It especially sucks when you've been hoping for a good Wolf typal commander for years... and now that we finally got one, it turns out that he's better with a bunch of elves and almost zero wolves. xD
It sure is a good thing that elves are a type not widely known for making roughly a million mana to drop this 5-cost commander on turn 3 and then keep replaying it every turn no matter how many times the opponent tries to remove it
@@ubillacarlosI mean getting massive card draw with the wolves is great. Especially in green/red/white colors. Those colors don’t have alot of great ways to draw.
@@ubillacarlos you could just make wolves only tovolar if you want a wolf commander. The vard draw is really good for refreshing your hand (though personally don't see why you wouldnt just add werewolves in too with the wolves)
Has power creep gone too far? Yes, some time ago. There can never be a medium speed, resilient creature deck because it gets stomped by Voja and the other OP cards. You can't play Voja in a clever way because why not just have elves and win on the first swing? You could make a wolf deck, but why? And why is it an attack trigger rather than a damage trigger? Voja has trample and ward, make them wait a turn for the insane buffs. When cards are this OP _(and Voja is hardly the most OP thing out there)_ there's very little room for innovation and lots of potentially interesting strategies are invalidated. When the good cards are incredibly good, you can't play medium cards and hope to win on synergy or clever angles of attack.
Yep, I made a Quintorious brawl deck that started out midrange-y then I had to add four board wipes and make it more control because Voja and Poq kept running me over
@@たいやきTaiyaki-q5dand how are you supposed to do that, yeah caverns at thing but that’s just one card in a commander deck, yeah theres tutor but like how many of them or you gonna run?
This deck is pure G A S 🔥🔥🔥 But I do understand the feeling of helplessness against this deck. I just wish there was a real queue you can do for brawl that let's you play with other opponents who have objectivity strong as hell commanders and one queue for the more silly and wonky commanders, you know? Appreciate all you do Luca!!!! 😊
There’s always the 60 card brawl whatever you call it. It’s kind of inevitable that a game mode with access to all the cards is going to get pretty powerful
I know it's an Arena-only card, but Marwyn's Kindred would also be a really strong option here, playing Voja on turn 3, then getting an extra two or three elves out turn four, one of them being another Marwyn! And that's just if you're rushing it out, you could probably get a really nice horde if you got it a bit later!
Considering the fact that this is a game created by an American, it’s safe to assume the words use American English pronunciation. “Voe-ja” is perfectly ok. “Voia” is a Spanish pronunciation of the letter J. Also, the “Voia” you’re hearing is more like “Voya”
It's strong for sure, but it still gets taken out by a two mana removal spell without any problem. Don't even know if it will see play since green is so abysmal right now
Love the vids! Also would you consider The Ozolith in this list? I feel that with your commander and other cards generating so many +1 counters it could shine in this list.
Which Ozolith are we talking about 😅 Either way I wouldn't focus too much on +1/+1 counter synergy, unless the cards involved happen to be Wolves or Elves. Once we get the counters going we get a lot of them at once and the game usually doesn't last much longer, so any +1/+1 counter synergies tend to be win-more effects.
I was referring to the OG@@LegenVD, and after looking closer at the list I can see that the creature synergies do more for Voja than effects like hardened scales, New Ozolith and others.
Nothing personal to anybody, play what you want to play, but damn are these "value" commander boring to see in action. You can simply read the commander and you instantly know how the game is going to progress...
Oh my! Just tried it for myself and got the 15 wins like it was nothing. Also got some insta wins with turn one elfs. Let's see if the deck keep it together in the Hell Queue
Competitive magic players in these comments are so annoying. “Actually it doesn’t enable a one turn kill combo so it’s unplayable in my format” cool we aren’t talking about your format. Most magic players actually like playing with the cards in their deck, and prefer games to last more than 2 turns.
Voja is definitely a total cash grab. TBH, for a 5 cmc creature with built in protection, even if it only put +1/+1 counter for each creature you control and only drawing 1 card when attacking, it's already considered good.
