I WISH it was class D!! I would’ve just got that!! I have a pioneer lx901 which is class D but I want to upgrade. I’m thinking to do the x4800 + external class D amp. I feel it’s kind of a waste but oh well..
What will happen to Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Vol when Dirac calibration filters are uploaded? How many memory slots (speaker config) will be available for Dirac and Audyssey? If Dynamic EQ/vol is not applicable to Dirac, then we need at least 4 memory slots for different listening volumes... Is the Audyssey/Dirac processing carried out at 96kHz or is it still at 48kHz?
The 4800 seems a bit more upscale due to being manufactured in the Japan factory, the price certainly reflects the improved quality. It would have been nice if it would have an upscale DAC chip compared to its siblings. I know that there is currently a DAC chip shortage due to the fire and pandemic etc, but the TI chip doesn't measure well in the text bench drag races that some reviewers like to do. This is going to hurt sales of this unit.
I have had the X6700H for a year and 3 months that was made in Japan and I thought the same thing until I started having problems with 2 (so far) HDMI ports that stopped functioning. I will stick to the cheaper stuff in the future as all 3 of my bargain avr's from 2007-2009 all still function perfectly from Denon and Yamaha.
Denon could make a big favor to the community by implementing 3800/4800 class unit WITHOUT amplification, just like prepro. Right now to get more channels and/or features you need to buy more and more expensive unit, up to $7,000 and higher. I aint buying it. All I need is 4800 without amplification + more processed channels, and balanced preouts. All in sub $1,000 territory. This unit doesnt need bulky transformer, power supply and other heavy shit.
Gene of Audioholics has apparently discussed this with manufacturers and the reason this doesn't ever happen is that the consumer market for pre-pros is very small compared to receivers. Just not many people out there buying Pre-pros. Manufacturing cost is in large part effected by the economies of scale. If they order 1000 pre-pros to be manufactured vs 50,000 amplifiers...they just don't get the price down to where you think it would and it actually ends up being even more expensive to the consumer that just buying a receiver. So you would never get the unicorn price of $1,000 for a pre-pro. It would likely cost $2,000 or more because the volume just isn't there. Sucks cause I'm with you. I would love to have an affordable pre-pro but the world of people that even know what a pre-pro is is very small. The market is in fact moving towards Sound bars if anything. So this dream is just not likely to happen. The budget pre-pros out there kinda suck with features. They just are so bare bones. I really want a Pre-Pro with Auro 3D for example...just hard to find at any reasonable price. So to me...the 3800h is very much like an affordable pre-pro within my price range. I'm already running 5 of my 9 channels to external amp and want to have all channels amped eventually.
99% they will not. I asked direct question to Dirac office and they football me to Massimo. My forecast is next model year will have updated DSP with Dirac ART capability.
I have the AVC-X6500H that came out a couple of years ago in a 7.2.4 set up with two power amps powering the Front PMC speakers and have enjoyed it for a few years now. Shame the App was only available in Apple format but I understand the new Audyssey is now both formats
@@totalplonker824 PMC 24's but I have two power amps also connected to the 6500 so they do all the work, the 6500 runs the centre, surround, rear surrounds and atmos speakers
@@totalplonker824 Mainly Dub, Reggae, Acid House, Jungle etc but I listen to everything new on Qobuz each week. I use a Qutest Dac for music with Sbooster power supply, Sotm Streamer with Sbooster power supply but probably the best thing ive done so far is treat all my room properly. I would recommend everyone to learn acoustics then treat their space.
Fine products, but I miss a few things, which, as far as I know, not even the AVC A1H has to offer: - multichannel analog inputs - Heos multichannel ability. Even a cheap Fire TV stick can output Tidal Atmos. - also Flac multichannel would have been nice. I would at least expect that for the AVC A1H. - „sharpness“ option in video settings (which my Denon 4520 has) - no display on remote control (which my 4520 still has) Btw. one shouldn´t be too proud of an HD onscreen menu, now that we have 4K devices since years. 2 more question: - as far as I know, Audyssee always works with 48khz internally, even if the source is 96khz or higher. What about Dirac? - do Marantz Cinema AVRs have AL 32 processing?
