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I sold off my D850 thinking it was time to move to mirrorless. I got a fujifilm x100V.....I just sold it off today, and Im going to back to my Glorious D850. The epitome of DSLR tech, and a beautiful image maker.
Ahh, the D850 is truly the king of all DSLRs! Moving to mirrorless is like moving from a rangefinder to a large format camera - not in terms of usability - but in terms of difference in handling. These camera types are just so different. If you like DSLRs, you'll never get the same experience out of a mirrorless camera.
When I got my first DSLR in 2016 I fooled myself into thinking I'd rather want a brand new camera than an old second hand one so I bought myself a brand new D3400. Around four years later I upgraded to a decade old D700 and loved it. And as you said lots of people are moving to mirrorless and there are incredible deals to find for DSLRs. Just last week I came across a mint D500 with just 9000 clicks. I can hardly believe people are willing to part with these amazing pieces of equipment, but it's good news for us! I can't see myself switching to mirrorless since I feel like I'm losing a connection between myself and the subject when I'm looking through an electronic viewfinder. Nothing beats an optical viewfinder in my opinion.
Thank you for sharing your experiences! I am also surprised day in and day out seeing all these amazing deals on the used market. I mean, the D500 is still the one of the most capable pro oriented sub-35mm cameras. It is a beast that will easily last 10 years of normal use. I myself also fell in the "buy new" trap not only once. And yes, the D700 is a very special camera 📸 its price on the used market increased lately! Thanks again for taking the time to comment!
As a non digital shooter, I'd love to understand why you would choose to keep and use several different bodies, especially some that would be considered outdated? Cheers
Well, it is really like shooting film to a certain degree. Some of these cameras have unique traits and color reproduction that make them worthwhile shooting. Also, while there are newer digital cameras than the D850, it is still one of the best stills cameras available, surpassing newer models in certain aspects. It is really very comparable to film photography, sometimes the small file size, special color rep. and handling are just awesome to get the job done
@@ThomasEisl.Photography that's really cool, so the d3 must have some good qualities to keep it interesting. I'm thinking of getting into digital more and the d700 is definitely on my list of possibilities. The pentax k1 and k3 seem like good options too. Cheers
After discovering your videos in last one week and checking most of them, I have become so confident of your content and of honesty (& humility) embedded in it that I put like at the time of starting the video itself.. This medium has become very noisy. You are a welcome breather .. my regards 🙂
Thank you very much for this exceptionally kind comment - I'm super happy that you like what I publish and therefore: a warm welcome to the channel, I hope I'll be able to deliver in the future as well!
Another great video, keep em coming! Such a great way you've articulated the argument about analog... the experience, pure pleasure, reliability, etc.... well said man. I have been trying to hammer that point home for a long time now on my blog, but I do think many photographers already get it. Camera companies are really missing out on a big piece of pie abandoning DSLR's. DSLR's forever!
I want to add too, on size and handling... I often state from a working professional's perspective, that it's much more enjoyable to shoot with bigger and heavier cameras when you are using bigger and heavier lenses. Balance is key to comfort, and when you are running around an event, shooting action, whatever, a balanced camera and lens combination is best for fatigue and comfort. Also, the larger grips and optical finders place less hand and eye fatigue on the photographer. Not too many people are talking about how we are in screen overload all day long as humans, and I've seen you address this point too. Blue screen fatigue is real, it's both a physical thing, and a pleasure thing. I want a break from screens, I want to see through glass. I want to concentrate on my subjects, not be distracted by the fact that a screen is either too bright or too dim on my eye. This is one major reason I shoot with DSLRs most of the time (yes I have mirrorless too). I think this topic is worthy of discussion on a separate video. :) Would be nice to see a panel of pros like ourselves get together on a youtube video and discuss this issue!
I also have a mirrorless setup, just like you. There is a place for both systems in my camera bags. However, I am totally on board with what you said - DSLRs forever! I feel DSLRs are where film was after the digital revolution, with the exception that DSLRs have no real downside compared to mirrorless cameras, especially for stills photographers. Once every photographer has bought a mirrorless camera, the big companies will realize that they forgot about the DSLR photographers who were not willing to switch. There will be manufacturers capitalizing on this potential, I am quite sure. Also, such a manufacturer could also offer an analog SLR with many shared components for the ever growing community of film photographers. Nikon almost had it with the F6, it was a mistake to discontinue it. Look at Leica, they got it right - no need to jump on every "hype train". Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Send me a link to your site, please. I'd love to check it out!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Then Pentax will be laughing and Doomsday photo journos will eat their copy! As a newbie I'd love to find a street portable full frame that I can use my Nikkor glass with. Looks like Nikon will be doing this for the Z mount with a range/ view finder . No F mount ...
I came into photography as the mirrorless craze was starting, so I spent the first few years shooting with the mindset that I was working toward upgrading to a mirrorless system. I tried several different mirrorless cameras and they all felt lackluster for reasons I couldn’t put my finger on. Then I picked up my old dslr and realized that there’s some tactile experience that I was missing across every mirrorless camera I tried. Sure, mirrorless cameras have their place, but the idea that technical specs and the latest technology is the sole reason to shoot any one camera or system just doesn’t make quite so much sense to me anymore. And while I don’t necessarily feel the “connection” people refer to when using an optical viewfinder rather than an EVF, I’ve come to feel there is magic in framing a shot in the OVF then seeing the rendered image on the screen. In brief, I don’t think it’s just nostalgia for me. The idea of high photography, for me, is intrinsically linked to the experience of using a dslr.
Thank you so much for sharing that, I totally hear you! Isn't it incredible that DSLRs aren't really behind in sensor tech? The D850 sensor outperforms the Z9 sensor. Mirrorless has very special "needs" because of the constant read out and more, that are actually detrimental to IQ. Well anyways, both are awesome, but DSLRs are just for photography. I agree, nothing says high end shooting like a mirror and a real "live View" image!
The D7000 is a great recommendation. As an amateur, a Nikon D7100 body for £280 was cheaper than my old D50, D40 and D5000 when bought many years ago. I’ve found everything I’ve ever wanted in the D7100, great video and thanks.
Just sold all my Fuji mirrorless and went back to Nikon DSLRs. The lens deals available right now are simply too good to pass up. Mint pro zooms for 60-70% less than what they sold for new 2 years ago. Amazing primes for at least 50% off. Way too good to be true. Picked up a mint D700 and paired with some AIS lenses, it's a dream come true.
I know I know - it is just amazing but I'm sure it won't last. More and more people are catching on to that and realize the potential of what was formerly considered "obsolote" gear. Thanks for sharing, great to hear this story. Have fun with your amazing kit!
It's good to see someone being more honest about the real world advantages of using a DSLR. When you make a living from holding a camera in your hands all day like I do these differences become more obvious. Thanks for sharing I just wish camera manufacturers would listen.
Thank you very much for your comment! The "problem" is that most cameras are not sold to people who do not work each and every day with their cameras. However, they deserve the best tool possible as well and the marketing spin regarding mirrorless (especially full frame mirrorless) makes people sell their perfectly fine DSLRs for something that they might not even like at all or that might not offer any improvement over what they have. Regarding manufacturers - I think Pentax is listening. I am still not a 100% sure whether Nikon got the memo, but I hope so as they have the biggest lineup and longest legacy at the moment. Which camera do you shoot with right now?
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Yes as you say camera manufacturers are more interested in sales then producing proficient tools for the most part. Currently for my professional work I shoot with a set of Nikon D750's and one D810. I also still enjoy using film so I have an embarrassingly large collection of film cameras. When I travel I use a Fujixpro2 with some of the smaller F/2 lenses because it's nice and small.
Thank you so much for your informative videos. They are clearly presented and offer what I consider to be great advice. Coincidentally, I’m an amateur photographer with a Nikon 850 and an Olympus OMD EM-1 Mk2 which I use as my travel camera. I use the 850 for wildlife, portraits and landscapes. This has proved an excellent combination as you showed in your video. I totally agree about the analogue viewfinder - nothing quite feels like it. And I just love both cameras, now that I know how to use them. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing, I absolutely agree with you. Nowadays many people say that DSLRs are dead, but of course we can take the benefit, coz now DSLRs cameras and lenses are more affordable. I personally use D750 and D800e. They are superb. Greetings from Indonesia..🙏🙏
Thank you for the encouragement and for subscribing! I'm happy to see many DSLR-fans around the world. This camera type is just awesome, and deserves positive attention for sure!
@@Deuce33 When they are not produced you can say they are dead. Not sure who is gonna service them in the future either, it will probably cost more than buying a new one.
As always, wise words; thanks! When I was a practicing doctor (I'm retired), representatives from drug manufacturers would meet with my group. They would tell us about the latest and greatest meds. They never lied, but they emphasized the positives of a new med while de-emphasizing any negatives. For instance, they wouldn't mention that a new medication might cost 10 times more than an older one. I saw the same tactic from camera influencers who always talked about the latest camera's minor improvements as major accomplishments. Some influencers (a couple comes to mind) would change from one brand to another, sometimes several times a year. I know no professional photographer who changes their camera system several times a year, and it was clear that these UA-camrs were more about camera sales than working the craft. Just about any mid-level or above the camera from 2010 (or newer) is capable of taking professional (and beautiful) shots. In the past I would buy newer cameras with the hope that they would make me a better photographer. They did not; taking a lot of photos and gaining familiarity with my camera's controls did.
Thank you very much for sharing that, Mike - wise words, that goes for your comment as well! I agree - it is not about the latest and greatest. A big problem is that there is a huge crowd of photographers who are only interested in "what is new - what is hot". This really incentives content creators like you and me to talk only about the latest and greatest. It is worrisome on many levels - a camera review after only two weeks of owning a camera is at best a lucky strike, at worst just biased nonsense. I think, just like you, that it is a disservice to the community to do that. Thanks again!
Thanks for sharing that - I agree, handling a DSLR is different to handling a MILC in so many ways, and it is a difference that can be enjoyed! Thank you for your comment!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography There's also a certain satisfaction in giving the middle finger to the whole marketing & brain-washing campaign that's asking you to dump your good existing photography capital and buy brand new capital at very high prices. 🤣
Absolutely! Actually, the whole marketing around MILCs is absolutely annoying. I love how they lable the Z9 as "unstoppable" - my d800s were never stopped by anything or anyone. It is just cringe, and in general hollow phrases. It is not until recently that AF performance of MILCs is catching up to DSLRs (generalization, but you know what I mean). The waste of money and ressources aspect is another important aspect, as you've mentioned!
Thanks for sharing your experience with great comments...Yes I love my DSLRS as I still have & use my old D70s even though I also have a D7100 & recently purchased a D500...I purchase mostly second hand gear as I am only a hobbyist... cheers from Australia 😀
To be honest, all those cameras are perfectly capable of achieving great results. And the D500 is arguably one of the best if not still the best fast Action APSC camera. Many wedding photographers I know use it, and it is also great for Studio work! Thank you for the comment, Robert!
I’m a competent hobbyist/amateur who enjoys birds, wildlife, and landscapes. I got by for years with low end Nikon cameras and glass. Not long ago I had the chance to purchase a used D500 at a very affordable price. (Less than 900 US in great condition) I then was able to purchase some great older glass at very affordable prices. Now I’m very happy with my upgrades and what’s in my bag. I’ve never owned a high end mirrorless camera and doubt I ever will. Nothing against them, but I know very little about them. Like I said, I’m merely an old amateur who hopes he can become proficient with what he has. I know I’ll never be as good at photography as the equipment I have, but I don’t do it for a living, either. Very informative video.
The D500 is a high-end professional camera that is more than capable of getting every photography job done - thanks to the excellent AF coverage and AF performance, it will never let you down in any sensible scenario. Excellent choice! Thank you for sharing your experiences and taking the time to comment - now is the best time to shoot DSLRs, there is no doubt about it!
I finally upgraded last year from a Nikon D70 to the Nikon D500 . It is an amazing camera for wildlife. This DSLR works just fine for me. I did pick up a fujifilm x100v mainly because of its size , it’s one that I can have with me all the time. Now I have the best of both worlds 📸
That sounds awesome! D500 - legendary camera for the next 10-15 years to come. It is a beast. And hey, the X100V is the perfect companion for everything else. Thanks for sharing, long live the DSLR (and Fuji of course)
Thank you very much! Yes, I agree - and it is the best value for money. In upcoming videos, I'll share my take on the OM System OM-1 - it was quite interesting to compare it to my D800 setup.
I bought one about a year ago and it’s a great camera to use. Also purchased a good second hand f2.8 15-55mm zoom for it which is excellent. Super quality at an affordable price.
LOVE THIS VIDEO! I've been shooting with a Nikon D750 and Nikon D7200 for several years, and I see where the mirrorless market is exploding! However, I have great results with them, although the bodies have a bit of wear and tear: I'm looking for a backup DSLR and the D780 and 850 are getting my attention! Again, thanks fior this tutorial HG from Chicago
Many thanks for the kind feedback - the D780 and the D850 are two excellent, future proof choices! DSLRs are definitely relevant in 2023. Best wishes from Vienna!
Just found this video on my search for the Nikon D7000. First I have watched your video from the beginning till the end and I must say I do agree on all your points. Just recently, lets say 6 months ago, I sold all my Nikon gear from the Nikon D90 upt to Nikon D7200. I switched over to M43 and bought the Panasonic G9. Considering size and weight it is more portable againgst the DSLR set I have used. So 6 months further I miss the DSLR feeling, handling, the work around the problems shootings and so on. With the mirrorless Panny G9 there is no problems at all and in some way I miss the Nikon. And as of speaking I bought a second hand the Nikon D80, and yes this body is from 2006 with the iconic CCD sensor, just for 50 euros. And it gives me so much joy that I forget that I have a mirrorless system. Now im looking for the Nikon D7000....
Hey Thomas great commentary. As a hobbyist I switched from FF to MFT six years ago and have not had any regrets. I carry a very small messenger bag EM1 mk ii with 2 Pro F4.0 zooms 12-40 and 40-150 and a 50mm prime. I am happy. Cheers from still snowy -15 Celsius southern Georgian Bay Ontario Canada
Great Setup Neil! To be honest, I am not shooting DSLRs because they provide better image quality, I just really like a mirror from time to time. My OM-1 MFT kit currently gets the most use for paid jobs. The weather is quite something, good to that you have a weather sealed kit hehe All the best and thanks for sharing!
