Great video gentlemen! I agree that the 2 best targets for now for the Big Ten are Florida State and Miami. I don't see them going past 20 unless Notre Dame is a part of the package. This is all contingent on if the Super League never happens. If it does, all bets are off.
In the short term the best fox for the ratings problem for the later games is if USC returns to being a natty contender. Also there is going to be pressure on Michigan and Ohio State to host night games
This was a great video! Several takeaways: 1. Deion is a walking gold mine 2. Nebraska, despite being a bad team for two decades, still draws viewers 3. The "downticket" SEC games are consistently rated higher Good stuff ... learned a lot. Thanks!
Your best video ever! B1G moved forward with the 4 additions. If Bill Bellicheck sticks around at UNC could we see a “Deion” ratings affect for UNC? I could definitely see FSU & Miami in the B1G. I could also see GT in the B1G. The question would be would the B1G be able to get UNC? If they did the B1G might attract attention from Texas A&M to jump. Then B1G might go to ND and say now or never.
I'm curious how long "Deion" popularity lasts. Thus far Colorado has improved from a lousy team to an average (Bowl Eligible) squad...Is that good enough?
I think with Colorado, a lot of it is definitely the Dion affect. But you also need to consider they had a diamond in the rough with Travis Hunter that brought more eyes, paired with his son who was putting up Heisman worthy numbers. So I think a few things led to their ratings.
@robertofraire4102 You can say that. But with this tv contract, the Big 10 will probably get 110 million dollar payouts by the end of it. You're possibly looking at 130-160 million payouts in the mid 2030's. The SEC will be around that as well. If those schools get to those numbers. Who is gonna pay Notre Dame 70-85 million a year for 6 games? It's kinda a fact that Notre Dame has to hit a lot of bench marks to hit the the high end money numbers they have in their new deal now. And the facts are we still have no clue what college sports looks like with the salary cap. I know Notre Dame wants to be independent. But you're asking a whole lot, assuming it's just gonna happen. This is a new horizon in college sports. You should prepare yourself today for what may change tomorrow. Expecting your donors to pay more and more and a tv network to pay more and more so you can stay independent. Nobody owes Notre Dame that. College sports is gonna start costing way too much. And the cost will not come down ever again.
@robertofraire4102 It may be a good idea for you to look up Nick Sabans' interview where he talks about donor fatigue. Costs and student athlete's financial demands are going up. Donors are getting sick of answering the phones, shelling out 4 million for players that will leave in 16 weeks. I know the talk is always about tv contracts. But this model is not sustainable. It's less sustainable for a school that's independent. College athletics has a new model. Pay attention.
You have to take into account that the Big Noon time slot is the most valuable time slot in college football due to it having the most eyeballs in the Central and Eastern timezones. Oregon and the rest of the other west coast B1G teams are guaranteed to NOT play in that time slot by contract due to it's 9am kickoff on the west coast, putting these teams at an inherent disadvantage when it comes to TV ratings. That inhrerent decreased TV value is in fact the root of why the Pac 12 fell apart in the first place. Also, Colorado's TV value is extremely inflated currently due to Deion Sanders and is not sustainable once he leaves. As a brand they aren't worth it for the B1G longterm even if they look attractive right now. And, yes, I completely agree that Florida State and Miami should be the B1G's top targets from the ACC footprint for many reasons.
Deion is a big factor to be sure. However, over the course of time, I believe Colorado will rebuild its fan base beyond coach Sanders, provided that they can keep winning.
Texas is difficult. If A&M would reach out and say to the Big 10 we want to join, then you grab them. But that is about a 1% chance. Who else? SMU? TCU? Florida more likely (especially Miami). Why? SEC has no interest in Miami. The most logical pairing is Miami and Florida St. but if FSU goes SEC, USF or UCF are fallback options to go with Miami.
I should have explained better I mean a Florida school not the Gators and a Texas school not the Longhorns. Of all Schools I think Miami is the most likely to end up in the Big 10 followed by Florida St. if they land them, and the SEC takes schools, the pressure is on ND
Doubtful that any available schools in Texas would really get serious consideration by the B1G Ten University Presidents. A&M nor Texas are leaving the SEC. Who else in Texas would be a valid candidate?
