ECHO We Have A Problem. Customers PB-8010/9010 Echo Backpack Blowers Keep Dying!
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2023
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Echo needs to be giving you some free stuff for doing their QC job for them.
Agreed!
Hopefully they don’t go amber heard and file a deformation lawsuit 😂
@@UA-camcensoredmyusername "Deformation" 😆
You're a valuable representative for Echo products, and hopefully, they recognize their honest representatives. Each product has a minor issue that repair shops are their first line of defective recognized issues. If you were in my hometown! I'd have you as my number one shop!
It's not biting the hand that feeds! It's called feedback! If the manufacturer doesn't get told of issues they're just gonna keep on building machines that fail.
You do a great job helping people and explaining how to fix equipment.
This is why her so crabing numbers have Jumped. Well deserved! Was watching when she had like 70+ thousand.
The biggest baddest blower I had was one of my own creation. I took an old belt drive furnace fan, 208 cc Honda clone, some duct metal, bicycle brake control, idler pulley and arm from an old snow blower and an old lawn mower deck and made my own walk behind blower. It was engaged and disengaged with the bike brake handle and cable connected to the idler pulley to tighten the belt and manually through the engine speed control. Boy, that thing was powerful. Unfortunately the squirrel cage came apart and I ultimately scrapped it, Next time I do this I will be reinforcing the squirrel cage wheel.
You legit should be on the Echo corporate payroll. You keep investigating until you find the real causes of problems. Repair techs here just either say they can't fix it or that it's fixed when it's not. lol. As a dealer, I hope you have an Echo rep you can let know the problems with their machines.
Nice repair..
I would add some heat shield or a layer of shrink tubing to those wires to add another layer of protection and prevent this from happening again.
Actually had the exact opposite problem on an old PB-6000!! The wire would pull out and the unit wouldn't shut off. I finally just crimped it! Great vid!
Thanks! You keep on doing you. I appreciate the fact that if it is a problem you'll fix it and show us what the issue is regardless of the toes that may get stepped on. I had NO idea the warranty was 5 years for home owners! That's Bossin (is that even a word?)...LoLz
As a former Echo dealer, I found Echo to be the most responsive to dealer service issues. At dealer tech updates, they'd always ask "what have you seen?" An Echo rep would write down problem areas on their equipment the techs mentioned. They would address most of these issues quickly. A great company to deal with, imo.
i had an echo chainsaw, after one year of light use it quit, the local echo dealer refused to even try to put a new clutch on it and i called echo and got a run around hassle, and the saw never got fixed, so much for that 5 year warranty
Everything echo I’ve ever had has lasted. 2 chainsaws 2 backpack blowers and a string trimmer. Never had a problem
@@jimmyf1312 good for you jimmy, you get a cookie
@@corruptduboiscountyindiana5058 oh sorry! I didn’t realize you were allowed to share your experience with echo equipment and no one else was. Douche
@@corruptduboiscountyindiana5058we will list this of things that never happened . You either fried the clutch from misuse under "light use " and refuse to take responsibility or your dealer is a moron. I suspect the first.
While at it, I'd slip those wires into heat shrink tubing so as to give them additional chafing protection. Big virtual hug to you Bre !
For a while there I thought it might have been scared of heights, stopping once it was up on the operators back. Thanks for the videos and tech, mate 👍🇦🇺
Thanks to you, I bought an Echo 2511 chainsaw and couldn't be happier. Great saw!
I live on a large lot with a lot of trees, mainly pine and oak, and have used both my Husqvarna 150BT and Husqvarna 580BTS leaf blowers a lot. The only thing I've ever had happened to them was a broken cut-off switch wire on the 150BT. I've been extremely pleased with both of them. I know the STIHL and the Echo blowers are the go to for the professionals, but the Husqvarnas have served me well.
As always great. Finding random things anywhere is sometimes a mystery worth investing. THANKS Todays random item was a "new nut" in the parking lot of the hardware store. Yes, found owner.
A little heat shrink tubing where those wires connect to each other won't hurt either
Plus I’d be tempted to repair the wires with a splice rather than travel to a dealer. Or wait for mail. But would have to find a suitable crimp because I would not trust solder in that hot environment.
@@N4HHE that motor would never get hot enough to melt solder🧐
@james-rk5sd I said nothing about melting. Solder gets soft with higher temperatures. Vibration. Fatal combination. You will not find solder splices under the hood of automobiles. DoD, FAA, NASA, do not allow wires to be soldered to connectors.
