@@wayne47able John wick, does a harai goshi, ippon seoi nage, kata guruma among many others theres a video out there detailing the judo/sambo that is used but there's alotta BJJ its a whole fusion of grappling styles
What you say about judo clubs after 20 is very true. I was surprised in Japan when I looked for judo clubs - I found lots, but they were all for kids! Very few adults in Japan start or continue judo it seems.
Just my opinion, BJJ is popular because the Gracie were slick when they marketed the art. With MMA becoming widely popular BJJ became the flavor of the month. Growing up, Judo schools were few and far in between, NOW I can count 10 BJJ schools in my area and only know of 1 Judo school.
Crazy hey? Bjj is much much stronger when it comes to marketing. IJF can learn a few things from them. The pb when uve been around for longer and are so big is that your not as nibble/agile to make ajustments to the times. I feel they got complacent and maybe too many old geezers at the top who are set in their ways. Things should change over time hopefully.
@@OGFITNESS part of the reason why is because the Japanese dont believe Martial arts is a business so they are against marketing, advertising, comercialization and basic business practices that bjj isnt afraid to use
It is crazy how popular bjj has gotten. Though the value proposition is heavily in Judo's favor if one only needs casual sport/hobby or self defense. It's way cheaper and works very very well in street self defense (even more so if you some boxing defense tactics). Bad a$$ery comes at a premium... bjj One of the reason's judo isn't promoted with the same vigor as bjj is that long ago it was decided judo should not be associated with thugs and criminals- so the image of a judoka must be of an upstanding person.
@@sliderx1897 Quite the opposite, popularisation of Kyokushin Karate has much to do with all this you said. Judo teachers around the world on the past were definitely all for those things also.
In the U.K. you can do “technical judo” meaning you don’t have to concern yourself with competition. It’s there if you want it but you don’t have to do it to be graded. I think this was a great idea from the BJA and is all about trying to encourage older participants to continue in judo or even start doing judo.
Arts like Judo, wrestling, boxing, Taekwondo and even karate are doing themselves a huge disfavour. Because there area a lot (AND I MEAN A LOT!) of guys over 20,30,40 and even 50 wanting to learn them. But those arts focus only on competitors and medals which kids are obviously the best pick for. But it's just a few % of those that get international level good at it so the rest usually leaves by the time they're in theyr early 20's. BJJ, Muay Thay, even kickboxing and MMA have a lot of adult classes where You can train and not get hurt badly at least so no wonder they're more popular and visited. So to the olympic sports it's theyr own fault for not going that route.
I like both arts; Judo and BJJ. In the upside I would say that BJJ gives more longevity in the sense that the focus of the art is not to throw you, focusing on the ground game. But on the Judo upside, I would say is more practical for street self defense.
Judo is more popular than BJJ, by far. I live in England, UK & pretty much every little town & village has a judo club within easy driving distance. BJJ seems to be getting more media attention because judo is not very popular in the USA, which is where a lot of media comes from. I also think BJJ's affiliation with MMA enables it to reach the attention of many people who do not even practise any martial arts - MMA has far more & arm chair fans & viewers than it does practitioners
Judo's numbers are inflated by kids practioners, is well know that in schools in Japan the time you need to practice it is quite small also, even if just unofficially so. I suppose is like soccer in my country schools. Honestly wouldn't trust much these numbers. MMA is definitely a spectators sport, don't see the problem with it. As for BJJ, is growing strong, and was capable in little time of carving a niche to itself and made itself a very prestigious martial art. While judo numbers are mostly a result of the Olympics programs and japanese\asian cultural soft power, also nothing wrong with it of course.
agree 100%, in terms of wrestling in the UK, the kids clubs are packed but there's only a handful of people in the adults class. It's hard to train as an adult in wrestling because of injuries and how everyone wrestles together as opposed to sparring with people your own size. I'm 80kg and am wrestling guys 120kg on some days, its brutal
Helio Gracie was by far the weakest opponent Kimura faced. According to newspapers published in Sao Paulo after the match, Kimura said, “I thought of throwing and choking out Helio in 10 seconds or so. But I toyed with Helio to entertain the spectators, instead.”. Iwao Kanetsuri (Kimura's student at Takushoku University Judo Club, 1971 All Japan Judo Champion), who has watched the entire footage of the match, testified in a Japanese TV program that Kimura caught Helio in choke or armlock more than 20 times at will but deliberately released them to entertain the spectators. In fact, Helio admitted that he had been choked out but was re-activated by Kimura during the match. So, Helio did not have the ability to last 13minutes 20 seconds. Kimura deliberately made Helio last that long. Kimura could have finished Helio at any time, and chose to finish Helio in R2 at 3:20. In May 1935, Kimura fought Ken-ichirou Oosawa at the 5th dan division championship. Oosawa reversed Kimura's Oo-soto-gari, and slammed Kimura's head onto the floor to score Ippon, rendering Kimura unconscious. Oosawa was the only man in history who made Kimura unconscious.
