Bones SPF vs Slime Balls - Wheel Comparison for Transition
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- I was getting wheel bite with my 64mm G Bones wheels, and people seem to love the Bones SPF so I picked up a set of the largest size (60mm) to see how they perform. The result: the Bones SPF 81b wheels are fast! I don't feel fully comfortable on them yet, mostly due to the reduced size of the contact patch, but I think I just need some more time on them.
This video is the first session I had on the Bones SPF wheels, and on the very first outing I was visibly higher and faster.
White Deck Setup:
Deck - Black Label Lucero Cross, 10" wide with 16" Wheelbase
Trucks - 169 Indy Titanium stage 11
Wheels - 60mm Bones SPF 81b
Bushings - Bones hard
Black Deck Setup:
Deck - Powell Pool Ripper Flight Deck, 9.7" wide with 15.4" Wheelbase
Trucks - 169 Indy stage 11
Wheels - 60mm Santa Cruz Slime Balls 97a
Bushings - Indy 90a medium
36-year-old learning to skate transition here; thanks for the great information and demo. Love the introductory summary of your thoughts. Thanks for helping me pick out some new wheels, bud.
Glad this helped man!
I know exactly how you feel about the contact patch on the bones wheels, I went through the same thing, I can feel that they will slide if I wanted them to but I don’t really do wheel slides and also skate a lot of wood parks which are more slippery than concrete. I found the perfect solution for me was 58mm 99DU Spitfire Formula 4 full conical. They have the wide contact patch & grip and are every bit as fast as bones spfs . That bowl looks awesome too, great skating 👊🏼
Wish I had a wood bowl to skate where I live now. We don't have anything indoors, so if you want wood you have to build it! I used to live right next to Wonderland in Copenhagen and I'd walk over in the morning, unlock it, and have the place to my self when I was just starting to learn to ride the bowl. Really enjoyed the forgiveness of the wood when I fell, but it was definitely a lot slicker surface to ride on, so another wheel would be a necessity for me if I got to ride wood again. If you ever get a chance to ride in the Copenhagen/Malmo scene, I highly recommend it.
They have some amazing spots. I was lucky to be in the middle of it for a couple years! ua-cam.com/video/sLcSOzQY9Oo/v-deo.html
@@ElderSkates very cool ! I’ve been to Denmark when I was about 12 didn’t skate but we did happen across a Skateshop but I have no recollection of exactly where it was. I haven’t been to Sweden but I’d really like to go to Vert Attack in Malmö one year if I can.
I love skating the wood bowl near me, it’s just a 5 minute walk away and semi indoors as the park is under a bridge. So it’s dry when it rains but not hot and sweaty in the summer.
The spitfire wheels definitely cover both wood and concrete, I don’t think I could ever use anything else now 🤣
@@ElderSkates Why were you in Denmark and Sweden if I may ask,I may self live in Sweden.
I move around for construction projects and ended up in Copenhagen for a while. It was a fantastic experience. Really lucky to have had it.
@@ElderSkates Okay sounds great,is skateboarding the same in Scandinavia as in us?
softer wheels with more patch are just easier on your lower back at 56. These are the kinds of adjustments that will keep you skating and healthy longer between the inevitable injuries.
How soft do you ride?
@@ElderSkates ive taken up the 95a 60mm and 56mm slimeballs even though I'm not crazy about pink. The narrower patch has advantages for sure but just coming down on hard wheels fries my lower back after one sesh. There's a lot of stuff I won't do anymore its just not prudent if I want to skate all the time. I've made adjustments in what I surf as well.
Thanks for sharing Richard. This will be something I keep in mind as I progress
love your setups man, keep going!
Appreciate the kind words!
Slimeball 88a (89?) were/are my all-time fave. MAN i love their scream. And just ... feel.
The slimeballs were my favorite for a long time. But some guys put me on to some 81b and 84b wheels (Bones and Powerflex) and I can't believe how grippy they can be while still being so hard and fast. So I've moved to those, but slimeballs are still pretty awesome!
I ride both wheels, Black Lable supporter since 1988!!! Yeah buddy.
Can't go wrong with the combo Joe! By the way, where was that Vans Combi bowl you skated a couple years ago? That looks amazing!
