Judo is the ice cream. BJJ is the cherry on top. If you learn the cherry on top first, it's harder to go back and learn the foundation. Both are great sports, I've done them both, but judo is about aggression and athleticism, you can't be awkward and do Judo. Judo is also harder on you, no tapping in the air. In my time, we get many BJJ players to come through the Judo club, very few stay because it's really hard, and hard on the body. What you will notice is that you stand on your feet 90% of the day, your posture will become better and you will actually walk better. Judo is also really cheap to do, about 50 to 90 a month, depending. Lastly, Judo black belts can roll to as high as a brown belt in BJJ, depending on the clubs, on both sides. I've seen Judoka clubs that have a strong focus on Newaza, completely out roll BJJ players at very high levels. Just because the Judoka clubs have a solid foundation and will overwhelm the BJJ player with straight-up aggression and top pressure. I always think it's silly when BJJ clubs strap a white belt on a Black Belt Judoka, that came from a club that had a strong Newaza program. It just makes BJJ white belts quit. They should move them to blue immediately. Stong believer in takedowns, there is no Newaza, if you can't take them down. Judo ingrains that thought into you.
@@St1cKnGoJuGgAlO IBJF does not recognize Judo. But that is cool what your class does. Check these sites out and you get a bit of understanding on what Judoka Learn. ua-cam.com/video/sM_9qOwS6ks/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/channels/yYLg9fylmLH-7mX_n3lqWA.html
blitz thekraken it depends on the club and the athlete, some clubs will have average guys whereas others will have the same belts but maul the average guys, since I’m blessed enough to train under one of the most accomplished bjj athletes in the sport I can’t say any judo black belt other than the elite athletes would be able to fight one of our brown belts. This is in my experience
Ryan Ralph it highly depends on the club. And yes if Travis Stevens or Kayla Harrison or khabib who are all high level judokas every brown and black belt will have a challenging day. Now if your professor calls takedown class orange and up Judoka are going to have fun. It does highly depend on the club. But if I was you, I’d find a judo club and experience it. Most BJJ guys that find a judoka get even better at everything, especially there balance, there balance becomes excellent. Plus there learn a smothering top pressure game, and a high speed transitioning bottom game.
I feel this so much. I’m a bjj brown belt with a modest amount of IBJJF competition experience at masters at least. I’ve seen a lot of bjj, and I think there needs to be a cultural revolution in the learning process, attitude, and ethics of the sport. Currently obsessed with judo and was lucky enough to earn my orange belt. So far judo has been like meeting cousins that you get along with but growing up your parents said they were assholes
"meeting cousins that you get along with but growing up your parents said they were assholes" - that is the best (and funniest) analogy I've heard so far and I totally agree. Coming from the other side myself but we are all one family, indeed. I like to ignore the macro level politics of any club and any sport/art I practice and just focus on growing & improving together with the individual in front of me, be it a cousin or a sibling.
Traditional Karate also has "Judo" throws embeddeed in Karate Kata (Seio Nage as an example is Part or Godan for those who understand the real application) ... but the deep stances (or fighting stance into a stepping jab or power lead hand punch) also leads to a single or doule leg, something GSP masted in MMA
@@nicholasnj3778 Shorin ryu uses a lot of judo throws but they're 'stronger', as in more aggressive; not waiting for an optimal moment, but forcing it.
@@springbloom5940 there are different Karate styles or Jujitsu (if you consider Shorin RYU more Japanses Jujitsu or Okinawan Karate) but almost all should use the same martial concepts ... Karate Do Jutsu the Do is the philosphy not to do harm while Jutsu represents the Violence and to use the amount of force necessary for self defense to extreme end of the force which repreensts Kill or be Killed and thats where a sting mind us needed most .. Kia (Hi) the Uniting of the Mind, Body and Spirit as one especially if the ever came where you had to Kill someone = Martial as in Miltary art, otherwise its just a figting art #Life and Self Protection
Having done both, your commentary on the different cultures is spot on. I’ve always found that BJJ schools mostly treat fighting as the end goal. Judo seeks personal development and growth, in addition to the skills learned.
I have trained both and am currently enrolled in both but strongly considering leaving the BJJ behind to keep money in my pocket. They are both enjoyable, but Judo is something else. What Judo has that is missing in BJJ is hard to explain, but it’s about being thrown - not even throwing others. Landing a nice throw feels great. Being thrown with excellent technique, though, and the feeling of helplessness while flying through the air and knowing that you must relax and go with it, there is this moment when this happens that is unreal and beautiful. A split second can feel like 10 seconds, yet the feeling of the ground detaching from the feet and the impact with the mat can feel simultaneous in that 10 second moment, and the mind goes quiet as you just relax and get ready to roll or break fall. Getting swept in BJJ is not the same and I have never been thrown like that in BJJ.
I have never had that feeling being thrown. But that is kind of how a perfect throw feels. When I get a "perfect" throw (not just an Ippon , but a "perfect" throw) it is that feeling like you are floating and time stands still. It is a split second that feels like 10 seconds. When you are first learning, when you throw someone it is step, pull, turn, throw, as you get better, you don't have to think about the steps you just tell yourself "do uchimata" or whatever technique you want to do. When you get even better, all you have to think is "attack" and you will attempt a throw. But that "perfect" throw... That just happens. You don't even tell yourself to do it. You just feel your opponent off balance and your body just triggers before your mind can even tell your body what to do. When that happens, that is when you feel like you are floating and everything is in slow motion until you hit the ground - usually landing on top of your opponent. When you hit the ground, it's almost as though you were sleeping and hitting the ground snaps you awake. You know what you did was just excellent, but you aren't even certain what happened. You know you just won. You know it was a "perfect" throw, but you have to think for minute or two to even know what throw you have just done. It's surreal and beautiful and only happened to me a couple times in my life. And a strangle or arm lock has never felt that way!
I train bjj and judo, mostly for practical reasons, I have knee injuries which means going down for single/double leg takedowns is troubling for me. So I’ve replaced those with judo throws.
and sweeps, sweeps are amazing and dont require that much strength. focusing on kuzushi, timing, precision, etc.. is what makes judo so cool. Maximum efficiency minimum effort.
Ex-D1 wrestler here who has chronic knee problems. I recommend looking into “high doubles” and “high singles”. Same principle, but instead of a full drop step, you do a simple level change.
John Christian I love this, and aside from that, it seems more practical in a street fight as you take a risk going down yourself when your assailant could have a knife or weapon.
@@johnchristian3387 Nice, the dojo I train at also still teaches judo lifts, which although illegal in judo comps they feel its an important part for the self defense element of the art, ive been using those in BJJ as well.
same here I moved to Judo. there is no better feeling then slamming someone to the mat. Also in BJJ everybody were mad when I threw them so I was like time to go to Judo. When I went to Judo and played with high level players It was not easy at all. but it was a great challege. Also Judo has respect in competition. less respect in BJJ .
Depends on how u slam the dude, if by slamming u mean a throw while standing thats fine, but i know slamming in bjj by picking up the person and then slamming them down is dangerous because of the real risk of concussion. But slamming with a throw is very satisfying feeling indeed😁
@@clacicle slamming people to the mat is the preferred way to win a judo match (ippon). Been doing judo for 9 years or so. Maybe you have to learn as well.
St1cKnGoJuGgAlO yeah, yeah, no problem. Keep on doing what you’re doing and don’t worry about the consequences. You’ll be singing a different tune in a few years. Time is a great teacher for those willing to learn.
Wakanakapisi Hello I agree. But, there are many who train in martial arts, who put their ego ahead of everything and end up causing unnecessary injury to their training partners and eventually to themselves.
More people need to be pointing out that Judo is so much more than just the throwing you see on TV at the Olympics. I trained in Judo from the of 6 right through to 17 years old. The club I trained at did what id estimate as 40/60 split between stand up and ground fighting (in favour of ground). Clubs that do this are not that uncommon by any means. And no, we werent a Kosen club, but a very successfully competing Budokan club (countless national titles, and in recent years a commonwealth medal), so its not like this formula was impractical. I find that a large reason BJJ has successfully gained so much popularity is that its practitioners falsely portray BJJ to be the originator of GI grappling, and portray Judo to be essentially just stand up Randori with some low level grappling sprinkled in. It is a misconception that is harmful to Judo and, in my belief much like many other claims from BJJ, deliberately dishonest. Thank you for spreading some too often forgotten truths about Judo.
But! A large percentage of all those Judo Gyms do not for what you spoke about and only focus on Olympic Rules because they have narcissistic Instructors desperate to make a name for themselves and be inducted into the Secret Society they are absolutely convinced exists within the Judo Federation. Its wonderful to claim Judo is so much more, only a small percentage of IJF Clubs embrace that!
@@mysty0 I strongly disagree. It is not a small number of judo clubs that that put a large focus on newaza but in fact any and every reputable one that has any hope of producing good competitive judokas will practice a large amount of it. Ike I said, mine was one of them, and they are far from alone. I've never even heard of or come across a secret society chasing club that only practices stand up, believing that it will produce Olympic judokas. But I'm willing to bet that if I did, they wont exactly be decorated with medals. It sounds like what you are describing is the McDojo of the Judo world, which I can only hope doesnt really exist.
@@highlandwildcat31 the secret society pun was a hyperbolic jest. The moment a Judo Club tells me they're IJF I walk, its not worth the waste of time and aggravation. I'm desperate to learn Combat Effective Judo but sick and tired of Olympic Judoka's trying to pass their crap off as the real deal and lying to get you through the door
You are right. Actually all the techniques in BJJ come from Judo Newaza. the only difference between BJJ and Judo is that they changed the competition ruleset. and once you change the ruleset of the competition and the focus you change the sport. But if you look at old Kodokan videos you"ll see that all the submissions in BJJ come from Judo (Triangle arm bar, leg locks etc..) even guardpulling was part of the ground game. Just Judo is more towards the Ippon and it is more a spectator's sport. BJJ ruined the beauty of Judo nobody understands what happens in BJJ match if they don't practice BJJ
@@meetori5175 Most Judo competition fights throughout the world are not Olympic fights. If youve been to many amateur or kids level Judo competitions they dont just get stood up the instant the ground game looks like it might slow down like international level fights. In fact, growing up, most of the Junior fights i saw or fought in were won by ippon from pinning your opponent for a set period of time, and less often by a perfectly executed ippon scoring throw. Still quite distinguishable from BJJ, but to my original point, very different from what non practitioners think Judo is based on what they see on TV. Im also not actually 100% convinced that even the BJJ ruleset is really its own invention either. It almost identically resembles Kosen Judo rules, which far predate BJJ and is even still largely practiced in Japan today. Quite honestly the only thing I am convinced is purely the invention of BJJ is its adaptation of Judo's Newaza techniques to be executed without GI. That, I will admit, is a highly revolutionary step that BJJ can credit itself for, as without it I doubt that we would be seeing as technical of a ground game in MMA.
Being a practioner of both bjj and judo. I lean towards a judo background for self defense especially in a multiple attacker situation. Having been jumped by multiple attackers, judo was a literal life saver. So many bjj practioners who have never been in a real street fight think it's always a 1v1 situation. Always assume there are more than 1 opponent and that they have a weapon. Best defense is not to fight, but when worse comes to worse, assisting an assailant through the air and onto concrete at a high rate of speed will usually give the other attackers time to rethink their future endeavors on causing you harm. Another occurrence that made me rethink bjj was when I saw a bjj classmate of mine get into a situation outside a bar. He took the guy to the ground beautifully, mounted him, and was about to lock him up in a joint lock and wait for authorities to show up. Another dude came up from behind and stabbed my classmate in the back allowing him and his buddy that was getting mounted to run off. It happened so fast. That event changed my whole life when it comes to bjj. I stopped going to bjj classes after that.
Yeah Judo hands down better for self defence. Its not even close. But Judo and Bjj complement each other crazy well. Honestly they should be one sport/martial art taught in one class.
