Lost a friend of 30 years to a cult/church. He met a woman in this group. He became very distant and cold. He got married and changed his last name (to hers). Cut off his family and all his friends in a matter of months. Eventually moved away, and no one has heard from him in 10 years. Scary stuff!
@@neiphremiachieo6709 No joke. I noticed a change in his attitude towards his friends and family. Didn't trust them and became cold. It was really quick. One thing a cult will do is badmouth or sabotage the outside world. ie friends and family
Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries; Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time. Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?
I watched this and it’s SO SAD. I hope Robert Shin gets arrested and locked away one day. I hope Miranda returns to her true self one day and leaves this cult behind. The world isn’t blind, we can see this cult-church for what it is. It’s a cult. I hope Prycilla can find peace within herself enough to propel her forward into enjoying a fantastic life.
If/when Miranda leaves she’s going to be just like Pricylla after she finally left, emotionally confused about leaving what she’s known for years and struggling to find herself
@@kendrickdingerMiranda has something Prycilla didn’t have and that’s a loving and caring family. They were there in the beginning and will be there when she comes back there will be a big difference in her ability to be deprogrammed .
Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries; Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time. Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?
100% Scientology is an evil cult founded by a cia agent it run like a CIA too. Katie Holmes fled, & Lia Remeny left. Pop people of praise is a cult that Amy Commey Barrot is in too she should be removed from Supreme Court.
The saddest thing about all this is that the leader of the cult is becoming a millionaire at the expense of the dancers!!! He manipulates them with "belief in God" and they are so blind that they believe he really cares about them. For the cult leader they only represent a lot of money for his pockets. But as they say..... There is no blinder than he who does not want to see... The saddest thing is seeing everything their families suffer when they see their children, it is that horrible situation!!! I hope Robert Shin gets arrested and locked away one day...
they lack discernment and clearly don't read the bible this is why. Now their eyes are open and they see all along that he was the devil a wolf in sheep's clothing.
@@Truthful010 He clearly wasn't called by God. There are so many people preaching without having a supernatural encounter where God has called them to become pastors, they are building their own churches because they have the money to do so and a way with words.
Whoever wants peace of mind and heart should read the Holy Quran and the biography of the Prophet Muhammad, for the Quran is a healing for the breasts and tranquility of the souls, you will not lose anything if you read the Holy Qur'an
Simply evidence many, many people feel strongly about Katie Joy Paulson's affiliation with this production. She is a very problematic source of information, to put it lightly. Her relationship with the truth has proved tenuous at best.
@@siryozen9648thank you. I’m starting to think those people are also a cult. Anyway, Katie Joy aside, there are several people in this trailer saying they were victims and people are straight up ignoring that. Weirdos.
@@NinaPB clearly you haven't done your research into Katie Joy and have no idea about what she's done. Why don't you look into how "credible" she is and then come back to the comments. This isn't members of a cult, these are real life people who have had interactions with her and have watched her cause pain and exploit people. She did this to herself. This is simply caused by her words, actions and behaviours. This is her public reputation. This is how people see her and I myself made a lengthy comment about how I feel sorry for these victims. Katie couldn't give up the spotlight and let the victims speak. She knows her true reputation around UA-cam and around the Web. She knew people were going to take issue with her involvement. She claims to care so much about the victims, but why couldn't she politely step back and let the victims voices shine? Because Katie Joy is a trauma vulture and is not a true advocate for victims. She can't help but take credit for things and insert herself into every story.
Holy wow. I went to school and did theatre with Miranda and remember hearing and seeing all this happening. It’s so crazy to think about. Wishing the best for this family and all those affected in this too.
I hope they tell Miranda's side of the story and do not rely on just her sister and parents. BTW, Miranda did say what was going on shortly after her parents posted their side of the story on social media.
Whoever wants peace of mind and heart should read the Holy Quran and the biography of the Prophet Muhammad, for the Quran is a healing for the breasts and tranquility of the souls, you will not lose anything if you read the Holy Qur'an
@@flyingmomlaura8723 it’s not likely that Miranda was interviewed because usually an active cult isn’t going to let its members speak on something like this.
@@nathena8u do know it was Melanie who brought her sister to this alleged cult right? And she got mad when everyone saw that Miranda is the more talented dancer right? I hope u also know that Miranda met w her sister n family n had Christmas together too. I didn't know cults allow their ADULT members to leave/come n go on their own free will. Kj said those images of the family reunited are a stunt for 7m. Also the wilkings quickly learned who woacb was & told her to leave them alone n take the videos down. So once again kj felt rejected & slighted so she went even harder & stalked n harassed them. U shld get out of the woacb cult bc u look foolish defending satans agent
I just watched. I'm still in shock with this documentary. One thing became very clear: "Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it." But at what price?😢
@@DeannThomas-le2ut Just remember that your real family and friends will probably welcome you back with open arms and love whenever you are ready to leave. This does not have to be your life and the cult does not care about you really.
The leader of that cult is a person who knows how to manipulate each of the members. The dancers work and work and only receive 20 percent of what they earn. The leader of the cult is a very intelligent man in a evil way. How many cults have come to light and people continue and continue believe in those persons who say they are God's chosen ones? It's sad to see the parents suffer from this whole situation, so I hope the trial of robert shin starts soon and they put them in jail for ever.
Serious question, it's that amy different then music artist stating out. Your worst contract is the worst. I get that ,a company spends alot of money to hype you out and then if you tank . All that money is gone. Once your famous, your 2nd contract is much better . 🤷🏻
Finally it will be revealed why all those dancers like Vik and Miranda and B Dash only dance to the same 5 oldies songs!! And why they wear awkward clothing. Why they never just engage with their followers like normal people. And why their comment sections are filled with universal praise and adoration. Their whole shtick is soooo strange!!
Just went to Miranda's IG account and the few pages I looked at were filled with anything but positive comments. They were mostly negative, accusing her of being in a cult. But when I followed Miranda and Vik for a short time about 12-18 months ago, I did notice they kept dancing only to Bee Gees, EWF, Michael Jackson and a few other songs. That was strange. However, Miranda looks beautiful, happy and seems to be thriving. Maybe we all should join a cult (jk)?
Hey cult members in the comment section, don’t make it so obvious by trashing this documentary cause of 1 potential source. There’s first party testimony from several former members that spoke out in this documentary and you’re harping on just 1 person. We feel for you and hope you see the truth soon! Don’t waste years of your young lives worshipping a predator!
Ok I beg of you please do a simple Google search on this woman. Katie Joy is not credible and has very problematic behaviours. People's reactions and comments are based on personal experiences and interactions with this UA-cam creator. Please don't dismiss our voices as victims of Katie Joy, when you are fighting so hard for other victim's voices to be believed. I can assure you I am not a part of any cult and was a flipping subscriber and paying member to Katie before I realized her true intentions are that of making money and not being an advocate and supporter of victims. Our claims and experiences we have witnessed and seen with Katie should be treated no differently than the claims in this docuseries. Please by all means take the time and read my comments and others. Understand we have a right to be concerned given Katie's very problematic track record, that has been documented and proven for everyone to see.
Don't know why my comment is gone but posting again since I'm not a paid bot but a real Canadian women. Ok I beg of you please do a simple Google search on this woman. Katie Joy is not credible and has very problematic behaviours. People's reactions and comments are based on personal experiences and interactions with this UA-cam creator. Please don't dismiss our voices as victims of Katie Joy, when you are fighting so hard for other victim's voices to be believed. I can assure you I am not a part of any cult and was a flipping subscriber and paying member to Katie before I realized her true intentions are that of making money and not being an advocate and supporter of victims. Our claims and experiences we have witnessed and seen with Katie should be treated no differently than the claims in this docuseries. Please by all means take the time and read my comments and others. Understand we have a right to be concerned given Katie's very problematic track record, that has been documented and proven for everyone to see.
I’m excited for this documentary because this cult is real. All these dancers are so ridiculously talented and yet are doing the same handful of choreography to the same handful of oldies, and always posted or credited to Isaiah Shinn who is Robert Shinn’s son (head of the church). That’s just the tip of what’s odd. These dancers deserve better.
That's what religion does, it destroys everything. And you'll see, this whole documentary is a religous propaganda, every interviewed person OUTSIDE of the cult is talking nonstop about religion so this comment thread will be littered with god sucking morons, they gather like flies when they see a feeble minded person they can suck the blood off and convert into their sect.
@@crunchyrubble religion is the same as cult on a larger scale. i can't explain this to you since you believe in ghosts goblins and gods. you're incapable to see the light.
Very true.... Ive seen family members do this within families towards those in the family with money-!! Doesnt even have to be outside the family. Its all about people wanting money, status, attention etc. Its dangerous and takes self discipline to say No to it.
Yes and her name is Katie Joy Paulson from Without a crystal Ball who pitched and put this documentary together. KJ was sued 2 years ago by Robert SHINN and Miranda/Bdash. So the woman who put this all together is being sued by the people she wrote the documentary about. Kinda seems like she would benefit from further slandering the people actively suing her.
Ugh, when that girls father talked about seeing her and his wife said if you let her go we will never get you back and he said I struggled but then I had to give up….crushed. A father should never feel like he should give up fighting for his child and the fact that he felt he had to is just crushing. But what else can a parent do in that situation
Katie joy Paulson/Without a Crystal Ball is associated with the making of this film. If you do a simple dive on UA-cam you can see how shady she is. The information this film was gathered by her, according to her. It may be untrustworthy.
Get a life. There are victims of this cult in this doc sharing their experiences. Your obsessive hate is detrimental to the victims. Absolutely disgusting. You think there’s not a whole team working on these docs vetting the information? 🙄 The confirmation bias is strong with you all.
@@GabrielTheMagolorMainnothing that person commented is untrue tho. Maybe you should get a life you supporting someone whi made thousands of dollars off Garrisons su1cide.
Came here from Miranda’s post of instagram…didn’t even know this documentary came out but apparently they are currently in court for defamation and etc.
And it’s so shady that Netflix puts this out. Netflix is making a lot of money on this series and clearly they don’t care about anyone involved. It’s as if Netflix is a cult and no one sees it
No that’s not it. Katie Joy from WOACB is the one that pushed for this documentary and is a known liar and is a very cruel person. There is a community that spreads awareness about Katie’s horrible behavior and are likely responding to this documentary. Katie has been sued by Robert Shinn in a defamation lawsuit so we are familiar with her antics behind the scenes. She is extremely manipulative and twists the truth. She also made over 30 videos exploiting a young man’s suicide to line her pockets. She will exploit anyone for money. Shes an awful person.
@@Sweetpea064 what are you even on about, there are multiple victims speaking out in this documentary and you're trying to paint it all as a lie because of some woman. You 100% sound like a cult member.
LMAO did you see how she talk to her dad? Embarrassing. You see how she blamed him for her joining a cult? You call that strong? Sleeping with a Married man? And then turning around and calling it grape? Where is the strength? Strength is except and responsibility in the world that you played in the bad decisions in your life. And making better decisions going forward. Not being stuck in the past trying to correct things you have no control over. That’s mentally unstable.
Really really interesting that almost all of these comments are about Without a Crystal Ball and Katie Paulson and deleting Netflix accounts lol its almost like a bunch of people got together and came up with a tactic against this documentary. Probably for a reason.
🤣 TOO funny you are; it’s ppl like YOU who get sucked into KJ’s cult…it’s easier not to thick THAT MANY PEOPLE DESPISE KJ, isn’t it. Well truth is: SHE REALLY IS THAT DESPISED! Bc of the YEARS of harm we’ve all witnessed! For gosh sakes, FREAKING GOOGLE the trauma vulture! (Or don’t…continue being one of her blind 🐑🐑 cult followers)
I hope all this talented, beautiful people in that cult will come to there senses and leave that "pastor" all this comments here are from bots paid by that " greedy pastor"
Oh, wait I remember coming across this on TikTok 2 years ago and being amazed by thinking the whole thing was batshit crazy. I remember watching some videos of this particular family talking about losing contact with their sister/ daughter (not sure if it was Miranda's family). It could be the same family in this video I'm still not sure but it's incredibly sad seeing them still going through this. She needs to come back to her family and wish every of these families to get their children back. The trailer makes it seem like this dude is still out here ruining lives. Does that mean he is not being investigated? Mind-blowing
Hahahah she's not being kept from her family the whole family's posted pics on ig together AND tiktoks. Sending birthday wishes to each other! She's a grown adult shes allowed to choose to do what she wants!!
These are adults, not children, who made their own decisions. In fact Melanie wilkings brought her sister into 7m, only when Miranda was seen as the better dancer did Melanie n her parents claim it was a cult. Also they were together at Christmas. Netflix shld have never worked w rhe youtuber Katie doy, she's not an investigative journalist 😂
@@BeautyInYOU583 no never said that but the whole doc fell short imo I've been following this 7m/Shekinah Church mess since before it became viral 2 yrs ago...i was watching everything play out even before the family made their plea for help video. There's just a bunchhhh of information that was left out I'm sure intentionally and a lot of drama behind the scenes that just makes me view everything completely different vs someone who's just learning about it! One thing we will agree on is Robert Shinn is not a good guy! 😕
@@heather5346 the sources in this doc are former victims of Roberts cult, the dancers are only his latest victims and a minor part of what the doc highlights.
I watch a lot of dance videos. I recognize several people in this documentary. I watch them on UA-cam often. It breaks my heart. It is heavy. I recommend it. Even though it’s hard at times, there’s a lot to learn there. First, when people have good families, those families will keep fighting to save them.
Save them from what? The family comes off as selfish and narcissistic that they want the person for themselves. Instead of supporting the dancers on their journey. They were just want them to be home with them. Miranda‘s family is definitely obsessed with the cult. They would talk about it every time they would meet with her. She had to make them stop. But they’re still pursuing the cult versus focusing on the relationship with their daughter. So they’re making the cult more important than their daughter.
@@Geminicricketi I still watch those dancers and love them. As a person who had great family and bad ones, I can tell you they care about their daughter. They’re not trying to own her, but in the documentary, many ppl left the cult. So would you not want someone to get you out of a cult?