@@ElderSkates Huntington Beach 'Reverse Combi' @Vans sk8 park! It's one of my top 5 sk8 parks, its sooooo smooth .🤙🏽
@@joerodriguez1797 your clips from there are awesome. I need to hit that some day!
I've been riding 58-60mm wheels since 1986 (not the same set....😃) and haven't used risers since 1989 . I hated Bullet 66s , T-Bones and all those tall wheels of the era , i wouldn't have used them if they were free. I ride loose trucks but rarely have wheelbite ; good concave gives enough clearance with narrow wheels (SPFs are my favourite for several years now) . The exception to this is my ancient G&S Teamrider I've owned since i was 14 (1979!) with Tracker Fultracks ; it has reissue red Kryptonics and ¼" risers because the deck is flat and the wheels are wide . Also when soft wheels bite , the REALLY bite 😃
Jimmy, all those are excellent points. Thanks for sharing the knowledge. I know it will help me in future selections. Hope it helps others as well!
Very welcome mate . My comments come with the caveat that i know exactly what this set up feels like ; anyone with less hours on the 'tape is probably best setting up for zero bite .
sorry I missed you last saturday. I love how loud the super hard wheels are. I have the powerflex 60mm. the hardest they make i think (84b)? my opinion is you will find 60mm to be right. fast and no wheelbite with .25 riser. wheelbite is a great way to get hurt. should be able to skate in a couple weeks. on vacay then work travel. Love when i catch ur vids early
you're spot on for the .25" riser. I'm not even close to wheel bite now, so looking to loosen up the truck and get some tighter turns now. It's strange how 60mm feels small to me now after riding the 64mm for so long, but was really pleased with their speed and the really solid feel. Have a nice vacation, and just ping me when you get back in town man. I'll be doing as much early morning skating as possible in the future months as the summer temps roll in
1/ 2'' risers with 60mm wheels over here. I am getting old and heavy! : P
I love old school wheels but I am now converted to the Spitfire F4 urethane (Full Conicals)
I feel you on the old and heavy! Since this video I'm pretty much just riding my 60mm 81b or 84b wheels. Loving the hardness on the smooth concrete. I hear great things on the Spitfire F4 but I haven't seen them for sale at 60mm. Glad you found some!
MAN ...LUCERO'S ARE AWESOME BLACKLABEL
The Eric dressen hardlines are amazing. They grip those corners in the bowl and added with Bronson bearings you haul ass!
I'll have to add those to the list for when I need some new equipment, thanks!
Just ran across this - I've been running the same setup since 2011. (Time to rotate my wheels) I've only been to my local skateshop twice in this time, so i had to look up what the B durometer scale is. So you're comparing 97A wheels to 101A (81B). The best wheels I've ever ridden were 97A Kanoa Rollouts. Had 'em in '79. PERFECT for the Masonite riding surface of our ramp. I'm on 90A Rat Bones and have a set of 88A Street Cubes that have seen less than an hour of use.
I hope you've been taking care of your body - you're gonna want to be able to skate in your 60's...
Better than I do. (63)
63, that's awesome sir!
This was a fun video for me, and I had a chance to run through a few variations of wheels since this. In the end, I decided on a couple different setups based on rough vs smooth vs painted surfaces, and I'm happy enough. But I hope I can stay in good enough condition to still be going in my 60s like you!
Great comparison on your bad ass set ups G. Slimeballs have always been o.g. but Bones look properly faster.
Appreciate the comment Joshua. It's surprising how grippy the bones spf is when they are so hard and fast. They really are a great wheel.
I actually was just given a set of bones spf 84b wheels last week, so I'm going to compare them to the 81b and see what's up.
You are lucky to have such a massive bowl all to yourself.
My local skate park is swamped with kids everyday.
Very lucky that this bowl is almost always free early in the morning. I usually skate somewhere between 7 and 10am and kids seem to be sleeping still ;)
get out there about 8am and i bet its a ghost town
I rode those( both of them ) for years , loved the slime balls even if they slow you down a bit , Bones are amazing but they need more finesse and control plus on iron ramps they are deadly, I suggest you the Natas OJ 95a , they are a good compromise between those two!
