eyes at the same time instead of drawing one eye to completion then working on the other. You can work on matching eye proportions and such step by step, instead of trying to mimic your work.
I've actually been doing the 2 lines for shoulders and hips occasionally before watching this and didn't know it was actually something good to do, so that's cool to know for the future.
Construction lines are good when you're starting out, just as a simplified understanding of underlying anatomy. It's more important to lay out a clean silhouette as a gesture pose.
this is an odd topic but as someone with bipolar disorder and mild psychosis and what not, id like you to do a topic on how art is viewed by the “mentally ill” whether it be infamous art pieces claimed to be made in a asylum, the favoring of such disorders and romancing the whole ordeal.
i see it really often in the art community mostly, especially with younger artists. it’s like they’re trying to be the worst mentally while here i am going to my therapist every week because im in such a bad state.
7:11 I've been shading hairs with pens like this and the only thing you have to keep note of is
-Flow of the hair
-Highlights
-Shape of the hair
Then tadaaa you can do it as easy as that (easier in pencils because pen pressure while pens have less control but I've gotten used to them so yea)
"everybody is a professional artist"
Now that one hurt
I swear everytime i watch you videos i learn something new tysm for the videos! Could you make a video on tips on how to draw animals?
Thanks for the idea! i'll give that a try!!
AT 5:40 ish I find that kind of unfair because they were likely just asked to show how they achieve a certain look. There's nothing wrong with the artist showcasing their process for people who are interested. I thought it was rude to say "I'm sure you didn't know this but light affects skin too" when it's clear this is a personal abstraction and not a general tutorial on shading the eye..
Everyone is an art teacher with a patreon for you to support their pedagogy, lol
lmaooo
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As someone who's working on an art instructive thing- terms and technical stuff for each medium early artists don't know or understand especially- I feel called out both by the comment and video 😂😂😂 (minus the patreon part)
It took me so long to realize that I should just figure things out myself and take classes from real professionals lol
I'm not sure I agree with this vid in a few areas, as there isn't really any right or wrong way, there's just different ways that work different individuals.
Eg the hair video at 7:00
Don't forget that some people can't always get their head round things naturally without another explanation or work around.
That weird way of doing hair that you said was "just hair" can actually help somebody else out there that art doesn't come so naturally too as others.
Once they get their head round it, they can drop all the "mathematical" structure parts when it eventually becomes more muscle memory for them.
I've had to do this more recently to help a friend that's taken up drawing, to understand light. He was watching a decent vid on UA-cam and just wasn't getting it. I had to improvise and grab a bauble from the Xmas tree to explain it 😆
But it worked
I learnt far less from my actual art teachers than I ever did from just looking around at other people's stuff that I liked. So in a way, I was learning indirectly from unlicensed art teachers too 😁
I'm not a licensed art teacher either, but I have lead teams of artists on different styles and even corrected DreamWorks artists work, who are actually far better than me too! 😆
Each one under me worked differently, and sometimes needed a different way of teaching to get the same result.
I'm just maybe more analytical with art than them, and maybe better at explaining it too.
A talent in itself.
A lot of figuring out art is like a puzzle after all. Along the way these artists will learn to pick and choose which bits work for them and which bits don't.
I'm sure if people looked at the way I work, quite a few would say "why the heck did he do that" too 😁
The only thing that makes ME a "professional", is that I get paid for it and it's my job.
Other than that I'm the same as any other artists out there.
Here’s what my art teacher told me to do so i don’t have to struggle with “the other eye”. Just draw both eyes at the same time, it makes them both pretty damn similar and helped me so much with my art.
Imagine combining all these art tips and having a character with hair with a million strands, eyes with 10 different light sources coming into them, and a pose with 5 feet facing different directions.
The line weight one was super useful, I never thought about the gravity of things in lineart, I guessed it was about the light source, shadows etcetera, but never about gravity! I have to test it out and see how it works, it looks like something I would love to improve more in my style! :D
I felt that skit with the bones of my soul
i rlly like those subtitles, it helps me understand what u're saying, i'm kinda bad at english lol
That line weight one was really helpful! I remember when I first learned about line weight when I was younger every site kinda just showed you what line weight was not how to use it lol
I don't do lineart now but when I do manga that'll be really helpful, in general my issue with art videos are just how new artists could be misconstrued by bad/personal advice which touts itself as if it was THE way to do it. Admittedly I'm always just kinda skeptical about art videos in general haha
A friend of mine explained line weights to me, and it does take a while to understand how it works 😅
The worst part about learning (or trying to) art is that you have no idea what advice is good, and what advice is absolute dogshit.
