It never ceases to amaze me how the best videos and channels on UA-cam, UNDESERVEDLY have the least amount of attention. LOVE YOU GUYS AND LOVE THE CONTENT ✨☀️✨🔥
thanks for this episode. very powerful. especially appreciated Joseph bringing up the compulsion and addiction to information on a granular and mimetic level. it's difficult to release the temptation to be in the know.
57:38 Lisa is right on the money here. We must have a spiritual experience in order to companion rather than sleepwalk into our own evil. We need a higher strength to be able to return to our shadow and not run away from it. We also need a community within which to practice meaningful good. I'm not sure Jung spoke much about communities, but they are another... Actually THE other essential element.
This is an episode I wish everyone would listen to. The concept of us looking inside at our own shadows is so important, especially right now. I see people allowing themselves to be swept along and it worries me.
What a mix of emotions and thoughts I'm having listening to this! The multiple references to and development of Jung's writing keeps me in love with the ideas. The timeliness of world events gives me the strangest sensation of not being alone in my existential aloneness.
This was so powerful. Thank you for all that you do, to bring light to this world. 🥰 I loved the Jung quote which basically said if people have a feeble sense of self, they will be carried like a feather by every wind sweeping through the dominant culture. In addition, I was meditating and suddenly had this clear views that like Jung said, the most important thing you can do to make the world a better place is become more conscious of yourself. Unconscious people hurt people. One of the best thing you can do is stop the cycle of hurt by not being driven by vague uncontrollable reactions.
Thanks for this episode, you remember us how important is to be aware of our capacity to harm, to reflect on the ways in which we wish to contribute to the world, and to cultivate compassion for our fellow man. Much love and gratitude!🙏🥰
How many wars are going on right now? There are 32 ongoing conflicts in the world right now, ranging from drug wars, terrorist insurgencies, ethnic conflicts, and civil wars. Also in the US, we often point to the atrocities committed in WW2 and rarely point to the atrocities our ancestors committed to First Nation people, blacks, buffaloes and nature.
But should we really bear "the atrocities our ancestors committed..." if our individual ancestors did not participate in the commitment of any of these atrocities? I struggle to accept that the majority of us need to bear and accept the enormous weight of the wrong doings of the collective unconscious of our ancestors, during a time in which their psyche and the psyche of their country was still primitive and characterized by extreme shadow. After all, isn't it more appropriate to break the cycle of darkness and shadow of our ancestors, than carry it to the present with guilt and reparations?
@@alexbutlerful sure if you completely ignore cause and effect, like ripples in a pond, sound waves never end...unless interference is introduced to the waves path.
One of my favourites episodes. Collective Guilt, something I've been struggling with for long time specially when it comes to climate change for instance. Thank you as always for such an intelligent discussion on some of the darker aspects of our era. Also, could you guide me to where I might find the Jung article/essay on collective guilt mentioned in this episode? Thank you!! Love you!!!
I totally agree that we all struggle with maintaining appropriate awareness of our own shadow, which leaves us vulnerable to projecting it onto others. This also applies to other aspects of shadow besides the perpetrator. Crime victims and the grief-stricken often experience this - so many modern people, cocooned from the reality of death and suffering by our false technological sophistication, struggle with truly empathizing with victims of interpersonal violence and other terrible traumas. It's far easier and less emotionally fraught to push these experiences away rather than listening and understanding that such pain is universal, that we all could just as easily be the victim, but for the fickle nature of fortune.
My thought was that: We are all protected from exposure to evil from infancy to prevent emotional trauma that is deemed, by the supervising adult, to be insurmountable to a child. Even the way it is handled is hidden. If we don't learn how life works in childhood we lose the opportunity to observe the entire process of resolution. We are manipulated to believe that real life does not include unnecessary pain or evil. Instead, it should be analyzed at the time to learn from it and children should not be kept from knowledge of life’s problems. It leads to lack of trust for being kept ignorant, and fear of having no control to protect oneself. The emotional dilemma should be embarked on through exposure and support while a child learns firsthand the methods that are effective in real situations. Children lose an opportunity to base their values on reality or learn successful reactions while obstacles are less harmful. Denying evil exists creates a false sense of security that carries on over generations. Religions, philosophical theories, belief systems and laws are created to resolve a hypothetical problem that no one ever solved from its initial appearance. Obviously things get swept under the rug. That is clear by the lack of ability to label specific factors that precipitated the problem you discussed. It was allowed to develop over generations rather than be squelched the first time it appeared. It was essentially ignored to see if it would solve itself. I imagine that people didn’t have the wherewithal to develop a logical strategy to understand & stop the first signs of harmful behavior at its source of motivation, but the fallout could have warned them to be more prepared to face it again. We can’t learn from elders who never experienced solving problems successfully from start to finish when they themselves weren’t taught how to solve a less invasive problem with practical experience. My perspective is purely hypothetical, but I can see that early denial impedes mental processing of recognizing evil, or its control.
