Ep12. Tech Stocks vs the Rest; AI VC Bubble, Calcium CT Scan | BG2 with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner

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  • @swaggitypigfig8413
    @swaggitypigfig8413 25 днів тому +135

    I like that you guys cover markets and tech more often than all in.

    • @krissn8111
      @krissn8111 25 днів тому +8

      All-in is a versatile podcast. This one is a tech market thermometer. Both of them have them merits.

    • @matt-james-c
      @matt-james-c 25 днів тому +6

      I agree, would love to see Bg2 continue on this path, even if the episodes are released less often. G

    • @saimahsexperience
      @saimahsexperience 24 дні тому +1

      Agreed! Great info!

    • @mastershredder2002
      @mastershredder2002 24 дні тому

      @@krissn8111 All in is a sweater podcast as well.

    • @amitranjan25
      @amitranjan25 23 дні тому +1

      all in is gonna be 50% politics till the US election season is over... maybe beyond that as well.

  • @cyberft
    @cyberft 25 днів тому +26

    Best business pod on the planet. Thanks guys.

  • @brendanreid8241
    @brendanreid8241 25 днів тому +70

    Love this pod, thank you gentlemen for staying in the markets and out of politics 🙏🏼 that’s exactly what I am looking for in a pod.

    • @MindFieldMusic
      @MindFieldMusic 25 днів тому +2

      Same 😁

    • @helLf1nGerTA
      @helLf1nGerTA 24 дні тому +4

      Yeah, this type of conversation used to be all in podcast, this is it now!

  • @jesseharradine9861
    @jesseharradine9861 25 днів тому +19

    The excitement I previously got from seeing the thumbnail of a new all in ep has 100% transferred to this one.
    Keep up the great work 🤘

  • @johnsonlevitt9719
    @johnsonlevitt9719 20 днів тому +119

    Lovely insight mate, different stock sectors are in a bubble. But the question is when, or if this bubble will pop. I'm curious for the safest means to make plus interest regardless of stock market trends?

    • @ericgrinwis1630
      @ericgrinwis1630 19 днів тому +1

      Moving out of the stock market due to fears of a bubble burst could be a wrong move. Instead, look for pockets within sectors that can help you to balance both growth and value or sometimes it's even better you speak to someone more enlightened to understand options best meant for you, I did the same myself, it’s paid off.

    • @markcarey6758
      @markcarey6758 19 днів тому +1

      You can’t put certainty on stocks movements, the market is a zero-sum game (2 sides), Know that you are buying a company to own it.

    • @SaniaMirza-c2d
      @SaniaMirza-c2d 19 днів тому

      my question is which stocks sectors should I consider adding to my fidelity.

    • @ericgrinwis1630
      @ericgrinwis1630 19 днів тому +1

      I've had a good run with energy stocks, right now I'm surfing the Al semiconductors wave into the next few decade. there are some good valuable PE ratio out there, which ain’t overpriced.

    • @johnsonlevitt9719
      @johnsonlevitt9719 19 днів тому

      Hey, appreciate the response. Would you be comfortable sharing more info with similar viewpoints. could really use it.

  • @barbarosozturk
    @barbarosozturk 25 днів тому +10

    Great chart on the PE ratios right before the pullback. Thanks for sharing these insights for free!

  • @abhishekjaiswal9373
    @abhishekjaiswal9373 24 дні тому +7

    The urge to watch the bg2 pod as soon as possible 💪

  • @user-mq6mn6qn1p
    @user-mq6mn6qn1p 15 днів тому +1

    The first half doesnt feel like a conversation between two friends but rather the associate Brad presenting to the MD Bill answering questions like "have you considered that?", "what about this?", "why dont you go first and I'll tell you what I think"

  • @Limitless1717
    @Limitless1717 23 дні тому +3

    Gents, wanted to thank you for steering clear of Politics (like All In, which thanks to Ball Sacks, rams it down our throats each week). Anyway, I appreciate you.

  • @Limitless1717
    @Limitless1717 22 дні тому +2

    Thx for sharing the Calcium CT scan guys. Much appreciated ❤

  • @dudedood12345
    @dudedood12345 25 днів тому +7

    Been looking forward to this..
    Let's go Brad and Bill!

  • @jeffgorchynski
    @jeffgorchynski 25 днів тому +8

    Wow Bubbles has come a long way since the Trailer Park Boys. It's amazing what some good booklearnin' can do.

