Fatal Flirtatious Boat Push Inspires a Conspiracy | Jack Elliott Case Analysis

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 668

  • @mosisusasu9205
    @mosisusasu9205 Рік тому +33

    Don't you just love it when your friends leave you for death and immediately go into self-serving damage control mode.

    • @carlos4087
      @carlos4087 3 дні тому +1

      He was cute to her when he was gonna make millions in commercial real estate. Not so cute when he was dead and bloated at the bottom of the ocean. Smh killer and simp accomplices.

  • @thesmackdaddy9888
    @thesmackdaddy9888 Рік тому +225

    Credit to the authorities who found that body in 100ft of water.

    • @G.Sharb1
      @G.Sharb1 Рік тому

      3 drunk hillbillies coulda used a cheap fish finder to do the same thing

    • @MrEnjoivolcom1
      @MrEnjoivolcom1 Рік тому +18

      People just don't understand how deep 30 ft underwater is, much less 100 ft.

    • @charliechurch5004
      @charliechurch5004 Рік тому +5

      RIGHT!! 👍🏾

    • @mistrjt9213
      @mistrjt9213 Рік тому +4

      I’ve always wondered how deep 100ft below the surface was. These comments put it into some perspective!

    • @JohnSmith-jz4pk
      @JohnSmith-jz4pk Рік тому

      When a rich white kid dies they go all out

  • @wadeguidry6675
    @wadeguidry6675 Рік тому +150

    I worked in Destin, Florida for a couple of years and every spring break some unfortunate drowning involving young adults, boats and alcohol occurred. Water is like playing with fire, it needs to be respected. Please be careful.

    • @satanicyoshi2484
      @satanicyoshi2484 3 дні тому +2

      I used to live on Pensacola Beach. Mostly Surfers and undertow drownings. We assumed the deaths in Destin were all caused by Bette Midler, thank you for clearing that up.

  • @jena.alexia
    @jena.alexia Рік тому +85

    "Extensive search efforts that lasted 5 minutes." 😂 Omg. Yes they definitely went above and beyond.

  • @achristine80
    @achristine80 Рік тому +301

    I live in Austin, and used to party on Lake Travis all the time. I have awesome memories of those days. But… it is very dangerous. It’s a hot spot for party boats and drinking. Many young people have lost their lives on that lake due to negligence. I can’t understand why these kids lied about what happened. I do believe it was an accident, and lying about it made it a crime. Sad sad story.

    • @allentyson_artist1999
      @allentyson_artist1999 Рік тому +7

      I live in Austin as well, I prefer paddle boarding myself.

    • @madeleineprice3556
      @madeleineprice3556 Рік тому +9

      “Used to party _______ all the time “ cringe

    • @lauralaforge558
      @lauralaforge558 Рік тому +12

      I didn't watch the vid yet, but the first thing that came to my mind would be that they were already drinking illegally and didn't want to get into trouble. Once that bad decision (to cover up the death) was made, it would be very hard to go back from it, even the next day.

    • @michaelperez9966
      @michaelperez9966 Рік тому +6

      It was probably an accident, and lying about it did make it a crime; but they also committed other crimes. Avoiding charges for drinking under age, purchasing alcohol under age and DWI are good reasons to lie.

    • @TommyShenanigans
      @TommyShenanigans Рік тому +2

      i live in Austin too:-)

  • @thoughtfulbobcat1872
    @thoughtfulbobcat1872 Рік тому +149

    Some of these people come from backgrounds where they have never been held accountable and when they get out to the real world reality slaps them in the face.

    • @MLJay
      @MLJay Рік тому +9

      How do you know that? Are you a friend of theirs ?

    • @thatonethisone5904
      @thatonethisone5904 Рік тому

      Transparent race dog

    • @kailoveskitties
      @kailoveskitties Рік тому +30

      @@MLJay you think these children that were allowed to take Daddy’s boat out to party are accustomed to being held accountable??

    • @seattlejayde
      @seattlejayde Рік тому

      Yes a bunch of privileged American brats in my perspective

    • @woadxqueen666
      @woadxqueen666 Рік тому +3

      @@kailoveskitties literally 💀

  • @rejaneoliveira5019
    @rejaneoliveira5019 Рік тому +218

    If alcohol was absent from all this, the probability of a fatal accident taking place would certainly be much lower. This was a senseless and avoidable tragedy that killed a person and deeply impacted everyone’s lives. I wish people in this age group could understand that bad decisions done during this period of our lives have the potential to change our future and completely destroy the dreams we once nurtured. I think for many young adults there is a sense of invincibility and overconfidence that may place them in dangerous and potentially fatal situations.
    Great review as as usual! Thank you so much, Dr. Grande.❤️

    • @vladimirputindreadlockrast812
      @vladimirputindreadlockrast812 Рік тому +36

      I came to this realization quite a few years ago, when I was driving up a hill at the time high school kids were getting off the school bus. A teenage boy pushed s teenage girl right in front of my car! Was he trying to murder her? No! They both broke out laughing as I came to a screeching halt. There was nothing malicious about the event. The boy had no sense of mortality, and neither did the girl, apparently. Teenagers think they will live forever.

    • @user-ui5ny3zl6e
      @user-ui5ny3zl6e Рік тому +3

      Your comment sounds so boring,as if you are preaching.Try to be short,if you want to be listened to.

    • @ToniHunterOne
      @ToniHunterOne Рік тому +19

      @@user-ui5ny3zl6e This critique is boring.

