Fun fact: this was an afternoon game with the University of Houston scheduled to host Texas A&M in football afterward. Because this game went almost 4 hours thanks to extra innings and the long double-protest argument, and it took 4 hours to convert the Astrodome over to football, the college game kicked off at 11:33 p.m. Houston had the option of moving the game to Rice Stadium but didn't want to give up the home field advantage of the Astrodome. The delay didn't hurt them--the Cougars won 17-13.
I've heard of the epic triple play before but watching this whole game through is like a magical mystery tour of epic and suspenseful weirdness. I just sat through the first 6 1/2 innings and I am captivated. Last few days I just randomly decided to watch the whole series straight through knowing ClassicPhilliesTV has all of it here. It certainly has not disappointed. The pace of play is so much nicer than today's game.
It's astonishing watching the difference in pace. NO WALK UP MUSIC and pitchers got rid of the ball in less than 10 seconds. Not sure why it's so hard for MLB to go back and watch how it used to work. This series is awesome. A great winter watch. Thanks for the comment Bill
This is classic by any standards. If you were watching this ENTIRE series in 1980, I dont know if you could take it if you were a fan of either team. Simply incredible series. And the games themselves, 4 of 5 in extras? NUTS
@@johnnolan33177 I mean isn't Tim McCarver a prime example of that? I dunno why but I get choked up when I think of his shell-shocked fit of laughter on the air after the Phils secured the final out. That seemed to be a profound emotion that Tim did not know how to express with words.
@@johnnolan33177 I was 22 years old and this series is still my greatest memory for me. I watched every inning with my grandfather before he passed away, sharing a case of beer every night. I can't recall anything better. This triple play stuff was amazing!
Thank you for posting this. I was at this game. I sat just above the Phillies dougout. I was 10 years old and could hardly see because everyone was standing up for most of the game but there were many things I remember vividly such as Pete Rose running into Bochy to score the winning run. This is the first time I have seen this game since it happened back in 1980. I just wish we would have won.
riotusa1 well, I feel your pain, but if it’s any consolation, I was 16 back then and born and raised in South Philly, our town exploded that night. It felt like New Year’s Eve. And when we beat the Royals in game 6 at the Vet with lefty pitching that game, we knew we had it.
Garry Maddox wore a beard because during military service in Vietnam, he was exposed to chemicals that affected his skin. The beard was to protect his skin from sunlight and other things that would irritate it.
This best of five NLCS would be hard to top. The Philies prevail 3-2, winning two out of the last three games in Houston. Four of the five games, including the deciding game five, go into extra innings. The announcing team might be my favorite, except it didn't include Vin Scully. Cosell is Cosell, regardless of what he's doing behind a microphone-he does inject a sense of excitement, just by his style, where he begins with this crescendo dialogue, even if what he's saying isn't all that dramatic. Then you have Keith Jackson, Mr. college football, but certainly able to announce baseball. Finally, you have Don Drysdale, who provides the expert insight. My favorite best of series, regardless of the format, or whether it was a Division Series, Championship Series or the World Series.
Sure was. I was 3, Glad to have this chance to see 5 incredible games, all making up 1 incredible series. Best of my experience. I can imagine watching this then. I might be dead.
I wasn't born until a year and 10 months after this series happened, but I certainly grew up hearing about it. Constantly. It's nice to be able to finally see it for myself.
What a series. I remember it well. Pete Rose was phenomenal. The league should put this man in the Hall of Fame. He paid his dues or debt which every word you want to use. There is alot of worst things that had happened in the world of professional sports than gambling. Thanks Phillies for a memorable game, series and World Series. My Phillies won it all that year. 😃 2022
42:53 this game, The play in game 3 when Schmidt had to charge toward 1st on a HIGHHHHH bouncer and gunned low and Rose had to dig the throw, when the run was gonna score. And now this!??? After another high bouncer earlier he gunned out fast Cabell! INcredible!!! The one the day before was one of the best plays I NEVER seen!! IDK how its not in highlight reels. You can find it in my comment in game 3. Schmidt was the Gold Glove I think also this year as well as MVP and Silver Slugger.
It certainly was, although frankly, there weren't very many good ones in the 16 years it was a best-of-five (1969-'84). The only good ones were the ones in 1972 (both went the distance), the 1973 NLCS between the Reds and Mets, the ALCS in both 1976 and '77 (Yankees-Royals), the 1981 NLCS between the Dodgers and Expos, the 1982 ALCS between the Angels and Brewers, and the 1984 NLCS between the Cubs and Padres. That's it in the best-of-five era in the LCS out of a possible 32 series. In fact, both LCS in 1969, '70, and '75 ended in sweeps, and numerous other LCS in that era ended up in sweeps. The LCS was also an anti-climax in both leagues in 1971, '74, '79, and '83. So when talking about good LCS in the best-of-five era, there really wasn't very much to choose from. That said, this series ranks above all other LCS and most World Series, in terms of competitiveness throughout the entire series.
This was a 4 PM ET start and the reason on the TV broadcast Don Drysdale is doing play by play in early innings is because Keith Jackson was in Dallas doing the Oklahoma/Texas football game which was a 12:30 PMET kickoff. Jackson arrived in the middle of the 4th inning and took over play by play from there. Had games 3-5 been in Philly Jackson would likely have missed games 3 and 4.
1:18:44 that ball was trapped. It bounced. The pitcher lets you know by his own reaction, throwing to 1st rather than to 2nd then to 1st. It was the only out he could get, he thinks the umps seen it bounce, OTHERWISE< he would go for the lead runner at 2nd, why in the world, if you have a chance to get both runners out, would you throw to 1st instead of the runner in scoring position. He is on the mound, its a lot harder to get the webbing under the ball. Totally ridiculous. THE PITCHER threw to 1st. Simple thats how you know, the pitcher knows he trapped the ball
And the umpires blew that one, as well, because Mike Schmidt missed the tag at third base. The runner, Gary Woods, should have been ruled safe. But that play also was a fitting way for perhaps the single most chaotic inning in MLB post-season history to end.