Really appreciate the suggestion. I'll need to try those.
@@ElderSkates Fellow older speed / newbie transition skater, can confirm on the Natas OJ's. The 95a is great for my town, which has nasty, nasty concrete, and the Natas's handle that shit great
@@FuckBalls64 a question for both of you since you had such a good recommendation! I'm looking at OJs with 92a and 95a. The 92a is a limited issue and I haven't seen anyone else with that durometer. What would you get?
@@ElderSkates I once noodled with a set of 92as, only once though, they felt very, very nice and rolled over rough ground like a dream, but 92as would make it considerably more difficult to powerslide, do very technical tricks with, go VERY VERY VERY fast in transitions, and for me they made pebbles a bit more of an issue. I've hung up on pebbles, instant 0mph, end of your life many more times on softer wheels than I have on harder wheels.
It's an area of hot contention, but on my end, I find that the harder a wheel, and the faster you skate, the more likely pebbles are to fuck off. I'd ask as many people as possible about durometer vs pebbles specifically though, that one specifically seems to be differing opinions between different folks.
!!!!! ua-cam.com/video/29co2ZAfJ7A/v-deo.html !!!!!
Nice video, and I really appreciate that you make the effort to give the full details of your set-ups! I've always felt drawn to having a wider contact patch as well. I've been trying the bones SPF's (84B) recently (Because I wanted a 60mm harder wheel) and I like them, and I think I can get used to the narrow contact patch. They seem a bit grippy for such a hard wheel, but I haven't put much use on them. I Also tried some NFG manufacturing wheels--their "V" shape has a wide contact patch compared to Bones SPF, I recommend. Nice carving man!
Appreciate the support tetra! I haven't seen the NFG, I'll have to look those up
Not a big difference. I just got the same wheels, slime balls, orange 60mm 97 hardness & they haul ass. I like the Wideness, feels stable
Woo this should be a good one just started I'm a slime ball guy 🔥 the Lucero decks look sick like the one with your logo 🙏 these shaped bowl decks look so amazing i want one so bad the one I have for the bowl is a cheapie from amazon. Interesting on these bones I love the slime ball vomits so much it's hard to choose but might have to try these out as well..
Man that transition looks pretty steep
The transition at this park is really smooth with a big radius, which really helps with building speed so you can get up to the steep part :)
I love the Lucero decks, but the "emergency" deck doesn't go on sale often. But they have them right now so if you're interested in a big deck, 10" wide and a 16" wheel base, go grab one from blacklabelskates.bigcartel.com/products
This bowl is so long! Pretty Rad. You have a nice lines in it. Agree 💯 on the contact patch stability. Where did you find the Bones wheels?
16 inch! That is gnarly. I don't know what my longest wheelbase is. I am going to check my two Welcome boards and see. I will also check the board I am riding for the next video. I too am going to do a little wheel talk and comparison in my next video. I will message you some picks of the board I am riding.
This is the biggest bowl around. 10' at the highest, about 5' at the lowest, great and consistent transition, just awesome overall.
I tried my local shop for the wheels but they didn't have them so ordered from Tri Star (Cleveland skate shop). They actually weren't that easy to find so I was happy to get them. I'm curious if the 84b hardness would have been too much, but these are great so far.
And I've ridden a few different wheel base lengths now and I feel I need over 15". Anything shorter and my front foot shifts past the bolts and I run the risk of nose diving while pumping in the corners... it's happened too much already! Scars all over the ankles from it ;)
@@ElderSkates agree 15 is good. I do have some Welcomes that are 14.5 that I use for both street and transition but I have never actually measured my bowl boards.
I sent you a picture on messenger of what I am currently skating for the next video and a short clip.
I’ve ordered the Bucky Lasek 58mm SPF wheels to go with his new “Flight” Tortoise deck I ordered 11/1 and received without grip tape in box. So now gotta order a piece of grip tape to see how these wheels perform on the same type surface. I have many pair of Spitfire wheels and Bones SPF are the 2 types I’ve been skating this last decade!#🛹❤️#PowellPeralta#SPF#BuckyLasek#”Flight”Series#BonesBrigade#Tortoise”Dino”Deck#SpitFire#IndyTrucks
The spitfire wheels are nice too but I think you'll live your new 58mm spf. As long as you're on smooth concrete, they're amazing!