The problem I have with the Gracie's is they act like they invented new techniques but they didn't! gjj or bjj just spars more and concentrates on newaza. The Gracie's just call bjj. bjj is good but I wish they would give credit to the japanese genius who refined these japanese juijitsu moves .
Kimura was a beast, his student not so much, was took down and gave his back to Rickson, was defeated very easily. As for Helio, he has his win against Kato, and his draws against the same Kato and the likes of Yano and Ono brothers. He was quite successful against Judokas for all the 💩 people talk about him. His brother George Gracie was even more successful. Kimura's win over the Gracies was a outlier, a exception to the rule.
@@johnrambo4259 There's definitely things on BJJ that doesn't exist in judo. In the 50s BJJrs were already using double legs, and a kind that doesn't exist in judo, that is a double leg different of the Morote gari. The technical stand up is another that doesn't exist in judo, there is evidence of existing in capoeira before in BJJ, and was probably from where BJJ got. And judo definitely wasn't the only martial art the Gracies learned, they learned from the Brazilian Catch Wrestler Dudu, and George Gracie even became a catch wrestling champ 🏆. Dudu was also a Graeco wrestler, and there is photographic evidence of the Gracies training with the father of Luta Livre Brasileira Tatu Hatem. Is silly to believe that all about leglocks that the Gracies knew they learned from Judo given their training in Catch Wrestling and Luta Livre, and how much the relationship of judo with leglocks was brief and shallow. A proof of this is how BJJ itself with a longer and stronger relationship had to look for catch wrestlers help when leglocks became more popular. Anything that is strictly no-gi is definitely not from judo either. Also BJJ is fundamentally different for throwing away pin / immobilization fundament and putting a Mount and or Back Mount fundament in place. It's not different from the relation between kickboxing and karate, kickboxing definitely started with karate, but to say that there is nothing from outside of karate, and that there is no work in it or no new thing is just dishonest. Guys like Ramon Dekkers and Alistair Overeem are definitely not using just karate. And yeah regarding what you said about given credits, isn't like judo does it itself, most people know Maeda's name that they know the name of Kano's teachers or the name of their Ryu. So obviously a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
The reason why BJJ is more popular is because it gave birth to modern MMA and has a style that’s more conducive to a fluid transition into MMA. In Judo they don’t teach good habits that are conducive to fighting. For example, when a Judoka hits the floor he gives up his back out of fear of the ippon. When a BJJ guy hits the floor, that’s where the fight has just begun and many innovations to the guard emerged because of that. Also in BJJ most submissions are legal and you can attack the legs for a takedown. in Judo the submission game is very limited and you can’t attack the legs at all. BJJ gives you more ways to finish a fight and the Judo does not. Plus BJJ is more easily assessable than Judo is.
Pure BJJ guys outside of Damien mia Olivera get ground and pounded from their guard often. Judo still has the ground work and the urgency to get back up to your feet is better than BJJs overall tendency to stay on their back. Hence why wrestlers have dominated the UFC for quite some times now
Turning the back to avoid the ippon is just. A competition thing, like BJJ players pulling guard or butt scooting. Also, a BJJ players getting thrown to the floor is only tolerable because they're on an impact absorbent mat. In reality such a thing would injure or knock them out. It's where the fight would end, not begin.
Hmmmm... you think so? When i look on social media i get the opposite impression but you might be right, judo is international and its been around forever, maybe ita jist more popular among older guys. Hmmm.....
@@Howsoonisnow2009 , that is a lie. Judo is only popular to kids in Brazil. For adults it is 5:1 ratio in favor to BJJ. arquivo.esporte.gov.br/diesporte/2.html
Aluisio Fernandes da Silva Junior you’re correct and I was wrong. I recently learned that BJJ is more popular in Brazil. I didn’t lie, I was given wrong information before.
Jujitsu Brazilian in particular has a fun and youthful vibe to it. The fancy art on the rash guards, The carryover from surfing culture, etc. also Brazilian jujitsu has the popularity of MMA. Judo is still stuck in the 1960s karate formula. If there was a modern hip and cool no gi judo. Or if it was taught in schools then it would cookie pick up in the USA
Back in the day I trained in BJJ, but only for a few months because the drive to and from the training facility was a 180 mile round trip and it just got to the point that I couldn't afford the expense of paying for the gasoline and the monthly dues of the BJJ academy. Eventually I bought the "Gracie Combatives" DVD course and some roll out grappling mats and started training with my 2 sons at home. I'd love to train in Judo but there are no training facilities anywhere near me. I'm thinking about buying a Judo DVD training course or two, but I'm not sure which one(s) would be the best for training with at home. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Here's where i go to get Judo instructionals, I personnaly bought Jimmy pedro's Grip like a world Champion, and Elite Judo Basics (Nick Tritton, my coach). This is a goo place to start and possible to stay i believe. Osu!