    • @ruslanotarov9727
      @ruslanotarov9727 Рік тому

      @@user-ui5ny3zl6e You sound like an unpleasant human being. Short enough for you?

    • @artvandelayRFC
      @artvandelayRFC Рік тому +6

      Also, "gently pushing" someone off a boat is very dangerous.

  • @dissidentfairy4264
    @dissidentfairy4264 Рік тому +166

    Teens + Alcohol + Water are a lethal combination. They should have all been wearing safety vests. They spent only 5 minutes looking for him? You'd think he was worth more of their time than that. What a tragedy! I currently live by the Colorado River and it seems that most of the deadly boating accidents are fueled by alcohol.

    • @wheemsie
      @wheemsie Рік тому +7

      @Billy Mumphry …..no

    • @dissidentfairy4264
      @dissidentfairy4264 Рік тому +8

      @Billy Mumphry Try saying that to the relatives of the beautiful women who lost their lives about a year ago around Pirates Cove. Three women were thrown from a speed boat at night into the Colorado River after it hit another boat. The women were all in their 20s and exceptionally beautiful. They all died. It took over a year to find the body of one of them. This tragedy is only one of many and with your limited perception I hope you are never behind the wheel of a boat.

    • @dissidentfairy4264
      @dissidentfairy4264 Рік тому +5

      @@deniseelsworth7816 So true and it can be at night too. There was a horrific speedboat accident at night around Pirates Cove about a year ago.

    • @lf9341
      @lf9341 Рік тому +3

      A child fell over snd the ties of the vest got caught under the propeller. Very sad.

    • @samuelsprings7245
      @samuelsprings7245 Рік тому +2

      @@dissidentfairy4264 Source? Can't find anything about this accident online.

  • @wildechild5
    @wildechild5 Рік тому +44

    Good to know that I'm not the only one without a date on Saturday night. Thanks for the video Dr. Grande.

    • @BariumCobaltNitrog3n
      @BariumCobaltNitrog3n Рік тому +5

      I think dating isn't allowed anymore.

    • @woadxqueen666
      @woadxqueen666 Рік тому +5

      Me and my date listen to grande 💀

    • @wildechild5
      @wildechild5 Рік тому +3

      @@woadxqueen666 got yourself a cheap date there I like it. Why go out when you could stay in. I was just bored waiting for my husband to come home.

    • @wildechild5
      @wildechild5 Рік тому +1

      @@BariumCobaltNitrog3n 😂🤣😂🤣

    • @BariumCobaltNitrog3n
      @BariumCobaltNitrog3n Рік тому

      @@wildechild5 Or maybe not. CDC announced yesterday they are treating it like the flu, wear a mask or don't we don't care.

  • @didamnesia3575
    @didamnesia3575 Рік тому +55

    I hope you're doing well Dr G
    A lesson to always keep your own safety in mind. Never outsource your own safety to someone else.

  • @jms1086
    @jms1086 Рік тому +32

    “At least they didn’t say he was hit by the shiny spinny thing that makes the water angry” - lol. A bit of humor during a tragic story helps lighten the load. I found the final analysis and opinion on this unfortunate event to be thoughtful and wise.

  • @mathews0618
    @mathews0618 Рік тому +39

    None of my group growing up would have left him out there. We woulda lied and tossed the beer but we would have searched all night for him

  • @cxa011500
    @cxa011500 Рік тому +34

    I think in high school there should be an entire class or just a regular period devoted to the discussion of bad situations people put themselves in like this. Kids will probably still do them, but at least maybe they'll have more data points to make good decisions.

    • @robertodell9193
      @robertodell9193 Рік тому +2

      That''s actually a great idea.

    • @cxa011500
      @cxa011500 Рік тому +3

      @Tanif's Tasty Tips I think part of the problem is how it's being told. You can't just tell a kid something is bad, you have to have a way to make them feel it emotionally.

    • @exrobowidow1617
      @exrobowidow1617 Рік тому +2

      @@cxa011500 For sure! Lectures don't work.

    • @nadinewhite993
      @nadinewhite993 9 місяців тому

      A certain percentage would be horrified to hear what happens to others and wouldn't need to put themselves in harm's way to learn a lesson. Others would think that it's a great idea to try the very things that have killed others ☹️

    • @edwardwright2989
      @edwardwright2989 3 місяці тому

      Get real.

  • @oregonsnob31
    @oregonsnob31 Рік тому +261

    Dr Grande how do you find the time for all this great content that requires so much research?! You’re a superhero. Appreciate you

    • @itZxStealth
      @itZxStealth Рік тому +1

      The only explanation is that he’s not human.

    • @paulden3158
      @paulden3158 Рік тому +14

      He never replies

    • @woodstyleah
      @woodstyleah Рік тому +22

      @@paulden3158 he's too busy making content. He has responded before but he's doing a lot more videos now.

    • @BariumCobaltNitrog3n
      @BariumCobaltNitrog3n Рік тому +29

      When you say find the time, it implies this is just a hobby he does in his spare time. This is his job. Superhero UA-camr Shrink. He's funny too, his dry wit is laser sharp.

    • @ronalda1000
      @ronalda1000 Рік тому +9

      People like him are the real superheroes 💜🧡

  • @glasshalffull8625
    @glasshalffull8625 Рік тому +39

    NEVER ride on the bow of a boat. It is a recipe for disaster. Similar situation as these kids, but those involved were around 30. Cruising at night, alcohol involved and a guy on the bow. They hit what they believed was a log and the guy fell off and was hit by the prop. Took several days to find the body.

