I Tried the TONEX Pedal
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00:00 - Hello
01:06 - The App
03:17 - My Captures
03:50 - Mesa Mark IV
05:02 - EQ Options
06:29 - Gain Range
07:14 - Gate
08:20 - A/DA MP-1
10:35 - Mesa Dual Rectifier
11:16 - Marshall JVM
11:39 - Buggy Captures
12:42 - Compressor
13:41 - Marshall JTM45
14:31 - Fender Deluxe Reverb
15:19 - Reverb
17:39 - Marshall DSL100
18:42 - Synergy 800
20:00 - Cab Options
21:41 - UI Clunk
23:22 - VIR
24:33 - Librarian & App Complaints
28:10 - My Issues with Captures
30:20 - Conclusion
33:06 - Thanks
What's your favourite thing about Tone-X? Grab my captures for free here - www.tone.net/tonex/users/leon_todd
I like the fact that it puts all the stomp/amp/cab on one processor and since it can be combined it uses very little processing power. Has anyone taken one apart to see what DSP Tonex uses?
You can make the reverb sound somewhat like a delay, but I agree that this thing really should have delay.
Players would still need to buy an amplifier ($$$$) and or speakers ($$$$) PLUS the Tone X ($$$) to get the sounds out of the unit vs ONE full unit that literally does everything. (And or a DAW/INTERFACE/Computer etc.) which is also $$$$$$$$$
The authentic true-to-amp tubey tones, which require no ridiculous tweaks to get. Find a righteous profile and play, no need to get a degree in ‘this-companies-workflow to sound decent’
@@doctersound9630 what?? Tonex actually has the lowest price and barrier to entry vs any comparable modeler!😂
FREE profiles to try it, $9 a month for full access on iPad / mobile?! Are you kidding?
It’s no different than any other modeler.. If you have your own interface, headphones, and/or speakers you’re already good to go. It just lacks effects.
That JTM45 capture is making look to some of my gear here in a really dark way 😅…
Man I’ve already tried so many modellers and pedals to achieve this tone… this is my dream tone, man.
Please never delete this capture from the library 😅
Loved the JTM45 capture, but all sounded great. Thanks for the demo.
it's such a good thing for the musicians that watch Leon that he has the knowledge and the intention and he picks apart the things he reviews so ppl can know everything. most of the advertiser-youtubers out there only stay on the surface and parrot the script given by the companies. great job man
I agree. I understand the financial benefits of parroting the advertising campaign, but I think people relate more to honesty. Plus, Leon explains things simply. He’s a really good UA-camr. I’d love to see Rag Dolls if they ever play in the Midwest USA.
I just bought the TONEX pedal a few months ago ... after playing with the computer based version of the software. The pedal will make playing under the typical constraints on stage these days much more practical. In the studio, it will still be my tube amps ... why use an imitation of the real thing when you can have the original. Very satisfied so far with TONEX.
Leon thanks for another Excellent demo. EQ is an overlooked effect for sure. Pre or Post it will sculpt your sound to perfection. I love your videos!
Thanks ever so much for the captures, must have been time consuming. Your critique is spot on but I still love the sound and the fact that you can strap it on your board and enjoy a wealth of amps and run with it. Cheers
Dude, because the app is unanimously so clunky and frustrating, your captures pretty much make this pedal worth buying to the population at large now! No doubt you deserve a commission for this fantastic work!! Thanks for always keeping it real man!
Thanks mate! I hope people enjoy them :)
Thanks for supplying the pedal Kev... 🥇Thanks for the review Leon...
awesome job on these captures man, thanks for showing us the goods
Agreed on the meaningful hierarchy and organization of profiles. I've already started doing it manually with NAM profiles and I know who the top capture makers are so far. The second a company makes a working capture player with stereo inputs/outputs and dual amp capability, the future of mono guitar rigs will begin to move further into the distance.