  • @johnmacri7440
    @johnmacri7440 25 днів тому +8

    Great discussion as always. You guys have a great chemistry together & the content & subject matter is always interesting. Thank you both.

  • @SelfMadeHundredaire
    @SelfMadeHundredaire 18 днів тому

    Thanks to you Brad, I went and got a calcium CT scan. Luckily everything was perfect but it's nice to have peace of mind.

  • @nigamshitij
    @nigamshitij 24 дні тому +5

    Great pod - and good push on both sides of where the compute spend will go.
    My guess is that there will be selective winners on compute - Microsoft, Google, Amazon - and most of the future demand will come from
    a) LLM architecture evolving (by virtue of research driven by current foundational model companies) and improving beyond its current limitations (which will reinforce scaling laws)
    b) use cases like autonomous driving, AlphaFold/AlphaGeometry, etc. which require massive compute, and will drive true compute demand in new areas beyond just LLMs
    (Outside of the 3 big ones, the rest will likely fall into the telco/infrastructure investment category, where most of the value capture will be on the application layer side)

  • @medp5636
    @medp5636 21 день тому

    Glad I found this…these are the two guests I enjoyed the most on All in. Brad’s time filling in there were some of the more informative episodes I’ve watched.

  • @faldiabate4216
    @faldiabate4216 24 дні тому

    Thanks BG2 for your takes on the market and informing all of us. Stay blessed

  • @kachinglok7963
    @kachinglok7963 23 дні тому +1

    Thank you BG2s 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @amarkmanpeters
    @amarkmanpeters 24 дні тому

    Incredibly timely and cogent discussion on Capex v. Return on AI investments. Excellent!

  • @MikeTownsend
    @MikeTownsend 24 дні тому

    this is awesome to hear you both think through the market in such great detail, keep it up!

  • @forcearc
    @forcearc 24 дні тому

    Brad, this is a great pod cast, thanks for all the charts!

  • @RobertvMill
    @RobertvMill 25 днів тому +2

    excellent job guys, thank you

  • @GeorgeNorris888
    @GeorgeNorris888 24 дні тому

    One of the best podcast right now.

  • @tomburkett5259
    @tomburkett5259 21 день тому

    Another great podcast! Thanks for doing these!

  • @aidanmaccarthy4282
    @aidanmaccarthy4282 21 день тому

    The best pod keep it up fellas!

  • @thr1525
    @thr1525 25 днів тому +3

    Thanks. Another interesting conversation… and the Calcium CT scan information is a boon to your listeners.

  • @Josephbasta827
    @Josephbasta827 3 дні тому +40

    I lost over $70k when everything started to tank. Not because I was in an exchange that went belly up. I was just stupid to hold and because that's what everyone said. I'm still responsible. It just taught me to be a better investor now that I understand more of what could go wrong. It took me over two years of being in the market, I'm really grateful I found one source to recover my money, at least $10k profits weekly. Thanks Natalie Strayer..

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      @Rodriguezpaul-9 2 дні тому

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    • @Charlottehornets4
      @Charlottehornets4 2 дні тому

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    • @carolynvo7802
      @carolynvo7802 2 дні тому

      Natalie Strayer has really set the standard for others to follow, we love her here in Canada 🇨🇦 as she has been really helpful and changed lots of life's

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      @Jessecote875 2 дні тому

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    • @Scottweeier846
      @Scottweeier846 2 дні тому

      After I raised up to 125k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states also paid for my son's surgery
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  • @markoneil5279
    @markoneil5279 20 днів тому

    Thanks, gentlemen!

  • @MrAcenit
    @MrAcenit 25 днів тому +1

    Best pod

  • @ryok7041
    @ryok7041 23 дні тому

    Great show as always 🎉❤

  • @rapidsk8
    @rapidsk8 24 дні тому

    great pod!

  • @amdave76
    @amdave76 23 дні тому

    Extremely useful chart thanks for sharing Brad. AMZN and Meta looks like buys.

  • @MinhungShih
    @MinhungShih 24 дні тому +1

    Bill pumping Zillow with the cap!

  • @surgicalcapscom
    @surgicalcapscom 23 дні тому +1

    Double Down on the power of BG2

  • @jolyeagle
    @jolyeagle 24 дні тому

    Thank you
    Great work

  • @stephenpaek9175
    @stephenpaek9175 24 дні тому

    Great podcast

  • @william53
    @william53 24 дні тому

    Thank you for my TechMarkets intelligence analysis!

