The New OMAS Ogiva 222
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- A look at the first offering from the relaunched brand Omas...the Ogiva 222. Does it live up to the legend of this historic brand?
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Laser engraving on nibs and other features never cuts it for me. So many brands doing it and foregoing stamped nibs.
I will confess I am in the second group concerning revivals, especially this pen.
The new Omas pens are made in Florence and not in Bologna, where the original factory was located. As far as I know, Omas nibs were made by Bock, not Jowo, but they had a special ebonite feed making machine, which was in the Bock factory. I think they were made to Omas specifications.
The pen seems nice enough as a pen without the Omas name. The laser engraving on the barrel is very sloppy though and it is unclear to me how many original Omas original nibs that will be used. As far as I am aware, Scribo now owns the nib and feed machine of the original Omas company. I am also of the impression that this new company will only produce small runs of limited and expensive pens.
Given the price and what one could get these days from Scribo, including an original Omas nib and feed, this is too expensive, in my view, especially considering how much it skipped towards the end.
The pens are made in the Gioia factory in Naples. You are right better to get a SCRIBO. An OMAS is not an OMAS if it is not made in Bololgna.
@@ironmic9244 hello! I don’t know enough to choose a camp, but from what I see of this pen, I have to agree that it doesn’t seem worth the price. I’ll be interested to see what OMAS does going forward, though.
@@ruthfeiertag Hi Ms. Ruth. It has made me very sad to watch this video because it confirms what I fear what might happen to OMAS. that it will be brought back just to sell. The engravings on this pen is just horrible. Even if this is the only one, still that shows shoddy craftsmanship, something OMAS could never be accused of. At least not the OMAS up to about 2000-05. After that the company was just a shadow of it's former glory. This is not even a shadow. This pen is not made in the same city, let alone the same factory. I don't know if they really have the rights to the name or not because Ancora has the rights. The person behind this was criticized for what he did to Conway stewart, so some are not holding their breaths on this. This is very expensive for such a pen. The only OMAS I'll consider are ones that are being released by Ancora.
The Pen Family had bought the old celluloid stock, and they recently purchased nibs.com who have many new old stock OMAS nibs. So they are putting two and two together and some how getting 3. I am very upset about this. I know I shouldn't but when I like something, I am fiercely loyal. I love my OMAS pens. This pen will perform, but that engraving is killing me.
@@ironmic9244 I don't disagree with anything you've written except "I know I shouldn't but when I like something, I am fiercely loyal." Why shouldn't you? Isn't that the kind of attitude that encourages companies to continue to produce superior products? I have only one Omas, the Shakespeare pen, which I haven't used yet; I trust it will write better than this one.
@@ruthfeiertag I guess because it's a bit trivial. There's a whole lot of stuff going on in the world, to be upset over a pen seems a bit trivial. Oh wow, the OMAS Shakespeare is some pen. When it comes to those types of pens OMAS did it well even if I think it was produced near the end of their demise. That is one stunningly detailed pen. I have no doubt IF you ink it up it will write marvelously. I wouldn't even know if I could ink it up. My OMAS pens are mostly of the daily writers kind. I have the Europa which is a LE and has a diamond in it. I tiny one, but still. I have prototype silver guilloche, and the rest are standard production pens. They are the best pens I have. I have at times considered selling most of my pens, and gobbling up as many OMAS pens as I could. Some of the special celluloids are fetching a pretty penny. I learned a lot about OMAS since I started using them, more than any other pen, perhaps that is why I am so upset.
This may be a "one of", but that is quite a bit of skipping and hard starts for an $800.00 pen, and with Omas Ink no less.
Long time viewer, subscriber, and liker of your videos; first time commenter. To quote you, David, let me begin by saying: "This isn't a real OMAS."
I consider this a sacrilege whose primary intention is to capitalise on a well-known and loved brand. Had they made an homage in which they have improved upon OMAS weak points (such as fragile pistons and inadequate gold/rhodium plating), I would understand. However, from this review and others that I have seen and read, they made it worse. This is not an act of those who genuinely like and use OMAS pens. Beautiful material, but this tendency to cut corners and to manufacture ever larger pens is rather vulgar in my opinion. I personally stay away from pens produced by fashion brands and usually do not comment on other people's aesthetic preferences, nevertheless, I had to vocalise this rebuke.
Not a pen collector here, but a pen user who owns a few genuine OMAS'.
PS: JoWo never produced nibs for OMAS. Bock did produce modern nibs for OMAS (using OMAS machines, as I understand). The early (1930-1950s) OMAS nibs (by far their best nibs) were produced by Rover (made in Bologna).