Honestly it would be menageable if not for the stupid ward 3 that has no business being on this card. The amount of times I would be able to kill him in different ways just to be cockblocked by this ward cost is beyond me. I want to have fun testing new commanders for my paper builds not to fight uphill battle vs cancer like this or those stupid landfall decks that an ape could win with
bUt HoW cAn I kiLl It if It HaS WaRd???? (In all seriousness, I can understand the complaint in 1v1 kinda but in actual commander I don't understand. There are so many answers and wraths in all colors that wipe the floor with the poor doggy. Love the video and deck tech your content is always great!)
I play plenty of actual commander and if you're playing against other creature decks it's still extremely strong. Saying something dies to removal or sweepers doesn't weaken the card.
@@davestier6247 it doesn't! You are correct. But also there are multiple people at the table. If no one wants to kill the wolf or keep the elf player in check then you were gonna lose anyways. There are plenty of creatures that die to removal and are banned in commander. Leovold and prime time both die and neither has ward, yet they are both banned. Voja is nowhere close to these.
I'm not opposed to spending resources to kill a key creature but spending all my mana on a card they're just gonna replay next turn without any trouble is really annoying.
I provide a quick summary and a deep-dive, so people can easily skip the deep-dive if they're not interested! There are timestamps in the description and on the video timeline you can use to skip around.
@@LegenVD fair enough. guess I'm just used to get fast into the gritty stuff or have the deep dive at the end after people saw the deck in action. I'm not hating
Glad they made a commander to help out the obscure creature type, elves. They really needed a leg up /s
It especially sucks when you've been hoping for a good Wolf typal commander for years... and now that we finally got one, it turns out that he's better with a bunch of elves and almost zero wolves. xD
It sure is a good thing that elves are a type not widely known for making roughly a million mana to drop this 5-cost commander on turn 3 and then keep replaying it every turn no matter how many times the opponent tries to remove it
@@ubillacarlosI mean getting massive card draw with the wolves is great. Especially in green/red/white colors. Those colors don’t have alot of great ways to draw.
@@ubillacarlos you could just make wolves only tovolar if you want a wolf commander. The vard draw is really good for refreshing your hand (though personally don't see why you wouldnt just add werewolves in too with the wolves)
yup, the elves, not the wolves. XD
I'm the Vannifar opponent! 😂 I knew I'd make the video if I didn't concede too early
I was rooting for you
Thanks for sticking around!
From a 3/3 with no abilities to this thing. Voja is true character development
2/2 on o.g. Tolsimir Wolfblood!
@@FrelanceEQ Right, even better
When the hell queue is full, the busted commanders will walk among us
Has power creep gone too far? Yes, some time ago.
There can never be a medium speed, resilient creature deck because it gets stomped by Voja and the other OP cards. You can't play Voja in a clever way because why not just have elves and win on the first swing? You could make a wolf deck, but why? And why is it an attack trigger rather than a damage trigger? Voja has trample and ward, make them wait a turn for the insane buffs.
When cards are this OP _(and Voja is hardly the most OP thing out there)_ there's very little room for innovation and lots of potentially interesting strategies are invalidated. When the good cards are incredibly good, you can't play medium cards and hope to win on synergy or clever angles of attack.
The gideon deck just running every taxes card is a vibe
Poor Gideon opponent. Just sat around and watch you go off, only to play the gearhulk....then still lose.
Honestly I'm impressed they lasted as long as they did given the staggering number of weird misplays they made
LVD HISTORIC BRAWL RRRRRAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH FINALLY
Playing against Voja is pretty miserable. You need to load up on board wipes.
Just hold up counter spells for voja and you'll be fine 😅
@@Muhd_AkmalJust play blue forehead
Yep, I made a Quintorious brawl deck that started out midrange-y then I had to add four board wipes and make it more control because Voja and Poq kept running me over
@@たいやきTaiyaki-q5dand how are you supposed to do that, yeah caverns at thing but that’s just one card in a commander deck, yeah theres tutor but like how many of them or you gonna run?
@@brighty-go6nn Bro, there are like 5cards which makes spells uncounterable in this deck. You should take a closer look.