My art teacher hated my drawing process because she said it was “too messy” and “how can you possibly make something with all the lines?”
I use a lot of lines in my works to figure out curves and angles to get the right dimensions. The result is a bit messy, but by the time I get the final lines down and erase the other marks, you can’t tell.
She wanted me to stick with HER way of sketching.
Yaaass a ne video! I'm super excited
Hope you like it!
my brain associates your voice with art, now anytime im drawing its just your voice describing what part i gotta do next
That sounds so comforting!
@@MohammedAgbadi youd be surprised at how much it helps me draw actually
i tried teaching someone once but they were really frustrating to work with and we both ended up being frustrated at each other
11:40 the hair equivalent to the "draw the rest of the owl" meme
I like to believe that the hair one is more performance than practicality. The vegalia one is meant for her loc brushes although the basic structure s are the helpful bitd
Anybody can share their knowledge. The "teaching license" thing has more to do with psychology and having proper training for managing a classroom, accommodating different types of learning disabilities and stuff.
At this point I only take advice from 3 places; 1. Top industry professionals, 2. Reference, 3. Paid tutorials from reputable, top industry professionals.
If art in VFX or videogames is your thing, check out Gnomons workshop, their tutorials are pricy but you'll learn more in a week than if you attended a semester of university.
Ngl that last tip literally just helped me out 👁️👁️
I always struggled with where to place the shading on the hair, so good job to that person👍🏾
I’m an artist but I never struggle with the other eye, because I draw them at the same time (a tip for artists who struggle with it)
The first hair advice is particularly stupid because it only works specifically for people with really smooth and black hair. And if it's an all-pencil drawing.
So what you're saying is, it's actually not stupid...
If the person has really smooth black hair and all pencil 😜
The thing is, that vid can actually be helpful for people that art doesn't come more naturally too, but want to have an interest in doing it anyway.
They would later drop all the 'sillyness' part of it when it becomes more natural and muscle memory.
Not everyone works the same way.
The parts people missed here is that it does actually show flow and help with shape and form.
A lot of people are thinking it's "stupid" because they heard it was bad from this video because it's "just hair"😉
Some people really struggle to get their head around hair, and need that bit extra explanation to get it.
There's no real right and wrong.
That's something more ACTUAL teachers need to figure out too.
Mine included 😁
Your arguments hold no weight. A piece of art advice that barely has any versatility whatsoever can't be called good advice at all. The explanation in the short video itself wasn't particularly good either. There's probably better hair tutorials even on Deviant Art.
You'll learn one day instead of taking crap advice from crap tik tok videos. Peace.
@@HystericalDark I mainly work digitally now, a lot of advice I would give on digital art processes wouldn't carry over to traditional art, which makes it totally not versatile too.
Does that make advice I would give wrong too then? I have a whole portfolio that would disagree.
Lots of people work differently. And lots of people learn even more differently, it doesn't mean it's wrong.
(Just a heads up, my argument actually holds around 18 years of professional level experience of weight, including leading teams of pro artists, and working on Disney/WB/marvel/DreamWorks projects. You might want to check on that before you give that kind of response. 😉)
@@grandmasterj5 except that not really? What I've meant is that this only work FOR SMOOTH HAIR IN TRADITIONAL ART, is different from teaching someone how to draw smooth hair traditionally BUT in different circunstances (wet, during a windy day, etc.). What do you think someone's gonna do with that tutorial anyway? It doesn't even help for different hair lenghts. But yeah sure because you're "professional", you're the one who's correct. Gimme a break.
@@HystericalDark
It does work for that particular style though.
Other hair types would require different tutorials. This doesn't make that video wrong or "stupid".
Btw, you can actually use the same base shapes for other hair styles AND colours to concept out the flow of hair, even for curls and dredds. Flow and weight are important for hair. Then after comes style adjustment and lighting.
You also CAN use black as values, even if just to concept light sources.