Oregon is over valued. USC is under valued. Always has been that way. Oregon represents an ongoing theme with alot of schools in the West. They over value themselves.
@GeorgeLukaszewski Yeah. When I typed that, I knew it needed more context because Oregon fans would take offense to the assertion. Since the video referenced TV ratings, there was only 2 games Oregon played that drew a rating around 4.million. Meaning sometimes when Oregon is playing a school, they are not the TV draw but their opponent is. Oregon is not overvalued. The coverage they get is outsized compared to their accomplishments in some people's opinions. When USC is really good, a lot of people watch them. This is arguably the best Oregon football has ever been, the country barely watches them.
Oregon makes the BIG10 better at football unlike USC tho, they’re contributing to the image of the BIG10 right now which will lead to more playoff selections & more money
Obviously ND is the school that checks all the B1G boxes ( probably with Stanford, unless they asked for BC in return for going B1G (the Eagles do bring hockey)). But leaving them aside, it is obvious that Florida St from a TV and academics perspective makes perfect sense. I am a NO on Clemson. Why? I live in that Greenville/Asheville Market where Clemson is. Very small and questionable academics. Miami is a better choice ( TV market and academics). As for Colorado, they make sense even without Deon. Why? They ( along with ASU) bridges the gap between Nebraska and the west coast and would bring the B1G the fast growing Denver and Phoenix TV markets.
Colorado has been an AAU school since 1962. I'd like to see Kansas move to the SEC to be a travel partner for Missouri. And Nebraska to the SEC along with Colorado as a travel partner.
Until ND decides to join, I think B1G stoos at 20 with Miami & FSU but I cannot dismiss GT's being in Atlanta. B1G loves big markets. If/When ND joins, I think Stanford, ASU & GT (or FSU).
A major recruiting area for Colorado is Texas. Colorado had many great years in Big 8/12. When they went to PAC 12 it hurt their recruiting. The money is great in B1G Ten but the recruiting for Colorado not so good. Look at what happened to Nebraska.
As long as Coach Sanders is at Colorado, recruiting and portal transfers won’t be a problem. What happens if and when Deon leaves? That’s the question in regard to Colorado.
Sorry guys, but I don't feel sorry for NBC. Those geniuses had the rights to broadcast Louisville-Notre Dame in week 4, and refused to allow it to be broadcast, and therefore was not Nielsen rated. That was a 4-6 million TV contest that NBC threw away, not even bothering to say, "No thanks!" You also may be over estimating Miami's ability to draw TV viewers. Yes, they had a 4 million game with Louisville, but what happened when they played Duke: 2 million. Hmmm. Miami had the best team that it has had in the last 20 years. I saw more Miami fans this year than I think that I have seen in the past 20 years combined. So they have fans in the good times, but will they have fans in the meh times?
Toledo!! They actually have a winning record against the bottom of the BiG.Minnesota/Purdue . Have went to and beaten Both Michigan and A Joe Pa Ranked Penn State . Victories at Arkansas/Miss St/A Ranked Pitt. Toledo has given Alabama/Miami serious runs for their money as ranked teams.. That NIU victory at ND Toledo had the Irish on the ropes and lost in the last seconds in ND two years prior… Never going to happen but The Toledo Rockets need to be looked at for expansion by MW again a premier mid level program with many players drafted into NFL… A Record of 35-0 from 1969-1971 Graduated The ONLY undefeated QB in Div 1 history with 3 years worth of starts Chuck Ealy
FSU and Miami are stuck in the ACC. Grant of Rights can’t be overcome. Unless someone buys them out of it. Texas A&M has found a home in the SEC. Don’t know what the buyout is with Colorado.
The Big Ten will dissolve in 2030 because of equal revenue sharing. Just as the PAC 12 dissolved due to equal revenue sharing. Makes no sense for the biggest brands to put up with the unfairness. The biggest brands are going to bolt to form a new conference that allows member schools to negotiate their own TV deals with streaming companies in the market. They see it working great for Notre Dame. The status quo will not continue. And it’s not just the money that will cause Ohio State to bolt. That school is furious about always having to play the Big Noon game. So unfair.