2:36:30 I believe Morgan could have got Schmidt but understanding Pete Rose baseball IQ knew if he did get Schmidt, Rose would have scored if not for a perfect throw to home so he held it. Two old Reds that know baseball and Morgan knows Pete Rose could have tried to score. Tried to trick Rose, and Pete with his baseball IQ didnt fall for it.
Yup… a coupla crusty veterans…. Plus, they were best friends when they played together… I recall the story where they were eating breakfast before game three of the ‘73 NLCS and reading Bud Harrellson’s comments in the paper where he said that he thought the Reds hitters were intimidated …. Morgan said they agreed that whichever of the two of them was the first to get to second base, it was his job to let him know how they felt about his comments…. Pete was the one…. LOL! Those guys were fanatically motivated about the game!
Rose never broke stride, which reflects on his great baseball instincts. Still, with as hard as it was hit, and the location (left field line basically), combined with the ball being thrown by Cruz to the cutoff man, who even though he hesitated for no reason (it was like he was thinking "no one tries to score on this hit, so I'm going to hold the ball for half a second"-for what? to not waste your arm? Christ, it's the 10th inning, even if Rose stops at third (late, and has to back pedal) you want to have a shot at throwing behind him, coming back to third?) With this unwise hesitation by the rely man, some 150 or so feet from home plate, they still had him dead. Landestoy uncorks a good throw, that third string catcher Bochy should have moved his lazy ass up two friggin' feet, to catch the ball in the air, but instead tries to field a tough short hop, which caroms off his chest protector with rose still seven feet away from home plate, which shows you how much time Bochy had to move up, catch it in the air, turn to his left and tag Rose who hadn't even gotten parallel with Bochy yet. But when it caromed off his chest protector, it rolled towards an oncoming Rose, which prevented Bochy from being able to retrieve it in time, allowing Rose to knock the plate blocking Bochy over (without the ball) out of the way. Most incredible best of five series ever,
Why did they pitch to lefty-hitting Puhl in the ninth with first base open and one out and a right-handed batter (Enos Cabell) next? And...why didn't Puhl take second on the throw home to put the winning run in scoring position?
Of course Ruhle didn't catch the ball. On the replay from the camera beyond the right field wall, which was THE definitive camera angle, you can clearly see the ball hit the dirt on the pitching mound just before Ruhle grabbed it and threw to first. You can't blame the Astros for trying to squeeze an extra out from that play while the umpires were thoroughly confused. The question was, how could the first base and right field umpires (and the commentators, as well) NOT see the dirt flying from right in front of Ruhle from where the ball hit the dirt on the home plate side of the pitcher's mound before Ruhle grabbed it, since they could have seen the dirt fly from in front of Ruhle. The dirt flying should have made it obvious to anyone watching that it was a trap, not a catch.
Also - the way Rhule reacted after getting the ball indicates to me that he trapped it... he immediately, seemingly by rote, turned and threw the ball to 1st base (what you do on a grounder). If he thought he had caught the ball on the fly, then he would have at least looked at 2nd base to see if he could double off the lead runner.
Schmidt had such a terrible series but bounced back with a World Series MVP, which seemed fitting after the Monster season he had in 1980. Great, great memories.
Might Have? That was clearly a bounce! It should have been 2nd and 3rd 1 out! Thats why the pitcher didnt go for the lead runners! He went to 1st base because he knew if he went for 2nd then 1st he gets no outs! But he did the right thing threw to 1st gets the out like hes supposed to after a trap, then two umps come in and say he caught it!! Idiots
Then in the 8th the umps blow a call that Leanord caught a ball, HE CLEARLY TRAPPED. AGAIN the call benefits the astros, Schmidt gets doubled up on a blown call in scoring position. The Astros should have not even had a shot in this game TBH, with all the help they had from the umps, had they called the game right, this game likely would have been a blowout, def not into extra innings. But its part of the lore of the series, making it the best NLCS ever by the estimations of many.
The umps sucked in this game. How the hell is Doug Harvey in the hall of fame. Bad calls and a strike zone that make Eric Greggs look like a pea zone. Umpires do not deserve any hall of fame recognition.
Here's a question. Should the third run the Phillies scored in the eighth inning have even counted? I thought that a run can't score when the third out is made on a force play, and the third out on the double play that ended the top of the eighth was a force out, because Mike Schmidt got doubled off first base when Manny Trillo's sinking liner was ruled a catch (which may have been a highly dubious call itself, because it looked like a trap). It that's true about a run not counting when the third out is made on a force out (as Schmidt being doubled off second would have been), then the Astros may very well have been cheated out of the 1980 National League championship, because the run they scored in the ninth to tie this game would not only have won the game, but also the series.
Schmidt was doubled off first (not second) and it was not a force play, so therefore Rose could tag up and attempt to score on the play. If the out at first had occurred before Rose touched home, the run would not have counted.
I mentioned that Schmidt was doubled off first base when Manny Trillo's sinking liner was ruled a catch, which itself may have been a dubious call. But since it was ruled a catch, making Trillo the second out of the inning, Schmidt had to get back to first base, since he thought the ball had been trapped and never tagged up, and since he apparently never did, exemplified by the fact that third out was made by the Astros touching first base for a force out situation, that means the third out was a force out, and the run should not have counted. But that was simply par for the course in this outrageous game.
Run counts as Rose crossed the plate before the out is recorded (forced or not). The bigger question to me is , SINCE it was ruled a catch, Rose clearly left early, as he's halfway down the line when the camera pans on him, no way he's that far down tagging (so he probably never was on the bag tagging). That said, I think the ball was trapped.
@@donb9860 I don't think there's any question the ball was trapped on that particular play, as was the case on the disputed double/triple play earlier in the game. That was also clearly a trap. For such an expert umpiring crew, have there been so many blown calls in one game, some of them very obvious?