Flat out, this is a travesty. Sacrilege is a good word. Vulgar is another. Dude you are on point here.
Total BS.
When you can buy a Santini Italia piston filler with in-house gold nib and ebonite feed for $350, why pay $800 for a mediocre replica of a formerly great pen?
Santini is truly an exceptional Italian brand
As an owner of many OMAS pens, this is hard to watch, and I am only half way through. That laser engraving is absolutely atrocious. I have always found OMAS pens as one of the best finished pens that were put out. This is sad indeed. I thought the engraving on the cap band was atrocious, the engraving on the barrel is a nightmare.
I was already in the second camp, because what I knew of this pen before, but thank you Figboot for bringing this pen to video, and confirming my suspicions. This NOT an OMAS PEN!! I hope this is the last one produced. This was very, very sad. It is better to let the name rest, than to bring is back if it will not perform as we know OMAS to perform.
No, it's not. It's a Narwhal with lipstick, poorly applied lipstick at that.
Great review Dave. I’m glad I was able to get my own Omas paragon a few years back. Not a fan of how the pen family has handled the revival brands.
The pen is pretty, with many imperfections for that price tag though. I just looked the pen up and here in Europe (I am from Berlin) they want €1,004.67 in Italy. For the Extra Arco that would be an interesting price but not for this one.
Like always I really like your videos! Thank you very much for the interesting insights! 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing the story of the rebirth of Omas line. I always love hearing such historical details.
It's not a rebirth; it's a sham.
Great review as always. First time I see a pen skipping like that in your channel since a long time. And its $800...
That arco always excites my eyeballs when you show it.
What a beautiful pen.
Out of the pens you've introduced me to I'm not sure if I like it, or the Nakaya dorsal fin better.
I have this pen. It would not fit your review in all ways at all. I think the relaunch is complimentary to the brand. Aesthetically, it is beautifully manufactured, sanded perfectly, and the appointments are outstanding. Frankly, I was astonished at how well it is made. Maybe the new Omas saw your review and changed the engraving on the barrel, because it is literally invisible on my pen. Of course, I used a loupe and I can read it using the loupe. My pen is a Broad nib. Yes, the nib has good flow (wet) without being a hose. Very smooth writing. I consider the pen to be one of the elegant pens in my collection. Naturally, not all relaunches are successful...I get it. However, I am a little surprised by the cynical comments. Imo, IF the quality of pens to come from the new Omas are as good as the 222 I have , people will enjoy them.
Thanks for the review - it's great to see what the new Omas offers.
Unfortunately with inconsistency in the laser engraving, and the skipping in your sample... not convinced it deserves that price.... or name.
Nice review, very informative; it's not a brand I followed and which I expected ever to be able to experience given my max budget per pen, but I thought it was a shame it went under; it speaks very poorly of LVMH that they didn't know what to do with such a strong brand with such depth of design. That Ogiva Cocktail Blue look stunning.
I'm with you -- excited and cautiously optimistic about Omas's return. I have one Arco celluloid (green) and a Paragon but I'm most reminded of the "one that got away". I actually had a 360 in my hand at the DC Supershow, oh, in the mid-90s or so and was so tempted but ended up spending my pen budget on other pens. I still kick myself for passing on that!
I'm sorry to hear that that you passed on it. It is hands down the most comfortable pen I've ever used. It is also the only pen model I have more than one of because it is just that fantastic. I am so upset with I what I just saw.
The cap posts onto the piston knob!? Such a noob mistake 🤦
Yous reviews are the best, because you go to the functional aspect! Thank!!@😊 I liked you noticed the cap can't be posted!!😮 I would like a review on Montblanc Geometry Solitaire!!!!🎉
Wow. Thank you for this video, as watching it will save me from wasting my money on a sad reincarnation of a great pen. That engraving is just sad.
Why would anyone want to buy this pen instead of an original Omas or a modern Scribo, which is basically Omas?
So much skipping on the nib, sloppy laser engraving, not particularly attractive. I don't know, it feels more like a money grabber to me.
Thanks for the background info on OMAS !!!! Have been trying to get an Omas in B or BB width for the longest time !!!!
So wait…
We have Armando Simoni Club. And we have Leonardo Officina Italiana. And now we have the rebooted OMAS.
I’d love someone to explain all this. Weren’t they all created with bits of OMAS in some way?
I'll try. It's a complicated weave.