My teacher and I started a Judo School in Nor-Cal and it ran for 20 years. We were 3 1/2 hrs from where Judo competitions took place. Since we couldn't compete we focused on Traditional Judo, our classes were Kata, standing, and groundwork. Most people don't realize that traditional judo incorporates punching and kicking, which is taught within the 7 katas. Judo is very effective in self-defense. The belt system was 3 white, 3 brown, and 10 black. There is a way to achieve your black belts without doing competitions, it just takes more time. We always welcomed visiting Judokas from the bay area, it was fun to do randori with competitive black belts, my teacher was very technical, sloppy Judo was not allowed and we weren't allowed to specialize in a single technique, which meant learning all the throws and being proficient. We let MMA fighters train with us for a while, but we realized that a.) they never stayed for more than a few months (they only wanted to learn a specific technique) b.) time teaching a temporary student, took time away from the students who were there to just focus on Judo and it wasn't fair to them. My instructor trained for decades in San Francisco in Japantown and our school was sponsored by Miss Fukuda who was taught by Jigaro Kano. That being said, after 20 years I never formally got my black belt, why you ask? It never mattered. Nothing would have changed, I would have still been training 8 hours a week, after 20 years it would have been based on ego, besides being a "sleeper" was fun. I quit Judo after 20 years and my teacher died. It's still important to me and I still do Solo kata and solo judo training, eventually, I may don a Gi again.
Awesome, what town/city? ... I trained at the Solano College Judo Club for 8 years. I had the honor of meeting ms.Fukuda just over 20yrs ago at City College in San Francisco. Yikes, you were 3hrs from tournaments? Were you in Eureka, Redding, Susanville? ... I gave up Judo once my rheumatoid arthritis got bad. But i do miss it training and competing. We would drive all over Norcal and the central valley chasing competitions. It drove our progress - but the real fun was drilling and randori. Our teams were always full of ex-wrestlers, like me. We kept the work rate high and everyone strived to figure out what set of throws worked for their body type and level of athleticism.
Coming from an old Japanese judo school back in the 70s and still active in judo I'm a strong believer in ground work as standing the same principals should be applied in both and also in atemi waza I learned since the beginning of my journey that judo is an advanced form of jujitsu is a martial art designed to to attack and defend against our opponents bjj/judo is the same to me I'm not a bjj practitioner I'm a judoka my last BJJ tournament I fought a guy that's been doing bjj for 17 years he couldn't stand with me and on the ground we were equally match very similar I made my points he made his I lost by 2 points but my throws were never counted for.. I had a lot of fun didn't understand their rules but i enjoyed it i love the ground work I like visiting bjj schools I do have grate respect for bjj but judo is my first love.
I know this is 3 years old, but I hope you're still practicing and it's great to hear from someone who has respect for other martial arts coming from a different martial art. The martial arts world has never before been so judgmental of itself than it has, now. It reminds me of the old 70s Kung Fu movies where everyone's style is better than everyone else. Cultivating humility will always keep your art fresh, grinding out an ego will make everyone around seem like an enemy.
You make a really good point about how chill the black belts are in Judo. I got to spar with a black belt in my first class in Judo. In BJJ I was partnered with another new person and we were scolded for wrestling. Neither of us even knew BJJ yet lol.
I've spent 8 years in BJJ and my coach says that all BJJ should implement Judo throws! BJJ today have many complex ground techniques that I don't think are necessary for self defense. The culture of BJJ is very different from Judo. I think it's because it's integrated into the Brazilian culture and not Japanese, which the Japanese tend to show more humility. And yes you are right about BJJ having back issues. I definitely have lower back issues.
I also think Bjj should incorporate Judo throws. I've seen videos of trained Bjj fighters in real fights and the thing I've noticed is Bjj fighters tend have a hard time in street fights until the fight hits the ground. In a real fight ppl don't just fall down and let u get top of them like how Bjj fighters train. Not knocking Bjj because it gets the job done on the ground but it's that awkward period of time before u hit the ground that ppl who train in Judo are very well trained in dealing with that Bjj fighters tend to struggle with.
@@DanieleBolelli1 On the other hand, and to be fair, lower back pain is probably the most prevalent human ailment in existence next to the headache. In other words, a million things can cause lower back pain, including just being sedentary.
The Diffence may be our Instructor also teaches Judo Throw but we also Implement as many Wresting Takedowns as Judo Throws ... yes Judo has the single and double leg takedown but why are they outlawed in Judo Competition, then Judo guys really dont train them even through they are in the Judo Cannon of Throws
In my opinion (I've been in Martial Arts for over 40 years) Judo has a lot to offer in terms of practical self-defense skills , the throwing techniques are quick fight enders and provide tremendous lifting leverage to the smaller defender.
@@keithcheng4671, well it's not actually a good advice. An uber driver's son should had started in Muay Thai to get used to hitting and getting hit. After that Judo is great.
@@danilpankov8114 judo provides training in throws, toss and some ground work, all of which are extremely useful in real fights. And besides, it’s just my opinion that if you are a kid, don’t spar, to avoid head trauma. Striking arts like Muay Thai will only help you in real life if you spar in the gym. The realistic practice in judo will guarantee its practicality in real life while avoiding head trauma
@@keithcheng4671, if your uber driver lives in Thailand, then yes his kid may would had head trauma. But full contact sparrings are a rare thing. It's good if he could do a throw or a submission not taking a punch. But you need to train for this specifically. And to take a punch you need to be prepared to take a punch, and what's even better- know how to defend it. And this what judo doesn't train.
@@danilpankov8114 as I said, a striking art only works if you spar (same everywhere in the world) and if you spar, you will take damage. Everything in life is risk vs reward and thus I would pick the middle ground and in this case judo.
One of the things that drives me crazy about BJJ is that it takes forever to get ranked and most of the time, most schools have no set curriculum. I have buddies that are purple belts now, but were white belts for 3-4 years before getting their blue. In BJJ, you really have no idea what skills you need to learn to get to blue belt (or any other belt). Yes, I realize there are videos on that, but watch them, and you'll see that opinions differ quite a bit about when you are now ready for your blue belt or another color. However, in judo, there is a set curriculum, you know what requirements exist for each rank, and you can work the snot out of those in drilling and randori/newaza and then test for it.
Then why does bjj dominate the ufc and mma? Just learn stand up like kickboxing and muy thai and learn bjj for the ground. Most fights end up on the ground....its call gravity.
Your statement on judo black belt is so true. Once I got my blackbelt, it helped me understand judo better. It took me about 8 years to get to my blackbelt and along the way you learn so much. At first, i thought great I got my black belt i can now take it easy but eventually realized it was only the start to the journey in perfecting my skills. Loved your video buddy
IM A SAMBO practitioner...I cant figure out BJJ.Do they honestly think that a street fight is going to start on the ground...absolutely stupid.The dojo im at continually gets BJJ guys coming in to learn.What they quickly learn is were going to throw them to the mat over and over again.Plus we tell everyone our mentality...REAL MEN FIGHT STANDING UP.
I am a traditional Goju Ryu karateka who has done BJJ as well. Recently found a judo school and fell in love. I find that a lot off BJJ guys have turned into the bro squad and that has always annoyed me. Still like BJJ but Goju Ryu and Judo is where I will stay.
@@hyperion050 Nothing is better than BJJ bro. Embrace the grind bro. Come on bro don't wuss out bro. Check me out bro. Watch me straight bar curl in the squat rack for an hour bro to then text and take selfies between sets bro.
I’m sorry you had this experience to be BJJ. I think it is truly is dependent on the school in Culture that the professor has built up. In my school , I find it to be a welcoming and family like atmosphere. I am currently a brown belt in BJJ and I have never been turned turned down by a black belt nor have I ever turned down lower belts to roll. As with any martial arts humbleness and humility are key to progress. I wish you the best of luck on your journey and hope you find a BJJ school that you may find your passion for bjj once again
Judo is pretty hard to find in my area, so I just train wrestling and practice stuff from Judo tutorials from UA-cam but someday I’d like to stumble across a dedicated Judo school. I’ve found an MMA gym that does some Judo stuff occasionally (even though I can’t go consistently because of school and distance) but I have never seen a straight up Judo school in person before, especially not here in Georgia. If I’m blessed with the opportunity to train Judo though I wouldn’t pass it up, it seems like a really awesome and fun martial art.
Three years ago, but I hope you found your Judo school. It is really hard to find. It's unfortunate since it is so great. There's bjj everywhere, but not enough Judo, at least where I am.
I thought that guy who abandoned his Aikido teaching career for MMA and BJJ (Martial Arts Journey) could have used Judo and Boxing to help his practical fighting abilities but still stay in Aikido and traditional Martial Arts.
A year ago I saw a video in which a BJJ guy mentions the problems you are mentioning against BJJ against karate and other traditional martial arts. Has BJJ started its downfall I wonder...
@@sahinsarkar7293 well not grabbing the legs and all but they are trying to get people back that they loss to bjj by organizing world championships in newaza (ground fighting) and they've put more effort into their marketing.
Sahin Sarkar what video was this do you have a link please? It is a rarity on UA-cam however Bjj is been studied and exposed the same way the Gracie’s we’re doing to other martial arts ironic :)
Loved your commentary! I'm a current orange belt in Judo and it not only expands my fighting skills, it has helped me become mentally tough. Having trained martial arts for 15 years, with backgrounds in Kung Fu (Black sash), Japanese Jujitsu (black belt), Boxing, Sanda (Chinese Kickboxing/MMA) and Combatives (certified instructor), Judo has helped put me back in the shoes of my beginning students once again. You have a new subscriber. Much respect! 🤜🤚
Hopefully you stuck to it brother id like to o ow your belt ranking now sense its been foyr years. I just started a year ago and I am an orange as well I promised to stick to it until my boy gets his black belt .
@@purplekilo9157 Unfortunately Covid and having to shut down (and rebuild) my martial art school has kept me off the mat until now. I'm getting back into Judo once summer hits though! Hopefully you can stick to it until Black belt! 😁💪🏿🥋👊🏿
If you are ever in NYC, visit Kano Martials Arts. The two head coaches were US national champions and Olympic alternates. Great training and great atmosphere.
Thanks for the video bro!I just got back to judo after 32 years and had the opportunity to practice BJJ once and my impression is that BJJ is a mutilated form of judo, since there is no standing fight. On the other hand, some judo schools don’t practice as much newaza, but that’s not the case in my dojo where half of the practice is newaza and the rest is just standard randori.I had my first competition in Japan last month and finished in third despite having a torn ligament on my knee. I’ll surely get my black belt in the next tournament in September. Keep it up!
@@SereneJudo This is true somewhat, but my last club concentrated on competition and had a dozen adults and a couple of kids. Not to mention many teens drop out to pursue the glory of high school sports, which leave no time for judo. Also, Judo can be hard on the body, as an Ikyu I would have to take dozens of throws from beginners just about every class. Beginners throw awkwardly ,as expected, and you end up taking falls from weird angles.After 40, it gets hard to keep getting up.
I trained in Judo for about 4 years, also trained in BJJ for about 4 years. I agree with a lot of what you said. I really like the technical side of BJJ, and though I did meet some great people in the gym, I didn't like the general culture of the place. I'm not saying all BJJ gyms are like the one I went to, but beyond the things that you mentioned about being viewed as a traitor (creonte) for training at other gyms, asking higher belts too roll etc... things like making racist, sexist, homophobic jokes were not only allowed to happen, but were emboldened by the "professors". Things like infidelity was also encouraged on the annual BJJ vacation, once you were in the "inner circle"... and this was not at some "meathead" mma gym, but a gym that prided themselves on being a "family gym". It wasn't like the people in that gym were "mean" to you, just that you were expected to be subordinate to that toxic culture. I found that the word "family" in BJJ essentially translates into "cult". When you came to our gym, the prof would say "welcome to our family", "join the family", "we are a family"... but after being there for a while, you start to realize what that really means is "you're either with us or against us, and if you're not with us, you're the enemy". I think it was Joe Rogan who said something like "BJJ is a healthy cult", but a cult by definition is not healthy. I actually really enjoyed the art itself, but in the end I decided that the culture was just too toxic for me to stay around, which is ironic considering how BJJ is constantly sold as a healthy lifestyle. Again, I do not mean to paint every BJJ club like this, but the one I was at, and some I visited, had enough of this kind of culture for me to make an opinion.It's a shame because I really like the art itself. I also really like the art of Judo, and I much prefer the general dojo culture. I'm not saying that there were never assholes in Judo, cause they do exist, but what I've found with martial arts schools is that they were top do hierarchies, and the general culture of the schools are set by what is passed down and practiced from the top. For all the criticisms of the formalities in traditional etiquette, it does have an impact in the culture of those schools. I found the Judo dojo culture to be much more healthy, IME. My Judo school was pretty big and there were a lot of high level black belts, and if you were standing on the sidelines during randori (sparring), you were always encouraged to seek out a black belt. I was not a huge fan of the Judo groundwork (newaza), and I do feel the BJJ's grappling is generally more sophisticated, which is no surprise considering the mount of time they spend on the mat (though there are some extremely good judoka with strong ground work), but if I had to choose, I do prefer throwing to grappling. Judo has a steeper learning curve. You can get good at BJJ much fast than you can get good at Judo, but once you start pulling off clean throws during randori, it's the best feeling. This is not meant to sway anyone towards either art, it's just my experience, and everyone can make up their own minds.