Interesting presentation! Judo was the first MA I ever did. I had one day, lol I saw there was a night class at a high school pretty far from my home. I was maybe 14. So my dad took me to the class for us to do it together. He was so sore after that one class we never went back! The next time I saw it was in college when I was wrestling and some other student was doing it. I liked watching him do throwa. Now I know a few throws but that's about it.
Yeah Judo is pretty hard on the body, when your a kid your not thay heavy and much less stiff so falling and getting back up is no big deal but if you start later on in life it gets trickier for sure.
It's true.. also Judo is very aggressive and older people can't handle it BJJ is light and the market is for older people as you can do it as you can older .. but getting slammed on the mat after 40 is hard! Also competition wise the IBJJF has belts divisions ages master 1 2 3 4 5 etc.. Judo under IJF younger vs older. Also IBJJF has blue purple brown belt world champions etc.. which means technically that anybody can be a world champion even as white belt... that's why it is more a business.. Second to be a technical player in Judo takes a long time!... In BJJ it is easier to get good quick.. but in judo it takes a huge amount of time.
Yeah when i was a colored belts i was fighting young guys all the time, when i reached brown my coach put me into the masters division so i would have a chance and also not to stunt my progression.
Uhhhh. OG fitness. Not sure if you have googled this lately but 40,000,000 judokas world wide seems like a lot. All these new USA Bjj people think it’s more popular because they don’t know much about judo. Bjj is also Basically Just Judo. 😉. It’s trendy and cool. I appreciate what a good marketing job they have done here in the states. They have shined a light on both sports. So welcome all. ❤️
I don't get why BJJ isn't a "traditional" martial art. It's older than taekwondo and aikido and probably some more. They have ranks and uniforms so what's the difference? I'd be interested in doing BJJ one day but I don't have any time for that sadly
hmmm....... i don't think Bjj is older then Aikido and TKD, maybe your mixing it up with Japanese Jujitsu. But in any case, bjj was perfected in Vale Tudo fights, i.e. 'anything goes' fights, so it's has a bad boy persona to it as opposed to the more traditional ones. And if you ever go start practicing Bjj you'll see that the vibe is very nonchalant, chill, relaxed. Guys shit talk in class, make jokes, very friendly usually. That i think applies to most clubs, but i'm sure there are exceptions.
@@OGFITNESS i think bjj is a fee years older than aikido, but not by much... Atvleast aikido with the name aikido... Not sure if the aikibudo or however was it called before is older... And surely bjj is not older than daito ryu aikijujutsu...
You're a brave young fellow. Do you know how many people start Judo and achieve Shodan? Do you know how many caucasians that start bjj achieve Shodan? Do you know that a Kimura is just an ude garami and was taught to the Gracie's that incidentally achieved Rokudan before their kids decided they didn't like Judo's shiai rules?
I’m an older (42) and I found bjj hard bc all ground things, so someone with joint issues it’s hard. So other arts like jui jitsu were always my more liked arts. And yes I find martial arts and a lot of dojo’s are all about making money, like all other gyms
Thats true, its a little elitist i think, not very accessible to people who dont make enough money, thats why I have more respect for the overall structure of Judo, Judo is dirt cheap in comparison.
Leg grabs allowed, subs from standing allowed, different colours and qualities of gis, shorter learning curve, no dorky Japanese terminology requirements, after the ippon two points, the fight continues on the ground (despite what many may believe unless you get decent really ippon on the concrete not every single person is going to get knocked unconscious). More laid back atmosphere more direct MMA/self defense based applications (ie, getting out of bear hugs and headlocks etc) I could go on...
Oh yeah and I am a judoka who is a permanent resident of Japan and speaks the language fluently before you attack me. I'm just stating the obvious. The damn IJF ruined judo. The best judo is the west is the collier method.
judo is surely more popular than BJJ, I and many hundereds of thousands of peopole in some places in Europe and africa don't know BJJ they only know that their is Judo and when you tell him "BJJ is basicaly the art of ground work" they say thats just "half of judo"
@@DruidK9 glad I saw this! I don’t normally check YT notifications. I live locally too in fredericksburg and did judo with chuck on and off. He’s a great teacher. He doesn’t make you sign contracts or anything either so if you need or want to stop you can, easily. He’s also a bjj brown belt and former collegiate wrestler. Dudes awesome. After covid slows down I will be back there
@@Reddogg387 I’m glad to hear that. I’ve narrowed down my choices to two dojos, my only concern with Judo class is that in most of the advertising and social media, it looks like their classes are more geared towards kids and not adults. I’m 29 and a big guy, I want to be sparring with adults. What’s your take on that? Their BJJ classes look like mostly adults so that’s good.