I was always wondering whos houses they were dancing because they looks like villas and just recenly her and her husband purchased a new house that is not luxurious. So I wonder if that was their cult leader mantion
For any REAL CHRISTIANS WATCHING THIS PLEASE PRAY THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE LURED IN BY THIS CULT WILL HAVE THEIR EYES OPENED.. Pray that God will send waring angels to do battle with the evil force’s that this cult has over these young people and for the scales to be removed from their eyes so they can be freed from this man and his cult!
@@KrisD007 there are MANY PEOPLE who claim to be Christian’s who don’t know the first thing about what that means .. What the fundamental principles of the faith are , so , I disagree. They are Christian’s in identity only …would u consider Robert Shin to be a Christian?? Cause he claims he’s one ..
... praying to a false idol got these vulnerable souls into the situation they are currently in... stop looking outward seeking something from someone else... the power is within you...end of.
Hard NO. Katie Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball said she made this documentary. She was cruel to Garrison Brown's family after he unalived himself and posted a fake video of his family's house when they were grieving. If she's involved you know it's fake. She makes up fake stories.
You can say whatever you want. I have seen the grieving parents on the show. No parent should go through that. It's indeed a cult. And her involvement in this doc is close to none. Let her brag at her small part.
Ok I'm first going to state to the victims in this docuseries I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you feel like you could trust Katie Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball with your stories. I'm not here to discredit people who feel like they are victims or say this isn't a cult because I honestly have no idea. However I'm very disappointed to see that Netflix has decided to air this without seemingly doing any background research into Katie and her very problematic ways. These people sharing their stories thinking they could actually trust WOACB with anything sucks to see because she is NOT an advocate for victims. Katherine Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball LLC is best described as a trauma vulture. She attaches herself onto popular news stories like a leech and takes things too far and ends up exploiting these people in their vulnerable situations and makes money off of the topic while it's being discussed online currently. Then she'll jump to the next thing and do it all over again when the views start to go down. I know Katie loves to say that anyone who disagrees with her is a troll, part of the cult, just a hater and any other number of excuses she has for people who disagree with her and dare to criticize her. I know this because I was not only a subscriber but an actual paying member of her channel. And when I disagreed with her enough in chats and pushed back at her, I was blocked and was no longer allowed to chat. Even though I was a paying member for months before I noticed and even after that, trying to give het the benefit of the doubt. There are many channels dedicated to calling out her lies and problematic behaviours. But there are 2 situations i want to post here as this is dealing with victims. The first is the situation involving a young girl named SL. While the story was still unfolding a video went viral. This young girl was saying she was a victim of SA. Given that she was just a child, no one should question her credibility and the story and allow the authorities to get to the bottom of things. Now thankfully authorities investigated and discovered it was a story made up by her father over custody issues. But at the time Katie had no clue, like the rest of us, whether this situation was real or not. But Katie decided to question the little girls story and call her a brat. Now Katie loves to claim that the evidence of this Livestream, because it is just a clip, is somehow taken out of context. That is a lie. I was in that stream that night and while she might have been reading someone's comment of saying I think she's being a brat. Katie responds with "ya I think she's just being bratty. She goes from crying to fine, crying to fine. It reminds me of when my son pitches a fit". Many people including myself took issue with this statement because regardless, a young child was crying and making serious accusations. You never want to doubt a child who has claimed to have suffered like that. But Katie discussed the girls acting lessons and equated that to her behaviour in the video and ultimately questioned her whole story. To me, you never second guess a child saying that. I would much prefer they investigate and determine it was false then letting an innocent child suffer like that. So this is my first example of her not truly being about advocating for the victim. Second is involving a man who happened to jump into a live stream and chat. He caught Katie's attention so he without thinking too much about it or doing a Google search on her, he came in and had a conversation with Katie. However this man deals quite closely with vulnerable people and others advocating and bringing awareness to cults. So Preacher Boy decided to do some research into Katie himself after he had received quite a few messages that concerned him. What he learned he said didn't align with his views and methods of how he runs his channel and the work that he does. So he very politely apologized to his audience and followers as he said he was unaware of who exactly Katie was at the time he joined the live. It was very spur the moment and he didn't have time to look into her, which is something he always does he stated. Well Katie didn't take too kindly to being rejected, and decided to go on Instagram live and start bashing this man publicly. He simply made an error of not researching someone who he talked to before hand. Well Katie in this live was just dragging and bashing him and blaming the haters for contacting him. She couldn't, nor can she ever, take accountability for herself. It was her own actions and behaviours online that caused this man hesitation and decided not to work with her anymore. She then had the audacity to accuse this man of abusing his wife by claiming men of this cult have deep rooted issues and clearly he still has much work to do. It was absolutely disgusting. I mean I could go on and on. Gabby Petito, Marvon McCray, Garrison Brown. Releasing private messages between her and Teen Mom 2 star Jenelle Evans Eason, a DV victim, all because she couldn't break the cycle yet and ended up going back with her abuser. Endangering not just Jenelle's life but her children's lives as well releasing messages of Jenelle confiding in her regarding injuries she sustained. It was already publicly known and very speculated on that things were still happening behind closed doors. Katie claims to be a journalist and so called reporter. But she told Jenelle those messages were off the record and when Jenelle decided to take him back, rather than extend private support to a DV victim, she chose to plaster all of these confidential messages on her public UA-cam channel and other social media platforms. These are just some of the stories that are out there that have occurred. Again, I say all of this because Katie Joy is not to be trusted. At the end of the day, just like the Tati Westbrook story and information she thought she had from Clark Swanson, she is most concerned with being the first to break the story. She wants credit and her name to be quoted in everything and she'll scream it from the rooftops if you snub her or she broke a story first and feels like she deserves more credit than what she's getting. IMO this woman is dangerous and is not an advocate for victims. But rather she looks for vulnerable people and groups to make nice with and use their stories to make money off of. Exploit their stories, get clicks and views but at no point does she help these people connect with proper resources. It's all about her getting the juicy gossip and details but in the past has made clear she doesn't connect people to resources who ask. So how exactly is she an advocate for victims? My final comment if you've made it this far will be this. When i discovered Katie's channel I was struggling with having just been freed myself. I'm a survivor of SA/DV and finding a community I thought was fighting for the victims made me feel safe and special. I'm not posting all of this because I hate her or am wanting to bash her. I just don't want any other victims fooled by Katie's words because her actions and her words don't add up. To Netflix, I truly hope you consider putting a warning regarding this woman's involvement, if not pulling this altogether. It sucks for those that want to share their stories. But Katie's involvement at all with this project taints the whole thing in my opinion. Please research her before crediting her when you list the description on Netflix. Edit: ***I also want to make a correction. I was writing this at night, passionately and in my feelings. I have been made aware of some information involving the SL situation. I forgot that it was not confirmed whether the allegations SL made were false and/ or forced by her father. Towards the end of this case I couldn't keep up and decided to no longer follow things closely. The public made an assumption given how things unfolded with the father, that they were likely not true. The father ended up going on the run with SL and they became missing people. When SL was safely returned, she was not taken home to the mother but was returned home to a third party, family member. The allegations were against the mothers boyfriend/ step father. The findings in the investigation have not been made public regarding whether there was any truth to the accusations or not, to my understanding. This case involves a minor and I assume the case is sealed to the public. I want to make it clear that I did not mean to take anything away from SL's heartbreaking video and accusations. I understand she has been put through so much regardless if the allegations have been found to be false or not. I made in clear in my comment that no one should doubt a child's story and I believe that. This young girl deserves to heal and receive help and therapy out of the public eye. The public wouldn't even be aware of things if the father hadn't posted the video and the mother hadn't released the minors medical records to Katie, who then made a video on UA-cam about it. Regardless of how the investigation turned out, this girl deserves privacy and a normal life. I don't care the outcome of this case because it's none of our business. I just wanted to correct or clarify, whatever you want to call it that it has not been proven as fact that the allegations were false and made up, it was simply speculation from the public. To me it doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is that she is safe and can go back to being a kid. I hope to no longer hear about SL and she can go back to living her life and healing from her trauma, whatever that may be. She deserves privacy and peace. Fingers crossed I no longer hear about SL ever again, unless she decides to come out publicly as an adult and speak about her situation. But I did not mean to take anything away from SL and her experience and to add we don't know all the details that occurred. I wish SL nothing but the best in life.
@@Nikki38 Awe thanks Nikki. Lol I didn't even think about people/ creators seeing this. I just happened to have feelings last night after watching the trailer. I just kinda put pen to paper as the saying goes and stated expressing my feelings, opinions and concerns about Katie's involvement in this project.
EDIT: watched the documentary, Katie Joy is NOT interviewed. Some of her social media posts appear on screen a few times but they represent a matter of seconds of the 3 episode documentary. You can all go rage elsewhere. 😊 Regardless of whoever Katie Joy is, I’ve read the reviews from news sources and they interview several former members of the cult who have left. This sounds like Classic Cult 101. Just because they interview one shady person does not negate the experiences of the members who left. It’s interesting because I’ve gotten bombarded with videos from Miranda and her husband on Instagram on my feed (I don’t follow either of them). Both very good looking, great dancers, fun videos. I didn’t think much about it but there is always more than meets the eye online.
Exactly this! I came to the comments section while watching this doc but all I read is about some Katie Joy which I've never heard of before in the first place. Guess I'm too old to keep up with this BS lol. But I do know a thing or 2 about cults, and this one definitely ticks some major classic cult boxes, so yeah there's that.. And I'm sure all of those former members didn't lie about their experiences either. But maybe I'm getting sour here, but all I'm thinking while watching this is... oh yeah, America...again! The obsession with religion seems to be sooo huge that I feel any potential cult leader can just stand up and decide to create a new cult within say a few years time or so..
@YvieT81 seems most if not all of those comments are shills from the cult. Probably many of them leaving comments are the ones who have been brainwashed. Very sad.
@@jikaarthouThe pastor has his own handlers out there, and trust me, a LARGE part of Hollywood and these smaller scale companies spend millions on fake/bot accounts to grow certain accounts and overwhelmingly be in the comment section defending bs. Trolls and bots vote too! But don't pay taxes because they're FAKE. Odd world we live in today.
If you want to know how brainwashing happens in real time, just read the comment section of this video. A whole lot of repetition and misdirection going on... 🤣
Actually you would be inaccurate. I'm not brainwashed or in the cult, a cult victim or hater or whatever else Katie is going around saying. I am a real person who used to be subscribed to her a sadly a paying member to her channel. Katie has a tendency to block and delete any negative comments, comments that disagree with her and of course any comments criticizing her. I don't know who you are or if you've actually done a simple Google search on Katie Joy and Without a Crystal Ball or WOACB, but her public reputation is not very good. This is not misdirection going on. Sure there is repetition in these comments because Katie is a Trauma Vulture who has a very problematic history that has been documented on UA-cam. It is shocking that people would be willing to have Katie Joy involved in this project when she is in an active lawsuit with Robert Shinn and 7m. She is being sued for defamation regarding some of these exact claims. People take issue with this docuseries because of Katie's involvement. She cannot be trusted. She claims to be a "reporter and journalist" but has many examples of not being very ethical. She has caused harm to many people and exploited people's pain and their stories for clicks and views, to make money on UA-cam. The one that irritates me the most is Jenelle Evans or Eason from MTV's Teen Mom 2. I'm not saying I like Jenelle but when you have a DV victim sharing details with you and you claim it's off the record so she feels comfortable to open up and share, what happens to honouring the "journalist integrity", when she ends up going back into the DV cycle? Katie decided to judge Jenelle and rather than contact authorities to privately help this woman and mother, who was very likely in danger and a bad situation, Katie decided to publicly blast the "off the record" DM's on her UA-cam and social media accounts. She not only put Jenelle at risk of major retaliation of her abuser, but also risked the safety of Jenelle's children. Why? Because she was mad that Jenelle went back? Katie claims to be a survivor and should understand how stupid and dangerous that was to do. IMO Katie released those DM's because she felt like the "connection" she made with Jenelle back fired on her and Katie couldn't handle looking like a fool. So Katie decided to go on her UA-cam channel and announce and blast the personal admissions Jenelle gave her about abuse she suffered at the hands of her husband. Please explain to me how this is ok? As a survivor myself, that incident sticks with me and is why I'm so vocal on my stance regarding Katie and her involvement with victims.
I'm sorry, but this "documentary" lost all credibility when they decided to involve katie joy; the professional poser and notorious liar behind 'without a crystal ball', an egregiously exploitative reality tv gossip channel on UA-cam.
Well said! What the hell was Netflix thinking putting their reputation on the line by using Katherine Paulson for anything? All those involved in this will learn the hard way to verify their sources as Katherine’s known to compensate individuals to do her dirty work. She lies, cheats, steals all in the name of greed and clout. Be expecting a defamation lawsuit Netflix -,you worked with the Queen of Defamation
He isn’t a man of God, pastors are humble and religious. This man is just in it for as much money as possible. Even the Bible says “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Hopefully this “pastor” realizes the things he’s doing.
This trailer doesn't make justice! I wasn't expecting much but MY GOD! How is he not arrested yet? How much do you need on someone start an investigation?!