Great video brotha hope the rib heals up soon I've had some slippage problems before with the slime balls super scary haha
Cool to see a guy my age who skates big wheels too. I'm skating 65mm/97a Slimeballs on a Vision Psycho Stick. I want to try a set of Bones wheels, but I'm kind of stuck on OJs and Slimeballs.
After trying lots of wheels, I only find a few things that matter for my skating. Big/hard wheels means fast, and soft wheels are for graffiti / paint. I hear great things about the OJs, so your probably riding what you like already!
@@ElderSkates It's kind of a bummer to try to find wheels over 60mm that aren't soft wheels. Very few companies make them. They were prevalent in the 80s when I started skating. My first board had 65mm Bones wheels on it. Definitely nothing beats the speed of a big hard wheel. Even in the streets.
@@mikecynic5167 I know they're making the powell dragon wheels in the 64mm size now. I think in both hardness (92a and 93a) They would be the next wheels I want to try out. Just haven't done it yet.
@@ElderSkates That would be cool, I'll have to check them out.
back in the day all the poser kings had a psycho stick. idgaf now but that deck came out during visions sell out phase and all the real skaters turned our backs on vision completely. mark gator was a db which he double stamped by killing his gf for no good reason shortly after.true story there are videos on here about it
Dude I know where that park is😂😁 Imma follow rn
Dude........what state are you in? that park is sick asf bro. looks like alot of fun and has flow for days man. Imi,mealous over here in stl MO big time. its funny actually a random guy at our local skatepark had the same deck and wheels because i told him i had a more old school approach to skating and he let me ride it and pump around the park on it and the deck, truck and wheels s,p,f, (skate park formula) were smooth and fast. Thanks for the video brotha its greatly appreciated
I'm pretty lucky in Atlanta, GA. We have some great bowls to skate. This one is near Stone Mountain.
It's been a while since I did this video, but I still love the SPF wheels and the big decks! Fast and stable :)
Is there an Elder Skates big sticker like that? I'd love to put that sticker on some blank decks I'm eyeing. Also thanks for video. Super helpful and the details in these descriptions are super helpful as well.
So I did a couple of shirts and sticker options since a few people have made a request. I haven't ordered from Redbubble so I can't speak to the quality of their stuff, but the products from Spreadshirt (which is sold through Storenvy) is great quality. If you want something in another color or size, just text me and I can probably set it up quickly. I just haven't done much of this yet so I don't have a big selection. And I really just did it for myself because I get a kick out of being the old guy at the park, but happy to share ;) Here are the 2 links:
www.storenvy.com/stores/1307263-elder-skates
www.redbubble.com/people/ElderSkates/shop
Well, now i know. Definitely, 97a. I dont want to break a tooth, again
What Riser size would you recommend for 60mm wheels and indy standard 55mm trucks? I will be riding my Trucks quite tight getting back into skating from a 20 year hiatus.
With tight trucks you could get away with an 1/8" riser, but I would recommend 1/4". This will give you room to loosen the trucks overtime while not having to get used to a different height.
And welcome back! Get some wrist guards and have some fun!
If you ride hard bushings or tight trucks, just 1/8. You can check by leaning the board all the way over standing still, and check the gap with your fingers. If you ride soft bushings or loose trucks, or your wheels bite with the above setup, then 1/4. Also, 1/4 feels more teetery, but carvy, and the 1/8 feels more centered, yet slightly less carvy. All preference, but try each setup: risers are cheap.
Greetings from Johannesburg, SA. Could I ask silly question. Is that bowl in your OWN back yard? No ways if it is. Its awesome!!! Im 43 and still skate. Trying to teach my 6 year old but he just isn't as "co-ordinated" as I was at his age. The sport keeps me feeling young. Also busted 2 ribs once dropping into a vert ramp. Took mine 6 months to heal. Skate or Die! Stay cool man. Cheers
I wish that was my backyard!!!
