Just bought the 4800, really just on a whim because the 3800 wasn’t in stock, and was a bit worried that I had made another foolish impulse buy, but thanks to this video, you’ve alleviated my concerns. I am so happy I pulled the trigger on it, thanks Man, I’ve liked and subscribed.
In upgrading my current Denon 4311 I was considering the 4800 but the price is outrageous compared to the 3800. I use preouts to a power amp anyway so I don't need the extra watts. Then I saw the new Onkyo RZ30 with dirac included. Adding dirac to the 3800 brings the price approx the same as the Onkyo so I'm now a bit conflicted lol. My last 4 AVRs have been Denon but that Onkyo looks enticing for a change. I want to try dirac to see if it is an improvement over audyssey xt32.
@@homecinemaking397 Any reasons to not look at the Onkyo? On paper it looks pretty good. Latest tech...new HDMI boards, dirac included. I have been a Denon fan however 20 years since the 3805 which replaced a Rotel. The Rotel sounded great but had reliability issues that I couldn't live with. I lost money replacing it with the 3805 but...that's life.
@ onkyo have been one foot in the grave for years, reliability issues and on paper yes but in real life no, they greatly over rate there units. Just have a look at my Pioneer video, i dont want that unit for free. They are basically Denon and Marantz, Pioneer and Onkyo.
@@johnstjohn6540 we never know what the new thing around the corner is. Atmos has been around for ages now, newest thing currently is the 4 subwoofers. Next i dont know🤷♂️
From 105W to 125W is not a significant jump in power at all, especially in something like an audio amp. Speaking in terms of dB, it means essentially nothing, as the 20 extra Watts results in about 0,7dB higher SPL.
I’m glad that you came to the same logical conclusion that I did. The increased price is not worth it, because an added amp would be a bigger upgrade, or adding Dirac if you have a smaller room and don’t need an amp. If you have 95dB+ sensitive speakers you may want to go with the 4800h due to the 10dB lower noise floor. You can compare the measurements of both AVRs at AudioSceinceReview. The 4800 is a little better all around, but not massively so.
@@homecinemaking397 ✌️ Also went with a 9.2 Klipsch R800 set up with dual R121sw and r50 as rears and atmos and the R30c. Will eventually use the R800 for rears and go the RP8000 path for fronts. When your sound is finally the size of your tv...what a difference lol.
Wish to upgrade my Polk Tsi 100 (using as surrounds) . Which would be a good surround upgrade? Ordered a new Denon AVC x4800 and the upgrades should be compatible with the receiver. Btw my fronts are Polk reserve R600 !
I see the x4800 is 34 lbs. Compared to the Lx805, that's 48 lbs, which is really light. Is the amp on the x4800 that beefy despite the weight. Makes me question it.
@@homecinemaking397 I would not mind getting the x4800 because I can toggle from dirac and xt32 after I calibrate each. But expensive avr and having to upgrade to dirac even more.
@@homecinemaking397 Thanks.... it's just a 5.1 setup with in ceiling speakers, a Panasonic UB9000, Samsung 65" 4K panel, Polk RTi12 mains, Polk CSi30 center and Polk PSW350 sub. System is used only for film watching through the Panasonic, whether DVD, Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray. Just hooked the receiver up tonight - so confusing compared to the Onkyo I had before it.
@@homecinemaking397Sorry for the delay getting back to you - didn't even realize that you responded. Thank you. I am running a 5.1 setup, so no Atmos, and have had the 2800 set up for a few months now; Denon definitely has a warmer sound than Onkyo, which I'm more used to. Other than that, I don't care for the way the Denon is so much more compact than the Onkyo I had - and lighter. I also don't think the front fascia should be plastic at this price point (and the knobs); the X Series should all come with aluminum faces and knobs. I'm also not liking the upmixers on these new amps - since I'm not running any overhead speakers, I don't need the upmixers to be on all the time for multichannel sources, but they must remain on so they automatically engage for 2.0 signals.
@@MikeMargolis-j8f the 2800H is a very budget unit and Denon only comes to life at 3800H to be honest. If you are looking for compact rather look at Marantz Cinema60👌
@@homecinemaking397 No, I was saying that I DIDN'T like the fact that the unit is more compact than my old Onkyo. I actually prefer larger, more overbuilt units. I don't feel this is a super budget model; it cost us about $1K U.S., and normally goes for more than that. It's still part of Denons X Series, which is why I thought the fascia and controls should be made of metal - incidentally, even the 3800 is made of plastic on the front. We're also running a 5.1 setup, so I didn't need more than this 2800. I was merely pointing out that my previous Onkyo had a brighter, punchier sound - the Denon is more laid back and "warm."
@ it depends what you want to do. If you are watching more movies i would go denon 4800H but if you are maybe a bit more music focused the Marantz will give you a more musical sound.