@Lew. mostly Japanese universities to be fair, there are a few "freestyle" judo tournaments in Europe and the US however, where the rules are more like BJJ than Olympic style Judo.
I've trianed BJJ 5 years and started Judo 2 years ago, I trian bjj now to better my judo. Judo is cheaper, I prefer the vibe and I like learning the culture. What I would say is judo is harder to master. A 3 stripe white belt could destroy a newbie, but in Judo that doesn't happen till your about blue belt.
This is a great explanation of the difference in your eyes. I studied Judo as a child and wanted to start up again and this steered me towards Judo again. Thank you for this video! Big Thumbs up! 👍
I've been practicing judo for over 20 years now. I went to one BJJ locally where I moved before the lock down started. I was pretty surprised by the fact beginners weren't training with brown belts. Aslo the price indeed is crazy high! There are interesting elements to BJJ for sure, but was ver surprised b these facts, to me it doesn;t make sense to not work with people better than you, vise versa, practicing with someone who has less experience, will always teach you alot.
Know this is very late but in my bjj school its fairly affordable. Also, we train with a mixture of all belts so maybe that's just the schools in other areas.
So, i can't speak for every GJJ school but i know a ton. .. A lot of higher belts don't like to roll with white belts because of the high injury rate. White belts tend to thrash around and use a ton of force because they lack skill. They hurt themselves and others. ..... Having said that.... I started Judo BEFORE GJJ. I did judo for 8 years. And folkstyle wrestling before that. ... I agree that the system of teaching Judo is a lot more sophisticated than BJJ. I think self-restraint is also more natural for judo. And that's the main point of why higher belts don't train with lower belts in BJJ. .... In judo, the white belts are more restrained. The consequences of getting slammed on your head by an aggressive black belt seem far higher -- than getting your guard passed and lapel choked by a BJJ black belt. ...And I think BJJ white belts are encouraged to embrace a dog-eat-dog survival of the fittest method. I think it's counterproductive but hopefully that will change.
Excellent commentary - I have been a black belt for 30 years in Judo, (World Grand Prix circuit competition and recently Masters World Gold Medallist) and 7 years in BJJ (purple belt Masters World Champion 5X) and I've never been able to articulate the differences... (I tried on my UA-cam channel videos) - and this is an excellent video explanation which I very much respect... thank you for this O.G.Fitness...
Thinking of making the switch myself. Blue belt in BJJ but much more interested in stand up grappling/wrestling, and can't really afford BJJ at the moment
Go for it, I've trained judo and bjj from when I started 2 years ago. I think of judo as basically stand up BJJ, it's like physical chess. Setting traps for your training partners and taking advantage of opportunities. Ive also done catch wrestling more recently, I just love grappling. Good luck on ur journey
@OGFITNESS there are Cheaper BJJ gyms, my coach charges £45 per month, thats about $77 Canadian Dollars. I personally think for daily training that isn't too bad.
Hello very interesting video, I also practiced BJJ and I had backaches so I have not continued, you can also notice that the BJJ is a bit disorganized for learning, however, Judo catches my attention a lot throughout its history and because the practice is made of standing that is a more natural state for the human, I am also a kyokushin karate practitioner from there my interest in Japanese art. I have not started practicing Judo yet but your comments clarified many things to me. Regards from Montreal. Never give up. OSU
Very nicely said. U were very clear and expressive about your personal experiences and feelings. Very accurate as well, from my experience. I hope to encounter U again soon on UA-cam.
Judo is the way. I'm a black belt in Kosen Judo and got the ground game plus the takedown and throws. Judo is more complete and creates a better fighter. Welcome to Judo. :)
Excellent explanation of both arts\schools pros & cons. I'd add that a focus on developing Kuzushi is what distinguishes Kodokan Judo from BJJ. And developing Kuzushi is crucial to unarmed Combat defense. BJJ for me only has combatives value in it's superior ground escapes for getting off the ground when being held down by a stronger larger predator.
My BJJ coach trained judo for 20 years before moving to BJJ. He said BJJ is where old judokas go to retire. The reason is that judo is really hard on your body. You're falling 100 times a day which takes a toll on you even with proper ukemi. My point is if longevity and sustainability is your priority, BJJ might be a better choice.
I'm 56, and NOT as muscular as I could be to continue in judo much longer. (I didn't maintain; I went lean and light in my mid-forties for a return to soccer.) _Ukemi_ are more a concern _because training with newer, aggressive, 24-year-olds_ though! It demands a higher degree of wiley on my part.
did Judo for over 25 years (international). recently switched to bjj. I am a blue belt. I like the idea to be ignored by higher belts, but I insist :) and yea, just a few people want to do standing with me, but I am very gentle and always smiling have fun, Judo used to be an amazing sport, when they allowed to grab legs
Doing both and you are absolutely 5000% correct!BJJ got a lot of hype cause of marketing policy. Some say that on the upcoming "4year circle"(within two olympic games where IJF changes ruleset) leg grabs will be back on game again. As for what you said in comparison with the ranking system. Judo black belt means i have seen the textbook. Theoritically a 3rd dan black belt on a very serious and high level school is the assistant coach. High level practitioners start from the 5th Dan +. Post 6th Dan in judo you have to do R&D.
That would be awesome if they put back in the legs! Its so much more fun and it changes everything in shiai. I've seen black belts who only have their first dan black belt in judo, quite a lot from my experience, its just guys who don't feel like studying and jumping through the hoops to get their dans, When i get my black belt then i'll decide where i want to go from there, but with time my physicality will fade so i might go for them because i just love the sport and i always want to be involved.
I think you’re right. I train at Pedro Sauer HQ. Our high belts are cool. Even as a white belt I was able to roll with the brown and black belts. They were helpful. I also did seminars at other schools and our school was cool with it,
The part about not being able to roll at other clubs was spot on. Fuck the tribalism. MFs act like school children fighting over their side of the play ground.
I didn’t understand Brazilian Jiu-jitsu until I started looking at old Judo books and watching Judo videos on UA-cam. It’s a whole system that teaches you grappling as a whole, from clinch to pin to submission. When they teach you falls (ukemi) you’re learning throws. When you’re learning throws you’re learning sweeps and submissions. It’s fantastic. That said I’m still doing Jiu-jitsu 😂
Jimmy Alderson yes, I started at a Rickson Gracie school and we learned takedowns and self-defense scenarios. They are both systems of grappling but they are not the same system, they’re quite different. My point was that 1. everything was a hodge podge, chaos, until I studied some Judo (so it’s not entirely obvious that Jiu-jitsu is a complete system of grappling on its own). And 2. Judo’s proper system is integrated and it’s pedagogy is like magic for the reasons I described above. When you’re learning a backwards break fall on your first day, you’re also learning a tomoe nage and a reversal from guard into an armbar-you just don’t know it yet.
Also some clubs put a heavy emphasis on newaza our club even cross trains with bjj guys on the weekends and does newaza days during the weekdays mostly.
@@OGFITNESS BJJ has way more footage of real life street confrontations compared to Judo these days due to social media and for the most part it works fine. Not saying Judo sucks (imo both work fine)but I think you're gonna need detailed analysis and evidence to back up your opinion on why Judo works better. The fact that fights start on the feet is a non-sequitor and a bit of strawmanning
just learn them all. A good mma gym would have both bjj and judo classes. Judo good for bring your opponent to the ground. bjj, you'll learn how to escape from being pinned on the ground.
At the few different judo clubs I trained, ground sparring was at least 50% of the sparring. It’s practical because it requires less space and it builds grappling-specific endurance
I don't train BJJ anymore, so I don't feel one way or another about the BJJ vs judo debate, but it sounds more like this guy had a bad experience at a BJJ school than anything else. While I'm glad that his posture improved, I do just want to add that judo and wrestling have a much higher rate of serious injury than BJJ does, particularly in terms of knee injuries and concussions. For the average guy who trains for fun, BJJ is much more low-impact than judo.
I train both and i dont agree with you.If u can train with very high level students you often are safe.When people dont have full control they can go too hard on submissions,and hurt people.Seen that alot.Ive seen more injuries in BJJ then Judo.Also when people got too big ego they are dangerous to roll with.Got to be able to trust your partner.
There's actually a systematic review of studies that showed head injuries are more common in BJJ than in Judo. And in Judo the main cause of the head injuries was novices not understanding how to breakfall effectively, as head injuries in people who have practiced Judo for a long time were very rare. Conversely, the higher rate of head injuries in BJJ was attributed to the fact that they don't train breakfalls enough/at all.
Muay thai kickboxer here. And I've always been fascinated with Catch Wrestling because of it's aggressive approach compared to BJJ; the latter being more passive instead of sizing up an opponent from the moment of stand up game. Largely due to the lack of slams & throws, which Catch Wrestling & Judo isn't short of! Never underestimate the importance of a well-placed body slam to the ground - that alone can nerf an opponent's healthbar by 50% even before the ground-game starts. I honestly feel that BJJ isn't a bad system but it is more complex technically & thus, not everyone can master BJJ to black belt level whereas Judo & Wrestling tends to be grounded in the basics. That gives it a wider appeal in terms of application i.e. you don't need to be a master first in order to save your skin in a self-defense situation.
Thats because BJJ is Basically Just Judo brother, hahahahah, really it's where it comes from, the Brazilians didn't invent nothing, they just push the one on one aspect of it and set up some rules to make it a sport, but outside of one on one and sport, it's not a good idea to hang around too long on the ground if you dont have to.
Hello! It was nice to found this video, recently I am considering to start judo too, reason is to improve my take down and stand game, also I agree with ur mentioned issues. The only one thing
I’m 47 and would love to do judo here in the 🇬🇧. But think I might pick up some horrendous injuries? Looks like a young mans game? Could be wrong though? Wish I’d spent my younger years doing judo instead of karate!🙄✌🏻
Do Jiu Jitsu, its way safer than Judo when it comes to injuries. And its also just as affective if not more. This guy just went to a bad gym. He should of tried multiple trials before going to Judo. Plus it's recommended you get into BJJ before Judo, they both compliment eachother. I respect both sports but I'm realistic. Judo guys on the ground don't survive against BJJ guys. Also, 20 years ago was the best time to start, but the second best time to start is right now. Good luck on your journey man.
I live and train in interior of Brazil. I'm a brown belt in BJJ. The feeling is that Judo is dying here. I would like to learn and have a great club to practise, but it does not exist here.
Depends. I’m from São Paulo. Judo is huge there. A lot of schools and really strong tournaments. Brazilian national team is strong. From 2005 onwards, we’ve had our share of world and Olympic champions and medalists. I’d go to 5 different clubs to train. Amazing people with great technique.
Finally found a good dojo. They offer two programs. The first is Kodokan Judo & the second is Combat Judo without wearing the gi. There's elements of Kickboxing so actual Sparring involved. That will work for me as some of the arts I have a background in are TKD JKD as well as Muay Thai.
4th degree black belt in Judo (brown belt in BJJ) here... both have merits, both are worth cross-training... most judo clubs (including the one I own) have a 50/50 split with Ne-waza (which is essentially BJJ) and Tachi-waza (standup) so you can usually get both at a judo club (and often times for half the price) - I talk at length about this on my UA-cam channel as well... After I retired from the Grand Prix international judo circuit, I opened my eyes about a lot of stuff... and discovering BJJ in my later years was a blessing... Judo and BJJ both have pro's and con's, depending on the region, instructors,class mix, intent of club (rec or comp), etc etc... Too many variables but both are awesome and all people should practice both!