Any update on the "bug" that Denon and Marantz AVs do not pass HDR metadata constantly to JVC projectors? Will there be a firmware update for all and previous models?
I just received the X4800H and have a couple of issues with it. First, the subwoofer setup in Audyssey does not work. The on screen setup tells you to turn up the subwoofer to 75db but it stays at 30db on screen no matter how high the volume is in the subwoofer. Secondly. I get frequent audio drops that are only a split second while watching TV on the ARC. I will return it if Denon doesn’t have a fix. BTW, it is running the latest firmware.
Hi, I have just purchased the 48000H and noticed that under Speaker>>Manual Set Up a setting for Tactile Transducers. My question is can you connect say via a subwoofer y splitter (1RCAto2RCA lead) the transducer directly to any one of the 4 subwoofer outputs or do you require a separate amp? Any help appreciated.
How does the 4800h compare to the cinema 50 I got the 4800h for 32 percent off on Amazon price match with bestbuy I have an old sr5008 can trade in for 20 percent off till nov 10th is it worth the jump up not using Dirac yet
I am hoping someone can help me get this AVR back to playing Dolby Atmos when it is available. My friend accidentally pressed the movie (green) button on the remote and now it only goes through movie audio options and the same goes for music (red button) and game (purple) . Will I need to reset my AVR in order to get it back to normal or is there a single button I can push on the remote?
Hi there. Is Denon extending these updates to its previous models? I own a fairly new Denon AVC-X4700H. It had a problem with its network card. Although the card was replaced under warranty, the unit had never been the same as new. Are owners such as myself benefit from any(if not all) of these updates you're taking about?.......🤔🤔🤔
@Miners cat Will DENON release a software update to support/update these new changes for my unit (2021 &2022 units)? They need to stand by their products.
Honestly the 4700h right now is a bad buy given that the 3800h is now out. I had purchased and returned the 4700 and picked up the 3800 instead. Thankfully I was within my BestBuy return window to do so. 3800 is within the newer line that is getting all of these updates and has the newer GUI. Also has all proper modern HDMI 2.1 ports where 4700 only has one. Has the 4 Subwoofer outputs and support for directional subs (put 4 subs in 4 corners of the room and the Denon will output the localized bass from a given channel to the closest sub in that corner). 3800 will get Dirac Live upgrade ability in March 2023. Only thing 4700 has going for it is slightly more power output but both receivers are begging for external amplification anyway so that slight bump is a wash. In summary I say again…don’t buy the 4700 in 2023…instead grab the 3800h.
@@JonMoralesLA I've owned the 4700 for nearly 12 months now, so my best option is to sell. Hopefully, I could recoup enough money and try to get the 3800. Chasing all these updates on a yearly basis is beginning to get to me now.
Biggest reason I switched my old Denon x6300 to a Pioneer lx901 was because of the ridiculous amount of heat it gave off. But sadly not really much options anymore for Class D AVR’s & I’d like to upgrade..
Great informative session. Thank you for that. I'm very hesitant between the 4800 and the 6700. Dirac, 4 subs, new GUI and 2.1 are not really important to me. The 6700 has more power and more channels. Does the 6700 have the same quality parts as the 4800? Does the 6700 have better audio quality than the 4800 since it is a higher model? Am I wise, with an eye to the future, to buy the 2 years older 6700 or is the 4800 a better receiver?
think twice: any standalone power amplifier will destroy these Denons. And you reeeealy underestimate Dirac, 4 subs and new DSP as a whole. 3800 with external amplifier will give you better volume and quality of sound. 6700 has 11.2 vs 9.4 on 3800/4800, but this is still not enough for some formats (say 13.4 dts or so).
