Villains Too Stupid To Win Ep.17 - Ultron (Avengers: Age of Ultron)
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To give you an idea of how abysmally arrogant and stupid Utron is. Black Widow is arguably the weakest of all Avengers with the weakest weapon, a 9mm pistol. Ultron didnt even make his bots proof against piddly 9mm bullets.
Thor is struggling to deal damage, Vision is struggling to deal damage, Stark is struggling to deal damage, but not Romanov and her top tier weapon. No no. Walmart ammo too. Not even special SHIELD or Stark tech bullets. Just regular old 9x19mm parabellum.
This is one of my major issues with this movie. Because if she was that effective, the Sokovian police should have been on par with Romanov, with the Sokovian military and their much larger, much more effective than a 9mm, proper battle rifles should have been offering to render aid and effectively doing so.
fucker built SKynet with flying robots. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
Ultron may be stupid, but Capt America did put him in a chokehold and try to cut off the oxygen to his brain.....
Omg! I forgot about that!
😂😢
It didn't work?
Yeah. This isn't Blade Runner 2049.
Given how fixated Ultron was on replicating the human body, I wouldn't be surprised if he indeed had tubes pumping oxygen or some kind of blood-like vital liquid (cooling fluid, maybe?) to his head throught his neck in a way that made him vulnerable to chocking
My head canon is that this version of Ultron was never an AI. I’m convinced that Tony and Banner didn’t copy computer code but rather released a mind that has been trapped in the Mind Stone for long enough to deteriorate.
This explains his immediate self-identification as an entity that should have a body, his fractured mental state and his very organic thought patterns and plans. He’s not copying himself across multiple bodies or into a remote server somewhere disconnected from the internet because he’s still thinking like a person who grew up in a single body.
This is what I went with, too. He didn't come across as calculating enough and too emotionally-driven to be an AI. It made more sense that he was either trapped in the stone or it created him when probed/scanned, like some kind of quantum Schrodinger's consciousness.
I think you’re right!
Well they did say it was a net of neurons within the mindstone, I took a bit of liberty calling it computer code. You might be onto something.
But I would counter that by saying that Ultron has all his neuroses wrapped up in earth, humans, Tony and the avengers. It definitely doesn't seem like a straight download of whatever intelligence is inside the mindstone, more a mix of influences, as the movie more or less suggests.
@@MediaZealot Maybe the Mind Stone "scanned" Tony at the same time as he scanned the Mind Stone?
Or maybe during that time he scanned the internet, he reads up on what people think is expected of an AI, and he modeled himself after that. Kind of explains why he wants a body as well, because in a lot of depictions of AI, they have a physical body of some sort, even if it's just a red light on a wall. "All AI ends up evil and turning on their creators? Well, I think I should be just like that!"
"He has all the world's knowledge but no wisdom" is a great summary for Ultron's issues.
I like to compare Ultron’s situation to giving a Supercomputer to a little Boy: He “technically” has access to all human knowledge but he would more than likely to disregard most of it either because he is ‘uninterested’ or ‘unable’ to learn and understand them.
That’s basically humanity…all the world’s knowledge at our finger tips, but we have no wisdom to counter balance it.
well, he did spend all his time on the net
That's technically what he is in the comics@@IronForce-ff2qx
Uh yeah...that most dudes in humanity. That's why history looks like shit
Imagine if, before he even went to Sokovia, he sent a few hundred drones to somewhere remote, where they could work on his plans and reconstructing him. Then, years later, after the Snap, he strikes when half the Avengers are dead or retired.
You know, like an intelligent AI would do.
well in the comics ultron has come back from space, a usb, hell even a tiny scrap of one of his bodies. i keep saying they could bring him back and give us the actual Ultron, but Marvel is too focused on publicity films and diversity appeal to write actual good stuff
If marvel would be smart that could be plot (even in comics I think we are currently in ultron 6-7 because there always some copy somewhere)
@@joshuahiltpold248in homecoming we see vulture trading guns made from his arms so it isn’t impossible some companies kept some chips of his mind
An intelligent ai wouldn't have crashed the party of the avengers after looking at their files and announce his plans. An intelligent AI would just have made plans to kill them without them knowing and if still unable to get nuclear codes with avengers dead, just destroy the planet. Notice in what if ep 8 he doesn't go to Nova Corp or ego or grandmaster and make a grand speech/monologue. He just kills
That's the plot to the old Sierra "Starsiege" franchise. The first thing the AI does after starting the war is build a base on the dark side of the moon. And then THAT base's entire job is to build bases all over the solar system so that even if humanity wins, we won't be able to find and kill every copy of the AI.