Upgraded last year, from a second hand D3200 to a second hand D850 that had a shutter count of 113k, works great, only marks are where the strap rubbed the body. for me the extra that the new mirrorless offer, are not going to be used for landscape photography, but if you want better focus tracking for fast action, then go mirrorless
Thank you very much sharing your experiences! The D850 is a great choice! Btw, you would not believe how good DSLRs actually are when it comes to AF compared to even the best mirrorless cameras. The reason is the wider phase detection measuring base, which is a huge advantage that is not well known or discussed.
I have 3 dslrs: d7100 d610 and d800. The d7100 I want to sell with it's dx lenses, though it's value is not with much on the market. 2 are enough for me. I have 1 bridge camera a fz100 and 3 compact 1 Sony rx100 and 2 lumix zs100. The experience with shooting with a dslr is unrivalled. Though it may not be good as video or for sport or nature where fps really matter, the hold and feel of the same camera throw a you into the world of photography. It's hard to explain but it just makes the experience more precious.
I completely agree! Regarding the sports - I think this is definitely true for "slower" DSRLs like our D800, but the D3-6, those are fast enough. More might be nice, but I doubt whether you will really get better keeper rates. Many thanks for the great contribution!
Thank you for the great video. Being a Canon shooter, I use old golden DSLRs like 5D Classic, 5D Mark II, 1D Mark IV and 7D. All bought used. I'm purely a hobbyist and use the FF cameras for landscape and street photography purposes while, the latter two for wildlife photography. All of them have tons of shutter life left. I use native lenses and always shoot happily. Thanks again.
Thank you very much for the exceptionally kind comment - I very much appreciate it. Also, thank you for sharing your camera setup. I have very little experience with Canon cameras, but every time I picked one up, I loved the results and handling. DSLRs are incredibly value for money and I would not bother changing, especially if you are shooting stills most of the time. Thanks again!
Well stated Thomas! I couldn't agree more. I am a professional for over 30 years, used every format brand and type of camera from micro 4/3rds to 11x14 DearDorff view camera. They all have a purpose and are all great tools. DSLR is the way to go right now, prices are dirt cheap for high quality gear. I just purchased a Nikon D300s with a shutter count of only 4500, it came with an MB10 grip and a 35mm DX G lens, the price was a mere $150 Canadian that's about 105 Euros!!! I remember buying my D300s new back in 2008 for $1800 Canadian about 1250 Euros. Even today it is a great camera, the image quality is amazing for today!
Thank you for sharing that, Gregory! We both think very much alike. And as you've said, the D300s is still amazing. I want to focus my channel on truly understanding the technical capabilities of cameras and making use of them. One will soon find out that not much is needed if you know what you are doing. Also, technology has not evolved so much that cameras like the D300 are irrelevant today. Thanks for the kind feedback!
Definitely a best choice for me. It’s going to last long and we can get top-end gear for cheap. Moreover, I don’t like to put my eyes on yet another screen, I much prefer an optical viewfinder. A part of the magic is here in my opinion: getting something different between what you see in the camera and the result you get. When DSLR gear is obsolete, mirrorless gear would have been much better and it would be less painful to upgrade.
Thank you very much for the comment - I cannot agree more! I am also not quite sure about the "upgrade" - it feels more like getting something different than getting something truly better. Thank you, Jean-Christophe! Which camera do you currently use?
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I use a Nikon D500 for wildlife and, as I put my words into actions, I purchased a D780 just a few days ago for the rest of my photography... :D I am very happy with it so far. On the lens side, I mostly enjoy the entire SLII collection of Voigtlander (20, 28, 40, 58, 90). Keep up the great work, I enjoy your videos a lot! Thank you!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Thanks! I forgot to mention that I got the D780 practically new, about 1000 shots, for 1400€. The kind of true bargain that you mention in the video. 😁
You are absolutely spot on with your comments. I have been a Nikon shooter since the 70s with a long row of professional and high end film and digital gear over time and for the last four years I am also a micro 4/3 user with Olympus PenF and Lumix bodies and lenses. I am very happy to own the best of both worlds, depending on the specific job and situation. The DSLR viewfinder is in many cases still my preferred choice, and the PenF with small primes is my "poor-mans" Leica. All your video are excellent and founded in your professional knowhow and experience.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, experiences and personal camera history - we share the same perspective. The Pen F is a great stills oriented M43 body - love to work with mine as well. However, as you've said, there is nothing like an optical viewfinder. Thank you very much for your kind words, I am humbled and very much appreciate your comment, Carl! Thanks!
Great video . Just bought a D800 with 5500 clicks on it . Paid $550 seem far with the low shutter count . Needed a back up to my D750. Hope it ws a right choice .
In my humble opinion, it is the perfect choice - you get more resolution and a true imaging powerhouse (for a great price in your case). You won't regret that - enjoy your D800 📸 Thanks for your nice comment!
Before watching your video I bought a Neon D850. I don't want to stare at a screen anymore than I have to and I want to see it in real time. I am a pro from the film age and I see no need for the mirrorless, more money, less battery life and now I hear about overheating and noise. I'm happy with a DSLR and have been for years. The D850 gives me everything I ever wanted in a camera!!! Thank for the Video!!
Thanks for sharing that Thomas! I think that the D850 is a very good investment - it is one of the best stills cameras on the market and delivers in every way. DSLRs are far from "dead". Thank you for the comment!
I started my wedding photography business with full frame mirrorless and I’ve used the main 3 brands. I’m in 2024 looking to buy a dslr to make my photography more fun. I see so many good deals on eBay and Facebook marketplace. I think many people will regret selling their old gear.
I use several systems. I've also found I need twice as many batteries on mirrorless. But the real trade-off is the viewfinder. I considered the Nikon d800, but got a Sony a7R instead. I also use Canon 5d mark ii, still a capable and reliable camera. At a shoot-out with a Fujifilm x-e2, I shifted to a Canon AE-1 program, and the difference from the evf on the x-e2 to the excellent viewfinder in the AE-1 Program made me stop shooting Fujifilm.
Thank you for sharing your experiences! I think all systems have their unique advantages and downsides. Having an optical viewfinder can be a wonderful experience - especially when this is combined with a pro grade DSLR body. And yes, the 5D II is still absolutely fantastic today!
Yes! Mirrorless cameras are like taking video comstantly. Theyre smaller and have smaller batteries and borh those lead to horrible battery life. My DSLR's, I can simply never turn off. I can look through the finder and compose, and decide not to meter or focus and it won't take any battery, it's off. Plus nothing beats the eye's dynamic range. DSLR's have such time behind them that right now, you can buy professional built magnesium alloy cameras with weather sealed bodies for a few hundred bucks.
Could not agree more! I will always have a DSLR in my arsenal - the photographic experience is just unique, in our screen age that is just so refreshing. Many thanks for your input, very much appreciated! 📸
Hey Thomas! I watched a couple of your videos and I tend to like them. Initially I did not even know why, but I realized that I like that you take the time to slowly and accurately put your point accross, regardless of the rushing fashion of the moment. Joining your fan club, I have sold all my Nikon gears a couple of years ago and converted to Sony mirrorless, which I like a lot, but I still use my D850 along with a couple of excellent Tamron SP primes as well as super compact and very high IQ Voigtlander MF glass. I guess I still like to believe that a remarkable shot is partially my achievement, as oppose to the ever improving gear's AI which may produce breathtaking image, but leaving hardly any contribution to the photographer beyond positioning the camera and pushing the exposure button. And I got to admit you are right, my D850 + MF prime is lighter and smaller, than my A7R4 + AF (GM) prime. I do love both worlds, however the with the D850 I feel much more of a creator of photos, than a just a consumer who invested into a highly capable MILC.
Hey there! Well, I am also not against mirrorless cameras, and as you stated: it is perfectly reasonable to have a mirrorless and DSLR kit - in fact, I have both as well. Both camera types have their merits and depending on the mood and task, one can pick and choose. Thanks for sharing your insights, also the fact that the Sony kit is actually a bit heavier in the stated configuration. I very much appreciate your kind coment and your encouraging words - I hope that you'll my future videos as much as the previous ones. Thanks again!
I did purchase a new Canon 90D in March of 2023. And I love it. I now use my 80D as a second camera to the 90D. It’s very convenient since both cameras are so similar in most aspects.
Going digital with a Pentax K-7 in 2009 rekindled my love of photography which I had come close to losing towards the waning film days. Since then, I've also shot a K-3, and, beginning this year, the remarkable K-3 Mark III. Over the years, I have assembled a capable and versatile kit of Pentax lenses and meaningful accessories. Honestly, what more could I want from my camera system? I'm an amateur and get to decide for myself what I want to shoot. And guess what, I pick what gives me joy and results and doesn't require me to sell my kidneys. The sheer feel of the camera and controls, the view through that OVF, and the rich sound of the mechanical shutter and mirror make me want to take that beast outside and take photos.
Like most of the pre-digital generation, I started with 35mm film and moved to DSLR and sold all my old film cameras except for the Nikon FM2n (my sentimental favourite film camera). Moved onto Mirrorless with a Fujifilm X-Pro2 and a few prime lenses which I still enjoy immensely but reduced battery life sure is noticable. Mind you, a couple of charged up spares is more than enough to keep me shooting for a few days at my usage rate. Here and now in 2023 I find myself gravitating back to film and the DSLRs, re-discovering the experiences which now have a nostalgic status in their own rights. With a bit of patience and an attentive eye, bargains sure are out there.
Thank you for sharing that, Roy! I've transitioned straight from film to mirrorless, with only a short period of using the E-1. Every camera type has its unique properties which facilitates different shooting styles. Thanks for sharing your story, and I'm glad that you rediscovered your love for DSLRs and film. You will like my next video 😉 it will be about the dynamic range of film and digital.
Interesting to see your comment. I'm a film user whose primary 35mm camera is an FM2. I started to consider buying a digital camera recently, but am turned off by the prices and the fact that there seems to be no direct digital replacement for the FM2. Every modern Nikon digital camera that I have looked at either won't meter with my manual focus F-mount lenses (not the end of the world, but certainly inconvenient) or else is very expensive and has too many features that I will never use. At this point, I have pretty much concluded that I am better off sticking with film-only photography, as I am happy with the process and results that I get, I'm not in a hurry, and I can buy lots of film for the $2500 that a D850 would cost. Plus, I trust film more for long-term archival storage.
I have 2 cameras A D700 and a D4 the both take great pictures and are totally satisfying to use,I use both af and manual lenses and experiment with metering modes to get some suprising results
I've shot dozens of cameras over the years - film, DSLR and latterly mirrorless. Of all of them, my undoubted favourite is my Nikon D700. I shoot it primarily with a micro Nikkor 105mm f2.8G and the images are as good as any. The lens is the best I've ever used - any focal length, any manufacturer. In my opinion it's unrivalled :-)
Thank you very much for sharing that! I have not tried the 105 you mentioned, but I'm a huge fan of the 105/1.4E and the 105 f2 DC. Thanks for the tip!
An alternative is micro-4/3 (MFT). It too is inexpensive, the bodies can be small. Most importantly, the smaller sensor means dramatically smaller lenses relative to FF. This is especially the case if you're shooting primarily at the telephoto end of things. I carry a Panasonic GX-85 with the 20mm f1.7 often. It's a great rangefinder-like combo for cityscape, street and documentary type photography - truly small, unobtrusive and unassuming. If I were to buy new, I'd look at the follow on, the GX-9.
Absolutely - I also shoot MFT for exactly the same reason (mostly the OM-1) - this system is really more compact than DSLRs and I love the video performance as well. The GX-85 is really a great camera, and the combo you mentioned is very tempting indeed! Thanks for the comment Robert!
I shoot with various Fujifilm X-T series, but I also have a GX80/85 for when I want to travel light. The 12-32mm and 40-150 lenses are tiny and feather light, despite producing excellent IQ.
Fantastic perspective. Just bought two used Nikon DSLRs in near new condition - the D850 and the last flagship, the D6. Absolutely blown away by performance and image quality.
Go even older if you want great output. D700 is the gold star, that thing produces the best files out of camera I've ever seen. Beyond that the D300 is a great professional body, and if you do any B&W get the D200. The D200 is the epitome of ccd technology which was specifically designed to replace the film look. I'd say the d7100 is part of the new age of digital cameras in which "grain" was replaced with "noise". If you can eliminate noise by shooting at sufficiently low iso then the image is excellent, once noise starts showing up the image is trash.
Thanks for sharing that! I agree, the D700, D300 and D200 are great, so are the Fuji S Series. Thanks for sharing and stay tuned for this year's DSLR video 📸
FF DSLRs were amazing drool worthy pieces of kit 10 years ago and they still are today. I use a Nikon AFD 80-200 and 105 micro, along with other F mount lenses, replacing it all would cost thousands. I'm sure the new lenses would be sharper but I'm a big fan of cheap lenses that are "good enough". I'm noticing a lot of lenses I was lusting over 5 years ago are now cheap second hand. I'm going to get a D780 when my current camera conks out.
Completely agree with everything you wrote, thanks for the contribution! The D780 is definitely a great model, thought about getting one myself at some point.
I have a D500 with no plans to migrate to mirrorless. One issue to factor in with DSLR’s is what spares the manufacturer will keep in stock going forward.
Excellent camera, one of the best ever made. Maybe in the long run DSLR shooters have to get a Pentax - and that is not a bad thing, as the K3-III is a beast.
Definitely a great idea - the Df is a great camera. I've owned one for some time and loved it for its retro feel combined with one of the greatest imaging sensors of all time!
Great video I have been able to afford some lenses now that everyone is moving to mirror less. I enjoy the analog feel of the dslr and love the battery life.
Cannot agree more, I love DSLRs exactly for the same reasons. I'm also shooting with a mirrorless kit, but the handling of DSLRs is just unique. In my next video, I'll compare my DSLR-Kit to my Mirrorless Kit, some interesting findings I'd say. Thank you very much for the comment!
A couple days ago I just bought a new Nikon D850 at the new price $2,496 . Shooting it with my old Nikon manual focus glass and the images are stunning.
Great purchase! The D850 is still one of the best stills cameras on the market, if not the best. In the long run, I will get one as well. Congratulations, the D850 is a legend!
Got my nikon D850 used for $1000. When I saw the advertisement, didn't need that long to convince me. Just a few hours honestly. Very happy. Got a nikon z50 for family outings. As a hobbyist, I'm truly blessed.