I’m a kid of the 90s so I learnt kick boxing and and Kung Fu coz that’s what Van Damme did 20 years pass and I’m in my 50s and I feel the need to pick up a martial art again so I started Judo and man what an eye opener that was. Jubokas are so inhumanly strong it was shocking. My club owner is a former commonwealth team member and would have gone to the Olympics but for an injury. And even in his late 69s the fear I feel when he grabs by gi to demonstrate something is real. Kick boxing never left me feeling so exhausted and never gave me the feeling of accomplishment that I feel when I get a throw to work. The ground work is great but in a street situation nothing will end a conflict faster than actually wanting someone to grab you or throw a punch at you so you can get that hold and put in a hard throw to the ground. Lots of people have been punched but not many have experienced being slammed into the ground. In short Judo rocks
Judo at 50 ! Beast! Im 44 right now, 45 soon, grew up in the 80s and 90s, watching van damme, sly, arnie, bruce of course, i only started grapplling at 30 (bjj) and judo at 36, that why i always say that if i grab a sucka who doesnt know judo or any kind of grappling and i hit a solid throw on them, its most likely hospital time. People have no idea how devasting and traumatizing it can be if your first experience of judo is being thrown hard on concrete😂🤷♂️
It is always the person that trains that matters. Coming from a traditional background I can say the discipline I found in Ju do to be some of the most exceptional all around. Of course that depends so much on the teacher. BJJ has good teaching as well, and there are teachers who are exceptional as well. But each person must discover what works for them. It is not about style, nor system, but about the man who practices. It is a journey of learning which we will never complete.
Bros help me out w/ BJJ vs Judo vs Sambo. I'm looking for 1st & foremost most effective self defense (most common situations, able to disable larger opponents), 2nd also a fun competitive sport hopefully w/ lower injury risk
Interesting when I see Jocko and Joe Rogan talk about BJJ as a super power. One of my coworkers who has done both has said kind of said what you said but did say BJJ specializes in ground.
My kids have done judo and bjj to very high levels. Many many tournaments over approx 8 year period. I began to get friendly with many people on the tournament circuits. One such person was the official first aid/EMS person. I noticed quickly that he did Judo AND BJJ tournaments. So, I asked him which tournaments caused more injuries, Judo or BJJ. His answer was - Judo by far. Higher tempo of fighting and higher impact.
i practiced aikido and judo first and then did 11 years of bjj...i always had a edge ...Jiu Jitsu is a good tool and you are only as good as your training partners ..Back in the day 2010 i was cross training gyms and always got the cross eye ...F&* that ,, being good at bjj does not mean you can fight ...how is that humble pie ...I love bjj don't misrepresent ..Great video man talk as much as you want
is my knee, I had injured it many years ago,in car accident, now I can adapt it in bjj(blue belt), but what about judo, is it. possible to do this sport safety for leg/knee and adapt it? What do u think?
Very interesting take. I've never "belonged" to any BJJ gym, I'm a nomad, but I can kind of see the points you're making in regards to the attitude of some bjj players and schools. I was just watching a judo black belt test video prior to watching this and it seemed so traditional and structured and I immediately noticed the difference between what you would see at a bjj school vs judo school. I just think judo has held onto more of the traditional martial arts way of doing things and bjj with it's exploding popularity over the last 15 or so years moved away from that. I do wish bjj was more structured in it's teachings and belt tests. That is something I take enormous issue with as the quality of students coming out of different schools vary widely. There needs to be standardization.
@@Kev80ification He talks about the problems he had in learning aikido and japanese jiujitsu. ...Also, structure didn't get his judo black belt. .. He got it doing it only a year of judo competition. .... check out his heritage in BJJ. ... He hit the jackpot with some way intellectual instructors with high level methodology. He praises the learning method of bjj & he actually says that aikido should stay alive by following the BJJ method to training.
I got scolded for asking a blue to roll at my first BJJ school. I left that night. "Leave your ego at the door" did NOT apply there lol I still train at a BJJ place where higher belts are happy to destroy you lol I have always wanted to train in Judo and still will one day when I find a place closer by.
As a BJJ student I recommend you to train elsewhere. I trained BJJ in many places and this behaviour is not common, go train in a less toxic enviroment.
After 5-6 years of training nogi BJJ and doing a few competitions, I recently switched to judo. I’m enjoying it very much, just wish it was easier on the body. My newaza is definitely far better then the other judo white belts of course, but standing up I am by far the worst as even the new stance (right foot first for a righty which is so weird) is new to me
Less bald guys in Judo? I've never taken a Judo class, just an arrest and control class that teaches some Judo foot sweeps. I've considered taking a class but I don't know if my back would handle it.
O.G. FITNESS I mean you can gain a lot from either one. And since you already have some BJJ experiences, you’ll progress fast in Judo. It’s also true that you’d progress fast in BJJ if you had some Judo experiences.
KnucKlez Vallero I’m not gonna talking about my training, but Joe Rogan and Jacko Willink disagree with you. So you think they don’t train because they share my point of view on this issue!
I am a Filipino Martial Arts guy who just started taking BJJ recently to add more than just dumog to my ground game and found i do not enjoy BJJ much but I do liked the judo aspect of it and thinking of changing over myself.
@@OGFITNESS I think it is a good art and recommend it but Ii have just not enjoyed it like I do FMA. I did however find I liked doing the throws more than the ground work. I also found I did not like the training methodology in the two schools I have been too i think they both have forgotten to have fun while training and the class structures were a bit regimented for my tastes. Now that I know more about both BJJ and judo I think a more throw heavy system will work better with my Dumog (Filipino wrestling).I honestly expected more throws and standing to ground transitions going in to BJJ. I think it is a mix of the training methodology mixed with what i am not getting out of it that i had expected to get that has me in the "meh zone".
You've mentioned some good points. 1- prices difference 2-structure 3-values Just adding...im a praticioner of both and i think because of the adjustments been made in order to make judo accessible for everyone and to fit into competetions criteria, unfortunately some techniques are no longer taught, such as leg trows and leg locks.And the newaza(ground techniques) time in competitions has been shortened to few seconds to attempt shime waza=chocks/ Kansetsu wasa=locks or 20 secs osae komi=hold down. In my humble opinion those are the reasons that a big number of Judokas has been moving to bjj. But for those who are lucky enough to be in a judo dojo were Newaza is been paying the right amount of attention will realise were bjj came from: Jigoro Kano(judo)-Tomita Tsunejiro(judo)-Mitsuyo Maeda(judo)-Carlos Gracie(bjj)
Very insightful video. Thank you ! A great friend of mine shared the expression "Sushin Fudo shin" as the epitomy of a judo player. Strengthening the body, sharpening the edge of your sword with techniques, but use your morality as a sheath.
I love Judo, but I train BJJ and I dont agree with what you're saying. BJJ has brazilian origin, most teachers are brazilian and the culture is different, but there is humility but in a different way. Everybody gets put in his place, no matter if you're white, purple or black belt. Only bad gims with 3 or 4 people that are top dogs and never get beaten regularly are like that. In good gims people are humble because everybody gets beaten all the time, therefore ego gets checked. Maybe you were in a bad gim. Anyway, judo is awesome so enjoy it.
I have never ever seen a black belt in bjj almost even remotley "think" about turning down a roll, let alone with a white belt 😂 Wth are y'all talking about?
I was thinking the same thing. If that's what you experienced at your gym, then that's a serious problem. A black belt is happy to role with ANYBODY. Regardless of experience.
I think it's more a cultural thing than a BJJ thing. Most American and European black belts are pretty chill, but the Brazilian coach at my old BJJ school told flat out the white belts never to ask a higher-ranked belt to roll if we didn't know him. He also said that if we ever went to Brazil to train there, the Brazilian BJJ black belts would probably take it badly.
Gabriel M I don’t know if his coach was Brazilian, but as someone who trains in Brazil I have to say it’s not at all a cultural thing. I’m sure some gyms have people like that (some bjj people are indeed douchy) but I never saw someone denying to roll with a lower belt. We are def not all like that, I promise!
Judo is the ice cream. BJJ is the cherry on top. If you learn the cherry on top first, it's harder to go back and learn the foundation. Both are great sports, I've done them both, but judo is about aggression and athleticism, you can't be awkward and do Judo. Judo is also harder on you, no tapping in the air. In my time, we get many BJJ players to come through the Judo club, very few stay because it's really hard, and hard on the body. What you will notice is that you stand on your feet 90% of the day, your posture will become better and you will actually walk better. Judo is also really cheap to do, about 50 to 90 a month, depending. Lastly, Judo black belts can roll to as high as a brown belt in BJJ, depending on the clubs, on both sides. I've seen Judoka clubs that have a strong focus on Newaza, completely out roll BJJ players at very high levels. Just because the Judoka clubs have a solid foundation and will overwhelm the BJJ player with straight-up aggression and top pressure. I always think it's silly when BJJ clubs strap a white belt on a Black Belt Judoka, that came from a club that had a strong Newaza program. It just makes BJJ white belts quit. They should move them to blue immediately. Stong believer in takedowns, there is no Newaza, if you can't take them down. Judo ingrains that thought into you.
blitz thekraken thank you
In bjj comp I think judo black belts get blue belts at my club it's the same for class attendance.
@@St1cKnGoJuGgAlO IBJF does not recognize Judo. But that is cool what your class does. Check these sites out and you get a bit of understanding on what Judoka Learn.
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ua-cam.com/channels/yYLg9fylmLH-7mX_n3lqWA.html
blitz thekraken it depends on the club and the athlete, some clubs will have average guys whereas others will have the same belts but maul the average guys, since I’m blessed enough to train under one of the most accomplished bjj athletes in the sport I can’t say any judo black belt other than the elite athletes would be able to fight one of our brown belts. This is in my experience
Ryan Ralph it highly depends on the club. And yes if Travis Stevens or Kayla Harrison or khabib who are all high level judokas every brown and black belt will have a challenging day. Now if your professor calls takedown class orange and up Judoka are going to have fun. It does highly depend on the club. But if I was you, I’d find a judo club and experience it. Most BJJ guys that find a judoka get even better at everything, especially there balance, there balance becomes excellent. Plus there learn a smothering top pressure game, and a high speed transitioning bottom game.
“Judo turned me into a Jedi”
I’m sold
I feel this so much. I’m a bjj brown belt with a modest amount of IBJJF competition experience at masters at least. I’ve seen a lot of bjj, and I think there needs to be a cultural revolution in the learning process, attitude, and ethics of the sport. Currently obsessed with judo and was lucky enough to earn my orange belt. So far judo has been like meeting cousins that you get along with but growing up your parents said they were assholes
"meeting cousins that you get along with but growing up your parents said they were assholes" - that is the best (and funniest) analogy I've heard so far and I totally agree. Coming from the other side myself but we are all one family, indeed. I like to ignore the macro level politics of any club and any sport/art I practice and just focus on growing & improving together with the individual in front of me, be it a cousin or a sibling.
@@heirihunziker man I support that
@@heirihunziker Just took up grappling recently and I don't have a judo school nearby. It was definitely my first choice though.
In my case meeting cousins i didnt even know existed! Lol, Im a martial artist and love all of it but at my core Judoka 100%
Having done both, Judo will always be my first love. Especially old school Judo techniques when you could attack the legs with your hands.
@taltezy29- Yes old school judo! I agree! In my time, you had to watch for double legs,singles, khabarellis, etc..
Yep. You wanna go to the ground? I can help 😉
Traditional Karate also has "Judo" throws embeddeed in Karate Kata (Seio Nage as an example is Part or Godan for those who understand the real application) ... but the deep stances (or fighting stance into a stepping jab or power lead hand punch) also leads to a single or doule leg, something GSP masted in MMA
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Shorin ryu uses a lot of judo throws but they're 'stronger', as in more aggressive; not waiting for an optimal moment, but forcing it.
@@springbloom5940 there are different Karate styles or Jujitsu (if you consider Shorin RYU more Japanses Jujitsu or Okinawan Karate) but almost all should use the same martial concepts ... Karate Do Jutsu the Do is the philosphy not to do harm while Jutsu represents the Violence and to use the amount of force necessary for self defense to extreme end of the force which repreensts Kill or be Killed and thats where a sting mind us needed most .. Kia (Hi) the Uniting of the Mind, Body and Spirit as one especially if the ever came where you had to Kill someone = Martial as in Miltary art, otherwise its just a figting art #Life and Self Protection
Having done both, your commentary on the different cultures is spot on. I’ve always found that BJJ schools mostly treat fighting as the end goal. Judo seeks personal development and growth, in addition to the skills learned.