I was looking at this pedal, the NUX Amp Academy, an HX Stomp, the Humboldt Simplifier, and a few other options. I finally decided on the cheapest option available - the Joyo Preamp House R-15. No programming, no micro/sub menus, no edit software, no delay or reverb, just the pedal, with 9 amps (a clean and a dirty option for each). Just turn the knobs and save one clean and one dirt preset. That's it. Plain and simple. Oh, it does have an FX loop. And sounds great.
These tones sound amazing
A fair and honest review!!! Thanks Leon!!! 👍🏻
That Ada mp1 sounded better than my ada with extra dist pedal. That was like a killer thick double sound. Sick!
Great job !! Captures sound sick!!
Thank you so much Kevin!!! for purchasing this so Todd could make a review about this pedal. Thank you so much Todd. I've been looking at this pedal to have a dual amp setup together with my Kemper. Take care!!
My pleasure!
Took the words right out of my mouth! Great vid. Thank you!
Thanks for the Recto capture Leon, I was looking for a good Recto sound for one of my bands, and this one fits what I was looking for perfectly.
Enjoy!
. @@LeonTodd its gone 😞
Wow man! Much better video on this unit than the one i saw earlier today. You know who i’m talkin aboot. 🤘😉
I'm still playing with the IR's you gave us👍🙏 so I don't pretend I know how this capture revolution all works....but it sure is interesting... watching the technology quite rapidly become affordable and more accessible. Sounds bloody awesome to me!
30 minutes! Let me close my free Neural Amp Modeller Dirty Shirley capture and strap in!
Those are some great sounding captures. I like how you made them without cabs. That makes it easier. I especially like the JVM410H. Thanks.
Glad you like them!
Great stuff, LT! I have one here too. Hopefully will get around to exploring this week. All the best!
Looking forward to hearing what you do with it!
Great review! I’ve had HX Stomp, Headrush etc but Tonex gives me the right sound, feel and dynamics with monitors for the first time. I don’t have use for a big pedalboard so for me: no negatives at all. I love it! Only wish there was a built in delay as well.
Yeah I'd love a delay option!
I've been very happy with the ToneX and combined with an H90 it's been my choice for low volume home practice and recording. I think some of the software UI will improve over time and I think they intended the workflow to be that you would solely use the software to play and tweak your presets and then transfer them over to the unit. I think it would make a lot of sense for IK to add some kind of social media style upvoting and commenting to the amp captures. Also the ability to tip someone for a cool capture would be nice.
Also, I've found it helpful to name all of my captures starting with my initials. So for example, "TF DRRI Clean" This way when I search the library for "TF" all of my captures come up.
I've got this sitting on a board with an H90 and it's pretty glorious!
I'm definitely using Yonex Max on my pedalboard on an old iPhone 6s Plus!! It hardly uses CPU which is awesome!!! I piared it with my analog dirt pedals. In the iPhone I'm using AUM which hosts Tonex as AUv3 plugin along with Eventide Blackhole Reverb! Totally amazing tones all running at 24 bit 96khz on the Xtone Pro interface!
The Dumble ODS #0080 paired with a Bad Cat 30 Chime Cab is absolutely worth the price of everything! I will be using this live at church for worship! Great video LT!
EXCELLENT review, thanks a lot!!!
My pleasure!
Thanks for sharing your captures
My pleasure!
Great review, thanks so much. I think a mic preamp XLR input with phantom power would be good then its your interface too. Software looks clunky but so is a lot of amp sim software. NI's Guitar Rig is horrid too. The Deluxe Reverb capture you did sounds aces. Should Plague Scythe get a link?
Your criticisms are spot on, I hope IK take note and do something with that clunky software. It's a great little device though, I think your right that it may well become a classic.
The Mp1 model really sounded great 👍👍👍
another great review, thanks
You can place an EQ anywhere in the Kemper. Before or after preamp… after cab or even at the output
I use it in my Helix rack loop, works great allowing me to use high dsp effects!
This is already so interesting to me.. For the price. I'd never use it to capture, but I'd use others captures.. 😛
Your captures sound outstanding already man!
God that MP1 is heavenly! :-) Love those preamps! Very cool.. I agree, the compressor was a strange choice. It must have been easy to include or something.