Bang on about the DF! Got it to learn on and it's been fantastic! I just have to get to grips with A, S and P mode. The 3 analogue controls are just great for a newbie! Available glass is plentiful, but prices for fast primes whether D or G are a commitment! Still, you get €5k worth of equipment for €1.5k. It's still a big budget for an amateur but I think you can get down to €1k for full frame and less for APSC or M4/3.
Nikon DSLRs truly have something special about them. I wanted a CCD DSLR for skin tones so got a d200, then tried a d300 and my mirrorless camera is barely getting used now. I'm strongly contemplating selling up for a full frame DSLR. they have also nailed tactile control without taking your eyes away from the viewfinder
Mirrorless is for sure the future but Mirrorless is also way overhyped. I have both systems and love them both. But my main landscape camera is still my trusted D850. In terms of a small camera system I would recommend the Z50 with the kit lens. I use it has a travel camera and as a general walk around camera. Highly recommended!
Thank you very much for comment - I agree, most cameras will be mirrorless in the future. I assume that Pentax will remain as a boutique manufacturer of DSLRs and hopefully Nikon as well. I've tried the Z50 (borrowed it) and I also really liked it! Thanks for sharing that!
The D850 is fantastic. I was disappointed when Nikon discontinued the D500 then stopped its DSLRS and f mount lens production. DSLRS were made better, more reliable, and didn’t have so many quirks as the new mirrorless cameras.
DSLRs are definitely the best value for money. This is also because everybody knows manufacturers (except Pentax) will not produce it anymore, so demand for DSLR is decreasing. As wildlife photographer I found the mirrorless camera more optimized for this type of photography : huge fps, electronic shutter, subject detection, excelent IS, PRO capture...etc I still have a DSLR but never used it in the last 2-3 years.
Thanks for the comment Toni! I agree, mirrorless cameras have come a long way and specialized cameras like OM / OM-D system cameras are so good for wildlife, a DSLR cannot keep up. I myself appreciate DSLRs for portraiture, studio photography and other people related stuff - I like to go back and forth between those systems. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I am totally with you on this one!
Wow great video!! thanks for your explanation! I have the AFD 35, AIS 50 and AFD 85 for my F3, F4, F5. Was thinking of getting a DSLR to use them too. How long do you think it will take for the D6 to get to 1000USD?
Thank you for your kind comment - great selection of lenses you have, perfect for your future DSLR (s). I think it will take very long, most likely more than 5 years. I would rather get a D4 or D5, which would make more sense if you want to get the most for as little money as possible. Do not disregard the D600/610 if you can live with some limitations regarding auto focus.
Excellent review to open people eyes and brain. Both systems are working with different characteristics . It is relevant to notice that mirrorless lenses are much more expensive than DSLRs and heavier.😊
I bought a Canon M3 not so long ago, mainly to see what all the fuss is about mirrorless cameras, as I didn't want a large/pricey one just yet. Have to admit, the quality is great, it's a cute compact device with enough features for general photographers to use and by using an EOS adapter can use every Canon EF/EF-S lens, making it extremely flexible. I have to admit though, I cringe every time I remove the lens because of the sensor having no shutter to protect it from dust. It makes me wonder if mirrorless cameras require higher "air blower" maintenance versus DSLRs given the lack of shutters. I find that a bit of a flaw in the system since dust spots can harm image quality.
Thank you for your comment! I also like smaller sensor Mirrorless cameras for their compactness. My experience with OMDS / Olympus cameras is that the exposed sensor is not an issue because of the outstanding sensor cleaning. Nonetheless, I am with you: it feels wrong that the sensor is exposed. I am very careful with the airblower, as you might add dust. Definitely be super duper careful with canned air. I would actually advise against using that on a sensor. On my website Ive got an article about canned air just if you are interested. In any case, I don't know how good canons sensor cleaning is, so yes, dust might be an issue (had that with the Z7II from time to time). Thanks again for your comment!
I sold my D4, D850 and D500 in 2021 to get z7 and z6ii. Last year I upgraded my z7 to z9. While I love the IBIS and EVF mirrorless offers along with the z glass sharpness, I bought back a D5 this year as I love the big rugged body feel as well as the rendering of the retro film like look from DSLR. I also use all my 1.4 F mount primes and I prefer that on my D5 than the z glass. I am shooting portraits with my D5 while shooting wildlife with my z9. I love best of the both world.
I recently purchased a Canon 40d and an EF 24 f2.8 for about $150. Having more fun than with my EM-5. I plan on getting a 5d and a 5d mkII soon. The bodies and lenses are so cheap now I almost can’t help getting GAS. I was looking at a Nikon d200 today and I think I have to have one. The CCD sensor seems like it could put out some really cool images. I’m about to go down a deep rabbit hole of vintage DSLR’s and glass.
Haha! I feel you - I know exactly how it is - go for it, GAS can be affordable as well. The 5D ii seems to be the new "best bargain" - they are everywhere and cost next to nothing for what they are!
Greetings from Calcutta, India. Your advice reminds me of the romantic journeys on a chugging and clickety clock steam trains when I was a child compared with silent and smoorh electricity hauled trains I ride now. It's just an analogy. I own Nikon D850 and have no plans to part with it.
Hey there and greetings from Vienna! I'd argue that the DSLR already offers a refined user experience, although the reflex mirror is a "legacy" technology. Your D850 represents the peak of this technology up to now, it is such a great camera!
Yeah, being able to continue with the past experience is enjoyable, just as I had experienced with my first DSLR back in 2000 after 20 years shooting with an SLR as an enthusiast. But now the rapid advancement of technology demands people to adapt changes at a much fast pace than from SLR to DSLR. Thus we may have to factor in the learning and budget to carry on for the years ahead and it is better to change at a controlled pace than going 'cold turkey' that may be during a busy period for the pros. Of course, some may not wish to be the beta testers, but still need to update their mindsets in relation to the pace of progress as well. Otherwise, we may wake up one day and find ourselves a generation behind, just I had seen some very experienced & top-notch photographers trying very hard but awkwardly, to fit into the world of videographers. There are always pros and cons between taking a calculated risk vs. working in one's comfort zone. Just as some Nikonians will miss out the low introductory price of the Z9 (hence the increase number of pre-orders than the D3) if they don't get one now. Of course, it is only my opinions and generalizing.
Thank you very much for your comment! I think the difference between SLR to DSLR compared to DSLR to Mirrorless is that there is no real improvement workflow wise. There is a handling difference and a price difference, though. I myself worked professionally with mirrorless first, and then decided to learn how to shoot with DSLRs, so I took the opposite route. I am totally supporting your line of argument in regards to that every photographer today has to move with technology and know what is going on.
Fuck videography. Still photography is what lasts. I buy photo books as treasured possesions of moments frozen in time. Video is temporary diversion. I don't collect videos. They mean nothing to me.
The price of a good used full frame nowadays are just insane, you can get the Nikon D600 or D700 for $400 ish, really a great time to be alive to learn photography. I bought all of my gears used, so I won't take a huge hit by the time I decide to sell them
Thanks for that remark as well! I totally agree, when you are ok with using DSLRs, you can get incredible gear for next to nothing! It truly is an awesome time to be a photographer!
Did not know that! And let's be honest, for the price, it's always a good purchase. I've never had a camera fail because of too many clicks. I assume that most cameras are much more durable than the manufacturers admit them to be
My favorite film cameras are from the early '70s specifically 1971(Canon F1 and the Nikon F2). That was the golden age of SLRs. My favorite Digital cameras are the Nikons from 2006-2008 (The Nikon D3, D700, and D300). Digitals golden age..when digital cameras were built to last and had image quality that was as film like as digital would ever be.
Thank you for this wonderful statement - it is both inspiring and insightful. You are very right about what you said - I would add the Fuji S5 to the golden age, as it is also a very special, Nikon-based camera!
Great video Thomas. I am not happy at all with camera manufacturers phasing out the DSLR. I’ve had SLRs and DSLRs for decades and have no interest in Mirrorless cameras. I currently use a Canon 80D and wish to move up to a 90D. But I feel I must move fast to get a new one or wait a bit and look at the second hand market. Decisions, decisions.
Yes, I agree. I'm seriously considering Pentax (esp. K-3 / K-1) for that reason. They are committed and their cameras are fantastic. In your situation, I would not hesitate to upgrade, the 90D is a capable camera and well worth the money. Don't force yourself to "go mirrorless", just because the manufacturers try to "upsell" you. Cheers!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I just bought a second hand (but practically unused) 90D for quite a reasonable price. I have both a full-frame kit and an APS-C. I love shooting APS-C for all of those situations where I need a light kit with a huge range of focal lenghts that I can haul around all day without getting tired. A 90D plus 2 or three tiny APS-C lenses weighs next to nothing! Not to mention that the Canon APS-C lens selection is excellent!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Thomas thanks for the reply. I got my new 90D on March 18. I’ve only been out with it twice, I am very pleased with the images.
I found your comments about older DSLR bodies being still useful. I have a Rebel T3i body that is now my second camera. It dates back to 2013. I use it with my 10-18mm zoom lens. Produces really nice images.
I often compare shooting a mirrorless or a phone with a DSLR as shooting a 22 compared to a 12G shot gun. It's the weigth, the ergonomics and you can feel the mirror and the shutter.
I upgraded my camera from a Nikon D40 to a Nikon D500 since it takes the same lenses. I also bought a Canon M50 Mark II so I could have a camera that would fit in the saddle bag of my Motorcycle easier than my big Nikon. I am very happy with both so far. I still have my D40 just because it delivers such amazing colors because of the type of sensor that in it.
All three are very cool and capable cameras! The D500 will for sure become a legend as the highest end APS-C DSLR Nikon ever made. A professional tool capable of everything. Also, I really like the M50 and also the fact that you have kept the D40. A classic!
From watching most You Tube channels you would think every photographer shoots mirrorless and they have the very latest model of course. But when I'm out shooting in the fall amongst in the real world I seldom see mirrorless cameras. What I generally see are photographers mainly using Nikon and Canon DSLRs. Myself, I bought my D810 in 2015, it cost me $3,000 which was far more than I ever imagined paying for a camera. But it has been worth it as it is still my main camera 8 1/2 years later. However I bought a Z50 about three years ago for travel, hiking, and family shots and really like it as well.
Still got my trusted Nikon D500 and D7200 mainly for sports. Got a Z50 for 3 years now, and thinking of a Z5 or Z6ii, but I will still heavily use the DSLRs.
Hi Thomas! Been watching your videos and agree perfectly with your conclusions and suggestions on getting a Nikon DSLR with some AF-D series lenses. You are creating some really awesome content. And your website is great! As a matter of fact... I went online last night and bought my first AF-D lens... a 60mm Micro Nikkor f2.8 af-d. I bought this as from what I have read and seen... it has great utility value and is sharp and has good colors and can be used for some casual portraits. But down the road I would like to get the AF-D lenses you recommended on your website. Would like to ask your thoughts on this.... what made you end up with choosing a D800 specifically? I ask this as the D750 looks like a good alternative choice as well... Since it is a 24 MP, I think the raw files will take up less space. And perhaps not being such a high resolution sensor, camera shake might not be so much of an issue. Some people say that the D lenses are only good up to 24 MP sensors. Maybe also at higher ISO values, the D750 will be cleaner for short video clips? I know people might scoff and think that Nikons are crap for video... but after struggling with bad Lumix autofocus... I think you can use manual focus to good effect to create short clips shot on. To illustrate the point... have a look at this shot on a D800 ua-cam.com/video/ErDmT7czzW4/v-deo.html But as some of us know... specs don't mean much. And so I am curious if you ever considered a D750 as it is somewhat similar in price to the D800. It appears to me that the D750 on paper looks to be a more "manageable" camera ( assuming one doesn't need 36 MP of which I don't ). But I am sure that there is more to this then meets the eye... I hope it comes across Thomas that I am actually asking for your advice and wisdom on what you think of buying a D750 as opposed to the D800 you settled on! Hope you can share your wisdom on why you went with the D800 specifically... Many thanks!
First and foremost: Thank you for your comment, the positive feedback is very encouraging! Regarding the D750 vs. D800 - I have only tried the D750 for a very short period of time, but the few things I noticed: 1) I prefer the subtle differences of the control layout of the D800, so I would definitely recommend trying both cameras first in order to make a decision. 2) As I use the D800 also for scanning and reproduction photography, the 36MP make sense. Also, it offers a little bit more flexibility when cropping. If you've got a reasonably modern PC, it should be ok. But of course, 24MP is more manageable especially when you shoot high volume (fashion shows, sports, birding, etc.) 3) In the video department, the D800 is quite capable, although you have to use manual focus as you've already mentioned. 4) Regarding the D-lenses being only good for 24MP, I would not agree. Some Nikkor lens designs (e.g. your 60mm Macro) are so good, that I would not hesitate even using them on a D850. Also, the AiS Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 is also outstanding. 5) I prefer the round eyepiece of the D800 6) The two SD-card slots on the D750 are more convenient than the mixed CF/SD slots on the D800 for sure. 7) AF-performance - I think there is no meaningful difference. On paper, the D750 should be a little bit better. To conclude, I think both cameras are excellent and you can't go wrong with either of those. Both have sensors with an almost legendary reputation. Hope that helped - also consider the D780, which is significantly more expensive but an outstanding camera as well. Especially if you want video-AF. Maybe holding them in your hands might help you to make a decision. Also, I will make a short video this week about the D800 being a "new classic", maybe that will help as well.