@@DruidK9 which is the other dojo you’re looking at? Is it the KiM martial arts or something? Chuck is 100% the best judo sensei in this area. No offense to the others, but it isn’t close. As for judo, he mixes the classes with adults and older kids. In my experience, there’s always a smal group of adults at least. There were some big dudes there, like one guy was 300 lbs and another around upper 200s. I’m not sure if they are there anymore. I haven’t been since covid. But there were always adults. If you do go there, You get a free class too. It is Olympic based judo , so it’s maybe 80/20 throws to ground. He does include basic newaza tho which is great. I can’t say anything negative about chuck. I’ve come in for a month, left for a few, come back... repeat multiple times. And never once did I feel pressured or anything. There’s a local jits club in 22405 which is extremely cult like that makes you feel like you’re singing your rights away. Chuck is the exact opposite
BJJ is much easier on a large person's frame whereas Judo was developed for small people. Large people are extremely effective at Judo sparring and competition but have extreme difficulty pulling off the kata expectations. After Judo banned leg attacks it lost 100% of its crossover potential in MMA or street self-defense ultimately sealing its fate as an obsolete martial art in the United States
Respectfully judo is still way more popular in the world, this may not be true in US and a few other places but worldwide judo is huge. I started judo at 36 and still practice at 58. Judo is aimed at kids because it was designed as an education system not a self defense system even though it is pretty good at that too. The IJF is focussed on competition safety which Kano supported and because of this the deadly and damaging variants and techniques are often not shown to students. Bjj was designed for open tournaments similar to mma and markets itself heavily it is a business first and foremost and is more focussed on entertainment and self defence than competitor safety this is not so bad as it is typically aimed at more mature persons.
ahhhh ok ok , that was very insightful, i had a question regarding where's the atemi waza in judo and i think you just answered a big part of that question. Thanks Gerard, i'll have to make a video answering that question and adding my 2 cents to it also. By the way, i also started Judo at 36, im 42 now. Osu!
@@OGFITNESS Thanks my brother, I did karate for 7 years and have studied the martial arts and martial sports for my entire life, honestly think that the best defense is to not be there and if you are then communication is still more important, most of the benefits are for health and mental resilience.
His gonna say the UFC ain’t he, his totally gonna say it’s because of the UFC and how it showed how practical it is, I bet 0.1 dollars that’s what his gonna say.
BJJ isn't Olympic, and I wouldn't count on most lay people to know much about judo either. BJJ is a prestigious martial art between the people that know about martial arts, and deserved this prestige, the fact that they did it without the Olympics by private initiative is quite impressive.
I think its because for the most part Judo schools in North America only caters to kids and teens and not adults. Also Judokas do not promote their art properly unlike BJJ practitioners. And for some reason its hard to find a Judo dojo.
agree, Judo's marketing sucks, and they don't cater at all to adults, Bjj does those two things extremely well, i think Judo should also cater to the adults, not just on kids and olympics.
John Wick Is Bringing Judo Back..
Bro watch the OLD GUARD at netflix.. used judo moves more, no ground work..
Keanu Reeves trained with the Machado brothers for this film... That was all BJJ
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John wick, does a harai goshi, ippon seoi nage, kata guruma among many others theres a video out there detailing the judo/sambo that is used but there's alotta BJJ its a whole fusion of grappling styles
@@wayne47able he also train with the Collier Brothers. Even they are in Jhon wick 3
Oh yeah
What you say about judo clubs after 20 is very true. I was surprised in Japan when I looked for judo clubs - I found lots, but they were all for kids! Very few adults in Japan start or continue judo it seems.
I felt the same way!! I was practicing in one club once a week and was looking for another place to practice but decided to start karate instead!! lol
Lol
Just my opinion, BJJ is popular because the Gracie were slick when they marketed the art. With MMA becoming widely popular BJJ became the flavor of the month. Growing up, Judo schools were few and far in between, NOW I can count 10 BJJ schools in my area and only know of 1 Judo school.
Crazy hey? Bjj is much much stronger when it comes to marketing. IJF can learn a few things from them. The pb when uve been around for longer and are so big is that your not as nibble/agile to make ajustments to the times. I feel they got complacent and maybe too many old geezers at the top who are set in their ways. Things should change over time hopefully.
@@OGFITNESS part of the reason why is because the Japanese dont believe Martial arts is a business so they are against marketing, advertising, comercialization and basic business practices that bjj isnt afraid to use
It is crazy how popular bjj has gotten.
Though the value proposition is heavily in Judo's favor if one only needs casual sport/hobby or self defense.
It's way cheaper and works very very well in street self defense (even more so if you some boxing defense tactics).
Bad a$$ery comes at a premium... bjj
One of the reason's judo isn't promoted with the same vigor as bjj is that long ago it was decided judo should not be associated with thugs and criminals- so the image of a judoka must be of an upstanding person.