Katie Joy Paulson, who has pretty much said everything from "I played only a small part in this documentary" to "I made this documentary happen" is not a credible source for ANYTHING. The beauty of what I'm about to say and the opinions I express is that she can't delete it, as she does ANY comment that is the least bit critical or that corrects her constant factual misstatements. CONSTANT. The following is Katie's recipe for journalistic success, which Meta and UA-cam condone: (1) pick a perceived Christian public figure (usually sourced from TLC); (2) accuse them of being in a cult (any remotely "Christian" religion is a cult to Katie Joy, including Catholicism); and (3) endlessly pick apart their lives, accuse them of serious crimes-always including sex crimes-for which she gives no evidence, and comment nasty things about their appearance. She even made fun of Kody Brown's balding hair in a photo taken at the memorial for his son who had committed suicide. THAT is Katie Joy Paulson in a nutshell. The same women she claims are "victims" are vilified, spoken about like middle school mean girls. Her "reporting" is predominantly sourced from Reddit subs, which she usually doesn't credit. She has made hundreds if not thousands of videos on the Duggars and the Browns, most recently cashing in on the suicide of Garrison Brown in a way that breaches even fundamental ethics of journalism. She has repeatedly lied about the status of her lawsuit with 7M, Miranda, and James. The way she has talked about Miranda as a sex-trafficked cult member has been revolting. Her live-steamed reaction when she learned from a sub that Miranda reunited with her parents very early on in this saga was one of anger, not joy. She was "betrayed" bc the family had the audacity not to tell her first; furious, in fact. See, that messed up her cult narrative. She's no victim's advocate. Her "reporting" is tantamount to defamation and harassment, but bc these people are public figures, she banks on the fact they won't file defamation claims bc, legally, it's very rare for a public figure to win a defamation case, and litigation is very costly. And, of course, to them she's just a lowly UA-camr. Her association with this documentary has me already questioning the veracity of what these people are saying. She is simply not a trustworthy source of information.
💯 🎯 I love so much that kj can't delete any of these comments that are fact! U know it's driving her crazy 🤪 😂...she will be on a drunken bender this wkend, screenshotting these comments & writing novels to try n deflect from her criminal behavior. I'm praying that by the end of her lawsuit that she ends up w criminal charges bc defamation in MN is criminal. And the fact that kj has now perjured herself & openly brags about her involvement in this while lying under oath saying she hasn't spread her defamatory statements to any 3rd parties, I hope that's the nail in her coffin. Perhaps the MN DA indicts her on criminal charges & the judge holds her in contempt & jail for the perjury (in addition to the criminal defamation). I also love that KJ keeps saying Robert's suit against her isn't going anywhere will be dismissed & she doesn't care, yet the public court records show the judge telling kj her statements that Shinn is a water boarding human trafficker is "defamatory on its face, unless u have proof of such claims..." So show ur proof & the greatest order in the suit is "defendants motion to dismiss is DENIED." 😅 she was also ordered to answer all interrogatories that she refuses to answer. This whole series is very bad for Netflix bc now I won't believe anything they ever put out bc they obviously don't vet their sources.
All this rant doesn't deny that miranda wasn't in a cult so bark somewhere else. And she has done hardly any contribution. THERE ARE OTHERS ON THE PROJECT DOING BETTER CONTRIBUTIONS!!! WATCH IT GUYS!!! SPREAD AWARENESS!
You know this documentary will be problematic because Katie Joy Paulson is claiming to have spearheaded the whole thing. Not sure I'd get any advice from someone who has been in as many defamation lawsuits as she has. She's all about histrionics and exaggeration.
So why do you believe that she was as involved as she says she is? She lies all the time so idk why everyone is so convinced that what she’s saying about the doc is suddenly the truth.
@@nathena8we know kj doesn't tell the truth & probably is exaggerating her involvement. But during kjs bragging of how this is HER project & cldnt have happened wo wilmer Valderrama & Jessica acevedo, everything in this clip is from KJs IG. Oh & 1 of the ppl who countersued Shinn flipped & handed over everything to Shinn. In those mesgs Jessica responds to everyone saying they don't want to work on this project if Katie doy is involved & she said "we understand but we can't get rid of her it's not gonna happen." So it's my opinion KJ paid to have this large scale defamation flix made or its a trap setting the trashbag blogger up.
@@goose4397 yes I know everything that has happened too. Don’t assume that just because I disagree with you that I must not know the whole story. All of the evidence points toward this being a full blown cult and you guys would rather see the 7M member suffer for the rest of their lives if it means proving KJ wrong. Being even more ridiculous and hateful than she is is not going to take her down- you all have been trying for years and it hasn’t happened yet. Maybe try a new approach.
@@goose4397 Cultsyuck was always a bit of a loose cannon and then threw her colleagues under a bus to get herself out of the lawsuit. That’s in no way evidence of Shinn’s innocence. I really believe you all would love to see the 7M members suffer under him forever if it means taking KJ down. The KJ haters are the only ones who believe this isn’t a cult, and by calling their lived experiences into question, you’re doing just as much damage to these dancers as she has. You all have had this approach for years and it has accomplished nothing.
@@nathena8 Cultysuck wisely settled early on in the litigation and handed over her work product etc. as part of the settlement terms, just like Katie Joy gave up her journalistic source and all their conversations so she could save her ass as a defamation defendant in Tati's suit. I have to think reading your comment that perhaps you've not seen all the posts, videos, live streams, and ugly comments KJ made that were shockingly cruel and reckless with the truth on this 7M topic. What you may not understand is, KJ showed us no evidence of a sex-trafficking cult recruiting unsuspecting young dancers. She showed us no evidence that cult membership was required for 7M representation. She showed us no evidence these dancers even went to church. She read allegations from a lawsuit out loud on live streams as if they were facts that had been proven in court--horrible allegations, criminal allegations--but didn't bother telling her audience the lawsuit had been dismissed in favor of Shinn bc the plaintiff, Lydia (who may be in this documentary ), was deemed not credible by the judge. You see how dishonest that is as a reporter? That's not someone who is a truth-seeker, an ethical journalist. She's apparently brainwashed you to think her "haters" want to see the dancers suffer? Get out of here with that melodrama. Her "haters" are simply 15,000+ people with common sense and discernment. We didn't interfere with these young people's contracts, she did. We didn't digitally stalk them, she did. We didn't post videos mocking these "victims," she did. We didn't portray Miranda as a sex-trafficked cult member, she did. We didn't insert ourselves into Miranda's family's real life under the pretext of cult expertise, she did. I think you've got a group of disgruntled people whose careers have been affected by the negative publicity drummed up by KJ and who have decided to seize a legal opportunity.
I think Netflix is pretty brave putting this out with Katherine Paulson being involved with a deformation lawsuit against her from Robert shin. I wonder how the production co will feel when they are attached to said lawsuit and brought in as witnesses. I won’t watch anything that WOACB is involved in, but I will be waiting for the backlash
Oops forgot this, the judge ordered Robert Shinn could not talk about KJ and KJ couldn’t him. She’s hungry for fame and did so anyway and I’m anxious to see what happens to her
Ive cancelled my Netflix membership and have made a video about this. Sorry but me and my subscribers.have cancelled our memberships. You need to vet your sources. Katie Paulson is a trauma vulture and has put Miranda And James Derrick in danger.
Yep cancelled it a long time ago and never looked back. If this is their example of new and great original content then… they should expect a lot more loss esp with Katie joys name attached. I’m sure a lot of people canceled as soon as she announced it
@ nikki38,also canceled mine as well! Thank you Nikki for all your hard work that you do exposing this vile creature for all the lies she has told. Most of all the harm this creature has done to hurt and destroy so many people. 😊
Yes she being sued by 7m. She has made so many wild statements with no proof. Although she claims to have sources......a lot of us don't believe a word she says.
And tortious interference with a contract, and infliction of emotional distress. That this lawsuit has made it past a motion to dismiss and that the court has ordered Katie to participate in discovery is fantastic for the plaintiffs. The court has already determined it's not legally frivolous.
@@jessg101 Out of all the comments on this thread talking about how Katie Joy has zero creditability, you chose mine to be a smart-ass on...why is that exactly? 🤔
i love how many comments there are calling out katie joy of without a crystal ball for the trauma vulture that she is. she is absolutely vile, untrustworthy and thinks her opinions are facts. i haven’t seen anything officially attaching her to this project other than her blabbing about being a “consultant” and acting as if she personally solely created this production. she is currently being sued for defamation by robert for saying vile things about him without any proof. this all makes netflix look so bad for not doing more background checks and everything being said in this production is merely hearsay, probably bs as kj is a source (allegedly anyway) - definitely won’t be watching.
I love this for her. Just like when the news station interviewed her about Ruby Franke. The comments were hilarious. And she can’t delete any of them. 👏🏼
If anyone sees my comment, I don’t want to discredit anybody’s feelings because I don’t know about the drama about withoutacrystalball but the one part where she is mentioned is when the documentary is narrating how many people were talking about Robert Shinn (not just her) from the video that Miranda’s family made. She appears from 53:15 to 53:20 and 53:33 to 53:40 of the first episode. The other information/research comes from other dancers that were from 7M management/Shekinah, ex-members of Shekinah, audio/video recordings of Robert’s sermons, Miranada’s parents and sister, another set of parents of a dancer that is in 7M management that are going through the same issues, and one or two pictures from an ex-member named Priscilla. This information is just from the first two episodes, I haven’t watched the third yet.
Oh no, Katie Joy is associated with this documentary?! She has harassed and falsely accused soooooo many people with her outrageous lies!!!! Netflix needs to fact check before releasing documentaries like this!!! I feel so bad for Miranda. Now I can see why she cut off her family!!!
Absolutely! They are responsible for their daughter cutting them off and to bring in someone like KJ who is thirsty for chaos and lies to tell on complete strangers is disgusting. Miranda begged them to stop. KJ’s comment was you hit someone where it huts and they’ll come back. That’s when her idiots got a dozen contracts cancelled that Miranda had. She cut off her money. However, no one expected she would continue her life and NOT come home. She’s a part of the lawsuit against KJ with 7M and I pray justice is served and for every single person she’s tried to destroy
I'm hoping that after Netflix reads all these comments & sees ppl canceling their subscriptions to them bc they worked w kj, that they don't even air this. And then I hope they sue kj for all the $$ they lost. She defrauded them when she said she's a journalist w facts 😂
@@goose4397 netflix doesn't care about people canceling their subs. They proved that multiple times from when they did can't share passwords thing and the raising prices multiple times. All it takes is one good show or a handful for them to gain back their popularity. They got a shit ton of subscribers from Stranger Things and Bridgerton alone.
In every cult documentary I've ever watched I've been able to spot some degree of charisma in the "leader", until now lol. It blows my mind ANYONE could be seduced by this guy, I watch all the cult docs and I've never said/thought that. I mean what am I missing???
I agree but I think it's a combination of young adults, naive, he promises them money and fame and well...they're Americans obsessed with god/religion. Then this is what you get. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Not always the case! Look! Trump became a president when he has a vocabulary of a first grader!!! Anything is possible. I actually thought this Shinn guy sounded smarter than Trump. 😂
This is a gut wrenching docu-series. I feel so bad for the parents & family members that lose there loved ones to cults like this one. How can anyone of sound mind accept the idea that "you must leave your family" for God to save you. That Robert Shinn dude is one sick f#$@.
Miranda wasn’t part of this series so how can they claim to be telling “her story”. She’s an adult who has controlling parents and a sister who sadly isn’t talented enough to make it without Miranda. Not being mean, it’s just apparent. She felt like they were holding her back. She was just becoming very successful until she was attacked by a clout chasing UA-camr that interfered with her contracts and made up lies about her. Her parents briefly became involved with this UA-camr but quickly realized that she is not credible so they stopped working with her. It’s a sad situation but I think she is the sanest person in her family. Her parents and sister posting on social media crying and being so dramatic show how dysfunctional they are.
I WONDER WHY NOTHING FROM HER SIDE IS OUT THERE!? why does everyone bother only with her parents and sis? And her family isn't the only one. The pastor is known to have committed crimes before!!! Speak after knowing stuff!!!
@@Sweetpea064 you wonder why her part isn't out there... its because she has denied giving statements!!! its even mentioned in the documentary!!! AND AT THIS POINT ITS NOT ABOUT HER!!! There are women that were raped!!! they need justice from that cultish bastard!!! His own right hand man of 30 years and his daughter have both left the cult lol
Will yall be showing how Miranda's 100% intouch with her parents present day?? I sure don't reply to birthday post from my father since I've cut him out of my life like Miranda's doing lol Maybe Melanie should have never locker her own sister out their joint tiktok account then change the pw while pocketing alllllll of the money they both earned on that app together!! Is it Miranda's fault she has more star quality then Melanie? (Im sure I'll be accused of being a cult member too like Katherine Paulson likes to do when others have different opinions, cant delete and block this message can you KJ?) 💅
I've always thought Melanie was just jealous that Miranda really took off once she started focusing on content with her husband. Probably bitter that all of her wedding content is still not getting her anywhere near the following Miranda has.
The devil is busy, yall...Sad to see families destroyed.. I've seen one cult documentary after another. All classic signs... At the end of the day, Karma is a B, and every person will have their day
Looks like a trailer of a scorned sister to me. That's sad. Weird that Miranda was just at her families house during holiday. Melanie released that video crying bc Miranda wanted to live her own life. Why is that a bad thing?! Looks like a buncha scorned people to me.
I thought so too. Miranda’s family treated her poorly. I personally feel like the scorned sister is doing this for her own career boost. She’s not as pretty or as talented as Miranda though.
@@iloveweekends635 idk that would go that far. I think Melanie is a beautiful talented woman all by herself. She can have a fan base too. I still think she started this mess for no reason. And I believe Miranda's version of events. Miranda has no ill in her heart to have been this spiteful through in my opinion. She has carried herself well & holds her family dear to her heart. Clearly a humble girl trying to find her place in the world. She seems to love B-Dash , they make a beautiful couple especially with the dancing. Idk that's just what I see. I don't think Miranda's in a cult. What I would say , is Robert is probably a business man as he his religious. He probably takes his business seriously that he might say cut everyone out of your life bc you're going to dance for Jesus lol no seriously business is business. His is multi million I'm sure he probably drove a hard bargain. Maybe some didn't have what it takes for his business deals & now they're slighted. Idk. The only things i think I know is Miranda looks like she's living her best life & sees her family. I hope she is & I wish her much health & prosperity. I adore her dancing & personality. She's a doll.
@@mistiemo1665 In what way did Miranda start it? We all have a right to cut toxic people out of our lives. Her parents and sister making that video was so dramatic and inappropriate. I can see why she distanced herself from them.