I LOVE my old DSLR's. I have mirrorless also. But I never use it. I have bougth a mic and a couple of LCD-panels for it, for video. But for everything else...DSLR. :)
I think trying to put an "objective" advantage on DSLR vs Mirrorless comparison is mostly a moot point. I still use a D800 as my primary camera. IMO, its direct successor with similar ergonomics and button layout is Z8. Z8 is only 10 grams lighter than D800, and is smaller by 2 milimeters in width and height, and body itself (not mount) is actually longer by a milimeter. If I put a Z 24-70 f/4 on Z8, and 24-85 on D800, D800+lens will end up actually lighter by 5 grams and only 11 mm longer than a Z8 with comperable lens. All that for 12 times the price... My point? While I can name a 20 points Z8 would destroy my D800, "size and weight" is not an automatic advantage of mirrorless cameras. Bringing up lighter mirrorless cameras like Z5/6/7 as a worthy upgrade to my D800 is an "unfair" argument. Sure they are lighter, but at the cost of NOT having half dozen buttons I'd like to have. Z8 and D800 have similar dimensions because designers need that size if they want to pack in so many buttons and connectors etc and also make the camera feel nice to hold. If my highest priority was getting a lightweight camera, D800 wouldn't even be on my list. Even for full frame I would have gotten a Canon 6D and shaved 200 grams easily. Sure, there are lighter cameras out there, be it DSLR or mirrorless or likes of cybershot. All comes with a different cost/benefit ratio. As a side note... While I fully understand portability is one factor in deciding what to buy (afterall I would never buy something like D4/5 or RB67), I don't understand people making it the ONLY factor. I saw many people just wanting "a" camera, not even thinking about why they need a camera in the first place, let alone taking time to research what features may be important for them. They usually end up buying the lighest/smallest mirrorless without even looking at the specs of their body/lens once. For someone willing to make every possible sacrifice for ease of portability, I dare say even lightest camera is too heavy. Why not just use your cell phone's camera which adds 0 grams to the backpack? Most phones take more than good enough photos for daily use cases. I will have to "somewhat" disagree on cheaper glass though. One "objective" advantage of Mirrorless cameras are their lenses are genearlly very good. Sure, I can (and DO) use a 20+ year old 24-85 AF-D on an old Nikon DSLR for a fraction of the price, but at wider apertures its optically nowhere close to a comperable Z lens. A relatively modern 24-120 f/4 is just as sharp, but its also much more expensive. Going to top end in this focal range, a Z-mount 24-70 f/2.8 is only 10% more expensive than its F mount VR version brand new. At which point I'd go for the Z-mount version, because its even sharper and more future proof and will hold its value better. Same applies to primes as well. A Z mount 50mm f/1.8 will cost 4 times as much as its F-mount cousin, but they are not in same weight class. Similarly performing alternative for F-mount exist (Sigma Art 50mm f/1.4) but it also cames with the similar price tag as the Z-mount 50mm. TLDR; Optics on latest F-mount Nikkor lenses are 8 to 20+ years old depending on focal length and times move on. New Z mount lenses are not expensive for nothing, they also perform significantly better. Speaking of cheap lenses, here's one advantage on mirrorless side. with EVF, you can zoom in to a 100% pixel level on viewfinder on mirrorless and easily manual focus your vintage lenses. Likes of Takumars or Planars are true beasts and dirt cheap compared to modern glass.
I recently came into the D800E (I’ve been shooting Sony full frame mirror less for a few years). I’m loving the the D800E more and more. It just feels more like what I feel a camera should feel like. I won’t dump my Sony (because I adapt a number of vintage lenses including Nikon pre-Ai lenses). But the D800 doesn’t feel too large and heavy to me when coupled with a well-balanced Nikon D prime lens.
As you've stated, a camera is not only about performance but also about handling and "feeling". The Nikon D800 is fortunately both great to handle and an excellent image taking machine. Adapting lenses to mirrorless cameras is of course awesome, as MF assist options make a lot of sense. I also have a Mirrorless system, OM System M43. It is not as well suited for adapting FF lenses as your Sony. Thanks for your comment, there is a place for DSLRs in an increasingly mirrorless world 🙂
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I was thinking of buying a m43, most likely em1 mark1 and use the classic manual focus lenses adapted. Could you please share why you think m43 is not good compared to Sony alpha for adapted lenses.
Some competing thoughts from my experience switching to mirrorless: DSLRs sometimes need calibration to get autofocus working properly. When I owned a D800, some lenses simply would not autofocus sharply. The calibration process is difficult and never worked perfectly for me. It was very disappointing to get a new lens and not have it perform well. Once I got a Z6, this was no longer a problem for those same lenses! No more need for lens calibrations is a huge improvement for me. Handheld macro photography is something I enjoy on occasion, and it is substantially better with a mirrorless camera. This type of photography is usually impractical though a viewfinder, so live view is useful. Shooting in live view on a DSLRs from my experience is too slow to take burst shots, an important technique for this kind of work (to reduce camera shake and grab shots with different areas in focus for focus stacks). Using manual focus lenses on a mirrorless cameras is far superior, since they have focus peaking and magnification features available in the electronic viewfinder. It's much more precise than a green dot with arrows available in the viewfinder of a DSLR for example. I never found it much fun to shoot with vintage lenses on a DSLR for this reason -- they're not like old film cameras with a focusing screen to assist. The silent shutter option on mirrorless is indispensable in many situations, especially street photography or quiet events. I do miss the classic thunk of a DSLR shutter sometimes though! DSLR has its charm, but it's not the everyday choice if you ask me. Used Z6 bodies now sell for under $900, a great value for the many advantages offered over older bodies. Battery life hasn't been an issue for me. There are other hidden costs like CFexpress/XQD cards and the FTZ adapter that add up, but it's well worth it from my experience. I don't regret selling my D800 or D5500, but one of these days I'll buy an older DSLR just for the fun appeal and nostalgia.
Not competing at all - those are all valid points of yours, thanks for contributing. Regarding focusing manual lenses - I've got a video about that. The trick is to use the proper technique, the "old photojournalist technique" to be more precise hehe. The FTZ is great, but there is no AF support for AF-D lenses. A huge downside, unfortunately. Apart from that, mirrorless is great for many things - so are DSLRs. The most prominent misconception is that a FF mirrorless is light than a FF DSLR setup, which it is not. Again, many thanks for the great contribution of yours!
Awesome! Well, your models are also very good ones. I'm also using a D7000 from time to time, and the image quality is very good. In any case, the D800 is quite cool and definitely worth the money. Thanks for the comment!
I know exactly what you mean. After years of using film, then APS-C digital, I finally got a Canon 5dII a couple of years ago and love it. However, there was one thing that niggled me - I have drawers full of manual focus lenses the while they can mostly be shot on the Canon, they've not automatic aperture control. Step forward the Nikon D600, which can use old AI, AI-S glass, which i have a lot of and can use almost seamlessly. Now if Pentax K1 prices drop to a reasonably cheap level, I can grab one of those and be able to use some more of my drawersful. I wouldn't buy a mirrorless camera - I hate that the only viewfinder is the rear screen, or an electronic image on an eyepiece. Give me an optical prism any day.
The weight advantage of mirrorless cameras is a bit more substantial than you suggest. The shorter flange distance allows for more compact lense designs. The RF (mirrorless) version of my favourite lens, the Canon 70-200 2.8L, is about 1/3 shorter and 1/3 lighter than the EF (SLR) version of the lens. And that adds to the difference in weight and size of the bodies.
Yes, thanks for adding that! Coming from Nikon mostly (also Pentax) many lenses without AF motors are available for DSLRs, which are lighter and smaller than mirrorless lenses. That influenced my statement of course. And of course the battery issue. I agree that everyone has a different definition of what is substantial and what is not.
I sold my DSLRs for new Nikon Z mirrorless. Guess what...the full frame Nikon Z mirrorless are going back. I'm keeping the Zfc because it looks retro, and in the mail I have coming a mint D500 kit. I will wait for mirrorless to get better, more lenses, better AF and longer battery, but nothing beats DSLR for AF, viewfinder, and battery life (and they're also tough!!).
I completely agree - thanks for being honest and sharing that. I also had the Z7II, which is a great camera, but it really had nothing that made me keep it over a Nikon D800. Congratulations on getting the D500, this is probably the best APSC stills camera on the market right now - together with the K-3III, which is also very cool.
I’ve taken my old 5D mkII on holiday many a time with the 40mm pancake and couldn’t ask for a better holiday camera. The raw file size is respectable and I’m not constantly reaching for new cf cards, and the interface uncluttered and does everything I need and no more. The lens is just that touch wider than normal lens which is perfect and super compact for a trip.
Yes, I hear you! I've recently purchased an old 5D I, I'm getting the same impressions - no clutter, just a camera that gets the job done. Also, I don't break a sweat when someone bumps it. Thanks for the comment!
I can't imagine how you and anyone else can manage with the angle of view of a 40mm focal length lens; majority of my photos are shot with 20mm to 24mm wide-angle lenses; I am baffled how you can photograph holiday locations with a standard focal length, and how you manage to photograph architecture with that lens.
I bought my D7100 in 2015, such an amazing camera! Still my main camera for landscape and go hiking. This year I bought an used D500 in mint condition with only 19k shots. This camera is still the best option for sports and wildlife in the market, considering its amazing AF performance, its outstanding 10 fps speed. Plus any newer camera with similar AF and speed performance, will be a full frame, then cropping to a DX format to have the same reach, I'll get less resolution than the 21 MP of the D500. This camera is still unbeatable for my skiing photography and World Cup Skiing races photography were I need to carry the camera and a couple of telephoto lenses around the mountain and obtain professional results. And really who needs 45 or more Mpix and pay 3 or 4 times its price for a less reliable performance? Nikon recently discontinued this camera. So if you can get one in great condition, don't miss it!
Thank you very much for sharing your personal camera story! The D500 is a legend and by coincidence, I am very closely watching the second hand market for one right now - prices are coming down, but this will not last (same was with the Df when it was discontinued). I will pick one up without hesitation if the price is right. Thanks for the tip, and I agree - 45MP is definitely not a precondition for for professional photos (or photography in general). Your comment is much appreciated, Roberto.
Thank you very much - I have to admit that I was a little bit upset by the constant "DSLRs are dead" articles on the web. Especially as this camera type has unique traits compared to mirrorless cameras and should therefore not be disregarded.
As being amateur photographer and not earning money from photography i can't speak much about high end cameras, but I used fair amount of budget ones. When you can budget for Sony A6000 or canon m50 etc in fact dslr's might be the better choice. I use canon 250d (SL3) and from my perspective i often take adventage of it being a DSLR. First and formost- long exposure photography during a night, while on LiveU mode (which is pretty much the same as m50) you can have problems with autofocus on dark object, especially when using 3rd party lens. Optical viewfinder focuses everytime in any scenario even if it's only 9 dots or 11, but often it's enough, m50 for example won't see any stars or any dark objects in shadow to focus on and you have to blindly focus to infinity and on first couple of photos check if it's correct. Secondly, when you are type of guy who can go for a trip for 8 hours constantly taking Pictures your optical viewfinder will take care of your eyes. And thirdly- battery isn't your any concern it's just impossible to go out of battery during a day, but I must admit that in mirrorless you can just buy spare batteries. I find it usefull especially in the case of canon 250d that on liveu you have pretty much m50 mirrorless, but when you go into optical viewfinder you have some new capabilities instead of just different screen.
Thank you very much for this great comment - I agree completely with what you've stated! Having an optical viewfinder can really be a make or brake feature. Great contribution!
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I sold off my D850 thinking it was time to move to mirrorless. I got a fujifilm x100V.....I just sold it off today, and Im going to back to my Glorious D850. The epitome of DSLR tech, and a beautiful image maker.
Ahh, the D850 is truly the king of all DSLRs!
Moving to mirrorless is like moving from a rangefinder to a large format camera - not in terms of usability - but in terms of difference in handling. These camera types are just so different.
If you like DSLRs, you'll never get the same experience out of a mirrorless camera.
I did the same i sold my Z7ll and bought a D850 back
Comparing two different animals.
You seem wishy washy. I expect you will sell your DSLR again to by a mirrorless next week.
Damn, it would take an ice age for me to decide to change system. Who the hell sells a D850? It's only supposed to the best DSLR ever...
When I got my first DSLR in 2016 I fooled myself into thinking I'd rather want a brand new camera than an old second hand one so I bought myself a brand new D3400. Around four years later I upgraded to a decade old D700 and loved it.
And as you said lots of people are moving to mirrorless and there are incredible deals to find for DSLRs. Just last week I came across a mint D500 with just 9000 clicks. I can hardly believe people are willing to part with these amazing pieces of equipment, but it's good news for us!
I can't see myself switching to mirrorless since I feel like I'm losing a connection between myself and the subject when I'm looking through an electronic viewfinder. Nothing beats an optical viewfinder in my opinion.
Thank you for sharing your experiences!
I am also surprised day in and day out seeing all these amazing deals on the used market. I mean, the D500 is still the one of the most capable pro oriented sub-35mm cameras. It is a beast that will easily last 10 years of normal use.
I myself also fell in the "buy new" trap not only once. And yes, the D700 is a very special camera 📸 its price on the used market increased lately!
Thanks again for taking the time to comment!
completely agree with you on the optical viewfinder, it just feels more organic.
Well, the mistake was buying an entry level camera, i feel the same now with my olympus EP7, but i prefer new cameras and used lenses.
I will never give up my D500, D850, D3s or D700 and select lenses.
All of those are legendary cameras and in the hands of a skilled photographer, there are no limits with these fantastic tools!
As a non digital shooter, I'd love to understand why you would choose to keep and use several different bodies, especially some that would be considered outdated?
Cheers
Well, it is really like shooting film to a certain degree. Some of these cameras have unique traits and color reproduction that make them worthwhile shooting. Also, while there are newer digital cameras than the D850, it is still one of the best stills cameras available, surpassing newer models in certain aspects. It is really very comparable to film photography, sometimes the small file size, special color rep. and handling are just awesome to get the job done
@@ThomasEisl.Photography that's really cool, so the d3 must have some good qualities to keep it interesting. I'm thinking of getting into digital more and the d700 is definitely on my list of possibilities. The pentax k1 and k3 seem like good options too.
Cheers
Absolutely, all cameras you've mentioned are pretty much excellent! Welcome to the world of vintage digital cameras ☺️
After discovering your videos in last one week and checking most of them, I have become so confident of your content and of honesty (& humility) embedded in it that I put like at the time of starting the video itself.. This medium has become very noisy. You are a welcome breather .. my regards 🙂
Thank you very much for this exceptionally kind comment - I'm super happy that you like what I publish and therefore: a warm welcome to the channel, I hope I'll be able to deliver in the future as well!
Another great video, keep em coming! Such a great way you've articulated the argument about analog... the experience, pure pleasure, reliability, etc.... well said man. I have been trying to hammer that point home for a long time now on my blog, but I do think many photographers already get it. Camera companies are really missing out on a big piece of pie abandoning DSLR's. DSLR's forever!