Go and watch David Finch's latest stream to see what they do with black and white values for what ends up being Black Widow's red hair.
You might learn something there.
You're welcome 😁
As for saying it "doesn't work for different hair lengths", this is one lock of hair, repeat it next to each other and you create flowing waves in the hair.
Take away the slightly awkward process they used, and the actual initial shape is the same as I and many other comic artists use.
I've recently used a similar concept for a fanart picture of X-Men's Rogue.
And yes, my comment about being professional did make you wrong, about the weight of my argument and about the fact that I'll "learn one day instead of taking crap advice from tik tok"
In your reply you assumed I'm inexperienced, so yes, in this case you were very wrong 😉
I've been illustrating many different styles for around 25 years, and happy to say that I'm still learning all the time and still enjoying it.
And yes, I've even ok to ait that I e even learnt a thing or two from random tik toks 😆
Learning artwork with, and teaching to others requires an open mind. Something you seem to be lacking right now.
I hope you learn this before giving out any artistic advice to people though, otherwise you're just as bad as my school art teachers when they said they didn't like my art style and that it was "rubbish" 😆
They had particularly closed minds to other things too, and you're sounding very similar right now 😉
I almost quit because of years of their comments. Turned out they had no clue what they were doing and were just bad at teaching.
Because I've had to teach different people, beginners and professional, I now fully appreciate that different people sometimes have to learn in different ways.
Because it doesn't work for you and is different to what you might do, doesn't mean it doesn't work for others.
shortcuts with art can be extremely helpful , unless your the kind of person to make your shortcuts have 10+ useless steps that really just overcomplicate things .
I actually think the advice first most in the video, with all the shapes for the body, is the most helpful in this entire video, actually.
Just drawing a body is an impossible situation for me otherwise. I need to take that time, because without it, I'm just guessing.
I can't visualize images in my mind, so using simple shapes even I can create as a guideline is abnormally helpful. It's probably the only technique I could use to even sketch a character effectively in the first place.
I don’t know what kind of videos you guys were watching, but personally, taking advice from other artists really helped me.
Although, that may be because I was watching professional artists on UA-cam instead of Instagram or TikTok, and looked for stuff on perspective, anatomy, proportions, etc.
To be honest the way you criticize these people they could criticize you, too. I think all tutorials there are great helps to learn. Every artist starts differently so some like the more complex ways of drawing and others the easier way and others just draw. Every way is great and not wrong at all. You say for example drawing hairs like that isn't needed but others like drawing it like that. Maybe because they want to draw hair that way. Don't take art to seriously! In the end also the artist should have fun drawing the pictures and not only them who will see them!
I don’t have any meaningful comment, so I’m just gonna say I absolutely love the choice of background music in this video
the second you mentioned "Everybody on TikToK and Insta thinks. . " I was like
yeahh not surprised. lol Keep up the FIRE
hahahah i'll do my best!!
a tip for drawing the other eye: instead of drawing one eye completely and then trying to copy it on the other side, draw both eyes one piece at a time. one line left, same line right, etc. until done with both.
That last one is interesting, because if you don't have a good understanding of highlight, shadow, and color to create a hair texture, you're essentially using tools to FAKE IT. It really just looked like someone scribbled some dark shadows some light shadows, then with a few brushes blended it & added texture, that from FAR AWAY looks okay... I mean if I'm not able to zoom up in a jpg to see what they did, it might look okay.
I think it can be great if it's used for a quick study for light because if you're just doing a study you don't need as much precision. So just dropping some color in and blending it a bit to get an idea of how you want the light/shadow to go or the shape using that last hair technique looks like it can get things blocked in quickly.
Though, I'm not a digital artist. -_- I'm a traditional one. So the last one looks appealing for 'speed' but I'm not satis
fied enough with the result for me to adopt it if I were trying to learn how to digitally illustrate realistic hair using layers or blending. I'm not sure I'd be happy with it every time I used it because ... there's more concerns I have in regards to how you might not want that kind of texture for the type of illustration, or how it might be too detailed if you're doing something that's more cel shaded. Idk.
Sorry I write so much. I just am thinking out loud. I'm a hobbyist mostly so it's not like I've got the best education and experience for this - it's only an opinion of how a traditional art hobbyist sees this.