Get a small brass tube from the hobby shop which just fits over the wires. Cut about 1/2” length. Fit heat shrink over one wire. Insert stripped wires into tube, overlap the strands. Crush in a crimp tool which folds the center in to pinch the strands. Move the heat shrink over, shrink.
@@N4HHE yes i know what crimp connectors are i have a bunch of bass ones
Good catch, Echo makes good equipment and not a terrible fix once you figure out what the issue is. Cheers.
Seriously, Echo needs hire you as a consultant when developing new models. Combining people like yourself in the trades with a wealth of knowledge alongside engineers who design these products would be a win-win situation.
You are incredible! Submit your application to Echo's R & D department as a "Consultant." Consultants make ridiculously big salaries
This is awesome. I have a PB8010 that is about 5 years old and I use a LOT on my 2 acres in the fall. Never had a lick of trouble with it yet, but when it does this I'll know where to look!
I have a Redmax 6200 from the1990s when I was a pro landscaper. The thing STILL runs great. It's not used commercially anymore but I do run it for at least 20-30 hours every fall to clean up my leaves. I can't believe it's held up this well without any repairs.
That legendary Redmax quality...have some Xenoahs (with the null "O")/Green Machines that are still going strong after nearly 40 years in the saddle.
Another entertaining and informative video. I don't have the 8010, but my neighbor does. I might be able to help him out someday. I enjoyed the "back-pack blower boogie" near the end. Also, I appreciated your comment about calling the manufacturer and getting the story that they have never heard of that issue before. I have a self-feeding drum sander in my wood shop that began mis-tracking a few months ago. I replaced the drive belt twice (at $65 a pop). I googled the issue and found it appeared to be a chronic problem, with no definite fixes. I called the manufacturer, got "that's a new one" and told them they might want to Google the problem as I had easily found several hundred folks with the same issue and little to no manufacturer support. After 3 buddies and I had tried to figure it out for weeks, I called a retired machinist friend to stare at it with me. He found the problem in about 1 minute. I bought a new drive roller with fresh, sharp knurling and the problem was fixed. Thx.
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The hitch pin you found looks like a bowtie cotter pin used on a mower deck.
it looks like an ariens lm21sw swivel wheel pin
Good thing to know thank you very much you take care be safe
Bre! thanx for yet another awesome video. Good troubleshooting yet again! Always helpful. Thanks for for the visit yesterday, as I dropped by to say hi and pick your brain! You're the goodest! Thank you for all you do!
Once again thank you Chickanic for another time, frustration. and money saving tip!
Our shop has sold over 200 8010s and 9010s and 910 Shindiawa's only real problem that we have seen with them is fuel filter pluging issues, mostly in commercial use. Have not seen any kill wire issues yet, but will keep it in mind. Commercial opperators just carry a fuel filter or two in truck and change it out when unit gets low on power or won't rev up. A few broken main frames from one gulf coarse that keeps droping them off carts is the only other issue we have seen with them.
Nice to know about the kill wires. Thanks for the video. Stay safe.
When I was an echo dealer they never admitted they had any defects. Plus i had lying sorry distributor in Ok city.
When they started cutting dearlers throats by selling in all the box stores. I quit being a dealer! Then they ruined shindaiwa, to hell with them.
When a company have ethics like that and cuts the throats of dealers that feds them they should be run out of business!
Great video Bre, just a prime example of a variety of issues that can arise, thank you.
You rock thank for what you do for helping us. And stoping us from attacking are stuff with a B F H ⚒. Y'all have a great weekend !!!!!!
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for my unit.
Can you explain how a break or discontinuity in the coil kill can kill the engine. Usually the kill switch grounds the coil primary circuit to kill the ignition. A discontinuity seems like it would make the machine continue to run even if the switch were activated. Maybe the kill line is grounding where it is pinchd in that little slot? Thanks for showing this!
Rooster, I've seen this a lot as well. The wire she replaced has compromised insulation and is grounding to the engine or bracket that holds it. I wish she would have shown that. The quick home owner fix is to just smear some liquid electrical tape over that wire near the holder. You are correct, a squished wire or one pinched in a plastic shroud is not grounding the primary side of the coil.
@@TheGreasyShopRag I am confident that Chick knows her stuff. Your solution is similar to what I might do, but I can see where a shop like hers or yours might prefer to place a new part. Later!