@@sliderx1897 Quite the opposite, popularisation of Kyokushin Karate has much to do with all this you said. Judo teachers around the world on the past were definitely all for those things also.
@@memysurname7521 unfortunately the japan karate association wasnt
In the U.K. you can do “technical judo” meaning you don’t have to concern yourself with competition. It’s there if you want it but you don’t have to do it to be graded. I think this was a great idea from the BJA and is all about trying to encourage older participants to continue in judo or even start doing judo.
I like that.
Arts like Judo, wrestling, boxing, Taekwondo and even karate are doing themselves a huge disfavour. Because there area a lot (AND I MEAN A LOT!) of guys over 20,30,40 and even 50 wanting to learn them. But those arts focus only on competitors and medals which kids are obviously the best pick for. But it's just a few % of those that get international level good at it so the rest usually leaves by the time they're in theyr early 20's. BJJ, Muay Thay, even kickboxing and MMA have a lot of adult classes where You can train and not get hurt badly at least so no wonder they're more popular and visited. So to the olympic sports it's theyr own fault for not going that route.
Agree, any combat sport in the olympics focuses on the young and up and coming.
I like both arts; Judo and BJJ. In the upside I would say that BJJ gives more longevity in the sense that the focus of the art is not to throw you, focusing on the ground game.
But on the Judo upside, I would say is more practical for street self defense.
Judo is more popular than BJJ, by far. I live in England, UK & pretty much every little town & village has a judo club within easy driving distance. BJJ seems to be getting more media attention because judo is not very popular in the USA, which is where a lot of media comes from.
I also think BJJ's affiliation with MMA enables it to reach the attention of many people who do not even practise any martial arts - MMA has far more & arm chair fans & viewers than it does practitioners
Judo's numbers are inflated by kids practioners, is well know that in schools in Japan the time you need to practice it is quite small also, even if just unofficially so. I suppose is like soccer in my country schools. Honestly wouldn't trust much these numbers. MMA is definitely a spectators sport, don't see the problem with it. As for BJJ, is growing strong, and was capable in little time of carving a niche to itself and made itself a very prestigious martial art. While judo numbers are mostly a result of the Olympics programs and japanese\asian cultural soft power, also nothing wrong with it of course.
agree 100%, in terms of wrestling in the UK, the kids clubs are packed but there's only a handful of people in the adults class. It's hard to train as an adult in wrestling because of injuries and how everyone wrestles together as opposed to sparring with people your own size. I'm 80kg and am wrestling guys 120kg on some days, its brutal
Helio Gracie was by far the weakest opponent Kimura faced. According to newspapers published in Sao Paulo after the match, Kimura said, “I thought of throwing and choking out Helio in 10 seconds or so. But I toyed with Helio to entertain the spectators, instead.”. Iwao Kanetsuri (Kimura's student at Takushoku University Judo Club, 1971 All Japan Judo Champion), who has watched the entire footage of the match, testified in a Japanese TV program that Kimura caught Helio in choke or armlock more than 20 times at will but deliberately released them to entertain the spectators. In fact, Helio admitted that he had been choked out but was re-activated by Kimura during the match. So, Helio did not have the ability to last 13minutes 20 seconds. Kimura deliberately made Helio last that long. Kimura could have finished Helio at any time, and chose to finish Helio in R2 at 3:20.
In May 1935, Kimura fought Ken-ichirou Oosawa at the 5th dan division championship. Oosawa reversed Kimura's Oo-soto-gari, and slammed Kimura's head onto the floor to score Ippon, rendering Kimura unconscious. Oosawa was the only man in history who made Kimura unconscious.
The problem I have with the Gracie's is they act like they invented new techniques but they didn't! gjj or bjj just spars more and concentrates on newaza. The Gracie's just call bjj. bjj is good but I wish they would give credit to the japanese genius who refined these japanese juijitsu moves .
Kimura was a beast, his student not so much, was took down and gave his back to Rickson, was defeated very easily. As for Helio, he has his win against Kato, and his draws against the same Kato and the likes of Yano and Ono brothers. He was quite successful against Judokas for all the 💩 people talk about him. His brother George Gracie was even more successful. Kimura's win over the Gracies was a outlier, a exception to the rule.