I want to add too, on size and handling... I often state from a working professional's perspective, that it's much more enjoyable to shoot with bigger and heavier cameras when you are using bigger and heavier lenses. Balance is key to comfort, and when you are running around an event, shooting action, whatever, a balanced camera and lens combination is best for fatigue and comfort. Also, the larger grips and optical finders place less hand and eye fatigue on the photographer. Not too many people are talking about how we are in screen overload all day long as humans, and I've seen you address this point too. Blue screen fatigue is real, it's both a physical thing, and a pleasure thing. I want a break from screens, I want to see through glass. I want to concentrate on my subjects, not be distracted by the fact that a screen is either too bright or too dim on my eye. This is one major reason I shoot with DSLRs most of the time (yes I have mirrorless too). I think this topic is worthy of discussion on a separate video. :) Would be nice to see a panel of pros like ourselves get together on a youtube video and discuss this issue!
I also have a mirrorless setup, just like you. There is a place for both systems in my camera bags.
However, I am totally on board with what you said - DSLRs forever! I feel DSLRs are where film was after the digital revolution, with the exception that DSLRs have no real downside compared to mirrorless cameras, especially for stills photographers.
Once every photographer has bought a mirrorless camera, the big companies will realize that they forgot about the DSLR photographers who were not willing to switch. There will be manufacturers capitalizing on this potential, I am quite sure. Also, such a manufacturer could also offer an analog SLR with many shared components for the ever growing community of film photographers.
Nikon almost had it with the F6, it was a mistake to discontinue it. Look at Leica, they got it right - no need to jump on every "hype train".
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Send me a link to your site, please. I'd love to check it out!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Then Pentax will be laughing and Doomsday photo journos will eat their copy! As a newbie I'd love to find a street portable full frame that I can use my Nikkor glass with. Looks like Nikon will be doing this for the Z mount with a range/ view finder . No F mount ...
I came into photography as the mirrorless craze was starting, so I spent the first few years shooting with the mindset that I was working toward upgrading to a mirrorless system. I tried several different mirrorless cameras and they all felt lackluster for reasons I couldn’t put my finger on. Then I picked up my old dslr and realized that there’s some tactile experience that I was missing across every mirrorless camera I tried. Sure, mirrorless cameras have their place, but the idea that technical specs and the latest technology is the sole reason to shoot any one camera or system just doesn’t make quite so much sense to me anymore. And while I don’t necessarily feel the “connection” people refer to when using an optical viewfinder rather than an EVF, I’ve come to feel there is magic in framing a shot in the OVF then seeing the rendered image on the screen.
In brief, I don’t think it’s just nostalgia for me. The idea of high photography, for me, is intrinsically linked to the experience of using a dslr.
Thank you so much for sharing that, I totally hear you!
Isn't it incredible that DSLRs aren't really behind in sensor tech? The D850 sensor outperforms the Z9 sensor.
Mirrorless has very special "needs" because of the constant read out and more, that are actually detrimental to IQ.
Well anyways, both are awesome, but DSLRs are just for photography. I agree, nothing says high end shooting like a mirror and a real "live View" image!
The D7000 is a great recommendation. As an amateur, a Nikon D7100 body for £280 was cheaper than my old D50, D40 and D5000 when bought many years ago. I’ve found everything I’ve ever wanted in the D7100, great video and thanks.
Just sold all my Fuji mirrorless and went back to Nikon DSLRs. The lens deals available right now are simply too good to pass up. Mint pro zooms for 60-70% less than what they sold for new 2 years ago. Amazing primes for at least 50% off. Way too good to be true. Picked up a mint D700 and paired with some AIS lenses, it's a dream come true.
I know I know - it is just amazing but I'm sure it won't last. More and more people are catching on to that and realize the potential of what was formerly considered "obsolote" gear. Thanks for sharing, great to hear this story. Have fun with your amazing kit!
It's good to see someone being more honest about the real world advantages of using a DSLR. When you make a living from holding a camera in your hands all day like I do these differences become more obvious. Thanks for sharing I just wish camera manufacturers would listen.
Thank you very much for your comment! The "problem" is that most cameras are not sold to people who do not work each and every day with their cameras. However, they deserve the best tool possible as well and the marketing spin regarding mirrorless (especially full frame mirrorless) makes people sell their perfectly fine DSLRs for something that they might not even like at all or that might not offer any improvement over what they have.
Regarding manufacturers - I think Pentax is listening. I am still not a 100% sure whether Nikon got the memo, but I hope so as they have the biggest lineup and longest legacy at the moment.
Which camera do you shoot with right now?
@@ThomasEisl.Photography
Yes as you say camera manufacturers are more interested in sales then producing proficient tools for the most part.
Currently for my professional work I shoot with a set of Nikon D750's and one D810. I also still enjoy using film so I have an embarrassingly large collection of film cameras. When I travel I use a Fujixpro2 with some of the smaller F/2 lenses because it's nice and small.
Thank you so much for your informative videos. They are clearly presented and offer what I consider to be great advice. Coincidentally, I’m an amateur photographer with a Nikon 850 and an Olympus OMD EM-1 Mk2 which I use as my travel camera. I use the 850 for wildlife, portraits and landscapes. This has proved an excellent combination as you showed in your video. I totally agree about the analogue viewfinder - nothing quite feels like it. And I just love both cameras, now that I know how to use them. Thank you.
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing, I absolutely agree with you. Nowadays many people say that DSLRs are dead, but of course we can take the benefit, coz now DSLRs cameras and lenses are more affordable. I personally use D750 and D800e. They are superb. Greetings from Indonesia..🙏🙏
Thank you for the encouragement and for subscribing! I'm happy to see many DSLR-fans around the world. This camera type is just awesome, and deserves positive attention for sure!
"Nowadays many people say that DSLRs are dead..." Narrator: "Actually nobody is saying that."
@@Deuce33 When they are not produced you can say they are dead. Not sure who is gonna service them in the future either, it will probably cost more than buying a new one.
As always, wise words; thanks! When I was a practicing doctor (I'm retired), representatives from drug manufacturers would meet with my group. They would tell us about the latest and greatest meds. They never lied, but they emphasized the positives of a new med while de-emphasizing any negatives. For instance, they wouldn't mention that a new medication might cost 10 times more than an older one.
I saw the same tactic from camera influencers who always talked about the latest camera's minor improvements as major accomplishments. Some influencers (a couple comes to mind) would change from one brand to another, sometimes several times a year. I know no professional photographer who changes their camera system several times a year, and it was clear that these UA-camrs were more about camera sales than working the craft.
Just about any mid-level or above the camera from 2010 (or newer) is capable of taking professional (and beautiful) shots. In the past I would buy newer cameras with the hope that they would make me a better photographer. They did not; taking a lot of photos and gaining familiarity with my camera's controls did.
Thank you very much for sharing that, Mike - wise words, that goes for your comment as well!
I agree - it is not about the latest and greatest.
A big problem is that there is a huge crowd of photographers who are only interested in "what is new - what is hot". This really incentives content creators like you and me to talk only about the latest and greatest. It is worrisome on many levels - a camera review after only two weeks of owning a camera is at best a lucky strike, at worst just biased nonsense.
I think, just like you, that it is a disservice to the community to do that.
Thanks again!
Great video Thomas. I love how i can view my shots through my battery less optical viewfinder SLR in glorious colour!
Yes, agreed!
Many thanks for the feedback.
I’ve got Nikon D3S, D3X, D4, & D700. I love them all. What I DON’T love is E.V.F.s & small modern camera bodies
Thanks for sharing that - I agree, handling a DSLR is different to handling a MILC in so many ways, and it is a difference that can be enjoyed! Thank you for your comment!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography There's also a certain satisfaction in giving the middle finger to the whole marketing & brain-washing campaign that's asking you to dump your good existing photography capital and buy brand new capital at very high prices. 🤣
Absolutely! Actually, the whole marketing around MILCs is absolutely annoying. I love how they lable the Z9 as "unstoppable" - my d800s were never stopped by anything or anyone. It is just cringe, and in general hollow phrases. It is not until recently that AF performance of MILCs is catching up to DSLRs (generalization, but you know what I mean). The waste of money and ressources aspect is another important aspect, as you've mentioned!
Thanks for sharing your experience with great comments...Yes I love my DSLRS as I still have & use my old D70s even though I also have a D7100 & recently purchased a D500...I purchase mostly second hand gear as I am only a hobbyist... cheers from Australia 😀
To be honest, all those cameras are perfectly capable of achieving great results. And the D500 is arguably one of the best if not still the best fast Action APSC camera. Many wedding photographers I know use it, and it is also great for Studio work! Thank you for the comment, Robert!
I’m a competent hobbyist/amateur who enjoys birds, wildlife, and landscapes. I got by for years with low end Nikon cameras and glass. Not long ago I had the chance to purchase a used D500 at a very affordable price. (Less than 900 US in great condition) I then was able to purchase some great older glass at very affordable prices. Now I’m very happy with my upgrades and what’s in my bag. I’ve never owned a high end mirrorless camera and doubt I ever will. Nothing against them, but I know very little about them. Like I said, I’m merely an old amateur who hopes he can become proficient with what he has. I know I’ll never be as good at photography as the equipment I have, but I don’t do it for a living, either. Very informative video.
The D500 is a high-end professional camera that is more than capable of getting every photography job done - thanks to the excellent AF coverage and AF performance, it will never let you down in any sensible scenario. Excellent choice! Thank you for sharing your experiences and taking the time to comment - now is the best time to shoot DSLRs, there is no doubt about it!
I finally upgraded last year from a Nikon D70 to the Nikon D500 . It is an amazing camera for wildlife. This DSLR works just fine for me. I did pick up a fujifilm x100v mainly because of its size , it’s one that I can have with me all the time. Now I have the best of both worlds 📸
That sounds awesome!
D500 - legendary camera for the next 10-15 years to come. It is a beast.
And hey, the X100V is the perfect companion for everything else.
Thanks for sharing, long live the DSLR (and Fuji of course)
Very insightful video. I am still using my Nikon D7200 for birding. Nothing like a real time OVF. Less eye fatigue and no lag.
Thank you very much! Yes, I agree - and it is the best value for money. In upcoming videos, I'll share my take on the OM System OM-1 - it was quite interesting to compare it to my D800 setup.
Such a nice Camera
I bought one about a year ago and it’s a great camera to use. Also purchased a good second hand f2.8 15-55mm zoom for it which is excellent. Super quality at an affordable price.
LOVE THIS VIDEO! I've been shooting with a Nikon D750 and Nikon D7200 for several years, and I see where the mirrorless market is exploding!
However, I have great results with them, although the bodies have a bit of wear and tear: I'm looking for a backup DSLR and the D780 and 850 are getting my attention!
Again, thanks fior this tutorial HG from Chicago
Many thanks for the kind feedback - the D780 and the D850 are two excellent, future proof choices!
DSLRs are definitely relevant in 2023. Best wishes from Vienna!
Just found this video on my search for the Nikon D7000. First I have watched your video from the beginning till the end and I must say I do agree on all your points. Just recently, lets say 6 months ago, I sold all my Nikon gear from the Nikon D90 upt to Nikon D7200.
I switched over to M43 and bought the Panasonic G9. Considering size and weight it is more portable againgst the DSLR set I have used. So 6 months further I miss the DSLR feeling, handling, the work around the problems shootings and so on. With the mirrorless Panny G9 there is no problems at all and in some way I miss the Nikon. And as of speaking I bought a second hand the Nikon D80, and yes this body is from 2006 with the iconic CCD sensor, just for 50 euros. And it gives me so much joy that I forget that I have a mirrorless system. Now im looking for the Nikon D7000....
Many thanks for your kind words and for sharing that!
Hey Thomas great commentary. As a hobbyist I switched from FF to MFT six years ago and have not had any regrets. I carry a very small messenger bag EM1 mk ii with 2 Pro F4.0 zooms 12-40 and 40-150 and a 50mm prime. I am happy. Cheers from still snowy -15 Celsius southern Georgian Bay Ontario Canada
Great Setup Neil!
To be honest, I am not shooting DSLRs because they provide better image quality, I just really like a mirror from time to time. My OM-1 MFT kit currently gets the most use for paid jobs.
The weather is quite something, good to that you have a weather sealed kit hehe
All the best and thanks for sharing!
Your attention to detail has educated me and provided much food-for-thought! I’ll subscribe & binge ! Thanks and Enjoy a cup!
Thank you very much Jeff! Welcome to the channel, thanks for the generous support of yours! Hope to read from you soon.
Upgraded last year, from a second hand D3200 to a second hand D850 that had a shutter count of 113k, works great, only marks are where the strap rubbed the body. for me the extra that the new mirrorless offer, are not going to be used for landscape photography, but if you want better focus tracking for fast action, then go mirrorless
Thank you very much sharing your experiences! The D850 is a great choice!
Btw, you would not believe how good DSLRs actually are when it comes to AF compared to even the best mirrorless cameras. The reason is the wider phase detection measuring base, which is a huge advantage that is not well known or discussed.
I have 3 dslrs: d7100 d610 and d800. The d7100 I want to sell with it's dx lenses, though it's value is not with much on the market. 2 are enough for me. I have 1 bridge camera a fz100 and 3 compact 1 Sony rx100 and 2 lumix zs100. The experience with shooting with a dslr is unrivalled. Though it may not be good as video or for sport or nature where fps really matter, the hold and feel of the same camera throw a you into the world of photography. It's hard to explain but it just makes the experience more precious.
I completely agree!
Regarding the sports - I think this is definitely true for "slower" DSRLs like our D800, but the D3-6, those are fast enough. More might be nice, but I doubt whether you will really get better keeper rates.
Many thanks for the great contribution!
Thank you for the great video. Being a Canon shooter, I use old golden DSLRs like 5D Classic, 5D Mark II, 1D Mark IV and 7D. All bought used. I'm purely a hobbyist and use the FF cameras for landscape and street photography purposes while, the latter two for wildlife photography. All of them have tons of shutter life left. I use native lenses and always shoot happily.
Thanks again.
Thank you very much for the exceptionally kind comment - I very much appreciate it.
Also, thank you for sharing your camera setup. I have very little experience with Canon cameras, but every time I picked one up, I loved the results and handling.
DSLRs are incredibly value for money and I would not bother changing, especially if you are shooting stills most of the time.
Thanks again!