Some more food for thought, how is it that we continue to repeat the same mistake over and over again because we refuse to accept this aspect of ourselves. We would rather supress and project it onto others.
While it is important to realize that we are part of a collective and we need to be ever mindful of our responsibilities, I would like to caution those that are already the conscientious not to take on the guilt and responsibilities of others. Unfortunately, there will always be those that have no problem dumping their responsibilities on anyone who will take them on.
Our imagination has been rail roaded toward every possible potential dystopia If we allow a positive beneficial images to grow and flourish in our imagination and attempt to live it then won’t that too vibrationally influence all of us?
I just watched a video about the grandchildren of Nazi's. They spoke of trauma being passed down through epigenetics and of how Nazi ideology damaged their lives even though they did not know what their grandparents had done during WW II. These grandchildren participate in March for Life with Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. They find that asking for forgiveness from Jewish survivors helps free them from collective guilt.
I have no interest in being led. Therefore, I would prefer to do away with leaders. I prefer voluntary, loving, mutually constructive creations. Thank you for the many hours of kind offerings you have bestowed upon us throughout the year in such a kind and generous manner. Many blessings. 🩵💛🩵
It never ceases to amaze me how the best videos and channels on UA-cam, UNDESERVEDLY have the least amount of attention.
LOVE YOU GUYS AND LOVE THE CONTENT ✨☀️✨🔥
Super informative and amazing conversation that needs to be heared. Thank you so much 🙏💕
Thank you Lisa, Deb and Joseph.
45:00 - 48:40 What Joseph is saying here seems to me it's so important, I keep coming back to it.
agreed! me, too!
thanks for this episode. very powerful. especially appreciated Joseph bringing up the compulsion and addiction to information on a granular and mimetic level. it's difficult to release the temptation to be in the know.
57:38 Lisa is right on the money here. We must have a spiritual experience in order to companion rather than sleepwalk into our own evil. We need a higher strength to be able to return to our shadow and not run away from it. We also need a community within which to practice meaningful good. I'm not sure Jung spoke much about communities, but they are another... Actually THE other essential element.
This is an episode I wish everyone would listen to. The concept of us looking inside at our own shadows is so important, especially right now. I see people allowing themselves to be swept along and it worries me.
What a mix of emotions and thoughts I'm having listening to this! The multiple references to and development of Jung's writing keeps me in love with the ideas. The timeliness of world events gives me the strangest sensation of not being alone in my existential aloneness.
This was so powerful. Thank you for all that you do, to bring light to this world. 🥰 I loved the Jung quote which basically said if people have a feeble sense of self, they will be carried like a feather by every wind sweeping through the dominant culture. In addition, I was meditating and suddenly had this clear views that like Jung said, the most important thing you can do to make the world a better place is become more conscious of yourself. Unconscious people hurt people. One of the best thing you can do is stop the cycle of hurt by not being driven by vague uncontrollable reactions.
Thanks for this episode, you remember us how important is to be aware of our capacity to harm, to reflect on the ways in which we wish to contribute to the world, and to cultivate compassion for our fellow man. Much love and gratitude!🙏🥰
Love you guys too. Much respect.
How many wars are going on right now? There are 32 ongoing conflicts in the world right now, ranging from drug wars, terrorist insurgencies, ethnic conflicts, and civil wars. Also in the US, we often point to the atrocities committed in WW2 and rarely point to the atrocities our ancestors committed to First Nation people, blacks, buffaloes and nature.
But should we really bear "the atrocities our ancestors committed..." if our individual ancestors did not participate in the commitment of any of these atrocities? I struggle to accept that the majority of us need to bear and accept the enormous weight of the wrong doings of the collective unconscious of our ancestors, during a time in which their psyche and the psyche of their country was still primitive and characterized by extreme shadow. After all, isn't it more appropriate to break the cycle of darkness and shadow of our ancestors, than carry it to the present with guilt and reparations?
❤ just think if everybody used the proper terms for things we would still have 32 conflicts on this Earth❤❤
@@alexbutlerful sure if you completely ignore cause and effect, like ripples in a pond, sound waves never end...unless interference is introduced to the waves path.