  • @antonioCsilveira
    @antonioCsilveira 25 днів тому +2

    I appreciate Brad’s push on Calcium CT Scan, but I have to say, it is not trivial to find to Place to do it. I did a lot of searches trying to find it in the Bay Area and you land in terrible websites from Stanford medical or Sutter Health and there are like 10 different types of options. It should just be easier to find a provider and schedule it

  • @KK-pm7ud
    @KK-pm7ud 25 днів тому +3

    I don't see any political comments in the timestamps. Thank you.

    • @brianbook9454
      @brianbook9454 24 дні тому

      If you are interested in politics & business read Reid Hoffman's opinion piece. Those who study History know that Trump would be a disaster for business & our country. Businesses & our country both need the Rule of Law to prosper. The businessmen in Germany thought they could control Hitler, despite Mein Kampf. Businessmen today think they can control Trump, despite Project 2025. Trump is a convicted felon & fraudulent businessman, & can not be trusted.

  • @VictorEmmanuelVillagomez
    @VictorEmmanuelVillagomez 23 дні тому

    Bill is speaking facts!

  • @shirish4024
    @shirish4024 17 днів тому

    Brad is correct, the way LLMs work they will never be more useful in use cases which require high accuracy.

  • @Stuart.McGregor
    @Stuart.McGregor 24 дні тому +1

    Can you gents find the time to do this weekly please?

  • @atishkoul92
    @atishkoul92 20 днів тому

    Insightful

  • @dallin_stagg
    @dallin_stagg 25 днів тому +4

    What a pair of glasses haha

  • @ReasonableHuman1
    @ReasonableHuman1 25 днів тому +4

    Keep going guys

  • @theadventures5564
    @theadventures5564 23 дні тому

    can u share the mclinsey report? could not find it. is it this one: The state of AI in early 2024: Gen AI adoption spikes and starts to generate value?

  • @kjkgood
    @kjkgood 25 днів тому +2

    BGs the calcium story is very old and objective Cardiologists have ben down this road Calcium has limited prognostic value as I understand it over my last 35 years working in med tech so?

  • @taracarlson992
    @taracarlson992 17 днів тому

    Thank you for mentioning The Widowmaker movie. Disturbing facts.

  • @ml2k8
    @ml2k8 24 дні тому +1

    Yes; all betting on building bigger and bigger LLMs …simply because people are afraid of potentially being left behind. But it doesn’t mean they won’t all hit the same wall - won’t scale. Billions to train new AI? Smaller LLMs and multi LLMs could work better.

  • @backpackly
    @backpackly 23 дні тому

    Only 35 but I’ve had high LDL numbers for almost five years. Talked to my doc and got a referral for a CT scan.

    • @John-xn2kw
      @John-xn2kw 21 день тому

      High LDL doesn’t matter, HDL/triglycerides ratio is the important marker

  • @mrallenchuang
    @mrallenchuang 23 дні тому

    What is the east meets west talk they mentioned a couple time?

  • @1daves
    @1daves 25 днів тому +1

    I buy QQQs every month. Relentless bid. Wake me up in a decade.

  • @AJTalbot99
    @AJTalbot99 21 день тому

    The number of times that Klarna case study gets mentioned as the justification for a trillion bucks of capex!

  • @Limitless1717
    @Limitless1717 23 дні тому

    Gents, appreciate the show. That said, you can’t apply traditional market analysis on the Ai revolution. P/E earnings mean nothing in this pursuit. This is the biggest thing literally EVER.

  • @fishhead7511
    @fishhead7511 23 дні тому

    A calcium CT Scan cost $99.00 in South Louisiana and is available in many places.

  • @shrek22
    @shrek22 24 дні тому

    Brad is one of those ppl that is a zero interest rate phenomenon. Never actually done anything but collect fees and watch numbers go up on a chart. ☮️

  • @jacksonmatysik8007
    @jacksonmatysik8007 24 дні тому

    There are also studies suggesting copilots make white-collar workers 30-50% more productive ALREADY. Now, just multiply these productivity gains by the share of white-collar work of GDP (there is your return). Keep in mind the LLMs are also getting better.