And ideas on speakers using 51m klipch only got 13.3 inches looking for a left and right movie and music using klipch center 32c also speakers are low to the ground looking to upgrade something dynamic ty
hello I would like to buy Klipsch speakers for 5.1 home cinema Rp 8000 F ii, RP-600M II, RP-504C II, which amp do you recommend. (I would like to do 5.1.4 in the future) I hesitate between Denon 4800h, or Marantz Cinema 50 or another amp. which subwoofer do you recommend thank you
@@mehari2678 both Denon 4800 and Marantz cinema 50 are great but i would that the Denon 4800H 👌 subwoofers look at SVS PB1000 or 2000. The Klipsch RP subs are good but have to many issues.
Just bought the 4800, really just on a whim because the 3800 wasn’t in stock, and was a bit worried that I had made another foolish impulse buy, but thanks to this video, you’ve alleviated my concerns. I am so happy I pulled the trigger on it, thanks Man, I’ve liked and subscribed.
@@drewbarries great unit and you will not be sorry👍 let me know if you need any help.
In upgrading my current Denon 4311 I was considering the 4800 but the price is outrageous compared to the 3800. I use preouts to a power amp anyway so I don't need the extra watts.
Then I saw the new Onkyo RZ30 with dirac included. Adding dirac to the 3800 brings the price approx the same as the Onkyo so I'm now a bit conflicted lol. My last 4 AVRs have been Denon but that Onkyo looks enticing for a change. I want to try dirac to see if it is an improvement over audyssey xt32.
@@shegocrazy get the 3800H then👌 stay far away from Onkyo…just my opinion.
@@homecinemaking397 Any reasons to not look at the Onkyo? On paper it looks pretty good. Latest tech...new HDMI boards, dirac included. I have been a Denon fan however 20 years since the 3805 which replaced a Rotel. The Rotel sounded great but had reliability issues that I couldn't live with. I lost money replacing it with the 3805 but...that's life.
@ onkyo have been one foot in the grave for years, reliability issues and on paper yes but in real life no, they greatly over rate there units. Just have a look at my Pioneer video, i dont want that unit for free. They are basically Denon and Marantz, Pioneer and Onkyo.
@@homecinemaking397 Cheers! Good advice.
As you said future proofing for three years. Then what ? Once you've got atmos it should be good for a while
@@johnstjohn6540 we never know what the new thing around the corner is. Atmos has been around for ages now, newest thing currently is the 4 subwoofers. Next i dont know🤷♂️
@@homecinemaking397maybe, just maybe, some-kind-of-speaker management to add higher crossover for additional "directional mid-sub"
From 105W to 125W is not a significant jump in power at all, especially in something like an audio amp. Speaking in terms of dB, it means essentially nothing, as the 20 extra Watts results in about 0,7dB higher SPL.
Open both and then you will see the diference .
@@Bemx2k agreed
I’m glad that you came to the same logical conclusion that I did. The increased price is not worth it, because an added amp would be a bigger upgrade, or adding Dirac if you have a smaller room and don’t need an amp. If you have 95dB+ sensitive speakers you may want to go with the 4800h due to the 10dB lower noise floor. You can compare the measurements of both AVRs at AudioSceinceReview. The 4800 is a little better all around, but not massively so.
@@andrewskaterrr 100% i agree👌
X3800h for under $1k usd. Hope I did good, lol. From a JBL 9.1 soundbar...I reckon it will be.
Yes💪
@@homecinemaking397 ✌️ Also went with a 9.2 Klipsch R800 set up with dual R121sw and r50 as rears and atmos and the R30c. Will eventually use the R800 for rears and go the RP8000 path for fronts. When your sound is finally the size of your tv...what a difference lol.
@@hotdogs1026 nice👌 RP is a huge step up👍
who selling ti for under 1k?
10 x log (125/105) = 0.75 DB. Negligible difference
I have the 4800h picked it over new Sony and cinema50 and rz50 got it for 700$ off hopefully I made the right decision
@@mikeschmidt2339 great unit👌
Wish to upgrade my Polk Tsi 100 (using as surrounds) . Which would be a good surround upgrade? Ordered a new Denon AVC x4800 and the upgrades should be compatible with the receiver. Btw my fronts are Polk reserve R600 !
@@maneeshgoswami766 polk R900 would be a good upgrade and match the rest of your system nicely👍
Thanks a ton!. Yeah but R900 are the height spkrs right? I need to replace the Polk Tsi 100.
@ hight or surrounds. Wall mount them just above ear level for that real cinema feel.
@@homecinemaking397 thankyou!
@ anytime👍
Yamaha rx-a6a 🙂
@@kirkanos5447 um no, Yamaha is dead in the water no contest.
Have reviewed the 6800?
@@borlach321 not had my hands on it.
I see the x4800 is 34 lbs. Compared to the Lx805, that's 48 lbs, which is really light. Is the amp on the x4800 that beefy despite the weight. Makes me question it.
@@arielstereo5484 as technologie develops things will get smaller and weigh less. The 4800H is about 3 times the amp compared to the Lx805.
@@homecinemaking397 I would not mind getting the x4800 because I can toggle from dirac and xt32 after I calibrate each. But expensive avr and having to upgrade to dirac even more.