Well stated Thomas! I couldn't agree more. I am a professional for over 30 years, used every format brand and type of camera from micro 4/3rds to 11x14 DearDorff view camera. They all have a purpose and are all great tools. DSLR is the way to go right now, prices are dirt cheap for high quality gear. I just purchased a Nikon D300s with a shutter count of only 4500, it came with an MB10 grip and a 35mm DX G lens, the price was a mere $150 Canadian that's about 105 Euros!!! I remember buying my D300s new back in 2008 for $1800 Canadian about 1250 Euros. Even today it is a great camera, the image quality is amazing for today!
Thank you for sharing that, Gregory! We both think very much alike. And as you've said, the D300s is still amazing. I want to focus my channel on truly understanding the technical capabilities of cameras and making use of them. One will soon find out that not much is needed if you know what you are doing. Also, technology has not evolved so much that cameras like the D300 are irrelevant today. Thanks for the kind feedback!
Definitely a best choice for me. It’s going to last long and we can get top-end gear for cheap.
Moreover, I don’t like to put my eyes on yet another screen, I much prefer an optical viewfinder. A part of the magic is here in my opinion: getting something different between what you see in the camera and the result you get.
When DSLR gear is obsolete, mirrorless gear would have been much better and it would be less painful to upgrade.
Thank you very much for the comment - I cannot agree more! I am also not quite sure about the "upgrade" - it feels more like getting something different than getting something truly better. Thank you, Jean-Christophe! Which camera do you currently use?
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I use a Nikon D500 for wildlife and, as I put my words into actions, I purchased a D780 just a few days ago for the rest of my photography... :D
I am very happy with it so far.
On the lens side, I mostly enjoy the entire SLII collection of Voigtlander (20, 28, 40, 58, 90).
Keep up the great work, I enjoy your videos a lot! Thank you!
@@jc.baptiste thank you for sharing that! Great lens and camera choices, fellow DSLR-shooter 🙂👍
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Thanks! I forgot to mention that I got the D780 practically new, about 1000 shots, for 1400€.
The kind of true bargain that you mention in the video. 😁
You are absolutely spot on with your comments. I have been a Nikon shooter since the 70s with a long row of professional and high end film and digital gear over time and for the last four years I am also a micro 4/3 user with Olympus PenF and Lumix bodies and lenses. I am very happy to own the best of both worlds, depending on the specific job and situation. The DSLR viewfinder is in many cases still my preferred choice, and the PenF with small primes is my "poor-mans" Leica. All your video are excellent and founded in your professional knowhow and experience.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, experiences and personal camera history - we share the same perspective.
The Pen F is a great stills oriented M43 body - love to work with mine as well.
However, as you've said, there is nothing like an optical viewfinder.
Thank you very much for your kind words, I am humbled and very much appreciate your comment, Carl! Thanks!
Great video . Just bought a D800 with 5500 clicks on it . Paid $550 seem far with the low shutter count . Needed a back up to my D750. Hope it ws a right choice .
In my humble opinion, it is the perfect choice - you get more resolution and a true imaging powerhouse (for a great price in your case). You won't regret that - enjoy your D800 📸
Thanks for your nice comment!
That's really a bargain, even today, a year later. Over here they're around 600-800 EUR, with more clicks on it.
Before watching your video I bought a Neon D850. I don't want to stare at a screen anymore than I have to and I want to see it in real time. I am a pro from the film age and I see no need for the mirrorless, more money, less battery life and now I hear about overheating and noise. I'm happy with a DSLR and have been for years. The D850 gives me everything I ever wanted in a camera!!! Thank for the Video!!
Thanks for sharing that Thomas!
I think that the D850 is a very good investment - it is one of the best stills cameras on the market and delivers in every way. DSLRs are far from "dead".
Thank you for the comment!
I started my wedding photography business with full frame mirrorless and I’ve used the main 3 brands. I’m in 2024 looking to buy a dslr to make my photography more fun. I see so many good deals on eBay and Facebook marketplace. I think many people will regret selling their old gear.
Thanks for sharing - and I completely agree. This stuff is pure gold. Best, Thomas
I use several systems. I've also found I need twice as many batteries on mirrorless. But the real trade-off is the viewfinder. I considered the Nikon d800, but got a Sony a7R instead. I also use Canon 5d mark ii, still a capable and reliable camera. At a shoot-out with a Fujifilm x-e2, I shifted to a Canon AE-1 program, and the difference from the evf on the x-e2 to the excellent viewfinder in the AE-1 Program made me stop shooting Fujifilm.
Thank you for sharing your experiences! I think all systems have their unique advantages and downsides. Having an optical viewfinder can be a wonderful experience - especially when this is combined with a pro grade DSLR body. And yes, the 5D II is still absolutely fantastic today!
The door falls off on every ae1 ever made 😂 worst camera ever
@@unbroken1010 You're not supposed to drive your car over it...
Yes! Mirrorless cameras are like taking video comstantly. Theyre smaller and have smaller batteries and borh those lead to horrible battery life. My DSLR's, I can simply never turn off. I can look through the finder and compose, and decide not to meter or focus and it won't take any battery, it's off. Plus nothing beats the eye's dynamic range. DSLR's have such time behind them that right now, you can buy professional built magnesium alloy cameras with weather sealed bodies for a few hundred bucks.
Could not agree more! I will always have a DSLR in my arsenal - the photographic experience is just unique, in our screen age that is just so refreshing. Many thanks for your input, very much appreciated! 📸
Hey Thomas! I watched a couple of your videos and I tend to like them. Initially I did not even know why, but I realized that I like that you take the time to slowly and accurately put your point accross, regardless of the rushing fashion of the moment. Joining your fan club, I have sold all my Nikon gears a couple of years ago and converted to Sony mirrorless, which I like a lot, but I still use my D850 along with a couple of excellent Tamron SP primes as well as super compact and very high IQ Voigtlander MF glass. I guess I still like to believe that a remarkable shot is partially my achievement, as oppose to the ever improving gear's AI which may produce breathtaking image, but leaving hardly any contribution to the photographer beyond positioning the camera and pushing the exposure button. And I got to admit you are right, my D850 + MF prime is lighter and smaller, than my A7R4 + AF (GM) prime. I do love both worlds, however the with the D850 I feel much more of a creator of photos, than a just a consumer who invested into a highly capable MILC.
Hey there!
Well, I am also not against mirrorless cameras, and as you stated: it is perfectly reasonable to have a mirrorless and DSLR kit - in fact, I have both as well.
Both camera types have their merits and depending on the mood and task, one can pick and choose.
Thanks for sharing your insights, also the fact that the Sony kit is actually a bit heavier in the stated configuration.
I very much appreciate your kind coment and your encouraging words - I hope that you'll my future videos as much as the previous ones. Thanks again!
This is a really good and honest evaluation. Thank you for posting this video.
Thank you very much for your comment!
DSLRs have a lot to offer in terms of used experience, this technology is not outdated by any means.
I did purchase a new Canon 90D in March of 2023. And I love it. I now use my 80D as a second camera to the 90D. It’s very convenient since both cameras are so similar in most aspects.
Very nice!
Great video. Also some older D3 are cheap, I sold mine for about 300€
Thanks for sharing - agreed!
Going digital with a Pentax K-7 in 2009 rekindled my love of photography which I had come close to losing towards the waning film days. Since then, I've also shot a K-3, and, beginning this year, the remarkable K-3 Mark III. Over the years, I have assembled a capable and versatile kit of Pentax lenses and meaningful accessories. Honestly, what more could I want from my camera system? I'm an amateur and get to decide for myself what I want to shoot. And guess what, I pick what gives me joy and results and doesn't require me to sell my kidneys. The sheer feel of the camera and controls, the view through that OVF, and the rich sound of the mechanical shutter and mirror make me want to take that beast outside and take photos.
Pentax produces amazing cameras, and they are perfect for both the professional and the amateur. Thanks for sharing!
Like most of the pre-digital generation, I started with 35mm film and moved to DSLR and sold all my old film cameras except for the Nikon FM2n (my sentimental favourite film camera). Moved onto Mirrorless with a Fujifilm X-Pro2 and a few prime lenses which I still enjoy immensely but reduced battery life sure is noticable. Mind you, a couple of charged up spares is more than enough to keep me shooting for a few days at my usage rate. Here and now in 2023 I find myself gravitating back to film and the DSLRs, re-discovering the experiences which now have a nostalgic status in their own rights. With a bit of patience and an attentive eye, bargains sure are out there.
Thank you for sharing that, Roy! I've transitioned straight from film to mirrorless, with only a short period of using the E-1. Every camera type has its unique properties which facilitates different shooting styles. Thanks for sharing your story, and I'm glad that you rediscovered your love for DSLRs and film. You will like my next video 😉 it will be about the dynamic range of film and digital.
Interesting to see your comment. I'm a film user whose primary 35mm camera is an FM2. I started to consider buying a digital camera recently, but am turned off by the prices and the fact that there seems to be no direct digital replacement for the FM2. Every modern Nikon digital camera that I have looked at either won't meter with my manual focus F-mount lenses (not the end of the world, but certainly inconvenient) or else is very expensive and has too many features that I will never use. At this point, I have pretty much concluded that I am better off sticking with film-only photography, as I am happy with the process and results that I get, I'm not in a hurry, and I can buy lots of film for the $2500 that a D850 would cost. Plus, I trust film more for long-term archival storage.
Great discussion, valuable insights. I agree with your opinions.
Thank you very much! Your comment is much appreciated 👍
I have 2 cameras A D700 and a D4 the both take great pictures and are totally satisfying to use,I use both af and manual lenses and experiment with metering modes to get some suprising results
Awesome - yes, I'm convinced that "old" cameras get the job done perfectly fine!
Cameras don't take photos - photographers do!
Merry Christmas and Thankyou.
Glad you liked the video!
Happy holidays for you as well!
I've shot dozens of cameras over the years - film, DSLR and latterly mirrorless. Of all of them, my undoubted favourite is my Nikon D700. I shoot it primarily with a micro Nikkor 105mm f2.8G and the images are as good as any. The lens is the best I've ever used - any focal length, any manufacturer. In my opinion it's unrivalled :-)
Thank you very much for sharing that!
I have not tried the 105 you mentioned, but I'm a huge fan of the 105/1.4E and the 105 f2 DC.
Thanks for the tip!
It's f/2.8, but yes, it's my favorite lens too. I use it on a D780.
@@5pp000 thanks Scott - I mis-typed!! corrected now :-)
It is in my opinion the greatest lens ever :-)
An alternative is micro-4/3 (MFT). It too is inexpensive, the bodies can be small. Most importantly, the smaller sensor means dramatically smaller lenses relative to FF. This is especially the case if you're shooting primarily at the telephoto end of things.
I carry a Panasonic GX-85 with the 20mm f1.7 often. It's a great rangefinder-like combo for cityscape, street and documentary type photography - truly small, unobtrusive and unassuming. If I were to buy new, I'd look at the follow on, the GX-9.
Absolutely - I also shoot MFT for exactly the same reason (mostly the OM-1) - this system is really more compact than DSLRs and I love the video performance as well.
The GX-85 is really a great camera, and the combo you mentioned is very tempting indeed!
Thanks for the comment Robert!
I shoot with various Fujifilm X-T series, but I also have a GX80/85 for when I want to travel light. The 12-32mm and 40-150 lenses are tiny and feather light, despite producing excellent IQ.
Fantastic perspective. Just bought two used Nikon DSLRs in near new condition - the D850 and the last flagship, the D6. Absolutely blown away by performance and image quality.
Wow! Can't get any better than those two! Congratulations on this purchase - you've just bought two fantastic cameras.
Go even older if you want great output. D700 is the gold star, that thing produces the best files out of camera I've ever seen. Beyond that the D300 is a great professional body, and if you do any B&W get the D200. The D200 is the epitome of ccd technology which was specifically designed to replace the film look. I'd say the d7100 is part of the new age of digital cameras in which "grain" was replaced with "noise". If you can eliminate noise by shooting at sufficiently low iso then the image is excellent, once noise starts showing up the image is trash.
Thanks for sharing that! I agree, the D700, D300 and D200 are great, so are the Fuji S Series. Thanks for sharing and stay tuned for this year's DSLR video 📸
FF DSLRs were amazing drool worthy pieces of kit 10 years ago and they still are today. I use a Nikon AFD 80-200 and 105 micro, along with other F mount lenses, replacing it all would cost thousands. I'm sure the new lenses would be sharper but I'm a big fan of cheap lenses that are "good enough". I'm noticing a lot of lenses I was lusting over 5 years ago are now cheap second hand. I'm going to get a D780 when my current camera conks out.
Completely agree with everything you wrote, thanks for the contribution!
The D780 is definitely a great model, thought about getting one myself at some point.
I have a D500 with no plans to migrate to mirrorless.
One issue to factor in with DSLR’s is what spares the manufacturer will keep in stock going forward.
Excellent camera, one of the best ever made.
Maybe in the long run DSLR shooters have to get a Pentax - and that is not a bad thing, as the K3-III is a beast.
I've purchased a Nikon 50mm 1.2 Ais for that old world feel. Now I'm considering buying the Nikon Df.
Definitely a great idea - the Df is a great camera. I've owned one for some time and loved it for its retro feel combined with one of the greatest imaging sensors of all time!
Why?????
Great video I have been able to afford some lenses now that everyone is moving to mirror less. I enjoy the analog feel of the dslr and love the battery life.
Cannot agree more, I love DSLRs exactly for the same reasons. I'm also shooting with a mirrorless kit, but the handling of DSLRs is just unique.
In my next video, I'll compare my DSLR-Kit to my Mirrorless Kit, some interesting findings I'd say.
Thank you very much for the comment!
A couple days ago I just bought a new Nikon D850 at the new price $2,496 . Shooting it with my old Nikon manual focus glass and the images are stunning.
Great purchase! The D850 is still one of the best stills cameras on the market, if not the best.
In the long run, I will get one as well. Congratulations, the D850 is a legend!
Got my nikon D850 used for $1000. When I saw the advertisement, didn't need that long to convince me. Just a few hours honestly. Very happy. Got a nikon z50 for family outings. As a hobbyist, I'm truly blessed.
Thanks for these very helpful video that gives me a balance to think about new equipment.
Glad this was helpful - DSLRs are outstanding tools and offer a great user experience. Thanks for the comment!