Had a PB 770 T, for 11 years, only had to change out the fuel filter, moved a lot of leaves with it over the years.
Really nice diagnosis and fix. Echo take note! 👍👍.
I love your videos, I learn so much on things that are easy fixes, Thanks. GLORY!!!
I think I figured this out when you extended your arm out the second time ,i thought it might be a wire. 😊great video.
The kill switch works by grounding the coil. You have a short to ground (the short block) on the wire from the coil.
Right, and I still didn’t see where it was happening. That suspicious looking little spot didn’t seem to be worn through.
Glad to know this, so if and when the problem appears, I know what to look for, and your right, its a beast of a blower, first time I heard one run in person I was like..."I WANT ONE" , I have typical type southeastern Texas type lawn, meaning lots of leaves and pine needles in my yard, and they are hard to blow off the yard, not with this one, yes, its a bit heavy, loud, you need hearing protection, but its fun to blow leaves with it, it blows them away :)
Use a 755 for regular size properties, but have the 9010 for very large properties. Looking forward to fall, the 9010 should do excellent cleaning up leaves.
Great video. Great visual demonstration.
Great tips on troubleshooting
Glad you like the 770 I went from a hand held McCullough to a echo 770 and its as near a jetpack as it could be.very fine bit of kit. Keep up the good videos
Thank you for helping us. Nice video.
That’s great. Thanks for the advice.😊
Goodmorning from alabama Bre!, Once again Thanks. I can use this to help my 85 yearold father inlaw. Alabama is a big fan.
Noticed the cover was broken in two spots at one of the screw access holes.I have a Husqvarna 350BT. Plenty of power for a home owner and a lot quiter. Love your videos.
Dude, ex-mechanic here. Spent 18 years in the car business. Your method of diag is legit, and you explain stuff in a way that really makes things easy to understand. Mad respect. Subscribed.
I have a 2005 John Deere 42 inch cut. With a 17.5 motor. The motor blew up. So I had a 24 horsepower motor to go on but I had another guy wire it. He said it needed another coil. And the choke wasn’t right and he didn’t know how to fix it. I know that the coil needs changed because it won’t start now or when it does it won’t stay running. And sometimes it backfires while trying to start it. Tim. From Ohio. Thank you for your time. God bless You have a great show..
Thank you for making the model blower searchable by listing it in the title.
It looks like the owner of this 8010 gives it a hot supper. That never helps things. I own a 9010, and I am a bit obsessive compulsive about taking care of it. No kill wire issues for me. Yet. After watching this, I may take preventative measures. Thanks for another great video.
Great info! I have an echo hb but mainly use my redmax eb's older but get the job done!
Just bought a 9010. Thanks for the info
Love my 20+ year old PB-304. It's only been in the shop ONCE because I left crappie gas in it over the winter. It's definitely not a beast by modern standards but it has always gotten the job done and unlike modern blowers it has a curved end on the tube which I think all blowers should still have.
Thank you for sharing knowledge.
Nice work Bre as always, have a great weekend.
Another thought provoking video. Kudos!
Seems like the wires were too restricted Bre. Great job.🔧👍🇬🇧
Just the faces and exaggerated movements you made while you were testing the fix got a thumbs up (and a giggle) from me. Funny! I'm a 8010 owner, so if mine starts exhibiting this issue I'll know exactly what to look for. Thanks for posting up!
Thank you for helping all of us❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️
Great video as always. Kill wire is the problem..
Also been meaning to get the owl tools torx drivers so stopped video and ordered both kinds..then finished the video . Great work..
Glad to see Brodix sign in background - had a mother-in-law that worked there.
She has passed on, but really like the people there.
I learn something everytime I watch your videos!!!
I've had similar problems with plugin power tools - usually flexing where it goes through the case. Those are some pretty fancy moves! Add a little style to an otherwise mundane clean up task LOL!
Husqvarna 580 BTS right up there with the echo 9010t. I like the echo more for its power but I used Husqvarna for years and that thing was a workhorse. Extremely reliable.
TY for Sharing
Thanks for the information 👍
Thank you for this important information.
That pin-clip you found in your drive looks like it's from a john deere mower deck . Enjoy your helpful videos.
You and your Family have a great Weekend. GOD BLESS.