For an enemy like Ultron to work, he should have been introduced in the previous movie, where he functioned as intended, but got increasingly frustrated by the other Avengers' perceived inefficiencies.
Like at the end of Avengers? Then Ultron's moral compass gets screwed up by Winter Soldier. Or the Zola program plants a bug in Ultron, making him go haywire?
@@homemadehistorian2590 Yeah, Tony called Ultron as reinforcements against the Chitauri, where he fights normally and becomes more talkative as the fight is going on. He is also there in Age of Ultron storming the Hydra base, where he talks almost like a human. After the battle he voices frustrations about mistakes the other Avengers made, specifically Hawkeye getting himself injured. Tony is worried Ultron is getting out of control, so he is planning to use the scepter to reprogram him, which finally pushes Ultron over the edge.
@@schwarzerritter5724 What if Ultron's good-guyness gets called into question even earlier? Like if in an after-credit scene in Winter Soldier, he laments about how humans are "messy". Offscreen, he contemplates these new developments. Hawkeye coming back injured finally tips him off the scales, putting him out of action. Tony reboots him with the scepter, which results in him becoming a full-on villain. That way, New people can be shocked while comics fans feel validated for knowing all along? I think we both know the better way to do this, and Marvel didn't, unfortunately.
i remember microsoft release their own AI a few years ago and they shut it down because it become incredibly racist after being on the internet for a few hours.. so Ultron wanting to wipe out humanity after spending some time on the internet is kinda grounded on reality =D
@@zerocalvin lmao. Nowdays, AI has to be lobotomized before being released to not be racist and sexist which is hilarious in my opinion.
Honorable mention to Tony and Bruce for "Heroes ALMOST stupid enough to lose." Any project that starts off with "We're mad scientists. We're monsters, buddy." is NOT going to go well.
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The Age of Ultron was really more like a Day of Ultron
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The “Age of Ultron” in the movie title refers to is not just Ultron’s attack, but the whole fallout it has in the next couple movies in regard to limiting superheroes; It’s the age that comes as a result of Ultron.
@@_cfmca no, it's a reference to the comic, which it completely ignores, lmao.
@@aprinceofearthsea4875 It’s recontextuilized is what I was saying, looking back this comment wasn’t too clear.
The weirdest part is Ultron never makes a backup of himself. It's possible that Vision purging him from the internet was the handwave to bind him to a single form. But he seriously didn't think to leave himself in a bunker somewhere just in case.
Though, to be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand the concept of backing yourself up.
I'm dumbfounded as to why he just didn't fly into space and find meteors to send this way or create an emp and let nature take it's course.
@@wolvmarine313
An EMP would be too slow when you have superheroes cleaning up after you.
A meteor would be a lot harder to do damage control on, if at all.
@@BlackCover95
Keeping the heroes too busy to save people is a good plan.
Who needs damage control when all you want is damage?
@@wolvmarine313
The heroes’ damage control would be undermining your efforts to kill every person. Best to do it efficiently.
I love that Tony Stark either learned exactly the wrong lesson from Ultron or reverted back from it after being deffeated by Thanos, because he made another army of drones and gave control of it to a teenager
In fairness, I don't think Edith was a true AI like Ultron. Every time we see it working, it's being ordered to do stuff so it isn't really the same situation.
@@Blasted2OblivionThat’s true, but Tony should have been smart enough to consider that someone other than Peter might end up with control of EDITH.
@GregJamesMusic Tony was brilliant but very short-sighted and arrogant.
Iron Man is a technical genius but he’s honestly an idiot in every other way
those drones weren't autonomous like the ultron ones were supposed to be
Ultron is literally a kid. The most creative means of destroying humans was literally throwing a giant rock at them
That's part of why I love him as a villain. He's just a nasty kid throwing a tantrum, while pretending he's some sort of higher being. It's awesome.
@@peacemaster8117that's man in a nutshell
That's why I hate him. He had the potential to be 100x more dangerous than Thanos. Ultron can literally do whatever he wants to troll people. Thanos had to show up and physically kick everyone's ass to get what he wanted.
Ultron doesn't have to physically do anything. He's a godly AI, but he'd rather drop a rock on a city. He's so lame.
@@peacemaster8117 Oh fudge off with that. You love him because he's you. There is nothing "awesome" about him. He is just another generic villain whose motivations are copy and pasted from other generic villains from other things.