Lonnie Smith got himself in some great postseason series, including this ridiculous NLCS and the 1991 World Series (I think the greatest World Series ever.). Also the Pittsburgh cocaine thing!
ccjjpp1966 And ironically, Carlton was on the Cardinals when umpire Doug Harvey, who was so central in this fiasco, was the one that called Lou Brock out when he tried to score standing up in Game 5 of the 1968 World Series, which turned that entire series around, as the Tigers came back to win that game, blew out the Cardinals 13-1 in Game 6, and then beat Bob Gibson to win it all. And I wonder if people realize that Steve Carlton wasn't even the #2 starting pitcher on that staff. While it was obvious that Gibson was the ace of that staff, the #2 starter on those Cardinal teams was actually Nelson Briles, who not only was a key on the Cardinal staff in the late 60s, but also was a key member of the Pirates pitching staff in 1971, when they toppled the Orioles in that year's World Series, pitching a 2-hitter in Game 5 to give the Pirates the series lead. The only shame about this NLCS between the Astros and Phillies was that, since the Astros needed a one-game tie-breaking playoff to beat the Dodgers, the ultimate dream pitching match-up of Nolan Ryan going against Steve Carlton never happened. Carlton pitched Games 1 and 4 and Ryan pitched in Games 2 and 5. But the dream Ryan-Carlton match-up was about the only thing missing from this series.
Cosell, 132,000 fans went to the Vet to see the Phillies play 2 games, noone has forsaken this team. They just let them hear it when they dont see effort. Did you hear in game 2 when Rose dove for a ball at full speed and missed it? He got a loud cheer. EFFORT. Thats all we expect. Still with that Philly stereotype even back then, bc of a drunk Santa Clause in a dirty brown suit who gave no effort. Dont drink til after the game, and get a red suit!
IF THAT WAS TRULY a triple play, IF HE KNEW he caught the ball, the pitcher would have turned to 2nd base to get the lead runner and then to 1st to get the trail runner, to KNOWINGLY, get the base runners and complete the triple play, or at least the lead runners, NEER GO FOR THE TRAIL RUNNERS, when two other runners are off their base after you just caught the ball in the air. Anyone who knows baseball knows this to be fact. The fact he knowing he trapped it, he was forced to settle for the only play he had, the batter running to 1st. It clearly bounced.
How could you say that the PROTEST WILL NOT BE VALIDATED even before the game is over, when you have 0 outs, and 2 men on base and a BLOWN CALL GIVES YOU A TRIPLE PLAY? Oh lets give them 1 guy on base, this way we wont have to validate their protest, because after careful scrutiny, as was baseball always back then,ALWAYS umps blowing calls, but I never sen a blown triple play in a NLCS, turned into a DP out of incompetence. Should have been 1 out, like the pitcher knew, THAT IS WHY HE WENT TO 1ST BASE! He knew he never caught it. Then the Astros Protest, after getting the benefit of a MISSED call, and protest LOL
John Nolan - A team can only protest a call against them, when an interpretation of the rule is in question. If the Phillies protest was that the ball was trapped and not caught, this is a judgement call by the umpire. You can’t protest a judgement call. The Astros actually had a legitimate protest, saying that the play should not have been called dead with a runner standing on 3rd and not being allowed to finish the play to triple him up.
But wouldn't the proper play in that situation have been to go to second, regardless of whether the ball was caught or trapped? That way, it would have been a certain double play, and if it had been ruled a catch (which it wasn't, as the replay from right field showed, though it was ruled that way), then it becomes a triple play.
I am so glad that the Phillies won after hat Triple Play fiasco. If yoou dont know, you cant just assume, and THEY STILL CALLED A DOUBLE PLAY! IF ITS A DOUBLE PLAY, ITS A TRIPLE PLAY. If its NOT Then its 1 out. Simple.
Spurs19921993 I've always like Cruz. Whenever the Astros were on the game of the week, I liked watching Cruz. I'm from Philly but I always found him to be the nucleus of that team. He was a great defensive left fielder and a consistent 300 hitter.
Absolutely..stategy..small ball, running over catchers...dont see that in todays pus.sy generation Now all you see is a ton of strikeouts until some lame player(Berringer) hits the correct launch angle then you got the lead and 6 strikeouts later tou have a champion.. Fkk that, I'll pass, watch something else and I know I'm not alone..
I'd say the '99 NLCS between the Mets and Braves is the closest we've seen since. The '04 ALCS is legendary but it also had a bunch of blowout games, including the decisive one. '80 and '99 were nailbiters the whole way through.
pronkb000 And of course, there were the LCS in both leagues in 1986. Since the adaption of the LCS in 1969, there have been legendary series in each league, of which this one from 1980 is the best, but I don't think there has ever been a year in which both LCS were as compelling as the two LCS were in 1986, though 2003 was close. On one hand, you had the NLCS between the Astros and Mets, which had the two best pitchers in the NL in '86, Dwight Gooden and Mike Scott, not to mention the legendary Nolan Ryan, who Gooden battled in an epic power pitcher's duel, and three extra-inning games, including the legendary 16-inning affair at the Astrodome. Then in the ALCS, you had the Red Sox and the Angels in another epic showdown filled with some of the greatest performers in the game, with Don Sutton winning Game 4 to bring the Angels to within a game of the AL title, and of course that epic Game 5. That doesn't get a lot of publicity because of the anticlimactic finish.
***** '86 is definitely a contender for greatest overall postseason ('03 is possibly the best Wild Card Era postseason, but is hurt a bit by not getting the Cubs and/or Red Sox into the WS, which would have capped it off brilliantly). 1980 didn't have a compelling ALCS (though it was very satisfying for Yankee-haters) and neither did '99. Here's an under-the-radar pick for best overall year of playoffs: 1992. An unbelievably tense WS with lots of drama and 9th-inning comebacks and Toronto finally shedding its "Blow Jays" label. If it had gone 7 games, it'd be up there with '91 and '75 as far as WS go. Plus a legendary Game 7 in the NLCS. And an ALCS between two very well-matched teams in Toronto and Oakland highlighted by Robbie Alomar's dramatic 9th inning HR off Eckersley--sadly no one really gave a shit, because it was the A's and Blue Jays. Maybe not as great as '86 but in the running for 2nd, at least.