@@jelleschaftenaar4669 not sure, but most likely - yes. He said they have trickeled down some features from upper models down the line. But anyway I doubt these changes could justify $1,000 difference bt 3800/4800 🤦🏻♂️
@@level80888 I’m in line with your thinking. I jumped in at the 3800h and bought an Outlaw 5000x Amp. I will gladly purchase Dirac Live upgrade when available and eventually externally amplify the rest of my speakers as well. I have an Auro 3D speaker layout with the base 5.1.4. Height speakers setup as front and rear heights. I use my Outlaw amp to power the base layers. I see The 3800 as a pre-pro. One of the most affordable Pre-Pros that has Audyssey, Auro 3D and Dirac Live all in the same box.
I doubt they are going to do that. It looks like they are reserving the new UI and all of these new updates for the newer 2022/2023 lineup - 2800, 3800,4800 and so on.
@@hj8607 I'm not concerned with playing through Alexa, it's the voice commands to turn on the Denon and play music from say Spotify that doesn't work as advertised.
I have the 3800 and in my 5.1.4 setup I have 5 Martin Logan Motion speakers that are 4 ohms and they were driven just fine by the 3800h. I added an Outlaw 5000x to power all of the 4 ohm Martin Logans and noticed an increase in directionality of the sound during movies. Objects moving around seemed to be more precise in their placement with amplification. Didn’t really test on 2 channel listening as that just not my jam. My setup is for home cinema.
13:55 Auro3D will not work with Atmos speaker layout. At least A3D inventor did not approve it. Main requirement is that hight speakers placed NOT closer to listener than bed level speaker: with common ceiling hight in USA of 7-8' its not physically possible.
I agree with you that Auro 3D is not supposed to have speakers setup directly overhead. I do think it’s great that at least people who have that overhead Dolby speaker layout can still turn on Auro 3D if they want with the upcoming update. Before Auro 3D would simply not show up as an option if you chose certain height layouts. But for sure people using a Dolby Atmos layout with top heights are not going to have an ideal Auro 3D experience with speakers set up like that I would think…as I have not tested Auro in a Dolby speaker layout.
This was an informative session. I hope some of these upcoming March updates apply to some of the legacy devices.
Not any chance at all of that happening, these companies need a reason to convince you to upgrade your AVR/AVP every year or so ;)
Wating for a X6800 that has Class D amplification like Marantz is beginning to encorporate.
I WISH it was class D!! I would’ve just got that!!
I have a pioneer lx901 which is class D but I want to upgrade. I’m thinking to do the x4800 + external class D amp.
I feel it’s kind of a waste but oh well..
Nice. I wish it inherited the 7.1 analog in from the 8500, but it still a great product.
What will happen to Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Vol when Dirac calibration filters are uploaded? How many memory slots (speaker config) will be available for Dirac and Audyssey? If Dynamic EQ/vol is not applicable to Dirac, then we need at least 4 memory slots for different listening volumes... Is the Audyssey/Dirac processing carried out at 96kHz or is it still at 48kHz?
DEQ is not available for Dirac. Basically you have speaker preset 1 for Audyssey and 2 for Dirac (which has 3 slots for saving)
For an organisation dealing with audio equipment why is your vocal sound quality so poor?
The 4800 seems a bit more upscale due to being manufactured in the Japan factory, the price certainly reflects the improved quality. It would have been nice if it would have an upscale DAC chip compared to its siblings. I know that there is currently a DAC chip shortage due to the fire and pandemic etc, but the TI chip doesn't measure well in the text bench drag races that some reviewers like to do. This is going to hurt sales of this unit.
I have had the X6700H for a year and 3 months that was made in Japan and I thought the same thing until I started having problems with 2 (so far) HDMI ports that stopped functioning. I will stick to the cheaper stuff in the future as all 3 of my bargain avr's from 2007-2009 all still function perfectly from Denon and Yamaha.
Denon could make a big favor to the community by implementing 3800/4800 class unit WITHOUT amplification, just like prepro. Right now to get more channels and/or features you need to buy more and more expensive unit, up to $7,000 and higher. I aint buying it. All I need is 4800 without amplification + more processed channels, and balanced preouts. All in sub $1,000 territory. This unit doesnt need bulky transformer, power supply and other heavy shit.