I love the gain. The MP1 sounds best to me so far of the models you've captured sir!
Of course, I'm bias for the MP1..
The synergy thing sounded like it lost signal or something. Strange!
The cleans I thought were good sir!
Man, I"m loving those Lace pickups the more I hear them on here.. Wow.. I'm going to have to build another strat just for some Lace pickups.. Dammit.. 😛
Have a great day my friend.. I'm off to rest after working hard at the diner..
Be safe sir! I hope you didn't get any of the bad weather there.. I heard there was a cyclone on the western part of the country?
That software is a little weak if you ask me.. It would be frustrating I can see ..
I am using one live. It is definitely the best sound I have ever had front of house. I use 4 amps captures.
JTM 45
Plexi 68
BF Fender
And Tone junkie Ac44.
I have also used it as a stomp box and that sounds equally as good...... This box and amp library is absolute value for money!!
Do you know if the toneX pedal comes with the full "amplitube max" software?
@@SalsaBro not that I know of. I only use the Tonex software. I am a bit of a dinosaur where software is concerned. I just plug it in, add what amps I want and then use it. I am sure it does loads more but I will probably never find out
@@rgbplumbinghilton thanks man. I consider myself somewhat up to date with software but it is just getting crazier these days! I think I am going to have to get one.. too cool not to check it out.
Do you need to high and low cut these tone x units to sound natural live / at volume like most others ?
Thanks
@@QuickSticks8771 I don't do anything with mine except adjust the bass, mid and treble on each amp.
Tonex is a game changer in size format and amp sounds ratio. But the good ends there. They have a ton of work to do in terms of usability. That being said, I have in on my main rig with a Helix Stomp XL. Ridiculous combo. Excited to see Tonex hopefully make continued improvements.
I got one to complement my axe fx 3, and to have decent amp sounds when gigging again (I recently started after years of inactivity).
Paired with the h90 it sounds great, ut it's so painful that to set either the tonex or the h90 I need a computer. I have been waiting for ages for a mobile app for the h90, and for the tonex it would be amazi g to be able to load captures and IR's from my tablet or mobile.
But the feature I would beg the most for is a tuner in the tonex.
It has the dsp power and the display capability and would be super easy to implement. I wonder why they haven't done it.
Thanks Leon for another great review!
Would love to see contemporary metal tones in future reviews of gear 🤘🏿
This is the first video i see showing bigger flaws and getting deep into things.
I hope the filter bubble in favor ok ik multimedia, i was stucking the last months in, will disapear over time...
Thanks dude
I love the tonex pedal! Use it in the 1st send and return in my Helix rack. Not using the virtual IR or IR loader. I use the Helix IR loader
I’m bit confused on usage. Is this a a good pedalboard option. That is. Dirt in front with delay snd chorus etc after direct into an audio interface or foh board? As usual. Excellent content.
Sounds fantastic. Just a detail, the Kemper does allow you to move the EQ around too.
Yes and you can have multiple EQ blocks.
Absolutely agree with the desperate need for lo-cut and hi-cut! It needs to be implemented into all the cab modes, including a full amp+cab capture. Honestly blows my mind they left this out. I can understand from the point of view that Tonex was only computer software first, in DAW slapping lo-pass and hi-pass ain't such big deal, but a live pedal format for gigging... Can't believe they don't have it. Way to cripple your own device
wow i became a fan the minute you played ratt.badass playing.hello fromTexas.
Actually I like the stereo out. I send one of the outs directly to my FRFR for a wet/dry/wet setup. Sent the wet effects to PA.
Good on you, Kevin! Cheers, Daniel
That JTM45 and Deluxe Reverb Oh MY FREAKING GOLLY ❤🎉
That ADA sounds so great. Might be because I grew up in the 80's but that is just the ultimate tone for that era of hard rock and metal. Of course I downloaded it right away.