In fact, the 1980 ALCS had the same result as this year's (2014) edition had, a sweep by the Kansas City Royals. In fact, the Royals' sweep in 1980 may have been a big reason why the Yankees went after Dave Winfield for 1981, the same Dave Winfield that got the hit that won the 1992 World Series for the Toronto Blue Jays. And in the years since the LCS became a best-of-seven affair, 1986 was the year that came closest to having the maximum number of games played, as 20 of a possible 21 LCS and World Series games were played in '86, a total matched in 2003. The only years every possible LCS and World Series game that could be played was played were in 1972 and '73, as all 17 possible LCS and World Series games that could have been played those two years were played.
Cosell with his rambling about Doug Harvey having "vision impairment" implies the umpire was suffering a medical condition when Howard should have simply stated Harvey's view of the play was blocked. At the end of the game, Cosell then makes an awkward statement "they've been forsaken by their own fans, the Phillies" which was utter nonsense.
Such a negative broadcast crew against the Phils on ABC. Cosell (NY) and Drysdale (LA) were obvious Phillies haters. So glad Phils won this series. RIP Dallas Green.
You really shouldnt tell the score before people tart watching the game. some people might not know anything some might know the phils win but not what games. Some just might wanna watch a game without knowing the score. Ya ever see Seinfeld when the Mets Phillies game was taped? Thanks though, dont wanna sound ungrateful, Ijust hate reading comments and someone blurts out Here at 3 hours 3 mins and 3 seconds i a walk off homer by Greg Luzinski with Rose and Schmidt on base! Constructive criticism I guess.
1:11:01 "THE HOUSTON ASTROS SEEM TO BE PLAYING WITH AN ADDITIONAL ALLY ON THEIR SIDES KNOWN AS DESTINY" 1:28:12 "THIS TEAM CAN TASTE THE DON" Howard Cosell Lets see what happens from that point on in he next 2 games
He, Curt Gowdy, and Red Barber were all proof that it wasn't all better in the good ol' days. Cosell was a pompous windbag who was nowhere near as intelligent as he thought. Listening to Gowdy and Barber was like listening to paint dry.
Man, when baseball was baseball. No B.S. video replay. Chub smoking and Cosel babbling away in his inimical way and managers yelling and screaming. That's what made the game great. No longer. A game of stetoid robots now with zero creativity. BORING
In Game 5 he doesn't start Ruthven, he starts a rookie who wasn't with the team the whole year. Then when he finally gets the lead, his first reliever is Tug McGraw who had thrown his arm off in games 1-4 and had nothing left. Of course Dallas had overused him. So predictably Tug gives up the lead because what more could you expect. Then he goes to Ruthven for innings 9 and 10. Should have gone to Ruthven in the 8th, you wouldn't have had extra innings. I know Tug is a gamer who wants to be out there but the manager has to keep that in check. That's what made me realize how poorly Dallas managed the series and got away with it. Oh and playing Lonnie Smith in this game instead of the Bull.
Fun fact: this was an afternoon game with the University of Houston scheduled to host Texas A&M in football afterward. Because this game went almost 4 hours thanks to extra innings and the long double-protest argument, and it took 4 hours to convert the Astrodome over to football, the college game kicked off at 11:33 p.m. Houston had the option of moving the game to Rice Stadium but didn't want to give up the home field advantage of the Astrodome. The delay didn't hurt them--the Cougars won 17-13.
That is amazing. And then they flip the field back to baseball for Game 5. Was it an afternoon game?
@@DanStrayerGame 5 was a night game. The game was started at 7 pm edt.
I've heard of the epic triple play before but watching this whole game through is like a magical mystery tour of epic and suspenseful weirdness. I just sat through the first 6 1/2 innings and I am captivated.
Last few days I just randomly decided to watch the whole series straight through knowing ClassicPhilliesTV has all of it here. It certainly has not disappointed. The pace of play is so much nicer than today's game.
It's astonishing watching the difference in pace. NO WALK UP MUSIC and pitchers got rid of the ball in less than 10 seconds. Not sure why it's so hard for MLB to go back and watch how it used to work. This series is awesome. A great winter watch. Thanks for the comment Bill
This is classic by any standards. If you were watching this ENTIRE series in 1980, I dont know if you could take it if you were a fan of either team. Simply incredible series. And the games themselves, 4 of 5 in extras? NUTS
@@johnnolan33177 I mean isn't Tim McCarver a prime example of that? I dunno why but I get choked up when I think of his shell-shocked fit of laughter on the air after the Phils secured the final out. That seemed to be a profound emotion that Tim did not know how to express with words.
@@johnnolan33177 I was 22 years old and this series is still my greatest memory for me. I watched every inning with my grandfather before he passed away, sharing a case of beer every night. I can't recall anything better. This triple play stuff was amazing!
I've wondered over the years what Angel would have ruled?
the greatest five game lcs in history
This was a simply amazing series.
i realize I am kind of randomly asking but do anyone know a good website to watch new series online ?
@Ezequiel Davis flixportal =)
@Fabian Ryland Thank you, I went there and it seems to work :D Appreciate it!!
@Ezequiel Davis Happy to help xD
That was a great series!
Should stick around, game 5 is a dandy, ranked in the top of all time. Series wise, its even higher.
86 series with the mets was better
Thank you for posting this. I was at this game. I sat just above the Phillies dougout. I was 10 years old and could hardly see because everyone was standing up for most of the game but there were many things I remember vividly such as Pete Rose running into Bochy to score the winning run. This is the first time I have seen this game since it happened back in 1980. I just wish we would have won.
riotusa1 well, I feel your pain, but if it’s any consolation, I was 16 back then and born and raised in South Philly, our town exploded that night. It felt like New Year’s Eve. And when we beat the Royals in game 6 at the Vet with lefty pitching that game, we knew we had it.