LOL, all the noise about Texas A&M is coming from the B1G. We haven’t heard anyone that matters saying anything whatsoever coming out of A&M. Quite the opposite actually. They aren’t leaving the SEC. I can see Miami, Notre Dame and Colorado being the viable candidates that eventually could be realistic. If we see FSU get their AAU within the next 5 to 6 years, they’ll be a viable candidate as well. Maybe Utah with an outside slim chance as well if FSU can’t get their AAU.
Boo! Look, the Big 10 does not have ESPN. They skip the reality that Texas and Oklahoma went from the Big 12 to the SEC because both conferences have ESPN. Texas and Oklahoma are worth more than these 4 targets. The ACC (ACC Network), SEC (SEC Network) and Big 12 all have ESPN. Nebraska joined the Big 10 when the conference had ESPN. All of those target on the thumbnails are within the ESPN ecosystem. No team is leaving the ESPN ecosystem to join the rival Big 10.
My brother in Christ, ESPN- all by itself- is singularly responsible for the ongoing implosion of the ACC. Those several members of the ACC will Absolutely go in all different directions, and some of those schools will continue to deal with ESPN in a different capacity (reluctantly I might add) and the rest will absolutely go in a different direction, for better or for worse. ESPN is not locking its partners in. It's exactly the opposite.
ABC/Disney/ESPN are far more capable at doing sports than any B1G partner. There’s also the value of the advertising spend vs. the converted value of the viewer to take into account.
Let's face it, the west coast culture doesn't follow college football like the midwest and the south does with the exception of USC. I mean as noted by these number Colorado is breaking their way in.
Here's the list from big 1o insiders, less on ratings more on markets and prestige , Duke Miami ,Virginia, N.Carolina, Georgia Tech, Stanford ,California,Kansas,Tulane , and of course Notre Dame ,I can pretty much say colorado.does not qualify ,
They said them first but that's a dance that's been going on for 100 yrs, ND wants independence as far as their football scheduling and to negotiate their own tv contract while the charter members want them to conform into the league. But these guys are lost, big 10.wants nothing to do.with Colorado or Texas A&M or FSU they would snatch up Duke in heartbeat but that means You have to take UNC too ,I could see that, and they want a Florida market and Miami would be it probably with Kansas
Notre Dame is never ever going to join the big 10. You guys need to read up on your history between Notre Dame and the big 10 schools. We will stay independent and keep our nil money for ourselves.. go Irish☘️
@ Hahaha. Miami is a small private school. You obviously don’t know what being a flagship University means. Google is your friend and you can actually use it to learn what things mean when you don’t understand. Miami couldn’t be a flagship even if it was the only University in Florida. Thanks for the laugh.
Colorado TV rankings are Dion’s TV rankings. If Dion leaves to coach a Big Ten team, those ratings will follow.
Then where will Colorado rank?
Great video gentlemen! I agree that the 2 best targets for now for the Big Ten are Florida State and Miami. I don't see them going past 20 unless Notre Dame is a part of the package.
This is all contingent on if the Super League never happens. If it does, all bets are off.
In the short term the best fox for the ratings problem for the later games is if USC returns to being a natty contender. Also there is going to be pressure on Michigan and Ohio State to host night
games
This was a great video! Several takeaways:
1. Deion is a walking gold mine
2. Nebraska, despite being a bad team for two decades, still draws viewers
3. The "downticket" SEC games are consistently rated higher
Good stuff ... learned a lot. Thanks!
Thanks. Glad you liked it!
Your best video ever! B1G moved forward with the 4 additions. If Bill Bellicheck sticks around at UNC could we see a “Deion” ratings affect for UNC? I could definitely see FSU & Miami in the B1G. I could also see GT in the B1G. The question would be would the B1G be able to get UNC? If they did the B1G might attract attention from Texas A&M to jump. Then B1G might go to ND and say now or never.
I'm curious how long "Deion" popularity lasts. Thus far Colorado has improved from a lousy team to an average (Bowl Eligible) squad...Is that good enough?
Great show, guys! BTW, the sound is excellent!
A&M isn’t going to the B1G Ten. They aren’t going to leave the south and make all their student athletes compete across northern and northwestern US.
I think with Colorado, a lot of it is definitely the Dion affect. But you also need to consider they had a diamond in the rough with Travis Hunter that brought more eyes, paired with his son who was putting up Heisman worthy numbers. So I think a few things led to their ratings.