I feel you on trying to skate with y9kid. I've been trying to get my daughter into it as well, she's 5, and she's just not into falling and getting back up. But it's keeping me young too... For now ;)
@@ElderSkates okay awesome. Thanks for the reply. I feel better now knowing it isn’t your back yard. I was think, man, Tony Hawk isn’t even have THAT nice of a home ramp in the beginning (although we know he did) I remember watching VHS footage where he took everyone on a tour of his home when he was about 21 and had a wooden bowl that went almost all around his house. I’ll never forget that interview. Yeah my kid would rather play Minecraft or ride an electric hover board. Takes a lot of tough parenting to get the kids to detach from their devices. But my dream is to get him to skate with me one day, falling was part of the process but he falls once and he taps out thinking it’s game over. Will subscribe and watch more of your stuff. Cheers dude!
Hey mate, did you end up comparing the 81b to 84b? I’m on the fence as to which ones to get. I’m kinda thinking 81’s. Mainly bowl and park skating for me. But maybe 84’s?? Ha.
Hey Chirezo, I did. Both are great wheels but when I had a choice on my new bowl setup I chose 60mm 84b. I have Bones SPF 84b and I also have powerflex rockcandy 84b, both 60mm. I ride both of those wheels more than any of my others now.
Hi, are the slime balls more or less agile or do they have quite the same turning behavior?
Regards, Max
It's subtle but the bones spf with the smaller contact patch turn a little better I think. But the slime balls are still good
Sick boards
I like sf4 and Orangatan skiffs lol. If skateparks were as nice as that just the f4s
I've hated the 81b SPF's, just go 84b or STF's 83b they are much more flatspot resident than any SPF's - Personally for the last 3-4 years I ride Spitfire Formula Four 99a and all I can say is that the hype is real! oh and btw: there is 62mm SPF's
Thanks for the opinions David. I was hesitant to try the 84b since 81b was already harder than anything I had ever ridden, so I'll have to check those out in the future. And I'm curious where you found a 62mm SPF, I feel like I looked everywhere and didn't see that size as an option. Can you share a link?
Hi which tricks make flatspot for Bones 81b SPF?
@@ElderSkates Hi i have both Bones SPF 84b/81b. And 84b has way less grip VS 81b
Thanks for the comment. That makes my personal preference easier to match. I think the 81b is about as slick as I want to go in a wheel
@@ElderSkates Actually im searching grippy super fast wheels alternative for slippery concrete and wood. And find already fast yet grippy wheels as Bones SPF 81b and Ricta Speedrings 99a(rapido urethane)
What did you think of the Powell Flight deck compared to the LUCERO?
Great question!
I love the rigidity of the flight deck. They hardly have any flex at all, which is awesome when pressing hard on the edge while carving. But the pool Ripper shape has a 15.5" wheel base (the Lucero has a 16" and that difference is noticeable to me at 6'2" tall). The pool Ripper also doesn't have much of a nose. This doesn't bother me much since I don't use the nose much. And both have a square tail which I really like for stability.
So the in the end, if the pool Ripper had a 16" wheel base I would probably ride it instead of the Lucero. That's just my personal preference.
Will bullet wheels work for bowl? Can anyone help me with that?
So, are you used to the Bones SPF now? Have you stuck with these or prefer something different. I currently have Dogtown K9 95a which are trippy and nice wide contact patch but I would like to see if I can get something faster
I haven't done the video on this but I have about 8 sets of wheels that I rode all on the same day. The short answer is that the Bones SPF are amazing on concrete and they and the Powerflex Rockcandy 84b are my favorite wheels. If you're on smooth concrete at a skatepark, the Bones SPF and the Powerflex are both amazing wheels.
those were and still are good wheels.if you are still using cheap bearings get nicer ones like bronson ceramics.i noticed a difference right from the start but after a month its night and day.i put my old bearings back on to make sure and it felt like i was rolling in mud. i am finding out alot of guys dont know they can clean their bearings they are not disposable lol
@@chrhadden I have Powell-perallta Park Rippers now so same formula as SPF with Bones Swiss bearings, love them
How do they compare to the G-bones? Debating getting a pair of those for a "punk nose pool" shape deck I just had printed with my own graphic on it.
I currently have the SPF 60mm 84b wheels and love them. Those with Swiss bearings is the dream!