  • @dominiquehebert4903
    @dominiquehebert4903 Рік тому +15

    Why wouldn't your first reaction to a friend overboard and not immediately visible not be to call 911 and get search and rescue there asap? Some "friends".

    • @crystalwater505
      @crystalwater505 Рік тому

      The world is such a cruel, dark and damp place. It can be very lonely in the winds of change. One can only wonder why the world is so cruel. I for one, do not believe in the concept of sin for I believe all religion to be man made, but why is nature so cruel? Why can fate be so cruel? These questions are far beyond or human capabilities to understand. Heliopolis is one example. Many women and men probably got together and danced by the fire, held hands, sang and dance, but cruel humans come along and pillage them. For why, or why do they do such things? Why cause pain to another? It never made much sense to me to be honest.
      Or how about the bow of the WW2 boat in the air? I never understood that either because Savage was in a waffle house some 30 years ago and this guy there was bragging about how he got married and Randy Savage was sitting there hungry and you know what he said? He said "Buddy. I don't give a fuuuuuck". That's pretty crazy there. And the guy said "Well you better give a fuck" and a brawl escalated to the levels of rig or rag. Can you believe that? Rig or rag levels of sluns.

  • @davidwartski7213
    @davidwartski7213 Рік тому +38

    "The shining spinning thing that makes the water angry." Doc, you're such a cutup.

  • @evelynwaugh4053
    @evelynwaugh4053 Рік тому +3

    It's a miracle many of us survive our youth. Inexperience, lack of judgement, inebriation, and pushing the envelope.

  • @herpusvonclustus456
    @herpusvonclustus456 Рік тому +26

    these kind of scenarios are exactly what fuels me to continue to be sober (2 years this September). you can cannot control the actions of people around you, such as a concert, a bar, or in this case a boat. alcohol may not be "terrible" but 100 percent of actions taken are with the absence of alcohol are much more sensible and more calm. this is why I will never drink again. I dont want to be a apart of the problem, and I dont want to be around someone who could bring problems into my life. Alcohol is the most insidious toxin that is worshiped in society.

    • @kaarinamindaly4525
      @kaarinamindaly4525 Рік тому +3

      Thank you for this wise voice of experience. May your claim to lifelong sobriety succeed and may the ears of readers heed your word of warning.

    • @sheilagravely5621
      @sheilagravely5621 Рік тому +5

      Congratulations on your sobriety, please stay strong and enjoy your life without being compromised. I was raised by abusive alcoholics and then married one, it wasn't my first marriage but I've been divorced 22 years and will never have Anything to do with a person that even sometimes drinks anymore. It affected me so bad that I won't, haven't had any kind of relationship other than a causal talk with a male( in public) in all this time. Alcohol doesn't just effect the alcoholic! Good luck with your life. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻❤❤❤❤❤🎉

    • @exrobowidow1617
      @exrobowidow1617 Рік тому +3

      This is why Prohibition was enacted. I have read that statistically, it was starting to work shortly before it was repealed. These days, everybody seems to be in a rush to legalize marijuana. In my opinion, you can get loaded with booze, and you can smoke nicotine; why are any additional forms of mind squelching and recreational air pollution needed?

    • @jenniferruth812
      @jenniferruth812 Рік тому +2

      @@exrobowidow1617 MJ is a different ‘feel’ of course but it also helps me and so many others so much with pain and sleep and anxiety. (I can’t stand smoking it and that way of taking it doesn’t help my pain anyway since it’s just a ‘head’ high. So I do edibles.) Anywho, I developed a problem with alcohol so it’s just better to not drink at all. (I never had a problem with alcohol until I was trying to control severe nerve pain without much help from doctors. Then I discovered MJ.) I have found that even after long use of MJ, if I’m not hurting and I don’t need it, I don’t have withdrawals. It also doesn’t make me feel like crap after it wears off, like alcohol affects me. I think it’s pretty evident that MJ is much safer than alcohol. Of course people can abuse it but I think it has less chance of being abused. Just my opinion. Sorry for the long comment😜.

    • @stalinbeballin
      @stalinbeballin Рік тому +2

      @@exrobowidow1617 well... Cannabis has never killed anyone the way alcohol can. It's physically impossible to consume enough cannabis to overdose. Alcohol on the other hand....

  • @aliciawilmot-osborne
    @aliciawilmot-osborne Рік тому +31

    They are not "KIDS" and if found guilty, should suffer adult consequences for their actions.

  • @danparish1344
    @danparish1344 Рік тому +43

    I remember my immature self drinking at a college party as a freshman and the police show up because of a noise complaint - I was terrified I was going to be arrested, lose my athletic scholarship and ruin my life (perhaps jail time??) because I was only 18 at the time. I think I hid in a closet and was ready to run out of the back door if I had to.
    The overwhelming irrational fear of being caught with alcohol as a minor is real. I think I would have been honest with the police about everything but perhaps would have minimized my involvement with the alcohol in the statement.

    • @augustek5382
      @augustek5382 Рік тому +3

      Why drink if so in fear? If you felt old enough to drink then you are old enough to take full responsibility for your actions. Any 18 years olds are old enough to take responsibility for their actions. Must be the way how some Americans raise their children.

    • @PiranahKill
      @PiranahKill Рік тому +8

      @@augustek5382 no, it's about literally not having a fully developed brain while trying to figure out who you are, and how the world actually works vs. how you've been told it works by parents, teachers, and society.
      Repressing youth leads to these kinds of things, it doesn't prevent them. When kids with no real world experience get their first taste of freedom they go way to far, even the Amish know this, and allow for it.

