STOP DOING THIS! 5 BAD Elite Smash Habits : Bowser & Sephiroth Gameplay Analysis
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Analyzing some Bowser and Sephiroth Elite Smash games to point out some very common and bad wifi habits and how to punish them.
1. Reckless Edgeguard attempts
2. Stalled specials off stage
3. Spamming Spotdodge or too comfortable in Shield
4. Not Mixing up Landing options
5. Burning DJ too early / Always Recovering High
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Been a while since we last did an analysis and along with Bowser, this time we've got some Sephiroth to add to the mix!
The 5 bad habits we go over in this analysis video:
1. Reckless Edgeguard attempts
2. Stalled specials off stage
3. Spamming Spotdodge or too comfortable in Shield
4. Not Mixing up Landing options
5. Burning DJ too early / Always Recovering High
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When cart is on the ground it is a command grab. And when it’s in the air it’s a shield-able move to my knowledge
Reverse edge guarding someone who fishes for an offstage spike is so satisfying.
Captain falcons 😂
landing a wolf flash spike reverse edgeguard and landing back on stage is literally better than morphine
@@yourehereforthatarentyou I was fighting a wolf who kept trying to spike with down air and result in him SD 2 times within the first 1 minute of the match
@@wildberry752 i’ve been there. trick is you don’t wanna down air too far down from ledge, or else you can’t make it back
@@yourehereforthatarentyou Yeah i think some wolf players forget they aren't Fox and can not go that low
I wish more players did videos like this, I love hearing what good players were thinking during games. I’d love more of these videos
If Steve jumps out of the cart it can then grab you out of shield. A lot of Steves will stay in cart until it hits your shield and then immediately jump out so it can grab you
I wonder if countering the cart would be a good option
Ok I just finished the video and it was really nice to see how you deal with cart as bowser. I struggle with that match up because i know cart is coming but I didn’t know how to beat it. I’d sub again if I could. Let’s get 3k bois!
Thanks for letting me know!
@@phy_ It mostly works against big bodies like bowser but sometimes if youre playing someone like Sephiroth you can try to jump and do back air to catch their jump.
You probs already know this but you can avoid the setup by just rolling in and it wont have enough time to hit you
Edit: shouldve been more specific but you wait till the minecart hits you then you roll in before it can grab you.
The new "up tilt covers everything" is "sephiroth's up smash covers everything"
literally
LOL I was so close to saying it but I was like mmm I wanna see it work as much as Bowser Up tilt works for me first 😂 shoulda just said it for the memes
@@phy_ yeah its super slow but it would be funny if u said it in a seph guide or something lol
@@phy_ do it for the memes
Definitely a big help to learning from mistakes we've all made at some point! I've been guilty of being reckless when it comes to edgeguarding and being to comfortable when shielding at times when I look at some of my replays and it's a habit I've been working on to fix. Cheers to the video Phy, keep up the great work on your video's!
Yeah 100% I’ve made some of these mistakes in the past as well! Thank you for watching and supporting!
Yup, was about to comment that Steve in the minecart will do damage while jumping out will grab you but was beaten to the punch. That Sephiroth usmash to close out the game was clutch!! You ducked right under that cart like it was no problem. Fantastic video, I will keep in mind not to let my anxiousness mess up my game and mix up my options much more. And congratulations on 3k subscriptions! I knew you could do it!
Thanks crimson! The comments have def helped me understand cart more. Yeah honestly the Up Smash was me just throwing out a big hit box on tilt LOL but hey it worked
I’ve seen that kart jank, idk what the frame data is on it. Sick video, I like Seph more than cloud, but that’s just me. You already know we love the bowser clips 😂 excellent reverse edge guarding, that shits always dope
Yeah man the comments have helped me understand cart some more so I’m grateful.
LOVING Sephiroth too. Better than I thought he was initially and I’m so glad
That Cloud was such an elite Could lol I've faced so many with those same habits. Congrats on 3k before the end of the year!!! (I know you dont quite have it but I believe in you)
LOL VERY WiFi Cloud. Thank you! I posted this video, went back to sleep and we hit it!
I LOVE HOW YOU SHOWED THE CLIP OF THE BAD HABIT WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT IT!!! LIKE IF YOU BROKE HIS SHEILD YOU SHOWED IT :000
HOLY SHIT I LUV THIS EDITING
Thanks dude glad you enjoyed! Happy holidays !
Your bowser steve match up was amazing I’ve haven’t been able to beat any Steve in the top 1% GSP yet they get the best of me with their weirdness
Very cool man! I'm always trying to get better at recognizing and punishing bad habits, and these videos are a big help.
Glad to hear it man!
Dude keep up the bowser analysis content, your bowser is fucking amazing, and I've gotten a lot better learning from you 💯
Glad to hear that man!
This series of guides and tips sparked my passion as a bowser main. There is truly nothing more satisfying than playing bowser.