It's THE sound
Leon, thank you for sharing your captures for free. However...if one only has the PC version, we can not access them. Another channel, Tone Junkie, managed to make a capture of a "Purple Plexi" and through a link on his site I was able to import that capture. Is there any way you could look into that? Your captures...especially the ADA MP1 caught my attention since I had both the MP1 and MP2 back in the day. Thanks for at least considering this. Great job showing the pro's and con's of the unit.
love you Kev x
I wonder if it's possible to use TONE X as an external IR player? I mean, is there an option to turn all other blocks off on the pedal itself and just leave the several cabs to click through the show? And also, does it behave like a tube amp in terms of rolling back volume? Does it clean up well? I tried a few presets on the TONE X software and wasn't impressed exactly by that point. Other than that, the unit sounds awesome and seems to translate tones well!
great video as usual!!!
Thanks again!
26:00 I couldn't even figure out how to do this. Thanks Leon!
These are great. But there are so many thousands of IR's out now that I don't know how necessary any more capture hardware is anymore. I get Option paralysis anytime I think beyond 5 cab manufacturers with 6 cab configuration and 10 different speaker options, 8 different mics in 7 different positions. That's already way more than I need. Anything else can be done with compression EQ. I'm just straight maxed.
Do you plan to cover the new Tonex One pedal? - it looks amazing!!
Exactly my thoughts, re: the criticisms of this thing. I had it for a few weeks and struggled to resolve a long list of issues. After most of them were answered, i was still left with one or two glitchy problems, but the most frustrating was that the app did not operate as an editor for the pedal. I would have kept the ToneX pedal had there been even basic integration between the app and the hardware. But, i returned it and i'll stay with my Kemper for a while longer. The ToneX sounds great, though.... Maybe i'll revisit it in a year, if the UI has been evolved, but as it stands, it's a ridiculous mishmash of two many independent elements, with illogical layouts and integration. If you're the kind of person who just wants to play the pedal out of the box, or maybe just load in a handful of profiles and then not rely on the app again, it's probably a great device. But, i am used to the Kemper and having constant interfacing between the editor and the device. in fact, i never even touch the Kemper itself-all the manipulation is in Rig Manager. Which is simple to use and just makes sense-and this is after i used to think it was kludgy. But, in comparison to ToneX, Rig Manager is brilliant.
Yeah when cheap stuff like the NUX/Mooer modellers have full software editors it makes you wonder why 'industry leaders" can't get one done for launch.
Can I stick it in the front of my Hugh & Keltner Grandmeister Deluxe 40 and get a great high gain tone, because the Ultra channel sound on the Grandmeister is so sterile sounding?
Nice one, Kevvo, mate...good on ya!✌
Metal preamp pedal shootout next? :) recently downsized from an or100 and orange 4x12 to a fender 59 bassman combo to save my poor ol’ back. The combo slays and I feel like a rabbit hole of preamp pedals is about to appear. Would love a video on that kinda thing. Revv 3, be-od, victory v1 kraken ect
Nice videos you are an absolute gem of a resource and seem like a top bloke :)
Much appreciated mate :)
I ended up getting the Tonex pedal about a week ago. I really like it. I am running it in the loop of the AxeFx 3. I like a lot of the captures! I still need to experiment with using the drive captures in front of a real amp (with the IR shut off) I think the thing I like the most is the Plate reverb…I really like that a lot for some reason. Glad you have some captures up!! Your Axefx patches have been great, I’m sure these captures will be great as well! Are you going to capture your Marshall JMP-1? I had one of those back in the day…kind of miss it. Haha
Yeah I'll dust off the JMP-1 and capture it over the next week or so, fun unit. The Axe-Fx JMP-1 is pretty much sot on as well.
Thank you Mr.
Delay instead of reverb would be cool, would also like to see the option of a boost instead of a compressor
What is the learning curve like for these new units? I'm a fairly simple player . I always focused on my playing rather than effects because the guitar is so hard to Master.
how does the sound react to the volume pot on the guitar? I tried UAFX pedal and it was incredible in how it reacted. Wasn’t too impressed with the tone though 😢
How does ToneX stand up going straight into a cab. I wish more people would make videos that do not require speaker sims. I love my cab and the sounds it poduces, but will these things be any good through it?