  • @AndySchoonover
    @AndySchoonover 20 днів тому

    Calcium CT scans are incredibly cheap. $100-$150. Insurance companies pay $500 -$3000. Once you have insurance pay for it it will go up by 3x - 20x

  • @johannesburgreal441
    @johannesburgreal441 24 дні тому

    quality analysis, thanks. the kind of quality that your friends over at All-In used to do before they got seduced by politics and the attention they're getting from that.

  • @user-py7or7zi5k
    @user-py7or7zi5k 22 дні тому

    Elon once remarked that FSD is a sort of "Baby AGI." To have a truly intelligent level 5 system that can navigate any edge case that a human can, the model has to extract the concepts and goals of driving from video data. Is this possible with neural nets?

  • @dobodob1
    @dobodob1 19 днів тому +1

    Does Brad still own GRAB? He never talks about it.

  • @skomanduri7157
    @skomanduri7157 24 дні тому

    Brad, you have been advocating that every child be funded with $1K at birth by the Government that it grows to a sizable amount by the time the child becomes an adult. You met some members of the Congress if my memory is correct. In my opinion, the calcium CT scan also needs an advocate such as you. Thanks for the selfless good work.

    • @_example
      @_example 21 день тому

      I didn't know he advocated for this. I've been saying this forever. Awesome

  • @thomasjearson3193
    @thomasjearson3193 17 днів тому

    On the AWS: selling storage with a profit was a plan. Nothing to do with ai at the time.

  • @rohitnair9304
    @rohitnair9304 25 днів тому +4

    Bill, thank you for nudging CT scans!

  • @jasonchen-alienroid
    @jasonchen-alienroid 24 дні тому

    LLM diminishing returns... just compare the facebook 70B vs 8B vs chatgpt. Sure there are differences in some cases, but even the 8B is really good enough for general usage.

  • @user-ny2bx8ez1c
    @user-ny2bx8ez1c 24 дні тому

    I wonder if the Vet clinic can get a referral to the Calcium CTC scan?

  • @jasonchen-alienroid
    @jasonchen-alienroid 24 дні тому

    On the GS report, spending for stock price is easier. When I was at Qualcomm Strategy, it's 'easy' to spend billions without use case when the stock price is doing well, when revenue is growing 100% every quarter. At one point, we had hands in every semi products that have $1B revenue/year on the planet. Obviously, not everything worked out. But to have that kind of investments available to tech without business was simple when stock and revenue are growing at very high rate.

    • @spartaleonidas540
      @spartaleonidas540 24 дні тому

      Pieces on the board for the players vs speculators on the side

  • @thomasjearson3193
    @thomasjearson3193 17 днів тому

    Last one. On the current state of ai:
    The most effort in all BlackRock Vanguard DEI guided LLM's are not productive if you want #AI. If you want good results, you have to feed in all the data.

  • @Sge32
    @Sge32 24 дні тому

    CT calcium score is criticized on the basis of not enough randomized experimental data supporting its use.

  • @cyberft
    @cyberft 25 днів тому +1

    Ai investment has prisoner Dilemma dynamics. As long as the scaling hypothesis holds, ai investment will rise to the maximum that corporate balance sheets can sustain. If the scaling hypothesis holds beyond that level, nation states will grab the baton.

    • @cyberft
      @cyberft 24 дні тому

      @Natjkrass do you have an actual argument or proof that this isn’t the case?

    • @theonlycaulfield
      @theonlycaulfield 24 дні тому

      @@cyberft Proof of what? Your first sentence about "prisoner dilemma dynamics" makes little sense and isn't elucidated upon. Your second sentence has no basis on reality. Most non-big tech corporates are just spending the bare minimum on an LLM wrapper. The third sentence is unrealistic. Nations pay defense contractors to do this for them.

    • @cyberft
      @cyberft 24 дні тому

      @@theonlycaulfield oracle, meta, xai, Msft, amzn, googl, even VC firms are all spending billions building gpu super clusters. They aren’t realizing revenue that justifies this. They are trying to get enough compute to continue scaling to potentially achieve AGI and ASI as that is game over for anyone that does not.

  • @nygariottley245
    @nygariottley245 24 дні тому

    This is why i used to tune in to the ALLIN POD. But now they has gone power grab mad.