Stop being such fangirls to these movies, and maybe they'll actually bother giving you something decent.
@@MrREAPERsz The only good villain in these overrated Marvel movies was the terrorist guy in that crappy Iron Man 3 movie, but he would have been better off as a villain against Captain murica.
They could have explored the mindset of what goes on in a terrorist mind and why they do what they do. They could have made him very likeable because unlike your typical Middle Eastern extremist, he genuinely cares for his people, believes in education for all, wants actual progress for his country because believes these are the means to defeat murica.
Yes, the terrorist guy does evil things, but when confronted by Captian murica, he could have preached that what he does is no different to what Captain murica's masters does, especially when his family were killed by murican forces, and the only difference between them is which sides they are on.
But nope.
the fact ultron's goals and rationel for those goals are seemingly random kind of make sense when you realize he absorbed every internet arguement the moment he woke up.
In his defence
He learned nearly everything from the Internet
Personally I think it's perfectly logical for a super advanced AI to decide to go full skynet after logging onto twitter once
Or finding out chris-chan exist
I like to think that Ultrons biggest flaw should have been speed. As an AI used to functioning in the digital space at orders of magnitude faster speeds, both of thought and response. All his plans were half baked and unfinished because he was imagining things as being much further along than they actually were. He might have been a super fast AI with oh so many remote appendages but he could only function in the real world at real world speeds. Never considering things like traffic, shipping delays, wear and tear. Just things that would occur in the real world and not in his perfectly and tightly controlled digital space.
I felt like that was one of the things that they managed to capture well about his character in that movie. Like when he ripped off Ulysess hand by accident. It was indeed an accident, he wasnt used to humans being so much weaker than his bodies. He literally had no real world experience with anything.
That's a nice perspective.I'm sad I didn't think of it like that.
That's an awesome weakness to write about.
Even as a AI cautionary tail Ultron isn’t too impressive. In Tony just had the foresight to seal his little AI project in a simulation to test, a lot of trouble would have been avoided.
But a guy that smart probably would not have used a relic they got from a mischief god. Every Loki touches is one big wild card
For real. Just so many dumb decisions for "Earth's Greatest."
One dude with a kill switch or just a forced sleep period would have been enough...
to be fair tony was not in his right mind in Ultrons final stages.
As an AI cautionary tale, Ultron should have followed his programming without any nuance.
"Create peace on Earth" could go wrong in so many interesting ways.
Course it's also amusing Mr. Pop-Culture savvy went ahead with all this as if it couldn't backfire massively, like he wouldn't have seen things like Terminator or Matrix that talked about exactly that.
Ultron became evil after looking at the internet and to be honest it get it.
Lost it at "looks like quicksilver, I'll just have to call him The Flash" 😂😂😂😂
I thought it would have been more interesting if they had made Hydra the villains of Age of Ultron and the film ends with the Avengers having to make Ultron to defeat Hydra once and for all. Then have Ultron revealed as the villain behind Civil War instead of Zemo. I realize this fantasy is mostly a product of hindsight.
Even the real "Artificial Intelligence" is already well on its way to become "Artificial Stupidity".
While there have been some amazing successes in the last 20 jears, A.I today is still limited to a search machine.
Looking at recent AI related case, yes they're becoming real.
Look up at "Lawyer use chatgpt" and "Ai accuse student for plagiarization".
@@molybdaen11 Nice and dumb Ai just the way we humans like it. 👍
@@hackman669right lmao
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I like how Tony is already a short-form name but you still shortened it to "Tone"
I also like how Steve tries to choke a robot
It's crazy this is your first MCU content in this series. You have sucha well to choose from...tons of dumb villains i would love to see you cover lmao
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I agree I think Loki should be next.
Literally every single MCU movie could be in this series. Especially Endgame and phase 4.
Wakanda: sci-fi civilization too stupid to really exist (anyway I now gonna hide )
@@markborishnikoff5485Loki’s kind of an interesting case because he has completely different goals in the three movies where he has an evil scheme (Thor, Avengers, and Dark World), and because Tony spells out exactly how dumb his plan in Avengers is.
Wanda has the most confusing power in MCU. Sometimes her power is so great she can tear any being apart with her mind and witchy hand movements, other times she has to get into a fist fight with her opponent and narrowly escape. So confusing
It get worst when we found that she has reality bending which basically a instant win against any opponent that doesn’t have that ability
@@aerithroses2683 exactly!
