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It's true; given the perception that computer art is faster though (I don't know if it's true), it's understandable why they keep going back to that well. Plus you can trace your backgrounds. God knows I'd do that if I could.
I gota Agree with there!..idk if it's that I've gotten older.. but to me the excitement & variety exciting art isn't there for me as I had when I was a kid collecting comics!..though there are sum very talented artists out there No doubt!..(it just the excitement & story telling level isn't there it's seems anymore)..I could be wrong but alot if the big name comics that were Booming just ain't that anymore!..So yeah a sad but true statement in my opinion!
I love those yellow and blue training uniforms. They don't translate well into modern Marvel's art style. I remember desperately sneak-reading this comic in my older brothers' shared bedroom and trying to put it back exactly as I found it. Later, I thought he'd noticed that I'd touched it, but he was actually just offering to let me read it. When I tried to get my now tweenage nephew into comics some years back, he really liked the comics from the 80s/ 90s because they looked like cartoons, but the modern Marvel art style turned him off and he dropped American comics and dove into manga and anime. Broke my heart a bit. Looking at all those comics that were out at the same time as this issue, it really was a golden age. What was happening in the stories of the books themselves, the games advertised in the issues, the TV and movies happening at the time, the music happening at the time; all spectacularly awesome.
COOL VID! I'm only 2 minutes in & Wow that 90's spinner rack comics u pulled out brings back Alot found memories as kid when i was collecting comics!..& The Spidey issue with Erik Larson..Man i read & looked at that issue so many times that it was literally hang'n by a thread! Lol..& the image u truned to where Spidey is swinging across the page i copied& drew that exact image!..80's & 90's was def the Golden era comics! In my opinion! Great work here man keep it up!!👍🏼💥💯💯
Thanks a lot, man! I still get blown away by how good that first month was; and I think I might have copied that Spidey pose myself actually, in my opinion no one does a better Spidey pose than Erik Larsen.
This was my first X Men issue as well. Had no idea what was going on, which might have been part of the appeal. Also had most of those other comics you flipped through. Pretty mindblowing for a 10 year old.
Agreed, absolutely. And it’s the first of his I ever bought, so everything since has been a bit of a letdown. Which isn't Jim's fault, but it is how it is.
Same as the interior- Probably Jim's best. Which is good, except that he kept drawing on and off for the next 30 years and never surpassed what he produced as a 27 year old. I'd say that probably sucks, but I don't exactly think he cries himself to sleep at night.@@erdio21
He seems like he'd be a cool guy, yeah. And he was absolutely my favourite when Image started up- to the point where if they started Image without him, I don't know how much I bother with Image books at the time.
I met him at a con when I used to live in Philly,this was during the early 90s also. Got to chat with Rob Liefeld,he was very nice and friendly. Rob was very charming,funny and knew how to talk to fans/people.Lee was COOL also. And he had a good sense of humor,had comic fans laughing often.
That fold-out cover is-AWESOME !!! I wonder how long it took Lee to draw it. Don't see this kind of detailed art in too many of modern comics,the colorists cover a multitude of sins these days,plus in some books backgrounds are optional. LOL. I wonder how Lee kept the X-books on schedule with all this detailed artwork,plus a fold-out cover too. No wonder Jim Lee was a fan favorite on his X-title.
@@teambloodforce They did very-GOOD-work,I always felt Portacio was an under-rated artist for Image,he's a realy-STRONG-artist.I also recall he left Image for a while because his sister became ill ( I don't remember if she died or not,hope not )The 90s produced both Image and Milestone Comics,both companies made comic's history.
You might be right, I have an extremely vague memory of seeing them on the rack, but I couldn't place the time of year. It was an opportune time to get into comics, either way.
Yeah, there is a little while where Whilce is inking his stuff (and vice versa), but around this time it's all Scott Williams; it seems like something just clicked after or during X-Tinction Agenda. I do know that Homage studios is up and running around this time so it's possible Scott & Whilce are helping him with a couple of things - there isn't a lot in these books that looks like either of those guys, though.
Oh! I had that What if. as most of my comics it' s now lost! anyway the X factor there shows the shot I recalled Whilce did of Apocalypse. he is very good at moving that camera. I really feel that run of X men was so great because more than 1 people was involved in the layouts. it becomes evident once you compare earlier and recent works of Lee. I also found more of Silvestri's X men comics and i keep seeing stuff that Jim Lee used later on. I found issue 218 and the cover is by Arthur Adams witth interiors by Mark S. and Rogue sports a costume that is pretty much what would later become the yellow green outfit. she has the jacket, who came up witht that who knows but it was there already!
By the way i also found an issue by Byrne and is the Phoenix Trial. there is what would later become the iconic Xtinction Agenda panel where the X-Men are on trial.
Yeah, I'm also coming to realize a lot of Lee's reputation comes from other people, it's a bit startling when you look at it. He still does great finishes, but left to his own devices his panel layouts tend to be conservative and formulaic. It's strange to get here after holding him in the highest regard up to this point (for an Image artist).