A 5 star #1 recruit in the nation was a diamond in the ruff.😂😂😂 Man, you guys say anything online.
@ I don’t see how I said anything wrong. Travis Hunter was a huge pull for Colorado and their viewership. How is that a strange take?
@@lorenzohaynes3886😂😂😂 💯 people just speak to hear themselves sound smart 😂😂
The problem is they say the dumbest sh!+ possible
@robertofraire4102 You can say that. But with this tv contract, the Big 10 will probably get 110 million dollar payouts by the end of it. You're possibly looking at 130-160 million payouts in the mid 2030's. The SEC will be around that as well. If those schools get to those numbers. Who is gonna pay Notre Dame 70-85 million a year for 6 games? It's kinda a fact that Notre Dame has to hit a lot of bench marks to hit the the high end money numbers they have in their new deal now. And the facts are we still have no clue what college sports looks like with the salary cap. I know Notre Dame wants to be independent. But you're asking a whole lot, assuming it's just gonna happen. This is a new horizon in college sports. You should prepare yourself today for what may change tomorrow. Expecting your donors to pay more and more and a tv network to pay more and more so you can stay independent. Nobody owes Notre Dame that. College sports is gonna start costing way too much. And the cost will not come down ever again.
@robertofraire4102 It may be a good idea for you to look up Nick Sabans' interview where he talks about donor fatigue. Costs and student athlete's financial demands are going up. Donors are getting sick of answering the phones, shelling out 4 million for players that will leave in 16 weeks. I know the talk is always about tv contracts. But this model is not sustainable. It's less sustainable for a school that's independent. College athletics has a new model. Pay attention.
You have to take into account that the Big Noon time slot is the most valuable time slot in college football due to it having the most eyeballs in the Central and Eastern timezones. Oregon and the rest of the other west coast B1G teams are guaranteed to NOT play in that time slot by contract due to it's 9am kickoff on the west coast, putting these teams at an inherent disadvantage when it comes to TV ratings. That inhrerent decreased TV value is in fact the root of why the Pac 12 fell apart in the first place.
Also, Colorado's TV value is extremely inflated currently due to Deion Sanders and is not sustainable once he leaves. As a brand they aren't worth it for the B1G longterm even if they look attractive right now. And, yes, I completely agree that Florida State and Miami should be the B1G's top targets from the ACC footprint for many reasons.
Deion is a big factor to be sure. However, over the course of time, I believe Colorado will rebuild its fan base beyond coach Sanders, provided that they can keep winning.
except Deion is going to the NFL, The Raiders guarantee to draft son 1, and sign son 2 / Deion will coach. Book it!
Colorado was so overrated lol. Got smashed by two unranked teams and beat nobody. They would get embarrassed in sec or big 10
@@brockrobison8597 Yup. Sucks so bad that the Raiders may end up hiring Prime. Okay 🤪🤡
Actually, with all this conference realignment, it has made me realize that brand names need to become independent like Notre Dame.
Big10 needs into Texas & Florida
Texas is difficult. If A&M would reach out and say to the Big 10 we want to join, then you grab them. But that is about a 1% chance. Who else? SMU? TCU? Florida more likely (especially Miami). Why? SEC has no interest in Miami. The most logical pairing is Miami and Florida St. but if FSU goes SEC, USF or UCF are fallback options to go with Miami.
I don’t see Texas or Florida leaving the SEC. SEC money is about as good as the B1G.
I should have explained better I mean a Florida school not the Gators and a Texas school not the Longhorns. Of all
Schools I think Miami is the most likely to end up in the Big 10 followed by Florida St. if they land them, and the SEC takes schools, the pressure is on ND
Doubtful that any available schools in Texas would really get serious consideration by the B1G Ten University Presidents. A&M nor Texas are leaving the SEC. Who else in Texas would be a valid candidate?
Where do you get your retro team t shirts? Love em. Thanks
Oregon is over valued. USC is under valued. Always has been that way. Oregon represents an ongoing theme with alot of schools in the West. They over value themselves.
Big 10 agrees. That is why USC got a full share immediately and Oregon did not
Oregon at 50% is undervalued - so not sure what you are talking about
@@GeorgeLukaszewskiexactly
@GeorgeLukaszewski
Yeah. When I typed that, I knew it needed more context because Oregon fans would take offense to the assertion.