    • @NeekkeKayla
      @NeekkeKayla Рік тому +9

      @@augustek5382 America's laws don't allow for 18 year olds to take responsibility for their actions when the legal limit is 21. Its strange to me to be considered an adult, but I can't purchase adult beverages? This is what causes reckless drinking behavior and related deaths. If alcohol weren't so "forbidden" there wouldn't be such a hurry to try it and we'd all respect it a little bit more.

    • @NeekkeKayla
      @NeekkeKayla Рік тому

      @@PiranahKill Right. It's a much bigger problem than how Americans are raising their children. Our drinking culture was developed by the prohibition. There's whole family legacy's built by bootleg distilleries. The underage drinking is almost expected by most Americans, but there is very little education about alcohol safety and it's killing us. "Breath, Nolan, Breath" a doc on UA-cam for example. Every politician probably has a youth record and there's more than enough evidence from our Presidential representative (pretend Biden doesn't even exist, there's STILL so much drunk history in that house).
      An 18 year old can buy a gun, but can't drink. A 15 year old can be tried as an adult but can't drive. A 21 year old can drink but can't rent a car. Its not about taking responsibility for your age, it's about being afforded the *right* to be responsible.

    • @augustek5382
      @augustek5382 Рік тому +4

      @@PiranahKill repressing the children is the way how a lot of American families raise their children then. I grew up in Europe and my parents would let me go party at the age of 15. I would drink some beer but never got drunk or threw up from drinking. I understand that not everyone is the same but lying to law enforcement or anyone else is unacceptable. Wonder if parents still teach their children that lying is not okay... I have encountered plenty of American college students lying while I worked on campus.

  • @Carlene126
    @Carlene126 Рік тому +38

    Dr. Grande, I am interested in your take on Anne Heche, in particular when may one assume brain damage/death occurs? What condition might she have been in when she sat upright on the gurney when the EMT’s were taking her to the ambulance? Thanks for all you do.

    • @cottontails9003
      @cottontails9003 Рік тому +2

      Burns initially don't hurt , but when the nerve endings come back the pain is excruciating. Most people are put into a medically induced coma , too help this out. Depending on the thickness of the burns , infection is a major concern. You also do neuro observation , if the pupils are fixed and dilated a sign the brain is not working (other words brain dead )an eeg would be done at . least three times to see if there is any electric movement in the brain , if not technology your brain is dead..The next of kin and the Doctors have too make the decision too take the person off life support.

    • @robertodell9193
      @robertodell9193 Рік тому +6

      @@cottontails9003 Burns don't don't hurt initially? I have had numerous burns and they all hurt like Hell immediately.

    • @cottontails9003
      @cottontails9003 Рік тому +9

      @@robertodell9193 I'm talking about 3rd degree burns, look it up.

    • @katarina1852
      @katarina1852 Рік тому +8

      Anne had airway damage from smoke inhalation as well as thermal injuries to her airway and of course to her skin. She also suffered a sternal fracture which can cause hemorrhaging, pain and difficulty breathing. The reason she sat straight up on the stretcher may have been because she was in pain, having difficulty breathing and/or in a state of shock and delirium. She was already behaving erratically when she rammed a garage door earlier then fled down the street and plowed into another home causing it and her car to catch fire. She tested positive for cocaine as well as fentanyl, but because the testing wasn’t done until hours after she was hospitalized the fentanyl was likely administered for pain in the hospital. Cocaine induced psychosis is a possibility and can cause paranoia and hallucinations. I am an RN and work in ICU and this is what I have gathered from reports on-line combined with my nursing background. I hope this helps. I too would like to see Dr. Grande’s analysis of this subject.

  • @hannahparry7327
    @hannahparry7327 Рік тому +13

    I went to college at SMU in Dallas (TCU's rival school) and went to ACL & Lake Travis every year for fraternity "away weekends". Speaking from experience, when college kids go down to Austin, all bets are off. We would start drinking on the bus ride down and continue drinking all weekend until the bus ride home. Alcohol + drugs + impulsive young college kids trying to impress each other is a dangerous combo. Add a large body of water to the mix & that danger increases tenfold. We always chartered "party barges" operated by commercial drivers who were very cautious about safety.
    I remember two incidents specially: The first time I went, we were getting onto the boat when the owner told us we couldn't have any glass bottles onboard. Of course, all of our liquor bottles were glass so we had to leave those behind and stick to the beer kegs we had. Looking back, this was actually the best time I ever had, since there was limited beer and no hard alcohol so nobody was blackout drunk. We swam, danced, and had a great time. One year we rented 2 party boats, one for freshman & sophs and one for jr and sr. Once we got far enough out into the lake, about 30 minutes since we set off, they announced that we were stopping so we could swim and go to the other boat, but to not get into the water until they gave the signal that the propellers were fully stopped and the boat was anchored. A couple of guys ignored this and jumped over the boat railings as soon as the boat stopped moving. Immediately, the boat operators announced that the day was over and they were taking us back to the dock. We were all really upset and blamed them for "ruining our day". The guys were really nice but firm about it, saying that they had a zero tolerance policy for ignoring their safety commands and they would not continue our trip. We did not get our money back. Looking back now, I am grateful for this, as we had all been drinking heavily before going to the lake and someone could easily have drowned.
    For any college kids reading this, I strongly suggest only taking commercially chartered party boats for these kinds of events. They deal with these risky situations all the time, and know the danger signs to look out for. Even then, it is still incredibly risky. Every year, without fail, there was someone who fell and got injured, cut up their feet and legs climbing the rocks, or got alcohol poisoning. Make sure you also have plenty of water available and sunscreen, and know your limits.