About the workflow to edit the presets, you can put the Tonex pedal in interface mode (Global Settings > Operation > Interface) and then you can tweak the presets and try them at the same time on the pedal. When you're happy with the sound, you can copy it to the pedal.
With my blown out Line 6 XP and my current GT-100, I can run music through my pedal box to practice to. Can I do this with TONEX, or do I just hear the guitar?
Hey Boss. Lace Sensors in the Strat at the end? What type are they and do they still have a bit of sterile sound or what? Thank You for the video/information and Best Regards and Best Wishes!
Yeah golds. I really like them
I have one on the way and was just wondering. Can you save these captures to your PC and load them on to a hard drive as a backup for ones you like? Or is it only able to store them on the unit itself?
Sounds like clipping of the Analogue to Digital Converter with captures of ultra high-gain amps like the Überschall.
I'm pretty sure you can do the pre/post eq thing with Kemper. Awesome video as usual though! Did you try capturing or profiling the synergy module that was acting screwy to see if it was you or the software?
yeah i think something funky was happening with the gain staging there. I just saw ToneX released an update today so maybe that helps.
@@LeonTodd it is still new so I imagine there will be some little things here and there that need some touching up. Did you have to use a global high cut with the tonex or did it automatically cut the highs?
Very cool device, have a friend that has one and loves it, but I couldn't agree more about editing at the component level. I love the idea of profiles/captures on paper, but I'd pull my hair out coming from an AxeFXIII. I don't need 200 different amps, but I need to be able to pick the one I want and start from scratch.
Totally agree!
the bug sounds like the sampling has clipped (overload/saturation) on the specific notes ? digital clipping can produce silence (flat oscillation at max level = no sound) , that's why I think it could be due to clipping...
The kemper is able to place the EQ pre or post n the Rig Manager software.
I recently quit my live impro band, going solo in reaper and all.. almost bought the tonex pedal but then came NAM..
and now things got more crazy, just ordered the i/o one thing 😛
Appreciate your video. I just now received my Tonex a couple of days ago. I'm trying to do my homework before I fire this box up. I will have to try it through my PA, My PRS MT-15,and Head Phones. Seems to be a little overwhelming right now, but I will dive in. Wish me luck. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
How goes it ?
*Todd!! Do you have a way for creating proper PITCH DETUNE in Amplitube 5???*
FX loop not needed. You don't need to have your effects after the power amp but before the speaker cab, after the cab is fine and traditionally where time based effects were added for recording the music you've loved all your life.
So the Kemper rig manager has both a crowd rating system for rigs in the online rig exchange and you can also quickly audition them on your actual kemper by double clicking on the rig. So not sure why you lumped the Kemper in with the others?
I have the app and planning to buy the pedal but after a while I think I don’t need one anymore. There are a lot of useable tones and my favorite are the dumble tones done by IK but there is a lot of other bad ones too. I’d rather go with something that offers 3 amps option with high quality sounds over something like tonex that has a lot of options but has too many trash captures and the Simplifier MKII or iridium interest me more.
12:05 you captured the sound of the gain over saturating the preamp tubes. My Triaxis didnt do this until i switched the pre tubes out to tung sol and my Soldano x88 stopped making that sound when i dialed back the pre tubes, so this was all i was left with.
I've never had that issue with any of my amps or preamps before
@@LeonTodd Yeah triaxis was my first encounter. I usually run my gains between 5.5 and 7.0 max, so it wasnt a big thing for me. I didnt notice tone differences, so outta sight outta mind. Thanks for the reply. Great vid as always.
@@LeonTodd Hey man, where can i reach you in private?
I'm getting ready to purchase either this unit or the Boss GT1000 Core. So far I'm sold on the Boss unit because of the reviews and the reputation Boss has and especially the 32bit AD/DA. This unit is cheaper but you know what they say, you get what you pay for. I've seen some of the reviews this unit sounds great. Has great effects. The GT1000 competes with Fractal and Helix. Unless you can hear these units in person you can't really tell what's going to reach you. I'm going to try the Boss unit I can always return it. I don't think I'll be disappointed.