HELLO !!! plz, how is the grip of the slimballs compared to the bones spf? THANK YOU
It depends on the surface but in general the slime balls have more grip. I use the slime balls at new parks where the concrete is still really slick, or at parks covered in graffiti spray paint, or on wood ramps. On regular concrete (not brand new and not too old and rough) I like the bones spf better. They roll faster and still have great grip on that type of surface.
Hope that helps?
@@ElderSkates yeaaahhh. thank u very much.
I’ve been skating the oj hard line elite 99a’s and I got a set of the bones spf 84b so not only is the contact patch smaller the wheel is hard af. It’s a mental hurdle for me…. I’m 50 lol
I have a few of the 84b now (56mm and 60mm) and I'm shocked at how well they grip while being so hard. So hopefully they work out well for you man!
How long do your deck last you skating vert? I’ve thought about getting multiple old school gonz deck bc of the availability.
Great question. Since I don't ollie, or land down stairs, etc. the decks last me aong time. About a year usually. I have multiple decks to ride different setups and see if I like something more than another. But not because I wear them out fast
If you do disasters/lipslides tricks with pop decks didnt last that long
You want to try a fast grippy wheel? Try OJ Team Rider 2 61mm 97a. Probably in my opinion the best wheel for bowl/pool. Concrete or wood. Super fast and grippy. Worth the investment. Try them out and let us know!
I've heard good things about that wheel. And the new dragons by Powell/Bones but I don't think the Dragons come in anything bigger than 56mm. Hopefully I can get my hands in the OJs soon!
@@ElderSkates Steve Peralta reinvented the wheel when he made the dragons. It’s a soft wheel that slides and is super fast. But I haven’t seen anything bigger than 56. Atleast a 58 would be ok on my Lucero with 169 Indy’s.
@@danielpabon375 I'd love to try them and I do have a set of 56mm 84b that rides ok. I just like the larger diameter in general so I wish they made those bigger so I could try them out. I love the speed of the larger wheels!
I started riding my 64mm G-Bones again recently with 1/2" risers and those are awesome for showing up at New parks and learning lines. I just like the bigger wheels ;)
@@ElderSkates I agree. That’s why the OJ Team Rider 2 61mm 97a are awesome in my opinion of course. I think 61 is that sweet spot between 60 and 64.
@ElderSkates I bought and tried the Powell Peralta dragons 60mm. After a few runs in a clover bowl they felt a bit sluggish. The wheels seem to absorb turns instead of whipping out of them. You're better off with what you're riding at the moment. Gonna try Oj ll 97a 58mm. Just got them, can't be any slower than the dragons.
I'm wondering about Rat Bones 60mm 85a Vs Slime Balls 60mm 78a for cruising
I don't cruise the streets or sidewalks much. But the bigger the wheel the smoother it is for me at rougher parks. I really like the 64mm G-Bones for rough areas. So if you don't mind 1/2" risers, I'd recommend going bigger diameter. But both wheels you picked are probably great too. Thst just my opinion for what it's worth.
For plush cruising you can't go wrong with the 78a slimeballs however the 85a ratbones are pretty nice too, maybe not as plush but with an extra wide contact patch the ride is pretty nice. Fun for park too.
I really don't understand the tail bone
That's a fair statement.
I had a Powell flight deck and I heard a lot about them razor tailing easily, so I got a tailbone. At the same time I started dropping in on pool coping. The half inch on the tail helped level the board a lot when dropping in, and because of that I kept using them. They really help with stability when dropping from pool coping. So a professional obviously doesn't need it, but it sure helps me out :)
There’s a few things in a previous video you stated that you kept your feet over your bolts if you go back and look at your video you’ll see that your rear foot is on your kick tail that’s not all that important main thing you need to do go to a half inch or three-quarter inch riser but the main or primary thing you’re blowing your bearings out because you’re not using Swiss bones they also make a Swiss bones although I don’t think they call them that ceramic bearings move to the Swiss bones you won’t blow them out and they’re much faster.