I’ve never heard of Katie Joy Paulson. Can someone explain what she has done and said? The first few comments are all about saying how she’s a bad person and I just to know why so I can informed
Katie Joy stated in a video that her son would murder someone because he is autistic. Katie Joy also demonstrate how to SEXUALLY abuse a child in a video
Ok I left a very long comment about a couple examples. But it's honestly a harder question to answer because there are so many examples over the years. She is basically what we call a Trauma Vulture. She starts claiming to "report" on stories but the real reason is because she simply wants to make money and ends up taking things way too far. The latest example is the tragic passing of Garrison Brown. He got ahold of audio and reports about his suicide. She doesn't truly care about the victims but rather it's all about clicks and views. She exploits victims and simply wants to cover their stories to make money. Please don't take my word for it. There are many channels that call out her problematic behaviour and her history is well documented on UA-cam. WOACB vs WOACB, Renelle Smith, Southern Mutton, Nee nee Marie, Cactus Bill, and many more. See for yourself why people have such issues with her.
I would of been interested in this but since your using Without a Crystal Ball as a source I can’t trust that this documentary is truthful. Katie Joy is a vile, disgusting trauma vulture. Next time get someone that doesn’t have such an awful reputation to source your documentary.
Easy fix here folks Don't follow Miranda anymore Her leader won't like this. Im unfollowing her for 2 reasons 1. She is picking someone else over a relationship with her family. 2. Cult
In the docu are other victims who weren't even dancers, but explaining how everyone else works in other businesses the leader owns. Over 11h a day for 100bucks a week
It’s really hard to take this documentary seriously when involving somebody like Katie Joy Paulson from WOACB. I am not coming from a religious place, some made up hate group, or malice, I am someone who is truly for victims of many kinds. How can she claim to be an activist for women in cults… and then ridicule, degrade, bully and shame the same women when finally breaking free. I have watched her shame and insight hate on a former cult member for having a medical procedure after enduring a heartbreaking miscarriage. She literally made a video shaming the woman for having the procedure, knowing where her faith was, told everyone it was really an a6ort10n!! This young woman’s social media was being Berated with accusations of the above and telling her she offed HER BABY😢😢 And then Katie went on to engage in making sm posts giving a medical description of the procedure and said the DNC was technically an ab0r710n, I cannot begin to imagine what this woman went through after seeing the hate mob. The young woman took a sm break after the incident. I can think of hundreds of videos where Katie pokes fun at women in cults and even when they do break free(as she claims she wants them to)she then dissects their every move. Not to encourage, standby or send love, but to then shame, degrade and hatefully pick apart their choices. Not that growing up in a cult would take time to rid themselves of their ways… nope. These women breaking free and in the spotlight, better act exactly how Katie needs them to, or she will be there with her following, to shame, bully and ridicule them into, being exactly who she needs them to be. I am just shocked that any reputable production company would choose such a bully to be a part of a documentary with such sensitive content. Content that Katie has used to fill her pockets as she bullys, shames, mocks, and ridicules those in or exiting cults, or cult like atmospheres. FYI, the videos are out there of Katie degrading Miranda…. This is just sad.
Exactly! And remember when she claimed that a couple who had their first child was abusing and starving their baby bc it has lost weight. The baby had trouble latching and it was remedied quickly. The mother was crying and traumatized by Kj announcing that lie to her 300k subs. She’s vicious.
@@Sweetpea064yep!! And the irony of that whole incident is, KJs own son (who was in daycares the 1st yr or 2 of his life) became a "failure to thrive" after 4 months in his egg donors care & required a feeding tube. Kj doesn't like when ppl bring up the burden she publicly shared all this info on, but it's totally fine for her to do to others. She's the devil & I can't wait til she reaps what she has sewn
How about the girls who were on the run from a real cult . She gave up there car and the safe house . She put them in Real Danger ! I can't wait until she loses it all . She did 24 videos on a suicide vet . Berating his family . She was the one who had a hand in bullying him .
She started degrading Miranda the minute Miranda resumed contact with her family on that IG post and explained that the reason why there had been no contact had to do with family issues--namely Miranda marrying a man they didn't know half-way across the country and a changing business relationship with her sister--and not cults.
Wow... I need to get netflix for this documentary. This is awful, what happens there! And it proves, that you can't trust everyone and the dance business + social media have some dark places you don't want to get to. When I first found Miranda Derrick, I was so jealous of her for all her views and talent and life. Now, I am shocked! And happy, I am not in her situation as weird, as it sounds.
Actually no. These comments aren't sus at all if you did a quiz Google Search into Katie Joy of Without a Crystal Ball. She's a UA-camr that claims to be a "reporter and journalist" but has a very problematic past and is being sued for defamation regarding these claims and accusations against 7m and Robert Shinn.
@@Twothree8126 I'm not spamming under every comment. But secondly there is a difference between changing somebody's mind and their opinion and informing someone who Katie Joy is and why people have such an issue with her. Big difference
I think Netflix should hire a real investigative journalist & look into the trauma vulture that is Katie Joy Paulson of Without a Crystal Ball. The things she had done to people which in my opinion getting the law on another UA-camr being 1 of them. Or lying in court documents that included false claims of sexual harassment against another UA-camr. Someone should definitely do a piece on how dangerous UA-camrs gossiping can be. She has hurt many people. Sadly mostly women in alleged cults. It's incredibly frustrating how some busy body like her can attack & ridicule strangers & make thousands upon thousands of dollars off a kids Su1cide. I'm personally sick of the woman. The day shes held accountable will be a good day.
Miranda Derrick has continuously made posts that she wants nothing to do with her family and i don’t blame her now that I see they are actively trying to destroy her career.
With Katie Joy Paulson this could be as fake as Baby Reindeer. Has anyone asked Miranda what she wants for her life? Maybe after this released Miranda can appear on a talk show and give her side of the story.
I hope after her lawsuit, which I hope she wins. That she will finally come out and retell her side of the story. Since, she has tried to say from the beginning.
She didn't go to her grandfather's funeral can you believe that??Everyone is asking her what's wrong? And all she says is controlling this and controlling that!? Her husband stayed 7 weeks at her house and they didn't feel controlled? They kept visiting even after going to LA. There are phone calls and conversations and you are saying she isn't brainwashed!? I want to know her side of story for not visiting her grandfather's funeral!!
@@sharondsouza8054 I didn't go to my Grandfathers' funeral and we were very close. I wasn't prepared at the time to deal with the death of him. I was young also. There is so much more to not going to anyone's funeral and make a blanket judgement over that is just wrong. She explained her side of the story and the events at that time. Her family isn't this picture perfect family that they like to portray.
@@flyingmomlaura8723 SHE WASN'T YOUNG!!! SHE WAS AN ADULT!!! AND LYING TO NOT VISIT YOUR GRAMPS FUNERAL IS NO REASON!!!! THIS DOC ISN'T ABOUT HER!!! WOMEN ARE RAPED!!! Did you lie to your parents too? said you had covid or something?? as a teen if you don't want to grieve and escape from reality is one thing but as an adult you need to show basic responsibility towards the dead!!! Especially towards a loving one!!! don't give me that crap about oh it must have been her way of dealing. You don't have to lie like this to deal!!! It's so selfish
Except that Robert loves to quote the Bible, what he does is actually no different from the managers of the K-pop entertainment company. This Korean guy must hv learned a lot from how k-pop companies control their little kids
Lost a friend of 30 years to a cult/church. He met a woman in this group. He became very distant and cold. He got married and changed his last name (to hers). Cut off his family and all his friends in a matter of months. Eventually moved away, and no one has heard from him in 10 years. Scary stuff!
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I'm so sorry.sending love.
Seriously??😮
@@neiphremiachieo6709 No joke. I noticed a change in his attitude towards his friends and family. Didn't trust them and became cold. It was really quick. One thing a cult will do is badmouth or sabotage the outside world. ie friends and family
Changed HIS last name to HERS!?!? Girl wya so we can get drinks and you can tell me all the tea 💀
It somehow always revolves around a self proclaimed pastor.
Exactly my thoughts
Almost as if the notion of a God you must worship else you go to hell is an incredibly good way to control people
Yep!!! Look at Chad Daybell.
How else are pastors proclaimed
Taxes are a big reasons.... grifters gonna grift hard
The best way to help them is to unfollow them, just not support them anymore in any way.
Why are you “following” them in the first place ?? lol
@@Ricardo-pj6clThey are not talking about themselves. They are talking about other close friends, fans, and family of said victims.
Exactly. Tiktik boom is poison and a cult anyway
Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries;
Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time.
Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?
The problem is that you have to watch the Netflix show. Otherwise you wouldn’t think that they’re in danger.😅
I watched this and it’s SO SAD. I hope Robert Shin gets arrested and locked away one day. I hope Miranda returns to her true self one day and leaves this cult behind. The world isn’t blind, we can see this cult-church for what it is. It’s a cult.
I hope Prycilla can find peace within herself enough to propel her forward into enjoying a fantastic life.
If/when Miranda leaves she’s going to be just like Pricylla after she finally left, emotionally confused about leaving what she’s known for years and struggling to find herself
Pray for them we all need to pray for them!
@@kendrickdingerMiranda has something Prycilla didn’t have and that’s a loving and caring family. They were there in the beginning and will be there when she comes back there will be a big difference in her ability to be deprogrammed .
They all need trauma therapy. They have classic CPTSD and it decimates the things one is most passionate about; it messes a person up royally.
@@tamb7587prayer is what led us here in the first place. Are you being sarcastic? Lol
The parents should get in touch with Leah Remini (former Scientologist). She got out and is helping others get out.
She wanted out. Until someone wants out, you can’t help them, just like an addiction…
Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries;
Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time.
Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?
100% Scientology is an evil cult founded by a cia agent it run like a CIA too. Katie Holmes fled, & Lia Remeny left. Pop people of praise is a cult that Amy Commey Barrot is in too she should be removed from Supreme Court.
If former members give the police more evidences then they would arrest Robert and Miranda would be free.
This is pentacostal tho
The saddest thing about all this is that the leader of the cult is becoming a millionaire at the expense of the dancers!!!
He manipulates them with "belief in God" and they are so blind that they believe he really cares about them. For the cult leader they only represent a lot of money for his pockets.
But as they say..... There is no blinder than he who does not want to see...
The saddest thing is seeing everything their families suffer when they see their children, it is that horrible situation!!!
I hope Robert Shin gets arrested and locked away one day...
Pastors are supposed to be humble and religious servants. He's in it for the money 100%
they lack discernment and clearly don't read the bible this is why. Now their eyes are open and they see all along that he was the devil a wolf in sheep's clothing.
@@Truthful010 He clearly wasn't called by God. There are so many people preaching without having a supernatural encounter where God has called them to become pastors, they are building their own churches because they have the money to do so and a way with words.
Exactly!! What a bunch of airhead morons.
Sounds like Christian’s
bruh i thought the trailer was not real and was a movie filmed in a way to make it look like a real documentary turns out it is real 💀
Me too 😂😂😂😂
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Whoever wants peace of mind and heart should read the Holy Quran and the biography of the Prophet Muhammad, for the Quran is a healing for the breasts and tranquility of the souls, you will not lose anything if you read the Holy Qur'an
Her family came off very inauthentic, like actors hired to play the role of her family for the documentary.
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Its kinda weird when you see comments section where every comment is almost exactly the same.
Simply evidence many, many people feel strongly about Katie Joy Paulson's affiliation with this production. She is a very problematic source of information, to put it lightly. Her relationship with the truth has proved tenuous at best.
@@ezsmum3064 no normal person knows who katie joy is
@@siryozen9648thank you. I’m starting to think those people are also a cult.
Anyway, Katie Joy aside, there are several people in this trailer saying they were victims and people are straight up ignoring that. Weirdos.
@@NinaPB clearly you haven't done your research into Katie Joy and have no idea about what she's done. Why don't you look into how "credible" she is and then come back to the comments. This isn't members of a cult, these are real life people who have had interactions with her and have watched her cause pain and exploit people. She did this to herself. This is simply caused by her words, actions and behaviours. This is her public reputation. This is how people see her and I myself made a lengthy comment about how I feel sorry for these victims. Katie couldn't give up the spotlight and let the victims speak. She knows her true reputation around UA-cam and around the Web. She knew people were going to take issue with her involvement. She claims to care so much about the victims, but why couldn't she politely step back and let the victims voices shine? Because Katie Joy is a trauma vulture and is not a true advocate for victims. She can't help but take credit for things and insert herself into every story.
You should see Fox News out of Utah when she was on. Even people didn't know who she was went after her.
Holy wow. I went to school and did theatre with Miranda and remember hearing and seeing all this happening. It’s so crazy to think about. Wishing the best for this family and all those affected in this too.
I hope they tell Miranda's side of the story and do not rely on just her sister and parents. BTW, Miranda did say what was going on shortly after her parents posted their side of the story on social media.
Whoever wants peace of mind and heart should read the Holy Quran and the biography of the Prophet Muhammad, for the Quran is a healing for the breasts and tranquility of the souls, you will not lose anything if you read the Holy Qur'an
@@flyingmomlaura8723 it’s not likely that Miranda was interviewed because usually an active cult isn’t going to let its members speak on something like this.
@@nathena8u do know it was Melanie who brought her sister to this alleged cult right? And she got mad when everyone saw that Miranda is the more talented dancer right? I hope u also know that Miranda met w her sister n family n had Christmas together too. I didn't know cults allow their ADULT members to leave/come n go on their own free will. Kj said those images of the family reunited are a stunt for 7m. Also the wilkings quickly learned who woacb was & told her to leave them alone n take the videos down. So once again kj felt rejected & slighted so she went even harder & stalked n harassed them. U shld get out of the woacb cult bc u look foolish defending satans agent
No, you didn't. Stop lying. Holy wow.
I just watched. I'm still in shock with this documentary. One thing became very clear: "Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it." But at what price?😢
I see the cults members are working overtime in the comment section..
I noticed that. Unless it’s maybe they’ve got bots commenting because they’re all saying exactly the same thing 😂😂😂
THIS !! 😂
Im not a cult member not even a dancer but still don’t believe everything being said 😊
OMG- someone has a differing opinion or perspective and YOU think it’s the cult? Hahahaha. Are you a fan of without a crystal ball?