Bang on about the DF! Got it to learn on and it's been fantastic! I just have to get to grips with A, S and P mode. The 3 analogue controls are just great for a newbie! Available glass is plentiful, but prices for fast primes whether D or G are a commitment! Still, you get €5k worth of equipment for €1.5k. It's still a big budget for an amateur but I think you can get down to €1k for full frame and less for APSC or M4/3.
Thanks!
Nikon DSLRs truly have something special about them. I wanted a CCD DSLR for skin tones so got a d200, then tried a d300 and my mirrorless camera is barely getting used now. I'm strongly contemplating selling up for a full frame DSLR. they have also nailed tactile control without taking your eyes away from the viewfinder
Very true.
I struggle shooting in live view sometimes, so being able to use a viewfinder can occasionally save the day/image.
Mirrorless is for sure the future but Mirrorless is also way overhyped. I have both systems and love them both. But my main landscape camera is still my trusted D850. In terms of a small camera system I would recommend the Z50 with the kit lens. I use it has a travel camera and as a general walk around camera. Highly recommended!
Thank you very much for comment - I agree, most cameras will be mirrorless in the future. I assume that Pentax will remain as a boutique manufacturer of DSLRs and hopefully Nikon as well.
I've tried the Z50 (borrowed it) and I also really liked it! Thanks for sharing that!
Thank you Thomas. I am considering going back to DSLR.
Yes, you should if you feel like it is the right thing for you! DSLRs are very special and very capable photographic tools! Love mine!
The D850 is fantastic. I was disappointed when Nikon discontinued the D500 then stopped its DSLRS and f mount lens production. DSLRS were made better, more reliable, and didn’t have so many quirks as the new mirrorless cameras.
True.
From what I know, the lens production of f mount lenses is still ongoing. Not the full lineup, but hey!
DSLRs are definitely the best value for money. This is also because everybody knows manufacturers (except Pentax) will not produce it anymore, so demand for DSLR is decreasing.
As wildlife photographer I found the mirrorless camera more optimized for this type of photography : huge fps, electronic shutter, subject detection, excelent IS, PRO capture...etc
I still have a DSLR but never used it in the last 2-3 years.
Thanks for the comment Toni! I agree, mirrorless cameras have come a long way and specialized cameras like OM / OM-D system cameras are so good for wildlife, a DSLR cannot keep up.
I myself appreciate DSLRs for portraiture, studio photography and other people related stuff - I like to go back and forth between those systems.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I am totally with you on this one!
Wow great video!! thanks for your explanation! I have the AFD 35, AIS 50 and AFD 85 for my F3, F4, F5. Was thinking of getting a DSLR to use them too. How long do you think it will take for the D6 to get to 1000USD?
Thank you for your kind comment - great selection of lenses you have, perfect for your future DSLR (s). I think it will take very long, most likely more than 5 years. I would rather get a D4 or D5, which would make more sense if you want to get the most for as little money as possible. Do not disregard the D600/610 if you can live with some limitations regarding auto focus.
Just picked up a D810 in 2024 30k shutter count, working like a charm. I’m in love.
Great to hear!
Excellent review to open people eyes and brain. Both systems are working with different characteristics . It is relevant to notice that mirrorless lenses are much more expensive than DSLRs and heavier.😊
Many thanks!
I bought a Canon M3 not so long ago, mainly to see what all the fuss is about mirrorless cameras, as I didn't want a large/pricey one just yet. Have to admit, the quality is great, it's a cute compact device with enough features for general photographers to use and by using an EOS adapter can use every Canon EF/EF-S lens, making it extremely flexible. I have to admit though, I cringe every time I remove the lens because of the sensor having no shutter to protect it from dust. It makes me wonder if mirrorless cameras require higher "air blower" maintenance versus DSLRs given the lack of shutters. I find that a bit of a flaw in the system since dust spots can harm image quality.
Thank you for your comment! I also like smaller sensor Mirrorless cameras for their compactness. My experience with OMDS / Olympus cameras is that the exposed sensor is not an issue because of the outstanding sensor cleaning. Nonetheless, I am with you: it feels wrong that the sensor is exposed.
I am very careful with the airblower, as you might add dust. Definitely be super duper careful with canned air. I would actually advise against using that on a sensor. On my website Ive got an article about canned air just if you are interested. In any case, I don't know how good canons sensor cleaning is, so yes, dust might be an issue (had that with the Z7II from time to time). Thanks again for your comment!
Nearly all mirrorless cameras have mechanical shutters and these can often be set to cover the sensor on shut down
i BOUGHT A NEW 5d iv and 1dx ii in 2023. the saving in cash is a big deal compared to when these bodies were released
Absolutely! And totally worth it - great buying decisions!
I sold my D4, D850 and D500 in 2021 to get z7 and z6ii. Last year I upgraded my z7 to z9. While I love the IBIS and EVF mirrorless offers along with the z glass sharpness, I bought back a D5 this year as I love the big rugged body feel as well as the rendering of the retro film like look from DSLR. I also use all my 1.4 F mount primes and I prefer that on my D5 than the z glass. I am shooting portraits with my D5 while shooting wildlife with my z9. I love best of the both world.
Thanks for sharing that!
I still rock my full frame DSLR with some zooms and a DSLM with a small prime and tiny standard zoom for daily, travel, street and whatnot.
Yes, that is the way to go!
I recently purchased a Canon 40d and an EF 24 f2.8 for about $150. Having more fun than with my EM-5. I plan on getting a 5d and a 5d mkII soon. The bodies and lenses are so cheap now I almost can’t help getting GAS. I was looking at a Nikon d200 today and I think I have to have one. The CCD sensor seems like it could put out some really cool images. I’m about to go down a deep rabbit hole of vintage DSLR’s and glass.
Haha! I feel you - I know exactly how it is - go for it, GAS can be affordable as well.
The 5D ii seems to be the new "best bargain" - they are everywhere and cost next to nothing for what they are!
Greetings from Calcutta, India.
Your advice reminds me of the romantic journeys on a chugging and clickety clock steam trains when I was a child compared with silent and smoorh electricity hauled trains I ride now.
It's just an analogy.
I own Nikon D850 and have no plans to part with it.
Hey there and greetings from Vienna! I'd argue that the DSLR already offers a refined user experience, although the reflex mirror is a "legacy" technology. Your D850 represents the peak of this technology up to now, it is such a great camera!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Thank you very much.
Fabulous insights n summary ❤
Thank you very much for the kind comment!
Yeah, being able to continue with the past experience is enjoyable, just as I had experienced with my first DSLR back in 2000 after 20 years shooting with an SLR as an enthusiast. But now the rapid advancement of technology demands people to adapt changes at a much fast pace than from SLR to DSLR.
Thus we may have to factor in the learning and budget to carry on for the years ahead and it is better to change at a controlled pace than going 'cold turkey' that may be during a busy period for the pros.
Of course, some may not wish to be the beta testers, but still need to update their mindsets in relation to the pace of progress as well. Otherwise, we may wake up one day and find ourselves a generation behind, just I had seen some very experienced & top-notch photographers trying very hard but awkwardly, to fit into the world of videographers.
There are always pros and cons between taking a calculated risk vs. working in one's comfort zone. Just as some Nikonians will miss out the low introductory price of the Z9 (hence the increase number of pre-orders than the D3) if they don't get one now. Of course, it is only my opinions and generalizing.
Thank you very much for your comment!
I think the difference between SLR to DSLR compared to DSLR to Mirrorless is that there is no real improvement workflow wise. There is a handling difference and a price difference, though.
I myself worked professionally with mirrorless first, and then decided to learn how to shoot with DSLRs, so I took the opposite route.
I am totally supporting your line of argument in regards to that every photographer today has to move with technology and know what is going on.
Fuck videography. Still photography is what lasts. I buy photo books as treasured possesions of moments frozen in time. Video is temporary diversion. I don't collect videos. They mean nothing to me.
Agree 100% with you. I own two D800, 1 D500 (amazing one) a D300 and even a D200. I have absolutaly no interest to switch to mirrorless system
Thanks for sharing that! With the setup of yours, you can virtually take every photograph imaginable. Truly no need for switching!
The price of a good used full frame nowadays are just insane, you can get the Nikon D600 or D700 for $400 ish, really a great time to be alive to learn photography. I bought all of my gears used, so I won't take a huge hit by the time I decide to sell them
Thanks for that remark as well! I totally agree, when you are ok with using DSLRs, you can get incredible gear for next to nothing! It truly is an awesome time to be a photographer!
The d600 us 🗑 it had huge oil problems
Just bought a well worn D4 with about 700k in shutter count for $500. Love it! 👏
Uh, 700k is really well worn, but it will probably last for many years! Great buy and enjoy your high-end DSLR, the D4 is a legend!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography There are still brand new shutters on ebay in case it gives up. 🙌☺
Did not know that! And let's be honest, for the price, it's always a good purchase. I've never had a camera fail because of too many clicks. I assume that most cameras are much more durable than the manufacturers admit them to be
Ah! Alright!
My favorite film cameras are from the early '70s specifically 1971(Canon F1 and the Nikon F2). That was the golden age of SLRs. My favorite Digital cameras are the Nikons from 2006-2008 (The Nikon D3, D700, and D300). Digitals golden age..when digital cameras were built to last and had image quality that was as film like as digital would ever be.
Thank you for this wonderful statement - it is both inspiring and insightful.
You are very right about what you said - I would add the Fuji S5 to the golden age, as it is also a very special, Nikon-based camera!
Great video Thomas. I am not happy at all with camera manufacturers phasing out the DSLR. I’ve had SLRs and DSLRs for decades and have no interest in Mirrorless cameras. I currently use a Canon 80D and wish to move up to a 90D. But I feel I must move fast to get a new one or wait a bit and look at the second hand market. Decisions, decisions.
Yes, I agree. I'm seriously considering Pentax (esp. K-3 / K-1) for that reason. They are committed and their cameras are fantastic.
In your situation, I would not hesitate to upgrade, the 90D is a capable camera and well worth the money. Don't force yourself to "go mirrorless", just because the manufacturers try to "upsell" you. Cheers!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I just bought a second hand (but practically unused) 90D for quite a reasonable price. I have both a full-frame kit and an APS-C. I love shooting APS-C for all of those situations where I need a light kit with a huge range of focal lenghts that I can haul around all day without getting tired. A 90D plus 2 or three tiny APS-C lenses weighs next to nothing! Not to mention that the Canon APS-C lens selection is excellent!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Thomas thanks for the reply. I got my new 90D on March 18. I’ve only been out with it twice, I am very pleased with the images.
@@samuel_andreyev Nikon made one major mistake - a lacking APSC lens lineup. Pentax and canon got it right 👍
I found your comments about older DSLR bodies being still useful. I have a Rebel T3i body that is now my second camera. It dates back to 2013. I use it with my 10-18mm zoom lens. Produces really nice images.
I do some concert photography, and some people complained of this sound 18:05 while I was taking pictures. LOL
Haha 😆
I often compare shooting a mirrorless or a phone with a DSLR as shooting a 22 compared to a 12G shot gun. It's the weigth, the ergonomics and you can feel the mirror and the shutter.
Very well put!
I upgraded my camera from a Nikon D40 to a Nikon D500 since it takes the same lenses. I also bought a Canon M50 Mark II so I could have a camera that would fit in the saddle bag of my Motorcycle easier than my big Nikon. I am very happy with both so far. I still have my D40 just because it delivers such amazing colors because of the type of sensor that in it.
All three are very cool and capable cameras!
The D500 will for sure become a legend as the highest end APS-C DSLR Nikon ever made. A professional tool capable of everything.
Also, I really like the M50 and also the fact that you have kept the D40. A classic!
A fair review of the two sensor type cameras and what you think of them. I have just started following you.
Thank you very much Chris both for the kind comment and for subscribing!
I purchased a mint condition Nikon D800e today! Can’t wait to try it out!
That is so great! You'll love it!
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I sure hope so! I’m coming from a Nikon D3300 so it should be a pretty good upgrade!
From watching most You Tube channels you would think every photographer shoots mirrorless and they have the very latest model of course. But when I'm out shooting in the fall amongst in the real world I seldom see mirrorless cameras. What I generally see are photographers mainly using Nikon and Canon DSLRs. Myself, I bought my D810 in 2015, it cost me $3,000 which was far more than I ever imagined paying for a camera. But it has been worth it as it is still my main camera 8 1/2 years later. However I bought a Z50 about three years ago for travel, hiking, and family shots and really like it as well.
Many thanks for sharing! And yes, the value the 810 provides over a long time span is just incredible.
Still got my trusted Nikon D500 and D7200 mainly for sports. Got a Z50 for 3 years now, and thinking of a Z5 or Z6ii, but I will still heavily use the DSLRs.
Great to hear! Cool setup btw!
Great discussion. I agree. dSLRs are worth holding onto and using .
Yes, they can be had for so little money - and cameras like the D850 and D6 are still top of the line!
Thank you for your comment John!
Hi Thomas! Been watching your videos and agree perfectly with your conclusions and suggestions on getting a Nikon DSLR with some AF-D series lenses. You are creating some really awesome content. And your website is great!
As a matter of fact... I went online last night and bought my first AF-D lens... a 60mm Micro Nikkor f2.8 af-d. I bought this as from what I have read and seen... it has great utility value and is sharp and has good colors and can be used for some casual portraits. But down the road I would like to get the AF-D lenses you recommended on your website.
Would like to ask your thoughts on this.... what made you end up with choosing a D800 specifically?
I ask this as the D750 looks like a good alternative choice as well...
Since it is a 24 MP, I think the raw files will take up less space. And perhaps not being such a high resolution sensor, camera shake might not be so much of an issue. Some people say that the D lenses are only good up to 24 MP sensors. Maybe also at higher ISO values, the D750 will be cleaner for short video clips?
I know people might scoff and think that Nikons are crap for video... but after struggling with bad Lumix autofocus... I think you can use manual focus to good effect to create short clips shot on. To illustrate the point... have a look at this shot on a D800
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But as some of us know... specs don't mean much. And so I am curious if you ever considered a D750 as it is somewhat similar in price to the D800.
It appears to me that the D750 on paper looks to be a more "manageable" camera ( assuming one doesn't need 36 MP of which I don't ). But I am sure that there is more to this then meets the eye...
I hope it comes across Thomas that I am actually asking for your advice and wisdom on what you think of buying a D750 as opposed to the D800 you settled on!