Judo runs deep, it a life philosophy imo
I have trained both and am currently enrolled in both but strongly considering leaving the BJJ behind to keep money in my pocket. They are both enjoyable, but Judo is something else. What Judo has that is missing in BJJ is hard to explain, but it’s about being thrown - not even throwing others. Landing a nice throw feels great. Being thrown with excellent technique, though, and the feeling of helplessness while flying through the air and knowing that you must relax and go with it, there is this moment when this happens that is unreal and beautiful. A split second can feel like 10 seconds, yet the feeling of the ground detaching from the feet and the impact with the mat can feel simultaneous in that 10 second moment, and the mind goes quiet as you just relax and get ready to roll or break fall. Getting swept in BJJ is not the same and I have never been thrown like that in BJJ.
definitely a different dimension of fun and experience when it comes to throwing and being thrown, thats why i love it. Osu!
Bro is s poet.
I have never had that feeling being thrown. But that is kind of how a perfect throw feels. When I get a "perfect" throw (not just an Ippon , but a "perfect" throw) it is that feeling like you are floating and time stands still. It is a split second that feels like 10 seconds. When you are first learning, when you throw someone it is step, pull, turn, throw, as you get better, you don't have to think about the steps you just tell yourself "do uchimata" or whatever technique you want to do. When you get even better, all you have to think is "attack" and you will attempt a throw. But that "perfect" throw... That just happens. You don't even tell yourself to do it. You just feel your opponent off balance and your body just triggers before your mind can even tell your body what to do.
When that happens, that is when you feel like you are floating and everything is in slow motion until you hit the ground - usually landing on top of your opponent. When you hit the ground, it's almost as though you were sleeping and hitting the ground snaps you awake. You know what you did was just excellent, but you aren't even certain what happened. You know you just won. You know it was a "perfect" throw, but you have to think for minute or two to even know what throw you have just done.
It's surreal and beautiful and only happened to me a couple times in my life. And a strangle or arm lock has never felt that way!
I train bjj and judo, mostly for practical reasons, I have knee injuries which means going down for single/double leg takedowns is troubling for me. So I’ve replaced those with judo throws.
and sweeps, sweeps are amazing and dont require that much strength. focusing on kuzushi, timing, precision, etc.. is what makes judo so cool. Maximum efficiency minimum effort.
Ex-D1 wrestler here who has chronic knee problems. I recommend looking into “high doubles” and “high singles”. Same principle, but instead of a full drop step, you do a simple level change.
John Christian I love this, and aside from that, it seems more practical in a street fight as you take a risk going down yourself when your assailant could have a knife or weapon.
@@johnchristian3387 Nice, the dojo I train at also still teaches judo lifts, which although illegal in judo comps they feel its an important part for the self defense element of the art, ive been using those in BJJ as well.
@@lewisb85 What is a judo lift
same here I moved to Judo. there is no better feeling then slamming someone to the mat. Also in BJJ everybody were mad when I threw them so I was like time to go to Judo. When I went to Judo and played with high level players It was not easy at all. but it was a great challege. Also Judo has respect in competition. less respect in BJJ .
Ori Sr slamming people into the mat is the best way to injure your training partners. You still have a lot to learn.
Depends on how u slam the dude, if by slamming u mean a throw while standing thats fine, but i know slamming in bjj by picking up the person and then slamming them down is dangerous because of the real risk of concussion. But slamming with a throw is very satisfying feeling indeed😁
@@clacicle slamming people to the mat is the preferred way to win a judo match (ippon). Been doing judo for 9 years or so. Maybe you have to learn as well.
St1cKnGoJuGgAlO yeah, yeah, no problem. Keep on doing what you’re doing and don’t worry about the consequences. You’ll be singing a different tune in a few years. Time is a great teacher for those willing to learn.
Wakanakapisi Hello I agree. But, there are many who train in martial arts, who put their ego ahead of everything and end up causing unnecessary injury to their training partners and eventually to themselves.
More people need to be pointing out that Judo is so much more than just the throwing you see on TV at the Olympics. I trained in Judo from the of 6 right through to 17 years old. The club I trained at did what id estimate as 40/60 split between stand up and ground fighting (in favour of ground). Clubs that do this are not that uncommon by any means. And no, we werent a Kosen club, but a very successfully competing Budokan club (countless national titles, and in recent years a commonwealth medal), so its not like this formula was impractical.
I find that a large reason BJJ has successfully gained so much popularity is that its practitioners falsely portray BJJ to be the originator of GI grappling, and portray Judo to be essentially just stand up Randori with some low level grappling sprinkled in. It is a misconception that is harmful to Judo and, in my belief much like many other claims from BJJ, deliberately dishonest.
Thank you for spreading some too often forgotten truths about Judo.
But! A large percentage of all those Judo Gyms do not for what you spoke about and only focus on Olympic Rules because they have narcissistic Instructors desperate to make a name for themselves and be inducted into the Secret Society they are absolutely convinced exists within the Judo Federation. Its wonderful to claim Judo is so much more, only a small percentage of IJF Clubs embrace that!
@@mysty0 I strongly disagree. It is not a small number of judo clubs that that put a large focus on newaza but in fact any and every reputable one that has any hope of producing good competitive judokas will practice a large amount of it. Ike I said, mine was one of them, and they are far from alone.
I've never even heard of or come across a secret society chasing club that only practices stand up, believing that it will produce Olympic judokas. But I'm willing to bet that if I did, they wont exactly be decorated with medals. It sounds like what you are describing is the McDojo of the Judo world, which I can only hope doesnt really exist.
@@highlandwildcat31 the secret society pun was a hyperbolic jest. The moment a Judo Club tells me they're IJF I walk, its not worth the waste of time and aggravation. I'm desperate to learn Combat Effective Judo but sick and tired of Olympic Judoka's trying to pass their crap off as the real deal and lying to get you through the door
You are right. Actually all the techniques in BJJ come from Judo Newaza. the only difference between BJJ and Judo is that they changed the competition ruleset. and once you change the ruleset of the competition and the focus you change the sport. But if you look at old Kodokan videos you"ll see that all the submissions in BJJ come from Judo (Triangle arm bar, leg locks etc..) even guardpulling was part of the ground game. Just Judo is more towards the Ippon and it is more a spectator's sport. BJJ ruined the beauty of Judo nobody understands what happens in BJJ match if they don't practice BJJ
@@meetori5175 Most Judo competition fights throughout the world are not Olympic fights. If youve been to many amateur or kids level Judo competitions they dont just get stood up the instant the ground game looks like it might slow down like international level fights. In fact, growing up, most of the Junior fights i saw or fought in were won by ippon from pinning your opponent for a set period of time, and less often by a perfectly executed ippon scoring throw. Still quite distinguishable from BJJ, but to my original point, very different from what non practitioners think Judo is based on what they see on TV.
Im also not actually 100% convinced that even the BJJ ruleset is really its own invention either. It almost identically resembles Kosen Judo rules, which far predate BJJ and is even still largely practiced in Japan today.
Quite honestly the only thing I am convinced is purely the invention of BJJ is its adaptation of Judo's Newaza techniques to be executed without GI. That, I will admit, is a highly revolutionary step that BJJ can credit itself for, as without it I doubt that we would be seeing as technical of a ground game in MMA.
6 years of Bjj means your Newaza is pretty damn good.
Well my fundamentals are very strong, but i would need to be more technical and develop a system of constant attack to up my game. All in due time.
Being a practioner of both bjj and judo. I lean towards a judo background for self defense especially in a multiple attacker situation. Having been jumped by multiple attackers, judo was a literal life saver. So many bjj practioners who have never been in a real street fight think it's always a 1v1 situation. Always assume there are more than 1 opponent and that they have a weapon. Best defense is not to fight, but when worse comes to worse, assisting an assailant through the air and onto concrete at a high rate of speed will usually give the other attackers time to rethink their future endeavors on causing you harm.
Another occurrence that made me rethink bjj was when I saw a bjj classmate of mine get into a situation outside a bar. He took the guy to the ground beautifully, mounted him, and was about to lock him up in a joint lock and wait for authorities to show up. Another dude came up from behind and stabbed my classmate in the back allowing him and his buddy that was getting mounted to run off. It happened so fast. That event changed my whole life when it comes to bjj. I stopped going to bjj classes after that.
Bjj underestimate throws a lot.
@@leo523 imo BJJ shouldn’t be a separate sport, it should be apart of Judo (considering it was)
@@Stickergeek619 cool story bro 😂
@@Stickergeek619 you make a good point. Always asume a third person is nearby. People out there don't fight fair. There's no tournament in the streets
Yeah Judo hands down better for self defence. Its not even close.
But Judo and Bjj complement each other crazy well. Honestly they should be one sport/martial art taught in one class.
It's about mixing the two along with wrestling.
Nah judo is just superior
Pure cope but ok@@draco_1876
Facts, wrestling is the most dangerous base. Adding judo makes you unstoppable
My teacher and I started a Judo School in Nor-Cal and it ran for 20 years. We were 3 1/2 hrs from where Judo competitions took place. Since we couldn't compete we focused on Traditional Judo, our classes were Kata, standing, and groundwork. Most people don't realize that traditional judo incorporates punching and kicking, which is taught within the 7 katas. Judo is very effective in self-defense. The belt system was 3 white, 3 brown, and 10 black. There is a way to achieve your black belts without doing competitions, it just takes more time. We always welcomed visiting Judokas from the bay area, it was fun to do randori with competitive black belts, my teacher was very technical, sloppy Judo was not allowed and we weren't allowed to specialize in a single technique, which meant learning all the throws and being proficient. We let MMA fighters train with us for a while, but we realized that a.) they never stayed for more than a few months (they only wanted to learn a specific technique) b.) time teaching a temporary student, took time away from the students who were there to just focus on Judo and it wasn't fair to them. My instructor trained for decades in San Francisco in Japantown and our school was sponsored by Miss Fukuda who was taught by Jigaro Kano. That being said, after 20 years I never formally got my black belt, why you ask? It never mattered. Nothing would have changed, I would have still been training 8 hours a week, after 20 years it would have been based on ego, besides being a "sleeper" was fun. I quit Judo after 20 years and my teacher died. It's still important to me and I still do Solo kata and solo judo training, eventually, I may don a Gi again.
I like the idea of doing the martial arts for fun and for learning self defense . Thank you for posting this reply
Awesome, what town/city? ... I trained at the Solano College Judo Club for 8 years. I had the honor of meeting ms.Fukuda just over 20yrs ago at City College in San Francisco.
Yikes, you were 3hrs from tournaments? Were you in Eureka, Redding, Susanville? ... I gave up Judo once my rheumatoid arthritis got bad. But i do miss it training and competing. We would drive all over Norcal and the central valley chasing competitions. It drove our progress - but the real fun was drilling and randori. Our teams were always full of ex-wrestlers, like me. We kept the work rate high and everyone strived to figure out what set of throws worked for their body type and level of athleticism.
Coming from an old Japanese judo school back in the 70s and still active in judo I'm a strong believer in ground work as standing the same principals should be applied in both and also in atemi waza I learned since the beginning of my journey that judo is an advanced form of jujitsu is a martial art designed to to attack and defend against our opponents bjj/judo is the same to me I'm not a bjj practitioner I'm a judoka my last BJJ tournament I fought a guy that's been doing bjj for 17 years he couldn't stand with me and on the ground we were equally match very similar I made my points he made his I lost by 2 points but my throws were never counted for.. I had a lot of fun didn't understand their rules but i enjoyed it i love the ground work I like visiting bjj schools I do have grate respect for bjj but judo is my first love.
I know this is 3 years old, but I hope you're still practicing and it's great to hear from someone who has respect for other martial arts coming from a different martial art. The martial arts world has never before been so judgmental of itself than it has, now. It reminds me of the old 70s Kung Fu movies where everyone's style is better than everyone else.
Cultivating humility will always keep your art fresh, grinding out an ego will make everyone around seem like an enemy.
