The fact they're still around is nothing short of an absolute miracle. My hope is they'll go to Elkhart Indiana to the NYC museum there and they'll be put back into that sweet lightning stripe paint job.
Hi. The scene of the Sharks being switched into the Harnischfeger plant at Escanaba is mine, somebody pirated it to Trainorders without permission or credit. I have no problem with your using it, I just wanted to set the record straight. Thanks.
I'm so sorry about that! Thank you for letting me know! Had I known before, I would have asked for permission and put a lower 3rd in the video. I will post credit for you for this clip in the videos description. Thank You for your understanding!
Thank you for the history lesson!! Always wondered what happened to them. I got a ride in the cab of the 1205 one day on the D&H when they were on the Slate Picker local freight. I rather doubt they ever will run again, but it sure would be nice!!! Thank you for sharing this video with us!!!
Excellent video as always, Peter. I've always liked the look of the Shark Nose. These need to be reproduced in N scale again. Hard to find and when you do they aren't cheap, lol.
With I believe about 14 in their collection, SMS lines are definitely top dogs when it comes to Baldwin diesels. Those guys sure know what they're doing.
I hate to say this but, as the builder plates and some operating manuals were taken, I am guessing it was not just hoodlums. It was either railfans, who knew what they wanted, or someone who steals and then sells things to railfans, who knows what they like. If it was just parts, it could have been people looking to make money selling scrap metal.
Was railfans, well known for years here in MI. They use to let people visit the shops and that's when they vanished. That's also why ELS became anti railfan since.
You mean the Fairbanks Morse Erie Built Locomotives? They looked a bit like the PAs and had the opposed piston prime Movers (Fairbanks Morse). The Baldwin RF16 had other ones, if i remember correct.
HAD BALDWIN USED GENERAL ELECTRIC , INSTEAD OF WESTINGHOUSE FOR THE CONTROL AND TRACTION CIRCUITS AND COMPONENTS, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AN BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL! KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!! 👍👍
Hopefully, one day, those Sharks can be restored. Also, if possible, the Alco & Baldwin locomotive companies should be revived and made to be new competition in the Locomotive market.
Baldwin Locomotives was founded in Philadelphia and built locomotives and associated equipment in Philadeĺphia before moving the company and manufacturing faciities to Eddystone after many years.
I wonder how hard it would be to repower these locomotives with something else that was reliable. There's got to be a smaller, but more powerful engine that would fit.
Not sure where you got any of the Michigan Northern information but it is incorrect in some respects. The two RS3's - ex SOU 2027, SOU 161 - cost $30K for both, delivered on 30Mar1976 to the C&O interchange in Reed City, MI - just before the Penn Central estate leased the former GR&I to the State of Michigan who hired MN as the designated operator from Comstock Park, MI (Grand Rapids) to Mackinaw City, MI (actually just short of Mac City since Detroit and Mackinaw purchase the yard from PC Estate and threw a derail on the GR&I outside of town). Never any talk and buying RS-1s or anything else you mention that I am aware of - but I do not claim to have perfect info and maybe you are plugged into good sources. I worked with Wade Plummer (and his predecessor). MN leased GBW RS2 302 in early 1977 and later purchased RS2 numbered MIGN 1501 from GBW. Later in 1977 MIGN acquired two ex CNW Huron Alcos from the Land Barge operation - one of which was former Litchfield and Madison and the last RS3 ever produced. The Sharks showed up in early 1978 I think, along with some Chrome Crank Shaft lease units - former ATSF Alco S4 and a former SP RS11. MN approach to locomotives was get the least expensive power available that can pull freight (I am not a locomotive guy - my 24 year railroad career was in Marketing at two Class I's). After that, the GP's began arriving and the Alcos hit the dead line one by one. I have a number board from 2037 in my closet as I worked the unit often and learned how to run a locomotive on her. I am personal friends with MN founders since 1975 when MN was nothing but "a rail transportation concept" using the slogan at the time, that had no railroad but issued press releases as if it did - and other MN senior management who I remain in touch with and also have just over 900 images I took of the operation. I worked for MN for about a year and half from founding until the lumber tariff flag out which caused the boom in bridge traffic when I moved on. If you wish, I could put you in touch with these people to give you better info and share some of my photos with you for a future revision to this video. I had the chance to run the sharks a very short time in yard service when I visited after leaving MN. My reaction was "meh".
In the form post Mr. Huff dose note the GMO RS-1's as being a first choice. This makes sense considering the bad rep of the 244 rs-3 and the fact that the 539 powered RS-1 stayed in production till the 1960's. Although, he dose state that the post was based on his memory of an event that took place 30+years. All that said, i would definitely be interested in the pics of the shark noses if you would be willing to share them with me.
What's worse is that alco didn't even need to make the pony trucks. GST was contracted to produce them, and alco had already paid for them to be produced. All alco had to do was place the locomotives on these trucks. Thanks for watching!
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The Shark nose Baldwin locomotives are very unique and they looked fantastic in the Delaware and Hudson era.
Hear me out here... D&H cab unit paint is just AT&SF paint with a different loco and color scheme.
I like your videos… informative and entertaining!!
The fact they're still around is nothing short of an absolute miracle. My hope is they'll go to Elkhart Indiana to the NYC museum there and they'll be put back into that sweet lightning stripe paint job.
Hi. The scene of the Sharks being switched into the Harnischfeger plant at Escanaba is mine, somebody pirated it to Trainorders without permission or credit. I have no problem with your using it, I just wanted to set the record straight. Thanks.
I'm so sorry about that! Thank you for letting me know! Had I known before, I would have asked for permission and put a lower 3rd in the video. I will post credit for you for this clip in the videos description.
Thank You for your understanding!
@@alcobufff no worries. Great video, well researched and edited.