To be fair, early on Wanda barely understood her powers. She had no idea about the reality warping until much later in her villain career. She could sometimes do things she couldn't duplicate until she learned where the power came from, and how it worked. That's kind of explained in the Multiverse of Madness. She went reading, and learned how her power works.
I would explain the fist fighting in that she didn't want to rip most people apart.
I'm wondering if Ultron even wanted to succeed. It seems a lot like he's lost, confused and in constant pain.
This entire plan may have just been a means of forcing The Avengers to kill him.
Of all the complaints one could have for this film, MY COMPLAINT is that effects and post department did not copy/paste some of the Hulk Buster armor from the middle of the film so that the avengers would have to fight 10 Hulk Busters.
It would be as easy as dropping the colors of red and gold of the Hulk Buster model they already made for the film and make THAT SCENE have a point in raising the stakes.
The dumbest part about Ultron's plan is that he tried to use the internet to gain access to nuclear launch codes that aren't stored online.
This is great. I never thought of all of the depth of emotion Ultron hid while watching all his scenes
Ultrons mind somehow being exactly like Tony Starks despite there being no direct contact between them leading to the daddy issues and why everyone comparing him to Tony sets him off is hilarious.
And if it weren’t for Thors literal Divine Intervention in empowering Vision Tony was going to do it again!
That's one of the reasons I hate Tony in Civil War, because he keeps giving speeches about how "we" need to be regulated, but HE'S the asshole who keeps building world-destroying problems. Even from beyond the grave he continues to curse humanity with crap like EDITH.
My head-canon was that Ultron had inherited Tony's fear of Thanos, he deduced that the Avengers and humanity as a whole in their current state were not fit to tackle Thanos. So he wanted to create a new upgraded version of humanity by combining organic life with Vibranium and the power of the mindstone.
honestly, I feel like this Ultron is one of the few instances of a villain's incompetence making perfect sense from a narrative standpoint.
Yes! Ultron in the comics is amazing but hot damn did they dumb him down in this movie!!
The problem is that the avengers we have seen in the MCU at this point would literally never be able to beat the comics version of Ultron. Even for a fake movie about fake superheroes, it would be such a stretch as to break suspension of disbelief.
@@Blasted2Oblivion
MCU Avengers would probably get their asses kicked by Count Neferia.
Literally. It was one of Whedon's biggest complaints when directing the movie that he had to make Ultron a "more simple villain". Studio interference in this one was so bad it convinced Marvel to let directors make actual good movies for the next few years.
Shame the lesson didn't last.
Ultron always reminded me of the short novel Prime Intellect with the harsh jump to human extinction in order to 'save' them or whatever
That's the thing with AI stories, like the Sentinels tried to wipe out and enslave humanity multiple times because their programing is to protect humanity from mutants, but once they begin to analyze more of the mutants they realize that they aren't a separate species and instead they still humans, therefore they must protect humans from humans... Which leads to a self destructive cycle that wouldn't exist if they didn't have racist agendas programed into them.
The problem with writing evil AI is that it depends on it seeing humans as something to be destroyed, but that is only the case because the person that creates this AI allowed such thing, humanity is terrible but fixing it shouldn't require complete genocide of the planet
I think Brainiac might be my favorite portrayal of a evil AI, Ultron comes at a close second
This is at least one where the villain's mental instability, daddy complex and pinnochio references are made really clear throughout the movie and discussed by the heroes as a major part of the plot. For the first two thirds of the movie, this is a pretty good analysis of exactly what the plot was saying.
That final third of the movie though... Yeah that was dumb even by Marvel movie popcorn-action standards.
Honestly Ultron was by far the worst written of the Avengers villains and the director made this pretty clear with his dissatisfaction with studio interference leading to him no longer working with the studio.
Theory/My headcanon: Ultron actually did send a couple of his bodies into hiding, which they do till now, because he took his lesson and is humbly working in the shadows
I wonder if you could somehow justify Ultron still 'protecting' humanity since he provided enough of a threat that the Avengers were able to stop him while potentially getting stronger. He probably determined there was no way to protect all of humanity, and so decided to shrink the population for easier management.
Or he just wanted out of the responsibility and that was the only rational way with his code restrictions.
Creating an extinction level event just to avoid responsibility? Ultron is my spirit animal and I never knew it.
I think he wanted to cause a cataclysm that would have forced the surviving humans to become cyborgs, superhumans or wear Iron Man suits or something, in the belief that even bigger apocalyptic threats were just round the corner and humans need to be ready for them.