You make a really good point about how chill the black belts are in Judo. I got to spar with a black belt in my first class in Judo. In BJJ I was partnered with another new person and we were scolded for wrestling. Neither of us even knew BJJ yet lol.
lol
I've spent 8 years in BJJ and my coach says that all BJJ should implement Judo throws! BJJ today have many complex ground techniques that I don't think are necessary for self defense. The culture of BJJ is very different from Judo. I think it's because it's integrated into the Brazilian culture and not Japanese, which the Japanese tend to show more humility. And yes you are right about BJJ having back issues. I definitely have lower back issues.
Judo is murderous on the lower back
I also think Bjj should incorporate Judo throws. I've seen videos of trained Bjj fighters in real fights and the thing I've noticed is Bjj fighters tend have a hard time in street fights until the fight hits the ground. In a real fight ppl don't just fall down and let u get top of them like how Bjj fighters train. Not knocking Bjj because it gets the job done on the ground but it's that awkward period of time before u hit the ground that ppl who train in Judo are very well trained in dealing with that Bjj fighters tend to struggle with.
@@DanieleBolelli1 On the other hand, and to be fair, lower back pain is probably the most prevalent human ailment in existence next to the headache. In other words, a million things can cause lower back pain, including just being sedentary.
The Diffence may be our Instructor also teaches Judo Throw but we also Implement as many Wresting Takedowns as Judo Throws ... yes Judo has the single and double leg takedown but why are they outlawed in Judo Competition, then Judo guys really dont train them even through they are in the Judo Cannon of Throws
@@krane15 ...True...just sitting/standing for long periods of time with bad posture can cause lower back pain.
In my opinion (I've been in Martial Arts for over 40 years) Judo has a lot to offer in terms of practical self-defense skills , the throwing techniques are quick fight enders and provide tremendous lifting leverage to the smaller defender.
which is why when an uber driver asked me what martial art i would recommend for his son who was bullied at school, i recommended judo over muay thai
@@keithcheng4671, well it's not actually a good advice. An uber driver's son should had started in Muay Thai to get used to hitting and getting hit. After that Judo is great.
@@danilpankov8114 judo provides training in throws, toss and some ground work, all of which are extremely useful in real fights. And besides, it’s just my opinion that if you are a kid, don’t spar, to avoid head trauma. Striking arts like Muay Thai will only help you in real life if you spar in the gym. The realistic practice in judo will guarantee its practicality in real life while avoiding head trauma
@@keithcheng4671, if your uber driver lives in Thailand, then yes his kid may would had head trauma. But full contact sparrings are a rare thing.
It's good if he could do a throw or a submission not taking a punch. But you need to train for this specifically. And to take a punch you need to be prepared to take a punch, and what's even better- know how to defend it. And this what judo doesn't train.
@@danilpankov8114 as I said, a striking art only works if you spar (same everywhere in the world) and if you spar, you will take damage. Everything in life is risk vs reward and thus I would pick the middle ground and in this case judo.
Just started doing judo, super excited to get into it and really start learning! Been watching every UA-cam video about it I can find.
@@johnathangoldblatt2931 sweet, let me know if you have any questions
One of the things that drives me crazy about BJJ is that it takes forever to get ranked and most of the time, most schools have no set curriculum. I have buddies that are purple belts now, but were white belts for 3-4 years before getting their blue. In BJJ, you really have no idea what skills you need to learn to get to blue belt (or any other belt). Yes, I realize there are videos on that, but watch them, and you'll see that opinions differ quite a bit about when you are now ready for your blue belt or another color. However, in judo, there is a set curriculum, you know what requirements exist for each rank, and you can work the snot out of those in drilling and randori/newaza and then test for it.
that's great if you care about belts
Great video from the heart. I've always wanted to learn a martial art. This video helped a lot. I'm going to train in Judo next year.
Awesome! Happy to have convinced you. 🙏🥋🙇♂️
BJJ don't have stand up game, most of them are too afraid fighting standing up, most of them just straight pull on close guard
From my experience its true, unless they have a strong wrestling or judo skills they tend to pull guard and butt scoot quick! Lol
Then why does bjj dominate the ufc and mma? Just learn stand up like kickboxing and muy thai and learn bjj for the ground. Most fights end up on the ground....its call gravity.
@@peteramarillo8952 while its true that 90% of fights go to the ground... it is important not to forget that 99.99% of fights start standing up.
it's not how a fight starts that matters.... it's how it finishes!!
@@peteramarillo8952 both matter
Your statement on judo black belt is so true.
Once I got my blackbelt, it helped me understand judo better. It took me about 8 years to get to my blackbelt and along the way you learn so much. At first, i thought great I got my black belt i can now take it easy but eventually realized it was only the start to the journey in perfecting my skills. Loved your video buddy
My thing is I teach judo, Jujitsu, Wrestling, and stand up martial arts so I didn’t need to switch anything I just need to make everything better
your an lucky man brother!!!
love that comment -
"... just make all of them better.."
perfect 🌑
IM A SAMBO practitioner...I cant figure out BJJ.Do they honestly think that a street fight is going to start on the ground...absolutely stupid.The dojo im at continually gets BJJ guys coming in to learn.What they quickly learn is were going to throw them to the mat over and over again.Plus we tell everyone our mentality...REAL MEN FIGHT STANDING UP.
Sambo is rare to find
I am a traditional Goju Ryu karateka who has done BJJ as well. Recently found a judo school and fell in love. I find that a lot off BJJ guys have turned into the bro squad and that has always annoyed me. Still like BJJ but Goju Ryu and Judo is where I will stay.
Thats awesome man!!
what do you mean, bro squad?
@@hyperion050 Nothing is better than BJJ bro. Embrace the grind bro. Come on bro don't wuss out bro. Check me out bro. Watch me straight bar curl in the squat rack for an hour bro to then text and take selfies between sets bro.
Bro squad,, so true.
@Amusis damm right .I study both and love them both,
judo teaches me humbleness and being to adjust my mind to an effortless state. it is metaphysical,
I’m sorry you had this experience to be BJJ. I think it is truly is dependent on the school in Culture that the professor has built up. In my school , I find it to be a welcoming and family like atmosphere. I am currently a brown belt in BJJ and I have never been turned turned down by a black belt nor have I ever turned down lower belts to roll. As with any martial arts humbleness and humility are key to progress. I wish you the best of luck on your journey and hope you find a BJJ school that you may find your passion for bjj once again
AMEN to humility and self control :) So glad to watch your vlog.... keep it up!
Judo is pretty hard to find in my area, so I just train wrestling and practice stuff from Judo tutorials from UA-cam but someday I’d like to stumble across a dedicated Judo school. I’ve found an MMA gym that does some Judo stuff occasionally (even though I can’t go consistently because of school and distance) but I have never seen a straight up Judo school in person before, especially not here in Georgia. If I’m blessed with the opportunity to train Judo though I wouldn’t pass it up, it seems like a really awesome and fun martial art.
Three years ago, but I hope you found your Judo school. It is really hard to find. It's unfortunate since it is so great. There's bjj everywhere, but not enough Judo, at least where I am.
Judo = wrestling with a jacket, you will be far better off knowing wrestling when it comes to progressing in judo
I thought that guy who abandoned his Aikido teaching career for MMA and BJJ (Martial Arts Journey) could have used Judo and Boxing to help his practical fighting abilities but still stay in Aikido and traditional Martial Arts.
My club trains both. One of our players won a BJJ tournament using only yellow belt judo curriculum and all submission wins.
A year ago I saw a video in which a BJJ guy mentions the problems you are mentioning against BJJ against karate and other traditional martial arts. Has BJJ started its downfall I wonder...
I wouldnt say downfall but i do know judo is starting to pick up again i feel, IJF are starting to advertise more and pushing ground competitions
@@OGFITNESS, so you are saying that IJF is reallowing what they had discarded from the art before... That would be interesting.
@@sahinsarkar7293 well not grabbing the legs and all but they are trying to get people back that they loss to bjj by organizing world championships in newaza (ground fighting) and they've put more effort into their marketing.
Sahin Sarkar what video was this do you have a link please? It is a rarity on UA-cam however Bjj is been studied and exposed the same way the Gracie’s we’re doing to other martial arts ironic :)
Loved your commentary! I'm a current orange belt in Judo and it not only expands my fighting skills, it has helped me become mentally tough. Having trained martial arts for 15 years, with backgrounds in Kung Fu (Black sash), Japanese Jujitsu (black belt), Boxing, Sanda (Chinese Kickboxing/MMA) and Combatives (certified instructor), Judo has helped put me back in the shoes of my beginning students once again. You have a new subscriber. Much respect! 🤜🤚
Your an OG too when it come to martial arts! Awesome. Thanks for the support brother! Osu!!
Hopefully you stuck to it brother id like to o ow your belt ranking now sense its been foyr years.
I just started a year ago and I am an orange as well I promised to stick to it until my boy gets his black belt .
@@purplekilo9157 Unfortunately Covid and having to shut down (and rebuild) my martial art school has kept me off the mat until now. I'm getting back into Judo once summer hits though! Hopefully you can stick to it until Black belt! 😁💪🏿🥋👊🏿
I really agree with your opinions . Never heard it expressed like that. Well put !!!
If you are ever in NYC, visit Kano Martials Arts. The two head coaches were US national champions and Olympic alternates. Great training and great atmosphere.
Thx for the invite, bout 1 more year and ill be able to head down
@@OGFITNESS look up Shintaro Higashi on UA-cam. He is one of our coaches. Shows very good techniques on his channel.
@@kenn.alexander Good information, thanks!
Thanks for the video bro!I just got back to judo after 32 years and had the opportunity to practice BJJ once and my impression is that BJJ is a mutilated form of judo, since there is no standing fight. On the other hand, some judo schools don’t practice as much newaza, but that’s not the case in my dojo where half of the practice is newaza and the rest is just standard randori.I had my first competition in Japan last month and finished in third despite having a torn ligament on my knee. I’ll surely get my black belt in the next tournament in September. Keep it up!
Bjj has a high dropout rate. Everybody has their reasons.
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@@Mike_LaFontaine75 yes
@@SereneJudo 2 (1 trainer and 1 student). There is a judo gym near my house that offer private class only because there are not many students.
@@SereneJudo This is true somewhat, but my last club concentrated on competition and had a dozen adults and a couple of kids. Not to mention many teens drop out to pursue the glory of high school sports, which leave no time for judo. Also, Judo can be hard on the body, as an Ikyu I would have to take dozens of throws from beginners just about every class. Beginners throw awkwardly ,as expected, and you end up taking falls from weird angles.After 40, it gets hard to keep getting up.
@@SereneJudo frightening as in not many drop outs? or frightening as in many drop outs?
I trained in Judo for about 4 years, also trained in BJJ for about 4 years. I agree with a lot of what you said. I really like the technical side of BJJ, and though I did meet some great people in the gym, I didn't like the general culture of the place. I'm not saying all BJJ gyms are like the one I went to, but beyond the things that you mentioned about being viewed as a traitor (creonte) for training at other gyms, asking higher belts too roll etc... things like making racist, sexist, homophobic jokes were not only allowed to happen, but were emboldened by the "professors". Things like infidelity was also encouraged on the annual BJJ vacation, once you were in the "inner circle"... and this was not at some "meathead" mma gym, but a gym that prided themselves on being a "family gym". It wasn't like the people in that gym were "mean" to you, just that you were expected to be subordinate to that toxic culture. I found that the word "family" in BJJ essentially translates into "cult". When you came to our gym, the prof would say "welcome to our family", "join the family", "we are a family"... but after being there for a while, you start to realize what that really means is "you're either with us or against us, and if you're not with us, you're the enemy". I think it was Joe Rogan who said something like "BJJ is a healthy cult", but a cult by definition is not healthy. I actually really enjoyed the art itself, but in the end I decided that the culture was just too toxic for me to stay around, which is ironic considering how BJJ is constantly sold as a healthy lifestyle. Again, I do not mean to paint every BJJ club like this, but the one I was at, and some I visited, had enough of this kind of culture for me to make an opinion.It's a shame because I really like the art itself.