While almost all Italian pens have been influenced or inspired by OMAS in some way, Leonardo comes out of the Delta family. Delta (great pen maker by the way) had 3 co-founders. After the demise of Delta, one went onto create Maiora, bought Nettuno 1911 (or revived it), and has secured the rights and revived Delta. The son of another co-founder went onto create Leonardo. You can see how the shape of the Momento Zero looks similar to the Paragon without the facets, and the rollerball clip was introduced by OMAS.
Now OMAS. I initially thought ASC was connected to OMAS. After all, the name of the founder is in both company names. Sometime in the 2000s LVMH bought OMAS. By 2007 LVMH sold a majority stake. In 2015, LVMH sold off their remaining stake in OMAS, and by 2016 OMAS ceased operations and went into liquidation.
ASC bought the OMAS celluloid stock
SCRIBO, former employees of OMAS bought the nib machines
Ancora at some point bought the brand
Fountain pen users bought the grief.
Hope that helps.
@@ironmic9244 That’s a great help! Thank you!!
Great video and very interesting news. Thank you
I've watched the video and I've read the comments... I think i'll be purchasing a Scribo instead!
Hearing that Narwhal is behind this revamp is already a red flag for me. I've vowed never to purchase a pen from them after each one I bought has had significant issues. Granted I own up to when I mistakenly damage a pen, but sadly their customer service has regretted each time i've made a purchase that has gone wrong. I dare say they seem to mirror that the pen has problems, which in hindsight is not reassuring!
In your other videos, you've had better experiences with the Narwhal brand... I wish I had the same experience. I specifically write with fountain pens to avoid finding problems and to easy my anxiety, so it's unfortunate when I am upset about a pen. Sort of like when you purchased that Indian pen from the DC show last year.
I'm also not sure if this is also the same company behind Bexley's revival, but the issue you had mirrored the ones I had with their "Miami Sunset" pen. Even the laser engraving is similar. However the pen's cap bands falling off! I want to sell it to someone but I feel embarrassed if the person wouldn't like it while also too proud to give a 14k gold nib away for free! Some revivials i've been optimistic about. I like how Nino Marino is handling Delta as higher end pens to Maiora where there's a distinction between the two brands while keeping true to the things the Delta folks love about those pens
Anyways... love the videos as always!
Own one. I’ve been thru 10 shops in Italy looking for an Omas I liked and could afford. Nothing. I bought this pen when it came out . The color takes some getting used to because it’s so traditional/old fashioned. The writing experience is fantastic . Very comparable to my other high end pens. Really smooth. I have no regrets. No issues. No skips, no hard starts. Smooth.
This pen is just a shell of very beautiful OMAS celluoid, forcibly resurrected into a Zombie-"OMAS". What once was OMAS is gone, dispersed and thus cannot be revived. This is disturbance of the peace of the dead. (Yeah, I’m firmly in the second camp.)
BS. This is a great pen.
I am surprised that Nahvalur is involved with the resurrection of this brand. For the first pen to be released, though, I would have hoped that it would be a better example with all the mistakes removed from the pen. That it is not a prototype is a shame.
I do have a 360 and a Milord in my collection. Both are ballpoints. I couldn't afford the fountain pen. Unfortunately, I wouldn't go for this model. One can hope that the next release will be better.
Thank you for the review, David.
Great review! I'm surprised that Narwhal would buy and try to launch a luxury brand like Omas. I bought the Peter Pen Narwhal and ended up giving it away because I really wasn't impressed with it. I'm not sure if their other pens are better.
I used to love Omas pens, even the over-the-top silver/enamel/gold pens - the owners also used to put much thought and effort into the packaging indicative that they felt that they were making a quality product; however, in regards to the reincarnated Omas, the sloppy engraving and the monotone nib bespeaks of the desire to sell high while cutting corners as much as possible to increase their profit margins. Not something you want to do when re-introducing a luxury brand. One wonders what other skimping has been done!
Good video My friend!
Andres
Fantastic pen! That said, I would go for the Paragon instead.
Interesting review, but that's a disappointing pen for the price.
I think it’s pretty unanimous that the pen family is not the flavour of the month 😅
congratulations for the content... a hug from Brazil.
Almost 900US for crappy laser engraving?! The devil is in the details, and if they can't get something that simple right (I used to engrave knives--it ain't hard) how can we trust anything else is well executed?
The involvement of the Navulahr (sp) folks also gives me serious pause.
I agree. OMAS and Narwhal makes no sense. The detail of all of my OMAS pens were tight. This looked like one of those ground radar maps. I am so disappointed, but even more very angry.
Nice fountain pen, however, the engraving puts me off, it makes the pen look cheap when it isn't.
Super nice and informative video, like always.
I reed all the comments after see the video. One question: Why so much hate to "The Pen Family"?