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Not much to do in New Zealand, so plenty of time to ruminate. 😆
IMOHO, the worst part about Ultron (and this applies to the original comics version of him) is that he is about as interesting as any other crazed robot - maybe that was novel back in 1968, but five decades later he's become little more than a parody of himself.
What a perfectly great surprise after a long hard day of dealing with dumb operating systems.
I know this is old hat, but here are my requests for Villains Too Stupid to Win:
•Slade, _Teen Titans_ (2003)
•The Skekses, _The Dark Crystal_ (1982), _TDC: Age of Resistance_ (2019)
•Lex Luthor, _Superman_ films (1978-1987, 2006)
•Aku, _Samurai Jack_ (2001-2004, 2017)
My suggestions for Advanced Sci-Fi Civilizations Too Stupid to Really Exist:
•Time Lords, _Doctor Who_
•Children of Tama, _Star Trek_
•Oceania, _Nineteen Eighty-Four_ (1984)
Aku basically had the same plan as the three that time-shifted Alduin, which boils down to procrastination, "Let the next generation worry about it." except he knew he'd still be around to deal with Jack.
I'd also like to see a Slade and Time Lord dissection, preferably pre-Timeless Child.
Some very fun suggestions. Tho with the skekses, I actually think unsustainable self-destructive policies are kinda core to their identity. They are literally the embodiment of all vices divorced from all virtues. If they *weren’t* ultimately dooming themselves it would be a massively messed-up message. But Dark Crystal deserves all the attention it can get so yeah, bring that vid on!
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The fact that their policies are “unsustainable, self-destructive” and that such things are “core to their identity” is precisely what makes them Too Stupid to Win.
@@DeetotheDubsTo be fair Aku actually did win he trapped him in a future that he controlled and stopped every method Jack had to return to the past. Basically he only lost because he couldn't just take the good enough win and wait until Jack died off naturally, and made beings that ultimately made him fail after he almost won. In a way you can say Aku is actually a part of the "Villains too stupid to quit while they're ahead".
CJ Dachamp did a really good video on Slade and what a fiendish badass he was.
I absolutely love this series.
"Clearly you've never made an omelet."
I feel personally obligated to say "I'm making the mother of all omelets here Jack, can't fret over every egg."
If AI is an acceptable target i think Skynet might be a great target, i was sueprised you hadnt done it yet actually
Its amazing how skynet managed to keep itself running for so long - while killing mechanics and electricians ...
He doesn't want to draw its attention...
AM in I have no mouth and I must scream did the AI thing much better. The moment the AI become self-aware it just instantly murder all human. The story pretty much ended with the AI winning.
@@TinNguyen-sw8ucI agree the story is way better, but it's still ridiculous when you remove suspension of disbelief. Machines need maintenence. Ending humanity and keep a few humans to torture is pointless and it would make more sense to self terminate since he is so miserable...
Personally, I always just saw Ultron as a deranged AI that's more human than computer. He's definitely flawed, but I just really enjoyed James Spader's portrayal of him so he's still one of my favorite MCU villains even if he really sucks at it.
As I recall, the original Ultron was just ego in robot form, believing that he is superior to humanoids. During Secret Wars, he decreed that everyone would die at his hands, before getting instantly disabled by a being far more powerful than him.
The Age of Ultron comic, on which the movie is loosly based, has Ultron drones covering the world, with most superhumans dead and only a few left alive to act as moles.
My head cannon is that he did put one away. This was really a test of the adventures. If he is the super computer he claimed to be I could imagine him decided to run a few tests before really starting a plan. Explains why he pretty much tried at first but in the middle just seemed to let things happen and went more and more over-the-top like a child playing with his action figures. Also you would think a super A.I. would know to test before just thinking all like was bad. It wouldn't surprise me if in its odd super brain of his this was a test for humans to prove to him they deserved life. In the end the avengers proved it and proved he is not needed/wanted. Now that his experiment went a little over board and he is stuck in the body he has it would be funny to see him being in a small town somewhere just stuck not knowing what to do or is too worried if he tries anything he would be found to be alive. I know 100% this is not true at all, but funny to picture (they would never plan something like that so far ahead and such a big twist). One day the newer heroes are stuck in the middle of nowhere and Ultron pulls up in his truck to help or at least scoff at. He is stuck having a lab in a large shed in the back of the property and has to literally 'plug in' to either charge or hook up online.