    • @exrobowidow1617
      @exrobowidow1617 Рік тому

      I've been thinking lately about the party buses people take. I live in the Los Angeles area, where a lot of people like to go to Las Vegas for the weekend, and a lot of them take party buses for the trip. I would not want to go on one, but presumably it's a lot safer that way. There's talk of building a high speed rail line along that route, and I've been thinking that the trains would need some "party cars" with lots of padding, some toilets, and the ability to be hosed out after each trip.

    • @dutchybag
      @dutchybag Рік тому

      The advice you offer seems so sensible and basic...as a 44 yr old man who partied hard as a teen and frat boy, I imagine hearing the same message at that age would've induced an eye roll and a stfu from me and my crew of numbskulls. Cause I heard the same type of messages from my parents about drinking related stuff, from teachers, and eventually from court ordered counselors (dui)...by sheer luck I survived that era with only some bumps and bruises, it could've been much different. As a parent now, it's a hard message to convey, I see the same reaction I would've given.

  • @lnc-to4ku
    @lnc-to4ku Рік тому +94

    What a horribly sad tragedy! Your points on the mixture of youth and alcohol were so well said!
    Even with such a sorrowful case you still managed to make me laugh several times! "This is like somebody being inspired to go on a cruise because they watched the first 20 minutes of the movie Titanic." 😅
    Have to say your work ethic and the thoughtful content you always give is what inspires me! ♡♡

    • @briangarrow448
      @briangarrow448 Рік тому +11

      Sadly, drinking alcohol and boating do not mix. When I was a senior in high school, a friend of mine had a younger brother who made a dangerous mistake and jumped off a railroad trestle and broke his neck. He became a wheelchair bound quadriplegic. The next summer another friend had an older brother who died from drowning while water skiing.
      The common denominator was alcohol.
      Two years later, another school friend died from taking a midnight swim while drunk.
      Swimming and drinking don’t mix. Boating and drinking don’t mix.
      Most outdoor activities and alcohol don’t mix.

    • @bellakim9404
      @bellakim9404 Рік тому +4

      The mixture of alchohol and anyone at any age does not mix well. Adults are not anymore responsible.

    • @cpwood3506
      @cpwood3506 Рік тому

      @@bellakim9404 That is a fact!

  • @lisabradford8180
    @lisabradford8180 Рік тому +6

    sounds like the paul murdaugh boat crash and paul's attitude afterwards.

  • @kathycochran544
    @kathycochran544 Рік тому +73

    Dr. Grande ,I had a terrible day but this helps. Thank you. I agree alcohol and boating is never a good idea. Such a senseless death.

    • @rumham7466
      @rumham7466 Рік тому +5

      Especially so young. Driving a boat is very serious. There are so many rules on the water. And respect for everyone on the water is needed. And I don’t think they’re taught in all circumstances.

    • @dqreps
      @dqreps Рік тому +1

      True but alcohol was not responsible for the kids death.

    • @BariumCobaltNitrog3n
      @BariumCobaltNitrog3n Рік тому +5

      @@dqreps So if she was sober, she still would have pushed him off the boat? And if he was sober, he'd be ok with getting pushed off a boat? Turning on cruise control and putting someone with zero experience at the wheel, normal sober things?

    • @wheemsie
      @wheemsie Рік тому +1

      @@dqreps do you think every decision each person made in this situation would’ve been the exact same had they not been drinking? Alcohol makes people do stupid things, unfortunately - especially when you’re young and inexperienced and don’t realize how it truly effects you. I can think of a couple things I did after drinking while still in high school where I just am mortified and cringing despite the fact it’s long over and no one died bc I did something or said something stupid while inebriated. I don’t think alcohol itself is to blame but it played a significant part. Hell, alcohol and boats/water activities (?! ha) don’t usually mix well even if you know how alcohol effects you. It was just bad bad bad all around. I wouldn’t have trusted them alone with a boat without the alcohol either.

  • @giaparmer
    @giaparmer Рік тому +18

    I appreciate the empathetic analysis here, really appreciated when you said this time is primarily about survival. I think once you’re out of those years it’s easy to forget how little we know what we’re doing but that is how I felt. I’m 22 now and so thankful nobody died as a result of my mistakes as a kid.

  • @kenhill3230
    @kenhill3230 Рік тому +67

    I understand they were just drunk kids having fun, but somebody died, they made no real effort to help the guy, they were a danger to any other boaters who may have been on the water, lied, deleted evidence etc... I feel like the charges are pretty light for all of that. Also, this is taking their word that it was an accident. I seriously doubt it was planned, but alcohol can heat situations up.

  • @SharonPerp
    @SharonPerp Рік тому +1

    "shiny spinning thing that makes the water angry" absolute best laugh of the week!

  • @KatGlowsInTheDark
    @KatGlowsInTheDark Рік тому +4

    I'd kill for a sticker that says 'the shiny spinning thing that makes the water angry'

  • @jejunamja
    @jejunamja Рік тому +17

    Watching your video I just thought back to my teen years and how I took stupid chances because I didn’t understand the consequences of my choices at that point in life .
    That being said I’m a little horrified they didn’t stop the boat immediately call 911 immediately and stay in that spot looking for that young man.

  • @angtxsun4460
    @angtxsun4460 Рік тому +10

    Wow is this case analysis timely!
    Kiely Rodni has been missing for one week and the teens and young adults at the lake party are being encouraged by adults not to talk to law enforcement. These young adults literally chose to create a perfect storm and when things went badly they created a second one to follow.
    What changes need to be made?
    Thank you for your analysis of such situations!