@@fmnut Thanks!
Outstanding video.......have always loved these units in the D&H livery. I hope (when the time comes) that they are restored to these colors.
Thank you for the history lesson!! Always wondered what happened to them. I got a ride in the cab of the 1205 one day on the D&H when they were on the Slate Picker local freight. I rather doubt they ever will run again, but it sure would be nice!!! Thank you for sharing this video with us!!!
If you have info from ALEX HUFF, you can believe it. The man has forgotten more about RR's than most rail people or execs today know.
Excellent video sir
Amazing video. Love the longer formal documentary style videos like these.
Another great video! Please do more! 😊
Great as always.
Loved the video!! Sounds like shark noses were decent locos
Excellent video as always, Peter. I've always liked the look of the Shark Nose. These need to be reproduced in N scale again. Hard to find and when you do they aren't cheap, lol.
NOTHING is cheap in any scale anymore...
Great documentary
The sharks should go to SMS lines, there the only people that knows how to operate and maintain Baldwin diesels.
With I believe about 14 in their collection, SMS lines are definitely top dogs when it comes to Baldwin diesels. Those guys sure know what they're doing.
I hate to say this but, as the builder plates and some operating manuals were taken, I am guessing it was not just hoodlums. It was either railfans, who knew what they wanted, or someone who steals and then sells things to railfans, who knows what they like. If it was just parts, it could have been people looking to make money selling scrap metal.
Was railfans, well known for years here in MI. They use to let people visit the shops and that's when they vanished. That's also why ELS became anti railfan since.
Can't remember were these units built with the opposed piston prime movers? These and the PA's were some sharp looking units! Good Video.
You mean the Fairbanks Morse Erie Built Locomotives? They looked a bit like the PAs and had the opposed piston prime Movers (Fairbanks Morse). The Baldwin RF16 had other ones, if i remember correct.
@@MorpheusMFBaldwins had the straight 8 cyl., turbocharged diesel.
HAD BALDWIN USED GENERAL ELECTRIC , INSTEAD OF WESTINGHOUSE FOR THE CONTROL AND TRACTION CIRCUITS AND COMPONENTS, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AN BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL!
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!
👍👍
I was told the D&H intended to install 251's.
so popular belief the builder plates were stolen on the ELS, they were stolen off on the Michigan northern
Thought the owner took them and stashed them away so they couldn't be stolen
Hopefully, one day, those Sharks can be restored.
Also, if possible, the Alco & Baldwin locomotive companies should be revived and made to be new competition in the Locomotive market.
Baldwin Locomotives was founded in Philadelphia and built locomotives and associated equipment in Philadeĺphia before moving the company and manufacturing faciities to Eddystone after many years.
I wonder how hard it would be to repower these locomotives with something else that was reliable. There's got to be a smaller, but more powerful engine that would fit.
Where u been hiding .ALCO DIESEL BOY?? can u do some reviews on some locos!! U the man!!
Not sure where you got any of the Michigan Northern information but it is incorrect in some respects. The two RS3's - ex SOU 2027, SOU 161 - cost $30K for both, delivered on 30Mar1976 to the C&O interchange in Reed City, MI - just before the Penn Central estate leased the former GR&I to the State of Michigan who hired MN as the designated operator from Comstock Park, MI (Grand Rapids) to Mackinaw City, MI (actually just short of Mac City since Detroit and Mackinaw purchase the yard from PC Estate and threw a derail on the GR&I outside of town). Never any talk and buying RS-1s or anything else you mention that I am aware of - but I do not claim to have perfect info and maybe you are plugged into good sources. I worked with Wade Plummer (and his predecessor). MN leased GBW RS2 302 in early 1977 and later purchased RS2 numbered MIGN 1501 from GBW. Later in 1977 MIGN acquired two ex CNW Huron Alcos from the Land Barge operation - one of which was former Litchfield and Madison and the last RS3 ever produced. The Sharks showed up in early 1978 I think, along with some Chrome Crank Shaft lease units - former ATSF Alco S4 and a former SP RS11. MN approach to locomotives was get the least expensive power available that can pull freight (I am not a locomotive guy - my 24 year railroad career was in Marketing at two Class I's). After that, the GP's began arriving and the Alcos hit the dead line one by one. I have a number board from 2037 in my closet as I worked the unit often and learned how to run a locomotive on her. I am personal friends with MN founders since 1975 when MN was nothing but "a rail transportation concept" using the slogan at the time, that had no railroad but issued press releases as if it did - and other MN senior management who I remain in touch with and also have just over 900 images I took of the operation. I worked for MN for about a year and half from founding until the lumber tariff flag out which caused the boom in bridge traffic when I moved on. If you wish, I could put you in touch with these people to give you better info and share some of my photos with you for a future revision to this video. I had the chance to run the sharks a very short time in yard service when I visited after leaving MN. My reaction was "meh".
In the form post Mr. Huff dose note the GMO RS-1's as being a first choice. This makes sense considering the bad rep of the 244 rs-3 and the fact that the 539 powered RS-1 stayed in production till the 1960's. Although, he dose state that the post was based on his memory of an event that took place 30+years. All that said, i would definitely be interested in the pics of the shark noses if you would be willing to share them with me.
It's a shame about the Sharknose. It is an attractive engine. Too bad their performance did not live up to their looks.
I dont know whats dumber , thinking diesels are a fad or not wanting to make pony trucks
What's worse is that alco didn't even need to make the pony trucks. GST was contracted to produce them, and alco had already paid for them to be produced. All alco had to do was place the locomotives on these trucks.
Thanks for watching!
What an annoying narration. Presentation gets a 0 because of it and some misinformation as well. Photography is good.
At least it is an understandable human generated narration, not one of those crappy computer generated voice tracks.