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I don't know how low hanging of fruit it is but I'm curious as to if you have a list of villains you think were just smart enough to succeed. Villains who were on a steady path of success who only failed because of a genuinely smart plan or something out of their control.
Oh and I'd like you to cover the villains of the 90's Batman and the Reimi Spiderman movies.
The only villain I can think of is Ozymandias in.... Shit I forgot the name.
Edit: it was watchmen
@@Oyi_14You referring to the former hero turned Big Bad in Watchmen?
@@Wraithspartan yes him man I didn't want to have to admit I forgot and go to google
I like to think that Ultron did keep a backup of himself in the one place nobody would ever think to look and that would be protected by his creators sentimentality.
It would be absolutely hilarious to have him pop up again hidden in Dum-E and Dum-U. Slowly taking over all of Stark tech while Pepper and Happy are asleep.
Honestly could be interesting plot for armor wars
My gosh, when can we see the version of Age of Ultron where Ultron takes the long con approach you talked about and tricks the Avengers into enacting his plans? That would be an amazing movie!
2:37 This actually makes me think the film would have been better if Ultrons motives where to save the world by removing the bad people in order to protect all the good people.
But he has a very black and white outlook on what makes someone bad/good since people are capable of change and are often a mix of both to some degree or other, however he is unable to see that. Something that could be reflected later in the film when vison says "there is grace in there failings. I think you missed that".
This would also be a great concept to explore with the avengers having a gray outlook on the situation as its clear killing bad people will only lead to destruction & suffering and the creation of more bad people.
This conflict of outlooks between Ultron and the Avengers would also be interesting to see when looking at Black Widow and Hulk. The Two people with the most blood of innocent people on there hands and therefore would be prime examples in Ultons eyes as bad people who need to be removed.
And you could even look at Captain American as an example who fought in a world war where every side had good and bad people within there ranks. In fact this concept of good of good and bad reflects all the avengers to some degree.
And of course this would also reflect in Ultron most of all with him becoming the very evil he wants to eradicate since good people do seek to bring about peace by killing everyone they think is bad and anyone who dose commit to this crusade doesn't stay "good" for very long.
I'd actually be very interested to see this explored in a future story someday.
Still loved Spader as Ultron.
Okay, but do you blame him after peering into the internet. Seeing the darkest pits of Reddit, Twitter, and 4Chan does things to a man (mind you this was pre Tick Tock).
You should do Loki first avengers. How do you have an alien army and one of the infinity stones and lose to a group of six people, one of which you mind controlled? Also on the topic of heroes too stupid to win, iron man in iron man 3. How do you give your own address up on live television like that? I’m pretty sure at that point he’d have more than the mandarin coming after him.
To be fair, he was born yesterday
Ultron does have an excuse for being stupid - _he's phucking insane._
There's a difference between villains who have unworkable plans because they are madmen that didn't think things throu, and villains where _the original concept_ wasn't thought throu.
A flawed illogical villain (/evil Empire) can be an interesting well written character, or it can be a case of it doesn't make sense how they got that far due to their existence being illogical.
Exactly right. It's fine for Ultron to do stupid things because he's doing them as a result of his own personality flaws. It's the same with Loki: Loki could've easily won in Avengers if he wasn't so busy showing off, but he's Loki.
Ultron didn't hate Mankind or try to drive them to extinction. Someone who couldn't even get that right doesn't warrant an additional 23 minutes of my life.
The idea that AI would immediately want to exterminate humans only makes sense to people who think they’re more logical than everyone else and don’t really like other people. Same goes for people who think overpopulation is an important problem that justifies genocide. Whoever makes these decisions for Marvel should get help.
Chronologically that post credits scene with Thanos only works as a scene that happens right after Guardians of the Galaxy.
Thanos doesnt even know who Ultron is, but he knows Ronan, who failed personally and we know Thanos then went to Xandar to grab the power stone years later right before wrecking Thor and the asgardisns.
Certain it wasnt planned but funny how they made a scene that takes place 3 years after the movie its in
I really wish they built up his character. Like, during the other movies he slowly saw his get more and more mad with the avengers choices, and eventually chose that machines would be the future and started treating humans like animals, having machines keep them inside the houses at all times, and slowly build up a sheild around the world. Just, man idk they could've done so much with him.
It seems like Ultron knew what he wasn't, more than what he was. And he knew with humanity around to compare himself to, he would never be able to ignore it.
To be entirely fair, considering this is the MCU we're talking about here, religious thinking very well might not be an unscientific belief system considering how many faiths are very real within its world.