I can see why they'd miss it .. time ... like you said in a race.. field test slides .. same with computers .. software.. any race to market. Smart people like you find these types of things. They really should listen.. if they don't they are missing the boat. Might be ego.. but more like the feedback loop to design is broken and your experience never gets where it can be used. well done.. 😀
Great tip thanks
Nice new shop. I plan on doing the same thing on my property soon.
Finally, you take the unit to the shop and it actually demonstrates the problem. 😅
Chickanic, you are Awesome.👏👏
Smarter than the people who manufactured them.👍👍
May I suggest perhaps using high flex wire and heat shrink and some other type of strain relief to make your own wires instead of using the crappy ones it came with? Those blade terminal connectors are cheap. Obviously not if a warranty thing but this looks like something that could be upgraded for less than the $1.99 and $2.99. I bought a Redmax in 2011 and was suspicious of the controls being on the blower outlet and opted for the model with the controls on the left however I am grateful for your videos and I have fixed so much of my stuff from ideas you share. Thank you!
Great Job!!! 13:49
After a ton of research I went with the PB 9010. It is a beast!
Good class thanks
That was a good *CATCH* on YOUR part and ECHO 'should' listen to you. Just think of how many are returned to where they were SOLD and called JUNK - *ECHO - You HEARING ALL THIS* " ? Thank you once again!!!
I was lucky enough to see this the 1st time, Bre!
A carpet cleaning truck that I would use 20 some years ago had a similar issue. It was the newest one they had, yet would randomly shut off and not want to start. they had the mechanic look at it and had it in the garage several times before they realized it had an intermittent break in the wire to the fuel pump.
Shawn Spencer fixed Fixed his Stihl Backpack blower He broke the cord that you started with and he fixed it Watching your channel.
Where you said "squishness," as you rotate the wire for the camera, the wire is showing inside the insulation. It's just a small dot, but enough to likely be the problem.
Bri you're adorable and a real smart cookie! Excellent solution to that wiring issue!😁😁😁😍😍😍
Awesome Video!! I have a 9010 and if I ever have this problem I'll know what it is! Thank You! 👍🏻👍🏻
As always, I enjoy your commentary. You’re a real neat lady all right you have a good day now this is Jeff mungai from Kennerdell Pennsylvania.
Thanks Bree, You're the best! Love you!
AAWWKK. I think my daughter bought one of these a few years ago. I will send this video to her. She probably won't be able to fix it but at least maybe find a place that will fix it reasonably. Thanks for the videos.
I seen this the day you released it.
Enjoyed the video great content as usual.
Husqvarna 580BTS user here. 10+ years, starts on 2nd pull. Full beast mode going on. Yeah it's heavy but it dominates leaves even on wet pavement. It also clears fluffy snow off vehicles when needed. Chafing wires is always an issue with vibrating equipment. They should be sleeved. Or at least jacketed in PTFE. ;-)
I know why dos everyone over look Husqvarna 580. . Its ok we know . What we know.. lol. 😅
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sad message husqvarna just “stopped “ completely, manufactured gas engine lawn equipments , instead goes for batteries , and looking for parts(gas) good luck 😢
OBTW 6 years ago I plucked a PB-770 out of the trash, it had no spark plug, water in the cylinder, frozen and the starter was removed. I filled the cylinder with WD-40, put on a new carburettor and started it with a drill. I still use it every season doing my yard and both my neighbors…. The thing is bulletproof!
Good work
My son has the 9010 so this was a great find! Before the issue happens especially :)
I worked on the adjust floor for CAT wheel tractor scrapers. We would fix issue in units after they came off the line. That department is not there any more because they figured it was better to just let the dealers fix the units when they got them or when the customer figured out something was wrong with it. The guy that trained me always felt like these were brand new units and just like you felt like when you got a new car it should be right when you drive off the lot. That is how he felt these units should be but CAT did not think that way. Guess it was a numbers game. If the problem did not show itself until after the warranty was up the customer paid to fix it
Love your channel . thanks
Great diagnosis and repair. The beginning was sounding like a Binford commercial. Ahh, Ahhh, Ahhh!
I have the hip throttle so eliminates that problem. Love your channel keep up the good work.
At the shop I was working at, we had 2 8010s doing this. We changed the wires and it still had the problem. We called Echo and they told us to replace the short block with the updated 9010. Did that and had no problems. Echo could not explain why the units were dying but the short block was the fix. Both were under warranty and Echo paid both with no problems.