I also really like the art of Judo, and I much prefer the general dojo culture. I'm not saying that there were never assholes in Judo, cause they do exist, but what I've found with martial arts schools is that they were top do hierarchies, and the general culture of the schools are set by what is passed down and practiced from the top. For all the criticisms of the formalities in traditional etiquette, it does have an impact in the culture of those schools. I found the Judo dojo culture to be much more healthy, IME. My Judo school was pretty big and there were a lot of high level black belts, and if you were standing on the sidelines during randori (sparring), you were always encouraged to seek out a black belt. I was not a huge fan of the Judo groundwork (newaza), and I do feel the BJJ's grappling is generally more sophisticated, which is no surprise considering the mount of time they spend on the mat (though there are some extremely good judoka with strong ground work), but if I had to choose, I do prefer throwing to grappling. Judo has a steeper learning curve. You can get good at BJJ much fast than you can get good at Judo, but once you start pulling off clean throws during randori, it's the best feeling.
This is not meant to sway anyone towards either art, it's just my experience, and everyone can make up their own minds.
There is also Kosen Judo, which based on my current research has a focus on ground techniques.
It's too rare though.
Ground techiniques em judô os called Ne Waza. Simple,. Bjj is Ne Waza using diferent rules.
@Lew. mostly Japanese universities to be fair, there are a few "freestyle" judo tournaments in Europe and the US however, where the rules are more like BJJ than Olympic style Judo.
I've trianed BJJ 5 years and started Judo 2 years ago, I trian bjj now to better my judo. Judo is cheaper, I prefer the vibe and I like learning the culture. What I would say is judo is harder to master. A 3 stripe white belt could destroy a newbie, but in Judo that doesn't happen till your about blue belt.
I was meaning to put this on the main comments
This is a great explanation of the difference in your eyes. I studied Judo as a child and wanted to start up again and this steered me towards Judo again. Thank you for this video! Big Thumbs up! 👍
I've been practicing judo for over 20 years now. I went to one BJJ locally where I moved before the lock down started.
I was pretty surprised by the fact beginners weren't training with brown belts. Aslo the price indeed is crazy high!
There are interesting elements to BJJ for sure, but was ver surprised b these facts, to me it doesn;t make sense to not work with people better than you, vise versa, practicing with someone who has less experience, will always teach you alot.
u had the same experience as me then, crazy huh?
Know this is very late but in my bjj school its fairly affordable. Also, we train with a mixture of all belts so maybe that's just the schools in other areas.
So, i can't speak for every GJJ school but i know a ton. .. A lot of higher belts don't like to roll with white belts because of the high injury rate. White belts tend to thrash around and use a ton of force because they lack skill. They hurt themselves and others. ..... Having said that.... I started Judo BEFORE GJJ. I did judo for 8 years. And folkstyle wrestling before that. ... I agree that the system of teaching Judo is a lot more sophisticated than BJJ. I think self-restraint is also more natural for judo. And that's the main point of why higher belts don't train with lower belts in BJJ. .... In judo, the white belts are more restrained. The consequences of getting slammed on your head by an aggressive black belt seem far higher -- than getting your guard passed and lapel choked by a BJJ black belt. ...And I think BJJ white belts are encouraged to embrace a dog-eat-dog survival of the fittest method. I think it's counterproductive but hopefully that will change.
Excellent commentary - I have been a black belt for 30 years in Judo, (World Grand Prix circuit competition and recently Masters World Gold Medallist) and 7 years in BJJ (purple belt Masters World Champion 5X) and I've never been able to articulate the differences... (I tried on my UA-cam channel videos) - and this is an excellent video explanation which I very much respect... thank you for this O.G.Fitness...
Awesome narration brotha! I learnt some valid points on judo watching this. Thank you!
Glad to hear it!
Thinking of making the switch myself. Blue belt in BJJ but much more interested in stand up grappling/wrestling, and can't really afford BJJ at the moment
Go for it, I've trained judo and bjj from when I started 2 years ago. I think of judo as basically stand up BJJ, it's like physical chess. Setting traps for your training partners and taking advantage of opportunities. Ive also done catch wrestling more recently, I just love grappling. Good luck on ur journey
Im making a video soon and calling it, ‘Be a man, Just do Judo Already’ hehe, i love bjj as well, but goddman its expensive.
@OGFITNESS there are Cheaper BJJ gyms, my coach charges £45 per month, thats about $77 Canadian Dollars. I personally think for daily training that isn't too bad.
Hello very interesting video, I also practiced BJJ and I had backaches so I have not continued, you can also notice that the BJJ is a bit disorganized for learning, however, Judo catches my attention a lot throughout its history and because the practice is made of standing that is a more natural state for the human, I am also a kyokushin karate practitioner from there my interest in Japanese art. I have not started practicing Judo yet but your comments clarified many things to me.
Regards from Montreal.
Never give up.
OSU
Ohe mon frérot suis à Montréal aussi. Tu t’entraînes où ?
Very nicely said. U were very clear and expressive about your personal experiences and feelings. Very accurate as well, from my experience. I hope to encounter U again soon on UA-cam.
Just sub and turn the notification bell on. Osu!
Judo is the way. I'm a black belt in Kosen Judo and got the ground game plus the takedown and throws. Judo is more complete and creates a better fighter. Welcome to Judo. :)
Great info im thinking about starting judo.
Its more fun, but more risk of injuries
Excellent explanation of both arts\schools pros & cons. I'd add that a focus on developing Kuzushi is what distinguishes Kodokan Judo from BJJ. And developing Kuzushi is crucial to unarmed Combat defense. BJJ for me only has combatives value in it's superior ground escapes for getting off the ground when being held down by a stronger larger predator.
My BJJ coach trained judo for 20 years before moving to BJJ. He said BJJ is where old judokas go to retire. The reason is that judo is really hard on your body. You're falling 100 times a day which takes a toll on you even with proper ukemi. My point is if longevity and sustainability is your priority, BJJ might be a better choice.
I'm 56, and NOT as muscular as I could be to continue in judo much longer. (I didn't maintain; I went lean and light in my mid-forties for a return to soccer.) _Ukemi_ are more a concern _because training with newer, aggressive, 24-year-olds_ though! It demands a higher degree of wiley on my part.
did Judo for over 25 years (international). recently switched to bjj. I am a blue belt. I like the idea to be ignored by higher belts, but I insist :) and yea, just a few people want to do standing with me, but I am very gentle and always smiling
have fun, Judo used to be an amazing sport, when they allowed to grab legs
Doing both and you are absolutely 5000% correct!BJJ got a lot of hype cause of marketing policy. Some say that on the upcoming "4year circle"(within two olympic games where IJF changes ruleset) leg grabs will be back on game again.
As for what you said in comparison with the ranking system. Judo black belt means i have seen the textbook. Theoritically a 3rd dan black belt on a very serious and high level school is the assistant coach. High level practitioners start from the 5th Dan +. Post 6th Dan in judo you have to do R&D.
That would be awesome if they put back in the legs! Its so much more fun and it changes everything in shiai. I've seen black belts who only have their first dan black belt in judo, quite a lot from my experience, its just guys who don't feel like studying and jumping through the hoops to get their dans, When i get my black belt then i'll decide where i want to go from there, but with time my physicality will fade so i might go for them because i just love the sport and i always want to be involved.
Sounds like you went to some pretty shitty Jiu Jitsu schools holy crap I’ve never experienced that everyone is usually chill lol.
They all are
I think you’re right. I train at Pedro Sauer HQ. Our high belts are cool. Even as a white belt I was able to roll with the brown and black belts. They were helpful. I also did seminars at other schools and our school was cool with it,
@TheOne111 but if there is no space they have to separate them
The part about not being able to roll at other clubs was spot on. Fuck the tribalism. MFs act like school children fighting over their side of the play ground.
Same i used to do BJJ as well and the black belts at my club are so chill and easy going. I rolled with them from time to time no problem haha
I recently joined a judo dojo. Should've done that from the beginning.
@@SebastianGallardo-z8b i know the feeling
I didn’t understand Brazilian Jiu-jitsu until I started looking at old Judo books and watching Judo videos on UA-cam. It’s a whole system that teaches you grappling as a whole, from clinch to pin to submission. When they teach you falls (ukemi) you’re learning throws. When you’re learning throws you’re learning sweeps and submissions. It’s fantastic. That said I’m still doing Jiu-jitsu 😂
Jimmy Alderson yes, I started at a Rickson Gracie school and we learned takedowns and self-defense scenarios. They are both systems of grappling but they are not the same system, they’re quite different.
My point was that 1. everything was a hodge podge, chaos, until I studied some Judo (so it’s not entirely obvious that Jiu-jitsu is a complete system of grappling on its own). And 2. Judo’s proper system is integrated and it’s pedagogy is like magic for the reasons I described above. When you’re learning a backwards break fall on your first day, you’re also learning a tomoe nage and a reversal from guard into an armbar-you just don’t know it yet.
Also some clubs put a heavy emphasis on newaza our club even cross trains with bjj guys on the weekends and does newaza days during the weekdays mostly.
What would be better for self defense on the street? Judo or BJJ?
Definitely judo imo, all fights start standing. Ill make a video discussing that. 😁
Krav Maga!
@@OGFITNESS Thanks
@@OGFITNESS BJJ has way more footage of real life street confrontations compared to Judo these days due to social media and for the most part it works fine. Not saying Judo sucks (imo both work fine)but I think you're gonna need detailed analysis and evidence to back up your opinion on why Judo works better. The fact that fights start on the feet is a non-sequitor and a bit of strawmanning
just learn them all. A good mma gym would have both bjj and judo classes. Judo good for bring your opponent to the ground. bjj, you'll learn how to escape from being pinned on the ground.
At the few different judo clubs I trained, ground sparring was at least 50% of the sparring. It’s practical because it requires less space and it builds grappling-specific endurance
I don't train BJJ anymore, so I don't feel one way or another about the BJJ vs judo debate, but it sounds more like this guy had a bad experience at a BJJ school than anything else. While I'm glad that his posture improved, I do just want to add that judo and wrestling have a much higher rate of serious injury than BJJ does, particularly in terms of knee injuries and concussions. For the average guy who trains for fun, BJJ is much more low-impact than judo.
I train both and i dont agree with you.If u can train with very high level students you often are safe.When people dont have full control they can go too hard on submissions,and hurt people.Seen that alot.Ive seen more injuries in BJJ then Judo.Also when people got too big ego they are dangerous to roll with.Got to be able to trust your partner.
There's actually a systematic review of studies that showed head injuries are more common in BJJ than in Judo. And in Judo the main cause of the head injuries was novices not understanding how to breakfall effectively, as head injuries in people who have practiced Judo for a long time were very rare. Conversely, the higher rate of head injuries in BJJ was attributed to the fact that they don't train breakfalls enough/at all.
Great video brother its spot on. You outlined it very well. I do both bjj and JUDO but i LOVE Judo !
Thx brother, Glad you enjoyed it!
Muay thai kickboxer here. And I've always been fascinated with Catch Wrestling because of it's aggressive approach compared to BJJ; the latter being more passive instead of sizing up an opponent from the moment of stand up game. Largely due to the lack of slams & throws, which Catch Wrestling & Judo isn't short of! Never underestimate the importance of a well-placed body slam to the ground - that alone can nerf an opponent's healthbar by 50% even before the ground-game starts. I honestly feel that BJJ isn't a bad system but it is more complex technically & thus, not everyone can master BJJ to black belt level whereas Judo & Wrestling tends to be grounded in the basics. That gives it a wider appeal in terms of application i.e. you don't need to be a master first in order to save your skin in a self-defense situation.
Where I train at we get shown a technique then do randori both standing and sitting, I've actually learned a lot of BJJ concepts from Judo.
Thats because BJJ is Basically Just Judo brother, hahahahah, really it's where it comes from, the Brazilians didn't invent nothing, they just push the one on one aspect of it and set up some rules to make it a sport, but outside of one on one and sport, it's not a good idea to hang around too long on the ground if you dont have to.
Hello! It was nice to found this video, recently I am considering to start judo too, reason is to improve my take down and stand game, also I agree with ur mentioned issues. The only one thing
I’m 47 and would love to do judo here in the 🇬🇧. But think I might pick up some horrendous injuries? Looks like a young mans game? Could be wrong though? Wish I’d spent my younger years doing judo instead of karate!🙄✌🏻
Do Jiu Jitsu, its way safer than Judo when it comes to injuries. And its also just as affective if not more. This guy just went to a bad gym. He should of tried multiple trials before going to Judo. Plus it's recommended you get into BJJ before Judo, they both compliment eachother. I respect both sports but I'm realistic. Judo guys on the ground don't survive against BJJ guys. Also, 20 years ago was the best time to start, but the second best time to start is right now. Good luck on your journey man.