I missed your comments originally, but yes, I definitely have my back foot over the kicktail. I probably mis-spoke in this video on foot placement, but I think what I meant was that I have a fairly balanced (front to back) weighting on the board, and my front foot is just at the first bolt. This is a hold-over from my snowboarding days and carving hard on the snow pack. I've been trying to put more weighting on the back foot to help with kick turns, better pumping, and just better balance overall. Its helping, but its hard to get the muscle memory on this for me, so its a work in progress.
Appreciate the thoughtful comments Pat, sorry it took so long to get back to you.
Reminds me of the Twinkie bowl at Granite
Do the Slime Balls add any width to your truck width? I have Indy 139s and 8.5" Madnes Creeper shaped deck. That's a good fit for my current wide wheels with offset bearing as they add about 0.5 inch to the overall width but trying to find some harder wheels options that would also fit.
@Will John - Just went and did a setup and measured it to be exact.
The axle measured 3 1/2" from the edge of the baseplate. So that's the baseline for comparison.
The bones spf 84b wheels measured 8 1/4" from the baseplate to the outer edge of the wheel, and the 60mm slime balls were 3 5/8". So they wheels are only an 1/8" longer than the axle bit they are 3/8" wider than a normal shaped skate wheel. So double whichever measurement matters to you and that's the impact. So it's either 1/4 " total width gain or 3/4" total width gain.
And I did both measurements with a washer at the hanger. So it's a like for like comparison.
@@ElderSkates thanks so much for taking the time to set that up and measure. So if I've understood correctly then the Slime balls basically add a total of 1/4 inch to the overall axle width. So if I put them on my 8" indys the total width will come to 8 1/4 inch. Still a bit short of my 8.5" deck. Not too bad but might feel slightly unstable with that 1/4 difference. To confuse things further the shaped deck I have actually narrows to about 8" close to the trucks so maybe I'd be fine. Wow, it gets complicated. I might look for some Rat Bones or OJ elite combos as the bearing is offset and might fit better. Have you tried either of those?
@@wallimjamm haven't tried either of those wheels. All of them have a wide contact patch and I think they are all 97a so they should be similar I would think.
Best of luck, and let me know how it turns out!
@@ElderSkates I saw a good deal on some Dogtown K9 60mm reissue wheels in the end so went with those as they are 97a, wide and offset so hopefully will be a good fit and nice balance of grip and speed
V@@wallimjamm How'd those K9's work for you? Thinking of getting a set of the 60mm/97A.
hi, what do you say about the SPF after one year? i just got the 56mm ben schroeder, i'm gonna try them next friday! coming from cheap brazilian brand 90a 62mm
After a year riding these I have to say they're the best wheel I've ridden. Lately I've been choosing to ride a slightly softer wheel of I go to a new park where the concrete is still polished and slick, but for the most part the SPF wheels are good for everything. Grippy and fast on smooth concrete. The only place they don't work is old and rough concrete or pavement. On those surfaces they're horribly slow
@@ElderSkates yea i'm suffering. mines are 84b and i was feeling great then i got an unexpected slip. looking for 81b's now, but still riding them. i have to pay attention when push hard... but they are fast
@@juliosardella just fyi, I don't find a huge difference between the 84b and 81b. I can hardly tell which one I'm riding until I look.
@@ElderSkates well, then i need to change to spitfires full conical not bones. i'm too afraid to push harder
@@juliosardella hope all of this commentary helps. Getting your setup down for your local conditions and preferences is a huge win when you find it!
Javen seen a black label board in a long tim
WHAT SIZE TRUCKS ARE YOU USING?
I ride 169 Indys and Ace AF1 77. The Ace are my truck of choice right now, but they both work great for me on a 10" board. But I had to play around with the bushing setup for a while on the Ace to get them rideable. The Indys are easy, I just drop in a set of Bones hard bushings and it's good to go.
thinner contact patch should equal more speed. i was thinking of getting a laithe to machine some old wheels down and test it out. nvm it looks like you quit by now
alis sticker ? wow its from denmark..so cool :)
You're the first person to ever notice! Wonderland was right next to my apartment when I lived in Copenhagen. Albert used to open it up for me in the mornings so I could skate the bowl before work. ALIS is a special company!
@@ElderSkates so cool.. I lived in Copenhagen to but I moved to a town 3t km away from it. Yeah alis is a cult Danish company 😊
I wonder how will the 81b perform in a wood bowl .