@@nightowl5475 Lefty pitched THIS game!
Favorite Philly players,
Rose
Dykstra
Utley
Garry Maddox wore a beard because during military service in Vietnam, he was exposed to chemicals that affected his skin. The beard was to protect his skin from sunlight and other things that would irritate it.
Always liked Maddox. Hope he's doing well.
I remember reading that.
The secretary of defense.
Pete Rose! “Making it happen!”
It said that at the beginning and then did it! What a GREAT ball player!
This best of five NLCS would be hard to top. The Philies prevail 3-2, winning two out of the last three games in Houston. Four of the five games, including the deciding game five, go into extra innings. The announcing team might be my favorite, except it didn't include Vin Scully. Cosell is Cosell, regardless of what he's doing behind a microphone-he does inject a sense of excitement, just by his style, where he begins with this crescendo dialogue, even if what he's saying isn't all that dramatic. Then you have Keith Jackson, Mr. college football, but certainly able to announce baseball. Finally, you have Don Drysdale, who provides the expert insight. My favorite best of series, regardless of the format, or whether it was a Division Series, Championship Series or the World Series.
Keith Jackson joined the game in progress because he had announced the Texas-Oklahoma game in Dallas.
I have seen the full game.
It was like a trip back in time.
At the time I did not see because I was a little boy.
Nostalgia for the not lived ツ
Sure was. I was 3, Glad to have this chance to see 5 incredible games, all making up 1 incredible series. Best of my experience. I can imagine watching this then. I might be dead.
I wasn't born until a year and 10 months after this series happened, but I certainly grew up hearing about it. Constantly. It's nice to be able to finally see it for myself.
What a series. I remember it well. Pete Rose was phenomenal. The league should put this man in the Hall of Fame. He paid his dues or debt which every word you want to use. There is alot of worst things that had happened in the world of professional sports than gambling. Thanks Phillies for a memorable game, series and World Series. My Phillies won it all that year.
😃 2022
"Solid Gold will be seen in it's entirety immediately after the game". Man, is that funny for those of is of that age.
I dont think Cosell realizes sexual innuendo. 41:44
2:23:52 How could you not love baseball. Some people dont understand it. Look at the coaches, everything going on this play
41:45
Howard: How those balls hang!
lol - nice catch!
what a game and series
42:53 this game, The play in game 3 when Schmidt had to charge toward 1st on a HIGHHHHH bouncer and gunned low and Rose had to dig the throw, when the run was gonna score. And now this!??? After another high bouncer earlier he gunned out fast Cabell! INcredible!!! The one the day before was one of the best plays I NEVER seen!! IDK how its not in highlight reels. You can find it in my comment in game 3. Schmidt was the Gold Glove I think also this year as well as MVP and Silver Slugger.
Back when baseball was good
What a great game!
pete rose for hall of fame.
Joshua: It's certainly the best in the 3-of-5 era.
It certainly was, although frankly, there weren't very many good ones in the 16 years it was a best-of-five (1969-'84). The only good ones were the ones in 1972 (both went the distance), the 1973 NLCS between the Reds and Mets, the ALCS in both 1976 and '77 (Yankees-Royals), the 1981 NLCS between the Dodgers and Expos, the 1982 ALCS between the Angels and Brewers, and the 1984 NLCS between the Cubs and Padres. That's it in the best-of-five era in the LCS out of a possible 32 series. In fact, both LCS in 1969, '70, and '75 ended in sweeps, and numerous other LCS in that era ended up in sweeps. The LCS was also an anti-climax in both leagues in 1971, '74, '79, and '83. So when talking about good LCS in the best-of-five era, there really wasn't very much to choose from.
That said, this series ranks above all other LCS and most World Series, in terms of competitiveness throughout the entire series.
@@cjs83172 The White Sox won Game 1 in 1983 and probably should have won Game 4 (lost in 10 innings), so that was hardly anticlimactic.
This was a 4 PM ET start and the reason on the TV broadcast Don Drysdale is doing play by play in early innings is because Keith Jackson was in Dallas doing the Oklahoma/Texas football game which was a 12:30 PMET kickoff. Jackson arrived in the middle of the 4th inning and took over play by play from there. Had games 3-5 been in Philly Jackson would likely have missed games 3 and 4.
was 13 years old, mowing my neighborns yard, missed all of this
Id sue them for traumatizimg my entire childhood
1:18:44 that ball was trapped. It bounced. The pitcher lets you know by his own reaction, throwing to 1st rather than to 2nd then to 1st. It was the only out he could get, he thinks the umps seen it bounce, OTHERWISE< he would go for the lead runner at 2nd, why in the world, if you have a chance to get both runners out, would you throw to 1st instead of the runner in scoring position. He is on the mound, its a lot harder to get the webbing under the ball. Totally ridiculous. THE PITCHER threw to 1st. Simple thats how you know, the pitcher knows he trapped the ball
On the play that ended the bottom of the 4th... Lonnie Smith got a putout, an assist, and an error... don't see that too often.
And the umpires blew that one, as well, because Mike Schmidt missed the tag at third base. The runner, Gary Woods, should have been ruled safe. But that play also was a fitting way for perhaps the single most chaotic inning in MLB post-season history to end.
@@cjs83172 Do you think the crazy Rangers-Blue Jays 8th inning in 2015 topped it? I think it comes close.
@@cjs83172 16th inning of Mets-Astros Game 6.
GREAT DAY IN PHILLIES HISTORY!!!
wow, luzinski with two game winning hits
2:36:30 I believe Morgan could have got Schmidt but understanding Pete Rose baseball IQ knew if he did get Schmidt, Rose would have scored if not for a perfect throw to home so he held it. Two old Reds that know baseball and Morgan knows Pete Rose could have tried to score. Tried to trick Rose, and Pete with his baseball IQ didnt fall for it.