@@teambloodforce Well what can I say these issues you value so much are the same for me. I wouldn´t have gotten into comics if not for them. and i wouldn´t mind so much that he used previous arists as reference more heavily than many people noticed back then if i wouldn´t have been dissapointed by Lee himself. I recall watching him on a video drawing Rogue a couple of years ago as saying he barely remebered the X-Men. geez what attitude, if he hadn´t had the same attitude when i asked him to sign my Transformers issues i would have ignored it, but he does seem to have a rotten attitude. polar opposite to my interactions with Todd, Rob, Jim, etc. So i see this issues as like a movie, where there is a lot of talent behind them and more than 1 actor making the lifting.
By the way my copy of this issue is falling a part, it was traced over so many times by my classmates and read and read again by me, that i was surprised it survived. all my Silver Surfer aroun 30 issues are officially MIA as well as my Spider Man issues.
I love Jim Lee's artwork. However, I feel that some of his artwork was almost too detailed at times. I think it is okay to leave some "dead" space to help focus your attention to what matters. When there is too much jammed into a frame it can make it more difficult to focus on what matters in the story. That being said, I do still love the detailed artwork of guys like Jim Lee and George Perez.
It's true, there are times when you pour too much linework on the page and it's like the reader just interprets it as this grey mass. Michael Golden has that problem, Art Adams, Todd, any of those guys who took too long to finish an issue. Of course they're all considered greats now, too.
Hmm, I don't know. His marvel work is just so boring and unimaginative. Just joking! This stuff for the most part looks pretty awesome. I know I have Uncanny X-Men 258. Not sure if I have any other of his X-men stuff, but I might compare that issue to some of his Image stuff and see how his work changed.
Oh man, for a second there I was like "Oh shit, they gonna hunt Chris down for that one. Read the room, man!". Yeah, I definitely recommend you pick up anything from 268 to 278, it's maybe as good as the X-Men ever looked.
This is some amazing art. Hard to believe how low that bar has fallen in the past 3 decades for "professional" artwork.
It's true; given the perception that computer art is faster though (I don't know if it's true), it's understandable why they keep going back to that well. Plus you can trace your backgrounds. God knows I'd do that if I could.
I gota Agree with there!..idk if it's that I've gotten older.. but to me the excitement & variety exciting art isn't there for me as I had when I was a kid collecting comics!..though there are sum very talented artists out there No doubt!..(it just the excitement & story telling level isn't there it's seems anymore)..I could be wrong but alot if the big name comics that were Booming just ain't that anymore!..So yeah a sad but true statement in my opinion!
I love those yellow and blue training uniforms. They don't translate well into modern Marvel's art style.
I remember desperately sneak-reading this comic in my older brothers' shared bedroom and trying to put it back exactly as I found it. Later, I thought he'd noticed that I'd touched it, but he was actually just offering to let me read it.
When I tried to get my now tweenage nephew into comics some years back, he really liked the comics from the 80s/ 90s because they looked like cartoons, but the modern Marvel art style turned him off and he dropped American comics and dove into manga and anime. Broke my heart a bit.
Looking at all those comics that were out at the same time as this issue, it really was a golden age. What was happening in the stories of the books themselves, the games advertised in the issues, the TV and movies happening at the time, the music happening at the time; all spectacularly awesome.
Love those costumes!!! Feels so innovative on Gambit for instance...
It is fun seeing them all in the uniforms, it's a bit of a shame we didn't see it more often.
COOL VID! I'm only 2 minutes in & Wow that 90's spinner rack comics u pulled out brings back Alot found memories as kid when i was collecting comics!..& The Spidey issue with Erik Larson..Man i read & looked at that issue so many times that it was literally hang'n by a thread! Lol..& the image u truned to where Spidey is swinging across the page i copied& drew that exact image!..80's & 90's was def the Golden era comics! In my opinion! Great work here man keep it up!!👍🏼💥💯💯
Thanks a lot, man! I still get blown away by how good that first month was; and I think I might have copied that Spidey pose myself actually, in my opinion no one does a better Spidey pose than Erik Larsen.
This was my first X Men issue as well. Had no idea what was going on, which might have been part of the appeal. Also had most of those other comics you flipped through. Pretty mindblowing for a 10 year old.
And I'm sure there were times when there were better lineups, just... holy shit, what a first month, right?
This is the single best issue Jim ever drew.
Agreed, absolutely. And it’s the first of his I ever bought, so everything since has been a bit of a letdown. Which isn't Jim's fault, but it is how it is.
100 percent. He’s right- this is an amazing cover.
Same as the interior- Probably Jim's best. Which is good, except that he kept drawing on and off for the next 30 years and never surpassed what he produced as a 27 year old. I'd say that probably sucks, but I don't exactly think he cries himself to sleep at night.@@erdio21
Jim Lee is one of my Art Heroes... great guy too. .. I met him at a comic con in the early 90s and he was the coolest.