Dawg this is the best way to grow your channel this information is so valuable pump out these videos often!
Too many times have I tried to punish a spotdodge online but was just a few frames too late.
Yeah online you’ll have to do it on read not reaction, which does suck unfortunately
What great quality content! Bowser is so fun to both play and watch, congrats on 3k subs 😊
Thank you so much!
I'm so happy to see how far along you've come!
Thank you!
I love watching your videos!! If possible do you think that you can do a guide with bowser against min min? I'm always losing that match up. Hope you get to 3k soon :)
Ooh I do have an AWESOME min min replay that I want to cover soon, stay tuned!
Congrats on 3K Phy!
Thank you bro!
Your channel is incredible! Keep up the great stuff, I love your analysis and your honesty with your gameplay. And anything bowser related always hits the spot
Thanks glad you enjoy it!
The good videos just keep coming!! Thanks again for the tips and Anjou the new year!
Thank you! You too!
Heres to a 10k future man congrats
Thanks man!
Can't believe you don't have 100k+ subs! Your content is great, especially for someone like me completely new to smash and trying to learn. Keep it up!
Thank you this means a lot!
10k next please! Great analysis like always!!!!!
We’ll get there :)
Happy new years hope you hit 3k today!
Thank you! We did it!
Another analysis video. One of my favorite types of videos of yours.
Thank you!
I feel like sepheroths counter is underrated
I feel like Sephiroth down tilt is underrated
I feel like sephiroth is underrated
This is a great video! By the way, what are your tips for effectively escaping combos and juggles? Both as a whole and as Bowser?
DI and mixing up landing options!
yoooooo lets gooo u reach ur sub goal
thank you for always coming thru man!
Just found this video, loving the Sephiroth stuff. I usually counter the kart vs Steve. It hits counter and if they have jumped out it usually warns them to not do it or they try to hit you and sit in it and it just crushes them. Not the greatest way to deal with it but it works for me.
I'm surprised you didn't point out one of my bad habits
Being trash
Great content bro nicely done. When I play Zelda on on elite smash I never use her zoning tools or neutral be and people online still get salty lol
Maybe being able to cancel flare charging could just be a good bait for carts?
Oh that’s a great idea, I definitely underutilize flare canceling
Hope you do more vids like this, especially with sephiroth. very informative.
Dude love your Bowser!
is it really worth to move the opponent after the shield break as bowser? i found that it indtroduces a possibility for mistake and it isn't needed most of the times, if you start charging right away you can have it go off automatically before they recover
As Bowser sometimes you'll need to add some damage with fire breath, or move them to the edge to kill them if the percent is too low
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Found this dudes channel randomly in my recommended and I’ve already watched like 20 videos
Awesome !
I really needed this video. Been getting destroyed by this Zelda in elite name Mimi .
I’ve seen Ned counter the mine cart several times
7:10 I have a feeling that Steve was me? As soon as I saw that I remembered fighting a Seph on that specific stage and dying to an upsmash at the end.
Do you remember the Steve's tag by chance? (I know this was nearly a year ago so it's unlikely).
And also, if you ever see this, here's a few things about cart:
Frame 18, Minecart appears frame 1.
Minecart's HP cannot hit 0% for the first 17 frames (called TDM by the majority of Steve players). This allows him to go through moves like Megaman fsmash, charge shot or a slightly misspaced aerial. Due to Seph's great range this isn't much of a problem because if a hitbox touches Steve during startup (like fair freezing when hitting cart), he'll get hit out of it.
Minecart has 7HP normally but in 1v1s it has 8.4HP. Steve himself has some armour but it's kb based so you usually don't need to worry about it.
Can be jumped out of on frame 25 (I think. It might be a little earlier), Steve can act frame 1 after jumping out.
Against Steve you wanna play in the midrange. As Seph it's easier due to his range. You can poke Steve out of cart and you can space around grab.
There's likely a few more little details but this is what I can remember off the top of my head.
Seph counter recks cart, but be careful for when he jump out cause it becomes a grab.
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I love seeing a good steve player but for every one of those there are 10 that spam cart lol
yeah man it was silly how hard a time I was having dealing with it with Sephiroth LOL
Great video, helpfull advices, thanks phy
I think the cart grabbing you has to do with whether or not you were standing on the ground when it hit you or the time between Steve jumping out and the cart hitting you. One or the other, or both, I'm not 100% certain.
I think you’re right !
Nice analysis
As a steve main it's good to see this video and be reminded that spamming minecart vs bowser doesn't work lol
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Do subs affect the algorithm?