It's always Voja, or the elves, or Craterhoof, or the Elves, or Nissa, or the elves!!
This deck is pure G A S 🔥🔥🔥
But I do understand the feeling of helplessness against this deck. I just wish there was a real queue you can do for brawl that let's you play with other opponents who have objectivity strong as hell commanders and one queue for the more silly and wonky commanders, you know?
Appreciate all you do Luca!!!! 😊
Yeah, man I feel you through and through, just with Standart UNRANKED queue.
There’s always the 60 card brawl whatever you call it. It’s kind of inevitable that a game mode with access to all the cards is going to get pretty powerful
I know it's an Arena-only card, but Marwyn's Kindred would also be a really strong option here, playing Voja on turn 3, then getting an extra two or three elves out turn four, one of them being another Marwyn! And that's just if you're rushing it out, you could probably get a really nice horde if you got it a bit later!
Finally, someone else who pronounces Voja as "Voia"! I've been kind of irked every time someone said "Voe jah", now I'm not alone :)
LVD always nails pronunciations. It makes it much easier to watch.
I'm always impressed by Legenvd's pronunciation and enunciation. It is really good, not to mention that English is his second language.
@@Jacobthejewela wait, what's his first??
Considering the fact that this is a game created by an American, it’s safe to assume the words use American English pronunciation. “Voe-ja” is perfectly ok. “Voia” is a Spanish pronunciation of the letter J. Also, the “Voia” you’re hearing is more like “Voya”
@@Say_Tin I'm not sure. I heard him say he's from Belgium one time, so maybe Dutch.
Your vids are always so comfy
Voja is just way to good for casual commander
I just realized voja is Tolsimir’s wolf
Lol, check out the new spoiler for a 4 mana green creature. It is a 6/5 trample with more text.
There's a 2 mana jace now lol
@AkmalGameAtion yeah will be fun to flash him in on oppos turn with Leyline of anticipation
Probably the best non legendary green 4 drop ever printed considering it has flash on top of those stats.
@danielstein8769 yeah, it's not so much power creep now as a power sprint. It isn't sustainable.
It's strong for sure, but it still gets taken out by a two mana removal spell without any problem. Don't even know if it will see play since green is so abysmal right now
Wizards are making sure that this game is as unplayable as possible huh.
Hasboro is killing my childhood one franchise at a time
I sure do love creature decks becoming solitaire. They get to join the spell and combo decks, no one gets left out!
Play another good deck.
Love the vids! Also would you consider The Ozolith in this list? I feel that with your commander and other cards generating so many +1 counters it could shine in this list.
Which Ozolith are we talking about 😅 Either way I wouldn't focus too much on +1/+1 counter synergy, unless the cards involved happen to be Wolves or Elves. Once we get the counters going we get a lot of them at once and the game usually doesn't last much longer, so any +1/+1 counter synergies tend to be win-more effects.
I was referring to the OG@@LegenVD, and after looking closer at the list I can see that the creature synergies do more for Voja than effects like hardened scales, New Ozolith and others.
Every set we get a new commander that I get to auto scoop to
Nothing personal to anybody, play what you want to play, but damn are these "value" commander boring to see in action. You can simply read the commander and you instantly know how the game is going to progress...
@27:48 - That moment I slowly started to realize... LegenVD... is not... infallible? The world doesn't make sense anymore! I want off!
I would love to see you play the Gitrog Monster in brawl i love this deck so much ❤
-68 life, if only you had attacked with Paradise Druid at the beginning of the Vannifar game
Werewolf Bodyguard is especially relevant vs board wipe heavy decks as it can save your own creatures
Good point!
Oh my! Just tried it for myself and got the 15 wins like it was nothing. Also got some insta wins with turn one elfs. Let's see if the deck keep it together in the Hell Queue
I can across this deck a few times. Had to scroll through the whole video to make sure I didn’t miss playing against the Legend himself.
I could see Elder Silverback, being very useful in this deck even if it doesn't match the theme your going for
Yes, Silverback Elder is a great toolbox creature. It is one of the main reasons I picked up the starter decks in paper late last year.