  • @TheVagolfer
    @TheVagolfer Рік тому +20

    How about the effects of poor parenting. So much of this was done via an entitlement attitude,
    which had to be instilled by the parents. Poor decision after poor decision compounded by lies does not show a good upbringing.

    • @willnill7946
      @willnill7946 Рік тому +4

      Parents have no legal or cultural authority to tell their children what to do. We also do not like strict parents in the west

    • @rabbitsonjupiter6824
      @rabbitsonjupiter6824 Рік тому +2

      @TheVagolfer I completely agree with you.

  • @skepticusmaximus184
    @skepticusmaximus184 Рік тому +17

    You're so level headed Doc. Sometimes I think your head could be used as a piece of surveying equipment. Great analysis. 👍

    • @that80zbaby
      @that80zbaby Рік тому +1

      or used as a bullseye by someone not some dim as his fanbase. Y'all need help!

    • @pocket1684
      @pocket1684 Рік тому

      I am Dr. Grande. Thanks for your comment. Onto item #1. While this is true, my head sometimes experiences anxiety, stress, various emotional moods and even headaches like most humans. Item #2. However, I would agree that I tend to keep a level head as my head stays positioned at an upward circumference at a proper 75 degree angle, allowing me to conduct each analysis with the utmost purity and unbiased commentary.. Item #3-Lastly, I always try to conduct my analysis based on the evidence and facts at hand. Keep in mind, this is only my opinion. Please like and subscribe. Dr. Grande

  • @megatherion2695
    @megatherion2695 Рік тому +6

    Dr. "Uploads in His Pajamas" Grande!

  • @someguy7424
    @someguy7424 Рік тому +24

    Another high quality video, Dr. Grande. If you haven’t done so already, might I request a video on Tammy Sytch (aka “Sunny” formerly of the WWE). She recently was charged with vehicular manslaughter after a long and depressing downfall which included 7 DUIs.

  • @jaimie072
    @jaimie072 Рік тому +6

    Too much sympathy for what amounts to be incredibly callous and calculated behaviour. To switch so quickly to self-preservation mode is actually quite disturbing and being a teenager is no excuse. They couldn't give two fucks about their friend. Some may argue that with their whole lives ahead of them, they shouldn't be charged for what amounts to be trivial crimes e.g lying to the police and providing alcohol to minors, but really the charges also are representative of their cold-hearted behaviour. I would imagine if they'd spent more than 30 seconds looking for their friend, most charges would have been dropped. Echoes of Michelle Carter...

  • @victoriawilliams2786
    @victoriawilliams2786 Рік тому +4

    "The shiny spinny thing that makes the water angry." 🤣🤣🤣
    My Moms bf works at a boat shop. I've got to tell him this. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @crystalwater505
      @crystalwater505 Рік тому

      Imagine if your mother's boyfriend fell into the water in front of a boat and his head hit the spinny thing going "clickity clack clack clack".

  • @rullmourn1142
    @rullmourn1142 Рік тому +16

    Reminds me of that girl who pushed her friend off a bridge and nearly killed her. Her sentence was a joke, tbh.

    • @Tsumami__
      @Tsumami__ Рік тому +1

      Shoving someone off of a bridge and shoving someone standing next to the railing on a small boat is not really comparable. Maybe if it was a freaking cruise ship…

  • @majorpwner241
    @majorpwner241 Рік тому +3

    I really appreciate your final take on this one about how the public is expected never to lie, but the police do it as a routine tactic, and how sometimes people will be punished by their own actions to the point that minor infractions are pointless to prosecute. That is so completely true in my experience.

  • @lindseyhudson1274
    @lindseyhudson1274 Рік тому +4

    Every time I hear about these sad tragedies I think about how lucky I was in my teens and 20s that my bad choices did not cause any deaths.
    It seems like the police are charging them mostly because they were mad about being lied to.

  • @icturner23
    @icturner23 Рік тому +20

    Delaney pushed Jack and he died. It’s manslaughter. It doesn’t matter that she didn’t realize it would make him lose his balance - (i) it did make him lose his balance and (ii) her own drunkenness is what caused her to not be able to assess the situation.

  • @cavymomma
    @cavymomma Рік тому +4

    Please remember that it is the DA's office (prosecutors) who decide whether or not to pursue criminal charges in court. The police investigate and provide evidence, but adjudication happens in court.

  • @MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis
    @MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis 3 дні тому +1

    I can’t believe they lied like that to cover up what sounds like an accident. Had they just been straightforward, I genuinely believe their consequences would’ve been less. Their selfishness is concerning, and the fact that they didn’t stay longer to look for their friend is… it’s just sad.

  • @francisd7081
    @francisd7081 Рік тому +4

    I always recommend your channel whenever someone asks for an interesting UA-cam channel

  • @THE-id1by
    @THE-id1by Рік тому +20

    They were properly charged only I would have thrown in a misdemeanor manslaughter for the playful pusher and possibly the boat operator and owner upon careful review of the facts. DUIs for the boat operators and public intoxication all around. (except for the kid who didn't drink but was convinced to say he was at the wheel, he would of course get that false statement charge)

    • @danielharold6547
      @danielharold6547 Рік тому +2

      Agreed, he said they shouldn't be charged w/ tampering with evidence because they didn't know it was illegal. That's a poor legal defense and wouldn't hold up in court. Ignorance of the law doesn't absolve you from it.