I'm not *professional artist* I'm still kinda a beginner I've been drawing for five years but when I started drawing I started using TikTok to help me even though I was already good *BIGGG MISTAKE*..
Another thing I learned not to do off of TikTok or really any social media, don't follow people's color theory/shadeing, because then you'll get used to the same shadeing, same colors, because if your drawings light preservative is from the other way than you usually do it and it'll be hard to but lighting and shading that way ( this is usually for beginners, that's just what I had trouble with not saying anyone else has trouble
But thanks for this because I still watch some videos without spotting the mistakes so this was helpful, have a great day!
Half of this probably makes no sense but...
I have been struggling with dynamic poses for the longest time, because everybody suggests the wireframe method for learning torsos. But that was always difficult for me because doing the different shapes for the hips and ribs always threw me off because of the collarbone, trapezius, and pectorals. But that one guy who did the dolls gave fantastic advice. I am glad I found a much easier way to distribute weight in my poses and properly weigh the anatomy of my poses just with a few simple lines. It lets me construct the anatomy from scratch rather than building off of an ambiguous circle. Definitely got me out of a rut in my artwork
6:00 thanks for reminding me that the drawing I just finished and posted on Instagram had the eye gloss on the wrong side 😰
For the "lock brush" one of just find a fake cloud brush or a blood brush, something that has different opacity type splotches on the edges like she was using.
Bad art advice doesn't come from unlicensed art teachers. It comes from people who absolutely don't understand what art is :D
ok but like-- the camera quality is just *muah* amazing-
Hey!!! At 11:23 that artist made that video for people *who have already bought her brushes* and was not meant to be taken as "art advice" since is just to show people how to use her brushes. She posted about it on Twitter, no hate at all but that's just not what her video was for
The hair tutorial was a tutorial for someone who draws realism/ultra realism… you can’t simply a tutorial of something that’s supposed to look like an alive picture
Tip #2 was super duper solid, had to try it immideately, works like a charm!
Bro my art teacher sucks, she doesn’t even teach us herself, she shows UA-cam tutorials on how to draw faces but everyone’s drawings just looks the same.
What kinda school you go to? They probably don't prioritise art much in their curriculum which is a shame if so
@@lewa3910 I go to a private school, a Montessori school.
I feel like a lot of these tips meant for beginners (or "anyone") dont take into consideration that people who are just getting started are likely struggling the most with figuring out the ideal movements and getting used to leading a pen or brush in a way that feels natural. A lot of it is simply muscle memory and of course practise. So when they try to imitate a lot o these tutorials focusing on anatomy and shapes and what not, I imagine it's quite frustrating because even if you understand everything that is said, your drawing wont look like the reference. And then you're left wondering what you did differently.
I love your videos and the dry humour.. I've found the best way to improve your art, is doing sculpting or 3d art. Because it exposes your flaws. 2d art is very forgiving, no wonder Michelangelo was so full of himself.
To be honest, I kind of liked the brush part about that mathematical hair drawing.
I didn't think about shredding my pencil and using the brush to paint with the coal.
5:18 the pause 💀
2:07 I get why a tutorial like this would help someone learning how to draw. But even when I was learning I thought these "tutorials" were super annoying... like I'm drawing to have fun and now I have to calculate the distance and draw tons of triangles, squares, etc. this is useful when you're drawing something super complicated, but a simple body... bruh I literally hate guide lines.
12:23: Highlight using a lighter shade
Just think about that. I never could’ve came up with such a brilliant observation.
Tbh it all depends on how you draw! Art has no set rules so my best advice is to study and experiment and see what agrees with you and goes with your art style!! Besides some basic principles that can elevate any style of course, the foundations of art r always important
YES MY ARTSTYLE IS NEVER SEEN ONLINE I DONT EVEN KNOW IF SOMEONE ELSE USES THE SAME ONE
it’s actually so hard to follow advice but if you really want advice what I do is go to a GOOD art teacher and they can teach you based on your artstyle :)
Drawing the 2000-shape skeleton helped me as a beginner, but once you get used to it you should be able to eliminate most of those shapes until you get down to just two lines and a circle.
6:05
step 1: outline the hair
step 2: draw the rest of the hair
I loved the bit at the end, it reminded me that i acctually really enjoyed, I subscribed!