Since the video referenced TV ratings, there was only 2 games Oregon played that drew a rating around 4.million. Meaning sometimes when Oregon is playing a school, they are not the TV draw but their opponent is.
Oregon is not overvalued. The coverage they get is outsized compared to their accomplishments in some people's opinions. When USC is really good, a lot of people watch them. This is arguably the best Oregon football has ever been, the country barely watches them.
Oregon makes the BIG10 better at football unlike USC tho, they’re contributing to the image of the BIG10 right now which will lead to more playoff selections & more money
Obviously ND is the school that checks all the B1G boxes ( probably with Stanford, unless they asked for BC in return for going B1G (the Eagles do bring hockey)). But leaving them aside, it is obvious that Florida St from a TV and academics perspective makes perfect sense. I am a NO on Clemson. Why? I live in that Greenville/Asheville Market where Clemson is. Very small and questionable academics. Miami is a better choice ( TV market and academics). As for Colorado, they make sense even without Deon. Why? They ( along with ASU) bridges the gap between Nebraska and the west coast and would bring the B1G the fast growing Denver and Phoenix TV markets.
Florida State is a joke academically, sorry.
Colorado has been an AAU school since 1962. I'd like to see Kansas move to the SEC to be a travel partner for Missouri. And Nebraska to the SEC along with Colorado as a travel partner.
Nebraska is NOT going SEC ( unless it is a trade for A&M). Kansas is a yes ( along with UNC, UVA Clemson or Duke)
Virginia tech not Virginia@@davidbrown386
Until ND decides to join, I think B1G stoos at 20 with Miami & FSU but I cannot dismiss GT's being in Atlanta. B1G loves big markets. If/When ND joins, I think Stanford, ASU & GT (or FSU).
Notre dame is never joining the big 10
If/When
A major recruiting area for Colorado is Texas. Colorado had many great years in Big 8/12. When they went to PAC 12 it hurt their recruiting. The money is great in B1G Ten but the recruiting for Colorado not so good. Look at what happened to Nebraska.
As long as Coach Sanders is at Colorado, recruiting and portal transfers won’t be a problem. What happens if and when Deon leaves? That’s the question in regard to Colorado.
I hate how there isnt a power house in the ny and dmv area to draw viewership.
Great Video
Sorry guys, but I don't feel sorry for NBC. Those geniuses had the rights to broadcast Louisville-Notre Dame in week 4, and refused to allow it to be broadcast, and therefore was not Nielsen rated. That was a 4-6 million TV contest that NBC threw away, not even bothering to say, "No thanks!" You also may be over estimating Miami's ability to draw TV viewers. Yes, they had a 4 million game with Louisville, but what happened when they played Duke: 2 million. Hmmm. Miami had the best team that it has had in the last 20 years. I saw more Miami fans this year than I think that I have seen in the past 20 years combined. So they have fans in the good times, but will they have fans in the meh times?
I wish the P2 would just stop. All of this crap just trickles down and hurts everyone below them.
What?
@@stansifer70 Facts! See, I do that too.
No ND, and Stanford as well?
Toledo!! They actually have a winning record against the bottom of the BiG.Minnesota/Purdue . Have went to and beaten Both Michigan and A Joe Pa Ranked Penn State . Victories at Arkansas/Miss St/A Ranked Pitt. Toledo has given Alabama/Miami serious runs for their money as ranked teams.. That NIU victory at ND Toledo had the Irish on the ropes and lost in the last seconds in ND two years prior… Never going to happen but The Toledo Rockets need to be looked at for expansion by MW again a premier mid level program with many players drafted into NFL… A Record of 35-0 from 1969-1971 Graduated The ONLY undefeated QB in Div 1 history with 3 years worth of starts Chuck Ealy
Penn state not doing very well im shocked
Georgia Tech showed up at least twice (vs FSU and vs GA). I think the B1G would love to be in Atlanta.
FSU and Miami are stuck in the ACC. Grant of Rights can’t be overcome. Unless someone buys them out of it. Texas A&M has found a home in the SEC. Don’t know what the buyout is with Colorado.
What’s your thoughts on USF? Especially if we win the aac soon
I think they would jump all over Texas A&M.