  • @lukemullineux
    @lukemullineux Рік тому +3

    Every weekend it happens on the roads. On the roads though usually the finger can be pointed at one victim. Here a boat load were complicit.

  • @lthrldy
    @lthrldy Рік тому +11

    The line "shiny spinny thing that makes the water angry" caused coffee to go up my nose. Good analysis, Dr. Grande. Thank you.

  • @birdworldist
    @birdworldist Рік тому +8

    Yesss king go offff

    • @Malepical
      @Malepical Рік тому +3

      Why did I read this in a transgender voice 😂💕

    • @cokedupgirlscout
      @cokedupgirlscout Рік тому +2

      Lmao why did this make me actually laugh out loud

    • @nickyblue4866
      @nickyblue4866 Рік тому +1

      YAAAAAS KANG

  • @aarondavis8943
    @aarondavis8943 Рік тому +22

    Evidence tampering reduces the investigator's (and society's) ability to know what happened, whether there was a murder or an accident, so I think there should be serious penalties whether there ends up being a murder or not. If you don't like those penalties, don't destroy evidence.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. Рік тому +1

      I think this is more an attempt to punish them for the death by way of unrelated charges.

  • @AedanGUnit
    @AedanGUnit Рік тому +4

    It would be interesting to have you cover Lake Lanier in Georgia. There are multiple drownings there every year and always stories and comments about the lake being haunted and claiming lives as retribution for the citizens of Otisville-a town now under the surface of Lake Lanier. The stories of haunted ancestors are ridiculous and the drownings often involve excessive drinking and acting foolish. This year there have been five drownings already and the haunted lake stories resurfaced as they do every year. I would love to hear your take on this. Thanks.

  • @rullmourn1142
    @rullmourn1142 Рік тому +7

    I lived close to Lake Travis n 2012, I could walk to the lake in 15 minutes, it's a huge lake. TCU Student Jack Elliott Was Pushed To Death By Girlfriend Delaney Brennan Who Then Went Onto Get His Tattoo To Gain Sympathy

  • @nightwood4379
    @nightwood4379 Рік тому +5

    Good Evening Dr. G! A late night post…so appreciated.

  • @markferguson3745
    @markferguson3745 3 дні тому

    As Steven King said, -
    " Fun is fun, and done is done".
    Once you have the finality of death staring you in the face, - sudden, pointless, permanent,- the burden falls on those left alive as to how to move forward.
    What would Jack want? His friends penalized over a mistake that he was a part of?
    They are guilty of misdemeanor bad judgement, before and after the fact; and I'm fairly sure that's how this will play out.

  • @davidroux7987
    @davidroux7987 Рік тому +5

    I always enjoy your considered and nuanced appraisals of complex events.

  • @animula6908
    @animula6908 Рік тому +1

    When things go wrong, just suck it up and come clean. Deciding that ahead will save making so many bad decisions to try to cover things up. Rarely does it work, but even if it does it becomes a priority above saving someone’s life a lot of times, and then you later regret trying to save yourself by sacrificing a friend. Just own up, and decide you will beforehand when it can matter.

  • @vinnyguitara
    @vinnyguitara 10 місяців тому +1

    Shiny spinny thing that makes the water angry.... best one yet doc!

  • @karolynknight931
    @karolynknight931 Рік тому +12

    You are simply the best Dr Grande! Thank you for all you do!

  • @abdisamamedia
    @abdisamamedia Рік тому

    Been waiting for such a soothing voice of our good Dr G! Now I am all upbeat.

  • @justinm3745
    @justinm3745 Рік тому +1

    You always make me smile when I need it, Doc. Thank you for the great video!! Have a great Sunday.

  • @xtinctube7283
    @xtinctube7283 Рік тому +1

    Such a great video and as always, I love your humor!

  • @megatherion2695
    @megatherion2695 Рік тому +8

    Another great video. Thanks, Doc!

  • @wendyhart134
    @wendyhart134 Рік тому

    Each time I look to see if there is a new upload from D.R Grande I think I have seen them all already ! However I keep being wonderfully surprised to see new uploads each time. The quality is still amazing as always . ...thank you🇬🇧

  • @christinebeames2311
    @christinebeames2311 Рік тому

    Very well done

  • @annseely1378
    @annseely1378 Рік тому

    Love your mug!

  • @Violexie-wb7op
    @Violexie-wb7op Рік тому

    Great video

  • @triGRIMM
    @triGRIMM Рік тому +3

    Saweeet getting notified earlier now!

  • @Dp-hu8pr
    @Dp-hu8pr 2 дні тому

    So very well presented and your opinions explained are appreciated.

  • @righteousinphillthy9483
    @righteousinphillthy9483 Рік тому +2

    Excellent commentary as usual Dr. Grande, I'm looking forward to your thoughts on the Dallas Fort Worth Airport Spirit situation

  • @louiev9491
    @louiev9491 Рік тому

    One of my favorite channels. The Sense of humor is brilliant.

  • @TiptonMama
    @TiptonMama Рік тому +1

    Yeah! Loving the vids!

  • @BackyardButcher
    @BackyardButcher Рік тому

    ❤️🤟💯🔥
    Thanks for the upload, Dr Grande!

  • @patriciawebb5579
    @patriciawebb5579 Рік тому +1

    The tampering with evidence charge is indeed support. It shows consciousness of guilt, whether that guilt was the misdemeanor alcohol charges or covering up what could be a more serious crime. The while group went very quickly into actions to obfuscate the events of that night.