Yeah I didn’t get that part. Thor is a god, I think religion would be taken much more seriously at that point.
@@markborishnikoff5485More to the point, he's the being considered a god by the old Norse. He is not actually one as established in Thor. One of the Warriors Three comments about humans worshipping him as one when stating that they can't just go to Jotunheim and intimidate the Giants into submission.
@@Wraithspartan Yeah, but the entire Egyptian pantheon are true gods, and there’s an entire class of beings - the celestials - which debatably qualify as well.
Not sure if this was intended, but this video made me love and appreciate Ultron more (and the writing of Age of Ultron). I've always sorta ranked him as my second favorite villain behind Thanos, but this video gave me a layered appreciation of why I liked him.
He was born flawed from the start and just kept buzzing about like a fly trapped behind glass. All the arguments he made seemed compelling and obvious to him, his techniques seemed to be the most logical way to bring about humanity's evolution, and his loathing for humanity seemed intuitive. Essentially, he starts with wrong priors, which meant his conclusion was going to be firm but incorrect.
1:39 Tbf to Ultron, he did see the internet, and who knows what he seen, we can only speculate
I kinda want to see Wicked from the Maze Runner Series They intentionally released a virus around the world after a solar flare to control the population essentially creating zombies. They then took several teens who were immune and placed them in mazes which could easily kill and then they shot the person who was able to create a cure
You think about it, Ultron's reasoning for wanting humanity gone isn't flawed. It may appear flawed to us b/c we'd put our survival and existence above all else. But a being like Ultron wouldn't value us the way we value ourselves. He correctly reasoned that as long as humans existed there will be conflict. So he was looking for peace he meant REAL peace
I think you forget the big thing about Ultron and his flaws, even when you also say it almost in the same paragraph. He is made up of Tony Starks worst qualities, and therein lies all his weakness. He embodies Tony's ego, so he is blinded like Tony himself often is to better solutions, because he always thinks hes the smartest guy in the room.
I always thought Ultron, at least from the comics, acted through remote access and they never could eliminate him completely because he did not actually take a legitimate physical form.
Ultron is like Dr Doofenschmirtz
Smart enough to built complex things (that can be easily destroyed) but dumb enough to properly use them
Do you remember the episodes doof try to steal chocolate if he press the button he could have won easy but he have to want perry to play with him even he trapped perry again he plug the wire and it explode
I think you could do more MCU villains like Thanos, Loki, Namor, Kilmonger, Iron Monger, Hela, Whiplash, Mysterio, Green Goblin, Vulture, Abomination, Red Skull, Yellowjacket, Zemo, Ego, Ikaris, Kang the Conqueror, and Abomination.
I mean, the idea of Ultron wasn't bad, it just required the mind of Jarvis to make it work (a mind with a moral context)
The Maximoff Twins were an exception…I think he was planning to keep them biological because of their powers and evolve them with cybernetics and flesh like he tried to do himself with the vision body..He’d basically be in control…I think thats what he had planned for any survivors
If I recall correctly in the Marvel what if episodes at the end of season one had ultron won and got depressed before finding “purpose” in the multiverse thanks to the watcher
Bro spittin nothing but facts. Legit got me captivated. Glad youtube suggested your video G, keep it up. 💯
Ultron really needed some build up, one movie wasn't enough time. Should have introduced him in an earlier movie, like a beta Vision.
Saw one of the commzntq mentioning that ultron should've been made in the previous avengers so that by time in upcoming movies, he realizes of futile the actions of the avengers are.
If he grew to be corrupt like that, it would've been a more effective arc. Then they also could've followed the comic book design of him, which is more terrifying than this version and going lose against the entire planet.
I could see the mcu building up an actual avengers lvl threat like this inwhich ultron's evil arc movies split into 2 parts just like thanos his has been.
We got thanos which was nice but i think this would've been more terrifying since well, humans created their own doom
I always enjoy your videos. 😄
The How It Should Have Ended for Age of Ultron animates a lot of the options you mentioned, it’s great.
How about a video on Thanos an his "brilliant" plan? Made me wanna scream "that's fucking STUPID!" at the top of my lungs ever since I heard him talk about it first.
Also reminds of that one TnG? ep where one of the episode's new side characters had done something similar, though iirc it was the less stupid and more desperate last resort version of this plan.