The Big Ten will dissolve in 2030 because of equal revenue sharing. Just as the PAC 12 dissolved due to equal revenue sharing. Makes no sense for the biggest brands to put up with the unfairness. The biggest brands are going to bolt to form a new conference that allows member schools to negotiate their own TV deals with streaming companies in the market. They see it working great for Notre Dame. The status quo will not continue. And it’s not just the money that will cause Ohio State to bolt. That school is furious about always having to play the Big Noon game. So unfair.
LOL, all the noise about Texas A&M is coming from the B1G. We haven’t heard anyone that matters saying anything whatsoever coming out of A&M. Quite the opposite actually. They aren’t leaving the SEC. I can see Miami, Notre Dame and Colorado being the viable candidates that eventually could be realistic. If we see FSU get their AAU within the next 5 to 6 years, they’ll be a viable candidate as well. Maybe Utah with an outside slim chance as well if FSU can’t get their AAU.
Miami will bring consistent TV ratings because people love or hate them.
Big 10 can take CU so the Big 12 can back fill with Colorado State! Let’s go Rams!!
Boo! Look, the Big 10 does not have ESPN. They skip the reality that Texas and Oklahoma went from the Big 12 to the SEC because both conferences have ESPN. Texas and Oklahoma are worth more than these 4 targets. The ACC (ACC Network), SEC (SEC Network) and Big 12 all have ESPN. Nebraska joined the Big 10 when the conference had ESPN. All of those target on the thumbnails are within the ESPN ecosystem. No team is leaving the ESPN ecosystem to join the rival Big 10.
My brother in Christ, ESPN- all by itself- is singularly responsible for the ongoing implosion of the ACC. Those several members of the ACC will Absolutely go in all different directions, and some of those schools will continue to deal with ESPN in a different capacity (reluctantly I might add) and the rest will absolutely go in a different direction, for better or for worse.
ESPN is not locking its partners in. It's exactly the opposite.
Big 10 doesn't care about ESPN, they have their own network that makes the conference money like crazy
TCU and Miami
ABC/Disney/ESPN are far more capable at doing sports than any B1G partner. There’s also the value of the advertising spend vs. the converted value of the viewer to take into account.
Except they want SEC, and SEC want's them.
Let's face it, the west coast culture doesn't follow college football like the midwest and the south does with the exception of USC. I mean as noted by these number Colorado is breaking their way in.
Colorado needs to do good for ten years to be considered as candidate. They are way to poor to be in the big ten 😂😂
Here's the list from big 1o insiders, less on ratings more on markets and prestige , Duke
Miami ,Virginia, N.Carolina, Georgia Tech, Stanford ,California,Kansas,Tulane , and of course Notre Dame ,I can pretty much say colorado.does not qualify ,
All this is BS. Your rating depend on the channel you're on & who you play. If the B1G was only on ESPN+ their numbers would suck.
I hope the Big Ten doesn’t pick up Colorado because as soon as Deion is gone their rating will drop like a rock.
Nothing about Notre Dame. You guys are clueless.
They said them first but that's a dance that's been going on for 100 yrs, ND wants independence as far as their football scheduling and to negotiate their own tv contract while the charter members want them to conform into the league. But these guys are lost, big 10.wants nothing to do.with Colorado or Texas A&M or FSU they would snatch up Duke in heartbeat but that means You have to take UNC too ,I could see that, and they want a Florida market and Miami would be it probably with Kansas
Notre Dame is never ever going to join the big 10. You guys need to read up on your history between Notre Dame and the big 10 schools. We will stay independent and keep our nil money for ourselves.. go Irish☘️
We didn’t say they would.
And this was an exercise in looking at increasing the Big Ten Media Value.
FSU and Miami will end up in the SEC if they move.
Look up flagship University in Florida and you will not find FSU listed. That would be The University of Florida Gators.
Miami is actually the flagship university in FL way bigger brand.
@ Hahaha. Miami is a small private school. You obviously don’t know what being a flagship University means. Google is your friend and you can actually use it to learn what things mean when you don’t understand. Miami couldn’t be a flagship even if it was the only University in Florida. Thanks for the laugh.
Don’t sleep on Arizona Stats as a candidate either.