@@DeannThomas-le2ut Just remember that your real family and friends will probably welcome you back with open arms and love whenever you are ready to leave. This does not have to be your life and the cult does not care about you really.
The leader of that cult is a person who knows how to manipulate each of the members. The dancers work and work and only receive 20 percent of what they earn. The leader of the cult is a very intelligent man in a evil way.
How many cults have come to light and people continue and continue believe in those persons who say they are God's chosen ones?
It's sad to see the parents suffer from this whole situation, so I hope the trial of robert shin starts soon and they put them in jail for ever.
Serious question, it's that amy different then music artist stating out. Your worst contract is the worst. I get that ,a company spends alot of money to hype you out and then if you tank . All that money is gone. Once your famous, your 2nd contract is much better . 🤷🏻
A cult? It is our era's entertainment business. Look at Diddy's sex cult
Finally it will be revealed why all those dancers like Vik and Miranda and B Dash only dance to the same 5 oldies songs!! And why they wear awkward clothing. Why they never just engage with their followers like normal people. And why their comment sections are filled with universal praise and adoration. Their whole shtick is soooo strange!!
Just went to Miranda's IG account and the few pages I looked at were filled with anything but positive comments. They were mostly negative, accusing her of being in a cult. But when I followed Miranda and Vik for a short time about 12-18 months ago, I did notice they kept dancing only to Bee Gees, EWF, Michael Jackson and a few other songs. That was strange. However, Miranda looks beautiful, happy and seems to be thriving. Maybe we all should join a cult (jk)?
The cult has some well paid bots 😂😂😂
Facts 😂
Honestly very well paid 😂
Yeees!!! 😂😂
Says the group of KJ BOTS from KJ/WOACB social media cult! Do you know you are in a Cult? Please seek help.
Hey cult members in the comment section, don’t make it so obvious by trashing this documentary cause of 1 potential source. There’s first party testimony from several former members that spoke out in this documentary and you’re harping on just 1 person. We feel for you and hope you see the truth soon! Don’t waste years of your young lives worshipping a predator!
Ok I beg of you please do a simple Google search on this woman. Katie Joy is not credible and has very problematic behaviours. People's reactions and comments are based on personal experiences and interactions with this UA-cam creator. Please don't dismiss our voices as victims of Katie Joy, when you are fighting so hard for other victim's voices to be believed. I can assure you I am not a part of any cult and was a flipping subscriber and paying member to Katie before I realized her true intentions are that of making money and not being an advocate and supporter of victims. Our claims and experiences we have witnessed and seen with Katie should be treated no differently than the claims in this docuseries. Please by all means take the time and read my comments and others. Understand we have a right to be concerned given Katie's very problematic track record, that has been documented and proven for everyone to see.
@@jenmck23be gone paid bot
Don't know why my comment is gone but posting again since I'm not a paid bot but a real Canadian women.
Ok I beg of you please do a simple Google search on this woman. Katie Joy is not credible and has very problematic behaviours. People's reactions and comments are based on personal experiences and interactions with this UA-cam creator. Please don't dismiss our voices as victims of Katie Joy, when you are fighting so hard for other victim's voices to be believed. I can assure you I am not a part of any cult and was a flipping subscriber and paying member to Katie before I realized her true intentions are that of making money and not being an advocate and supporter of victims. Our claims and experiences we have witnessed and seen with Katie should be treated no differently than the claims in this docuseries. Please by all means take the time and read my comments and others. Understand we have a right to be concerned given Katie's very problematic track record, that has been documented and proven for everyone to see.
This documentary is so dark and bad at the same time
Not a cult member & dont believe half of the things on documentary
So this cult has an army of trolls taking over the comment section.
Yeah now that you're saying it, I guess you might be right about that!
Dude I seen the same thing
I was thinking the same thing 🤔
100% 😂😂 I'm reading the comments while watching it. It's so sad. It's like cult inception lol
@@tessajones9393 💯 indeed! These trolls are all over it. And it is sad cause this is a cult FOR SURE!
Another reason why TikTok should be banned and you should never believe in pastors and have your own relationship with God
Agreed and jesus warned us about them.
I’m excited for this documentary because this cult is real. All these dancers are so ridiculously talented and yet are doing the same handful of choreography to the same handful of oldies, and always posted or credited to Isaiah Shinn who is Robert Shinn’s son (head of the church). That’s just the tip of what’s odd. These dancers deserve better.
I always wondered why there were posted under a seemingly random person’s name
These people all seem self centered and shallow
So who carea😂
Their dances are codes. IDK but it's the way they dance that convince me that it's coded, which made me not want to continue to watch the documentary.
Most are not so talented. The two sisters were very average dancers. They’re more gullible than talented. The guys were talented.
@@delphvine89I wouldn’t be surprised. I can’t watch those dances 😮
Nothing is more important than your family. I can not believe that people drop there family for religion.
people have been leaving their family for religion for as long as there has been religion. Hell at one point Jesus asked for the first born sons....
Apparently true religion would not want you to drop your parents.
That's what religion does, it destroys everything. And you'll see, this whole documentary is a religous propaganda, every interviewed person OUTSIDE of the cult is talking nonstop about religion so this comment thread will be littered with god sucking morons, they gather like flies when they see a feeble minded person they can suck the blood off and convert into their sect.
It's not religion. It's a cult. The world's religions all recognize the importance of family.
@@crunchyrubble religion is the same as cult on a larger scale. i can't explain this to you since you believe in ghosts goblins and gods. you're incapable to see the light.
i just finished watching this, robert shin needs to be arrested immediately, how on earth has he not been put behind bars?!!
This is what happens when money is dangled to people. You play with fire, you get burned. Use your brains people. Theres life outside of social media.
Very true.... Ive seen family members do this within families towards those in the family with money-!! Doesnt even have to be outside the family. Its all about people wanting money, status, attention etc. Its dangerous and takes self discipline to say No to it.
Let’s hope they watch this documentary and come to their senses somehow. There’s clearly only one person benefiting from all this.
It's so sad
100%
Wow it a dark documentary about tiktok it went dark
Scientologists haven’t left due to the docs on them
Yes and her name is Katie Joy Paulson from Without a crystal Ball who pitched and put this documentary together. KJ was sued 2 years ago by Robert SHINN and Miranda/Bdash. So the woman who put this all together is being sued by the people she wrote the documentary about. Kinda seems like she would benefit from further slandering the people actively suing her.
Ugh, when that girls father talked about seeing her and his wife said if you let her go we will never get you back and he said I struggled but then I had to give up….crushed. A father should never feel like he should give up fighting for his child and the fact that he felt he had to is just crushing. But what else can a parent do in that situation
I cried at that
This is heartbreaking & horrifying that shin has evaded consequences for 30yrs. Hell is waiting for him tho
Consequence for what. What law did he break
Katie joy Paulson/Without a Crystal Ball is associated with the making of this film. If you do a simple dive on UA-cam you can see how shady she is. The information this film was gathered by her, according to her. It may be untrustworthy.
Get a life. There are victims of this cult in this doc sharing their experiences. Your obsessive hate is detrimental to the victims. Absolutely disgusting. You think there’s not a whole team working on these docs vetting the information? 🙄
The confirmation bias is strong with you all.
@@GabrielTheMagolorMain lol
@@GabrielTheMagolorMainthere are more victims of Katie Joy imo than this alleged cult.
@@GabrielTheMagolorMainnothing that person commented is untrue tho. Maybe you should get a life you supporting someone whi made thousands of dollars off Garrisons su1cide.
Google is your friend! Without a Crystal Ball aka Katie Joy is in her 5th defamation lawsuit!
Came here from Miranda’s post of instagram…didn’t even know this documentary came out but apparently they are currently in court for defamation and etc.
And it’s so shady that Netflix puts this out. Netflix is making a lot of money on this series and clearly they don’t care about anyone involved. It’s as if Netflix is a cult and no one sees it
Can't wait til TikTok is no more
Damn the comment section is full of cult members 😂
No that’s not it. Katie Joy from WOACB is the one that pushed for this documentary and is a known liar and is a very cruel person.
There is a community that spreads awareness about Katie’s horrible behavior and are likely responding to this documentary. Katie has been sued by Robert Shinn in a defamation lawsuit so we are familiar with her antics behind the scenes.
She is extremely manipulative and twists the truth. She also made over 30 videos exploiting a young man’s suicide to line her pockets. She will exploit anyone for money. Shes an awful person.
@@Sweetpea064 what are you even on about, there are multiple victims speaking out in this documentary and you're trying to paint it all as a lie because of some woman. You 100% sound like a cult member.
Right?!😂
@Eileen064 saying you're a cult member without saying you're a cult member. You sound like a freaking sock puppet! Get over yourself!
This is exactly how I thought TikTok dancers’ their brains work. Sometimes stereotyping is accurate.
Holy shit, I used to follow a couple of these folks on Instagram before tiktok was super huge, I hope they're doing better now
I just have to say, after watching the documentary, Pryscilla is one of the strongest women I’ve ever seen
LMAO did you see how she talk to her dad? Embarrassing. You see how she blamed him for her joining a cult? You call that strong? Sleeping with a Married man? And then turning around and calling it grape? Where is the strength?
Strength is except and responsibility in the world that you played in the bad decisions in your life. And making better decisions going forward. Not being stuck in the past trying to correct things you have no control over. That’s mentally unstable.
@@Geminicricketiyour take away is "Sure you were sexually abused and abandoned but you were really mean to your father about it"
Hope Robert goes to prison for a long time. He deserves to be in a cell with nothing.
For what exactly?😂😂😂
Really really interesting that almost all of these comments are about Without a Crystal Ball and Katie Paulson and deleting Netflix accounts lol its almost like a bunch of people got together and came up with a tactic against this documentary. Probably for a reason.
🤣 TOO funny you are; it’s ppl like YOU who get sucked into KJ’s cult…it’s easier not to thick THAT MANY PEOPLE DESPISE KJ, isn’t it. Well truth is: SHE REALLY IS THAT DESPISED! Bc of the YEARS of harm we’ve all witnessed! For gosh sakes, FREAKING GOOGLE the trauma vulture! (Or don’t…continue being one of her blind 🐑🐑 cult followers)
I hope all this talented, beautiful people in that cult will come to there senses and leave that "pastor" all this comments here are from bots paid by that " greedy pastor"
Oh, wait I remember coming across this on TikTok 2 years ago and being amazed by thinking the whole thing was batshit crazy. I remember watching some videos of this particular family talking about losing contact with their sister/ daughter (not sure if it was Miranda's family). It could be the same family in this video I'm still not sure but it's incredibly sad seeing them still going through this. She needs to come back to her family and wish every of these families to get their children back. The trailer makes it seem like this dude is still out here ruining lives. Does that mean he is not being investigated? Mind-blowing
Shes an adult & living her best life to this day. Her name is Miranda & she sees & spends time with her family.
Hahahah she's not being kept from her family the whole family's posted pics on ig together AND tiktoks. Sending birthday wishes to each other! She's a grown adult shes allowed to choose to do what she wants!!
These are adults, not children, who made their own decisions. In fact Melanie wilkings brought her sister into 7m, only when Miranda was seen as the better dancer did Melanie n her parents claim it was a cult. Also they were together at Christmas. Netflix shld have never worked w rhe youtuber Katie doy, she's not an investigative journalist 😂
@@wh0_dat.504.wh0_datso your saying her and her family made this up to sell this doc??? 😅😅😅😅😢😢
@@BeautyInYOU583 no never said that but the whole doc fell short imo I've been following this 7m/Shekinah Church mess since before it became viral 2 yrs ago...i was watching everything play out even before the family made their plea for help video. There's just a bunchhhh of information that was left out I'm sure intentionally and a lot of drama behind the scenes that just makes me view everything completely different vs someone who's just learning about it! One thing we will agree on is Robert Shinn is not a good guy! 😕
Why are all these comments condemning this exactly two weeks ago...btw ..im an outsider..have no clue about this...but i know bots when i see them
No. A lot of actual people find woacb, a “source” in this production, to be a click bait UA-camr who spreads misinformation for views.
Same.
@@heather5346 the sources in this doc are former victims of Roberts cult, the dancers are only his latest victims and a minor part of what the doc highlights.
@@heather5346Robert Shinn is still a devil’s incarnate.
@@heather5346 heather, you don't even have a profile picture. bot behavior
I watch a lot of dance videos. I recognize several people in this documentary. I watch them on UA-cam often. It breaks my heart. It is heavy. I recommend it. Even though it’s hard at times, there’s a lot to learn there. First, when people have good families, those families will keep fighting to save them.
Same here. Very sad to watch. I will no longer view the dance videos as this supports the cult.
Save them from what? The family comes off as selfish and narcissistic that they want the person for themselves. Instead of supporting the dancers on their journey. They were just want them to be home with them. Miranda‘s family is definitely obsessed with the cult. They would talk about it every time they would meet with her. She had to make them stop. But they’re still pursuing the cult versus focusing on the relationship with their daughter. So they’re making the cult more important than their daughter.
@@Geminicricketi I still watch those dancers and love them. As a person who had great family and bad ones, I can tell you they care about their daughter. They’re not trying to own her, but in the documentary, many ppl left the cult. So would you not want someone to get you out of a cult?
I was always wondering whos houses they were dancing because they looks like villas and just recenly her and her husband purchased a new house that is not luxurious. So I wonder if that was their cult leader mantion
They either rented it for a day or something or it is his...which he probably pays with the money they are supposed to earn
In the documentary they confirmed that the properties are owned by Robert and the cult members pay rent.
For any REAL CHRISTIANS WATCHING THIS PLEASE PRAY THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE LURED IN BY THIS CULT WILL HAVE THEIR EYES OPENED.. Pray that God will send waring angels to do battle with the evil force’s that this cult has over these young people and for the scales to be removed from their eyes so they can be freed from this man and his cult!
Prayer and ten dollars will get you a sandwich.
