Cabinet Doors - Buy Them or Build Them - What Do the Pros Do?
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- In this week’s episode of Today’s Craftsmen Jeff is joined by Chris of NuDoors and United Finishes to discuss a highly debated topic: Should you buy your cabinet doors or build them?
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I was a bit nervous about this one on subject , but I 100% agree with your assessment. Great job as always.
Thanks! The answer is pretty much always the same, there’s no one right answer!
I did cabinet doors and drawer front with birch and MDF panels. for two kitchens in the same batch. Over sixty pieces. About 2/3 of those pieces had to be redone, so I outsourced them. I wish I had known this was an option years ago. Saved both time and money.
That’s a killer!!!
Amazing video!
Thanks, dude! 👊🏼
Building your own painted doors helps when you make a mistake or change in design ,or have an erratic schedule.
It also takes shop space,employees, and loss of production .
Pre-primed is an enormous time savings.
Coming from using S2 and simply handling material.
Cut to length,rip,joint,rip , stick,cope ,assemble and clamp ,remove from clamps,6 passes through a single wide belt,rip twice,square ends,edge sand,rotex,RO,break edges and profiles by hand.
Probably moved and stacked at least 20X.
3 dedicated shapers.
Tooling shared with faceframe...sliding tablesaw, edge sander,,and wide belt.
Yeah we could never build and prime a door for what we can buy it for. And then our 5 piece door’s paint will probably crack.
I've hired 2 different cabinet shops, both relatively small. One shop bought the doors from a door manufacturer, the other shop built all of the doors themselves.
There’s many ways to do it! That’s for sure.
Thanks to the look guys.
Thanks for watching!
Cool info as always...🤘🤘🤘
Thanks again!
Curios about the cost. Totally agree this makes sense for painted and I could be wrong here, but I think the shaker door trend may be on its way out. I have 2 upcoming kitchens and both clients have stated that isn’t what they want. Thankfully the budget is there for the more custom style they’re looking for on both projects so I’ll be making the doors which makes me happy
They’re about $21 sq ft. What style are your clients looking for?
@@TodaysCraftsmen wow that’s really affordable actually. One is a craftsman style and the other is stained band sawn type, sort of rustic. It’s a bit hard to explain but it should be fun to make. Both are more natural finishes though, I don’t tend to do as much painted stuff
We avoided painted for years but we’re trying to keep up with the trends!
@@TodaysCraftsmen totally understand! I’m just a one man shop so I’m lucky enough to be more picky with some of my projects but I’ve certainly done a number of painted cabinets too
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Wondering if I could get some advice on some wardobe doors I'm going be building. The are 5 feet tall and I typically make them out of 3/4 inch poplar styles and rails with 1/2 inch MDF. In the past I've built taller doors this way that seem to be hard to keep from warping over time. Any recommendations on building these tall wardrobe doors would be so appreciated. I have a sketchup file I can share if you wouldn't mind?
Poplar will work but you run the risk of some bowing. You can try to pick out some quartersawn stock for more stability. You could also make 5 piece doors out of MDF but I haven’t personally tried that.
Another great discussion, Jeff. What does Jon think about this?
Bill
Thanks, Bill. I think Jon see’s the benefits!
Well done guys .I'm planning to build our new kitchen cabinets, we prefer the look of raised panel but worry they will look dated with the more popular shaker style. I wonder what your thoughts are on this? Thanks again, Jake
Tough call! Flat panel never really goes out of style!
It sure is a tough call. We will have to think it over, Thank you, Jake
Anytime!
The only problem I have with the manufactured doors is they are only Shaker doors on one side. I like the same look on both sides of the doors.
I agree, kind of a dead giveaway that it's not "real wood."
Fair enough but 99% of clients don’t know or care. I think the biggest thing is that the door is superior to wood so no reason to hide it.
You’re right. I think the point to make with a client is that these doors are a superior choice to wood despite the longtime stigma of “MDF” doors.
We have been getting 5 piece doors made out of HDF from good old Conastoga lately, so you know how that quality is. Is he making 5 piece doors too or just single piece right now?
Just one piece. 5 piece HDF seems a little silly…
@@TodaysCraftsmenHonestly I like the looks better. I suspect the reason they do it is a cost thing. They are already setup to do 5 panel, replacing hard maple stiles and rails way cheap to build out of HDF.
Makes sense.
"give away the exact product secret". Five days behind, to set up the shaper and router?... One idea would be to have a coping shaper and a sticking shaper, stacking your profiles. Then setup is with a digital height gauge...
That’s certainly one way to do it but not everyone has the shop space or budget to have two dedicated shapers. Like we said in the video: sometimes the best option is to buy doors and sometimes the best option is the build doors.
Comparing these doors to IKEA is unfair. These are custom made to order in the USA with all domestic materials, including the paint. You don’t have to like the doors but don’t unfairly compare them to a conglomerate manufacturer like IKEA. Assuming you have your own shop you should know better…
Who is the manufacturer of the HDF? Or distributer? I use medex duento availability.
You’d have to ask the NuDoors guys! Don’t want to give away any trade secrets! 😜
@@TodaysCraftsmenI sent them an email, haven't heard back.
Not sure they’ll want to say but try Instagram if you’re on there!
@@TodaysCraftsmen I don't want to make doors but I will keep searching. Haven't been impressed with the Medex. Anyone have any recommendations near Dallas TX?
I haven’t tried medex! Good luck!
How much time does it save? Must be huge!
A LOT!
I would like some idea of price for a basic 2.25 shaker upper kitchen cabinet door primed from nudoor. Their website does not provide any idea of pricing without setting up an account for an order.
Roughly $21 per sq ft
Thanks
No problem!
Where do you buy 3/4” hdf?
Any good sheetgood supplier should carry it.
Homf Defo😂
lol doubtful
I get it... but at that point are we just making carcases... I don't like the idea of just assembling parts... like store bought drawers, doors, hardware... I guess you can get a CNC and some cabinet software and you don't even have to think about the carcase.
There’s a time and a place I think. What’s accessible to people is what we need to sell. When we get the projects with good budgets we build it all.
@@TodaysCraftsmen i hear you. Your last two videos have given me a bit to think about. I love cabinetry and furniture making for the craft, but, I also have to compete against nasty imported stuff. Some projects are probably best suited to prefab. The challenge will be figuring out what sort of client I have when they call for a project, I definitely don’t want to end up negotiating to prefab all the time. This is a dilemma for me.
It’s definitely tough. But even something less than 100% built by you is going to be better than something from IKEA. It’s a win-win I think. Client gets something within their budget and better than made by a huge corporation.
If I wanted that sort of door, I would just go to Ikea.
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@@TodaysCraftsmen 😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥
Always the anonymous ones with the most to say 🤷🏼♂️