Hope you can share your wisdom on why you went with the D800 specifically...
Many thanks!
First and foremost: Thank you for your comment, the positive feedback is very encouraging!
Regarding the D750 vs. D800 - I have only tried the D750 for a very short period of time, but the few things I noticed:
1) I prefer the subtle differences of the control layout of the D800, so I would definitely recommend trying both cameras first in order to make a decision.
2) As I use the D800 also for scanning and reproduction photography, the 36MP make sense. Also, it offers a little bit more flexibility when cropping. If you've got a reasonably modern PC, it should be ok. But of course, 24MP is more manageable especially when you shoot high volume (fashion shows, sports, birding, etc.)
3) In the video department, the D800 is quite capable, although you have to use manual focus as you've already mentioned.
4) Regarding the D-lenses being only good for 24MP, I would not agree. Some Nikkor lens designs (e.g. your 60mm Macro) are so good, that I would not hesitate even using them on a D850. Also, the AiS Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 is also outstanding.
5) I prefer the round eyepiece of the D800
6) The two SD-card slots on the D750 are more convenient than the mixed CF/SD slots on the D800 for sure.
7) AF-performance - I think there is no meaningful difference. On paper, the D750 should be a little bit better.
To conclude, I think both cameras are excellent and you can't go wrong with either of those. Both have sensors with an almost legendary reputation.
Hope that helped - also consider the D780, which is significantly more expensive but an outstanding camera as well. Especially if you want video-AF.
Maybe holding them in your hands might help you to make a decision. Also, I will make a short video this week about the D800 being a "new classic", maybe that will help as well.
I LOVE my old DSLR's. I have mirrorless also. But I never use it. I have bougth a mic and a couple of LCD-panels for it, for video. But for everything else...DSLR. :)
Yes, thanks for sharing! DSLRs are awesome, great to read from a fellow DSLR-fan. Best, Thomas 📸
I think trying to put an "objective" advantage on DSLR vs Mirrorless comparison is mostly a moot point. I still use a D800 as my primary camera. IMO, its direct successor with similar ergonomics and button layout is Z8. Z8 is only 10 grams lighter than D800, and is smaller by 2 milimeters in width and height, and body itself (not mount) is actually longer by a milimeter. If I put a Z 24-70 f/4 on Z8, and 24-85 on D800, D800+lens will end up actually lighter by 5 grams and only 11 mm longer than a Z8 with comperable lens. All that for 12 times the price... My point? While I can name a 20 points Z8 would destroy my D800, "size and weight" is not an automatic advantage of mirrorless cameras.
Bringing up lighter mirrorless cameras like Z5/6/7 as a worthy upgrade to my D800 is an "unfair" argument. Sure they are lighter, but at the cost of NOT having half dozen buttons I'd like to have. Z8 and D800 have similar dimensions because designers need that size if they want to pack in so many buttons and connectors etc and also make the camera feel nice to hold. If my highest priority was getting a lightweight camera, D800 wouldn't even be on my list. Even for full frame I would have gotten a Canon 6D and shaved 200 grams easily. Sure, there are lighter cameras out there, be it DSLR or mirrorless or likes of cybershot. All comes with a different cost/benefit ratio.
As a side note... While I fully understand portability is one factor in deciding what to buy (afterall I would never buy something like D4/5 or RB67), I don't understand people making it the ONLY factor. I saw many people just wanting "a" camera, not even thinking about why they need a camera in the first place, let alone taking time to research what features may be important for them. They usually end up buying the lighest/smallest mirrorless without even looking at the specs of their body/lens once. For someone willing to make every possible sacrifice for ease of portability, I dare say even lightest camera is too heavy. Why not just use your cell phone's camera which adds 0 grams to the backpack? Most phones take more than good enough photos for daily use cases.
I will have to "somewhat" disagree on cheaper glass though. One "objective" advantage of Mirrorless cameras are their lenses are genearlly very good. Sure, I can (and DO) use a 20+ year old 24-85 AF-D on an old Nikon DSLR for a fraction of the price, but at wider apertures its optically nowhere close to a comperable Z lens. A relatively modern 24-120 f/4 is just as sharp, but its also much more expensive. Going to top end in this focal range, a Z-mount 24-70 f/2.8 is only 10% more expensive than its F mount VR version brand new. At which point I'd go for the Z-mount version, because its even sharper and more future proof and will hold its value better. Same applies to primes as well. A Z mount 50mm f/1.8 will cost 4 times as much as its F-mount cousin, but they are not in same weight class. Similarly performing alternative for F-mount exist (Sigma Art 50mm f/1.4) but it also cames with the similar price tag as the Z-mount 50mm.
TLDR; Optics on latest F-mount Nikkor lenses are 8 to 20+ years old depending on focal length and times move on. New Z mount lenses are not expensive for nothing, they also perform significantly better.
Speaking of cheap lenses, here's one advantage on mirrorless side. with EVF, you can zoom in to a 100% pixel level on viewfinder on mirrorless and easily manual focus your vintage lenses. Likes of Takumars or Planars are true beasts and dirt cheap compared to modern glass.
Thanks for an extensive, very interesting contribution!
I recently came into the D800E (I’ve been shooting Sony full frame mirror less for a few years). I’m loving the the D800E more and more. It just feels more like what I feel a camera should feel like. I won’t dump my Sony (because I adapt a number of vintage lenses including Nikon pre-Ai lenses). But the D800 doesn’t feel too large and heavy to me when coupled with a well-balanced Nikon D prime lens.
As you've stated, a camera is not only about performance but also about handling and "feeling".
The Nikon D800 is fortunately both great to handle and an excellent image taking machine.
Adapting lenses to mirrorless cameras is of course awesome, as MF assist options make a lot of sense.
I also have a Mirrorless system, OM System M43. It is not as well suited for adapting FF lenses as your Sony.
Thanks for your comment, there is a place for DSLRs in an increasingly mirrorless world 🙂
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I was thinking of buying a m43, most likely em1 mark1 and use the classic manual focus lenses adapted. Could you please share why you think m43 is not good compared to Sony alpha for adapted lenses.
I love my D800E.
Some competing thoughts from my experience switching to mirrorless:
DSLRs sometimes need calibration to get autofocus working properly. When I owned a D800, some lenses simply would not autofocus sharply. The calibration process is difficult and never worked perfectly for me. It was very disappointing to get a new lens and not have it perform well.
Once I got a Z6, this was no longer a problem for those same lenses! No more need for lens calibrations is a huge improvement for me.
Handheld macro photography is something I enjoy on occasion, and it is substantially better with a mirrorless camera. This type of photography is usually impractical though a viewfinder, so live view is useful. Shooting in live view on a DSLRs from my experience is too slow to take burst shots, an important technique for this kind of work (to reduce camera shake and grab shots with different areas in focus for focus stacks).
Using manual focus lenses on a mirrorless cameras is far superior, since they have focus peaking and magnification features available in the electronic viewfinder. It's much more precise than a green dot with arrows available in the viewfinder of a DSLR for example. I never found it much fun to shoot with vintage lenses on a DSLR for this reason -- they're not like old film cameras with a focusing screen to assist.
The silent shutter option on mirrorless is indispensable in many situations, especially street photography or quiet events. I do miss the classic thunk of a DSLR shutter sometimes though!
DSLR has its charm, but it's not the everyday choice if you ask me. Used Z6 bodies now sell for under $900, a great value for the many advantages offered over older bodies. Battery life hasn't been an issue for me. There are other hidden costs like CFexpress/XQD cards and the FTZ adapter that add up, but it's well worth it from my experience.
I don't regret selling my D800 or D5500, but one of these days I'll buy an older DSLR just for the fun appeal and nostalgia.
Not competing at all - those are all valid points of yours, thanks for contributing.
Regarding focusing manual lenses - I've got a video about that. The trick is to use the proper technique, the "old photojournalist technique" to be more precise hehe.
The FTZ is great, but there is no AF support for AF-D lenses. A huge downside, unfortunately.
Apart from that, mirrorless is great for many things - so are DSLRs. The most prominent misconception is that a FF mirrorless is light than a FF DSLR setup, which it is not.
Again, many thanks for the great contribution of yours!
Loved the video nice tips. I have Nikon d90,,2 d300,,, d40,,,d7000,, looking out for d800, believe it is the champion for landscape photography.
Awesome! Well, your models are also very good ones. I'm also using a D7000 from time to time, and the image quality is very good. In any case, the D800 is quite cool and definitely worth the money. Thanks for the comment!
I know exactly what you mean. After years of using film, then APS-C digital, I finally got a Canon 5dII a couple of years ago and love it.
However, there was one thing that niggled me - I have drawers full of manual focus lenses the while they can mostly be shot on the Canon, they've not automatic aperture control. Step forward the Nikon D600, which can use old AI, AI-S glass, which i have a lot of and can use almost seamlessly.
Now if Pentax K1 prices drop to a reasonably cheap level, I can grab one of those and be able to use some more of my drawersful.
I wouldn't buy a mirrorless camera - I hate that the only viewfinder is the rear screen, or an electronic image on an eyepiece. Give me an optical prism any day.
Yes, agreed!
I'm also considering Pentax - the K-1 is really a fantastic camera. Great feature set, it is a Nikon D800++ ;-)
Thanks for contributing!
I have it D800 almost new shutter count 2230 , impossible to find it in this condition
That is so nice to hear - the D800 is really a fantastic camera. Thanks for the comments!
The weight advantage of mirrorless cameras is a bit more substantial than you suggest. The shorter flange distance allows for more compact lense designs. The RF (mirrorless) version of my favourite lens, the Canon 70-200 2.8L, is about 1/3 shorter and 1/3 lighter than the EF (SLR) version of the lens. And that adds to the difference in weight and size of the bodies.
Yes, thanks for adding that!
Coming from Nikon mostly (also Pentax) many lenses without AF motors are available for DSLRs, which are lighter and smaller than mirrorless lenses. That influenced my statement of course. And of course the battery issue.
I agree that everyone has a different definition of what is substantial and what is not.
I sold my DSLRs for new Nikon Z mirrorless. Guess what...the full frame Nikon Z mirrorless are going back. I'm keeping the Zfc because it looks retro, and in the mail I have coming a mint D500 kit. I will wait for mirrorless to get better, more lenses, better AF and longer battery, but nothing beats DSLR for AF, viewfinder, and battery life (and they're also tough!!).
I completely agree - thanks for being honest and sharing that. I also had the Z7II, which is a great camera, but it really had nothing that made me keep it over a Nikon D800.
Congratulations on getting the D500, this is probably the best APSC stills camera on the market right now - together with the K-3III, which is also very cool.
Couldn't agree more. Thanks for this video.
My pleasure!
I’ve taken my old 5D mkII on holiday many a time with the 40mm pancake and couldn’t ask for a better holiday camera. The raw file size is respectable and I’m not constantly reaching for new cf cards, and the interface uncluttered and does everything I need and no more. The lens is just that touch wider than normal lens which is perfect and super compact for a trip.
Yes, I hear you!
I've recently purchased an old 5D I, I'm getting the same impressions - no clutter, just a camera that gets the job done. Also, I don't break a sweat when someone bumps it.
Thanks for the comment!
I can't imagine how you and anyone else can manage with the angle of view of a 40mm focal length lens; majority of my photos are shot with 20mm to 24mm wide-angle lenses; I am baffled how you can photograph holiday locations with a standard focal length, and how you manage to photograph architecture with that lens.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHOwell it’s a matter of preference isn’t it Mike, but I’m sure that’s a fact that also baffles you.
I bought my D7100 in 2015, such an amazing camera! Still my main camera for landscape and go hiking.
This year I bought an used D500 in mint condition with only 19k shots. This camera is still the best option for sports and wildlife in the market, considering its amazing AF performance, its outstanding 10 fps speed. Plus any newer camera with similar AF and speed performance, will be a full frame, then cropping to a DX format to have the same reach, I'll get less resolution than the 21 MP of the D500.
This camera is still unbeatable for my skiing photography and World Cup Skiing races photography were I need to carry the camera and a couple of telephoto lenses around the mountain and obtain professional results. And really who needs 45 or more Mpix and pay 3 or 4 times its price for a less reliable performance?
Nikon recently discontinued this camera. So if you can get one in great condition, don't miss it!
Thank you very much for sharing your personal camera story!
The D500 is a legend and by coincidence, I am very closely watching the second hand market for one right now - prices are coming down, but this will not last (same was with the Df when it was discontinued). I will pick one up without hesitation if the price is right.
Thanks for the tip, and I agree - 45MP is definitely not a precondition for for professional photos (or photography in general).
Your comment is much appreciated, Roberto.
Awesome! I love my D500, D750m and the amazing D4sS. I also shoot dual EM1Xs. Cheers!
Thank you for sharing that - I've also considered getting the D4s - such a great camera. Also love the design of it a lot.
Yeah, I am DSLR supporter. I just got 2 this year.
Awesome! Welcome aboard!
Congratulations on having the guts to expose the actual reality.
Thank you very much - I have to admit that I was a little bit upset by the constant "DSLRs are dead" articles on the web. Especially as this camera type has unique traits compared to mirrorless cameras and should therefore not be disregarded.
As being amateur photographer and not earning money from photography i can't speak much about high end cameras, but I used fair amount of budget ones. When you can budget for Sony A6000 or canon m50 etc in fact dslr's might be the better choice. I use canon 250d (SL3) and from my perspective i often take adventage of it being a DSLR. First and formost- long exposure photography during a night, while on LiveU mode (which is pretty much the same as m50) you can have problems with autofocus on dark object, especially when using 3rd party lens. Optical viewfinder focuses everytime in any scenario even if it's only 9 dots or 11, but often it's enough, m50 for example won't see any stars or any dark objects in shadow to focus on and you have to blindly focus to infinity and on first couple of photos check if it's correct. Secondly, when you are type of guy who can go for a trip for 8 hours constantly taking Pictures your optical viewfinder will take care of your eyes. And thirdly- battery isn't your any concern it's just impossible to go out of battery during a day, but I must admit that in mirrorless you can just buy spare batteries. I find it usefull especially in the case of canon 250d that on liveu you have pretty much m50 mirrorless, but when you go into optical viewfinder you have some new capabilities instead of just different screen.
Thank you very much for this great comment - I agree completely with what you've stated!
Having an optical viewfinder can really be a make or brake feature.
Great contribution!