You don’t need an adjective in front of Christian, you either believe Jesus is your salvation or you don’t , that’s the only requirement
@@KrisD007 there are MANY PEOPLE who claim to be Christian’s who don’t know the first thing about what that means .. What the fundamental principles of the faith are , so , I disagree. They are Christian’s in identity only …would u consider Robert Shin to be a Christian?? Cause he claims he’s one ..
... praying to a false idol got these vulnerable souls into the situation they are currently in... stop looking outward seeking something from someone else... the power is within you...end of.
returd
Hard NO. Katie Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball said she made this documentary. She was cruel to Garrison Brown's family after he unalived himself and posted a fake video of his family's house when they were grieving. If she's involved you know it's fake. She makes up fake stories.
@@MahmoudKora-wr4sx
Stop spamming!!
She also said garrison had disturbing beliefs 2 days before he died
@@kandikaye4405 She’s a monster with no redeeming qualities.
You can say whatever you want. I have seen the grieving parents on the show. No parent should go through that. It's indeed a cult. And her involvement in this doc is close to none. Let her brag at her small part.
Not to mention 3 days before garrison died she accused him of being racist and having disturbing beliefs
Ok I'm first going to state to the victims in this docuseries I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you feel like you could trust Katie Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball with your stories. I'm not here to discredit people who feel like they are victims or say this isn't a cult because I honestly have no idea. However I'm very disappointed to see that Netflix has decided to air this without seemingly doing any background research into Katie and her very problematic ways. These people sharing their stories thinking they could actually trust WOACB with anything sucks to see because she is NOT an advocate for victims.
Katherine Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball LLC is best described as a trauma vulture. She attaches herself onto popular news stories like a leech and takes things too far and ends up exploiting these people in their vulnerable situations and makes money off of the topic while it's being discussed online currently. Then she'll jump to the next thing and do it all over again when the views start to go down.
I know Katie loves to say that anyone who disagrees with her is a troll, part of the cult, just a hater and any other number of excuses she has for people who disagree with her and dare to criticize her. I know this because I was not only a subscriber but an actual paying member of her channel. And when I disagreed with her enough in chats and pushed back at her, I was blocked and was no longer allowed to chat. Even though I was a paying member for months before I noticed and even after that, trying to give het the benefit of the doubt.
There are many channels dedicated to calling out her lies and problematic behaviours. But there are 2 situations i want to post here as this is dealing with victims. The first is the situation involving a young girl named SL. While the story was still unfolding a video went viral. This young girl was saying she was a victim of SA. Given that she was just a child, no one should question her credibility and the story and allow the authorities to get to the bottom of things. Now thankfully authorities investigated and discovered it was a story made up by her father over custody issues. But at the time Katie had no clue, like the rest of us, whether this situation was real or not. But Katie decided to question the little girls story and call her a brat. Now Katie loves to claim that the evidence of this Livestream, because it is just a clip, is somehow taken out of context. That is a lie. I was in that stream that night and while she might have been reading someone's comment of saying I think she's being a brat. Katie responds with "ya I think she's just being bratty. She goes from crying to fine, crying to fine. It reminds me of when my son pitches a fit". Many people including myself took issue with this statement because regardless, a young child was crying and making serious accusations. You never want to doubt a child who has claimed to have suffered like that. But Katie discussed the girls acting lessons and equated that to her behaviour in the video and ultimately questioned her whole story. To me, you never second guess a child saying that. I would much prefer they investigate and determine it was false then letting an innocent child suffer like that. So this is my first example of her not truly being about advocating for the victim.
Second is involving a man who happened to jump into a live stream and chat. He caught Katie's attention so he without thinking too much about it or doing a Google search on her, he came in and had a conversation with Katie. However this man deals quite closely with vulnerable people and others advocating and bringing awareness to cults. So Preacher Boy decided to do some research into Katie himself after he had received quite a few messages that concerned him. What he learned he said didn't align with his views and methods of how he runs his channel and the work that he does. So he very politely apologized to his audience and followers as he said he was unaware of who exactly Katie was at the time he joined the live. It was very spur the moment and he didn't have time to look into her, which is something he always does he stated. Well Katie didn't take too kindly to being rejected, and decided to go on Instagram live and start bashing this man publicly. He simply made an error of not researching someone who he talked to before hand. Well Katie in this live was just dragging and bashing him and blaming the haters for contacting him. She couldn't, nor can she ever, take accountability for herself. It was her own actions and behaviours online that caused this man hesitation and decided not to work with her anymore. She then had the audacity to accuse this man of abusing his wife by claiming men of this cult have deep rooted issues and clearly he still has much work to do. It was absolutely disgusting.
I mean I could go on and on. Gabby Petito, Marvon McCray, Garrison Brown. Releasing private messages between her and Teen Mom 2 star Jenelle Evans Eason, a DV victim, all because she couldn't break the cycle yet and ended up going back with her abuser. Endangering not just Jenelle's life but her children's lives as well releasing messages of Jenelle confiding in her regarding injuries she sustained. It was already publicly known and very speculated on that things were still happening behind closed doors.
Katie claims to be a journalist and so called reporter. But she told Jenelle those messages were off the record and when Jenelle decided to take him back, rather than extend private support to a DV victim, she chose to plaster all of these confidential messages on her public UA-cam channel and other social media platforms.
These are just some of the stories that are out there that have occurred. Again, I say all of this because Katie Joy is not to be trusted. At the end of the day, just like the Tati Westbrook story and information she thought she had from Clark Swanson, she is most concerned with being the first to break the story. She wants credit and her name to be quoted in everything and she'll scream it from the rooftops if you snub her or she broke a story first and feels like she deserves more credit than what she's getting.
IMO this woman is dangerous and is not an advocate for victims. But rather she looks for vulnerable people and groups to make nice with and use their stories to make money off of. Exploit their stories, get clicks and views but at no point does she help these people connect with proper resources. It's all about her getting the juicy gossip and details but in the past has made clear she doesn't connect people to resources who ask. So how exactly is she an advocate for victims?
My final comment if you've made it this far will be this. When i discovered Katie's channel I was struggling with having just been freed myself. I'm a survivor of SA/DV and finding a community I thought was fighting for the victims made me feel safe and special. I'm not posting all of this because I hate her or am wanting to bash her. I just don't want any other victims fooled by Katie's words because her actions and her words don't add up.
To Netflix, I truly hope you consider putting a warning regarding this woman's involvement, if not pulling this altogether. It sucks for those that want to share their stories. But Katie's involvement at all with this project taints the whole thing in my opinion. Please research her before crediting her when you list the description on Netflix.
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***I also want to make a correction. I was writing this at night, passionately and in my feelings. I have been made aware of some information involving the SL situation. I forgot that it was not confirmed whether the allegations SL made were false and/ or forced by her father. Towards the end of this case I couldn't keep up and decided to no longer follow things closely. The public made an assumption given how things unfolded with the father, that they were likely not true. The father ended up going on the run with SL and they became missing people. When SL was safely returned, she was not taken home to the mother but was returned home to a third party, family member. The allegations were against the mothers boyfriend/ step father. The findings in the investigation have not been made public regarding whether there was any truth to the accusations or not, to my understanding. This case involves a minor and I assume the case is sealed to the public. I want to make it clear that I did not mean to take anything away from SL's heartbreaking video and accusations. I understand she has been put through so much regardless if the allegations have been found to be false or not. I made in clear in my comment that no one should doubt a child's story and I believe that. This young girl deserves to heal and receive help and therapy out of the public eye. The public wouldn't even be aware of things if the father hadn't posted the video and the mother hadn't released the minors medical records to Katie, who then made a video on UA-cam about it. Regardless of how the investigation turned out, this girl deserves privacy and a normal life. I don't care the outcome of this case because it's none of our business. I just wanted to correct or clarify, whatever you want to call it that it has not been proven as fact that the allegations were false and made up, it was simply speculation from the public. To me it doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is that she is safe and can go back to being a kid. I hope to no longer hear about SL and she can go back to living her life and healing from her trauma, whatever that may be. She deserves privacy and peace. Fingers crossed I no longer hear about SL ever again, unless she decides to come out publicly as an adult and speak about her situation. But I did not mean to take anything away from SL and her experience and to add we don't know all the details that occurred. I wish SL nothing but the best in life.
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Say it louder!!!!
Say it louder !!
@@Nikki38 Awe thanks Nikki. Lol I didn't even think about people/ creators seeing this. I just happened to have feelings last night after watching the trailer. I just kinda put pen to paper as the saying goes and stated expressing my feelings, opinions and concerns about Katie's involvement in this project.
@@jenmck23 i read it in my video i just put out today. People need to hear your words. They come the heart🥰
It's just surreal that law can't do anything about this. 🤯🥺 It's disheartening.
Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves” (Matthew 7:15).
You don’t even know you are in one don’t you?
EDIT: watched the documentary, Katie Joy is NOT interviewed. Some of her social media posts appear on screen a few times but they represent a matter of seconds of the 3 episode documentary. You can all go rage elsewhere. 😊
Regardless of whoever Katie Joy is, I’ve read the reviews from news sources and they interview several former members of the cult who have left. This sounds like Classic Cult 101. Just because they interview one shady person does not negate the experiences of the members who left. It’s interesting because I’ve gotten bombarded with videos from Miranda and her husband on Instagram on my feed (I don’t follow either of them). Both very good looking, great dancers, fun videos. I didn’t think much about it but there is always more than meets the eye online.
Exactly this! I came to the comments section while watching this doc but all I read is about some Katie Joy which I've never heard of before in the first place. Guess I'm too old to keep up with this BS lol. But I do know a thing or 2 about cults, and this one definitely ticks some major classic cult boxes, so yeah there's that.. And I'm sure all of those former members didn't lie about their experiences either. But maybe I'm getting sour here, but all I'm thinking while watching this is... oh yeah, America...again! The obsession with religion seems to be sooo huge that I feel any potential cult leader can just stand up and decide to create a new cult within say a few years time or so..
I think all this comments are bots paid by that greedy pastor
@YvieT81 seems most if not all of those comments are shills from the cult. Probably many of them leaving comments are the ones who have been brainwashed. Very sad.
@@jikaarthouThe pastor has his own handlers out there, and trust me, a LARGE part of Hollywood and these smaller scale companies spend millions on fake/bot accounts to grow certain accounts and overwhelmingly be in the comment section defending bs.
Trolls and bots vote too! But don't pay taxes because they're FAKE.
Odd world we live in today.
Most of the comments here are from the cult itself
If you want to know how brainwashing happens in real time, just read the comment section of this video. A whole lot of repetition and misdirection going on... 🤣
Actually you would be inaccurate. I'm not brainwashed or in the cult, a cult victim or hater or whatever else Katie is going around saying. I am a real person who used to be subscribed to her a sadly a paying member to her channel.
Katie has a tendency to block and delete any negative comments, comments that disagree with her and of course any comments criticizing her. I don't know who you are or if you've actually done a simple Google search on Katie Joy and Without a Crystal Ball or WOACB, but her public reputation is not very good. This is not misdirection going on. Sure there is repetition in these comments because Katie is a Trauma Vulture who has a very problematic history that has been documented on UA-cam. It is shocking that people would be willing to have Katie Joy involved in this project when she is in an active lawsuit with Robert Shinn and 7m. She is being sued for defamation regarding some of these exact claims. People take issue with this docuseries because of Katie's involvement. She cannot be trusted. She claims to be a "reporter and journalist" but has many examples of not being very ethical. She has caused harm to many people and exploited people's pain and their stories for clicks and views, to make money on UA-cam.
The one that irritates me the most is Jenelle Evans or Eason from MTV's Teen Mom 2. I'm not saying I like Jenelle but when you have a DV victim sharing details with you and you claim it's off the record so she feels comfortable to open up and share, what happens to honouring the "journalist integrity", when she ends up going back into the DV cycle? Katie decided to judge Jenelle and rather than contact authorities to privately help this woman and mother, who was very likely in danger and a bad situation, Katie decided to publicly blast the "off the record" DM's on her UA-cam and social media accounts. She not only put Jenelle at risk of major retaliation of her abuser, but also risked the safety of Jenelle's children. Why? Because she was mad that Jenelle went back? Katie claims to be a survivor and should understand how stupid and dangerous that was to do. IMO Katie released those DM's because she felt like the "connection" she made with Jenelle back fired on her and Katie couldn't handle looking like a fool. So Katie decided to go on her UA-cam channel and announce and blast the personal admissions Jenelle gave her about abuse she suffered at the hands of her husband. Please explain to me how this is ok? As a survivor myself, that incident sticks with me and is why I'm so vocal on my stance regarding Katie and her involvement with victims.
Some people are just weak.
I'm sorry, but this "documentary" lost all credibility when they decided to involve katie joy; the professional poser and notorious liar behind 'without a crystal ball', an egregiously exploitative reality tv gossip channel on UA-cam.
Exactly. Katie Joy Paulson is completely untrustworthy and very shady.
Absolutely agree!
Well said! What the hell was Netflix thinking putting their reputation on the line by using Katherine Paulson for anything? All those involved in this will learn the hard way to verify their sources as Katherine’s known to compensate individuals to do her dirty work. She lies, cheats, steals all in the name of greed and clout. Be expecting a defamation lawsuit Netflix -,you worked with the Queen of Defamation
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How is she invloved in this movie? I can't find the info and I don't know who she is
Someone thought a man of god couldn't ever be the leader of a cult.. WOW
That's literally the #1 requirement
He isn’t a man of God, pastors are humble and religious. This man is just in it for as much money as possible. Even the Bible says
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Hopefully this “pastor” realizes the things he’s doing.
This trailer doesn't make justice! I wasn't expecting much but MY GOD! How is he not arrested yet? How much do you need on someone start an investigation?!