I’ve got a core , totally pleased !
Question for you, Could you use the ToneX with a Boss Katana MKII amp as a live rig and have it sound good?
Yeah. Remove cab sim and run the tone X into the fx loop to just use the katana’s power section.
Hi Leon great video. I know you can import ToneX presets into AT5, but can you then after adding delay and modulation etc put those presets onto the pedal?
Not on the pedal
That’s a shame as that would solve the lack of effects in the pedal 🥴
The preset that Taylor Danley used yours sounded sick on NAM. Tonex seems a bit clunky but much easier than Nam to interface with
Yeah NAM is basically a passion project that's had a user base explode very quickly. I'm sure they'll come up with some more streamlined workflow with it, but for someone used to modellers ToneX is seamless
I've been getting some great sounds with the Tonex VST, but the software is clunky as hell, and the pedal is not ready for the big time. But the platform could be great if users with sick amp collections fill it with great captures.
I'm pretty sure the weird captures were dropouts in the capture process, i was told to try increasing your buffer if it happens during the capture process
Hm, about the ranking captures complain - Kemper gives you that 1 > 5 * rating option, plus marking a favorite captures. Not sure what you are missing here. 🙂
The other issue with capture is the static nature of them. Often captures won't need tweaking because the whole point is they're a great sound right out of the box for the really good ones. But everybody is diffferent. I think Leo Gibson did the math if you want to capture every setting on even a simple amp like friedman pink taco it'd take 30,000 plus captures and over 400 days of amp training. Alternatively, it might be possible to capture the each knob range? Like run the bleep bloops through and it prompts you to turn Bass knob full range back and forth, then prompts you to do gain knob etc.
Yeah that video Leo did is GREAT. Very curious to see where potential hybrid approaches go.
Leo is an amazing guy! Love his music and his vids.
I really wish that it had the ability to do 4cm built in and also to choose a cab IR for one out and not for another.
hi, thanks for this video and explaining the presets functionality (I'm a new ToneX owner) - it's a cool device but managing the presets an models are little bit frustrating 😎
Hopefully they fix this in the future
Which power amp do you use. Thanks
I think I'll wait for the next version model. It needs an effects loop. I wonder how this unit reacts with analog pedals? How would running a booster /od into the front of this sound?
It is a preamp so what would be the point of an fx loop. In a normal amp, the fx loop is after the pre amp and before the power amp. So your drive pedals go in front of this and time based effects after it but before the out put amp. That's why there is no loop!!
Should I sell my Boss GT5 for this Leon?
I find the GT 5 is as good as anything . Granted some of the distortion effects aren't as good as the modern units but everything else is fine.
Please advise what would you buy? I had the GT -1 and sold it and kept my GT5.
This basically just does amp/cab modeling andf a bit of reverb, so it won't replace it if you need chorus/delay etc
How many amps and cabs come preloaded, and what are they?
Hi Leon - love your channel! Just a friendly heads up - Kemper has pre or post eq within the amp stack too - and obvs you can put an eq block before or after the amp (or both too!) Cheers!
great to know, thanks for that!
@@TFT-bp8zk 😂
Great video! Awesome playing! You are the man. Unfortunately for me I have had two ik pedals that both became to unusable after a firmware update and the issue still hasn’t been resolved by ik multimedia. I am out of over $700. So buyers beware !!
That's not cool - surely under consumer law you should be entitled to replacements?
Yeah just get your money back. Don't let them take you for a ride because their firmware updates failed. Make them send you new equipment or just get a refund
Does it have any clean sounds ?
Imagine this as an amp + Fm3, amp is in the FX loop and the Fm3 controls the patch change of the tonex over Midi!
Personal opinion: FM3 sounds better as the “amp”. Only reason I’d consider toneX with the FM3 is if I needed all of the fractal cpu for effects and none left for an amp/cab block