  • @brandoncharles2060
    @brandoncharles2060 Рік тому +6

    I went to high school with this girl, heard a rumor about this in 2020 shortly after it happened. Senseless tragedy glad his family is getting justice

  • @lindawilson4625
    @lindawilson4625 Рік тому

    "The shiny spinning thing...." I love your embedded jokes!

  • @leylamoody3177
    @leylamoody3177 Рік тому +2

    What a sad and tragic story. Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️

  • @Raev222
    @Raev222 Рік тому

    "the shiny spinning thing that makes the water angry" I screamed so loud it scared my cat 💀

  • @zeekthegeek4538
    @zeekthegeek4538 Рік тому +2

    Dr Grande's deadpan humour was on point in this one 😂

  • @richieryan1642
    @richieryan1642 Рік тому +3

    Doc police don’t always charge on textbook violations of the law. In many many cases they charge to appease the victims families friends and wider community. As you said, someone lost their life, it was no minor accident from youthful exuberance

  • @sdsurfgirl60
    @sdsurfgirl60 Рік тому

    🤣🤣🤣 The shiny spinny thing that makes the water angry. Omgosh I lost it. 🤣

  • @rmercado716
    @rmercado716 Рік тому

    You killed me today Dr. GRANDE!!!

  • @karlepaul6632
    @karlepaul6632 Рік тому

    "The shiny spinning thing that makes the water angry." 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Another great video doc! Keep it up!👍

  • @JohnSmith-vv2uo
    @JohnSmith-vv2uo Рік тому

    Your dry sarcasm always catches me laughing no matter the video. You’re getting better and better. Good job ✌️

  • @browniehendricks3726
    @browniehendricks3726 Рік тому +1

    I start each day with your channel. I admit I am addicted to you.
    Keep up the good work. Take Care.

  • @marydeleon3756
    @marydeleon3756 Рік тому +2

    Great job Dr. Grande. The fact that they decided collectively to lie about this horrific incident that led to this young man's death is disgusting. The irony that the Elle was attending a Christian university speaks volumes. The fact that not one of these jerks decided to tell the truth about the loss of a life is heartbreaking. This is our future folks, basic human decency has left the building. My deepest condolences to his family.

  • @kevinconnor3187
    @kevinconnor3187 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @Big_Tex
    @Big_Tex Рік тому +1

    Dang I used to live on Lake Travis. Will never forget jet skiing in the middle of the night, which I only realized later was illegal.

  • @gailkelly4651
    @gailkelly4651 Рік тому

    Hi lovey....just hanging in for the night. When days mount up and i am alone I take a whole night to listen to your great videos.....You have such great insight and looks with a touch of humor. Thank you so much. 😎❤️🙋🇺🇸🌹

  • @cottontails9003
    @cottontails9003 Рік тому +4

    Good evening Dr Grande , that was a brilliant analysis. I'd also like to thank you for the great content you upload daily , it certainly makes my day. Brilliant analysis and tragic outcome and informative topic.

    • @zenawarrior7442
      @zenawarrior7442 Рік тому +1

      Hello again 👋💕🦋💚

    • @cottontails9003
      @cottontails9003 Рік тому

      @@zenawarrior7442 Hello beautiful friend. Have been missing you. If it's not too personal how's your mum. ?😏😜❤💙💚💖✉🌷🌷🌷

  • @SwimminWitDaFishies
    @SwimminWitDaFishies Рік тому

    I set this video to play 4 times last night but never got past the first 15 seconds because I kept falling asleep! Dr Grande's voice is truly magical and better than sleeping pills!

  • @vanessakirchner3503
    @vanessakirchner3503 5 днів тому

    When a young man dies and then his friends spend 5 minutes or less looking for him and lie about it so easily, there should definitely be consequences.

  • @G.Sharb1
    @G.Sharb1 Рік тому

    “…The shiny spinny thingy that makes the water angry.” Dr. Grande, man you crack me up😂 keep it up, love the videos!

  • @JoyOgbatue
    @JoyOgbatue Рік тому +2

    Great video!!! Can you please do a video on Jas and Tas Whitehead please? 😊

  • @sweetpea6843
    @sweetpea6843 Рік тому

    What a sad story.... Your analysis is right on...

  • @vaccavo
    @vaccavo Рік тому +2

    Dr. Grande, where is your vídeo about Anne Heche? I am sure you made one about her. I am from Brasil and didn't know about the car crash.

  • @kalan4787
    @kalan4787 Рік тому

    I watched the first 20 minutes of the movie Alive and I was super stoked to fly in a plane through the Andes. Now I'm sitting in a snow drift chewing on Bob's barbecued leg; ...if only I'd listened to Dr. Grande's sage advice to watch the whole movie before copying it, I'd be sitting in the warmth and comfort of my own home chewing on Bob's barbecued leg with fava beans and nice Chianti.

  • @nancyevans7946
    @nancyevans7946 Рік тому

    Once again, a very sad and tragic episode and then you pop in with the Titanic quip! Your mind is beyond explainable!! 👍

  • @Mr.Chris.P.Bacon1
    @Mr.Chris.P.Bacon1 Рік тому

    9:39
    “Shiny spinning thing that makes the water angry…” 😂😅😂

  • @tombreckinridge6218
    @tombreckinridge6218 2 дні тому

    Shiny spinny little metal thingy that makes the water angry 🤣

  • @samlsd9711
    @samlsd9711 Рік тому +3

    Alcohol is a deadly drug that no one knows it is.
    When young and excessively consume alcohol, with immaturity, on top of that the alcohol effect that impairs judgement all of it is a recipe for a disaster.