A Netflix docuseries is more than enough. It's all downhill from here Robert Shinn 😂
Katie Joy Paulson, who has pretty much said everything from "I played only a small part in this documentary" to "I made this documentary happen" is not a credible source for ANYTHING. The beauty of what I'm about to say and the opinions I express is that she can't delete it, as she does ANY comment that is the least bit critical or that corrects her constant factual misstatements. CONSTANT. The following is Katie's recipe for journalistic success, which Meta and UA-cam condone: (1) pick a perceived Christian public figure (usually sourced from TLC); (2) accuse them of being in a cult (any remotely "Christian" religion is a cult to Katie Joy, including Catholicism); and (3) endlessly pick apart their lives, accuse them of serious crimes-always including sex crimes-for which she gives no evidence, and comment nasty things about their appearance. She even made fun of Kody Brown's balding hair in a photo taken at the memorial for his son who had committed suicide. THAT is Katie Joy Paulson in a nutshell. The same women she claims are "victims" are vilified, spoken about like middle school mean girls. Her "reporting" is predominantly sourced from Reddit subs, which she usually doesn't credit. She has made hundreds if not thousands of videos on the Duggars and the Browns, most recently cashing in on the suicide of Garrison Brown in a way that breaches even fundamental ethics of journalism. She has repeatedly lied about the status of her lawsuit with 7M, Miranda, and James. The way she has talked about Miranda as a sex-trafficked cult member has been revolting. Her live-steamed reaction when she learned from a sub that Miranda reunited with her parents very early on in this saga was one of anger, not joy. She was "betrayed" bc the family had the audacity not to tell her first; furious, in fact. See, that messed up her cult narrative. She's no victim's advocate. Her "reporting" is tantamount to defamation and harassment, but bc these people are public figures, she banks on the fact they won't file defamation claims bc, legally, it's very rare for a public figure to win a defamation case, and litigation is very costly. And, of course, to them she's just a lowly UA-camr. Her association with this documentary has me already questioning the veracity of what these people are saying. She is simply not a trustworthy source of information.
Perfectly said!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏💖
💯 🎯 I love so much that kj can't delete any of these comments that are fact! U know it's driving her crazy 🤪 😂...she will be on a drunken bender this wkend, screenshotting these comments & writing novels to try n deflect from her criminal behavior.
I'm praying that by the end of her lawsuit that she ends up w criminal charges bc defamation in MN is criminal. And the fact that kj has now perjured herself & openly brags about her involvement in this while lying under oath saying she hasn't spread her defamatory statements to any 3rd parties, I hope that's the nail in her coffin. Perhaps the MN DA indicts her on criminal charges & the judge holds her in contempt & jail for the perjury (in addition to the criminal defamation).
I also love that KJ keeps saying Robert's suit against her isn't going anywhere will be dismissed & she doesn't care, yet the public court records show the judge telling kj her statements that Shinn is a water boarding human trafficker is "defamatory on its face, unless u have proof of such claims..." So show ur proof & the greatest order in the suit is "defendants motion to dismiss is DENIED." 😅 she was also ordered to answer all interrogatories that she refuses to answer.
This whole series is very bad for Netflix bc now I won't believe anything they ever put out bc they obviously don't vet their sources.
@@goose4397Netflix put out Leaving Neverland… all BS about Michael Jackson… so I wouldn’t put too much faith in their documentaries.
Who is this person anyway? Never heard of her in the first place!
All this rant doesn't deny that miranda wasn't in a cult so bark somewhere else. And she has done hardly any contribution. THERE ARE OTHERS ON THE PROJECT DOING BETTER CONTRIBUTIONS!!! WATCH IT GUYS!!! SPREAD AWARENESS!
It's crazy to have loved a lot of the content, never knowing it had such a dark side associated with it!?!
You know this documentary will be problematic because Katie Joy Paulson is claiming to have spearheaded the whole thing. Not sure I'd get any advice from someone who has been in as many defamation lawsuits as she has. She's all about histrionics and exaggeration.
So why do you believe that she was as involved as she says she is? She lies all the time so idk why everyone is so convinced that what she’s saying about the doc is suddenly the truth.
@@nathena8we know kj doesn't tell the truth & probably is exaggerating her involvement. But during kjs bragging of how this is HER project & cldnt have happened wo wilmer Valderrama & Jessica acevedo, everything in this clip is from KJs IG. Oh & 1 of the ppl who countersued Shinn flipped & handed over everything to Shinn. In those mesgs Jessica responds to everyone saying they don't want to work on this project if Katie doy is involved & she said "we understand but we can't get rid of her it's not gonna happen." So it's my opinion KJ paid to have this large scale defamation flix made or its a trap setting the trashbag blogger up.
@@goose4397 yes I know everything that has happened too. Don’t assume that just because I disagree with you that I must not know the whole story. All of the evidence points toward this being a full blown cult and you guys would rather see the 7M member suffer for the rest of their lives if it means proving KJ wrong. Being even more ridiculous and hateful than she is is not going to take her down- you all have been trying for years and it hasn’t happened yet. Maybe try a new approach.
@@goose4397 Cultsyuck was always a bit of a loose cannon and then threw her colleagues under a bus to get herself out of the lawsuit. That’s in no way evidence of Shinn’s innocence. I really believe you all would love to see the 7M members suffer under him forever if it means taking KJ down. The KJ haters are the only ones who believe this isn’t a cult, and by calling their lived experiences into question, you’re doing just as much damage to these dancers as she has. You all have had this approach for years and it has accomplished nothing.
@@nathena8 Cultysuck wisely settled early on in the litigation and handed over her work product etc. as part of the settlement terms, just like Katie Joy gave up her journalistic source and all their conversations so she could save her ass as a defamation defendant in Tati's suit. I have to think reading your comment that perhaps you've not seen all the posts, videos, live streams, and ugly comments KJ made that were shockingly cruel and reckless with the truth on this 7M topic. What you may not understand is, KJ showed us no evidence of a sex-trafficking cult recruiting unsuspecting young dancers. She showed us no evidence that cult membership was required for 7M representation. She showed us no evidence these dancers even went to church. She read allegations from a lawsuit out loud on live streams as if they were facts that had been proven in court--horrible allegations, criminal allegations--but didn't bother telling her audience the lawsuit had been dismissed in favor of Shinn bc the plaintiff, Lydia (who may be in this documentary ), was deemed not credible by the judge. You see how dishonest that is as a reporter? That's not someone who is a truth-seeker, an ethical journalist. She's apparently brainwashed you to think her "haters" want to see the dancers suffer? Get out of here with that melodrama. Her "haters" are simply 15,000+ people with common sense and discernment. We didn't interfere with these young people's contracts, she did. We didn't digitally stalk them, she did. We didn't post videos mocking these "victims," she did. We didn't portray Miranda as a sex-trafficked cult member, she did. We didn't insert ourselves into Miranda's family's real life under the pretext of cult expertise, she did. I think you've got a group of disgruntled people whose careers have been affected by the negative publicity drummed up by KJ and who have decided to seize a legal opportunity.
So it's like being in a K-pop band?
Except kpop bands aren't forced to cutoff their familys.. this is nothing compared to a cult.. please do research
I think Netflix is pretty brave putting this out with Katherine Paulson being involved with a deformation lawsuit against her from Robert shin. I wonder how the production co will feel when they are attached to said lawsuit and brought in as witnesses. I won’t watch anything that WOACB is involved in, but I will be waiting for the backlash
She’s a drunk/ addict herself. She better tread lightly. Her addiction is getting her in toooo deep and we know her now.
And Miranda is also in that lawsuit against KJ
Oops forgot this, the judge ordered Robert Shinn could not talk about KJ and KJ couldn’t him. She’s hungry for fame and did so anyway and I’m anxious to see what happens to her
same sis. same
@@LylaLevin-bd4uk The judge didn't render a gag order on KJ. But these posts she's now making are not helping her defense.
the scene where melanie dances in the rain is sublime. final message of love sent to his sister.

Do you know that this girl was sued by tati Westbrook? I think you need to ask celebrity and very notable lawyer Michael Saltz, Esquire about this.
Ive cancelled my Netflix membership and have made a video about this. Sorry but me and my subscribers.have cancelled our memberships. You need to vet your sources. Katie Paulson is a trauma vulture and has put Miranda And James Derrick in danger.
Yep cancelled it a long time ago and never looked back. If this is their example of new and great original content then… they should expect a lot more loss esp with Katie joys name attached. I’m sure a lot of people canceled as soon as she announced it
@@arlyandjay oh ya everyone is pissed.off they want nothing to do with netflix now.
@ nikki38,also canceled mine as well! Thank you Nikki for all your hard work that you do exposing this vile creature for all the lies she has told. Most of all the harm this creature has done to hurt and destroy so many people. 😊
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Enjoyed your video yesterday! I hope you had a great night out with your sister!
that's funny , cult members extremely popping in the comments section.
Now a documentary about tiktok
Thank God my Dad,always talk with my siblings and I. About this Religious Cult. Don't let no one control your life 🫡
"Don't let ANYONE control your life."
Seriously?!? Katie Joy Paulson contributed to this? If so, don’t call it a documentary. You’ve lost credibility before it was even released.
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Kj is the tabloids of youtube
Yes, ignore all the victims speaking for someone THAT ISN'T EVEN THERE
I’ve seen some of these dancers on UA-cam. Can’t wait!!!
Isn’t Miranda currently suing Katie Joy Paulson for defamation because Katie publicly lied about her? How do I know that this production is valid?
Yup! And don’t forget Miranda is also suing her for tortious interference for loosing them brand deals.
Yep 💯 has been for 2 years which is the timeframe this was made in
Yes she being sued by 7m. She has made so many wild statements with no proof. Although she claims to have sources......a lot of us don't believe a word she says.
Yep and I hope she gets every penny after KJ tried to destroy her and her dream
And tortious interference with a contract, and infliction of emotional distress. That this lawsuit has made it past a motion to dismiss and that the court has ordered Katie to participate in discovery is fantastic for the plaintiffs. The court has already determined it's not legally frivolous.
Zero credibility if Katie Joy is involved. Very disappointing you didn't vet her properly. Will NOT be watching this "documentary."
Omg, you will not watch it😢😢😢😢😢
@@jessg101 Out of all the comments on this thread talking about how Katie Joy has zero creditability, you chose mine to be a smart-ass on...why is that exactly? 🤔
Who is Katie Joy?
@@LaurieDesAutels Just read thru the comments below and it will explain exactly who she it.
@@Dana-BrittShes not in the credits. At all. Yall trippin.
i love how many comments there are calling out katie joy of without a crystal ball for the trauma vulture that she is. she is absolutely vile, untrustworthy and thinks her opinions are facts. i haven’t seen anything officially attaching her to this project other than her blabbing about being a “consultant” and acting as if she personally solely created this production. she is currently being sued for defamation by robert for saying vile things about him without any proof. this all makes netflix look so bad for not doing more background checks and everything being said in this production is merely hearsay, probably bs as kj is a source (allegedly anyway) - definitely won’t be watching.
I love this for her. Just like when the news station interviewed her about Ruby Franke. The comments were hilarious. And she can’t delete any of them. 👏🏼
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It would've been nice to know about this before I watched the series
You're the first one who watched stfu😂
Bla bla bla bla youre Robert Shins crust ass sucker
If anyone sees my comment, I don’t want to discredit anybody’s feelings because I don’t know about the drama about withoutacrystalball but the one part where she is mentioned is when the documentary is narrating how many people were talking about Robert Shinn (not just her) from the video that Miranda’s family made. She appears from 53:15 to 53:20 and 53:33 to 53:40 of the first episode. The other information/research comes from other dancers that were from 7M management/Shekinah, ex-members of Shekinah, audio/video recordings of Robert’s sermons, Miranada’s parents and sister, another set of parents of a dancer that is in 7M management that are going through the same issues, and one or two pictures from an ex-member named Priscilla. This information is just from the first two episodes, I haven’t watched the third yet.
Oh no, Katie Joy is associated with this documentary?! She has harassed and falsely accused soooooo many people with her outrageous lies!!!! Netflix needs to fact check before releasing documentaries like this!!! I feel so bad for Miranda. Now I can see why she cut off her family!!!
Absolutely! They are responsible for their daughter cutting them off and to bring in someone like KJ who is thirsty for chaos and lies to tell on complete strangers is disgusting. Miranda begged them to stop. KJ’s comment was you hit someone where it huts and they’ll come back. That’s when her idiots got a dozen contracts cancelled that Miranda had. She cut off her money. However, no one expected she would continue her life and NOT come home. She’s a part of the lawsuit against KJ with 7M and I pray justice is served and for every single person she’s tried to destroy
I don’t think that they are even going to have her name in the credits from the way she’s talking. 😂😂😂
@@LylaLevin-bd4uk YESSS 👏
I'm hoping that after Netflix reads all these comments & sees ppl canceling their subscriptions to them bc they worked w kj, that they don't even air this. And then I hope they sue kj for all the $$ they lost. She defrauded them when she said she's a journalist w facts 😂
@@goose4397 netflix doesn't care about people canceling their subs. They proved that multiple times from when they did can't share passwords thing and the raising prices multiple times. All it takes is one good show or a handful for them to gain back their popularity. They got a shit ton of subscribers from Stranger Things and Bridgerton alone.
In every cult documentary I've ever watched I've been able to spot some degree of charisma in the "leader", until now lol. It blows my mind ANYONE could be seduced by this guy, I watch all the cult docs and I've never said/thought that. I mean what am I missing???
I thought the same way. I think it's what they got in return. Fame, views, celebrity and money
He must be good at talking because he’s frightening to look at.
I agree but I think it's a combination of young adults, naive, he promises them money and fame and well...they're Americans obsessed with god/religion. Then this is what you get. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Fame hungry artists
Not always the case! Look! Trump became a president when he has a vocabulary of a first grader!!! Anything is possible. I actually thought this Shinn guy sounded smarter than Trump. 😂
There’s no sin except the sin of abusing another by exercising one’s power…
the video at the begining kinda looks like an act to me
Is Tight Eyez part of 7M? Is this the reason all the krumpers he mentored fell out with him?
He is apart of 7M. But, 7M is not the reason; but, there is an interesting story about all the reasons why some fell out with him.
I watched this documentary and it was pretty good. I would recommend it.