I'm not sure but I would think so, but simply more subs = more views
I'm not going to watch the video to know: stop spot dodging 24/7
I'm hungry
Honestly, going off with a fair isn't a bad "habit" if you can be safe about it by forcing an air dodge, an up b, or a trade. The red Bowser's first two attempts that he got punished for were just very poorly timed and spaced; he left the stage extremely late into your recovery. Like you said on the third one, you tried to go low but he still caught you. You also went low the first two times, and if he'd not gone late and caught you on those, you'd have lost a stock and likely been conditioned to recover high the third time, at which point he could try baiting you. But all Bowser players do the run off/fair at some point; he just didn't execute correctly.
All of this isn't to say that I think it's a good thing to do that every time, however, and it certainly depends on the character you're facing against (Bowser's size and recovery makes it easier to connect the fair on him than against a G&W or Palutena, for example), because some characters have hard counterplay to it if they anticipate it. But in the examples in this video, he doesn't immediately lose a stock if he doesn't misspace his fair like he did twice here. For example, you (as Bowser) in the area below the stage you were in can't air dodge or double jump/air dodge through his fair and then recover fast enough to punish him with an attack and still make it to ledge before he recovers.
EDIT: Also want to say that I discovered you this morning and have really been enjoying your videos and subbed. I may disagree a slight bit about this one point, but you've got a great Bowser, a great insight on smash fundamentals, and a great way of explaining your thoughts. I learned today about the little blue streak indicating DI on Bowser's up throw this morning, and I'm going to start incorporating that into my play ASAP.
Fair as an edgeguard tool in itself isn’t bad at all, in fact it’s amazing. What I was pointing out in the video was the way this specific player did the same run off fair everytime and kept getting punished for it. Since he was doing it the same way everytime and kept getting punished, I’d say it was a bad habit lol. And I put myself low in order to punish it on purpose because I took note of that habit.
Welcome to the channel !
@@phy_ If we’re being realistic about it, though, the first time something happens, it’s not a habit, and the second time he did it, you didn’t really have to adjust at all; he just put himself in a place where you could kill him.
In that first instance, you did what any Bowser would have done after taking that side b knock back, which is fair and fast fall, taking you out of tumble and getting you back to the relative safety of the ledge sooner. If you didn’t fast fall, he’s in an easy advantage state, so it was the clear choice. In this situation, he should have seen that you had fallen much too far to be hit with a forward air off stage and edge guarded you from on stage. You didn’t dodge him intentionally or anything; you were already fast falling long before he made the attempt, and he just put himself right in your lap, making it an easy whiff punish.
In the second instance, you didn’t actually make any adjustments to your recovery, even if you saw him do it once already. All you did was forward air to remove tumble and then hold left toward the stage without fast falling, which is as standard a low recovery attempt as it gets. His mistake was likely assuming you’d jump earlier than you needed straight into the Bowser falling at you, which is a reckless way to play at most. You punished him the same way you did in the first instance, but that was again because he had chosen a bad time to do it and put himself right into your lap for a back air without you having to do anything, not because he had a bad habit of employing a typically good edge guard in Bowser’s run off/fair. You started low because that’s how Bowser recovers unless the opponent forced him to go high, and then when he made a move both late and too early (late in that he was out of range of making you drift into his fair and early in that you could see it coming before you got too low to both react and fully recover), you just waited it out and punished. It’s sort of a watered down version of a Ganondorf trying for Warlock Punch mixups in neutral. It’s not a bad habit; it’s a bad strategy, and you just wait it out and whiff punish.
And then the third time he did it, he got the spacing and timing right and succeeded.
What I’m trying to say is that, if anything, the advice to this guy should be that a player needs to understand sooner whether their run off/fair will whiff or will guaranteed result in a hit, a trade, or a forced high recovery and allow themselves the patience to bail on a bad plan instead of that they had a bad habit of running off and forward airing, because it is a good strategy; they just implemented it at bad times the first two times and succeeded on the third.
Nah this game was a few rematches in, and I reverse edgeguarded him the same way more than 5 times in previous games because he kept going for run off fair the same way everytime. It was a habit. One that I already recognized which is why I recovered that way to reverse edgeguard him.
The habit was careless edgeguading the same way everytime. And the advice would be to mix up how you go about edgeguarding and ledgetrapping to be more successful with it and to not get reversed
@@phy_ That definitely adds some context to what you put in the video and makes more sense if that's the case. Him doing that certainly would have made you more likely to continue going lower than usually necessary like in that second instance. In light of what you told me, I'd say that advice is sound.
@@phy_ Thanks for spending that time with me in the comments of a nearly month-old video, lol. I appreciate the work you do on this platform.
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5:05 i would disagree with u but ur right lmao
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@@phy_ yeah it does kinda suck no kill power and i dont believe theres a damage boost i could be wrong though.
To be fair. Against Steve you should just camp. Let him get material because if he gets diamond then you should just feel MORE inclined to camp him.
He can counter his side b too
Wait so you can sheild for minecart😱
If they’re in the cart yes!
@@phy_ oh
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