Why do wizards randomly put ward on everything… It won’t even be a fight without boardwipes…
the upcoming Thunder Junction set has a lot of targeting spells
Would "Annie Joins Up" be a good card for this? as well as Jetmir and his garden? (I do know Jetmir is a Cat).
Sure!
answer: yes. Voja's ward is so pushed.
Best video ever❤❤❤
Not that the deck needs it, but having a Questing Beast in there can push damage past The One Ring, if I remember correctly.
Can also use Stomp from Bonecrusher! Eldraine strikes again.
35:59 That IS, indeed, a very slow animation. Like, couldn't they use the normal attack animation??
that wolf elf bs thing is op af xD
Im sorry but 32:06 Gideon's line just cracked me up given the board
wait, you didn't put in utopia sprawl?
A little light on Forests to play on turn one consistently. I like it better in mono or two colored decks.
@@LegenVD i admire your sense of caution. i will continue to disregard it however
This commander is boringly good
Maybe Vivien Reid from M19, for card draw and removal? Would definitely be good against that Gideon deck at least 😅
Ha nice Dogos and Elves awoo and uwu, they sound similar but don't want to confuse them :}, cuteness overload ... .. . :}p
Really gross that they print OP stuff as box toppers 🤢
Why is the decklist link different than the video
Not sure what you mean by that, the link shows the same list for me.
Competitive magic players in these comments are so annoying. “Actually it doesn’t enable a one turn kill combo so it’s unplayable in my format” cool we aren’t talking about your format. Most magic players actually like playing with the cards in their deck, and prefer games to last more than 2 turns.
Voja is somehow extremely busted yet terrible in cEDH
4 player and 2 player is vastly different
Anyone else absolutely fed up with playing against Mythweaver Poq in Brawl? I’ll happily play against Voja than that busted commander.
yeah, basically the only way to deal with this deck is to have board wipes / counters
yes
cool
Voja is definitely a total cash grab.
TBH, for a 5 cmc creature with built in protection, even if it only put +1/+1 counter for each creature you control and only drawing 1 card when attacking, it's already considered good.
this commander is destined for the ban hammer
...or the Hell queue
Built a paper deck around Voja
Don't care if he's broken. Love it.
Anyone else on mobile tryna find full screen button? ...its in the top left you are not crazy youtube is just annoying
Honestly it would be menageable if not for the stupid ward 3 that has no business being on this card. The amount of times I would be able to kill him in different ways just to be cockblocked by this ward cost is beyond me. I want to have fun testing new commanders for my paper builds not to fight uphill battle vs cancer like this or those stupid landfall decks that an ape could win with
bUt HoW cAn I kiLl It if It HaS WaRd????
(In all seriousness, I can understand the complaint in 1v1 kinda but in actual commander I don't understand. There are so many answers and wraths in all colors that wipe the floor with the poor doggy. Love the video and deck tech your content is always great!)
I play plenty of actual commander and if you're playing against other creature decks it's still extremely strong. Saying something dies to removal or sweepers doesn't weaken the card.
@@davestier6247 it doesn't! You are correct. But also there are multiple people at the table. If no one wants to kill the wolf or keep the elf player in check then you were gonna lose anyways.
There are plenty of creatures that die to removal and are banned in commander. Leovold and prime time both die and neither has ward, yet they are both banned. Voja is nowhere close to these.
I'm not opposed to spending resources to kill a key creature but spending all my mana on a card they're just gonna replay next turn without any trouble is really annoying.
Brawl is 1v1. This isn’t commander. Useless comment
@@raymondhorn1052 primeval should have been unbanned years ago lol
Hola
your deck techs are too long
I provide a quick summary and a deep-dive, so people can easily skip the deep-dive if they're not interested!
There are timestamps in the description and on the video timeline you can use to skip around.
@@LegenVD fair enough. guess I'm just used to get fast into the gritty stuff or have the deep dive at the end after people saw the deck in action. I'm not hating
@@coycenlazy
Lmfao bro too lazy to click a time stamp
bro too lazy to skip past the deeper deck tech, but got time to type out a complaint in the comments lmaoo