@@johnrambo4259 There's definitely things on BJJ that doesn't exist in judo. In the 50s BJJrs were already using double legs, and a kind that doesn't exist in judo, that is a double leg different of the Morote gari. The technical stand up is another that doesn't exist in judo, there is evidence of existing in capoeira before in BJJ, and was probably from where BJJ got. And judo definitely wasn't the only martial art the Gracies learned, they learned from the Brazilian Catch Wrestler Dudu, and George Gracie even became a catch wrestling champ 🏆. Dudu was also a Graeco wrestler, and there is photographic evidence of the Gracies training with the father of Luta Livre Brasileira Tatu Hatem. Is silly to believe that all about leglocks that the Gracies knew they learned from Judo given their training in Catch Wrestling and Luta Livre, and how much the relationship of judo with leglocks was brief and shallow. A proof of this is how BJJ itself with a longer and stronger relationship had to look for catch wrestlers help when leglocks became more popular. Anything that is strictly no-gi is definitely not from judo either. Also BJJ is fundamentally different for throwing away pin / immobilization fundament and putting a Mount and or Back Mount fundament in place. It's not different from the relation between kickboxing and karate, kickboxing definitely started with karate, but to say that there is nothing from outside of karate, and that there is no work in it or no new thing is just dishonest. Guys like Ramon Dekkers and Alistair Overeem are definitely not using just karate. And yeah regarding what you said about given credits, isn't like judo does it itself, most people know Maeda's name that they know the name of Kano's teachers or the name of their Ryu. So obviously a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
The reason why BJJ is more popular is because it gave birth to modern MMA and has a style that’s more conducive to a fluid transition into MMA. In Judo they don’t teach good habits that are conducive to fighting. For example, when a Judoka hits the floor he gives up his back out of fear of the ippon. When a BJJ guy hits the floor, that’s where the fight has just begun and many innovations to the guard emerged because of that. Also in BJJ most submissions are legal and you can attack the legs for a takedown. in Judo the submission game is very limited and you can’t attack the legs at all. BJJ gives you more ways to finish a fight and the Judo does not. Plus BJJ is more easily assessable than Judo is.
In my judo school we are taught to NEVER turtle up, on day one sensei literally said never give up your back
bjj is only more popular in the US lol
Pure BJJ guys outside of Damien mia Olivera get ground and pounded from their guard often. Judo still has the ground work and the urgency to get back up to your feet is better than BJJs overall tendency to stay on their back. Hence why wrestlers have dominated the UFC for quite some times now
@@Urmomma5f4t name a top Judo fighter in MMA right now. Because there aren’t many. BJJ guys do better at MMA than Judokas
Turning the back to avoid the ippon is just. A competition thing, like BJJ players pulling guard or butt scooting.
Also, a BJJ players getting thrown to the floor is only tolerable because they're on an impact absorbent mat. In reality such a thing would injure or knock them out. It's where the fight would end, not begin.
My brother learned Judo with me in San Diego, and he loves going to his neighbor’s bjj gym to choke or armbar the guys over there.
😂😂😂
Judo is way more popular outside South America and North America
judo is vastly more popular than bjj
Hmmmm... you think so? When i look on social media i get the opposite impression but you might be right, judo is international and its been around forever, maybe ita jist more popular among older guys. Hmmm.....
World wide yes, but in the US BJJ is more popular. For example, I drive past 3 bjj clubs to get to my judo club
Mattomic for sure, it just seems like BJJ clubs are everywhere in the US now.
@@Howsoonisnow2009 , that is a lie. Judo is only popular to kids in Brazil. For adults it is 5:1 ratio in favor to BJJ.
arquivo.esporte.gov.br/diesporte/2.html
Aluisio Fernandes da Silva Junior you’re correct and I was wrong. I recently learned that BJJ is more popular in Brazil. I didn’t lie, I was given wrong information before.
The answer is simple. It's easier on the body.
No the answer is its not
Judo is better
Jujitsu Brazilian in particular has a fun and youthful vibe to it. The fancy art on the rash guards, The carryover from surfing culture, etc. also Brazilian jujitsu has the popularity of MMA. Judo is still stuck in the 1960s karate formula. If there was a modern hip and cool no gi judo. Or if it was taught in schools then it would cookie pick up in the USA
you have a point
Back in the day I trained in BJJ, but only for a few months because the drive to and from the training facility was a 180 mile round trip and it just got to the point that I couldn't afford the expense of paying for the gasoline and the monthly dues of the BJJ academy. Eventually I bought the "Gracie Combatives" DVD course and some roll out grappling mats and started training with my 2 sons at home. I'd love to train in Judo but there are no training facilities anywhere near me. I'm thinking about buying a Judo DVD training course or two, but I'm not sure which one(s) would be the best for training with at home. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Here's where i go to get Judo instructionals, I personnaly bought Jimmy pedro's Grip like a world Champion, and Elite Judo Basics (Nick Tritton, my coach). This is a goo place to start and possible to stay i believe. Osu!
@@OGFITNESS Thanks bro.! I'll definitely check those out. Hopefully they're available from Amazon.
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Interesting presentation! Judo was the first MA I ever did. I had one day, lol I saw there was a night class at a high school pretty far from my home. I was maybe 14. So my dad took me to the class for us to do it together. He was so sore after that one class we never went back! The next time I saw it was in college when I was wrestling and some other student was doing it. I liked watching him do throwa. Now I know a few throws but that's about it.