  • @gabb05
    @gabb05 24 дні тому

    The other 495 are not all down, there are gems like AnF for example. Would be good to get commentary on companies ogher than mag 7

    • @spartaleonidas540
      @spartaleonidas540 24 дні тому

      Anf isn’t in the 500

    • @gabb05
      @gabb05 24 дні тому

      @@spartaleonidas540 true, my point is to get more commentary on more of the stock market...Nasdaq and dow

  • @stephenhunter121
    @stephenhunter121 25 днів тому

    Many aspects of the tax cut are ending in 2025 but the corporate tax will remain at 21% unless Congress changes that rate again.

  • @iansonbob
    @iansonbob 24 дні тому

    Fantastic pod, Brad the glasses gotta go man, let em go, it'll be okay.

  • @mp3michael
    @mp3michael 23 дні тому

    The question to ask with calcium scans is: Do those who take calcium scans live longer? Are there studies that show this?
    P.s. There's no such thing as "bad cholesterol". Why would your body make bad cholesterol? Evolution would stop this. Whenever you hear someone push stations you slide be highly skeptical.
    I did a Scammies episode about this topic:

  • @stevec1996
    @stevec1996 25 днів тому

    ‘21 multiples were driven by 0-1% 10 year treasury yields. That is probably not the right compare unless rates go back there.

    • @KK-pm7ud
      @KK-pm7ud 25 днів тому

      And by fiscal spending estimates and liquidity.

  • @pm-dev
    @pm-dev 25 днів тому +1

    Does Brad like to wear those red glasses when he has a bearish outlook on the markets?

  • @thomasjearson3193
    @thomasjearson3193 17 днів тому

    On scaling on LLM's, why can't current LLM's answer that? Because it isn't about numbers and current LLM's have no predictions for the future...

  • @thomasjearson3193
    @thomasjearson3193 17 днів тому

    On why I commented here, I saw a elon tweet on X and was interested.
    But the red frame gave it away immediately: why would a dude be wearing red frames.
    Either gay or trying to look important. My bet is on the second.
    I wish you well, you guys seem to do just fine.

  • @jinniwrites
    @jinniwrites 12 днів тому

    Hey guys! I am the media manager for a tech UA-camr with over 1 million subs🎉 how do we get him on your podcast. I know you’d have epic conversations 😊

  • @John-xn2kw
    @John-xn2kw 22 дні тому

    High Cholesterol doesn’t cause plaque in the arteries.😊

    • @John-xn2kw
      @John-xn2kw 22 дні тому

      ua-cam.com/video/b_ZB551ftD4/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared

  • @Anakinwaz33
    @Anakinwaz33 22 дні тому

    Interest expense is the fastest-growing part of the budget. I don't see a Trump victory resulting in tax cuts. The budget pressure is just too high.

  • @thomasjearson3193
    @thomasjearson3193 17 днів тому

    On the 100000 H100 bought by elon: define scaling...😂

  • @LiveForTehLulz
    @LiveForTehLulz 21 день тому

    Please keep covering business and tech. There's plenty of politics already if you ever think of venturing into that.

  • @russellmm
    @russellmm 24 дні тому +1

    Just to clarify from today's pod. The Trump corporate tax cuts were permanent. The individual tax cuts end in 2025 (because they used reconciliation).

    • @brianbook9454
      @brianbook9454 24 дні тому

      The rich & powerful (individuals & corporations) must pay their fair share, as taxes are the cost of civilization. In a more just society & economy, ALL Americans can better flouris, according to timeless wisdom.. Income & wealth inequality should be reduced for the common good. Don't trust me, read "Poverty, By America" by Princeton's Matthew Desmond.

  • @paulhill6546
    @paulhill6546 24 дні тому

    Good pod, but man, those glasses are distracting.

  • @steadymobbin.
    @steadymobbin. 25 днів тому +2

    Musk

  • @DegenGammaCom
    @DegenGammaCom 24 дні тому +1

    the openai voice demo was faked.

  • @ardeshirjahanian2697
    @ardeshirjahanian2697 21 день тому

    Ahh yes the same old “inflows” and “cash on the sidelines” myths repeated

  • @mdo5121
    @mdo5121 22 дні тому

    THIS DUDE BILL...thinks that research comes with no cost...I have healthcare stocks which hardly ever go up...wtf is talking about.

  • @politicalcomedy9634
    @politicalcomedy9634 22 дні тому

    Trump 24

  • @mazmazftw
    @mazmazftw 24 дні тому +1

    Can’t respect you with these glasses on