Gene of Audioholics has apparently discussed this with manufacturers and the reason this doesn't ever happen is that the consumer market for pre-pros is very small compared to receivers. Just not many people out there buying Pre-pros. Manufacturing cost is in large part effected by the economies of scale. If they order 1000 pre-pros to be manufactured vs 50,000 amplifiers...they just don't get the price down to where you think it would and it actually ends up being even more expensive to the consumer that just buying a receiver. So you would never get the unicorn price of $1,000 for a pre-pro. It would likely cost $2,000 or more because the volume just isn't there.
Sucks cause I'm with you. I would love to have an affordable pre-pro but the world of people that even know what a pre-pro is is very small. The market is in fact moving towards Sound bars if anything. So this dream is just not likely to happen.
The budget pre-pros out there kinda suck with features. They just are so bare bones. I really want a Pre-Pro with Auro 3D for example...just hard to find at any reasonable price. So to me...the 3800h is very much like an affordable pre-pro within my price range. I'm already running 5 of my 9 channels to external amp and want to have all channels amped eventually.
@@JonMoralesLA agree for 3800, but you still paying for parts you dont need. I got nothing to do but pay for it too.
I truly hope you will add Dirac ART. I will upgrade my X4500H to the X4800H in a second if you do.
99% they will not. I asked direct question to Dirac office and they football me to Massimo. My forecast is next model year will have updated DSP with Dirac ART capability.
@@level80888 we'll see. If base control works, ART should too, according to Dirac.
I have the AVC-X6500H that came out a couple of years ago in a 7.2.4 set up with two power amps powering the Front PMC speakers and have enjoyed it for a few years now. Shame the App was only available in Apple format but I understand the new Audyssey is now both formats
Just wondering what PMC speakers you are running with 6500
@@totalplonker824 PMC 24's but I have two power amps also connected to the 6500 so they do all the work, the 6500 runs the centre, surround, rear surrounds and atmos speakers
@@BoredSilly666 nice stereo speakers!
So what 2-ch/movies listening habits do you have mate..
@@totalplonker824 Mainly Dub, Reggae, Acid House, Jungle etc but I listen to everything new on Qobuz each week. I use a Qutest Dac for music with Sbooster power supply, Sotm Streamer with Sbooster power supply but probably the best thing ive done so far is treat all my room properly. I would recommend everyone to learn acoustics then treat their space.
One last question if I may.. CABLES, can you list your RCAs and speaker cables please
loving the sbooster supply... future shop perhaps.
Fine products, but I miss a few things, which, as far as I know, not even the AVC A1H has to offer:
- multichannel analog inputs
- Heos multichannel ability. Even a cheap Fire TV stick can output Tidal Atmos.
- also Flac multichannel would have been nice. I would at least expect that for the AVC A1H.
- „sharpness“ option in video settings (which my Denon 4520 has)
- no display on remote control (which my 4520 still has)
Btw. one shouldn´t be too proud of an HD onscreen menu, now that we have 4K devices since years.
2 more question:
- as far as I know, Audyssee always works with 48khz internally, even if the source is 96khz or higher. What about Dirac?
- do Marantz Cinema AVRs have AL 32 processing?
you dont understand: its 1080p 60(!) hz. Omg, lol. Even damn iphone can 120hz nowadays...
@@level80888 don't understand, what you are referring to in my comment.
No multichannel flac? That is a letdown. My older (2013) Had this function. Do you know if the Marantz Cinema and Yamaha A6A allow for this?
@@MykWazowski Which Denon was that? My 4520 from 2013 only supports 2 channel Flac.
@@stefanklein1863 Applogies, forgot to mention the brand and model. It is a Onkyo Tx-929. It plays 2 and multichannel flac vis USB and network.
What is the differemce in hardware between the x4800h and the Cinema 40?
Any update on the "bug" that Denon and Marantz AVs do not pass HDR metadata constantly to JVC projectors? Will there be a firmware update for all and previous models?
Nice units. Could use a facelift though
When dirac is enabled, does it:
1) work with directional bass?