Yeah Judo is pretty hard on the body, when your a kid your not thay heavy and much less stiff so falling and getting back up is no big deal but if you start later on in life it gets trickier for sure.
Props to your dad for giving it a try with his son , my dad would have done the same ,
So why would anyone over twenty chose to do judo? Why did you start judo at 47 years of age if you feel this way?
I had that exact same problem when I tried to find a wrestling gym in the US (in my area anyway)I got the impression that my ship had sailed.
It's true.. also Judo is very aggressive and older people can't handle it
BJJ is light and the market is for older people as you can do it as you can older .. but getting slammed on the mat after 40 is hard!
Also competition wise the IBJJF has belts divisions ages master 1 2 3 4 5 etc..
Judo under IJF younger vs older.
Also IBJJF has blue purple brown belt world champions etc.. which means technically that anybody can be a world champion even as white belt...
that's why it is more a business..
Second to be a technical player in Judo takes a long time!...
In BJJ it is easier to get good quick.. but in judo it takes a huge amount of time.
Yeah when i was a colored belts i was fighting young guys all the time, when i reached brown my coach put me into the masters division so i would have a chance and also not to stunt my progression.
How long does it take to be effective in a street fight using judo ? Straight answer now
Uhhhh. OG fitness. Not sure if you have googled this lately but 40,000,000 judokas world wide seems like a lot. All these new USA Bjj people think it’s more popular because they don’t know much about judo. Bjj is also Basically Just Judo. 😉. It’s trendy and cool. I appreciate what a good marketing job they have done here in the states. They have shined a light on both sports. So welcome all. ❤️
Only in US is BJJ more popular then Judo. Even in Brazil Judo is more popular than BJJ funnily enough.
Judo is world wide, like 170sig countries participate.
That's a lie
judo is more popular than bjj worldwide
I don't get why BJJ isn't a "traditional" martial art. It's older than taekwondo and aikido and probably some more. They have ranks and uniforms so what's the difference? I'd be interested in doing BJJ one day but I don't have any time for that sadly
Because they dont focus on tradition... If you made a martial art today, and focused on traditions... It would be more traditional than bjj...
@@gingercore69 I guess that's it
hmmm....... i don't think Bjj is older then Aikido and TKD, maybe your mixing it up with Japanese Jujitsu. But in any case, bjj was perfected in Vale Tudo fights, i.e. 'anything goes' fights, so it's has a bad boy persona to it as opposed to the more traditional ones. And if you ever go start practicing Bjj you'll see that the vibe is very nonchalant, chill, relaxed. Guys shit talk in class, make jokes, very friendly usually. That i think applies to most clubs, but i'm sure there are exceptions.
@@OGFITNESS I think every martial art could use some vale tudo fights. It helps keep some of those wack techniques away
@@OGFITNESS i think bjj is a fee years older than aikido, but not by much... Atvleast aikido with the name aikido... Not sure if the aikibudo or however was it called before is older... And surely bjj is not older than daito ryu aikijujutsu...
I'm happy u changed ur hair. It used to look ridiculous.
lol
Judo is WAY more popular than bjj on a world basis 😂
Absolutely imo
You're a brave young fellow. Do you know how many people start Judo and achieve Shodan? Do you know how many caucasians that start bjj achieve Shodan? Do you know that a Kimura is just an ude garami and was taught to the Gracie's that incidentally achieved Rokudan before their kids decided they didn't like Judo's shiai rules?
Your right, not many people get to shodan in judo or bjj, Osu!
UFC?
I’m an older (42) and I found bjj hard bc all ground things, so someone with joint issues it’s hard. So other arts like jui jitsu were always my more liked arts. And yes I find martial arts and a lot of dojo’s are all about making money, like all other gyms
Nice video! So... Short answer is marketing...
lol!!!
The Gracie challenges and early UFCs are still very marketing tools for BJJ
short answer is its not.
Bjj built up a great marketing
For sure, UFC helped with that in a big way.
Neither of these sports seems popular - how many judo/BJJ players are there in the top 100 athletes of the world by income?
Judo is mostly amateur, you can see BJJrs using their BJJ to win cash in prizefighting, MMA, but probably not that much to find them in this list.
That has nothing to do with popularity.
What a idiotic comment
Bjj isn't more popular worldwide. It's got a strong marketing strategy though so it may be one day
Thats true, its a little elitist i think, not very accessible to people who dont make enough money, thats why I have more respect for the overall structure of Judo, Judo is dirt cheap in comparison.
Leg grabs allowed, subs from standing allowed, different colours and qualities of gis, shorter learning curve, no dorky Japanese terminology requirements, after the ippon two points, the fight continues on the ground (despite what many may believe unless you get decent really ippon on the concrete not every single person is going to get knocked unconscious). More laid back atmosphere more direct MMA/self defense based applications (ie, getting out of bear hugs and headlocks etc) I could go on...