He seems like he'd be a cool guy, yeah. And he was absolutely my favourite when Image started up- to the point where if they started Image without him, I don't know how much I bother with Image books at the time.
I met him at a con when I used to live in Philly,this was during the early 90s also. Got to chat with Rob Liefeld,he was very nice and friendly. Rob was very charming,funny and knew how to talk to fans/people.Lee was COOL also. And he had a good sense of humor,had comic fans laughing often.
They was really marketing and advertising Double Dragon 3 lol
Yeah, thinking about it there's been a whooole lot of video game ads in these old 90s comics. Can't say they didn't know their audience, at least.
That fold-out cover is-AWESOME !!! I wonder how long it took Lee to draw it. Don't see this kind of detailed art in too many of modern comics,the colorists cover a multitude of sins these days,plus in some books backgrounds are optional. LOL. I wonder how Lee kept the X-books on schedule with all this detailed artwork,plus a fold-out cover too. No wonder Jim Lee was a fan favorite on his X-title.
The reason seems to be Homage studios, which was Jim, Whilce Portacio & Scott Williams; the three of them made some excellent books very quickly.
@@teambloodforce They did very-GOOD-work,I always felt Portacio was an under-rated artist for Image,he's a realy-STRONG-artist.I also recall he left Image for a while because his sister became ill ( I don't remember if she died or not,hope not )The 90s produced both Image and Milestone Comics,both companies made comic's history.
Some of my favorite artists. Great issues
It was the best of times, definitely. Unless you like writing better than art, in which case better luck next decade.
They wouldn’t have been on the racks in April. They came out earlier if I recall correctly
You might be right, I have an extremely vague memory of seeing them on the rack, but I couldn't place the time of year. It was an opportune time to get into comics, either way.
Yeah, Jim Lee really leveled up.
I thought it may have been the inker, but he had Scott Williams for all those issues.
Yeah, there is a little while where Whilce is inking his stuff (and vice versa), but around this time it's all Scott Williams; it seems like something just clicked after or during X-Tinction Agenda. I do know that Homage studios is up and running around this time so it's possible Scott & Whilce are helping him with a couple of things - there isn't a lot in these books that looks like either of those guys, though.
Oh! I had that What if. as most of my comics it' s now lost! anyway the X factor there shows the shot I recalled Whilce did of Apocalypse. he is very good at moving that camera. I really feel that run of X men was so great because more than 1 people was involved in the layouts. it becomes evident once you compare earlier and recent works of Lee. I also found more of Silvestri's X men comics and i keep seeing stuff that Jim Lee used later on. I found issue 218 and the cover is by Arthur Adams witth interiors by Mark S. and Rogue sports a costume that is pretty much what would later become the yellow green outfit. she has the jacket, who came up witht that who knows but it was there already!
By the way i also found an issue by Byrne and is the Phoenix Trial. there is what would later become the iconic Xtinction Agenda panel where the X-Men are on trial.
Yeah, I'm also coming to realize a lot of Lee's reputation comes from other people, it's a bit startling when you look at it. He still does great finishes, but left to his own devices his panel layouts tend to be conservative and formulaic. It's strange to get here after holding him in the highest regard up to this point (for an Image artist).
@@teambloodforce Well what can I say these issues you value so much are the same for me. I wouldn´t have gotten into comics if not for them. and i wouldn´t mind so much that he used previous arists as reference more heavily than many people noticed back then if i wouldn´t have been dissapointed by Lee himself. I recall watching him on a video drawing Rogue a couple of years ago as saying he barely remebered the X-Men. geez what attitude, if he hadn´t had the same attitude when i asked him to sign my Transformers issues i would have ignored it, but he does seem to have a rotten attitude. polar opposite to my interactions with Todd, Rob, Jim, etc. So i see this issues as like a movie, where there is a lot of talent behind them and more than 1 actor making the lifting.
By the way my copy of this issue is falling a part, it was traced over so many times by my classmates and read and read again by me, that i was surprised it survived. all my Silver Surfer aroun 30 issues are officially MIA as well as my Spider Man issues.
I love Jim Lee's artwork. However, I feel that some of his artwork was almost too detailed at times. I think it is okay to leave some "dead" space to help focus your attention to what matters. When there is too much jammed into a frame it can make it more difficult to focus on what matters in the story. That being said, I do still love the detailed artwork of guys like Jim Lee and George Perez.
It's true, there are times when you pour too much linework on the page and it's like the reader just interprets it as this grey mass. Michael Golden has that problem, Art Adams, Todd, any of those guys who took too long to finish an issue. Of course they're all considered greats now, too.
Hmm, I don't know. His marvel work is just so boring and unimaginative. Just joking! This stuff for the most part looks pretty awesome. I know I have Uncanny X-Men 258. Not sure if I have any other of his X-men stuff, but I might compare that issue to some of his Image stuff and see how his work changed.
Oh man, for a second there I was like "Oh shit, they gonna hunt Chris down for that one. Read the room, man!". Yeah, I definitely recommend you pick up anything from 268 to 278, it's maybe as good as the X-Men ever looked.