2) work with lfe+main?
I just received the X4800H and have a couple of issues with it. First, the subwoofer setup in Audyssey does not work. The on screen setup tells you to turn up the subwoofer to 75db but it stays at 30db on screen no matter how high the volume is in the subwoofer. Secondly. I get frequent audio drops that are only a split second while watching TV on the ARC. I will return it if Denon doesn’t have a fix. BTW, it is running the latest firmware.
When is the X6800H going to be released.
Hi,
I have just purchased the 48000H and noticed that under Speaker>>Manual Set Up a setting for Tactile Transducers. My question is can you connect say via a subwoofer y splitter (1RCAto2RCA lead) the transducer directly to any one of the 4 subwoofer outputs or do you require a separate amp? Any help appreciated.
The TR option is so that the output is not treated by the corrections as for TR you want a clean output.
How does the 4800h compare to the cinema 50 I got the 4800h for 32 percent off on Amazon price match with bestbuy I have an old sr5008 can trade in for 20 percent off till nov 10th is it worth the jump up not using Dirac yet
I am hoping someone can help me get this AVR back to playing Dolby Atmos when it is available. My friend accidentally pressed the movie (green) button on the remote and now it only goes through movie audio options and the same goes for music (red button) and game (purple) . Will I need to reset my AVR in order to get it back to normal or is there a single button I can push on the remote?
Seeing the X6700H up have sharc griffin lite DSP. Why can't they run dirac live with firmware update. The dsp is powerful enough to dirac live.
Can Auro 3D be used with 6 height speakers (front height, surround height & surround back height) on any Denon AVR?
What version of Bluetooth in the 4800?
AVR-X6800H?
the 8500ha now takes that place
I think it's poor that the products doesn't come with Dirac lite for free or being able to choose which room correction you want to come for free.
Hi there.
Is Denon extending these updates to its previous models?
I own a fairly new Denon AVC-X4700H. It had a problem with its network card. Although the card was replaced under warranty, the unit had never been the same as new.
Are owners such as myself benefit from any(if not all) of these updates you're taking about?.......🤔🤔🤔
no, your unit supports only Auro3D. All other features - 8K ports, Dirac, etc - require new DSP.
@Miners cat
Will DENON release a software update to support/update these new changes for my unit (2021 &2022 units)?
They need to stand by their products.
@@venus263 again, your unit has an older SoC (DSP) which does not support new features. Get rid of it while it has residue value. Sorry.
Honestly the 4700h right now is a bad buy given that the 3800h is now out. I had purchased and returned the 4700 and picked up the 3800 instead. Thankfully I was within my BestBuy return window to do so.
3800 is within the newer line that is getting all of these updates and has the newer GUI. Also has all proper modern HDMI 2.1 ports where 4700 only has one. Has the 4 Subwoofer outputs and support for directional subs (put 4 subs in 4 corners of the room and the Denon will output the localized bass from a given channel to the closest sub in that corner). 3800 will get Dirac Live upgrade ability in March 2023. Only thing 4700 has going for it is slightly more power output but both receivers are begging for external amplification anyway so that slight bump is a wash.
In summary I say again…don’t buy the 4700 in 2023…instead grab the 3800h.
@@JonMoralesLA
I've owned the 4700 for nearly 12 months now, so my best option is to sell. Hopefully, I could recoup enough money and try to get the 3800. Chasing all these updates on a yearly basis is beginning to get to me now.
Hi and thanks for a review. Which one runs cooler - 3800 vs 4800? 3800 runs really hot, what about 4800?
Biggest reason I switched my old Denon x6300 to a Pioneer lx901 was because of the ridiculous amount of heat it gave off. But sadly not really much options anymore for Class D AVR’s & I’d like to upgrade..
Great informative session. Thank you for that.
I'm very hesitant between the 4800 and the 6700. Dirac, 4 subs, new GUI and 2.1 are not really important to me.
The 6700 has more power and more channels.
Does the 6700 have the same quality parts as the 4800?
Does the 6700 have better audio quality than the 4800 since it is a higher model?