Yup… a coupla crusty veterans…. Plus, they were best friends when they played together… I recall the story where they were eating breakfast before game three of the ‘73 NLCS and reading Bud Harrellson’s comments in the paper where he said that he thought the Reds hitters were intimidated …. Morgan said they agreed that whichever of the two of them was the first to get to second base, it was his job to let him know how they felt about his comments…. Pete was the one…. LOL! Those guys were fanatically motivated about the game!
The commercials at 1:52:40 are great. Right after another controversy
2:13:55 future successful major league manager with no idea that he's about to take a big belt on the chops on national TV
3:18:47 Luzinski hits the pinch double and here comes Pete Rose barreling in to score the go-ahead run.
Rose never broke stride, which reflects on his great baseball instincts. Still, with as hard as it was hit, and the location (left field line basically), combined with the ball being thrown by Cruz to the cutoff man, who even though he hesitated for no reason (it was like he was thinking "no one tries to score on this hit, so I'm going to hold the ball for half a second"-for what? to not waste your arm? Christ, it's the 10th inning, even if Rose stops at third (late, and has to back pedal) you want to have a shot at throwing behind him, coming back to third?) With this unwise hesitation by the rely man, some 150 or so feet from home plate, they still had him dead. Landestoy uncorks a good throw, that third string catcher Bochy should have moved his lazy ass up two friggin' feet, to catch the ball in the air, but instead tries to field a tough short hop, which caroms off his chest protector with rose still seven feet away from home plate, which shows you how much time Bochy had to move up, catch it in the air, turn to his left and tag Rose who hadn't even gotten parallel with Bochy yet. But when it caromed off his chest protector, it rolled towards an oncoming Rose, which prevented Bochy from being able to retrieve it in time, allowing Rose to knock the plate blocking Bochy over (without the ball) out of the way. Most incredible best of five series ever,
Charlie Hustle
Del Unser with the basket catch in the 11th inning. Probably the last guy to use that style.
The mets traded unser to the Phillies but, i can't remember for who.
Ricky Henderson perhaps (?)
1:52:45 Dat flying OJ doe.
2:16:23 Fortunately Solid Gold is not being preempted.
it made my teenage heart (and other parts) happy to see that!
2:49:08...Schmidt was right and the ump was wrong, the right fielder never caught that ball!
Why did they pitch to lefty-hitting Puhl in the ninth with first base open and one out and a right-handed batter (Enos Cabell) next? And...why didn't Puhl take second on the throw home to put the winning run in scoring position?
52:10 the contested triple play and the 30 minutes or so of discussion and arguing, including National League President Chub Feeney
No way he caught that ball
Of course Ruhle didn't catch the ball. On the replay from the camera beyond the right field wall, which was THE definitive camera angle, you can clearly see the ball hit the dirt on the pitching mound just before Ruhle grabbed it and threw to first. You can't blame the Astros for trying to squeeze an extra out from that play while the umpires were thoroughly confused.
The question was, how could the first base and right field umpires (and the commentators, as well) NOT see the dirt flying from right in front of Ruhle from where the ball hit the dirt on the home plate side of the pitcher's mound before Ruhle grabbed it, since they could have seen the dirt fly from in front of Ruhle. The dirt flying should have made it obvious to anyone watching that it was a trap, not a catch.
Also - the way Rhule reacted after getting the ball indicates to me that he trapped it... he immediately, seemingly by rote, turned and threw the ball to 1st base (what you do on a grounder). If he thought he had caught the ball on the fly, then he would have at least looked at 2nd base to see if he could double off the lead runner.
Man that took a long time to sort out. I think it bounced. And bowa's ground ball would've scored a run if they got it right.
Schmidt had such a terrible series but bounced back with a World Series MVP, which seemed fitting after the Monster season he had in 1980. Great, great memories.
Gary freakin Woods!!!
Managers don't give the umpires hell like they did back in the day.
Boy, that 4th inning might have been very different with modern video replay technology.
Might Have? That was clearly a bounce! It should have been 2nd and 3rd 1 out! Thats why the pitcher didnt go for the lead runners! He went to 1st base because he knew if he went for 2nd then 1st he gets no outs! But he did the right thing threw to 1st gets the out like hes supposed to after a trap, then two umps come in and say he caught it!! Idiots
How the hell was the Phillie Phanatic allowed on the field in Houston?
He was very popular, like the San Diego chicken, they traveled with the teams
Then in the 8th the umps blow a call that Leanord caught a ball, HE CLEARLY TRAPPED. AGAIN the call benefits the astros, Schmidt gets doubled up on a blown call in scoring position. The Astros should have not even had a shot in this game TBH, with all the help they had from the umps, had they called the game right, this game likely would have been a blowout, def not into extra innings. But its part of the lore of the series, making it the best NLCS ever by the estimations of many.
The umps sucked in this game. How the hell is Doug Harvey in the hall of fame. Bad calls and a strike zone that make Eric
Greggs look like a pea zone. Umpires do not deserve any hall of fame recognition.
Here's a question. Should the third run the Phillies scored in the eighth inning have even counted? I thought that a run can't score when the third out is made on a force play, and the third out on the double play that ended the top of the eighth was a force out, because Mike Schmidt got doubled off first base when Manny Trillo's sinking liner was ruled a catch (which may have been a highly dubious call itself, because it looked like a trap). It that's true about a run not counting when the third out is made on a force out (as Schmidt being doubled off second would have been), then the Astros may very well have been cheated out of the 1980 National League championship, because the run they scored in the ninth to tie this game would not only have won the game, but also the series.
Schmidt was doubled off first (not second) and it was not a force play, so therefore Rose could tag up and attempt to score on the play. If the out at first had occurred before Rose touched home, the run would not have counted.