I love bjj. But I and my partners went to wrestling for learning throws
Great video!
Thanks!
I live and train in interior of Brazil. I'm a brown belt in BJJ. The feeling is that Judo is dying here. I would like to learn and have a great club to practise, but it does not exist here.
Really? I would have thought there are many judo clubs in Brazil. Thanks for the information Augusto!
@@OGFITNESS Here judo is more common to kids, adults usually do BJJ.
Depends. I’m from São Paulo. Judo is huge there. A lot of schools and really strong tournaments. Brazilian national team is strong. From 2005 onwards, we’ve had our share of world and Olympic champions and medalists. I’d go to 5 different clubs to train. Amazing people with great technique.
Thanks for sharing your story. I was really interesting to listen to.
I had the same idea about wrestling
Finally found a good dojo. They offer two programs. The first is Kodokan Judo & the second is Combat Judo without wearing the gi. There's elements of Kickboxing so actual Sparring involved.
That will work for me as some of the arts I have a background in are TKD JKD as well as Muay Thai.
4th degree black belt in Judo (brown belt in BJJ) here... both have merits, both are worth cross-training... most judo clubs (including the one I own) have a 50/50 split with Ne-waza (which is essentially BJJ) and Tachi-waza (standup) so you can usually get both at a judo club (and often times for half the price) - I talk at length about this on my UA-cam channel as well... After I retired from the Grand Prix international judo circuit, I opened my eyes about a lot of stuff... and discovering BJJ in my later years was a blessing... Judo and BJJ both have pro's and con's, depending on the region, instructors,class mix, intent of club (rec or comp), etc etc... Too many variables but both are awesome and all people should practice both!
I’m a kid of the 90s so I learnt kick boxing and and Kung Fu coz that’s what Van Damme did 20 years pass and I’m in my 50s and I feel the need to pick up a martial art again so I started Judo and man what an eye opener that was. Jubokas are so inhumanly strong it was shocking. My club owner is a former commonwealth team member and would have gone to the Olympics but for an injury. And even in his late 69s the fear I feel when he grabs by gi to demonstrate something is real. Kick boxing never left me feeling so exhausted and never gave me the feeling of accomplishment that I feel when I get a throw to work. The ground work is great but in a street situation nothing will end a conflict faster than actually wanting someone to grab you or throw a punch at you so you can get that hold and put in a hard throw to the ground. Lots of people have been punched but not many have experienced being slammed into the ground. In short Judo rocks
Judo at 50 ! Beast! Im 44 right now, 45 soon, grew up in the 80s and 90s, watching van damme, sly, arnie, bruce of course, i only started grapplling at 30 (bjj) and judo at 36, that why i always say that if i grab a sucka who doesnt know judo or any kind of grappling and i hit a solid throw on them, its most likely hospital time. People have no idea how devasting and traumatizing it can be if your first experience of judo is being thrown hard on concrete😂🤷♂️
It is always the person that trains that matters. Coming from a traditional background I can say the discipline I found in Ju do to be some of the most exceptional all around. Of course that depends so much on the teacher. BJJ has good teaching as well, and there are teachers who are exceptional as well. But each person must discover what works for them. It is not about style, nor system, but about the man who practices. It is a journey of learning which we will never complete.
Bros help me out w/ BJJ vs Judo vs Sambo. I'm looking for 1st & foremost most effective self defense (most common situations, able to disable larger opponents), 2nd also a fun competitive sport hopefully w/ lower injury risk
So you switched from Judo to Judo?
LMFAO!!!!!! Thats was great!!!
Didn't know BJJ had the Ippon rule
Interesting when I see Jocko and Joe Rogan talk about BJJ as a super power. One of my coworkers who has done both has said kind of said what you said but did say BJJ specializes in ground.
I do both.My background is Kosen Judo, even at 64 years of age the health benefits are super greater them a few bump and bruises.Oss
I practiced 5 years in Judo and I never had an injury except stubbed my toe. I practiced less then 2 months in BJJ and I hurt my knee bad.
wow, just toe stubbed in 5 years of judo, lucky man!
@@OGFITNESS Judo was originally designed to train soldiers so they wouldn't get hurt before going into battle.
My kids have done judo and bjj to very high levels. Many many tournaments over approx 8 year period. I began to get friendly with many people on the tournament circuits. One such person was the official first aid/EMS person. I noticed quickly that he did Judo AND BJJ tournaments. So, I asked him which tournaments caused more injuries, Judo or BJJ. His answer was - Judo by far. Higher tempo of fighting and higher impact.
i practiced aikido and judo first and then did 11 years of bjj...i always had a edge ...Jiu Jitsu is a good tool and you are only as good as your training partners ..Back in the day 2010 i was cross training gyms and always got the cross eye ...F&* that ,, being good at bjj does not mean you can fight ...how is that humble pie ...I love bjj don't misrepresent ..Great video man talk as much as you want
Okay, you just sold me on training in Judo. I can't wait to start now! Thanks.
May The Force Be With You, Jedi.
Great video btw... 😉👍
Thx brother!
is my knee, I had injured it many years ago,in car accident, now I can adapt it in bjj(blue belt), but what about judo, is it. possible to do this sport safety for leg/knee and adapt it? What do u think?
Very interesting take. I've never "belonged" to any BJJ gym, I'm a nomad, but I can kind of see the points you're making in regards to the attitude of some bjj players and schools. I was just watching a judo black belt test video prior to watching this and it seemed so traditional and structured and I immediately noticed the difference between what you would see at a bjj school vs judo school. I just think judo has held onto more of the traditional martial arts way of doing things and bjj with it's exploding popularity over the last 15 or so years moved away from that. I do wish bjj was more structured in it's teachings and belt tests. That is something I take enormous issue with as the quality of students coming out of different schools vary widely. There needs to be standardization.
Roy Dean does an excellent job at this in his bjj club although he has a black belt in judo and Japanese jiu-jitsu so that would have influenced him.
@@Kev80ification He talks about the problems he had in learning aikido and japanese jiujitsu. ...Also, structure didn't get his judo black belt. .. He got it doing it only a year of judo competition. .... check out his heritage in BJJ. ... He hit the jackpot with some way intellectual instructors with high level methodology. He praises the learning method of bjj & he actually says that aikido should stay alive by following the BJJ method to training.
i want to start judo but they told me that it has a lot of serious injuries
I got scolded for asking a blue to roll at my first BJJ school. I left that night. "Leave your ego at the door" did NOT apply there lol I still train at a BJJ place where higher belts are happy to destroy you lol I have always wanted to train in Judo and still will one day when I find a place closer by.
Bullfrog Jay i mean how long were you training there
Jacob Alcuaz that matters because?
Don't say "one day", plan a day. Otherwise, you'll end up like I did. I took it in college dropped out and never went back. Had a great coach too.
As a BJJ student I recommend you to train elsewhere. I trained BJJ in many places and this behaviour is not common, go train in a less toxic enviroment.
@@aluisiofsjr oh I do. I found a great place where all the belts are super cool. I'm still a white and love training, I am super addicted.
After 5-6 years of training nogi BJJ and doing a few competitions, I recently switched to judo. I’m enjoying it very much, just wish it was easier on the body.
My newaza is definitely far better then the other judo white belts of course, but standing up I am by far the worst as even the new stance (right foot first for a righty which is so weird) is new to me
@@mattbryan1099 i didnt realize the funny stance until it was too late, im a south so i started Judo with my right leg in front 🤦♂️😂
Less bald guys in Judo? I've never taken a Judo class, just an arrest and control class that teaches some Judo foot sweeps. I've considered taking a class but I don't know if my back would handle it.
Thank you for this video really good
I would love to have a Judo place near me.
I bet I can find one for you if you tell me which city you're in.
This is the first time I've seen BJJers not get defensive over criticism of their system.
Moving from BJJ to Judo is like moving from soccer to indoor soccer (or the other way around).
not sure what u mean but thanks for watching.
O.G. FITNESS I mean you can gain a lot from either one. And since you already have some BJJ experiences, you’ll progress fast in Judo. It’s also true that you’d progress fast in BJJ if you had some Judo experiences.
@@FolkeBernadotte2 that's actually not true. Having a background in one won't exactly help you progress in the other. You clearly don't train.
KnucKlez Vallero I’m not gonna talking about my training, but Joe Rogan and Jacko Willink disagree with you. So you think they don’t train because they share my point of view on this issue!
Indoor soccer is a lot easier and a downgrade from outdoor soccer.
I am a Filipino Martial Arts guy who just started taking BJJ recently to add more than just dumog to my ground game and found i do not enjoy BJJ much but I do liked the judo aspect of it and thinking of changing over myself.
What didnt u like about bjj?
@@OGFITNESS I think it is a good art and recommend it but Ii have just not enjoyed it like I do FMA. I did however find I liked doing the throws more than the ground work. I also found I did not like the training methodology in the two schools I have been too i think they both have forgotten to have fun while training and the class structures were a bit regimented for my tastes. Now that I know more about both BJJ and judo I think a more throw heavy system will work better with my Dumog (Filipino wrestling).I honestly expected more throws and standing to ground transitions going in to BJJ. I think it is a mix of the training methodology mixed with what i am not getting out of it that i had expected to get that has me in the "meh zone".
You've mentioned some good points.
1- prices difference
2-structure
3-values
Just adding...im a praticioner of both and i think because of the adjustments been made in order to make judo accessible for everyone and to fit into competetions criteria, unfortunately some techniques are no longer taught, such as leg trows and leg locks.And the newaza(ground techniques) time in competitions has been shortened to few seconds to attempt shime waza=chocks/ Kansetsu wasa=locks or 20 secs osae komi=hold down.
In my humble opinion those are the reasons that a big number of Judokas has been moving to bjj. But for those who are lucky enough to be in a judo dojo were Newaza is been paying the right amount of attention will realise were bjj came from:
Jigoro Kano(judo)-Tomita Tsunejiro(judo)-Mitsuyo Maeda(judo)-Carlos Gracie(bjj)
Just started BJJ and Judo at 41, your videos are great guide
Be careful.
Very insightful video. Thank you !
A great friend of mine shared the expression "Sushin Fudo shin" as the epitomy of a judo player. Strengthening the body, sharpening the edge of your sword with techniques, but use your morality as a sheath.
Would love to start judo, but as a 50+ student, hard to take the bumps.
You have to go into it progressively, do what you’re comfortable and are able to do, talk to the coach about your goals.
@@OGFITNESS Ty very much
I love Judo, but I train BJJ and I dont agree with what you're saying. BJJ has brazilian origin, most teachers are brazilian and the culture is different, but there is humility but in a different way. Everybody gets put in his place, no matter if you're white, purple or black belt. Only bad gims with 3 or 4 people that are top dogs and never get beaten regularly are like that. In good gims people are humble because everybody gets beaten all the time, therefore ego gets checked. Maybe you were in a bad gim. Anyway, judo is awesome so enjoy it.
You realise bjj is an offshoot of judo right? Jigaro Kano who founded judo had a desciple who taught the Gracie's to grapple.
I am 42..my knees aren't for judo😅
I have never ever seen a black belt in bjj almost even remotley "think" about turning down a roll, let alone with a white belt 😂 Wth are y'all talking about?
I was thinking the same thing. If that's what you experienced at your gym, then that's a serious problem. A black belt is happy to role with ANYBODY. Regardless of experience.
Omg, finally someone sane. I don’t know where he trained but a lot of the issues he mentioned are nonexistent in my gym.
I concur. I've never seen, or even heard, of a BJJ black belt at the gyms I've attended turning down a roll with a white belt.
I think it's more a cultural thing than a BJJ thing. Most American and European black belts are pretty chill, but the Brazilian coach at my old BJJ school told flat out the white belts never to ask a higher-ranked belt to roll if we didn't know him. He also said that if we ever went to Brazil to train there, the Brazilian BJJ black belts would probably take it badly.
Gabriel M I don’t know if his coach was Brazilian, but as someone who trains in Brazil I have to say it’s not at all a cultural thing. I’m sure some gyms have people like that (some bjj people are indeed douchy) but I never saw someone denying to roll with a lower belt. We are def not all like that, I promise!
Great channel, thank you for your content, it's very strange that this channel doesn't have lots of subscribers
Hahaha, thanks brother! Appreciate that.