Oh yeah and I am a judoka who is a permanent resident of Japan and speaks the language fluently before you attack me. I'm just stating the obvious. The damn IJF ruined judo. The best judo is the west is the collier method.
@@lmk2869 "The damn IJF ruined judo" .... why?
judo is surely more popular than BJJ,
I and many hundereds of thousands of peopole in some places in Europe and africa don't know BJJ
they only know that their is Judo
and when you tell him "BJJ is basicaly the art of ground work" they say thats just "half of judo"
Hahaha!! Half of judo, thats so funny
Exactly ! To us Iranian bjj isn’t something except Judo Ne Waza ..
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Have you ever heard of sensei chuck wall?
Why do you ask? I actually live locally and am considering joining his dojo.
@@DruidK9 glad I saw this! I don’t normally check YT notifications. I live locally too in fredericksburg and did judo with chuck on and off. He’s a great teacher. He doesn’t make you sign contracts or anything either so if you need or want to stop you can, easily. He’s also a bjj brown belt and former collegiate wrestler. Dudes awesome. After covid slows down I will be back there
@@Reddogg387 I’m glad to hear that. I’ve narrowed down my choices to two dojos, my only concern with Judo class is that in most of the advertising and social media, it looks like their classes are more geared towards kids and not adults. I’m 29 and a big guy, I want to be sparring with adults. What’s your take on that? Their BJJ classes look like mostly adults so that’s good.
@@Reddogg387 hey just checking in again, I replied earlier in the week and am curious on your thoughts. Thanks.
@@DruidK9 which is the other dojo you’re looking at? Is it the KiM martial arts or something? Chuck is 100% the best judo sensei in this area. No offense to the others, but it isn’t close. As for judo, he mixes the classes with adults and older kids. In my experience, there’s always a smal group of adults at least. There were some big dudes there, like one guy was 300 lbs and another around upper 200s. I’m not sure if they are there anymore. I haven’t been since covid. But there were always adults. If you do go there, You get a free class too. It is Olympic based judo , so it’s maybe 80/20 throws to ground. He does include basic newaza tho which is great. I can’t say anything negative about chuck. I’ve come in for a month, left for a few, come back... repeat multiple times. And never once did I feel pressured or anything. There’s a local jits club in 22405 which is extremely cult like that makes you feel like you’re singing your rights away. Chuck is the exact opposite
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BJJ is much easier on a large person's frame whereas Judo was developed for small people. Large people are extremely effective at Judo sparring and competition but have extreme difficulty pulling off the kata expectations. After Judo banned leg attacks it lost 100% of its crossover potential in MMA or street self-defense ultimately sealing its fate as an obsolete martial art in the United States
Respectfully judo is still way more popular in the world, this may not be true in US and a few other places but worldwide judo is huge. I started judo at 36 and still practice at 58. Judo is aimed at kids because it was designed as an education system not a self defense system even though it is pretty good at that too. The IJF is focussed on competition safety which Kano supported and because of this the deadly and damaging variants and techniques are often not shown to students. Bjj was designed for open tournaments similar to mma and markets itself heavily it is a business first and foremost and is more focussed on entertainment and self defence than competitor safety this is not so bad as it is typically aimed at more mature persons.
ahhhh ok ok , that was very insightful, i had a question regarding where's the atemi waza in judo and i think you just answered a big part of that question. Thanks Gerard, i'll have to make a video answering that question and adding my 2 cents to it also. By the way, i also started Judo at 36, im 42 now. Osu!
@@OGFITNESS Thanks my brother, I did karate for 7 years and have studied the martial arts and martial sports for my entire life, honestly think that the best defense is to not be there and if you are then communication is still more important, most of the benefits are for health and mental resilience.
My brother learned Judo with me in San Diego, and he loves going to his neighbor’s bjj gym to choke or armbar the guys over there. lol
His gonna say the UFC ain’t he, his totally gonna say it’s because of the UFC and how it showed how practical it is, I bet 0.1 dollars that’s what his gonna say.
Meanwhile come to europe or at least germany and people are like: "What is bjj?" lol
Lol
BJJ isn't Olympic, and I wouldn't count on most lay people to know much about judo either. BJJ is a prestigious martial art between the people that know about martial arts, and deserved this prestige, the fact that they did it without the Olympics by private initiative is quite impressive.
I think its because for the most part Judo schools in North America only caters to kids and teens and not adults. Also Judokas do not promote their art properly unlike BJJ practitioners. And for some reason its hard to find a Judo dojo.
agree, Judo's marketing sucks, and they don't cater at all to adults, Bjj does those two things extremely well, i think Judo should also cater to the adults, not just on kids and olympics.
@@OGFITNESS if there were a lot more Judo clubs for adults then I would definitely start training in it.