I'll have a chance to try these out over the next two weeks. And I'll have the slime balls with me to be able to compare to.
@@ElderSkates did you try out the 81b in a wooden bowl? I did fine on a miniramp. It was actually really fast but there isn’t any carving on a mini ramp which is what I’m curious about.
Spf wheels sucked for me. I gave them to a kid at the skate park….I just picked up some ojs…the elite hardline. 58mm 99a fkn love them!
I've heard the Spitfires are a great wheel. And depending on the type of skating you do, I can see why people either love or hate the spf. In my opinion, they are too hard to skate anywhere except a skate park.
try spf 84b. they wont slip. spf is super grippy. the stf or 100's are the ones you dont want lol
after this video I was gifted a set of 56mm 84b SPF. You're right, they do grip really well for being so hard. I was impressed. But I also had a buddy that swears by the Poweflex Rockcandies which are also 84b but they have an inner core that's even harder. I got a 60mm set of those and have been trying them out in comparison to the 81b and 84b SPF. Still testing, but all of them are pretty awesome wheels, so no complaints about any of them when riding smooth concrete. But when I hit a rough patch, they aren't too nice. They get slow quick!
Haven't tried the STF, but it sounds like I don't need to, thanks!
@@ElderSkates i say get the 60mm spf 84b.and use the 56mm 84b SPF for your Forged Titanium Trucks. rough patches yes bigger contact patch helps there. also check these out expensive but probably worth it 1/8" Hard Real 3-Ply Truck Risers - Universal. i ride 90mm no riser on one of my boards with street trucks. they say to get shock pads/soft risers for you stresscracks. if you dont want to slow down and haul ass get the bones race reds but you will need a shit ton of speed cream they leak out fast. also i think you need double washers on the inside of the wheels by the hanger or go to hardware store get bigger washers. i think your bearings are hitting the trucks. but if not try no washer by the hanger and thicker washer by the bolt. the Powell Peralta Bomber 3 Skateboard Wheels 64mm 85a haul ass but might be too sticky for your grinds
@@ElderSkates Been using RockCandy84b and bones SPF 84b. Its amazing how much of a smoother ride the SPF's are. The RC's are great, and maybe a touch faster, but they pick up choke grit and pebbles and get super pitted. Still skate fine but the SPF's stay smooth and don't pick any grit or get all pitted. What is your experience/opinions with that?
Kawika, that's interesting. I rode the rock candies a ton but only in the park, so no rougher surfaces. I haven't gotten any pitting at all. However, they definitely feel harder and a little rougher (slightly) for the ride.
Lately I've been riding the 81b and 84b spf. They seem just a little smoother and a little slicker, but only slightly. And no pitting either, but for some reason they do seem that little bit smoother.
The rock candies do seem to pick up the micro grit so maybe that has something to do with it. So I think you have a point. But in the park, I still like them a lot.
@@ElderSkates Might have something to do with the machine finished grooves on the RC's. Thanks for the reply!
Slideability, rebound, smooth feeling, flat resistance,sound? Sorry but you need to do much more tricks to make a serious comparison. at least a power slide to see something about the wheel
will be helpful a new video :)
You need 1/2 “ risers looks like your getting wheel bite
With my 64mm G-bones I was getting wheel bite when I loosened the trucks. So I've gone back to the 60mm. I run 1/4" risers and they took a while to get used to the height, so I've opted for smaller wheels instead of 1/2" risers now.
Honestly your skill level doesn’t translate to a good review. You carve. This is a joke. Let better skaters do a proper review. You don’t even mention the diff between the a scale and b scale for durometer.this isn’t a review it’s the opinions of a beginner skater.
It sounded valid to me and I've been skating for 45 years . Its only opinions after all .
Yeah I don't know to many beginners that drop in and carve transition like he does. A beginner would be doing kick turns at a small bank. His videos are very helpful to me and to a lot of folks here who are skating at or around his level and are trying to improve. Folks who watch his videos obviously like to carve and are curious as to what wheel work best. You want a pros opinion on a wheel? Go for it, nobody's holding you back from the thousands of video available to you but to throw shade at this man's video content? Not cool dude. Skaters help each other not down each other.