I mentioned that Schmidt was doubled off first base when Manny Trillo's sinking liner was ruled a catch, which itself may have been a dubious call. But since it was ruled a catch, making Trillo the second out of the inning, Schmidt had to get back to first base, since he thought the ball had been trapped and never tagged up, and since he apparently never did, exemplified by the fact that third out was made by the Astros touching first base for a force out situation, that means the third out was a force out, and the run should not have counted. But that was simply par for the course in this outrageous game.
Run counts as Rose crossed the plate before the out is recorded (forced or not). The bigger question to me is , SINCE it was ruled a catch, Rose clearly left early, as he's halfway down the line when the camera pans on him, no way he's that far down tagging (so he probably never was on the bag tagging). That said, I think the ball was trapped.
You guys forgot about when the Astros had a run taken off the board in the bottom of the 6th when they said Gary Woods left 3rd base too early.
@@donb9860 I don't think there's any question the ball was trapped on that particular play, as was the case on the disputed double/triple play earlier in the game. That was also clearly a trap. For such an expert umpiring crew, have there been so many blown calls in one game, some of them very obvious?
Lonnie Smith got himself in some great postseason series, including this ridiculous NLCS and the 1991 World Series (I think the greatest World Series ever.). Also the Pittsburgh cocaine thing!
The only thing that would have made it better was the Astros winning it.
According to you...but not to others!
I'll concede it was nice that Steve Carlton and Mike Schmidt got their only rings after beating the Royals.
dskyyksd Actually...Steve Carlton won one with the Cardinals in 1967!
ccjjpp1966 And ironically, Carlton was on the Cardinals when umpire Doug Harvey, who was so central in this fiasco, was the one that called Lou Brock out when he tried to score standing up in Game 5 of the 1968 World Series, which turned that entire series around, as the Tigers came back to win that game, blew out the Cardinals 13-1 in Game 6, and then beat Bob Gibson to win it all.
And I wonder if people realize that Steve Carlton wasn't even the #2 starting pitcher on that staff. While it was obvious that Gibson was the ace of that staff, the #2 starter on those Cardinal teams was actually Nelson Briles, who not only was a key on the Cardinal staff in the late 60s, but also was a key member of the Pirates pitching staff in 1971, when they toppled the Orioles in that year's World Series, pitching a 2-hitter in Game 5 to give the Pirates the series lead.
The only shame about this NLCS between the Astros and Phillies was that, since the Astros needed a one-game tie-breaking playoff to beat the Dodgers, the ultimate dream pitching match-up of Nolan Ryan going against Steve Carlton never happened. Carlton pitched Games 1 and 4 and Ryan pitched in Games 2 and 5. But the dream Ryan-Carlton match-up was about the only thing missing from this series.
Astros short hopped both of those plays
Cosell, 132,000 fans went to the Vet to see the Phillies play 2 games, noone has forsaken this team. They just let them hear it when they dont see effort. Did you hear in game 2 when Rose dove for a ball at full speed and missed it? He got a loud cheer. EFFORT. Thats all we expect. Still with that Philly stereotype even back then, bc of a drunk Santa Clause in a dirty brown suit who gave no effort. Dont drink til after the game, and get a red suit!
IF THAT WAS TRULY a triple play, IF HE KNEW he caught the ball, the pitcher would have turned to 2nd base to get the lead runner and then to 1st to get the trail runner, to KNOWINGLY, get the base runners and complete the triple play, or at least the lead runners, NEER GO FOR THE TRAIL RUNNERS, when two other runners are off their base after you just caught the ball in the air. Anyone who knows baseball knows this to be fact. The fact he knowing he trapped it, he was forced to settle for the only play he had, the batter running to 1st. It clearly bounced.
How could you say that the PROTEST WILL NOT BE VALIDATED even before the game is over, when you have 0 outs, and 2 men on base and a BLOWN CALL GIVES YOU A TRIPLE PLAY? Oh lets give them 1 guy on base, this way we wont have to validate their protest, because after careful scrutiny, as was baseball always back then,ALWAYS umps blowing calls, but I never sen a blown triple play in a NLCS, turned into a DP out of incompetence. Should have been 1 out, like the pitcher knew, THAT IS WHY HE WENT TO 1ST BASE! He knew he never caught it. Then the Astros Protest, after getting the benefit of a MISSED call, and protest LOL
John Nolan - A team can only protest a call against them, when an interpretation of the rule is in question. If the Phillies protest was that the ball was trapped and not caught, this is a judgement call by the umpire. You can’t protest a judgement call. The Astros actually had a legitimate protest, saying that the play should not have been called dead with a runner standing on 3rd and not being allowed to finish the play to triple him up.
But wouldn't the proper play in that situation have been to go to second, regardless of whether the ball was caught or trapped? That way, it would have been a certain double play, and if it had been ruled a catch (which it wasn't, as the replay from right field showed, though it was ruled that way), then it becomes a triple play.
I am so glad that the Phillies won after hat Triple Play fiasco. If yoou dont know, you cant just assume, and THEY STILL CALLED A DOUBLE PLAY! IF ITS A DOUBLE PLAY, ITS A TRIPLE PLAY. If its NOT Then its 1 out. Simple.
>6:40 Jose "Cheo" Cruz #25 ★ Astros
Great 👏 👋👋
Spurs19921993 I've always like Cruz. Whenever the Astros were on the game of the week, I liked watching Cruz. I'm from Philly but I always found him to be the nucleus of that team. He was a great defensive left fielder and a consistent 300 hitter.
@Night owl: I'd like to turn the clock back and let Houston win.
When baseball was a real game, whith real baseball players.Not these days diva"s
Absolutely..stategy..small ball, running over catchers...dont see that in todays pus.sy generation
Now all you see is a ton of strikeouts until some lame player(Berringer) hits the correct launch angle then you got the lead and 6 strikeouts later tou have a champion..
Fkk that, I'll pass, watch something else and I know I'm not alone..
I'd even rate it superior to any 4 of 7 LCS.