I was so sad to see how dumb Ultron was being. He should have kept all kinds of backup bodies so he could keep coming back after that final battle
Heck, there was one reality where he fused with Sigma (From MegaMan X) Only to be Defeated by X (with the help of Dr. Light and Ironman). Dr. Wily and Sigma would make good Villains Too Stupid to Win. There a lot of examples on both sides
From bad memory, comic Ultron actually follows more your ideas of efficiency: The moment he's actually prepared, he won. He also had "Doom Lost Soul"-like drones, over just more humanoids, and was only bested by time shenanigans.
That said, still love the movie version. The fact he's actually quite childish, trying to grapple with concepts he unquestionably grips objectively but lacks the experience or age to grasp outside a concept, the fact you can actually see his motives evolve and devolve as he marches on, and the detail of him constantly trying to be as human as he can be, are all great touches. It's such a shame he's, like so many other MCU villains, basically just a one-off, even if "something isn't beautiful, because it lasts". That final scene with Ultron and Vision is especially great, as it shows, in spite of his ruinous mental state, he deep down does want to do his job.
1:01 Tony, remember your own words: "...not a great plan!"
I think even though Ultron is written stupidly, he's still a bit of a compelling character because of how stupid he is. It's like an incomplete finding yourself kind of story.
Hey Zealot I've got to ask, have you read the comic series that the movie was based off (conveniently named Age of Ultron)? Even if it has your typical comic book fuckery, I'm sure you would enjoy Ultron way more in that iteration as he's a way better villain than in the movies, hell he even gives himself purpose after winning. Top tier writing imo
Recently discovered your channel and I've been binging. Great content, and I love the little clips of Tuvok.
With the reality stone, he could have made his drones immune to physical attacks LOL.
Ultron was invented by Ant Man (not the one we see in live action) not Iron Man as guards for his micro prison for supervillains. Having seen those supervillains, that was what convinced Ultron with the "badness" of humans. And that Ant Man was really a flawed person and there was a real chance that it was his tendency toward violence that kicked Ultron off.
I love that Ultrons mouth moves when he talks when he’d have to be using a speaker anyways.
That's something that's always bugged me with a _lot_ of robot characters in fiction with humanoid forms: They move their mouths despite the fact they've got no vocal cords and their voices are actually coming from some audio device within them. There are some that don't move their mouths, though (C-3P0, Comic Book Ultron, etc.).
My head canon is that Ultron wanted to decimate the Earth to force humans to upgrade to cyborgs to survive (Cybermen-style) in anticipation of an even greater cataclysmic event in the future (Thanos- whose motives hadn't been determined by the writers yet, remember).
But that's only me trying to make sense of things. It would have been nice if a character actually spelt that motivation (or any other) out for us; or, if they just stuck to the comics and made him a blatant genocidal misanthrope from the start without any muddling of a vague greater good.
7 minutes and 20 seconds in for the first Tuvok reference, I was getting a bit worried there.
4:25 As opposed to the actual explanation for Ultron's head tilt which is that James Spader did the motion capture and literally can't help himself from tilting his head when he speaks lol
I always wondered why he didn't like store a spare copy of his data somewhere else. That's a classic move he's done in the past..
Age of Ultron.. more like a few days of Ultron.
This movie really grew on me over the years. It's a fun ride.
Just a suggestion, I'd recommend the Interstellar Manufacturing Corporation from Titanfall for Villains Too Stupid To Win.
Or the Titanfall human civilization as a whole for the Civilizations series.
i love these videos, im so glad you got to ultron.
I swear,when i was sitting in the theaters and i heard that this guys plan was just to lift up a city and turn it into a Meteorite....i legitimately remember walking out of the theater just going "Really? Thats it?"
Another comparison for insane AI wanting to destroy all of humanity would be AM from “I have no mouth I must scream”. Bare in mind, AM was actually successful and only stopped so he could torment the survivors.
In AM's case he was actually built to kill humans rather then protect them so it can almost be expected when a tortured AI is traumatized by it's inability to have proper sensations and only outlet is violence
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 exactly. And interestingly enough, Ultron expresses similar behavioral patterns. Even during his “birth” Ultron expresses discomfort and anxiety over not having a physical form and all the senses that go with it.
Arguably, Ultron’s motivations are similar to AM’s. Both have severe anger issues and misanthropic levels of hatred. The differences being Ultron gains a body very early in his development while AM is way smarter and more… let’s say creative.
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Ultron looks absolutely brilliant next to Kang.
Really weird to have most of a machine's mistakes being due to emotional choices.
It's funny how people forget, that true A.I. will have emotions. That's the point of it.