This is a gut wrenching docu-series. I feel so bad for the parents & family members that lose there loved ones to cults like this one. How can anyone of sound mind accept the idea that "you must leave your family" for God to save you. That Robert Shinn dude is one sick f#$@.
Katie joy cannot be trusted.
Miranda wasn’t part of this series so how can they claim to be telling “her story”.
She’s an adult who has controlling parents and a sister who sadly isn’t talented enough to make it without Miranda. Not being mean, it’s just apparent. She felt like they were holding her back.
She was just becoming very successful until she was attacked by a clout chasing UA-camr that interfered with her contracts and made up lies about her.
Her parents briefly became involved with this UA-camr but quickly realized that she is not credible so they stopped working with her.
It’s a sad situation but I think she is the sanest person in her family. Her parents and sister posting on social media crying and being so dramatic show how dysfunctional they are.
Her sister locked her out of their tic toc and stole the money . What did they expect.
@@talkingofthetown253 That’s awful! 😢
Melissa looks like a foot.
Sorry, Melany. I keep forgetting her name
I WONDER WHY NOTHING FROM HER SIDE IS OUT THERE!? why does everyone bother only with her parents and sis? And her family isn't the only one. The pastor is known to have committed crimes before!!! Speak after knowing stuff!!!
@@Sweetpea064 you wonder why her part isn't out there... its because she has denied giving statements!!! its even mentioned in the documentary!!! AND AT THIS POINT ITS NOT ABOUT HER!!! There are women that were raped!!! they need justice from that cultish bastard!!! His own right hand man of 30 years and his daughter have both left the cult lol
This comment section is mad culty 💀
Will yall be showing how Miranda's 100% intouch with her parents present day?? I sure don't reply to birthday post from my father since I've cut him out of my life like Miranda's doing lol
Maybe Melanie should have never locker her own sister out their joint tiktok account then change the pw while pocketing alllllll of the money they both earned on that app together!! Is it Miranda's fault she has more star quality then Melanie?
(Im sure I'll be accused of being a cult member too like Katherine Paulson likes to do when others have different opinions, cant delete and block this message can you KJ?) 💅
According to Katie we are all apart of a cult simply because we don’t like her and call her out
I support your comment. Miranda is living her best life & for whatever reason we need a film bc a sister was jealous. Lord child.
Yep, a family of jealousy after the real prize gave em the slip. Bravo! !!!!
I've always thought Melanie was just jealous that Miranda really took off once she started focusing on content with her husband. Probably bitter that all of her wedding content is still not getting her anywhere near the following Miranda has.
I hope Miranda sues Netflix too!
Priscilla and Melanie alone was SO MUCH. I hope Netflix will do a follow up.
This series just shows how many holes are still present in the justice system that may never be amended
The real crime here is these people get paid to do stupid dances 😂😂😂
So the takeaway. No one has common sense anymore😂😂😂
The devil is busy, yall...Sad to see families destroyed.. I've seen one cult documentary after another. All classic signs... At the end of the day, Karma is a B, and every person will have their day
Wow. Who decided Katie Joy is a reliable source for anything? As long as it's lining her pockets. She's the biggest trauma vulture I've ever seen.
Looks like a trailer of a scorned sister to me. That's sad.
Weird that Miranda was just at her families house during holiday.
Melanie released that video crying bc Miranda wanted to live her own life. Why is that a bad thing?!
Looks like a buncha scorned people to me.
I thought so too. Miranda’s family treated her poorly. I personally feel like the scorned sister is doing this for her own career boost. She’s not as pretty or as talented as Miranda though.
@@iloveweekends635 idk that would go that far. I think Melanie is a beautiful talented woman all by herself. She can have a fan base too.
I still think she started this mess for no reason.
And I believe Miranda's version of events. Miranda has no ill in her heart to have been this spiteful through in my opinion. She has carried herself well & holds her family dear to her heart.
Clearly a humble girl trying to find her place in the world. She seems to love B-Dash , they make a beautiful couple especially with the dancing.
Idk that's just what I see. I don't think Miranda's in a cult. What I would say , is Robert is probably a business man as he his religious. He probably takes his business seriously that he might say cut everyone out of your life bc you're going to dance for Jesus lol no seriously business is business. His is multi million I'm sure he probably drove a hard bargain.
Maybe some didn't have what it takes for his business deals & now they're slighted. Idk.
The only things i think I know is Miranda looks like she's living her best life & sees her family. I hope she is & I wish her much health & prosperity. I adore her dancing & personality. She's a doll.
@@mistiemo1665 In what way did Miranda start it? We all have a right to cut toxic people out of our lives. Her parents and sister making that video was so dramatic and inappropriate. I can see why she distanced herself from them.
@@Sweetpea064 I never said Miranda started it. I'm unsure if you read my comment wrong.
@@Sweetpea064 I said clearly I don't think it's a bad thing Miranda wanted to live her own life .
I’ve never heard of Katie Joy Paulson. Can someone explain what she has done and said?
The first few comments are all about saying how she’s a bad person and I just to know why so I can informed
Katie Joy stated in a video that her son would murder someone because he is autistic. Katie Joy also demonstrate how to SEXUALLY abuse a child in a video
Ok I left a very long comment about a couple examples. But it's honestly a harder question to answer because there are so many examples over the years. She is basically what we call a Trauma Vulture. She starts claiming to "report" on stories but the real reason is because she simply wants to make money and ends up taking things way too far. The latest example is the tragic passing of Garrison Brown. He got ahold of audio and reports about his suicide. She doesn't truly care about the victims but rather it's all about clicks and views. She exploits victims and simply wants to cover their stories to make money. Please don't take my word for it. There are many channels that call out her problematic behaviour and her history is well documented on UA-cam. WOACB vs WOACB, Renelle Smith, Southern Mutton, Nee nee Marie, Cactus Bill, and many more. See for yourself why people have such issues with her.
Just Google her!!!
It’s just bots commenting. Trying to put the willies up Netflix to deter the real public from watching and liking the brilliant doco. Ignore the bots.
It's cultists and bots
I feel so sad for the korean sisters
I would of been interested in this but since your using Without a Crystal Ball as a source I can’t trust that this documentary is truthful. Katie Joy is a vile, disgusting trauma vulture. Next time get someone that doesn’t have such an awful reputation to source your documentary.
Those people on tiktok are soo cringe
Easy fix here folks
Don't follow Miranda anymore
Her leader won't like this.
Im unfollowing her for 2 reasons
1. She is picking someone else over a relationship with her family.
2. Cult
In the docu are other victims who weren't even dancers, but explaining how everyone else works in other businesses the leader owns. Over 11h a day for 100bucks a week
It’s really hard to take this documentary seriously when involving somebody like Katie Joy Paulson from WOACB. I am not coming from a religious place, some made up hate group, or malice, I am someone who is truly for victims of many kinds. How can she claim to be an activist for women in cults… and then ridicule, degrade, bully and shame the same women when finally breaking free. I have watched her shame and insight hate on a former cult member for having a medical procedure after enduring a heartbreaking miscarriage. She literally made a video shaming the woman for having the procedure, knowing where her faith was, told everyone it was really an a6ort10n!! This young woman’s social media was being Berated with accusations of the above and telling her she offed HER BABY😢😢 And then Katie went on to engage in making sm posts giving a medical description of the procedure and said the DNC was technically an ab0r710n, I cannot begin to imagine what this woman went through after seeing the hate mob. The young woman took a sm break after the incident.
I can think of hundreds of videos where Katie pokes fun at women in cults and even when they do break free(as she claims she wants them to)she then dissects their every move. Not to encourage, standby or send love, but to then shame, degrade and hatefully pick apart their choices. Not that growing up in a cult would take time to rid themselves of their ways… nope. These women breaking free and in the spotlight, better act exactly how Katie needs them to, or she will be there with her following, to shame, bully and ridicule them into, being exactly who she needs them to be. I am just shocked that any reputable production company would choose such a bully to be a part of a documentary with such sensitive content. Content that Katie has used to fill her pockets as she bullys, shames, mocks, and ridicules those in or exiting cults, or cult like atmospheres.
FYI, the videos are out there of Katie degrading Miranda…. This is just sad.
Exactly! And remember when she claimed that a couple who had their first child was abusing and starving their baby bc it has lost weight. The baby had trouble latching and it was remedied quickly. The mother was crying and traumatized by Kj announcing that lie to her 300k subs. She’s vicious.
Very well said!! 100% agree with everything you wrote.
@@Sweetpea064yep!! And the irony of that whole incident is, KJs own son (who was in daycares the 1st yr or 2 of his life) became a "failure to thrive" after 4 months in his egg donors care & required a feeding tube. Kj doesn't like when ppl bring up the burden she publicly shared all this info on, but it's totally fine for her to do to others. She's the devil & I can't wait til she reaps what she has sewn
How about the girls who were on the run from a real cult . She gave up there car and the safe house . She put them in Real Danger ! I can't wait until she loses it all . She did 24 videos on a suicide vet . Berating his family . She was the one who had a hand in bullying him .
She started degrading Miranda the minute Miranda resumed contact with her family on that IG post and explained that the reason why there had been no contact had to do with family issues--namely Miranda marrying a man they didn't know half-way across the country and a changing business relationship with her sister--and not cults.
Wow... I need to get netflix for this documentary. This is awful, what happens there! And it proves, that you can't trust everyone and the dance business + social media have some dark places you don't want to get to.
When I first found Miranda Derrick, I was so jealous of her for all her views and talent and life. Now, I am shocked! And happy, I am not in her situation as weird, as it sounds.
comment section is super weird
Netflix done messed up not researching katie joy properly 😂
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Right?? Google is free 😅
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Exactly 💯
Netflix doesn’t care about credibility. It’s about money.
Yall act like ppl know who Kate Joy is… yall in the cult? These comments are sus man
Actually no. These comments aren't sus at all if you did a quiz Google Search into Katie Joy of Without a Crystal Ball. She's a UA-camr that claims to be a "reporter and journalist" but has a very problematic past and is being sued for defamation regarding these claims and accusations against 7m and Robert Shinn.
@@Twothree8126 I'm not spamming under every comment. But secondly there is a difference between changing somebody's mind and their opinion and informing someone who Katie Joy is and why people have such an issue with her. Big difference
@@jenmck23 are you pro Robert Shinn? I get that u can be anti Kate but being pro Robert is bad too lol
@@imandychoiall of the accounts have only left comments under this one video, that’s how you know…
I think Netflix should hire a real investigative journalist & look into the trauma vulture that is Katie Joy Paulson of Without a Crystal Ball. The things she had done to people which in my opinion getting the law on another UA-camr being 1 of them. Or lying in court documents that included false claims of sexual harassment against another UA-camr.
Someone should definitely do a piece on how dangerous UA-camrs gossiping can be. She has hurt many people. Sadly mostly women in alleged cults. It's incredibly frustrating how some busy body like her can attack & ridicule strangers & make thousands upon thousands of dollars off a kids Su1cide. I'm personally sick of the woman. The day shes held accountable will be a good day.
Trauma vulture. Damn.. I'll remember that word.
That would actually be a good documentary about all the crappy things she has done.
Miranda Derrick has continuously made posts that she wants nothing to do with her family and i don’t blame her now that I see they are actively trying to destroy her career.
They seem like narcissts to me, furious they lost control of their trophy kid and got left with the loser.
@KayD Exactly! They lost their cash cow and now they have to go back to their desk jobs! Bummer for them!! 😅
"Career"...
Ah yes I hope she has bank records stating she was the cash cow with the pathetic amount she earns
I'm not watching if Kathy Joyless Paulson is involved in any way. That woman cannot be trusted.
Well you’re missing out then aren’t you! You could be learning how dangerous this man and his cult is!
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With Katie Joy Paulson this could be as fake as Baby Reindeer. Has anyone asked Miranda what she wants for her life? Maybe after this released Miranda can appear on a talk show and give her side of the story.
I hope after her lawsuit, which I hope she wins. That she will finally come out and retell her side of the story. Since, she has tried to say from the beginning.
She didn't go to her grandfather's funeral can you believe that??Everyone is asking her what's wrong? And all she says is controlling this and controlling that!? Her husband stayed 7 weeks at her house and they didn't feel controlled? They kept visiting even after going to LA. There are phone calls and conversations and you are saying she isn't brainwashed!? I want to know her side of story for not visiting her grandfather's funeral!!
@@sharondsouza8054 I didn't go to my Grandfathers' funeral and we were very close. I wasn't prepared at the time to deal with the death of him. I was young also. There is so much more to not going to anyone's funeral and make a blanket judgement over that is just wrong. She explained her side of the story and the events at that time. Her family isn't this picture perfect family that they like to portray.
@@flyingmomlaura8723 SHE WASN'T YOUNG!!! SHE WAS AN ADULT!!! AND LYING TO NOT VISIT YOUR GRAMPS FUNERAL IS NO REASON!!!! THIS DOC ISN'T ABOUT HER!!! WOMEN ARE RAPED!!! Did you lie to your parents too? said you had covid or something?? as a teen if you don't want to grieve and escape from reality is one thing but as an adult you need to show basic responsibility towards the dead!!! Especially towards a loving one!!! don't give me that crap about oh it must have been her way of dealing. You don't have to lie like this to deal!!! It's so selfish
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Not everyone is good with funerals, people react differently in times of grief.
Except that Robert loves to quote the Bible, what he does is actually no different from the managers of the K-pop entertainment company. This Korean guy must hv learned a lot from how k-pop companies control their little kids
Who the hell is katie joy? Lol
Google her!!
A wannabe journalist who makes up crap. The drunker she gets the more outrageous her lies become.
No the real question is: why does this comment section gets flooded with comments about some Katie Joy? Cult tactics 😉
These comments and everyone mentioning her is another cult 😂
I'm gathering she's the one that makes cults nervous. Clearly from the comment section. 🤣
Hmm so we’re supposed to feel sorry for these influencers?
Ikr lol...influencer = lazy entitled millennial
They are still human beings. Maybe some empathy should be felt