I'd say the '99 NLCS between the Mets and Braves is the closest we've seen since. The '04 ALCS is legendary but it also had a bunch of blowout games, including the decisive one. '80 and '99 were nailbiters the whole way through.
pronkb000 And of course, there were the LCS in both leagues in 1986. Since the adaption of the LCS in 1969, there have been legendary series in each league, of which this one from 1980 is the best, but I don't think there has ever been a year in which both LCS were as compelling as the two LCS were in 1986, though 2003 was close. On one hand, you had the NLCS between the Astros and Mets, which had the two best pitchers in the NL in '86, Dwight Gooden and Mike Scott, not to mention the legendary Nolan Ryan, who Gooden battled in an epic power pitcher's duel, and three extra-inning games, including the legendary 16-inning affair at the Astrodome. Then in the ALCS, you had the Red Sox and the Angels in another epic showdown filled with some of the greatest performers in the game, with Don Sutton winning Game 4 to bring the Angels to within a game of the AL title, and of course that epic Game 5. That doesn't get a lot of publicity because of the anticlimactic finish.
***** '86 is definitely a contender for greatest overall postseason ('03 is possibly the best Wild Card Era postseason, but is hurt a bit by not getting the Cubs and/or Red Sox into the WS, which would have capped it off brilliantly). 1980 didn't have a compelling ALCS (though it was very satisfying for Yankee-haters) and neither did '99.
Here's an under-the-radar pick for best overall year of playoffs: 1992. An unbelievably tense WS with lots of drama and 9th-inning comebacks and Toronto finally shedding its "Blow Jays" label. If it had gone 7 games, it'd be up there with '91 and '75 as far as WS go. Plus a legendary Game 7 in the NLCS. And an ALCS between two very well-matched teams in Toronto and Oakland highlighted by Robbie Alomar's dramatic 9th inning HR off Eckersley--sadly no one really gave a shit, because it was the A's and Blue Jays. Maybe not as great as '86 but in the running for 2nd, at least.
In fact, the 1980 ALCS had the same result as this year's (2014) edition had, a sweep by the Kansas City Royals. In fact, the Royals' sweep in 1980 may have been a big reason why the Yankees went after Dave Winfield for 1981, the same Dave Winfield that got the hit that won the 1992 World Series for the Toronto Blue Jays.
And in the years since the LCS became a best-of-seven affair, 1986 was the year that came closest to having the maximum number of games played, as 20 of a possible 21 LCS and World Series games were played in '86, a total matched in 2003. The only years every possible LCS and World Series game that could be played was played were in 1972 and '73, as all 17 possible LCS and World Series games that could have been played those two years were played.
1:26:09
I don't get it. Drysdale had read the exact same salacious promo earlier and Cosell wasn't giggling like that at all until Jackson read it.
@@billny33 They weren't the best of friends.
Cosell with his rambling about Doug Harvey having "vision impairment" implies the umpire was suffering a medical condition when Howard should have simply stated Harvey's view of the play was blocked. At the end of the game, Cosell then makes an awkward statement "they've been forsaken by their own fans, the Phillies" which was utter nonsense.
Asi es que la MLB de shows tiene que hacer el vídeo juegos
I hope the director who ordered the camera cut at 1:17:32 was ashamed of himself.
Funny, I didnt hear any trash cans being banged in the astrodome.
Appeal 1:51:18
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I remember it well. One of the worst umpired games I’ve ever seen.
Such a negative broadcast crew against the Phils on ABC. Cosell (NY) and Drysdale (LA) were obvious Phillies haters. So glad Phils won this series. RIP Dallas Green.
You really shouldnt tell the score before people tart watching the game. some people might not know anything some might know the phils win but not what games. Some just might wanna watch a game without knowing the score. Ya ever see Seinfeld when the Mets Phillies game was taped? Thanks though, dont wanna sound ungrateful, Ijust hate reading comments and someone blurts out Here at 3 hours 3 mins and 3 seconds i a walk off homer by Greg Luzinski with Rose and Schmidt on base! Constructive criticism I guess.
It took the Astros 42 years, but they got their revenge, beating the Phil's in the 2022 Series.
1:11:01 "THE HOUSTON ASTROS SEEM TO BE PLAYING WITH AN ADDITIONAL ALLY ON THEIR SIDES KNOWN AS DESTINY"
1:28:12 "THIS TEAM CAN TASTE THE DON"
Howard Cosell Lets see what happens from that point on in he next 2 games
Howard jinxed the stros with that remark… LOL…
"Bat manipulators." Cosell knew nothing about baseball.
He also pegs the "You Gotta Believe" Mets as the 1969 team. No, Howard, that was '73.
((harpo mad face))
Howard Cosell was overrated.
He, Curt Gowdy, and Red Barber were all proof that it wasn't all better in the good ol' days. Cosell was a pompous windbag who was nowhere near as intelligent as he thought. Listening to Gowdy and Barber was like listening to paint dry.
sound sucks
Man, when baseball was baseball. No B.S. video replay. Chub smoking and Cosel babbling away in his inimical way and managers yelling and screaming. That's what made the game great. No longer. A game of stetoid robots now with zero creativity. BORING
Dallas Green is probably one of the absolute worst managers to win a World Series. Just awful.
Wrong!
Ozzie Guillen would like a word with you
He was exactly who we needed in 1980.
he let warren brusstar bat in the ninth inning you're damn right he sucked as a manager.
In Game 5 he doesn't start Ruthven, he starts a rookie who wasn't with the team the whole year. Then when he finally gets the lead, his first reliever is Tug McGraw who had thrown his arm off in games 1-4 and had nothing left. Of course Dallas had overused him. So predictably Tug gives up the lead because what more could you expect. Then he goes to Ruthven for innings 9 and 10. Should have gone to Ruthven in the 8th, you wouldn't have had extra innings. I know Tug is a gamer who wants to be out there but the manager has to keep that in check. That's what made me realize how poorly Dallas managed the series and got away with it. Oh and playing Lonnie Smith in this game instead of the Bull.
I didnt hear any garbage can bangs.