Well, the "real" OMAS will not return, and we must see what level of "original" you want to have for said this pen is a "real OMAS". You have original material, NOS nibs but a little different design and is made in Naples, not in Bologna. What will happen when they will make new pens with a new material and new nibs and the only OMAS there will be the design and shape, is not a OMAS anymore? Because Parker, Sheaffer, Cross, Esterbrook are not using the "original nibs, materials and made in the original town" and even change several times owners and nationality, but nobody complain about it because they show with time that they can do a good job. Give time to the "new OMAS" for show what they can do. Greetings
Excited to see Omas back in the game ... I'll definitely buy one of their future models ... but this one's a hard pass.
It's not a real OMAS.
@@ironmic9244 I literally couldn't give any fewer shits. I own several 'real' Omases; I'll own several of these; you're welcome to think that they're fake (or to oddly capitalise/shout 'OMAS'); I'm welcome to not care what you think.
(Didn't mean to be rude; I've just seen this tiresome argument numerous times in the watch world with Moser, Lange, etc. Those two brands, in particular, in their modern re-incarnations are among the most-interesting watch brands currently in existence.)
@@halfsourlizard9319 Well anyone who questions the authenticity of the revival of Lange, I would protest too. But Lange still continues it traditions of quality and craftsmanship. I also find it assuring that Lange is being made of out Glashutte.
This on the other hand is being made out of Naples and not Bologna. Second, look at the engraving done on the cap band and the barrel. Mr. Simone would be spinning in his grave. This seems more like a cash grab rather than a true revival of OMAS. Furthermore, Ancora is not producing OMAS pens yet, so I really have no idea what is going on with this pen. Manny doesn't have the best reputation these days, and so the questions about this pen I feel is valid. OMAS is not some brand that should be toyed with. As far as I know the owners of Ancora is saying be attentive to all the OMAS talk out there. And I write it OMAS because that is the way it is written on the pen. Since it is an acronym after all.
I understand your frustrations. I don't particularly take to the way to replied, but you also made a point to mention afterwards you weren't intending to be rude.
While I haven't been update with the watch world recently, I do love Lange and Moser watches, some of the most beautiful out there. I personally think Lange makes the best watches.
I LOVE your videos and reviews, even though you’ve broken my wallet a few times 😂.
Ogiva (ogive) also means torpedo or warhead, which is the shape of the pen.
Thanks for watching!
For 880 usd I’d put that money into a nakaya, or pen 18111.
The material is nice but the work on it is sloppy. I have a couple of Omas from it's previous incarnation and I see no reason to acquire this one. I hope they tighten up on fit and finish and make something outstanding. They haven't done it for me this time.
I have no history or attachment to the OMAS brand, but they really shouldn't have used so much laser engraving on this pen. It's easily the worst part of it, it makes it look very cheap. I usually love celluloid but I'm not a fan of the blue-brown-white pattern used here and especially not the very rough engravings. It does not look at home on a pen that retails for such a high price; the cap band looks like it belongs on a $20 Chinese workhorse pen (though I would argue it looks worse here than on pens that unpretentious) rather than a $900 limited run that's supposed to launch a brand revival.
Exciting news indeed, though sad to say it is beyond my reach.
‘A little bit of a skip there… ‘ this was one brutal skip for a 800 dollar pen …
Interesting for sure. The pen looks very nice, but the engraving isn't great. I'm sure they will do a better job next time 😊
No excuse to abuse the material on a VERY expensive pen with crap engraving. They should have gotten it right the FIRST time.
@@jacobus57 I agree, in the video they put out they made such a big deal of it being an OMAS celluloid. OMAS had one of the best finishing. This was heartbreaking to see.
@@jacobus57 I agree. But I'm all for second chances. 😊
You are annoyingly evenhanded. "A few small details that I think I could be improved upon." No. The pen is absolute crap and an insult to (in my opinion) one of the greatest pen companies. There is so little aesthetic sense in the design, it is a bit wrenching to see it next to the real thing. Astounding. I wanted the brand to come back, but at this point, I just wish any attempt to revive it would go away for good. Scribo is enough. Unfortunately, almost no companies today seem remotely capable of understanding what made the great vintage pens great (because yes, even the real modern OMASes couldn't compare to an Extra Lucens or 55x/F), and replicating it.
A Scribo is better in every single way except for the hideous Scribo nib stamping, in my opinion.
Such a shame. I will never understand the need to scar, remove precious material and ground out trenches, to put a name into a rare resin. Why not just add the alphabet, pi taken out to 1000 places, all the names of every animal on earth and a few bad jokes...
This alone, keeps me from buying this pen.