@@arielstereo5484 worth it👌
is there any way to change the voltage from 110 to 220 without a voltage regulator?
Is the cinema 50 better or the same as the x4800?
@@arielstereo5484 its better.
3800h unbeatable right now tbh. Nothing comes close when it comes to actually practical features at this point
@@kelownatechkid i agree!
Just ordered a 2800.... should I be okay?
@@MikeMargolis-j8f this depends on what your plans are with the unit and your system?
@@homecinemaking397 Thanks.... it's just a 5.1 setup with in ceiling speakers, a Panasonic UB9000, Samsung 65" 4K panel, Polk RTi12 mains, Polk CSi30 center and Polk PSW350 sub.
System is used only for film watching through the Panasonic, whether DVD, Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray.
Just hooked the receiver up tonight - so confusing compared to the Onkyo I had before it.
@@homecinemaking397Sorry for the delay getting back to you - didn't even realize that you responded. Thank you.
I am running a 5.1 setup, so no Atmos, and have had the 2800 set up for a few months now; Denon definitely has a warmer sound than Onkyo, which I'm more used to.
Other than that, I don't care for the way the Denon is so much more compact than the Onkyo I had - and lighter. I also don't think the front fascia should be plastic at this price point (and the knobs); the X Series should all come with aluminum faces and knobs.
I'm also not liking the upmixers on these new amps - since I'm not running any overhead speakers, I don't need the upmixers to be on all the time for multichannel sources, but they must remain on so they automatically engage for 2.0 signals.
@@MikeMargolis-j8f the 2800H is a very budget unit and Denon only comes to life at 3800H to be honest. If you are looking for compact rather look at Marantz Cinema60👌
@@homecinemaking397 No, I was saying that I DIDN'T like the fact that the unit is more compact than my old Onkyo. I actually prefer larger, more overbuilt units.
I don't feel this is a super budget model; it cost us about $1K U.S., and normally goes for more than that. It's still part of Denons X Series, which is why I thought the fascia and controls should be made of metal - incidentally, even the 3800 is made of plastic on the front.
We're also running a 5.1 setup, so I didn't need more than this 2800.
I was merely pointing out that my previous Onkyo had a brighter, punchier sound - the Denon is more laid back and "warm."
Is power important even with highly efficient speakers. Mine have 98 sensitivity.
@@arielstereo5484 power is always important but you get away with less if the speaker is highly efficiënt.
Does the x4800 also have independent sub outputs for dlbc?
@@arielstereo5484 4 independent so double that of the Pioneer.
Fantastic review as always Sir! I do hope you will be able to review the Denon X6800h in the future some time!😊 Please!🧐🤔
@@kierangavin3670 thank you and soon👌
That's brilliant 😁
Can you go back and forth with Audyssey and dirac if I upgrade with dirac?
@@arielstereo5484 you can yes👌
@@homecinemaking397
To be clear. If I run dirac and then I want to try audyssey. I can turn on dirac and enjoy it or turn on audyssey and enjoy it?
I snagged an x4800h for $1500. Otherwise, the X3800h is the better value.
@@elisabethd1970 nice👌
Idk if i should get the lx805 for 2k or x4800 that's more plus the dirac price.
@@arielstereo5484 up to you, i have had both and know what ill take.
You had me at Japan
Marantz cinema 50 vs Denon 4800h . which is better to buy. I will using pre outs in both unit not internal amp.
@@TheKankesh cinema 50👌
@@homecinemaking397 Why is the Cinema 50 the better choice over the Denon X4800H? In another comment you wrote that the Cinema 50 is better.
@ it depends what you want to do. If you are watching more movies i would go denon 4800H but if you are maybe a bit more music focused the Marantz will give you a more musical sound.
And ideas on speakers using 51m klipch only got 13.3 inches looking for a left and right movie and music using klipch center 32c also speakers are low to the ground looking to upgrade something dynamic ty
@@mikeschmidt2339 if you want to keep it basic like that and 2ch only look at the 7s or 9s
Onkyo tx nr 7100 vs Denon avr x800h which is better?
@@fernandopiresmarques899 i have not compared these two units.
Co myślisz wobec ciebie co lepsze Onkyo rz70 vs Marantz cinema 40.
@@Eki274 Cinema 40 👍
hello I would like to buy Klipsch speakers for 5.1 home cinema Rp 8000 F ii, RP-600M II, RP-504C II, which amp do you recommend. (I would like to do 5.1.4 in the future)
I hesitate between Denon 4800h, or Marantz Cinema 50 or another amp.
which subwoofer do you recommend thank you
@@mehari2678 both Denon 4800 and Marantz cinema 50 are great but i would that the Denon 4800H 👌 subwoofers look at SVS PB1000 or 2000. The Klipsch RP subs are good but have to many issues.
I chose the 3800. The difference in price between it and the 4800, i used to get Dirac Love Bass Control multi sub. No regrets ❤
@@wayneiceman very nice now add the power amp👌👍💪
@@homecinemaking397 I use rotel power amps for the bed layer