The projection of evil has shifted its character
One of my favourites episodes. Collective Guilt, something I've been struggling with for long time specially when it comes to climate change for instance. Thank you as always for such an intelligent discussion on some of the darker aspects of our era. Also, could you guide me to where I might find the Jung article/essay on collective guilt mentioned in this episode? Thank you!! Love you!!!
Please identify the essay you are exploring here. Thank you.
It's called "After the Catastrophe"
I wonder which article or essay the talk was reffering to
Thank you ..I have survived Mass Trauma
I totally agree that we all struggle with maintaining appropriate awareness of our own shadow, which leaves us vulnerable to projecting it onto others. This also applies to other aspects of shadow besides the perpetrator. Crime victims and the grief-stricken often experience this - so many modern people, cocooned from the reality of death and suffering by our false technological sophistication, struggle with truly empathizing with victims of interpersonal violence and other terrible traumas. It's far easier and less emotionally fraught to push these experiences away rather than listening and understanding that such pain is universal, that we all could just as easily be the victim, but for the fickle nature of fortune.
My thought was that: We are all protected from exposure to evil from infancy to prevent emotional trauma that is deemed, by the supervising adult, to be insurmountable to a child. Even the way it is handled is hidden.
If we don't learn how life works in childhood we lose the opportunity to observe the entire process of resolution. We are manipulated to believe that real life does not include unnecessary pain or evil.
Instead, it should be analyzed at the time to learn from it and children should not be kept from knowledge of life’s problems. It leads to lack of trust for being kept ignorant, and fear of having no control to protect oneself.
The emotional dilemma should be embarked on through exposure and support while a child learns firsthand the methods that are effective in real situations. Children lose an opportunity to base their values on reality or learn successful reactions while obstacles are less harmful.
Denying evil exists creates a false sense of security that carries on over generations. Religions, philosophical theories, belief systems and laws are created to resolve a hypothetical problem that no one ever solved from its initial appearance.
Obviously things get swept under the rug. That is clear by the lack of ability to label specific factors that precipitated the problem you discussed. It was allowed to develop over generations rather than be squelched the first time it appeared. It was essentially ignored to see if it would solve itself.
I imagine that people didn’t have the wherewithal to develop a logical strategy to understand & stop the first signs of harmful behavior at its source of motivation, but the fallout could have warned them to be more prepared to face it again.
We can’t learn from elders who never experienced solving problems successfully from start to finish when they themselves weren’t taught how to solve a less invasive problem with practical experience.
My perspective is purely hypothetical, but I can see that early denial impedes mental processing of recognizing evil, or its control.
love the use of AI for the video cover photo
Some more food for thought, how is it that we continue to repeat the same mistake over and over again because we refuse to accept this aspect of ourselves. We would rather supress and project it onto others.
While it is important to realize that we are part of a collective and we need to be ever mindful of our responsibilities, I would like to caution those that are already the conscientious not to take on the guilt and responsibilities of others.
Unfortunately, there will always be those that have no problem dumping their responsibilities on anyone who will take them on.
We need to engage in enlightened actions.
Our imagination has been rail roaded toward every possible potential dystopia
If we allow a positive beneficial images to grow and flourish in our imagination and attempt to live it then won’t that too vibrationally influence all of us?
I just watched a video about the grandchildren of Nazi's. They spoke of trauma being passed down through epigenetics and of how Nazi ideology damaged their lives even though they did not know what their grandparents had done during WW II. These grandchildren participate in March for Life with Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. They find that asking for forgiveness from Jewish survivors helps free them from collective guilt.
Joseph could you turn up
Your speaker please? Thank you ☺️
We’re confusing fear with excitation
Joyful and safe enjoyment are not fearful
What Jung's esssay are you talking about?
ahistoryofthepresentananthology.blogspot.com/2013/06/after-catastrophe-by-carl-jung-1945.html
The 3 young Palestinian men were in Burlington, Vermont.
🤔 vicarious redemption v. vicarious responsibility. Intresting stuff no dout...🤔
Yes the bombing of England and Germany was horrific..and.. atomic weapons were dropped on 2 cities in Japan.
Do not neglect the horrors of the Western Hemisphere. Those were not even considered newsworthy.
I have no interest in being led. Therefore, I would prefer to do away with leaders. I prefer voluntary, loving, mutually constructive creations. Thank you for the many hours of kind offerings you have bestowed upon us throughout the year in such a kind and generous manner. Many blessings.
🩵💛🩵