Am I wise, with an eye to the future, to buy the 2 years older 6700 or is the 4800 a better receiver?
think twice: any standalone power amplifier will destroy these Denons. And you reeeealy underestimate Dirac, 4 subs and new DSP as a whole. 3800 with external amplifier will give you better volume and quality of sound. 6700 has 11.2 vs 9.4 on 3800/4800, but this is still not enough for some formats (say 13.4 dts or so).
@@level80888 but the 4800, 6700, 8500ha and ah1 have the same monolitic amplifiers?
@@jelleschaftenaar4669 not sure, but most likely - yes. He said they have trickeled down some features from upper models down the line. But anyway I doubt these changes could justify $1,000 difference bt 3800/4800 🤦🏻♂️
@@level80888 I’m in line with your thinking. I jumped in at the 3800h and bought an Outlaw 5000x Amp. I will gladly purchase Dirac Live upgrade when available and eventually externally amplify the rest of my speakers as well. I have an Auro 3D speaker layout with the base 5.1.4. Height speakers setup as front and rear heights.
I use my Outlaw amp to power the base layers. I see The 3800 as a pre-pro. One of the most affordable Pre-Pros that has Audyssey, Auro 3D and Dirac Live all in the same box.
@@JonMoralesLA cool. 95% of Atmos tracks are trash anyway, so Auro3D upmixer has a lot of work to do.
Does it offer Dirac Live Bass Control and Dirac ART?
How does it play in stereo?
Is it possible for the x1700 to get the new 1080 GUI through an update
I doubt they are going to do that. It looks like they are reserving the new UI and all of these new updates for the newer 2022/2023 lineup - 2800, 3800,4800 and so on.
Why does Alexa integration not work and is always stated as offline for Denon receiver.
all audio through Alexa is compressed (better streaming options available : (smart TV with ethernet connection etc.))
@@hj8607 I'm not concerned with playing through Alexa, it's the voice commands to turn on the Denon and play music from say Spotify that doesn't work as advertised.
Curious what the X6800H will be specs wise...
There is no x6800h.
Why oh why can't get the silver option in the U.S?
bc its ugly and unpractical
@@level80888 nah
How does it handle a 4ohm load?
I have the 3800 and in my 5.1.4 setup I have 5 Martin Logan Motion speakers that are 4 ohms and they were driven just fine by the 3800h. I added an Outlaw 5000x to power all of the 4 ohm Martin Logans and noticed an increase in directionality of the sound during movies. Objects moving around seemed to be more precise in their placement with amplification. Didn’t really test on 2 channel listening as that just not my jam. My setup is for home cinema.
Roon Ready?
why i need this video outputs ? its amp so why i need to run my video stuff in this ?
Really like Denon's AVR' s but why have Denon not yet incorporated a backlit remote, seems a basic requirement for a home entertainment system.
Yeah it should be available as a purchasable upgrade at the very least.
they reserved it for marantz. What a clouns.
My Denon AVR 4311 has a backlit remote, so the question is, why did they stop making backlit remotes..
Denon just looks dreary and bland. Probably the most hideous AV Receiver in the market, second only to Arcam.😖
I think integra is pretty ugly too, worse than any of the two you listed.
@@nebtheweb8885 Yeah Integra’s another ugly Betty.😄
5:56 remote is still not backlit. Is it so difficult? This is just an embarassment.
13:55 Auro3D will not work with Atmos speaker layout. At least A3D inventor did not approve it. Main requirement is that hight speakers placed NOT closer to listener than bed level speaker: with common ceiling hight in USA of 7-8' its not physically possible.
I agree with you that Auro 3D is not supposed to have speakers setup directly overhead. I do think it’s great that at least people who have that overhead Dolby speaker layout can still turn on Auro 3D if they want with the upcoming update. Before Auro 3D would simply not show up as an option if you chose certain height layouts.
But for sure people using a Dolby Atmos layout with top heights are not going to have an ideal Auro 3D experience with speakers set up like that I would think…as I have not tested Auro in a Dolby speaker layout.